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United States22154 Posts
On April 15 2011 11:22 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:16 GMarshal wrote:
Because apparently I need to spell it out. These are principles that transcend this game. There are certain ways the town has to play to play well. There are reasons for LaL, and all my other policies, this isn't about the pardon being anti-town or not. This is about teaching you fools how town should play. If I have to die to prove the point that you are being stupid and playing badly then so be it.
At least I will have played correctly.
Sometimes its about more than just winning. How hypocritical! To you its all about winning. Pardoning is anti-town. That's a principle. Yet you're willing to break it. The reasons for LAL are usually bad. Just look at how you played in XXXVII. And now you decide you're the one who has the moral authority to teach town how to play? Lol. Although I guess since you're mafia I can accept this more as a "I want to win" rather than actual advice. Please try not to pass it off that way though. You'll give people the wrong impression.
You will *not* talk to me about principle. Not you.
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On April 15 2011 11:23 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:22 Protactinium wrote:On April 15 2011 11:16 GMarshal wrote:
Because apparently I need to spell it out. These are principles that transcend this game. There are certain ways the town has to play to play well. There are reasons for LaL, and all my other policies, this isn't about the pardon being anti-town or not. This is about teaching you fools how town should play. If I have to die to prove the point that you are being stupid and playing badly then so be it.
At least I will have played correctly.
Sometimes its about more than just winning. How hypocritical! To you its all about winning. Pardoning is anti-town. That's a principle. Yet you're willing to break it. The reasons for LAL are usually bad. Just look at how you played in XXXVII. And now you decide you're the one who has the moral authority to teach town how to play? Lol. Although I guess since you're mafia I can accept this more as a "I want to win" rather than actual advice. Please try not to pass it off that way though. You'll give people the wrong impression. Wait, so what is your most recent claim? Vannila town?
Naw. DT yo.
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On April 15 2011 11:16 GMarshal wrote:
Because apparently I need to spell it out. These are principles that transcend this game. There are certain ways the town has to play to play well. There are reasons for LaL, and all my other policies, this isn't about the pardon being anti-town or not. This is about teaching you fools how town should play. If I have to die to prove the point that you are being stupid and playing badly then so be it.
At least I will have played like an absolute dumbass
Sometimes its about more than just winning.
I fixed that for you.
If you can't see that doing the one thing you said you would never do compromises your principles more than allowing town to be stupid you really are dense.
Fucking Democrats.
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On April 15 2011 11:21 GMarshal wrote:No, the thought didn't even cross my mind. I am not stupid, there are reasons behind what I am doing
Jury is still out on that man.
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Bumatlarge what point are you trying to make regarding the rolecounts?
On April 15 2011 10:01 bumatlarge wrote:
For people confused on why it would be rare to have more then 2 of a blue role
1-14. Town
15-22. Mafia
23-26. Assasin (assuming Protact is right about 4)
27. Vet
28. Vet
29. Tracker
30. Tracker
31. Vig
32. Vig
33. Watcher
34. Watcher
35. DT
36. DT
37. Medic
38. Medic
39. Nosy Neighbor
40. Nosy Neighbor
This makes sense.
This doesn't solve anything.
This is from TL MAFIA XXII:
On May 01 2010 15:49 flamewheel wrote:
Mafia:
d3_crescentia, iNfuNdiBuLuM, Scaramanga, Bill Murray (Godfather, Townie), Elemenope Incognito, Osmoses, madnessman
Blue Roles:
Detectives: Ace, Radfield
Medics: KF91, [NyC]HoBbes, motbob
Vigilante: krndandaman
Mad Hatter: Foolishness
Veterans: Zona BrownBear, Scamp, meeple
Assassins:
tree.hugger, RebirthOfLeGenD, AcrossFiveJulys, jpak
Millers:
CynanMachae, RaGe, Caller, BloodyC0bbler
Townies:
Falcynn, Jugan, Fishball, Abenson, Fulgrim Korynne, JadeFist, Roffles, nbtnbt5, IntoTheWow, love1another, nAi.PrOtOsS, DarthThienAn
Out of 38 players we have 12 normal townies. A large number of blues is perfectly feasible, Mafia won this game. We don't know the rolecounts and it's wrong to suggest we do. I don't buy any of the roleclaims so far.
Flamewheel, my commentary of your post is in red:
On April 15 2011 04:54 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 18:22 DropBear wrote:
This is interesting. All your analysis of him was based on day 1.
Did you see Coagulations defense on day 2? As I already stated, it was desperate and obviously scummy. He gets accused and defends himself. If defending yourself from being Mafia makes you Mafia then I'm surprised there are any townies in the game at all.Show nested quote +You could be very right and Coag and Marsh could be scum but I trust you about as far as I could throw you. If you would like to critique the analysis, by all means do so. Don't shrug off my analysis just because you don't trust me. Read my analysis, and see if it makes sense. If it makes sense, then vote Coagulation. This has nothing to do with trusting me. It has to do with whether or not the analysis is good. If you are town, dismissing my analysis by attacking my credibility is a bad move. Your analysis shows to me that he fought against you to the end. That looks like a panicking black to me.Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 19:31 DropBear wrote:Also Flamewheel, it seems to me that a key point in your case against GMarshal and your case against Coag are at odds. On April 14 2011 12:56 Protactinium wrote:
Think about GMarshal's overall profile. What is he trying to do? From day 1, notice how he does not express support for any candidate other than himself. Why? It seems that every other candidate was expressing who they wanted in office and why. It is extremely important for town to pick good elected officials. Yet GMarshal did nothing of the sort, and didn't say who he wanted to win election, besides himself. Yet he had no trouble in saying who he thought shouldn't be elected. It's obvious he has an agenda here. He doesn't care who gets in, as long as he is one of the winners. Look at the suspicious votes GMarshal gets. There are countless lurkers and inactives who vote GMarshal without explaining why. And as you recall, GMarshal was the first one out the gate, and managed to obtain a sizable lead early on in the race, while everyone else was stuck at less than 4 votes. At one point in time, GMarshal's 11 votes outnumbered all the other candidates combined. This is not a coincidence. As I've said before, mafia candidates are never uncompetitive in a mayoral election. Having the 20% of the total voting power, mafia always tend to get an early lead and maintain it. Why is this? Because of town tendencies to bandwagon, it is very advantageous to get an early lead, as you are likely to attract votes of newer/inexperienced/uninterested townies who feel safe voting for a big name player who leads the vote count. GMarshal's early lead suggests mafia interference. But that's not all. Look at the thread activity during day 1. There are plenty of people who are unsure of electing DH or me on day 1, but almost all GMarshal's voters are unmoving. There was plenty of room to sway votes among the DH/Protact crowd, but GMarshal's voters were alarmingly loyal.
All the people not voting Marsh for mayor debated in the thread. On April 14 2011 12:14 Protactinium wrote:On April 14 2011 11:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
coagulation is not a power player I can't see any mafia faking a DT claim to save a lynch on coagulation. that's pretty desperate play especially considering how much dissent there already is to the lynch:
and the fact that mafia has no reason to try to get protactinium lynched/killed if they believe he is the assassin (unlike the reasons they would have to keep him out of office) Incorrect. Coagulation is a key player for the mafia. It's not that he's a good player, it's that mafia have already committed to saving him. Look back at the thread. Ever since my Coagulation accusation, mafia have been trying to subtly redirect the lynch. Notice how people are "not convinced" that Coagulation is mafia, try to suggest that we let me die tonight to "prove" that Coagulation is innocent, and try to suggest other targets. Yet notice the divergence in the voting thread. The voting is overwhelmingly in favor of lynching Coagulation, yet the debate in the thread diverges sharply. This is not an accident. Notice how nobody was doing any real analysis before I popped up and accused Coagulation. Mafia felt no need to fear when they thought I was as good as dead. But when I post a strong analysis, they reacted. They reacted not by refuting my points, but by flooding the thread with alternative accusations trying to derail the lynch. Why? They don't know who to push. They know the Coagulation analysis is a strong one, so they need to offer a target that town will readily buy. They're trying to test the waters and see what lynch works. All the people not voting for Coag to be lynched debated in the thread. You really are desperate to find cases if your cases are conflicting. HOWEVER this point, although you've shown it accidentally, shows that something is amiss here. We have two seemingly different, very rapidly formed bandwagons. Which names are on both wagons? - Robellicose, who has done little but repeat himself and sheep. - Serejai, who has done little but troll. - Kenpachi, who has been extremely quiet and made a bizarre sheep post. I am interested in these three names. The discrepancy you point out is not a discrepancy at all. There was debate on DH/my candidacy because mafia were spreading doubt. There is debate on the Coag lynch because mafia need to split up the vote in order to save Coag. Makes total sense here. There was debate on DocH's candicacy because he accused half the people in the game, stirred up an incredible amount of shit and proceeded to lynch someone who was highly regarded. There was debate on your candidacy because you were claiming a third party role. There is debate on the Coag lynch because of the stupid number of roleclaims that are going out, because noone was suspicious of him before your post and because noone trusts you.Show nested quote +
The combination of his being on both bandwagons, his bizarre posting and the subtle differences between this game and his Insane 2 town posting are why you should ##Vote Kenpachi
Being on both bandwagons is not indicative of him being mafia. In fact, it proves just the opposite - he is actually a town bandwagoner. Your massive lynch Coag bandwagon is actually a pro-Flamewheel bandwagon. Your massive pro-town moves are pro-Flamewheel moves. You keep saying you are pro-town but if you are why are you going after someone that several people had a black read on yesterday? What happened to your big crusade against OriginalName/LSB? Show nested quote +Gmarshal: 13
DoctorHelvetica
Lanaia
Robellicose
Coagulation
OriginalName
Mig
AirbladeOrange
M0nsterChef
kevconsim
darmousseh
Kenpachi
Serejai
Barundar
Lemonwalrus
Kavdragon
GMarshal
tnkted
Latrommi Show nested quote +Coagulation: 10
Protactinium
DoctorHelvetica
kevconsim
chaoser
urashimakt
Rean
Mig
bumatlarge
DarthThienAn
Serejai
Robellicose
Kenpachi Notice how only 3 of the names are on both lists. This means that a majority of the GMarshal voters do not agree with the Coagulation lynch. If you look at GMarshal's strong defense (not a direct defense, but a credibility attack by me) of Coagulation, it makes sense. GMarshal and Coag have the same alignment. The people who are on both bandwagons are likely bored townies who don't want to spend time analyzing and are just voting the bandwagon. Mafia are definitely not jumping onto this bandwagon because there is way too much opposition to the lynch. Kenpachi may have some slight posting differences. But Coagulation has huge posting differences. Its day and night. Look over his previous games to see for yourself. Kenpachi is 99% town. Please reconsider your vote and vote Coagulation. I'm suggesting Mafia DID jump onto the bandwagon. All these votes came in after you called him out and before we had the big rebuttals from LSB, Wiggles and others. Also, why are you so sure Kenpachi is green? You admit to the posting differences yourself.
You have been dominating the game from the get-go. Everything has revolved around you, spin it how you want it's true. You've been herding all the new players at your whim. You're just a massive bully and I'm not interested in anything you say anymore.
You want a read from me on Coag? I think he's ASSASSIN, just like you do. He is black, you are black and you should both be left to die tonight.
AS FOR KENPACHI
These bandwagons are suspicious to me. Everyone is pointing out how Kenpachi is just a bad player and we should ignore him. Isn't that a perfect cover to go under the radar?
WHO WOULD ANYONE EVER DO ANALYSIS ON KENPACHI?
WHY WOULD WE EVER SUSPECT KENPACHI?
WHY WOULD WE EVER WANT TO LYNCH KENPACHI?
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I don't know what the FUCK you guys think you're doing, but this is NOT pro-town play. It's day 2, people. A misslynch is not the end of the world.
Here's what I think: I think that you guys were afraid coag is getting lynched anyway, that he'll flip red, and that GM will go down next, so you decided to prolong the agony of town a bit more.
If coag is not red, then fine, he dropped to a stupid Assassin claim. It happens. It's not his fault. However, you are not SURE of that, and the way you're acting right now (GM) is the scummiest I've ever seen you act ever. I don't care if you think it's the right move, you KNOW that what you're doing is causing CHAOS, and you're still doing it.
I'm sorry man, you gotta swing in the wind tonight!
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On April 15 2011 10:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 10:43 Lemonwalrus wrote:On April 15 2011 10:42 Jackal58 wrote:On April 15 2011 10:38 Lemonwalrus wrote:
If that is cheating, please modkill them, if you believe I have cheated in revealing this, modkill me. Only Proact is in the game. Non issue. No one is allowed to PM. This is 3 people communicating outside of the game. I believe that this is cheating. I won't play in a game where 3 vets are allowed to share an account. What an overwhelming advantage.
This is a known issue and is under control. Focus on the game and let BrownBear, Meapak, and myself work on this, please.
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United States4714 Posts
What a clusterfuck this has turned into. I really beg you GM do not go through with this retarded martyr. If you are really town/dt you are forcing the town to lynch their most powerful player just to try and make a point.
If you pardon coag you will 100% of the time get lynched next and even if you flip town we don't learn anything about coag other than you were suicidal and so he probably still gets lynched. Also you have mentioned LAL several times how about when you repeatedly said you would never use the pardon for any reason just like 12 hours ago?
At this point I guess there is no choice but to lynch you but if you flip dt I am going to be fucking pissed. You would have let whatever ridiculous principles you think you have have completely sabotage and destroy the town.
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On April 15 2011 11:23 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:22 Protactinium wrote:On April 15 2011 11:16 GMarshal wrote:
Because apparently I need to spell it out. These are principles that transcend this game. There are certain ways the town has to play to play well. There are reasons for LaL, and all my other policies, this isn't about the pardon being anti-town or not. This is about teaching you fools how town should play. If I have to die to prove the point that you are being stupid and playing badly then so be it.
At least I will have played correctly.
Sometimes its about more than just winning. How hypocritical! To you its all about winning. Pardoning is anti-town. That's a principle. Yet you're willing to break it. The reasons for LAL are usually bad. Just look at how you played in XXXVII. And now you decide you're the one who has the moral authority to teach town how to play? Lol. Although I guess since you're mafia I can accept this more as a "I want to win" rather than actual advice. Please try not to pass it off that way though. You'll give people the wrong impression. You will *not* talk to me about principle. Not you.
Ugh get off your high horse please.
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On April 15 2011 11:36 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 10:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 10:43 Lemonwalrus wrote:On April 15 2011 10:42 Jackal58 wrote:On April 15 2011 10:38 Lemonwalrus wrote:
If that is cheating, please modkill them, if you believe I have cheated in revealing this, modkill me. Only Proact is in the game. Non issue. No one is allowed to PM. This is 3 people communicating outside of the game. I believe that this is cheating. I won't play in a game where 3 vets are allowed to share an account. What an overwhelming advantage. This is a known issue and is under control. Focus on the game and let BrownBear, Meapak, and myself work on this, please.
I, for one, find this hilarious. I'd love to hear the backstory behind this one later 
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On April 15 2011 11:44 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:36 Qatol wrote:On April 15 2011 10:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 10:43 Lemonwalrus wrote:On April 15 2011 10:42 Jackal58 wrote:On April 15 2011 10:38 Lemonwalrus wrote:
If that is cheating, please modkill them, if you believe I have cheated in revealing this, modkill me. Only Proact is in the game. Non issue. No one is allowed to PM. This is 3 people communicating outside of the game. I believe that this is cheating. I won't play in a game where 3 vets are allowed to share an account. What an overwhelming advantage. This is a known issue and is under control. Focus on the game and let BrownBear, Meapak, and myself work on this, please. I, for one, find this hilarious. I'd love to hear the backstory behind this one later
I'll explain after the game o.0
It's actually quite simple.
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I should've never layed off Kavdragon in Insane Mafia 2.
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On April 15 2011 11:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:23 GMarshal wrote:On April 15 2011 11:22 Protactinium wrote:On April 15 2011 11:16 GMarshal wrote:
Because apparently I need to spell it out. These are principles that transcend this game. There are certain ways the town has to play to play well. There are reasons for LaL, and all my other policies, this isn't about the pardon being anti-town or not. This is about teaching you fools how town should play. If I have to die to prove the point that you are being stupid and playing badly then so be it.
At least I will have played correctly.
Sometimes its about more than just winning. How hypocritical! To you its all about winning. Pardoning is anti-town. That's a principle. Yet you're willing to break it. The reasons for LAL are usually bad. Just look at how you played in XXXVII. And now you decide you're the one who has the moral authority to teach town how to play? Lol. Although I guess since you're mafia I can accept this more as a "I want to win" rather than actual advice. Please try not to pass it off that way though. You'll give people the wrong impression. You will *not* talk to me about principle. Not you. Ugh get off your high horse please.
Everyone please calm down.
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On April 15 2011 11:44 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:44 bumatlarge wrote:On April 15 2011 11:36 Qatol wrote:On April 15 2011 10:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 10:43 Lemonwalrus wrote:On April 15 2011 10:42 Jackal58 wrote:On April 15 2011 10:38 Lemonwalrus wrote:
If that is cheating, please modkill them, if you believe I have cheated in revealing this, modkill me. Only Proact is in the game. Non issue. No one is allowed to PM. This is 3 people communicating outside of the game. I believe that this is cheating. I won't play in a game where 3 vets are allowed to share an account. What an overwhelming advantage. This is a known issue and is under control. Focus on the game and let BrownBear, Meapak, and myself work on this, please. I, for one, find this hilarious. I'd love to hear the backstory behind this one later I'll explain after the game o.0 It's actually quite simple.
Iv been getting drilled by 3 mafia vets on one account. Sounds pretty simple.
Im also extremely amused that all 3 of you committed to all those lies.
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#Vote Coagulation
Although I really think LSB might be sum with his rather anti town plan.
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On April 15 2011 11:51 M0nsterChef wrote:
#Vote Coagulation
Although I really think LSB might be sum with his rather anti town plan.
Man and you guys say im playing scummy?
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EVeryone is so mad, besides me, yea, go me!
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On April 15 2011 11:55 kevconsim wrote:EVeryone is so mad, besides me, yea, go me!
Only scum would be happy with this situation :p
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Marshal you are on my scum team as well. Your sheep have jumped onto Coag as soon as the accusation came out.
Noone seems to be listening to me at all. I am happy to change my Kenpachi vote to you if I can't convince anyone otherwise.
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... Fuck you
and i mean that in a loving tone.
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