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ilovejonn
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Rean
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Rean
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DoctorHelvetica
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Assassins probably have a good black read on him by now. It's worth a shot. If he survives the night then we just lynch him. | ||
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chaoser
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If the mafia or assassins choose to hit the same target as you, and they manage to kill them, they'll reach that target first (again, banhammers are heavy as shit), and you will retain the use of your banhammer. If they both hit the same target, vigis get their hit back. Might as well stack it cause if assassins hit we lose nothing. If we hit, heyo! | ||
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Qatol
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DoctorHelvetica
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On April 16 2011 07:20 chaoser wrote: If they both hit the same target, vigis get their hit back. Might as well stack it cause if assassins hit we lose nothing. If we hit, heyo! Good idea. Yeah vigi's hit LSB then. | ||
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chaoser
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On April 13 2011 16:02 aidnai wrote: Good god, I was trying to analyze coag's posts this game but when I searched for them I had to go past like 500 posts from insane 2 wtf?! coag, you are truly amazing... so he doesn't do it...ok + Show Spoiler + At Protact: my intial reaction is skepticism, I'm trying to think through if it's worth it for us to lynch coag anyway. Lynch coag, if he's red, we medic protact? We have time to figure this one out at least. drawn out which mafia? you've put out coag, he hasn't flipped yet, but having read his posts myself he was not high on my suspect list. Also, 'mix it up a bit' sounds retarded. You coulda won the mayor campaign easily with zero claims, most townies were complaining about how stupid all the other campaigns were and EVEN AFTER CLAIMING BLACK you came in an easy 3rd place... It's definitely suspicious that IF you are an assassin, this is your only viable play today. Even more so that there wasn't actually a good reason to claim assassin in the first place as a DT. I think that, as you said yourself, you got assassin, didn't like the role, and tried to make the best of the situation. IN ANY CASE, I'm not going to let this prevent scumhunting at least for the sake of our vigilantes. i.e. even if we lynch coag, the remaining vigis might have something to go on. Yeah, ignore protact, he dies tonight, if he flips blue *unlikely*, then we lynch coag. Coag, I don't really see why you claimed, but ok. nobody is saying FW is a mafia wtf? He's really an assassin, using the last trick up his sleeve. as for thinking critically, I'd ask you, if protact was in fact black, what are his possible plays today? you pointed out correctly (I believe) that his chances are slim with this play, but I still don't think there's any better play for him? logically, it seems to me the MOST LIKELY explanation for protact claiming black day 1 is that he was in fact black. I'll grant it's possible that it was all a ploy to draw out scum (btw this would be easier to believe if you posted your list protact). IF PROTACT IS BLACK, what else could we expect out of him today? roll over and die? the guy obviously wants to have fun and make a splash, why not go out in style right? Very VERY insistent that prot is black and doesn't even consider that he might be blue. + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2011 18:17 aidnai wrote: hmm... lots of people missing from this conversation. I'm gonna give it a rest and see what's up tomorrow. SCUMMY LURKER LIST latrommi Milkyst <- 1 post + 1 vote lol jaminz serejai rean none of these players are interacting with the game in any meaningful way. Scared of imba scumtells much? depending on activity levels as today progresses, we might get a nice vig shot on one of these, I'm thinking milkyst. His only post proves he's been reading the thread (look at bolded part), but all he can say is he wants to lynch redFF because he's a 'little bit suspicious'. 1 post and 1 vote per day keeps the modkill away right? goodnight everybody. On April 14 2011 06:31 aidnai wrote: Thanks for the recap? lol let's move on instead of making huge posts regurgitating everything. scum points for wiggles. On April 14 2011 07:36 aidnai wrote: The big problem with this debate is 1) likely scenario is protact = assassin, coag = vet 2) mafia don't really care about who we kill here 3) debating this is therefore mostly a waste of time. Best course of action is let protact die tonight, decide about a coag lynch based on the flip (or vig him pretty please  Therefore it's time to post my lynch candidate: Rean. This is where it gets juicy again: a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST. Thanks for making it easy Rean Important points to remember: 1) Rean's attitude towards protact and coag proves that he is mafia 2) Rean's attitude towards his activity level and his responses to criticism indicate he is mafia 3) Rean's lack of contribution and mudslinging just put the nail in the coffin. Lynch Red. Lynch Rean. Look how quickly and persistent he is in wanting to move off the Coag v Flamewheel debate, throwing out anything in hopes that it will stick. In particular I want to focus on his case against Rean where he makes his main point against Rean by trying to discredit Rean's accusation that GMarshal and Coag are red. That is where he pushes the strongest. Well we all know how Gmarshal and Coag flipped. FoS Aidnai, we should keep an eye on him. (Spent like the last hour doing this lol. If he's mafia, he's good, most subtle one so far) | ||
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chaoser
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On April 15 2011 11:02 bumatlarge wrote: ##unvote ##vote Gmarshal On April 15 2011 11:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Gmarshal On April 15 2011 11:03 chaoser wrote: ##Vote Gmarshal Like a BOSS | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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The Case of LSB There are already many many analysis' of OriginalName and why he is scum. I will be focusing on how the scumminess continues as LSB replaced ON. On April 14 2011 04:38 LSB wrote: Night 1 ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/GWc7b.jpg) Click me for larger size! I'm inclined to believe the fourth case, that Flamewheel is SK and realized after loosing the election he has to do something drastic to try to throw off the other SKs. As the same time though, I'd assume that SKs would have DT checked Flamewheel night 1 so it doesn't really matter in the first place. Note SK=Ninja/Assassin as it's easier to write. And because I didn't read the OP carefully enough before I made the picture This is his first immediate attempt to discredit Flamewheel. He also doesn't have a clear understanding of the rules but thats a WIFOM speculation. That's inconclusive information. On April 14 2011 04:49 LSB wrote: Correction! ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/78a7C.jpg) Lynch Flamewheel! It's a win win! The situation we are looking at is probably situation two. Flamewheel is Mafia, Coagulation is Town Why is this believable? Remember, Flamewheel is still alive today. This must mean that the SKs didn't shoot him. After all, the SKs have a large incentive to shoot Flamewheel, if they succeed they get their banhammer back. This is explained by Flamewheel posting that there are three ninjas. Sks didn't believe him so they didn't shoot him. But now why is he making these wild statements? Because he is mafia. Consider Flamewheels options if he really was DT. Day1, he wants to be mayor. Would you claim DT or Assassin? Obviously you'd claim DT. Although it might get you roleblocked, being an Assassin will also get your roleblocked. Day2, if he actually was DT and got a red check, would he publically claim in thread that he was DT? No! If he does so he's going to be hit night 3 and roleblocked. Instead he should just do the standard do lots and lots of analysis on Coagulation. Now think if he is mafia. Day1: How would he run for mayor? He doesn't have the 'name' that Gmarshal and Doc has because he is smurfing and the players here are relativity new. So he puts together a really convoluted claim. Day2: He knows his time is short so he tries his best to cause chaos before he is dead. TLDR: Flamewheel is not playing like a DT and therefore isn't one ##Vote: Flamewheel Here is his case to vote Flamewheel. This is all reliant on pretty bad analysis and a misunderstanding of the rules. When his entire case falls apart on the basis that "SK's can't use powers N1" he continues on. What does this mean? This mean LSB started with a goal or conclusion which is to get Flamewheel killed and looked for information to support it. This is the opposite manner in which town try to do analysis. Town analysis is starting with a hunch or information and coming to a conclusion which in turn becomes a goal. On April 14 2011 04:50 LSB wrote: Oh. That would explain alot if Flamewheel is black. Flamewheel needs to get medic protection any way possible, so he does analysis on someone and tries to find a red. Changing his case instantly without very much elaboration. The goal here is to get Flamewheel killed. He wants to lynch the assassin. This ONLY benefits LSB if LSB is: scum or assassin. On April 14 2011 05:04 LSB wrote: lol. Since when has Coagulation done analysis? Lynch Flamewheel. I don't see any benefit in keeping him alive "Coagulation isn't good so keep him alive and lynch flamewheel. There is no benefit in keeping him alive." Think about that last sentence and how markedly anti-town it is. The goal of this game is not for us to kill people that offer no benefit, it is to kill mafia players. Flamewheel is clearly not blue. We know this because he does not play like a DT. This is true for two reasons. 1) He claimed assassin instead of DT day 1. Either role will be roleblocked as mafia, and as DT he should have tried to stay away from the spotlight, instead of claimming a role that will results in three hits on him night 2 2) He claimed DT day 2 instead of simple analysis to push Coag. There is a reason why DTs don't publically claim day 2. Because the momement a DT claims, they will be roleblocked/night hit until they are dead. This means Flamewheel must be red or black. Lynch him On April 14 2011 05:11 LSB wrote: Uhh... it's like trying to get Doc H to lynch a red, or Bill Murray to show respect, or Jackal to explain his actions. It's not happening. Wtf is up with the analysis on Coagulation anyways? From what I've read Coagulation is red because 1) Going against the campaign of a claimed black 2) Trying to not get someone he believes is green not lynched 3) And being his normal spammy and unhelpful Offers nothing here. Discredits me immediately, insulting the fact that I mislynched on Day 1 (as most mayors and the huge majority of towns do on Day 1 in mafia games), and then proceeds to offer a very very very poor defense of FW's Coag case. He completely disregards the possibility that FW could actually be the DT. Which at this time seems very likely. On April 14 2011 09:11 LSB wrote: Just wondering, why do you think he is blue? Imagine if you were the Detective. Would you claim? No, you would push coagulation's lynch in the background instead of outing yourself. In addition, why do you think Coagulation is red? Look through his other games, Coagulation has been playing consistent. However. I'm going to go with Kitaman27 here. Let Protactinium live, don't protect him, and kill him if he is still alive day 3 Who are you talking about? Sorry I don't keep up with times He changes his position to what it seems the town is doing. On April 14 2011 09:22 LSB wrote: I'll Split Aidnai's analysis of Rean into two portions, the first I agree with, the second I don't. I removed all the fluff. In the future, please remove all the fluff from your Point by Point analysis, I don't want to wade through lots of spam + Show Spoiler + Stuff I don't agree with On April 11 2011 08:21 Rean wrote: yeah right you're gonna kill mafia while they actually help you by possibly killing a asassin, giving up your night-actions in the progress YEAAAAAAAAAAH, right, you're gonna ignore your own win conditions because you're such a nice person keep trying, you're pretty amusing. One of the quickest and most dismissive responses to protact. Doesn't mean he's scum yet, but in combo with his later acceptance of protact is completely damning. On April 12 2011 07:32 Rean wrote: Placeholder vote on DrH right now, seems to be the best candidate although i'd ask to tone down thew aggresiveness a bit. As for who to lynch: Pandain seems to be a safe bet, his fakeclaim DT is completely retarded and even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him. THIS POST IS IMPORTANT! "even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him." Absolutely a scumtell. Especially since, seeing the night kills, we know mafia believed the claim more than the retraction. Townies facepalmed or ridiculed pandain, they didn't call for his lynch. On April 11 2011 19:20 Rean wrote: I'm starting to think that the third assasin not Prot or Eiii is laughing his ass off. Both his adversary's have been revealed and with Prot's campaign failing, he has this in the bag, A good thing for town aswell, the quicker these assasins gtfo out of the game the less chance they accidentally kill a townie. not-so-subtley suggesting that eiii is assassin, which I think was unfounded (but maybe not it's not important to my case). On April 12 2011 08:15 Rean wrote: Meapak says it's okay to pm the host: [01:14] <+Meapak> FUCK [01:14] <+Meapak> redff [01:14] <+Meapak> dude [01:14] <+Meapak> I'm at 1499 posts [01:14] <+Meapak> I can't post  [01:14] <+GGQ> i keep accidentally missing my milestone posts [01:14] <+Meapak> just tell him that he can PM the hosts Apparently he's in irc with GGQ zzz... On April 12 2011 23:06 Rean wrote: I'm trying out this new scum strategy: lurk really hardcore and only respond every once every 8 or so hours with meaningless posts, while simultaniously posting a ton in another mafia thread, so i can avoid any suspicion. If anyone accuses me: ignore it. Is it working? Responds to a legitimate point by blowing it off and trolling. 1) His response time shows he's actively reading this thread (responded within 10 minutes) 2) His thread presence in Insane 2 shows his 'normal' activity level 3) His thread presence in this game shows??? and yet all he does for the next several posts is claim mafia -_- Why would a mafia do this? well, the main reason I think would be to be able to ask 'why would a mafia do this?' while at the same time COMPLETELY DODGING THE QUESTION. This game is definitely not boring, there's no excuse for his activity level. Still I don't see it as being too damming. They are just little things, like lynching for information, throwing out FOS. Trying to get people to protect FW doesn't mean that he's necessarily scum. Of course, if FW flips red Rean is going to be in hot water, but Rean's support for FW is based on the fact that FW is a vet. I have a neutral read on Rean, however I'd rather lynch Rean over Coagulation. Defends Rean. Doesn't go out of his way to seem like he's really defending "I have a neutral read" he says. Why go through the effort of dissecting a PBP for a neutral read? Indirect defense of Coagulation here. On April 14 2011 10:47 LSB wrote: Can we lynch Flamewheel now? What happened to letting him live? On April 15 2011 06:58 LSB wrote: Cause Coag is a vet, and I'd rather lynch a Assassin over a vet. Assuredness here. Coag IS a vet. That's scum confidence I'll just leave it at that to avoid a tl;dr situation. Vig hit LSB tonight. | ||
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chaoser
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![[image loading]](http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/7276979/I-WAS-FOSING-LSB-WAY-BEFORE-D-HELVETICA-THOUGHT-IT-WAS-COOL-TO-DO-SO.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Hipster-Ariel) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204956¤tpage=112#2224 | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On April 16 2011 08:05 chaoser wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204956¤tpage=112#2224 FoS is too mainstream for me sorry | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On April 16 2011 08:26 Rean wrote: can someone point me out to where we started believing flamewheel to be the dt? people keep saying it but he even claimed coag to be red when he was the godfather Oh, I just forgot that detail when I said that. no need to medic FW in that case. | ||
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chaoser
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On April 16 2011 08:50 Rean wrote: Just one point: if LSB is scum, why is he so insanely burned on getting flamewheel lynched when there's so much easier targets out there? That's the main problem I have with the LSB = scum theory. I'll go make a analysis on both (for real this time lol) on both (lsb/on), but in the perspective of trying to let it make sense to you he's the assassin. Because if FW is lynched and flips black (which mafia thought was true since Coag is GF and FW couldn't have checked him to be red) then Coag can claim that it was a fake check and get away scott free | ||
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Rean
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On April 16 2011 09:02 chaoser wrote: Because if FW is lynched and flips black (which mafia thought was true since Coag is GF and FW couldn't have checked him to be red) then Coag can claim that it was a fake check and get away scott free But why would town ever choose to lynch someone who claimed both assassin and DT? There was no chance FW flipped mafia, that'd be incredibly insane bussing and a very long shot at best. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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If scum think they can split the town between GMarshal's plan and LSB's plan they save Coag either way and none of them die. | ||
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AirbladeOrange
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On April 16 2011 09:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It makes perfect sense as an opportunity to save coag. If scum think they can split the town between GMarshal's plan and LSB's plan they save Coag either way and none of them die. Right, and Coag is more important because he is the Godfather. | ||
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