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redFF
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Coagulation
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On April 11 2011 10:22 redFF wrote: Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now. On April 11 2011 08:42 redFF wrote: Oh yeah that just happened throwing it out there right now I THINK GMARSHALL IS SCUM, as well as a number of his voters including M0nsterChef, Kevconsim and Original name, although everyone in my first gmarshall vote count post is officially fos by me WAT? | ||
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Coagulation
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DoctorHelvetica
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redFF
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On April 11 2011 10:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: hey can we talk about how DTA voted for Pandain and never posted in this thread? he posted earlier saying it was just a placeholder for his real vote. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On April 11 2011 10:11 redFF wrote: He posted earlier that it was just a placeholder. And there is a bandwagon in GM and since you have been real aggresive for a while maybe people just don't like you. That said, if i could have it my way i would probably have you mayor and protact pardoner, but i only have one vote and see no reason to change it right now. I don't like him and I'm probably going to vote for him. It doesn't matter if people "like" him or not. All that matters is that town wins. Who is going to give town the best shot at that is how you should vote Not if you like him or not. Within a day or two if I'm not dead I'll probably piss off half of you myself. I don't care. I'll do whatever it takes to win. I didn't play Sim City as a kid. I had a stick to play with. | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
GMarshal is playing exactly how he was last game (how I've interpretted it, at least) and as such, I see no reason to move my vote. Kav is definitely playing differently from last game and I quite enjoy it. On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote: I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? I suggest you post in the thread as well, especially since you've said very little all game. I'm sorry, Protact, but as town, I cannot fully trust you in a position of power. Is that reasonable? I really hated Pandain's roleclaim earlier, even though it was fake. I don't know if it's his meta or if he does this often, but I cannot say I can fully trust him either, especially not in a position of essentially ultimate power. I'm a big fan of LAL, but I don't know his playstyle well enough yet. On April 11 2011 08:21 DarthThienAn wrote: Also, gonna placeholder for now, so that I don't get modkilled by accident - doesn't look like Pandain is anywhere near to winning, so I'll put a vote on him. I fail to see why you wouldn't at least vote for someone who you want to win. On April 11 2011 08:35 redFF wrote: So far we have a lot of votes for gmarshall, many by people who haven't given reasons or contributed to the thread. Lanaia + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2011 13:59 Lanaia wrote: Exactly this. Sorry, I'll be posting more tomorrow, the boyfriend and I are watching a movie. I will be voting for GMarshal, for the record. If the assassin is mafia, why does he need protection exactly? Is it just from vigs? Elaborate on why you are voting please, don't just say you are voting gmarshall I am voting him because he is one of the highest four town reads I have at the moment. I feel he would be an asset as mayor, especially because he is town. If I'm completely off on my reads, I apologise. If needed, I will list my reads. On April 11 2011 09:41 kevconsim wrote: ^? That is the best post I have ever seen. This is just terrible: On April 11 2011 09:45 Serejai wrote: Hi guys, my name is Serejai. I don't really know how to play this game but I think I'm supposed to post about my experience making towns or something? So here goes. When I was a kid I used to play Sim City quite a lot. I was only like seven or eight so I made some mistakes, but overall I did really well managing my cities (until I summoned aliens or godzilla to destroy them lol). Sometimes I think I let pollution get a tad out of hand, but it was pretty hard to balance industrial demand and pollution together so I just stuck the industrial areas in a corner surrounded by a ton of trees. When I got a few years older, this game called Sim Town came out where you actually manage your own town and individual houses and shops. I was really good at this game in my opinion. It was a bit easier than Sim City because it was meant for younger kids, but I don't feel that detracts from my qualifications any. I'm also really good with legos and I have a lego train and a bunch of lego city buildings. I dunno which sets exactly, but I built a lego town on my coffee table and I think I did pretty well (until my cat walks over it haha). So I think I'm pretty good at town games and stuff. Um, I'm also supposed to vote for someone I think? So... ##Vote GMarshal I think he has the most votes so he's probably a veteran or something I guess (I don't really understand what I'm voting for but the thread says I have to...). The other guy with a lot of votes... Prostatetractor or whatever said he's an assassin... I don't think that's a good thing to vote for is it? If it is I may change my vote (if I can do that) but it sounds like he's just going to kill people or something. Also I'm sorry for the late post, I'm not inactive so please don't ban me or anything. I've just had a busy day... had to plant flowers outside and cut some tree limbs. Have you at least read HOW to play mafia? I can't even tell if you're trolling us or not. I really don't understand you. Bud, I really recommend you go read a guide or something or the stickies in this forum. That is a terrible reason to vote someone. Don't vote someone just because everyone else is. On April 11 2011 10:30 redFF wrote: Yeah i was just referring to the post directly above the one i quoted but yeah that was dumb, i realised it soon after posting, hoped nobody would notice T-T There is no chance that ANYONE would not notice that. You know that. Sorry, I can't remember if we're allowed to spoiler things here for ease of reading. | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
On April 11 2011 10:43 Lanaia wrote: GMarshal is playing exactly how he was last game (how I've interpretted it, at least) and as such, I see no reason to move my vote. I should explain this in greater detail. I was in a town circle with GM last game, so he was kinda town last game and he's reading the same way to me this game (though it's obviously a bit different because we're not in a circle this time so I don't know for sure). | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On April 11 2011 10:26 GMarshal wrote: This vote makes me unhappy, I dont want sheep in the town, you dont send out sheep to fight wolves, you send out other wolves. So please kenpachi, can you justify your vote in some way other that "I is sheep" ? Also while we are at it, do you have any major scum reads at this point? don't be a sheep, be a wolf ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/QcFkQ.jpg) The last time I heard someone say that they ended up getting a sniper bullet through their head | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On April 11 2011 08:57 GMarshal wrote: Ignoring the running for mayor for a minute (as our main goal *is* killing scum, remember?) I wrote up a nice little PbP on one of my current scum suspects Mr.Wiggles. Each post is in spoilers and my comments are in bold as usual + Show Spoiler + Don't worry too much, this shouldn't be as active as insane, because, well, Insane was Insane. Hopefully people won't spam that much in this game, and I'd even like to put in a request that people try to limit their posting unless they have something relevant/meaningful to add to the conversation. People who just quote others, and say "I agree", or repeat the same things as others have already brought up, are perfect examples of "contributing without contributing", and that's a scum-tell. You know this is a great way to "contribute without contributing" you state a commonly known scum tell and say no spam please... well, duh. Still I can put this off as directing new players A new player asked about activity, and I reassured him that insane was a total spam-fest and while on the topic asked that people try not to post excessively unless they have something new or relevant to add. I'm trying to follow my own advice this game as well. + Show Spoiler + Well this isn't technically night because no one takes actions. That said, there isn't much to talk about because we can't start mayoral campaigns. This means we're limited to mostly talking about general strategy and trying to establish a town policy, like no spam/try to contribute and add to the conversation, and other guidelines we'd like to put into place. Rehash of basic ideas, check! People were fighting over whether we should talk Night 0. Night zero isn't really a night phase because of the reasons I stated, so it was silly to be fighting over whether we should talk during it or not, when we could basically use it as a 24-hour extension to Day 1 to get some of the basic and boring discussion out of the way. + Show Spoiler + Well if you're posting your own thoughts, then that's meaningful AND relevant, haha. But 9000 posts of cats in top hats and monocles wouldn't be. And saying "I agree" after every post isn't really contributing. If you want to agree with someone, at least add your own thought process as to why, and give some kind of explanation. That way you can look for mafia trying to make stuff up too. Spam is bad! No duh, but then again people were posting this kind of nonsense all night 0 so its not indicative Someone took offense when I asked to not post a ton unless you want to add to the conversation because newer players wouldn't post their ideas and opinions. I told him that as long as they're posting their own thoughts, I would consider that both meaningful and relevant. Even already, we're seeing people who aren't adding their own thoughts and are just hiding behind other people. If you feel the need to post without adding anything, well then don't be surprised when people peg you as scum. + Show Spoiler + My thoughts on inactives: Don't lynch inactives, lynch lurkers. I guess it depends on your definition of inactive, but inactive for me, is someone who's not even playing the game, and has little to no posts. For me, the better choice is to pressure lurkers, who come in and post a couple times, then disappear. I think these are the people we should really be afraid of. They're a lot more dangerous, because by maintaining only a slight activity threshold to appease the town, they're easily able to hide amongst the masses. So personally, I'd rather lynch the guy who comes in twice a cycle to post a couple sentences, than Johnny-No-Posts who's not even playing the game. Lurkers want to hide behind a minimum of activity, inactives aren't even playing. (<--- My Take) I'm going to watch for people acting like that. well this *looks* like a contribution, but its a repost of an argument that town agrees on since time immemorial, its like posting "you should build drones" in response to "how do I macro better?" People get all hot over lynching inactives. I think lynching inactives is a dumb idea. Inactives are just as likely to be bored town not playing than scum. A much better idea is to look for people who post a lot, and then disappear. They're not going to get modkilled, but they're still hiding. It's also funny, because you call my opinion here contributing without contributing, but later when you yourself are debating if you won the mayorship if you should lynch inactives or not, I tell you the exact same thing but with more explanation, and you give me "townie points" for it. + Show Spoiler + Also, I think mafia would be more prone to trying to manipulate the town, whereas assassins would probably leave town be while focusing on finding the other assassins. So if you have two players kind've the same, but one is trying to manipulate the lynches and the other isn't, then you can differentiate them. an actual point! Yay! ok, nothing more to see here Posting when I can add something relevant + Show Spoiler + As others have said, I think voting a black in is lose-lose. There's no guarantee he'll do anything to really help us, and then we lose our mayor/pardoner. something I agree with, fair enough Also, as far as medicing him goes, I think we can just drop the discussion on that until Day 2. Assassins can't do anything night one, so unless mafia wants to hit him, there's no need to waste a medic on him. If he still wants to negotiate for kills later, then we can do that when he's actually in a position to kill. However, just to add to that quickly, he's actually useless to town if he's not mayor/pardoner, because if he says he's hitting a town chosen target, mafia can just RB him, because he's outed himself publicly. So, we don't want him in office, and he can't help us out of office. again a really valid point, I have exactly one objection to it, the fact that after concluding that he is useless out of office he still talks about negotiating with the assassin, its an interesting contradiction It wasn't my idea to negotiate for medic protection with him, and I mention this before I conclude he's useless to town out of office. Most of my posts are somewhat stream of consciousness, if I think of something while writing, I just add it. I don't go back and delete what I've written, because this gives my post more transparency and shows my entire thought process. At the time, others thought we should negotiate medic protection in exchange for kills/check, and I said we could do that later if we needed to, on Day 2. I then concluded though, that when we reach that point, he's not going to be much use to us anyways, because he'll just get RBed. I don't see the contradiction here, unless you're reading my post backwards. So, overall, I don't think he can help town much, besides giving all the other assassins a non-town target for night 2. Right now, I'm most comfortable picking either GMarshal or Dr.H for mayor. I've gotten the strongest town reads from them, and they've both shown they're not afraid of trying to look for scum and lead town in the right direction. Yay! ^ My thoughts. + Show Spoiler + Don't hit the most inactive, that's stupid. The most inactive is likely not even playing the game, or they're just going to get Modkilled. If we want to do a policy lynch on activity, do it on a lurker. You call a lurker someone contributing without contributing, but with the amount of newer players in the game, that might not be the best deciding factor for day 1. I'd say lynch someone who was really active earlier in the game, like pregame, or night 0, and who has completely disappeared with only a minimum of posts by the end of day 1. This is a decent point, +1 townie point for it kind sir This is the same thing I said earlier which you said was contributing without contributing. You contradicted yourself here. + Show Spoiler + How am I lurking? I'm just not rehashing the exact same points as everyone else over and over again. I was going to bring up some of the reasons I thought a black mayor wouldn't be optimal, but they were already raised by others, so instead of just repeating what's already been said three times I mentioned that protac isn't going to be useful to us at all if he doesn't get elected, so we shouldn't waste medics on him, just leave him for the other assassins to use hits on, keeping them off of town Alright this is a fair defense of my "lurking" accusation, however in his previous posts he made exactly one good point, that being about the assassin I've thought of good points concurrently with others, so if someone posts it before me, it behooves me to not just repeat the exact same argument for pride's sake. This is me following my "don't excessively post unless I have something meaningful, new, or relevant to add" guideline. + Show Spoiler + And now that I think of it, there's other assassin, who may or may not be using their KP on the same night, on different or similar targets. So, there's no way to tell if mafia used all four hits or not. Meaning, it's easy for red to use one of their KPs as the "assassin" KP. I do believe this was already mentioned, neutral read on this post As far as I know, no one had mentioned that we're not going to be able to tell who's hitting who exactly starting Night 2. Assassin's may or may not hit. Throw in veterans, medics, and roleblocks, and it's going to be very murky if someone was hit by an assassin or by the mafia. Meaning, that if he were red, we wouldn't probably be able to tell by the kills. + Show Spoiler + The assassins are going to turn into the Item Game of Insane 2.... I was scum that game, so what I did, was try to keep everyone focused on the item game and away from actual analysis. I see the same thing starting to happen now, where town is going to latch onto the assassin game and get too distracted from everything else when it should be a non-issue... this is a very, very good point and one I agree with, +1 townie point for him Again, I think we should ignore the assassin game after Day 1, and only deal with it if it becomes necessary to do so. If we do elect protac, then I don't see this happening very easily. Anyways, Why giving out both the names of the bodyguards is not a very good idea: At their core, the bodyguard and pardoner are supposed to be very powerful roles that we would like to get a hold of and use for the benefit of the town. When used correctly, these roles seem like they'd be more than capable of wreaking havoc on the mafia and bringing town victory. yeah, we know this, this is kind of filler It's meant to give a basis and introduction to the rest of my post, stressing the importance of a strong player using mayor for the benefit of town. If no mafia are elected into office, and they are not confident that they can sway the mayor easily, the best course of action for the reds is to kill the mayor/pardoner. In order to do so, they must first kill the two bodyguards. These bodyguards are unrevealed to the town and mafia, so first mafia need to find them as well. again, I think this is obvious Continuing from my logical premise that the mayor is a powerful role. Now, you, Pandain, want to reveal the bodyguards to everyone. Why? To ostensibly put trackers on them in order to catch any assassins/mafia who want to take a shot at the mayor. However, doing this is cringe-worthy to say the least. So why wouldn't it work out? Mafia have four KP, and there are supposedly two other assassins. This means, that if there are no medics, that mafia can kill the two bodyguards as well as the mayor and pardoner in one fell swoop. So, what we'd achieve, is the entire public office dead, traded at the cost of one mafia revealed. The only way to counteract that, would be if we now, IN ADDITION to our trackers, put medic protection on the bodyguards as well. So, you're asking us to focus all of our blue power on two people. But then we just get into a WIFOM spiral where we need to decide to protect either the bodyguards to the detriment of all other pro-town players or other players to the detriment of our bodyguards and mayor/pardoner. This is an actual good point +1 town point And this is the conclusion I draw from my premises. If I just typed this, it would be somewhat baseless. This is 1+1=2. 2 might seem all exciting, but you need the other side of the equation to give a starting point for my conclusions. This is just how I reason, take my post as a whole. In my opinion, this becomes too convoluted to even work with, when compared to keeping the bodyguards known only to the mayor/pardoner. In other words, a bad idea. + Show Spoiler + Forgot assassin. I'd be willing to let him in as pardoner, but not mayor. Dr.H/protac interesting, Wiggles said "I thought a black mayor wouldn't be optimal" but now he is ok with a black pardoner... it is noteworthy, and if kav's theory that Pro is actualy red holds true then very, very revealing Black mayor is bad in my eyes. However, after seeing the arguments in the thread, and protac's own defense of his candidacy, I think that it wouldn't be the worst thing to have him as the pardoner. That said, I listed my choices in order of preference. I only control one vote, so these are just my opinions, I can't pick two people, so if the rest of town wants the assassin, I'd rather he's the pardoner than the mayor. + Show Spoiler + No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote. What are your thoughts on the current situation? Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? Why don't you like the other candidates? same questions I ask, after I asked them... slightly scummy, but it could be down to simultaneous posts Exactly that, you ninja! :p I'm not sure how it's scummy though, the same thing has happened many times in this thread already. Conclusion: Lurking he adds a total of two new ideas by my count and his best post is the one focused on not exposing the bgs, I'm having a hard time labeling him as anything. Hence I suggest we all keep an eye on him and make him post more, I'm leaning slightly more towards scum than town atm, but I need more to analyze There's my defense, for your benefit. | ||
GMarshal
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kevconsim
United States317 Posts
Just wondering who is red? im guessing its red but i just want to make sure before i over think. | ||
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kevconsim
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On April 11 2011 11:04 kevconsim wrote: Just wondering who is red? im guessing its red but i just want to make sure before i over think. My original posts are normal, I made GMarshal's red, and then my responses are in bold. Sorry for not mentioning. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote: ... List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin list
tnkted mig kitaman Kavdragon Wiggles Darmousseh Dropbear Robellicose Coagulation ... Kav, you're being retarded. Dr.H/Protact scum team is over the top. Also, quit posting town guides and general advice. There's already Ver's guide, and you need to play this game. So far your only stance is your quite unbelievable dr.h Protact read. eiii... On April 11 2011 09:23 Eiii wrote: Well, after catching up with the thread I'm pretty sure I've fallen in love with drh <3 Anyway I feel really good about GM being mayor, he's certainly green in my eyes. What surprises me is that kita hasn't gotten any mayoral attention-- his posts have nearly all been on the mark, and though I was thinking he could be black for a while, taking such a strong stand against prot makes him green to me. I'm voting kita. ##Vote kitaman27 This is exceptionally poor reasoning. If kita was black, that would force him to be anti-protact, how could his stance possibly indicate to you that he is not black? at best, it is neutral. Protact... I believe you said that your vig shots will be used for town purposes, but also that you will choose your own targets. Is this accurate? Also, you seem to underestimate kitaman, in my opinion. At this point I am still willing to support protact for pardoner. I'm willing to support DrH on the basis that I believe him to be town. I'm not willing to support kitaman, pandain or gmarshal. I didn't forget you chaoser, I just don't have an opinion yet. ^^wiggles, the only thing that's harder to read than PBPA is a PBPROA (post-by-post-rebuttal-of-analysis) -_- | ||
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MetalFace
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 Anyways, I think it's important to look at how people have reacted to the Protactinium Campaign. Ideally we want a townie as mayor. Worst case scenario is mafia get mayor. I'd say a third party getting mayor falls in between these two. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing who is who. So, for a second, let's just assume he is, in fact, an assassin. People who want him in think that he would benefit their faction more than the opposing. So let's see how an assassin mayor would actually affect the game. Pretty much, the big power of the mayor is the first day lynch and the subsequent triple vote count. Who, then, is he likely to kill? His kill priorities, as I see it, are as follows: A) Other assassins B) Mafia C) Townies Why? Well, A is obvious. He wants to win, and needs to kill the other assassins. B and C, though, are tricky. The mayor can only die in one of 2 ways: the bodyguards are eliminated and then the mayor is vulnerable to night attacks, OR, the mayor is lynched. The bodyguards will presumably remain anonymous, so that Protactinium can protect himself. Therefore, it is unlikely they will be quickly expended.* Protactinium's biggest concern, then, is the town lynching him. Townies hold a majority vote, and if Protactinium doesn't act in a clearly pro-town way, then he will be lynched. Essentially, if he doesn't act pro-town he will lose. Thus, an assassin mayor would benefit the town and hurt the mafia, and would be supported by townies and attacked by scum in the election. *A situation may occur where assassins may try to kill off the bodyguards in an attempt to make Protactinium vulnerable. This is in my mind unlikely, because an assassin would have to waste kills. To be honest though, I am not entirely sure how this would affect the game as a whole. It is for this reason that I am still thinking about who to vote for. Also, remember that an assassin mayor is not ideal; a townie mayor is. Hopefully a townie can sweet talk the rest of us to voting him in, but with all the idiotic spamming and name calling going on, it's awful tough to trust anyone right now. I gotta think about this more... | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote: This thread blew up way too fast. So much spam to sift through... Anyways, I think it's important to look at how people have reacted to the Protactinium Campaign. Ideally we want a townie as mayor. Worst case scenario is mafia get mayor. I'd say a third party getting mayor falls in between these two. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing who is who. So, for a second, let's just assume he is, in fact, an assassin. People who want him in think that he would benefit their faction more than the opposing. So let's see how an assassin mayor would actually affect the game. Pretty much, the big power of the mayor is the first day lynch and the subsequent triple vote count. Who, then, is he likely to kill? His kill priorities, as I see it, are as follows: A) Other assassins B) Mafia C) Townies Why? Well, A is obvious. He wants to win, and needs to kill the other assassins. B and C, though, are tricky. The mayor can only die in one of 2 ways: the bodyguards are eliminated and then the mayor is vulnerable to night attacks, OR, the mayor is lynched. The bodyguards will presumably remain anonymous, so that Protactinium can protect himself. Therefore, it is unlikely they will be quickly expended.* Protactinium's biggest concern, then, is the town lynching him. Townies hold a majority vote, and if Protactinium doesn't act in a clearly pro-town way, then he will be lynched. Essentially, if he doesn't act pro-town he will lose. Thus, an assassin mayor would benefit the town and hurt the mafia, and would be supported by townies and attacked by scum in the election. *A situation may occur where assassins may try to kill off the bodyguards in an attempt to make Protactinium vulnerable. This is in my mind unlikely, because an assassin would have to waste kills. To be honest though, I am not entirely sure how this would affect the game as a whole. It is for this reason that I am still thinking about who to vote for. Also, remember that an assassin mayor is not ideal; a townie mayor is. Hopefully a townie can sweet talk the rest of us to voting him in, but with all the idiotic spamming and name calling going on, it's awful tough to trust anyone right now. I gotta think about this more... this post in 2 sentences: blablabla stuff other people already said. also i am too scared to make a decision so im gonna stall. | ||
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