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As such, I don't have access to irc during the day, and reading logs will take for ever and analysing them will require more time to format properly. This makes it harder for me to play... Not to mention I would most likely not be able to join the irc chat often. Not to mention how cluttered the thread will look once the logs are posted... I guess if everyone else wants one I don't mind... Just don't call me scum if I donKt participate in it very much. | ||
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On March 13 2011 03:11 LSB wrote: Blue Police Force- This is the pro town mason circle. In a world full of reds and blacks, the greens need some help, and help comes in the form of the big guns. Of course, the police can’t actually kill people, but they have their own way of helping. People need to read the OP... blue has 0 KP, and 0 KP roles (or that's how I read this). Meaning, they are either all DTs, Medics, or some other kind of random NON-killing role. So would the blues give up non-violent roles... then yes, unless they are obscenely strong... | ||
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As my first and only act as major, I would random.org a player and they would be killed. /joke (had to since everyone is trying to run) To me, the only available choices for major are... bum and some random person from the item game. Personally, I would rather have bum in as our major... simply because well, a blue in a major already has 4 confirmed non-scum. As well, the blues can coordinate their powers. So if blues have two medics, they won't protect the same people... So we don't end up with a "medics from 1-10 protect X, medics from 11-20 protect Y, medics from 21-30 protect Z" which just isn't that great. But with bum he can go "medics protect X" and then the blue medics can protect Y and Z and we gurantee (as long as there is a green medic) that we spread out our protects... instead of having 3 medics in players 1-10 and ya... just how I think about it. Item game is good and all, I guess... but well, its only a mater of time until the people in the item game are dead... and we can always just use DTs on item game people first to kill the black and red in item game early... | ||
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On March 25 2011 09:27 annul wrote: this is true, but understand that without giving mayor to a green in item game, we are conceding item game outright. No we aren't... mafia DO NOT want to shoot into item game. mafia cannot win item game without lynching black first. This means, that black will probably shoot into item game. Meaning until the 3rd part dies in item game, it will take at least 4 night phases for black to win item game. If we only have 1 DT, and the DT checks players in item game then... night 1: black kills someone in item game, DT checks someone in item game day 1: if DT found black, DT can reveal the black and get the black killed, if not, keeps mouth shut. night 2: black kills osmeone in item game, DT checks someone else in item game day 2: etc... until Black is found, if we have multiple DTs looking... then town wins item game. - - - - Basically: If we DT check item game -> town wins item game If mafia shoots into item game -> Black wins item game Mafia are more scared of black than town, therefore town wins item game... | ||
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I don't close my browser on my laptop or on my phone. | ||
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Q: Who gets the items? A: SURVIVING ITEM GAME PLAYERS So say black gets the items... well guess what, we can lynch that black player the next day, and they get 0 items, all gone. Item game is ONLY useful for town, IF the town player then doesn't die right after winning... So ya, item game is NOT useful for anyone but town, as if anyone but town wins, we just kill that player and all items are lost. | ||
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 . I'm calling it now. Want to just get this here from posterity sake, then we can move on till I can "I told you so" the town. | ||
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He's very quiet, he normally isn't. Every game I've played with him, he hasn't player like this, and every game he has been town. Its the same as how I accused Brocket in XXXV. And then I did the same thing to DCLXVI in Pokemafia. Both times being right. Didn't play long enough in Death Factory to actually find any mafia... so then this is my 4th game total, and this is my prediction based on his past play, and how he is playing now. | ||
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On March 26 2011 09:10 CubEdIn wrote: 1. Insanious: you'll need to give us more reasons. Mostly because of what happened in Death Factory. You were sure about kenpachi but he wasn't mafia, so you know, you may be wrong now as well. And even if you're not, you can't just say that, you need to convince town. If you ARE wrong they you might get yourself killed as well and lose two townies (assuming no red would stick their neck out to kill a random townie). FAIL reasoning... In death factory, I KNEW 1 in 4 of the players near me (darmousseh, OriginalName, kitaman27, or kenpachi) were maffia... 1 of them was 100% mafia. darmousseh CONFIRMED that 3 of 4 of those were NOT mafia. As such, kenpachi HAD to be mafia. This was NOT a feeling, this was due to game mechanics. We would of killed the mafia 100% if ON wasn't the godfather and as such immune to DT checks. This IS NOT the same thing. There is a big difference then "one of these 4 people are mafia, and 3 of them are confirmed town" and "This player is playing drastically different then any other time he has played the game when he was town." | ||
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On March 26 2011 09:41 Kenpachi wrote: WEll DF Mafia is a bad example Cube. Although i sorta hold a grudge on Insanious, i wont kill him over that one game. The reason why its a bad example though, is because he read is role wrong and was convinced i would flip red The reason I killed you, was because ON was godfather, so he didn't show up mafia when darmousseh checked him. I would NOT have killed you, if darmousseh did NOT clear ON. Its a bad example, since 3 of 4 players were cleared... and you were left. But one of the cleared players was really mafia. In this, no one is cleared since there is no role like darmousseh or my own from death factory (i assume) | ||
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BrownBear is playing drastically different then a normal game, and as such I am calling SCUM. Since I have only played with him when he is town, and when I played with him he talked a lot. In this game, he isn't talking, therefore not playing the same as town, therefore not town. He is black or red. | ||
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On March 26 2011 09:53 tnkted wrote: or blue? Perhaps? And again, I'm just waiting for bum to say that he has a list of who he'd like confirmed handy (don't post it yet bum!) before I reveal what my plan is. I've played with BrownBear when he was a blue... as blue is town... and he is much more talkative. I am saying he is not playing how he usually does when he is pro-town. | ||
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We are currently 48 hours into the game, and BrownBear, usually a vocal member of the town, has posted only a handful of times... this is very strange to me. Really, in mafia games you only have a few ways to find scum: 1) A scum slip. Actual slip, where someone says something that directly proves they are scum. ALMOST NEVER HAPPENS. Scum are VERY careful when posting, so 99/100 you will NOT find a scum who straight up accidentally says they are scum. 2) Scummy trends. A player who constantly posts in a way that directs the town's attention somewhere else. Where they mislead the town, and get greens killed. 3) Metagame. A player plays in one way, and in this game plays differently. What changed? Their role. - - - - - It is BAD scum hunting to ignore how a player usually plays. Yes, extraneous circumstances do happen... but you also have to look at what else might be happening. Personally, I think he is lurking, he is scum... and people defending him now, are simply allowing him to lurk without speaking up. | ||
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On March 26 2011 10:20 CubEdIn wrote: I agree, but you're judging all of this when less than 1 game day went by. You really can't point out someone for inactivity when it's been so little. I agree that lurkers should be outed, and I agree that he should speak. I don't agree that he should be day 1 lynch though. I once almost got mod-killed for not posting during the entire of day 1, and I was town, so I know it can happen. I've done it in almost every game i've played in, and have been right every time... | ||
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I also play on .Org, and they don' kill new players before day 2 simply because it doesn't foster a good environment for them, and they don't usually come back... at least giving them a taste gives them a chance to play more. Although, if Trackster isn't new (i just assumed he was) then we can just kills him... | ||
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On March 26 2011 11:46 Jackal58 wrote: I don't care if he's still wearing diapers. I'm not here to give people warm fuzzy welcoming feelings. I'm here to kill scum. If you have issues with a noob getting lynched take it up with LSB. I'm just saying... we are here to build a community, and if I had been lynched day 1 when it was my first game, I wouldn't of come back. Most others would feel the same way. Lynching day 1 or day 2 is pretty much the exact same thing, just let the newer players have some fun, while killing others that look scummy. I know I won't be voting for Trackster simply because I can't in good conscience know that I might be ruining someone's possibly becoming a regular in TL mafia by this... I have no problem killing him after he gets a taste of what mafia is like... but he hasn't even lived a night cycle, or lynched anyone yet... but thats just me. | ||
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On March 26 2011 11:49 chaoser wrote: LOLOL what is this...scummiest thing ever. "Let the new player play to night two". That's neither our win condition nor a concern of ours. Town wants to lynch mafia. If someone is scummy, we lynch him/her. Whether they're new or not doesn't matter. TL has a problem getting larger games going, lynching new players doesn't help. Look at Death Factory, where we only had 17 people... Trackster doesn't even look red. People are lynching him because he doesn't post... I would rather kill someone who usually posts but doesn't, then ruin the chance of having a new TL regular. | ||
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On March 26 2011 11:54 Jackal58 wrote: Don't care how he looks. He's either red or black. What color you reppin? You have 0 analysis of Trackster... yet you are 100% sure he is red or black. He is brandnew, so you can't even Meta him... so please, tell me why he is scum? All I see is a new player, that is trying, but still a little lost. Paint me a picture that will make me think he deserves to be lynched. | ||
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On March 26 2011 12:03 Jackal58 wrote: That should read 4 of 6 Yup, because a PM circle with 2 scum in it is 100% reliable right. | ||
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On March 26 2011 12:10 Coagulation wrote: lol you defending your scumbuddy insanious? I'm defending a new player, that doesn't look scummy at all... from getting killed night 1 their first game. Its a matter of values for me. Unless someone could show me something where he is 100% red, 0% chance of not being red... then he doesn't deserve to be killed for not being experienced. | ||
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On March 26 2011 12:14 Lanaia wrote: I don't like this post. That is a terrible idea. Actually, that post kind of pains me because I can't see any town motivation for that. In nowhere I've been have we ever gone out of our way not to kill newbies, even in our newbie games/thread. You can PM pevergreen, and ask him about Totalwar.org and their policies on killing new players or anyone who has not played mafia in a while. Hell, go over to Totalwar.org and go ask some of the players that play mafia... They don't kill new people day 1 or day 2 simply to help foster a good environment for the community to grow. For players to come back and play more games. Just something I liked and picked up... I mean, I wouldn't of been back if I just was killed outright day 1 my first game... Its not motivated by any alignment, its motivated by the fact that mafia is a community game, and without a community we don't get to play games. TL has TERRIBLE activity. I mean look at most of the past few games where only half the people post... Or look at Death Factory where 17 players signed up when he wanted 30... We need more players, and killing them day 1 doesn't get new players. Bigger picture then a single game of mafia... | ||
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On March 26 2011 12:15 Lemonwalrus wrote: Insanious how about we just don't lynch anybody and all hold hands and sing kum-ba-ya? This is mafia, not pre-school. People are going to get lynched, and as part of this IG circle that we are speaking about, I will say that I too think tack is scum. I support jackal's ideas and intend to do my part to see the town win this item game, and right now I feel jackal's plan is our best bet. I never said anything like this, we have 30 players... of those we have a couple new ones. Letting them live till tomorrow doesn't matter at all in the grand scheme of things, but it can help keep them here longer. Doesn't matter to me if they die day 2, or if anyone that this isn't their first game dies today... I want to kill BrownBear, I pushed for him to die, not very kum-ba-ya-ey. | ||
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On March 26 2011 12:21 Lemonwalrus wrote: Well he is trying to steer the game in a direction with outside forces that shouldn't have any bearing over the game. (but it was meant less as a flame and more to show him the error of his ways, I apologize for any flame that came across) I'm trying to defend someone you are trying to get lynched, very different then steering the game in a different direction. We are still talking about Trackster. This isn't me trying to talk about something unrelated. Don't try to spin this into anything else than it is. | ||
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On March 26 2011 12:22 Jackal58 wrote: Tackster hasn't responded to PMs. So your saying this is scummy? This is the most TOWN oriented thing a new player could do... Scum will try to manipulate the town circle to do their bidding... A new player, will be easily persuaded. A new player on a scum team, will have the scum team to talk to to help them out. No scum would ignore PMs, unless their whole scum team is terrible. | ||
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On March 26 2011 12:30 Jackal58 wrote: No. I'm saying 4 of 5 minus him are in a consensus. Annul thinks Lemonwalrus is. There are 2 separate scum factions involved. Do the math. Explain to me how 2 separate scum factions factor into the fact, that any scum would try to manipulate a PM circle... period. | ||
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On March 26 2011 12:46 tnkted wrote: coag, you're acting extremely scummy right now. The PMS are absolutely in a different format per alignment, and annul since quoted one of my breadcrumbs they are the same regardless of item game. Can you not find any? But before you answer that I want to know if jackal can find one. There are several. And yeah, annul is clear. You do realize Coag responded to your post with his own bread crumb right... :/ | ||
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lol, I saw your post in 2 seconds coag, and knew exactly what you meant, don't worry... I guess the person leaving bread crumbs cannot recognize the same thing in others posts, lol. | ||
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On March 26 2011 12:53 GMarshal wrote: As I interpret this you cannot try to role fish peoples alignment PMs in PMs but you can in the thread, is that right? Its because in PM, you can say have everyone PM all their role PMs to jackal. Then you would know 100% who is town and who isn't. Town instantly wins item game. | ||
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1) Jackal58 is scum. He never defends what he says, he simply says "I don't want to reveal info" this is 100% scum behaviour. Scum want to keep secrets, town want to expose them. Anyone who is town, would be happy to explain why they think something, using PMs or what ever else is available to them. A scum keeps secrets. Jackal58 is keeping secrets. 2) Amber[Light] and BrownBear need to post more. They are active players, that look VERY scummy simply due to the way they are playing this game. FOS these two. Now I will be back to talk about Jackal after i shower and get breakfast. | ||
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That is the worst reason I have heard in a mafia game pretty much ever... In a game of mafia, people don't trust the town as a whole because it can be manipulated by mafia. The same can be said about a 6 person mafia game (aka. The Item Game). Mafia ARE manipulating the town in that game... the scum WILL follow any lynch that a green puts forward as long as it is not against them self... A show of hands means absolutely nothing, when the scum are whispering lies into people's ears. Only proof means anything, and without PMs or posts, this means nothing. - - - - Now, lets look to where Jackal SLIPPED UP: On March 26 2011 12:03 Jackal58 wrote: That should read 4 of 6 Alright, so he is saying: - Darmousseh, Lemmon, Jackal, and Coag say Tack is scum - Annul and Tack say that Tack is town but wait... On March 26 2011 14:07 annul wrote: i never told jackal that i thought tackster was a green i never told jackal i thought tackster was a red or black either. So now he is making up what Annul said... Not to mention darmousseh, who doesn't post, is telling Jackal that he thinks Tack is scum. So Jackal lied about what he knew of other players, in order to get Tack killed... very town like right? On March 26 2011 12:22 Jackal58 wrote: Tackster hasn't responded to PMs. Another lie, that we know... Tackster said he hasn't been sent, or has sent out PMs... meaning Jackal once again LIED about Tackster to get him killed. On March 26 2011 12:41 Jackal58 wrote: I am not going to do that. My original post said I am not going to do that. I will not and can not put townies on the line before night one action. You know what I have said. Everything I have posted can be confirmed during night one actions. I will not post PMs for the same reason. My post was more for Bum and his team to go over. But I want to be as transparent as I can be. But I will not kill my fellow townies to satisfy your desire to defend scum. Sorry man. I gave you what I can. It's Bum's lynch. Not yours. He can feel free to lynch me if he chooses. But I just put my dick entirely on the line for town and I feel no special compulsion to further satisfy your curiosity. This doesn't make sense either... He has already said "Tackster is scum" "Me, Coag are Town" "Annul is probably town" So who are you putting at risk? darmousseh or lemon? And i forget, didn't you say lemon was town as well later... So basically you are not putting out PMs because why? Because everyone knows you think Coag, you, annul, and lemmon are town. That darmousseh and Tackster are scum... dude wtf. On March 26 2011 13:42 Jackal58 wrote: I told you I don't really give a shit. I'm not jumping through any more of your hoops to appease your curiosity. Bum holds the only hoops I'm interested in. We have the game in hand. We is town. Go bait some robins. ... and then he cannot find the proof of town in tnkted's posts. So basically Jackal doesn't have the town alignment PM. Jackal is Scum. He is manipulating the IG to win it for his scum team. I believe he thinks that Tackster is the other scum team player... Jackal needs to die. | ||
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On March 26 2011 23:55 orgolove wrote: WIFOM? Since when does pointing out some obvious ways he may not be a red/black counts as that? Point is, no one's standing up to really defend him. Either the reds or blacks are really cutting him loose early, or he's actually a townie and we're missing the real targets. There hasn't been any counter-bandwagon formed, something that would've happened if he was a really crucial member of any of the the groups with the information. The counter bandwaggon is Tackster... Also, you are defending him now. | ||
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FOS darmousseh FOS BrownBear FOS Amber[light] | ||
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So basically YOU and darmousseh DID NOT GET ONE. | ||
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On March 27 2011 00:55 Tackster wrote: What makes you think jackal is black and darmo is red? I don't see the reasoning... Just saw Lemon's breadcrumb. Also rereading that entire bit I can see why people arent 100% clear from it but its a start. I hope you're keeping a list of people that let crumbs out cos there's plenty more. And LSB's posts do lead me to believe that he sent similar if not the same alignment messages to everyone. He thinks jackal is red because the mafia needs to get the black player lynched. Jackal is trying to get people in the item game lynched. The black player wants people to ignore the item game, as the longer the item game goes, the more likely the black player wins, since he cannot die to night hits. | ||
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On March 27 2011 03:06 Tackster wrote: Ok i've searched and searched and searched and I cannot find the post I'm looking for - someone help me!! I was certain I read that Jackal had said something along the lines of: ...and then we shoot someone **with coags item**... But I can't find it in your posts - or anyone else And i definitely remember something along those lines.. Can anyone point me to the post im talking about? caog talked about having a weapon, I do not think that jackal talked about using coags weapon. | ||
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On March 27 2011 05:24 Jackal58 wrote: I'll be honest and fair. Out of Tackster Annul and Darm 2 are scum. I picked Tack simply because I saw him as the easiest lynch. If you want to lynch darm I'm cool with that as well. The longer this has gone on the more I think annul is the town out of those 3. It is a numbers game. WOW, so now it goes from "Tack is 100% scum" to "Tack is probably scum, im pretty sure... not really" We are hanging the towns hopes of killing a scum, on someone who continuously lies to town to try to get them to do what he wants... Jackal is scummy scum scum scum. On March 27 2011 05:25 Jackal58 wrote: Doesn't matter how he flips. I'm shooting you tonight. Ok, we need to lynch jackal tonight. He says he has the towns only KP, and is going to use it WITHOUT TOWN INPUT. This is just as dangerous as a scum. - - - - Not to mention, coag said he had a weapon... doesn't that mean KP? Is Jackal lying? - - - - As well, it would be very easy for Jackal to say "I am town KP" while being mafia or 3rd party and using their KP to look like a vig... - - - - Jackal looks more and more scummy as the day goes on. | ||
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On March 27 2011 05:27 bumatlarge wrote: 1) Scum is on their own in the IG, no scumbuddies 2) 4 townies are guaranteed to be among them with PM rights, so they should have a large say in which among them gets lynched. 3) They are likely to be picked off at a faster pace then the rest of the town Thank you jackal, that is what I wanted to hear. umm... scum have their scum buddies on the IG... Its not like the PM circle is closed. Both scum are getting PMs, and both scum are relaying everything to their scum buddies. The scum are then talking about what their scum player is going to do in the IG... The town is focusing almost 100% on the IG, so the scum will focus there too... Vs point #2... a PM circle just makes it easier for a scum to manipulate the town... They get to PM things that not everyone gets to hear (as has been seen in town... Jackal, coag, and lemon get more info than annul, darmousseh, or tack). This just means its easier for scum to manipulate people... 1 on 1 scum are more powerful. 3) Not necessarily... only if town focuses on item game as well... red cannot focus on item game unless town is using KP vs item game. Black will NOT use KP vs item game till night 2... Why would they attack into item game, when they could leave it as 1 town vs 1 black... terrible idea. just my $0.02 | ||
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On March 27 2011 05:41 Jackal58 wrote: If you sheep could read you'd already have seen where 3 or 4 times including my original post regarding my plan I have always admitted I might be wrong. Because insulting the people your trying to convince is a good way to get people to follow you... give us something to change our minds. Give us PMs, give us proof... The only thing that I can go on when looking at who to lynch is the stuff in thread. In thread Tackster looks town and you look scum. If you want to change my mind you have to prove it... give me PMs. Give me something to change my mind. Because you NEVER will sway ANYONE simply going "guys... believe me, I'm town I swear!" | ||
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When its really just "Tack is the least popular out of us 6, and one of us 6 need to die... so it might as well be Tack" Funny how basically the reason you are killing him is that he is new to TL :/. | ||
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On March 27 2011 06:30 Coagulation wrote: This is a post from a disgruntled scum players point of view who is pissed off that his scum team is gonna lose the items. No, this is a post from a disgruntled town, because I don't get to play the game till IG is dealt with. If I analyze someone I get: "Just wait till IG is done, and we will see what happens" If I ask for someone to explain them selves: "I'm part of IG, I don't need to explain my self" - - - This game is not fun for me in anyway, simply because the IG players are doing thier own things and the rest of town doesn't get to do anything till it is over. | ||
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Hell, they cant even defend themselves against simple questions like "what makes you think this?" which is a basic question for anyone when calling scum. | ||
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On March 27 2011 07:05 annul wrote: bumatlarge: i remembered that jackal at least attempted to reply to the breadcrumb post challenge, even if he did so with what i would consider an "obvious" line of tnk's.... tackster didn't at all. it makes me a little more weary to pop jackal today, since he MAY have something from the BC post. tackster responded to the breadcrumbs already in a previous post. | ||
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Track has given town over 100 posts to analyze for later Jackal/Coag have given few posts. The posts they have given... half of them contradict the other half "Tack is 100% scum" vs "I'm not 100% sure he is scum" "Jackal, Coag, Lemon are confirmed" vs "We will be confirming Jackal, Coag, and lemon by day 2" "Tack isn't responding to PMs" vs "No one sent Tack PMs" "Tack was inactive" vs "Tack being active the whole time with over 100 posts" Everything Coag and Jackal have said is a lie... so how can I support anything you do? You lie, and then contradict your selves later in your posts... I don't understand how you can do that and still think we will follow what you are doing. | ||
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On March 27 2011 07:22 Jackal58 wrote: Nobody has lied. You keep alluding to that. You take posts out of timeline and represent them as accurate. Then say we lie. You sir are scum. I'm becoming more convinced with every post you make defending Trackster that he is your scumbuddy. Keep 'em coming. Dude, don't even try this with me, you want me to go through every post of yours and line them up? If you say 12 hours ago "Tack is 100% scum" Then a hour ago "not confirmed scum, just most likely scum" Still a lie. Doesn't matter if it was 12 hours ago, or 24 hours ago. You said it was confirmed and it wasn't. Just like you said, when you first posted that Jackal, Coag, and Lemon were 100% confirmed. Yet just now, Coag posted about a Plan to confirm you guys. This means you lied. You said Tack didn't respond to PMs, yet then Tack said you guys didn't PM him. And you said you left him out of the PM circle. Another lie. Then you were just caught in a lie saying Tack was inactive, when he never was. You have LIED, stop LYING TO THE TOWN. jesus, if you are town, you are the worst town in the history of mafia. | ||
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On March 26 2011 11:23 Jackal58 wrote: Hola fellow townies. A fond fuck you to scum. I'm gonna do the same shit i did in XXXVII. I'm gonna start a shit storm of the absolute highest magnitude. I'm going to exceedingly piss off 3 IG players and I'm going to tell you guys to lay off three of them. But I'm not telling which 3 until tomorrow. And now I'm going to give town victory on day 1 #1 Bum lynch Tackster. Dunno if he's red or black but he is scum. #2 I want medic protection over night. #3 If Tackster flips black I will shoot the other scum. If I miss and hit green the remaining one will be tomorrows lynch. #4 Item game players can stop me from shooting them but they will be lynched. #5 Did I say I need medic protection for this to work? If we don't have a medic I'm hosed but town is still going to win. #6 I will not announce scum #2 until tomorrow. #7 Worse case scenario is we have 4 confirmed townies plus bums circle of 3 #8 Best case scenario is we have 5 confirmed townies plus bums circle #9 That's 8 vs the world #10 Bum's circle is cops. They should be able to add more townies faster than scum can kill us. #11 Scum of either black or red persuasion will immediately try to kill all of us in the IM game. If I do manage to survive night 1 town has a kp at their disposal on night 2 and I will shoot whoever you vote for. Caveat - There are a few who shall remain nameless at this point that I will not shoot. #12 I was going to wait until tomorrow to post this but I want bum and his team to have time to hash it all out. I am town. I can deliver at worst 2 out of 3 kills as scum or hopefully best case is 2 for 2. #13 Town wins. #14 Scum sucks. #15 Stuff it noobs. I know what I'm doing. #16. This is "Insane" Mafia remember!!! This DOES NOT allude to Tackster being anything but SCUM. #2 says he is scum black or red #3 says you will shoot the other scum when tackster flips red/black You do not say anywhere that you might be wrong. There is 0% interpretation where you allude to not being 100% sure Tack is scum here. If you can show me exactly what lines allude to that.... On March 26 2011 11:54 Jackal58 wrote: Don't care how he looks. He's either red or black. What color you reppin? Here's you saying he is 100% black or red On March 26 2011 22:12 Jackal58 wrote: I'm not asking anybody to sheep. I'm offering 2 scum at the possibility of 1 townie getting hit. Best case is 2 for 2 and then 4 confirmed townies worst case is 3 confirmed townies. Again saying he is 100% red or black On March 27 2011 05:24 Jackal58 wrote: I'll be honest and fair. Out of Tackster Annul and Darm 2 are scum. I picked Tack simply because I saw him as the easiest lynch. If you want to lynch darm I'm cool with that as well. The longer this has gone on the more I think annul is the town out of those 3. It is a numbers game. First time you said Tack wasn't 100% Scum... so now you are trying to weasel your self out of what your previously said. For 17 pages before this post, you said Tackster was 100% scum, 0% chance of not being scum. Now, since we are attacking you. You are saying "oh wait... he is just 2/3 chance, not 100% chance" Very scummy. Scum like to leave backdoors, you are making yours very late, then trying to weasel out of it later. On March 26 2011 22:42 Jackal58 wrote: Cubed. That was my plan. Except I picked a name. I said at the beginning of my post outlining my plan I was about to piss off 3 IG players. I know what 3 of the IG items are. Of the 3 none are particularly beneficial to the black team but they would allow reds to rape us. The other 3 may have attributes that would equally make black damn near invincible but that is merely speculation on my part. I know who 3 of the 4 townies are. Of the 3 of us we are confident in our choice of Tackster. Of the other 3 1 says a scum is definitely among the two noobs in the IG. Annul says it's the other noob. Of those 3 players 2 are scum. Plain and simple. 66% chance that Tack is red or black. 50% of the IG players agree he is scum. 1 other allows for it to be likely. 2 disagree. 1 being Tackster the other annul. Yes we may be wrong but it will pretty much nail the other two to the wall if we are. Worse case scenario 1 townie - 1 red - 1 black. Items to town. I can't make it any more win than that. Again this is more for bum than anybody else but feel free to call me names some more. I am nothing but pro town. Now, as people start to question your plan. Tack goes from 100% scum (AS seen in point #2 and #3 of your plan) To only being 66% scum... you think. On March 27 2011 05:41 Jackal58 wrote: If you sheep could read you'd already have seen where 3 or 4 times including my original post regarding my plan I have always admitted I might be wrong. Wait, now your saying you could be wrong... look at the first post here, you linked it. You NEVER SAID YOU COULD BE WRONG. You said Tack could be red or black. You NEVER ONCE said he could be green. LIER! On March 27 2011 05:57 Jackal58 wrote: Because none of us have any "proof". I can tell you what items LW and coag have. But I'm not going to. I can't prove coag and LW are town any more than I could prove LSB and coag were town in XXXVII. Bum if you want to lynch me go for it. But then lynch darm tack and annul in the next 3 days. Probably be too late but hey. What the hell. I'll be dead. HELL, now you are saying that you don't even have proof to say that track is scum or not... you are just guessing. Before you confirmed he was scum, now you are saying he might not be? That its just a hunch... - - - - So your plan was built on a LIE (Tack being confirmed scum), because you LIED saying he was scum (see posts above)... then you LIED saying you didn't LIE. :/ Time to look into your other LIES. | ||
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On March 27 2011 06:53 Jackal58 wrote: Nobody could say anything about you until I posted my plan. You were inactive. Now you're the towns darling. If I had put forth darm or annul you'd still be lurking. On March 27 2011 06:59 deconduo wrote: At what point was he inactive? He's been posting since the game started. He has 100 posts, all of them in this thread. You are making shit up once again. Lie caught 6 minutes later... Now into another lie, that ties into this one... On March 26 2011 12:22 Jackal58 wrote: Tackster hasn't responded to PMs. On March 26 2011 14:02 Tackster wrote: Next I had only PMd ONE person before going to be last night. I told that person that we have an opportunity to work together because they gave me green vibes in the thread. I made a CLEAR condition however - I would only work together once I had somehow cleared them AND they had cleared me. That is to say I don't work with people that I haven't cleared but I also don't work with people that im not sure have cleared me. For the obvious reason that it doesn't make sense to work with me if im not clear to you. Seeing as I only spoke with 1 person this item game team has decided i'm scum WITHOUT EVEN TALKING TO ME. Jackal, coag, etc. have PMd only today while i've been catching up on the thread to find this unbelievably wild accusation Wait WHAT? You said he never responded to PMs... that you never sent. NO SHIT. Doesn't make him scum, YOU LIED TO MAKE HIM LOOK SCUMMY. You left him out of the PM circle, you didn't even PM him, and then you oust him for not PM'ing you, wow... LIER LIER LIER. | ||
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On March 27 2011 08:23 Coagulation wrote: you cant hold him accountable for what i said. dont be a twat Yes I can. If I said: The earth revolves around the sun and you said: No the sun revolves around the earth Then I would be lying, and you would be proving it. He said: You, Himself, and Lemon were confirmed 100% town You said: We are going to confirm You, Jackal, and Lemon on Night 1. You proved that he lied about people being confirmed. He was caught in a lie. You caught him in the lie, then never called him out on it. | ||
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On March 27 2011 08:25 Coagulation wrote: maybe i lied. Then its 3 lies for Jackal, and 1 lie for you... maybe you are the other scum. I don't know. | ||
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On March 27 2011 08:28 Coagulation wrote: Insanious your actions so far have been a pretty clear indicator that you are invested in saving tack far more than a townie would. we are gonna kill tack. and then we are gonna kill you when he flips red. your really just making it easier on town at this point I'm interested in killing scum. Tack doesn't look scummy to me... Jackal does. Has nothing to do with Tack. I haven't even brought up the Tack lynch in a while. I've been talking about killing Jackal, where he lied. He was lieing while talking about Tack. Don't try to make a link where there isn't one. There is a big difference between me defending tack and attacking Jackal. You can't seem to see that. Hopefully the rest of the town can. | ||
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Tack has at least participated in the game. He laid out ideas for the town to look at. He gave posts for the town to analyze. And he looks green. The rest of you IG players have not done that, you play in your own little world... and guess what its biting you in the ass. As town, you need to share info, so that we don't kill you. Its how it always works. Mafia work to keep info away from the town. Thats how it works. By being secretive you are shooting your self in the foot. Now Jackal is caught up in lies, with no way to explain them, and he looks 100% scum, You are out here defending him simply because you put work into making some sort of plan, that I assume exists or you wouldn't be defending him... but I don't know if it does... You have vested interests that are clouding your judgement. If you actually want to help Jackal and the town. SHOW ME HOW HE IS NOT SCUM. Don't just tell me that he isn't. | ||
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You can kill me if you want. I am town, you will spill my green blood... as long as when I die, you guys lynch a target of my choosing afterwards... IF I turn of green. | ||
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On March 27 2011 11:07 Coagulation wrote: What? you mean "WHEN I TURN GREEN" ?? SCUMSLIP? Yup of course, I would totally just tell everyone I am scum :/. I'm not that bad of a mafia player coag. IF is a perfectly acceptable word to use there. It is used in the sense of an if/or statement. IF I am green then... OF I am not green and... I was NOT referring to my allignment. Although, if you still want to kill me... you can do so. As long as I get to choose the lynch target after I die. | ||
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*OR I am not green and... | ||
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On March 27 2011 11:15 Lemonwalrus wrote: Just to clarify, IG players can copy/paste item game PM's in full in the thread? If so, I think first order of business is to mass share whatever PMs we got from darm to see what we can see. (If this sounds like a bad idea let me know, I don't want to give scum more info than they should have, but I feel we can maybe learn from it, idk, gimme input please) The black team already has all the info you would gain. By releasing the PMs you only give info to the town and the reds. Since the reds are hunting the blacks, and the only info that you would gain from darmousseh's PMs would be about the blacks... Then giving the info cannot hurt the town. But keeping it secret results in the town knowing less than the blacks. | ||
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What he is saying, is that darmousseh has confirmed I am not of the black faction. darmousseh did the only thing he could do for his faction, which is post in a way that tries to tie me to darmousseh. Thus making the town think I am black and try to get me killed. This would waste 1 lynch, the only way to kill blacks. annul posted that, as darmousseh isn't supposed to post after he died anything but a good bye post. This obviously is something very different then just a good bye post. | ||
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On March 27 2011 11:18 annul wrote: i have tons of pms from darmo, but i have no idea how to format them in anything worth reading Use Format it like a post. Then spoiler each individual string of PMs. | ||
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On March 27 2011 11:22 Lemonwalrus wrote: I'm not worried about the blacks since I assume he shared all his info with them anyways, what I'm worried about is what the reds are going to gain from us sharing our PMs and if it is going to influence their KP targets tonight. And reds can't hunt blacks, they are bulletproof. Can I copy paste PMs from Darm in this thread? Sorry if it was answered before. red's can still influence the town, and they still hold 6 votes. As such they can still hunt and kill blacks. night KP is not the only weapon the mafia wield. | ||
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On March 27 2011 11:36 Coagulation wrote: So now we know you want to steal from coag. thats great. huh? Who is you? darmousseh wanted to steal from you... annul hadn't chosen a target yet. | ||
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On March 27 2011 11:58 Lanaia wrote: He might be but I feel Jackal is more scum than darmo is. um what... darmo was a scum. He just died and flipped. | ||
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On March 27 2011 12:44 Jackal58 wrote: I doubt it. Hit me with your reasons again. I was busy defending myself from the scum team. To be honest I didn't read a lot of what you posted this evening. Basically: Why red wont hit IG: - Red wants to be able to win item game in 1 fell swoop. Meaning when its 2 town + 1 mafia. - If it hits 1 town + 1 mafia, then town has a 50/50 chance of killing the mafia, which does not mean mafia will win 100% of the time - As well, mafia knows that when it hits 1:1 then their red can only live for 1 more day - by extending the time it takes for item game to last for 1 more day, they get 1 more day of full scum team strength. Why black wont hit IG: - Black wants IG to last as long as possible - They only need to out number all other players - As such, keeping powerful items out of everyones hands is their goal - This means they want IG to last till the max time (being 3 days) This means IG players will not be night killed by mafia, until town lynches 1 more player in IG. The caveat of this, is of course, if mafia can get 4 KP in a single night phase. - - - What that means, is that the KP from the scum will be pointed towards the active and/or experienced town players. | ||
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On March 27 2011 12:57 annul wrote: also dont forget for black, they can use night kill to try to force a draw, where nobody gets the items. this is their optimal play right now. does it work that way? Or would who ever sent the night kill first, end up killing first. Resulting in the non-killed team winning the items? EX. LSB is mafia, pevergreen is town. blacks send in kill order first for LSB mafia sends in kill order second for pevergreen In night right up: blacks kill LSB. Town wins item game, items distributed to town. Then pever is killed. | ||
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On March 27 2011 13:08 annul wrote: items are distributed to remaining players in item game. so if all 6 die, ALL items are out of play. Alright, now im confused... someone else said that items get distributed to the faction. Before that, I thought you were right... if you are right, then item game means nothing to this at all... since once item game is over, we just kill last person if mafia and town takes no extra losses... | ||
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On March 27 2011 15:30 Kavdragon wrote: My case for Insanious v1.0 Insanious has exhibited scummy play on several fronts: He has held extremely wrong, scum favored opinions on the nature of PM’s. He has aggressively and exclusively defended one person (tackster), which makes no sense from a townie’s prospective. He has shown contrasting weak opinions as to the alignment of others, despite the fervor of the arguments he made against them. All of these things point to one thing: Insanious is Scum. + Show Spoiler [WrongOpinions] + As has been explained by many veteran players, wrong opinions do not necessarily mean scum. It’s only when those plans consistently favor scum that they become a clear indication that the player is scum. Insanious has shown just that: On March 25 2011 02:21 Insanious wrote: The only reason why I don't want an irc channel is because it will make it harder for me to keep up with the game. I don't get to sit infront of the irc channel all day, I catch up on mafia games over a few hours in one chunk usually. As such, I don't have access to irc during the day, and reading logs will take for ever and analysing them will require more time to format properly. This makes it harder for me to play... Not to mention I would most likely not be able to join the irc chat often. Not to mention how cluttered the thread will look once the logs are posted... I guess if everyone else wants one I don't mind... Just don't call me scum if I donKt participate in it very much. The IRC was a good thing for town, and the mafia/SK realized it faster than the town did, and shut it down. People who have something to hide are terrified of PM’s/irc because they have to make snap decisions, and things slip out much easier. I repeat: ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE DO NOT WANT PM’S AND IRC WITH ANYONE OTHER THAN THEIR TEAM. Insanious opposed this plan, saying “I don’t want to have to read through all of them…” So don’t. No one is saying that you have to read them. Can you think of any ill effect this would have on the town? NO. It can only help us! This is a WRONG opinion, that is SCUM favored. On March 26 2011 12:27 Insanious wrote: So your saying this is scummy? This is the most TOWN oriented thing a new player could do... Scum will try to manipulate the town circle to do their bidding... A new player, will be easily persuaded. A new player on a scum team, will have the scum team to talk to to help them out. No scum would ignore PMs, unless their whole scum team is terrible. You have this completely backwards. Town loves PM’s because it’s much easier to find scum in them. Scum hate PM’s because it’s really easy to slip up in them. If you want me to, I can find several veteran players who agree with this. This opinion is so blatantly wrong, that you are either a terrible player, or scum. Even if you are scum, you’re not good at it if you think you can get away with this sort of thing. Based off of previous games, you are not inexperienced, therefor you are Scum + Show Spoiler [Defense of Tackster] + + Show Spoiler [Wall of defense] + On March 26 2011 11:43 Insanious wrote: :/ killing new players is awesome... can we at least let Trackster play till day 2? I mean seriously, this is his first game isn't it, at least let him get a taste rather then kill him instantly... just my $0.02. I also play on .Org, and they don' kill new players before day 2 simply because it doesn't foster a good environment for them, and they don't usually come back... at least giving them a taste gives them a chance to play more. Although, if Trackster isn't new (i just assumed he was) then we can just kills him... On March 26 2011 11:49 Insanious wrote: I'm just saying... we are here to build a community, and if I had been lynched day 1 when it was my first game, I wouldn't of come back. Most others would feel the same way. Lynching day 1 or day 2 is pretty much the exact same thing, just let the newer players have some fun, while killing others that look scummy. I know I won't be voting for Trackster simply because I can't in good conscience know that I might be ruining someone's possibly becoming a regular in TL mafia by this... I have no problem killing him after he gets a taste of what mafia is like... but he hasn't even lived a night cycle, or lynched anyone yet... but thats just me. On March 26 2011 11:52 Insanious wrote: TL has a problem getting larger games going, lynching new players doesn't help. Look at Death Factory, where we only had 17 people... Trackster doesn't even look red. People are lynching him because he doesn't post... I would rather kill someone who usually posts but doesn't, then ruin the chance of having a new TL regular. On March 26 2011 12:01 Insanious wrote: You have 0 analysis of Trackster... yet you are 100% sure he is red or black. He is brandnew, so you can't even Meta him... so please, tell me why he is scum? All I see is a new player, that is trying, but still a little lost. Paint me a picture that will make me think he deserves to be lynched. On March 26 2011 12:13 Insanious wrote: I'm defending a new player, that doesn't look scummy at all... from getting killed night 1 their first game. Its a matter of values for me. Unless someone could show me something where he is 100% red, 0% chance of not being red... then he doesn't deserve to be killed for not being experienced. On March 26 2011 12:20 Insanious wrote: You can PM pevergreen, and ask him about Totalwar.org and their policies on killing new players or anyone who has not played mafia in a while. Hell, go over to Totalwar.org and go ask some of the players that play mafia... They don't kill new people day 1 or day 2 simply to help foster a good environment for the community to grow. For players to come back and play more games. Just something I liked and picked up... I mean, I wouldn't of been back if I just was killed outright day 1 my first game... Its not motivated by any alignment, its motivated by the fact that mafia is a community game, and without a community we don't get to play games. TL has TERRIBLE activity. I mean look at most of the past few games where only half the people post... Or look at Death Factory where 17 players signed up when he wanted 30... We need more players, and killing them day 1 doesn't get new players. Bigger picture then a single game of mafia... On March 26 2011 12:23 Insanious wrote: I'm trying to defend someone you are trying to get lynched, very different then steering the game in a different direction. We are still talking about Trackster. This isn't me trying to talk about something unrelated. Don't try to spin this into anything else than it is. On March 26 2011 12:27 Insanious wrote: So your saying this is scummy? This is the most TOWN oriented thing a new player could do... Scum will try to manipulate the town circle to do their bidding... A new player, will be easily persuaded. A new player on a scum team, will have the scum team to talk to to help them out. No scum would ignore PMs, unless their whole scum team is terrible. On March 26 2011 23:56 Insanious wrote: The counter bandwaggon is Tackster... Also, you are defending him now. On March 27 2011 05:30 Insanious wrote: WOW, so now it goes from "Tack is 100% scum" to "Tack is probably scum, im pretty sure... not really" We are hanging the towns hopes of killing a scum, on someone who continuously lies to town to try to get them to do what he wants... Jackal is scummy scum scum scum. Ok, we need to lynch jackal tonight. He says he has the towns only KP, and is going to use it WITHOUT TOWN INPUT. This is just as dangerous as a scum. - - - - Not to mention, coag said he had a weapon... doesn't that mean KP? Is Jackal lying? - - - - As well, it would be very easy for Jackal to say "I am town KP" while being mafia or 3rd party and using their KP to look like a vig... - - - - Jackal looks more and more scummy as the day goes on. On March 27 2011 05:45 Insanious wrote: Because insulting the people your trying to convince is a good way to get people to follow you... give us something to change our minds. Give us PMs, give us proof... The only thing that I can go on when looking at who to lynch is the stuff in thread. In thread Tackster looks town and you look scum. If you want to change my mind you have to prove it... give me PMs. Give me something to change my mind. Because you NEVER will sway ANYONE simply going "guys... believe me, I'm town I swear!" On March 27 2011 06:24 Insanious wrote: I love how jackal and coag have been all "We have proof, Tack is scum, kill him!" When it’s really just "Tack is the least popular out of us 6, and one of us 6 need to die... so it might as well be Tack" Funny how basically the reason you are killing him is that he is new to TL :/. Holy crap. He spent more time defending tackster than doing any other thing in the game! When tack was a lynch target, he suddenly because MUCH more active, and spent all that time defending him. Why? I can understand defending someone, but unless he has more information than the people in the item game (he doesn’t. It’s day one) then why is he so opinionated about it? I’m not saying anything about the strength of the arguments he makes in defense, some of them I agree with, but I cannot see a townie putting this much effort into defending someone they cannot be sure is innocent! This makes much more sense from the mafia prospective however: If he, as mafia, can find legitimate arguments as to why his scum buddy should NOT be lynched, he would totally go all out to save an "unjust" lynch of a scum buddy. + Show Spoiler [The strange case of Jackal and Mr.Coag] + + Show Spoiler [Accusations] + On March 27 2011 06:44 Insanious wrote: Everything Jackal and Coag have said is basically a lie. Has no basis in anything, and we are basing our kills on it. Hell, they cant even defend themselves against simple questions like "what makes you think this?" which is a basic question for anyone when calling scum. On March 27 2011 07:17 Insanious wrote: Basically for me... Track has given town over 100 posts to analyze for later Jackal/Coag have given few posts. The posts they have given... half of them contradict the other half "Tack is 100% scum" vs "I'm not 100% sure he is scum" "Jackal, Coag, Lemon are confirmed" vs "We will be confirming Jackal, Coag, and lemon by day 2" "Tack isn't responding to PMs" vs "No one sent Tack PMs" "Tack was inactive" vs "Tack being active the whole time with over 100 posts" Everything Coag and Jackal have said is a lie... so how can I support anything you do? You lie, and then contradict your selves later in your posts... I don't understand how you can do that and still think we will follow what you are doing. On March 27 2011 07:25 Insanious wrote: Dude, don't even try this with me, you want me to go through every post of yours and line them up? If you say 12 hours ago "Tack is 100% scum" Then a hour ago "not confirmed scum, just most likely scum" Still a lie. Doesn't matter if it was 12 hours ago, or 24 hours ago. You said it was confirmed and it wasn't. Just like you said, when you first posted that Jackal, Coag, and Lemon were 100% confirmed. Yet just now, Coag posted about a Plan to confirm you guys. This means you lied. You said Tack didn't respond to PMs, yet then Tack said you guys didn't PM him. And you said you left him out of the PM circle. Another lie. Then you were just caught in a lie saying Tack was inactive, when he never was. You have LIED, stop LYING TO THE TOWN. jesus, if you are town, you are the worst town in the history of mafia. On March 27 2011 08:01 Insanious wrote: Fine, lets start here... This DOES NOT allude to Tackster being anything but SCUM. #2 says he is scum black or red #3 says you will shoot the other scum when tackster flips red/black You do not say anywhere that you might be wrong. There is 0% interpretation where you allude to not being 100% sure Tack is scum here. If you can show me exactly what lines allude to that.... Here's you saying he is 100% black or red Again saying he is 100% red or black First time you said Tack wasn't 100% Scum... so now you are trying to weasel your self out of what your previously said. For 17 pages before this post, you said Tackster was 100% scum, 0% chance of not being scum. Now, since we are attacking you. You are saying "oh wait... he is just 2/3 chance, not 100% chance" Very scummy. Scum like to leave backdoors, you are making yours very late, then trying to weasel out of it later. Now, as people start to question your plan. Tack goes from 100% scum (AS seen in point #2 and #3 of your plan) To only being 66% scum... you think. Wait, now your saying you could be wrong... look at the first post here, you linked it. You NEVER SAID YOU COULD BE WRONG. You said Tack could be red or black. You NEVER ONCE said he could be green. LIER! HELL, now you are saying that you don't even have proof to say that track is scum or not... you are just guessing. Before you confirmed he was scum, now you are saying he might not be? That its just a hunch... - - - - So your plan was built on a LIE (Tack being confirmed scum), because you LIED saying he was scum (see posts above)... then you LIED saying you didn't LIE. :/ Time to look into your other LIES. On March 27 2011 08:12 Insanious wrote: Let's start with a short lie, that deconduo caught you with Lie caught 6 minutes later... Now into another lie, that ties into this one... Wait WHAT? You said he never responded to PMs... that you never sent. NO SHIT. Doesn't make him scum, YOU LIED TO MAKE HIM LOOK SCUMMY. You left him out of the PM circle, you didn't even PM him, and then you oust him for not PM'ing you, wow... LIER LIER LIER. On March 27 2011 08:13 Insanious wrote: Do I need to actually go and look for you confirming 3 town VS Coag saying that people aren't confirmed, that you are going to confirm them during the night? It only happened like 2 pages ago... On March 27 2011 08:25 Insanious wrote: Yes I can. If I said: The earth revolves around the sun and you said: No the sun revolves around the earth Then I would be lying, and you would be proving it. He said: You, Himself, and Lemon were confirmed 100% town You said: We are going to confirm You, Jackal, and Lemon on Night 1. You proved that he lied about people being confirmed. He was caught in a lie. You caught him in the lie, then never called him out on it. On March 27 2011 08:27 Insanious wrote: Then its 3 lies for Jackal, and 1 lie for you... maybe you are the other scum. I don't know. On March 27 2011 08:32 Insanious wrote: I'm interested in killing scum. Tack doesn't look scummy to me... Jackal does. Has nothing to do with Tack. I haven't even brought up the Tack lynch in a while. I've been talking about killing Jackal, where he lied. He was lieing while talking about Tack. Don't try to make a link where there isn't one. There is a big difference between me defending tack and attacking Jackal. You can't seem to see that. Hopefully the rest of the town can. On March 27 2011 08:42 Insanious wrote: In my eyes, you and Jackal have done absolutely nothing. You have shown nothing to support that you have done anything. You talk... amongst your selves. You tell town to trust you. But you haven't acutally tried to tell me you've done anything. Tack has at least participated in the game. He laid out ideas for the town to look at. He gave posts for the town to analyze. And he looks green. The rest of you IG players have not done that, you play in your own little world... and guess what its biting you in the ass. As town, you need to share info, so that we don't kill you. Its how it always works. Mafia work to keep info away from the town. Thats how it works. By being secretive you are shooting your self in the foot. Now Jackal is caught up in lies, with no way to explain them, and he looks 100% scum, You are out here defending him simply because you put work into making some sort of plan, that I assume exists or you wouldn't be defending him... but I don't know if it does... You have vested interests that are clouding your judgement. If you actually want to help Jackal and the town. SHOW ME HOW HE IS NOT SCUM. Don't just tell me that he isn't. As I read through all his posts, I found something very interesting and telling: He argues extensively with jackal/coag, but never once does he call them scum! He calls them liers, condems their actions, and otherwise defaces their plans. Towards the end he says that “maybey [coag] is scum” But never calls him scum. Long into the argument, he states that jackal “looks scummy”, but he still hasn’t called them scum! He holds just strong opinions about their play, but he is extremely weak when it comes to the actual accusation! This is such a scum thing to do! They KNOW they are innocent, so they have a hard time saying otherwise. In conclusion, read the introduction. Insanious is Scum. @wrong opinions: PMs are strong when in a 100% town circle. Aka. the blue circle. I wasn't saying PMs are wrong period. They are just weak when there are scum already infiltrated in your PM circle. In the IG, the players DO NOT know who is scum. As such, they are sharing information with the scum that they are not sharing with the rest of the town. This is dangerous. Players are trusting other players that they do not know are town. This leads to mafia manipulation... How hard is that to understand? Mafia in PM circles kill town, its been see many times before (I haven't played in any games with PMs but people do talk about it) @Defending Tackster, I give you day 1 in Mafia XXXV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=179009¤tpage=11#213 Annul vs LSB + ME Annul was mafia, LSB was blue, I was blue. I did not know what the player's alignments were, but I defended LSB for almost the whole day vs Annul, and almost saved LSB. LSB was a blue, who died to Annul a RED. I was a town, protecting another town, that I had a gut feeling was not mafia, vs a mafia player. This is how I play town. @the case vs coag and jackal. To me, this is the same thing was me vs annul. Go ready that day 1. I attack annul, deface his plan, try to save LSB. I never call Annul scum once. I even try to get someone else lynched... heck, for the first like 20 hours of day 1 in that game, I don't even have a lynch target, I just know LSB is a terrible lynch. I eventually settle on brocket (someone who is scum, and i thought was scum due to meta since I played a game with him before where he was town... I was right) - - - - This is how I play town, yes its different then other people... but I stick my neck out there and feverently attack and defend players. As town, this is how I play since if I die, it matters little as long as I find scum. You can see the same thing when I go after DXCLIV in pokemafia (page 43 I think) Or how about when my role restricts how I play town, and I cannot defend players only attack: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=186653 I lurk like no other. I suck at pointing out scum, but am very good at finding town... useless in mafia, maybe. But its what I do. In every game I have played, I have been town: Pokemafia: was a medic, who day 1 and then day 4 posted A LOT attacking two players Kenpachi and DXCLIV mafia XXXV: was vet, had a 1000 post day 1, where I attacked Annuls plan to kill LSB without a replacement lynch. I was town, annul was mafia, LSB was town. Orgah Mafia: was restricted in that I could only attack those I thought was mafia, lurked because I had nothing to say (as I generally have no opinions on who is and who isn't mafia) Deathfactory: Special circumstances, but revealed my powerful town role day 1, then posted an obscenely large amount of times, putting my neck out there, as mafia would of killed me night 1, or i would of been lynched for getting the wrong people killed day 1. - - - - I play mafia like this... if you haven't figured that out yet, then you can lynch me and see that I am green and waste a day for the town. | ||
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On March 28 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote: guess everyone's watching TSL =[ I'm still here... but there's not much more I can say then I have already said. Waiting for someone else to post something. | ||
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On March 28 2011 11:10 Lanaia wrote: What... How did they make it any harder? Both those people were obviously town. In other news, there should have been more than two kills if mafia has two and third party has one, shouldn't there have been? annul was targeted by both scum factions... if you read the write up. Annul was shot twice. | ||
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On March 28 2011 11:07 LSB wrote: Well, looks like people aren't really using their items well. Only one person was able to use his item. Only problem is that he found himself in the wrong place. He stood over the dead body of Annul and wondered what happened. And why was there two bullets when he only loaded one in his gun? And what's up with all the blood smeared on him? Annul was shot twice. Once by a scum faction, and once by someone else. As this is the only item user, this would mean that Jackal shot someone, but ended up hitting Annul. The bus driver, switched Annul with another player, the intended target of Jackal, getting Annul killed. Next up Gmarshal was minding his own business. Suddenly he was kidnapped and wrapped in duct tape. His kidnapper left. Then someone else came back with a gun, and shot him. Here Gmarshal was role blocked, and then killed Someone wasn't as sucess full at killing people. Another person started giggling at gifts he left people. Mad hatter Another person drove his bus around, confusing a few people. Bus driver switched Annul + Someone else. (Jackal was confused) And the Police Worked hard as always. Bless their poor soles. Blues have a DTRumors of the return of the true mayor has surfaced... The town king's powers are on a countdown timer. It has hit 1, in X days, the town king will surface.Criminal Activity: Significant All a large portion of scum used all their powers This is what happened last night. I am the master of analyzing any day/night posts. Enjoy. | ||
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On March 28 2011 11:49 tnkted wrote: What I want to know is why they didn't kill lemon.. it sounds like red used their shot on annul and coag's shot was moved to annul. Black used their shot on GM because it makes sense that they wouldn't shoot into the IG. That leaves one red shot left. Why isn't lemon dead? That must have been the failed shot.. looks like blues managed to save lemon last night. Good job blues! One misconception. Since Annul and Tack were bussed. Then both shots were on Tack, and were bussed to Annul. Doesn't really change anything, but ya. | ||
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On March 28 2011 11:50 Tackster wrote: If you are the town remember how you've been acting the whole game. You incessant tunneling is what leads to greens losing the IG and you are doing your side NO FAVORS. All you've done is say 'this is my plan i'm sticking with it no matter what'. To be honest if you got a red on someone else in the IG you probably would still want to lynch me because your plan is more important to you then checking the evidence. Anyway - as more people post there WILL be more information. I have more information for instance and I will out it when more people have read the d1 post and are ready to start deliberating. 3 votes in the first hour and we have 48 hours to check evidence. Way to keep your minds open. calm down, people can change their votes... most people vote as soon as the day changes so that if they forget to change it they don't get mod killed. | ||
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On March 28 2011 11:53 tnkted wrote: or one shot was on tack and one shot was on annul, which would make more sense... if tack is mafia mafia isn't gonna target tack, and black certainly isn't going to hand the item game to town. They both have to be on tack, or there was no bus driver, and as such Coag is lying... As I believe Coag is telling the truth. Then Tack was shot by both Coag and a Scum, and then the shots were bussed to Annul. | ||
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Say Lemon is mafia. He knew what items both jackal and caog had. Lemon steals from jackal (taking away town medic), then gets mafia to buss the target (tack) that coag had told him. This would result in annul dying, town lynching tack, and mafia winning IG. Just a thought. Im off to bed now though. | ||
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On March 28 2011 23:25 tnkted wrote: I'm still on page 14 but theres an important point that nobody has brought up yet: Scum thought that annul was using his bomb. Thats why the bussed coag to annul, not because they wanted annul gone or anything, but because they wanted coag to die. but if that was true, then if the bomb went off, the bus driver would of died too... I don't think they would sacrifice their bus driver to kill coag in the item game. | ||
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On March 28 2011 23:27 deconduo wrote: If the driver works the normal way it was tack and annul that were bussed. Bussing switches the action's targets, not the people performing the action. yes, but it would change coag from shooting tack to shooting annul. As such, the bomb would kill coag. Switching the players doesnt matter, what matters for annul's item was switching the targets. | ||
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On March 28 2011 23:32 Jackal58 wrote: That assumes they knew coag was the shooter. For all intents and purposes they had to assume I was. for the bus, it doesn't matter who the shooter was. it would bus you or coag to annul from tack, and the shooter you or coag would die. either way, the town KP was lost. | ||
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On March 29 2011 00:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Bum didn't say tack was scum, did he? I thought he said LW had a funky check but was leaning towards tack as well. bum said that Tack was 100% scum. Then after he redacted that statement because his information was incorrect. His information was wrong, he gained new info from LSB and re-rereading coag's stuff. So now he thinks Lemon is scum instead. | ||
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If it goes to the players, IG was a waste of time. If it goes to the faction... then it was worth it. | ||
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On March 29 2011 01:35 CubEdIn wrote: Yeah, no. I do believe that you're the bus driver and have switched bum and lemon, otherwise the lemon check wouldn't have made sense in a LOT of scenarios. Now, we still need to figure out why Tack didn't die. Two bus drivers might be a bit much indeed. The only thing is, mafia thought Jackal would hit, not Coag, so whatever happened, couldn't have been a spell cast on Coag. false, mafia could of known the hit would come from Coag if it was either Lemon or Jackal as mafia. They would know. Mafia wouldn't know if Tack is mafia. As such, if either Lemon or Jackal are mafia, then It could of been mindcontrol instead of busdriver. | ||
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Because Tack was the only one who thought that Jackal would shoot him. As well, the bus driver bussed lemon + bum This would mean that coag was mind controlled. Meaning the mafia needed to know who was shooting. This would mean either jackal or lemon is mafia, as they were the only two that knew coag would shoot. | ||
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On March 29 2011 02:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: So wait, if we think the mafia redirected coagulation to annul, then what are the new hits we think happened? We have Kav claimed a hit, a second hit on annul and gmarshal dead. The blacks want to prolong the item game as long as possible so they wouldn't of put the second hit on Annul, meaning the mafia must of put the second hit on Annul just to make sure he died. Which leaves two hits unknown. Who hit Kav and who hit Gmarshal? Um, actually, what we have is: 1) 1 shot on Lemon, bussed to Bum. Gmarshal took the hit 2) 1 Shot on annul from scum 3) 1 shot on Tack, mind controlled or bussed to Annul 4) 1 shot on kav that failed. | ||
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On March 29 2011 03:07 Rean wrote: Despite the fact that it'd be good to have this information reach Bum, PM's are off-limits in this game unless specified that you can pm a certain person. He is hoping for a mason, or a postman type role. | ||
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On March 29 2011 03:12 tnkted wrote: Wait actually, theres no way that hits on bum could be shifted to his BGs... Mafia could just use both hits on bum and then have mind control shift coags gun to bum. We don't know if the hit was on bum or on lemon. Theres no way to tell because both would have blocked the shot. But GMarshal would only die if it was bussed from Lemon to Bum If it shot lemon, lemon would of just blocked the shot. THis is unless Kav is lying. Then it would of been 1) 1 Shot on Annul 2) 1 Shot on Tack shifted to Annul 3) 1 Shot on Bum bussed to Lemon 4) 1 Shot on GMarshal | ||
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On March 29 2011 03:12 tnkted wrote: Wait actually, theres no way that hits on bum could be shifted to his BGs... Mafia could just use both hits on bum and then have mind control shift coags gun to bum. We don't know if the hit was on bum or on lemon. Theres no way to tell because both would have blocked the shot. Remember, Bum isn't a 100% priority right now... IG is. Once IG is resolved, bum will probably die. Because if town wins IG They get: 1) Vig powers 2) Medic powers 3) Vet powers 4) Allignment detecting powers 5) Role detecting powers 6) Bomb on self | ||
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On March 29 2011 03:16 tnkted wrote: Yep, This is what i was saying. Kav must be lying. Gmarshal died because he was targeted. Why, if you bus a shot from lemon -> bum. Then bum's body guard would take the shot and die... that's how it works. | ||
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On March 29 2011 03:19 Rean wrote: Then, we have Coagulation's shot. He claims this was fired at Tackster. There was no bus-driver to swap them around, and since Tackster was still alive, this is obviously bullshit. Lying about who you fired on, that's not very nice of you, Coagulation. Care to explain? fail reading fail | ||
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On March 29 2011 03:24 Rean wrote: Care explaining what i misread rather then just saying i failed? It auto spoilered me... I bolded the part that said that Coagulation was confused that he shot annul. Meaning Coag did not mean to shoot annul. | ||
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On March 29 2011 03:34 deconduo wrote: Why are people claiming LW was a target for a shot? Because people, my self included, thought that the GMarshal kill was him dying to protect Bum. This would mean Bum and Lemon were bussed. As such a shot at Lemon would turn into a shot at Bum. The shot at Bum would then kill GMarshal. Apparently, this is not how bodyguards work. As such... lemon was not a target of a shot. | ||
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On March 29 2011 04:59 Coagulation wrote: Im just sick of this shit Between bum telling me to shut the fuck up and calling me a liar This noname reane or w/e fucking calling me a liar and a idiot deconduo and insanious shitting all over me and calling me a liar ROL calling me a liar at every fucking opportunity fuck you guys you deserve to lose. its your own fault. Its the way you post. You post things in certainties. "Tackster is 100% mafia" "Lemon is 100% Town" "We have a plan that will 100% win town the IG" Guess what... no you don't have any 100% since this is mafia, a game of non-perfect information. Hell, people lie to you all the time in mafia. You are never 100%, so you shouldn't act like it. The other big thing was that you never posted any REASONS for ANYTHING. It was just "TRUST ME" "TRUST ME" guess what, this is mafia, if you trust people you will get a blade in the back. I need YOU to tell me WHY you believe something, or I wont know where you are comming from. NOW, after all the info. Guess what, you look like a manipulated town. You don't look like a lier, just like someone who DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEEDED TO MAKE BOLD CLAIMS. Now you are pissed because everything is blowing up in your face. Next time, explain your self and maybe town wont ride you so hard. But if you keep posting, without giving any reasons for anything... obviously we are all going to ignore you. You gave us nothing to sway our minds. You aren't some sort of omnipotent god that gets everything right 100% of the time. You are only a mortal man, one that makes mistakes, and one that no one is going to follow without reason. The only reason people are no following your lead, is because you failed as a leader. Do a better job next time. | ||
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On March 29 2011 11:21 tnkted wrote: when does the day end? should I be voting soon? day ends in 23.5 hours... so doesn't really matter. Tack dies anyway, you might want to vote just in case you forget to in the future. | ||
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On March 29 2011 11:37 Coagulation wrote: after all that pissing and moaning about lynching him you vote for him? trying to blend in now that its too late to save him eh? How about people made good posts... how about GGQ's post made sense. I just didn't like the fact that you and jackal were keeping everything from the town. Had nothing to do with tack himself. Just you two put up 0 case against him and assumed town would follow you. I didn't. Now, there is an actual case against Tack that makes sense. | ||
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On March 30 2011 04:32 Jackal58 wrote: Bus is one way. Any visits to Coag would go to me. Including medic so ya let's not do that. Actions on me do not go to Coag. bus is two way bro... you have to think of it like this: You are put into Coags House Coag is put in YOUR House anyone that visits COAGS HOUSE hits to Anyone that visits YOU HOUSE hits Coag its two way. | ||
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On March 30 2011 04:46 BrownBear wrote: STOP TALKING ABOUT TACK JESUS CHRIST. We've pretty much decided he's gonna get lynched, all he's doing now is trying to distract us from his scumbuddies. Don't let him, focus on more important things. Dude, GO READY MAFIA XXXV FFS. was like 20/30 town voted for LSB who was a blue. I fought till there was 2mins left to try and keep him alive till it was 15 voting for LSB and 14 for brocket. LSB flipped blue. People just didn't care up till the end of the day. Its never over, we don't know what someone will find that could save a green and kill a red, its not over till the day/night post comes. There is never a good time to stop analyzing people's play. I mean hell, you aren't even participating in this game and you come out of no where and you just scream "KILL TACK!" Its like your a red, praying for the green to die so that you guys can win IG. FOS BrownBear if Tack flips green. | ||
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On March 30 2011 05:16 chaoser wrote: Here's the question then Tack, why would red/black even shoot at annul? He had the hot potato which blows up when people visit him. If he activates it then it's 100% chance it'll blow up. If not then it's 25% chance. Why would red/black risk it, especially black since they lost a member to D1 lynch? The only reason they would shoot at annul that I can think of is if they thought his bomb was diffused or safe right? The other one would be if the blacks thought they would be immune to the bomb, so they shot Annul to try to narrow down the list of possible reds... thinking that Annul + Tack would die last night instead of Annul + Annul. | ||
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On March 30 2011 06:08 Coagulation wrote: tons of people have been defending tack vehemently since i first accused him. they just dont want to stand out on a pretty little list. coincidence? I defended him till someone actually put up a case against him. Sorry but "your scum because I say so" isn't a case. and isn't a reason to lynch anyone. | ||
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On March 30 2011 06:09 Coagulation wrote: its ok man we will talk about that after the lynch. Coag added this "also for future games to think about When you "..." the end of every sentence it makes you look like your apprehensive and leaving stuff out. pretty big scumtell probably shouldnt do it anymore." Nothing else was changed. Just wanted to put that up there so he doesn't get mod killed. He added, didn't remove... This shows the original for posterity sake. | ||
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On March 30 2011 07:28 LSB wrote: Don't ask questions. Hunt Scum. everyone just go to random.org put the max number as 3. if you get a: 1 - vote tack 2 - vote lemon 3 - vote jackal Who ever the gods wants to die, is who dies! (or we can just not do that... its up to you guys) | ||
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On March 30 2011 07:33 Jackal58 wrote: And sorry Twinkles but the engagement is canceled. You simply don't trust me enough. WOAH, them be fighting words! On March 30 2011 07:33 Jackal58 wrote: Twinkles And he even used your endearing nickname and pssssst jackal, you should of total let him marry you, then divorced him for half his bus. Your loss. | ||
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On March 30 2011 08:37 CubEdIn wrote: @Insanious: no, it just takes two hits to kill him > True, but town doesn't have two kp. | ||
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just wanted to make sure, then it doesn't matter who dies. Although, this would mean that coag could shoot jackal, and blues could kill tack if lemon flips green... | ||
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On March 30 2011 08:53 Insanious wrote: we also need to take care of tnkted... he can mess up anything due to scum mind control. unless you have a plan for that, then its all good | ||
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On March 30 2011 09:23 Kavdragon wrote: People who are nagging Bum: If you'll just listen to what he's saying, you'll see that it doesn't matter which of the two is scum! If you have a plan for both possibilities, why would you waste your time trying to figure out which one is more likely? If the outcome is the same either way, why spend the effort figuring which way to do it, when you could spend that time doing something else! No one is perfect, so quit with the personal attacks. Remember who voted him in. Just because he doesn't spam incessantly and posting stream-of-concious all the time doesn't mean he's not here and working. You gave him your trust, so don't callously throw it away. /rant because if we get the red now, then we don't need to waste the KP and can kill other scum at night... or try to. | ||
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On March 30 2011 09:45 GMarshal wrote: [spectral voice] more visitors soon, this is good, one gets lonely out here, in the vast cold of the mafia forums [/spectral voice] GMarshal you make me smile... and for that I will not call the ghost busters. | ||
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It was Tack 13 lemon 13 meaning lemon had +1 votes Then Eii came along and made it Tack 14 Lemon 13 + hidden vote = 14 tie... I made it Tack 15 lemon 12 + hidden vote = 15/13 jesus | ||
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On March 30 2011 11:01 Kenpachi wrote: BUT LEMON WAS STILL IN THE LEAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDD no he wasn't Eiii made him not in the lead | ||
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OK here, here are the games that i've played in totalwar.org where: 1) http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132167-Council-of-Villains-A-State-of-Corruption-Concluded in this game, day 1: if there is a tie, then only players from faction 1 die, day 2 only players from faction 2 die, etc... This resulted in an accidental double lynch day 1 2) http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?133476-Visions-of-the-Animus-In-Session In this game, ties result in no deaths at all - - - - I haven't played that many mafia games, and have yet to see a tie in a TL game. | ||
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On March 30 2011 11:07 Kenpachi wrote: Its the norm. If a game is nolynch on ties, it would specify At totalwar people don't ever reveal their set up. Meaning you have no idea what rules you are playing by until stuff happens. I've never seen a tie at TL before... this is my 4th game here, and this is the first tie. | ||
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On March 30 2011 11:13 Kavdragon wrote: So, now do people believe my analysis of Insanious? You analyzed me calling me scum for defending Tack... So now I'm scum for defending and killing him, i can't win, awesome. | ||
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No one listened... Now I die because I lynched him like the town wanted... awesome. | ||
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On March 30 2011 11:16 LSB wrote: Criminal Activity: Moderate Um... I think this means that the +vote was one from a scum. Black or Red = important. If its from Red, it means jackal is scum... just saying. | ||
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On March 30 2011 11:22 Jackal58 wrote: See that's the thing. It really doesn't matter who I pissed off. It doesn't really matter who gets lynched. I know Coag is town Lynching Lemon or Tack doesn't matter. Kill me tonight protect Coag. How that happens I don't really give a shit. If Tack flips green it doesn't matter. Kill me protect Coag. Town wins items. I don't give two shits if I live or not. I refuse to allow scum to have DT items. They get them they will win. Scum will not win any game I'm in if I can do anything to prevent it. Sorry Tack. But the sad truth is I don't care what your alignment is. I know Coag is town. Either you or Lemon need to die. Coag believes Lemon is town. I can't get his support if I threw Lemons name against the wall to see what sticks so I threw yours. It's not personal. Hell it probably doesn't even seem logical. But it is. I need one of you to die. I didn't really care which of you it was. I didn't really care how that person would flip. What I do care about is town winning. I'm town. I refuse to lose as town. I've done pretty fucking good making town win over my last 3 games. I've also pissed off alot of townies and scum doing it. I don't care. The mantra is "Play to win" The mantra isn't "Play not to lose" The difference is balls. After tomorrows day post kill whoever isn't coag if Tack flips green tack flipped green | ||
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he meant for the last 100 pages, not just now... | ||
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.That hurt my feelings. | ||
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On March 30 2011 11:38 kitaman27 wrote: No personal attacks. Careful, this is the second time this has been brought up. I was just joking.... I'm a big boy I can take some criticism. The people in here are a lot nicer to me then the ones in the NASL player thread, those guys are NASTY. | ||
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:'( jackal, i thought we had a thing... it was a love hate relationship... mostly hate, but it was something. Now you're just throwing it all away, I can't believe you. *storms off into the rainy night* | ||
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Thanks sweetie, I can still call you that right? <3 | ||
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From: Lemonwalrus [ 4469 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Date: 3/27/11 10:14 You keep making slips man, it is calling so much heat that we don't need. You could have at least waited for a lynch. Unless this is all part of the plan and I should just continue trusting you. Which is my intention. | ||
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On March 30 2011 12:02 chaoser wrote: Why do all those PMs seem scummy as fuck because lemon is scum and coag was blinded by his noob roommate that he thought could never lie to him. | ||
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On March 30 2011 12:13 Coagulation wrote: I will let town decide. it doesn't matter... Mafia is going to shoot both the players that are not mafia. Town is going to kill who every they think is mafia Black is going to kill who every they think is mafia Everyone in item game should die... either that or coag lives and jackal and lemon die, either or. | ||
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[QUOTE]On March 30 2011 21:07 Jackal58 wrote: Decon kiss my ass. If tackster wasn't your room mate you wouldn't give two shits. [/QUOTE] XXXV: Annul tunneled LSB day one with no case. I was the only one that defended him. Town sheeped cos annul shouted louder, LSB the veteran was lynched. [quote/] That's a lie, I was the one that defended LSB in that game deconduo. Don't steal my accomplishments. I even appologized to LSB at the end of the day. | ||
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I PM'ed him an appology for not shouting loud enough, and LSB complimented my play that day. | ||
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On March 31 2011 03:52 deconduo wrote: -_- I get no love, from XXXV: Btw Brocket was town too, and I was one of only 3 voting for annul. Then mafia killed me that night. brocket was red in XXXV... you need a better memory. Annul was also red. | ||
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On March 31 2011 09:58 kitaman27 wrote: Night actions lock at 11pm EST. Night post will come at 11pm or later. 11pm? Did night/day change... because its been 10pm est for last 2 day/night cycles. | ||
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*hides* | ||
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And pandain isn't even playing, how the hell can pandain even vote when he isn't playing, unless its a role... | ||
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On March 31 2011 11:58 Lanaia wrote: Does that mean everyone in the arena is town? Pandain is a bot, and I assume Me and Brownbear had the same role so yes. We were actually another faction with a separate win condition. But now, LSB changed our roles because Brownbear was so inactive *shakes fist*. This was our role: Original Message From kitaman27: Hi you are the Village Idiot! You hate BrownBear, you hate him very much. In order to win you have to lynch BrownBear. Remember, lynch, not kill. BrownBear had the opposite (to kill me). We are now normal towns, but in the arena. If he had not been inactive, I would of been focused on trying to kill him day 1 and then would of won the game, laughing to the bank. But now, I'm a town... so time to hunt scum .Also, I'm thinking BB and me should kill the pandain bot, and we need to discuss who to pull into the arena... | ||
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On March 31 2011 12:00 LSB wrote: The Arena game has been put on hold well crap... /wrists. Awesome, I role claimed when I shouldn't of. | ||
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On March 31 2011 23:33 Lanaia wrote: There's something that Insanious said that partially bothers me. This means the assassin as well could also have a separate wincon (which would be to kill the king), and as I'm assuming it's a daykill, we can't have the king protected, can we? I mean, if I'm wrong, let me know. This is what makes the most sense to me and I feel that as soon as we finish the IG we should try to take care of this guy, no? Also @Insanious did you have a separate alignment or were you still just town? I was given the "you are town and sit tight" Allignment PM. But then was given the role of Village Idiot with the new win condition. I PM'ed Kitaman and basically: If BrownBear died by anything but a lynch I instantly lost the game. If I killed him by lynch I won the game. Meaning this win condition overrid (overrode? w/e) the original town win condition as I was never given a "You must kill all anti-town factions" win condition. I have since gained the town win condition now that my role has changed to be in the arena. | ||
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Also BB died so that me and Pandain can has a SC2 battle over our votes tomorrow... Simply because, who ever wins the BO3 gets control of the other persons' vote. As such, If I win, I can kill who ever I want in the arena game, same thing if pandain wins. | ||
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On April 04 2011 09:15 tnkted wrote: I think insanious black because of the saving tack slip and also because all of his posts in the black market are written VERY similar to his posts in here. He has a very persuasive, aggressive style of writing that is difficult to hide. I wasn't in the black market game... so what posts are these? Quote please... I HAVE NEVER BEEN SCUM IN ANY MAFIA GAME I HAVE EVER BEEN IN. I am playing the EXACT same was as mafia XXXV where I was town, as well as Pokemafia where I was town, and Death Factory Mafia where I was town. I am town. As well, in the arena. Me and Pandain are battling over Beneather Bot's vote. Who ever gets the highest score in tetris wins his vote. Basically, if Pandain wins he kills me, if I win I kill him... or the bot. If you want, I can just let Pandain win the testris vote then kill me to prove I'm town. | ||
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On April 04 2011 10:51 Pandain wrote: Wtf? You kill me? I thought you just get my vote. AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW SHITTTTTTTTTTTTT Edit: onoes 8 minutes lol we are just battling over votes, but who ever wins gets to kill who ever they wanted, I assumed u'd kill me instead of the bot. If i assumed wrong that's cool and we can just kill the beneather bot | ||
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On April 05 2011 02:15 Kavdragon wrote: Lol, that's why I was confused. BP-ness has traditionally not worked during the day, and hasn't stopped bombs, no? As far as blacks go, I'll try to make some time today to get in analysis, but Jackal has already mentioned several of the points that make me think that Tnkted is black HERE. It depends on the rules that LSB uses... People are assuming he is using regular TL rules in his INSANE MAFIA game... Its INSANE, its different. This is why he isn't answering some questions and we are finding out mechanics as we go... 99% of the rules of this mafia game are different than every other game of mafia on TL. This is how games on totalwar.org are played, so I'm used to it... but its odd here I guess. I'm just suprised there was no jester role in this game. | ||
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To be fair, I was the reason the Arena was started. I PM'ed LSB about my role, since it was pretty much impossible due to BrownBear lurking so hard, there was no way I could lynch him. If he died in anyway that wasn't a lynch, I would just leave the game, period. So I told him "My win condition is impossible, and not that fun because of it..." Which, since day 1 I thought my win condition was impossible, so that's part of the reason I played like I didn't care if I died or not .So then LSB said he would change mine and BB's role. - - - - - So come to the Arena being started. Original Post = Me + BrownBear + Pandain Bot 2 minutes later Edit: = Me + BrownBear + RoL - - - - - Pandain Bot was NEVER part of the Arena really. He was in for 2 minutes, then he edited him after I role claimed. Look at the time between my role claim and RoL being put into the arena. It is 2 minutes. Meaning he changed it as I was posting. - - - - Then RoL Left and was replaced by Pandain. Meaning the Arena was: Me + BB + Pandain. - - - - Now, read the OP, and see what happens to players that leave the game? READ IT, they are turned into BOTS. meaning Pandain was playing as RoL BOT. - - - - SO then ME + Pandain kill BB in order to SC2 it up... Then Beneather bot is added to the arena. beneather left the game and was a bot at this time. - - - - - Beneather bot then gave me and Pandain the tetris chanllenge since it was a bot and could never vote on its own. - - - - Pandain killed me in arena. - - - - Arena then has: 1) RoL Bot (aka. Pandain) 2) Beneather Bot 100% of participants = Bots, no living players. LSB Banking kills the arena killing Pandain and Beneather. - - - - - After the arena ended, if you would of read the op you would of under stood why. Pandain never replaced RoL. Pandain was the AI in the RoL Bot. So when I died, Pandain and Beneather died since there was no one else to play with them. This mechanic was perfectly fair when considering what was in the OP. | ||
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On April 09 2011 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: LSB confirmed that Pandain wasn't actually a bot, but was a player. He turned into a bot for failing to vote. wait failing to vote when? | ||
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Because if he just killed me... /not impressed | ||
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On April 09 2011 09:33 LSB wrote: Pandain beat you at tetris so he got the vote. And the bot played the mafia maneuver and killed the confirmed townie. Lol @Rol/Amber complaining that I subed him out. Also lol at them trying to argue that it was imba That isn't the mafia thing though... He didn't know if beneather was town/black. beneather was 50% green / 50% black Killing black > killing green. So killing beneather is the statistically better option... but whatever. | ||
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