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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
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Robellicose
England245 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Got home from school so I actually have the time to post some stuff now. Pardoning an early lynch isn't a good idea if it's for no particular use. This is for one of the same reasons I wouldn't want a black mayor. If we're forced to pardon, or to policy lynch, this early in the game, all it does is give scum another chance to shoot 4 kp into the town, and if we do it on day 2, it give assassins another chance to shoot too. So that's 8-14 KP for only one lynch or no lynch at all. And, in thinking about it, the pardon doesn't seem to have much use at all for town. I wasn't advocating an early lynch - perhaps I should have phrased it differently. I would like the pardoner role to be a confirmed townie along with the mayor. I would not want a wasted pardon. I was merely suggesting that if Marshal really wanted rid of the pardoner role, then there was a way of doing it that wasted the same amount of time without lynching someone who is ideally green. On April 12 2011 08:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: If we could agree on a lynch target for today, one thing we could try to do, is vote in one mayor, and then vote our lynch target in as pardoner. Then the mayor just lynches the "pardoner", who was the original lynch target. This way, we kill the same player and get rid of the decidedly anti-town pardoner at the same time. The fairly large problem with voting our lynch target into the pardoner seat is that any of our lynch targets are hopefully scum. We do NOT want any scum in the leadership positions at all as they will learn the identities of the bodyguards. We need those players as untraceable as possible to protect our mayor. Admittedly, this would not be too horrific if the anti-town pardoner was a suspected assassin but it's still not a good idea to give anyone who's not green or blue the identity of our BGs. Finally before I go to bed (and then to work) I'll post a few of my reads. Bear in mind this is my first TL mafia, as opposed to with friends so I'm not able to employ pretty much any meta  Strong Green read: GMarshal DocH Reasonably Green read: tnked Wiggles chaoser Possibly red read: aidnai redFF TranceStorm Likely Red read: m0nsterchef Blacker than a coal-miners ass at midnight: Protact Merely slightly gray: kita - this one is pure gut. No actual analysis behind this call, everyone feel free to disregard it. Something's just whispering assassin to me. hopefully once I read more of your posts I can either confirm this or forget about it. The rest of you, I've either not looked at your posts enough or I'm unsure about what your aims and thus your alignments are. EDIT: Was purely to add bold tags to the original post. The extremely close time between edit and OP should identify that. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:27 Kavdragon wrote: Kenpachi Kenpachi has ten posts, non of which say anything, all but two are not even related to the game. This looks like scum to me, but Kenpachi looks like scum ususally. I know others have good meta on him, so I'd like to hear from you. He's not putting any effort into looking like town, and he's not acting like a frustrated townie. Based on what I know, he's following his usual town play. Useless. (That's not even being harsh. Take a look at his posts.) ilovejonn Ilovejonn has only five posts, one of which is somewhat informative: This one post is town oriented. Yes, I disagree with his voting protact, but he brings new reasons for it, and they are protown reasons. Not much to make a read off of, but I would say that he looks town. good meta on kenpachi lolololololol i am of the firm opinion that kenpachi is so uniquely bad at mafia that attempting to analyse him is absolutely worthless. I don't even read his posts tbh i skip over them completely he could have been talking about how I am an asshole and like to wear panties and i wouldn't even know only in a desperate lategame situation will i attempt to analyse anything he writes | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:40 GMarshal wrote: I'm thinking our troll here might be a good lynch, other than him ON and Monster seem to have drawn enough attention as lurkers to make me suspect them, especially the Monster ninja vote. It won't be someone who is going to be modkilled though, I'll leave them to die by the banhammer I disagree with lynching serejai, yes he did derail the thread a bit, but consider this. On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote: Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt? On April 12 2011 08:20 kevconsim wrote: But now we know that if he doesnt die he could be mafia. -.- On April 12 2011 08:23 kevconsim wrote: hes never played before... He said that... Why would you lynch someone who has a role. We will know if he is mafia after tonight. 3 contentless/slightly idiotic posts where he tries to keep attention on the thread derailing troll. Let's have a look at a few more posts of kevconsim On April 11 2011 14:08 kevconsim wrote: has Trancestorm posted? I guess i missed it if your posting anaylsis ill be looking forward to reading it. Regarding the mayor race On April 10 2011 14:11 kevconsim wrote: I think that Gmarshal should be mayor and protact should be pardoner if he is willing to help us. I will put my vote up later when we determine how we want to vote. On April 11 2011 07:49 kevconsim wrote: I think i have decided that the safe bet is too put gmarshal in their. ##Vote Gmarshal for mayor There were his 2 posts before he voted Gmarshal. Finally On April 10 2011 09:33 kevconsim wrote: honestly i only post when i have something to say... On April 11 2011 11:12 kevconsim wrote: ty wiggles Fos KEvconsim | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:49 jaminz wrote: ##Vote Doctor Helevetica who are you and why are you voting Dr.H RedFF, this must mean Dr.H is scum right? I mean its an unjustified vote! | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: HEY GMARSHAL I LIKE YOUR EARLIER PLAN OF LYNCHING THE PARDONER ASAP WHAT DO U THINK If it helps town go for it, I dont fear death, as long as its in the benefit of the town. Only scum are afraid to die. I don't fear death, I fear a fruitless death. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:54 GMarshal wrote: If it helps town go for it, I dont fear death, as long as its in the benefit of the town. Only scum are afraid to die. I don't fear death, I fear a fruitless death. no im still lynching kavdragon | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
We do NOT want any scum in the leadership positions at all as they will learn the identities of the bodyguards. I forgot about the BGs -_- . The point of this though, would be to lynch the pardoner NOW, right as the mayor is elected, so we wouldn't have to deal with him. Ideally, we would have a pro-town player as the pardoner, who would probably never use the pardoning ability. However, if we vote someone who could be scum in, that's not very good for town at all. Thus, my proposal that we could potentially just kill the pardoner Day 1, by voting in an agreed lynch. Honestly, I can't think of any situation where we'd really want to pardon somebody. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:53 GMarshal wrote: From the voting thread who are you and why are you voting Dr.H RedFF, this must mean Dr.H is scum right? I mean its an unjustified vote! It's one vote that has not been explained, as opposed to the 5 or so you had on you at one point, that i am more inclined to think that it is just that person being a newbie. I don't really have any other reasons to suspect DrH as scum right now, while at the time i posted that list of unexplained votes i had a lot of good reasons to suspect you as being scum. | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
##Unvote: Jackal58 ##Vote: GMarshal My reasoning: I still haven't dissected everything that happened after the Day 1 post as thoroughly as I would like, but a lot of what I'm basing this vote on is stuff from Insane 2. In insane 2, you might remember 2 things. 1: I was mafia. 2: GMarshal was nightkilled night 1. These 2 things are not coincidences. GMarshal, from the very beginning of insane, was putting pressure on everyone. As a scared little newbie mafia, I wanted to hide behind Coag's town read of me and not post anything, but GMarshal was one of the guys that would find the lurkers and put the spotlight on them. He would put hypotheticals out here and there, and direct them at someone that wasn't talking a lot. It felt like he was breathing down my neck the entire time. And his analysis was good. GMarshal strikes me as the kind of mayor that will be a real problem for mafia, and that is the kind of person I want to have a few meatshields and a little extra sway in this game. I've seen nothing that leads me to believe he is anything but green, and I am currently uncomfortable with Doctor Helvetica's crazy style (although for what it's worth I have a green read on him as well), and since DrH seems like GMarshal's only real competitor in the race, my vote goes to GMarshal. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On April 12 2011 07:32 Rean wrote: Placeholder vote on DrH On April 11 2011 17:26 The_Roist wrote: As for my vote, I feel DoctorHelvetica has the towniest position regarding our claimed ninja and how best to use him in the towns' favor. ## vote DoctorHelvetica along with that entirely unjustified vote, truly these are masterpieces of reason and logic. My question stands FF, why were votes like this suspicious for me, and not suspicious for Dr.H... | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: When are the bodyguards revealed to public office? I forgot about the BGs -_- . The point of this though, would be to lynch the pardoner NOW, right as the mayor is elected, so we wouldn't have to deal with him. Ideally, we would have a pro-town player as the pardoner, who would probably never use the pardoning ability. However, if we vote someone who could be scum in, that's not very good for town at all. Thus, my proposal that we could potentially just kill the pardoner Day 1, by voting in an agreed lynch. Honestly, I can't think of any situation where we'd really want to pardon somebody. It's kind of a truce thing. If mafia starts killing off bodyguards then I know either A) Pardoner is scum or B) One of the bodyguards is scum and makes scumhunting considerably easier for me. Vice-versa for the pardoner as well. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On April 12 2011 08:52 redFF wrote: I disagree with lynching serejai, yes he did derail the thread a bit, but consider this. 3 contentless/slightly idiotic posts where he tries to keep attention on the thread derailing troll. Let's have a look at a few more posts of kevconsim Regarding the mayor race There were his 2 posts before he voted Gmarshal. Finally Fos KEvconsim Wow. You really are red FFS | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On April 12 2011 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It's kind of a truce thing. If mafia starts killing off bodyguards then I know either A) Pardoner is scum or B) One of the bodyguards is scum and makes scumhunting considerably easier for me. Vice-versa for the pardoner as well. First of all, the bodyguards cannot be scum as they are drawn from random townies. Second of all, the danger of the mafia knowing who the bodyguards is not the threat to the bodyguards themselves and the elected officials, but rather are through the fact the mafia knows what people are investigative blues (watcher/detective/tracker) and therefore narrows down their search. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On April 12 2011 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It's kind of a truce thing. If mafia starts killing off bodyguards then I know either A) Pardoner is scum or B) One of the bodyguards is scum and makes scumhunting considerably easier for me. Vice-versa for the pardoner as well. I had thought bodyguards could not be scum considering they are "random townies". I also believe they do not know each others identities. Might need some clarification on this though. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 12 2011 09:14 kitaman27 wrote: I had thought bodyguards could not be scum considering they are "random townies". I also believe they do not know each others identities. Might need some clarification on this though. Oh, there used to be a mechanic where mafia could sub in a bodyguard. That makes life considerably easier for me then. | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
DrH, the only problem I have with you being mayor is that you're guaranteeing us no accountability. The "I do what I want" attitude as mayor won't help us win the game. Sure, you dodge the influence of the mafia, but that also means you're relying solely on yourself to win the game... Might switch my vote to GMarshal, though I'm tempted to just be a non-vote by staying off the two candidates. Don't know who he is, so I'd rather take my chances with him as a mafia mayor than DrH as a mafia mayor. Let's see though ^^ | ||
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