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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Chaoser mentioned he would sheep town on the mayoral vote - I personally cannot support a mayor that would leave anything up to chance, even an election. Woah woah, I didn't say I'd sheep town. I said I'd allow for a town vote which most people said instead of being a cowboy and just picking my own. The reason is to be as transparent as possible. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
I will vote bum. If someone cc's him, I will keep running and not vote him. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
yeah i was initially skeptical. but it looks likes hes telling the truth now. | ||
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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
Chaoser in the previous you said: chaoser United States. March 24 2011 13:01. Posts 2183 I will follow town's vote. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
And yes, I will be putting lots of analysis together of course. | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
On March 25 2011 05:18 Tackster wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8419078 Chaoser in the previous you said: Do you mean in the previous game? People who didn't play in other games don't have any context for quotes like that, you shouldn't be bringing that in. Do you mean this game? I haven't seen him say what you posted at all. | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Let's say I'm red and that's the platform I'm running on. Two players are both being argued about. One is mafia, one is town. If I lynch the town, what does that say about anyone's arguments for or against the two? Nothing, red could just argue that we should lynch mafia strongly cause they know at the end of the day I wouldn't lynch him. Having a vote ties your argument to an actual piece of information. I can argue all day long for someone but if I don't vote for him, that's pretty scummy. | ||
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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
I apologise for my noob-ish-nessy-osity,,, | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
On March 25 2011 05:27 Tackster wrote: EBWOP: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8419606 is the actual link. I apologise for my noob-ish-nessy-osity,,, Okay, sorry, I thought you were making something up. | ||
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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
So I retract the accusation of sheeping. However I do believe that voting yourself rather than leaving it up to town is very important. With a self decided vote we have a chance at killing the bad guys based on your skills (even if your mafia the chance of hitting town d1 are high and so not much lost). If instead you leave it up to town we're no longer letting skills decide but persuasive power. Again I'd rather rely on your skills and hope you're not mafia then fight the mafia's conniving ability to affect votes! | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
But a blue mouth with longevity would be really useful to have. So even if there is a CC, I propose we lynch the CCer first, and then bum if the CC flips blue. I mean its been long enough that any CC has to be doubtful, right? | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
I like that Tackster is being methodical about this, but I will say it right now, if there are no counter-claims, I'll be highly suspicious of anyone who keeps claiming that picking bum is a bad idea. In fact, it's such a GOOD idea I was actually going over the rules a few times to make sure there's no slip from the mod that would allow a confirmed townie to get picked as mayor. While I do admit that the blue team MIGHT be a bunch of afk-ers or too dumb to counter-claim (sorry, but it's true), you all must accept that that's a very small possibility. | ||
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
And considering that, from what i've seen, Chaoser is way to impulsive (not sure if that's the word, i mean letting emotions cloud your clear thinking) and arrogant/proud, i don't trust him as a Mayor. Therefore, i'm going to make myself a candidate aswell. - I'm going to decide day 1 lynch by everyone getting 1 vote (obviously including myself), exactly how a normal lynch would go. - I will continue to speak my mind and do the analysis i always do (a person-by-person analysis taking into account everything said regarding/by them). - I will not give my vote to RoL blindly. I realize that i'm rather unknown on TL Mafia, and that DF mafia made me look like a fucking moron the way i let myself get played, but that will NOT happen again. | ||
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On March 25 2011 05:40 CubEdIn wrote: @ annul: if you think for one second that a team of black would give up ALL 4 members in order to out 4 blues (and possibly kill 1), and completely throw away their chances of winning, during which they give red a significant advantage, then you're out of your mind. They have different winning conditions (reds and blacks), so the only teams that would want to work together is greens and blues. I like that Tackster is being methodical about this, but I will say it right now, if there are no counter-claims, I'll be highly suspicious of anyone who keeps claiming that picking bum is a bad idea. In fact, it's such a GOOD idea I was actually going over the rules a few times to make sure there's no slip from the mod that would allow a confirmed townie to get picked as mayor. While I do admit that the blue team MIGHT be a bunch of afk-ers or too dumb to counter-claim (sorry, but it's true), you all must accept that that's a very small possibility. Did you even read his post? His worries are more Bum being red then black. He realizes that for black this'd be suicide. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
I'm pretty much impervious to flames and hate getting into grudge arguments so use logic or state your case but don't bother to emotionally manipulate me, i'll just take it as scummy. Shut up, you're ugly! | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On March 25 2011 05:42 Rean wrote: Did you even read his post? His worries are more Bum being red then black. He realizes that for black this'd be suicide. Oh right, and it's MUCH better for reds to lose 4 people, get left with 2 against 4 blacks who are bulletproof + town, assuming they would even be able to kill the four blues who will obviously be defended by medics. You're right, it MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE FOR RED! | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 25 2011 05:40 CubEdIn wrote: @ annul: if you think for one second that a team of black would give up ALL 4 members in order to out 4 blues (and possibly kill 1), and completely throw away their chances of winning, during which they give red a significant advantage, then you're out of your mind. They have different winning conditions (reds and blacks), so the only teams that would want to work together is greens and blues. I like that Tackster is being methodical about this, but I will say it right now, if there are no counter-claims, I'll be highly suspicious of anyone who keeps claiming that picking bum is a bad idea. In fact, it's such a GOOD idea I was actually going over the rules a few times to make sure there's no slip from the mod that would allow a confirmed townie to get picked as mayor. While I do admit that the blue team MIGHT be a bunch of afk-ers or too dumb to counter-claim (sorry, but it's true), you all must accept that that's a very small possibility. I'm going to sit on my vote until role PMs are sent out. I did Bum a disservice confusing him with play from XXXVII that wasn't his. But I'm still concerned about voting a mayor that let his alignment slip that easily. | ||
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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
CubEdIn Romania. March 25 2011 05:44. Posts 4069 Oh, almost forgot: + Show Spoiler + I'm pretty much impervious to flames and hate getting into grudge arguments so use logic or state your case but don't bother to emotionally manipulate me, i'll just take it as scummy. Shut up, you're ugly! /add_to_scum_list CubEdin :ays | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
For me, this is really between Kav and bum. At the moment, I'm trying to figure out how much I want to trust bum's blue claim. So far, he is uncontested, which possibly bodes well for him being a true blue. However, as others have stated, and I've been considering, there is still the possibility of his being scum, even with no counterclaim. It really comes down to the likelihood of Blues wanting to make a 1-1 trade so early in the game, and before roles have even been given. I am assuming, since everyone will have a power, that blues will be much stronger than greens. There is also a disparity between the number of powerful town roles (Blues) and scum in this game, and while I personally feel analysis is a far stronger tool, most of the TL towns I've been in have been reverent of Blue's power, often to the point of reliance (Eg: XXXV). So just applying metagame, it seems unusual a blue would be willing to put himself out there so quickly and prominently. I see this either as a power move by the blues (as most people are assuming), or as a cunning play by scum. A lot of my suspicion comes from timing. Bum claimed before night 0 is over, and I would have trusted it a lot more if it was on Day 1, as he would have his role already. For example, bum could be scum, but conceivably a blue wouldn't bother to contest him until they get their roles, so they can use the weakest combination of role/player on their team to out him, which makes it harder for them, considering the amount of time bum has been uncontested, which can also be used for a WIFOM argument from him. Kav on the other hand, has no real assurances that he is not scum. So far, his posting has seemed pro-town, but he hasn't really expounded on any of his views besides that he wants to stay alive to analyze and direct the town. I've had first-hand experience with him as mayor, working closely with him in XXXVI, so I know that he is a very capable and active player. Before I'd vote for him though, I'd need to hear more about what he'd do Day 1 lynch, and what other things he'd try to do with his longevity. So, in short, I feel both Bum and Kav would make good mayors. Kav based on personal experience with him, and Bum on the condition of being blue. I'm still trying to evaluate the likelihood of a Night 0 blue claim though, because I really don't like the timing, and would like to see if there are counterclaims Day 1. Hopefully if Bum isn't blue, someone would eventually counterclaim, because blues wouldn't want to let scum become mayor. I also don't think the lack of Night 0 counterclaims really strengthens his claim in any way, because as I've said, blues probably wouldn't counterclaim until Day 1 anyways, when they can make a much better choice of counterclaiming player. | ||
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