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On March 25 2011 05:46 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 05:42 Rean wrote:On March 25 2011 05:40 CubEdIn wrote:
@ annul: if you think for one second that a team of black would give up ALL 4 members in order to out 4 blues (and possibly kill 1), and completely throw away their chances of winning, during which they give red a significant advantage, then you're out of your mind. They have different winning conditions (reds and blacks), so the only teams that would want to work together is greens and blues.
I like that Tackster is being methodical about this, but I will say it right now, if there are no counter-claims, I'll be highly suspicious of anyone who keeps claiming that picking bum is a bad idea. In fact, it's such a GOOD idea I was actually going over the rules a few times to make sure there's no slip from the mod that would allow a confirmed townie to get picked as mayor.
While I do admit that the blue team MIGHT be a bunch of afk-ers or too dumb to counter-claim (sorry, but it's true), you all must accept that that's a very small possibility. Did you even read his post? His worries are more Bum being red then black. He realizes that for black this'd be suicide. Oh right, and it's MUCH better for reds to lose 4 people, get left with 2 against 4 blacks who are bulletproof + town, assuming they would even be able to kill the four blues who will obviously be defended by medics. You're right, it MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE FOR RED!
READ. I'm not saying it's good for red either, i'm just pointing something out.
Besides, if Bum is red: blue counter-claims to stop him from taking mayor, then red would just leave it at that because giving away 2 red names to the blue party AND the black party would be very dangerous.
But the most important thing of all here is, IMO: No-one knows their roles yet. Red could be risking their most powerful member of all if Bum is infact red, but blue wouldn't be risking nearly as much putting Bum out there since he'd be confirmed town if no-one counterclaims, and if someone does and he ends up not getting mayor, he can get medic attention still.
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omg I'm told I can't even edit to fix an emoticon....
And it was gonna be funny too:
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So I'm going to reserve final judgment until roles have been sent out, and more time has passed.
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What wiggles said is obv the strongest strategy.
Tbh if I was Bum and was willing to out I would have waited until roles were distributed. However if he's uncced i'm going to SERIOUSLY lose respect for anyone that says he's red/black.
Also if a cc is on the way and blues are waiting for role outing before they do I applaud their good sense.
The only way he could be if he's uncced is if ALL the blues are complete afkers or morons. In the which case the game was probably lost to start with.
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What I'm wondering is what if bum isn't blue and blue isn't around/isn't paying enough attention to cc him. Is that possible? For example, there are still some people who are inactive and that guy who is banned.
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On March 25 2011 06:01 Lanaia wrote:
What I'm wondering is what if bum isn't blue and blue isn't around/isn't paying enough attention to cc him. Is that possible? For example, there are still some people who are inactive and that guy who is banned.
I'm not sure about that. That would mean 4 players, all blue, are all inactive. Like I said, I really wouldn't expect a counterclaim until day 1 at least. Let's say, there are 4 blues, and these are their roles and skills:
Blue #1: 3 shot day/night vig
Blue #2: Veteran
Blue #3: Medic
Blue #4: Mad Hatter
So, barring any huge discrepancies in scum hunting ability, the Blues would be likely to send out the Veteran before the other players, but if they sent out a player to counterclaim before Day 1, there is a high likelihood they'd send out one of their players with a stronger, more useful ability. It would be reckless.
Also, Darmo's unbanned now.
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On March 25 2011 04:02 iGrok wrote:
Suppose 2 people remain in the item game, 1 scum and 1 town, and both are killed at night - who gets the item?
No one
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On March 25 2011 06:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 06:01 Lanaia wrote:
What I'm wondering is what if bum isn't blue and blue isn't around/isn't paying enough attention to cc him. Is that possible? For example, there are still some people who are inactive and that guy who is banned. I'm not sure about that. That would mean 4 players, all blue, are all inactive. Like I said, I really wouldn't expect a counterclaim until day 1 at least. Let's say, there are 4 blues, and these are their roles and skills: Blue #1: 3 shot day/night vig Blue #2: Veteran Blue #3: Medic Blue #4: Mad Hatter So, barring any huge discrepancies in scum hunting ability, the Blues would be likely to send out the Veteran before the other players, but if they sent out a player to counterclaim before Day 1, there is a high likelihood they'd send out one of their players with a stronger, more useful ability. It would be reckless. Also, Darmo's unbanned now.
Doesn't this go both ways though? If red/black intends to CC, they'd wait until day 1 so they don't need to risk sending out their most powerful member.
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Poll: How long do you want day 1 to be?48 Hours (14) 70% 24 Hours (6) 30% 20 total votes Your vote: How long do you want day 1 to be? (Vote): 48 Hours
(Vote): 24 Hours
This has been edited into the OP also
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On March 25 2011 06:10 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 06:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 25 2011 06:01 Lanaia wrote:
What I'm wondering is what if bum isn't blue and blue isn't around/isn't paying enough attention to cc him. Is that possible? For example, there are still some people who are inactive and that guy who is banned. I'm not sure about that. That would mean 4 players, all blue, are all inactive. Like I said, I really wouldn't expect a counterclaim until day 1 at least. Let's say, there are 4 blues, and these are their roles and skills: Blue #1: 3 shot day/night vig Blue #2: Veteran Blue #3: Medic Blue #4: Mad Hatter So, barring any huge discrepancies in scum hunting ability, the Blues would be likely to send out the Veteran before the other players, but if they sent out a player to counterclaim before Day 1, there is a high likelihood they'd send out one of their players with a stronger, more useful ability. It would be reckless. Also, Darmo's unbanned now. Doesn't this go both ways though? If red/black intends to CC, they'd wait until day 1 so they don't need to risk sending out their most powerful member.
I guess it would work both ways, but I still think Blues would like to wait until Day 1. Keep in mind, everyone has roles in this set-up, and scum has extra abilities too, like KP and bulletproof-ness, so Blue roles are likely to be very powerful in comparison to town and possibly scum roles too. I'm still standing by what I said, I'm not going to trust Bum's claim until roles have gone out and more time has passed. If we approach the end of day 1, and no one has counterclaimed, he is most likely Blue, but I'm not going to trust him more simply for being uncontested night 0, when there is a huge lack of information.
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United States22154 Posts
MORE TIME IS BETTER FOR TOWN!!!
Anyone voting 24 hours is SCUM.
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United States22154 Posts
Seriously, the sooner night comes the less information we have to analize, we want the day to be long, more posts = more chance of scum slipping up.
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Darmousseh's Mayoral Campaign
First off, I am unbanned. The person who banned me was the god of liquidpedia. Thus, I feel a certain connection to liquidpedia that no one else can claim. Specifically, I want revenge. I want to kill those mafia bastards so badly that they give up as quickly as possible.
Secondly, I am in the item game, it is very important that a townie win the item game. Also, statistically speaking it's better to choose someone from the item game since there is a higher percentage of townies.
Thirdly, I am a man with a plan. In 2 games I have come up with plans. Mini Mafia V I made a plan, I was backstabbed which caused the loss. In Death Factory Mafia I planned to hunt down mafia with my ability, but I got banned by the god of liquidpedia. It is time for the citizens of liquidpedia to rise up against their master and take destiny in their own hands.
Obviously, since I got a late start, that it is highly unlikely I will get voted in, but if you want someone new, someone you know will make a plan and stick to it, vote for me.
Vote For Revenge, Vote for Town, Vote Darmousseh
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On March 25 2011 06:19 darmousseh wrote:
Secondly, I am in the item game, it is very important that a townie win the item game. Also, statistically speaking it's better to choose someone from the item game since there is a higher percentage of townies.
Randomly picking someone from item-game: 66% chance it hits a townie.
Randomly picking someone from entire list: 66% chance you hit a town-aligned player, with it being even better to hit a blue then a green.
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darm have you read? Can you give your opinions first please?
Your campaign is kinda crappy as well... "I have had 2 plans, both of which would totally have worked except I died" is kinda bad imo
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Jesus people, giving RoL sole rights to the lynch was a joke. If he comes out and says "This person is mafia 100%", I'm going to let town mull it over with whatever opinions they have. The lynch is in the town hands and I'll be taking note of all those who chime in on what it is going to be.
And I never slipped as town. I was obviously going to be the mayor candidate for our blue squad before I even mentioned it to town.
The only thin I really want to prove now is my scum-hunting abilities, and we've generated a lot of discussion and nearly everyone has taken a stance on something.
People I want to hear more from:
darmousseh - was recently temp banned and re-reading thread. So when-ever he is ready.
OriginalName - Said he's going to be inactive friday-staurday a bit, but he hasn't made up for that stretch yet.
Kenpachi - Ran for mayor, hasn't said anything since then... lol
annul - Very outspoken against me, but he isn't giving alternatives
orgolove - He's going to be inactive as well, but he's basically mimicked annul, with no alternatives.
kevconism - POST BRO
GGQ - Kenpachi syndrome
ilovejonn - opinions on things that are relevant please.
Amberlight - good players shouldn't be silent 
BrownBear - Relevant posts, but you're an active poster usually, so I expect a stance too.
Beneather - POOOOOSTTTT
Insanious - opinions on what is relevant
Eiii - post
Well, I think everyone else has given acceptable thoughts on the issues. If you want to make life easy for me, put a @bum for anything directed at me and I will respond as soon as possible. I'll read through again and see if I can clear up more stuff like this garbage about me slipping? Point to the slip if it's obvious, otherwise don't take what I say out of context, that could go badly for you. I only said it would be fairly obvious I was blue because I brought up the plan and initiated it. I think I would have gone ahead with it anyway because my blue team was on board.
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My opinion will come when roles have been sent. I haven't played Insane games before but I'm very certain when roles are sent out quite a few things will be very different..
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And yes, if you must know, I have good feelings about Kav because of his scum-hunting abilities, and of course bum's campaign.
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On March 25 2011 06:26 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 06:19 darmousseh wrote:
Secondly, I am in the item game, it is very important that a townie win the item game. Also, statistically speaking it's better to choose someone from the item game since there is a higher percentage of townies.
Randomly picking someone from item-game: 66% chance it hits a townie. Randomly picking someone from entire list: 66% chance you hit a town-aligned player, with it being even better to hit a blue then a green.
Oops, i fail at math!
I don't know, i'm just angry I was banned and I want to do something interesting.
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@Bum now you're saying that instead of giving RoL the lynch you're giving us the lynch??
The whole point of you being elected was a clear role that wouldn't by swayed by mafia. When you decide to lynch take your own scumhunting abilities into account and try not to let mafia influence you too much when you read the posts on who to lynch.
DONT leave the lynch up to a town vote.... Then we're trading any point of you being clear with the mafia's ability to influence town.
Just say you're gonna take our votes into account but make your own decision and reserve the right to shoot who you want. It's the pro-town thing to do!
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