EPT? of ? Medics remain
Do medics have the fanatic ability as well as the protection ability?
Mini Mafia VII: Guts and Glory
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Amber[LighT]
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? of ? Medics remain Do medics have the fanatic ability as well as the protection ability? | ||
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if this is going to start soonish | ||
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On February 17 2011 07:41 Ace wrote: nice setup! Good luck lynching any fanatics though! oops did I reveal a strategy there! After the first suspect blows himself up suspect no. 2 (who will also be a fanatic) will have to be lynched  | ||
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On February 17 2011 07:46 Ace wrote: If the first suspect is a fanatic why wouldn't he just blow up suspect #2  Or why not everyone roleclaim on Day 1 :D Everyone knows suspect #2 won't even be discussed once suspect #1 blows up something, and because he feels betrayed he won't follow the town plan, so suspect #5 will die (randomness wooo). It will be like suspect #10 to be the 2nd lynch, you know, the person that hasn't prodded anybody at all but is a good target because it's too easy to go the inactive route. And regardless of the flip the town greets you like a hero for the amazing analysis of suspect #10. I'd be willing to bet on this scenario happening at least once in the 2 days this game will take. | ||
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On February 17 2011 19:09 Barundar wrote: Whatever, as long as you use it to pressure people first. And don't blow up our medic. Seems like the most experienced people in this game are LunarDestiny, Deconduo, amberlight and Chaoser. I bet either amber or chaoser is the godfather This is so so so so so so important. Treat yourself as a game decider when you want to blow yourself up. When you do this, you are pretty much cutting the towns numbers down by 1/4 on Day 1 if you mess up, and then again by a 1/3 or 2/5 [depending on our lynching abilities]. Everyone should get their behavioral analysis hats on and start thinking about 4 players. I'm going to assume that there is only 1 medic in this game, since anymore than that would probably be broken for the town. Why? Simple. Role claiming would be a slightly less risky plan with multiple medics since there is less risk of losing our protection abilities as the days continue. Okay so now you want to focus on finding 4 players. 3 of them should be your potential mafia players. Easier said than done right? The other is who you think is the medic. Keep tabs on all of these players. Try to do your best to save your medic pick without vocalizing that you think 'player x is who I think is the medic!' With that said... I'm still interested in hearing from Deconduo since he's been rather quiet. I think once we hit the first 24 hours it would be safe to say he's lurking. It's weird because he posted an hour before the game started, but since he's from Europe I'm going to give him a pass on that since he most likely went to sleep by time everything started. Chaoser is another one I want to hear about. He's been quiet and his only post has been "lawl." He didn't seem very intent on creating a strategy for us to follow aside from laughing. Lynch suspects for Day 1? I would start with those 2. Chaoser would probably be my bet as of right now since he hasn't contributed after the Coag thing, which people were kinda getting upset about. It's not like he actually exploded! We can't sit around and discuss useless information or play-styles. This isn't exactly innovative Coagulation play it's pretty much normal from what I remember of his style. | ||
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On February 18 2011 23:17 Barundar wrote: Agreed with deconduo, i usually wake up to pages. This is not the usual day 1 FoS circus for sure. My problem with LunarDestiny's post is it's build up as a "here are my thoughts on 3 important people", but really it ends up not saying anything about them. The coag bit could be: I'm watching for if coag has actually changed his play", GMarshal... well he doesn't say anything about him, and the Chaoser bit sounds defensive. So I have to wonder, why does he post a for him pretty long post without any content? I find it suspecious, even if it doesn't mean he is mafia. Earlier I posted a list of deconduo, LunarDestiny chaoser and Amber[light] as the most experienced, and there is bound to be a mafia in there. The chaoser vs Deconduo fight looks a lot like 2 townies fighting to me. Chaoser's posts where short and emotional, quite different from his long posts in mini mafia V, and deconduo went after him fearlessly, I'm pretty certain mafia would be more careful not to piss off people in a setup like this. That leaves Amber and LunarD. Amber has not responded to my questions to his posts, and LunarD made a very fast FoS on Coagulation, and later a suspeciously empty post. So LunarD, what do you think of Amber's posting behavior, and Amber are you sticking with Chaoser and Deconduo as suspects still? I'm not suspicious of Deconduo anymore. He's clearly helping out now and my only problem was that he was inactive. Not really much of a basis to lynch anybody. I'm on the fence on Chaoser. On one hand we saw the completely useless joking posts that "irked" a bunch of people at the start, and it struck a nerve with me unconsciously, but I didn't want that to be "the only reason we lynched him." On the other hand I agree with his plan that we shouldn't lynch and bomb. It's actually one of the best ideas for us to follow; however we don't have much of a basis for lynching... but wait, YES WE DO. In my earlier post I stated that everyone should post a list of suspects. Specifically 3 suspects that you would believe to be on the mafia team. Wow isn't that swell? Now since we clearly don't have everybody on board with this plan it's not going to work. People were also asking "why," well it's simple. THis gives the town an opportunity to know what everybody is thinking. It also gives everybody an idea of who's suspicious of who. It's all out on the table. We can then discuss the suspects without any hiding. Deceit is going to suffocate this town. This also gives us a preliminary idea of our suspects. If there's too many random suspects (everybody picks 3 people in random orders) then we should go ahead and say that we're not ready to blow someone up. Lynching 1 person and then finding out he's just a townie is so much better than playing guessing games with 5+ potential targets. This also gives us some time before we begin voting and it's not going to be a surprise to the lynch candidate that he was chosen. If he's mafia then whatever... If he's a fanatic then hopefully he realizes that he should not try and be a hero and take someone with him. Don't forget just because we list suspects doesn't mean that we have found any mafia. It's still Day 1 and we need to recognize that as well. I would also say it's important that we agree on not using any suicides at all for Day 1. I really don't think we could be so certain that we're going to hit mafia by sacrificing one of our own tonight. Our odds are much lower than later on down the line, and I've stated this before. Now lets see... On February 18 2011 02:05 Barundar wrote: What criteria would you suggest for people to use when selecting 3 mafia, and why do you think it's necessary to guess on who the medic is? I've found that if you think someone is mafia, don't get distracted by trying to find connections to others, focus on one lynch at time. In my opinion it would be great if people posted 3 suspects, but without reasons it's not worth much? It's evening/afternoon in EU at the moment. I know deconduo likes to lurk when mafia Behavioral analysis. The backbone of playing mafia. Read up on it if you're not too great at it. We don't have a lot of posts to go through yet but the best way is to catch players when they make mistakes. Call them out. Players have already done that. Don't forget just because someone calls another player out doesn't mean they're automatically safe. If people don't give good reasoning then they should be looked at by other players. It's up to all of us to keep tabs on everybody in this game. I want players to begin thinking about who the medic could be. Don't say it in the thread. This way when you see that name pop up in a list you can start working to save him/her. Medic anonymity is key in this game. Best case scenario is that we lynch mafia today, then the medic has a 1/8 survival. Worst case scenario is someone gets upset, blows himself and another fanatic up, and we lynch a 3rd fanatic, making the medics survival rate 1/5 for night one. That's almost an 8% reduction!!! On February 18 2011 11:05 GMarshal wrote: so, since activity has died down, and I want people to post ##Unvote ##Vote Amber[LighT] please post, you have one post that looks constructive and then you vanish, when you vanish like that I have to wonder if you are off scheming with the anti town forces, so please post to reassure me Quality over quantity my friend. I'm learning to post with more meaning since I typically would get ignored in games with nonsensical banter. You are clearly not following my plan and just gunning me down. I won't hold it against you since I get fans voting for me every game. Since I don't want to disappoint I want to make sure I follow my own plan. I want to keep Chaoser on my list of suspects. I am putting him at the bottom of my list though. I like his idea but he hasn't come forward and helped identify scummy players. A lot of players seem to believe he's scummy too and have posted reasons and have called him out on it and he gets quite defensive. And the suicide defense is never a good defense. If we all did that we would never lynch anybody and wait for mafia to pick us all off. We need more. My most suspicious is definitely Jackal58. You FOS me without much defense. You call my initial post scummy. You won't even contribute other than useless one liners. And the kicker is that GGQ asked you to elaborate on my FOS and you refused to do so. You said it "has no substance." It's the only plan aside from Chaosers "don't lynch AND bomb" plan. You haven't posted anything better than what I have. That's textbook scumplay and that's actually something that RoL did to me in a past game IIRC. All you do is make simple refutes and then barely contribute. There's no way I can sit here and say to myself that you're around for the benefit of the town. You are not helping the town yet want to initiate a smear campaign against me? My number 2 would be Coagulation, and this is a weak suspicion as well. Him and Chaoser both did the "blow my self up defense" and I, at first, felt it was okay to let it slide, but then he did it again and if we need to make an example out of players then so be it. I really feel like, with Chaoser, that this is a weak suspicion and I would like to keep both of them around until tomorrow. There's not enough on Coag for me to say he's the most scummiest. I also feel like he's going to be an asset late game and we need him around. I believe we should lynch Jackal58 tonight, and not use any fanatic abilities. I would like the rest of the town to be on board with at least not using the fanatic ability. We only have a couple of pages of content and our most suspicious might be our best bet, but 2 and 3 on anybody's list right now is going to be weak since we haven't really dived into this game yet. Don't forget that it's still Day 1. If I missed something someone wants to know let me know. I didn't get the chance to post yesterday but I should be around periodically today. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
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I really don't think lynching anyone is a good idea, but maybe GGQ & GMarshall are right at this point. If we don't lynch we're losing the ability to take out a potential mafia. I also don't think our odds are that good, but I think GGQ went a little off-base with his "4v3" thing. Was that a mafia slip up? He seemed pretty confident that we're going to miss today if we lynch. I'm a little flattered that Jackal is still going after me, but it's really becoming annoying. It's so obvious that there's better candidates and he's convinced himself that I'm creating this elaborate scheme. He has no basis for voting for me and refutes EVERYTHING I say without much consideration. It's saddening to see someone play with such obvious scumtells. I've been saying this from the beginning yet people are ignoring him as a threat to the town. Darmo is beginning to get into Jackal territory. If you have a problem with my plans please start posting why and we can begin discussing them or you're going to be just as much of a suspect as Jackal is to me. Anyone know where Deconduo is at? He seemed to run off after this post. On February 19 2011 07:05 deconduo wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote No lynch Obviously this will change if one of them is red. Why not just wait until LSB posted the flip and then decide what to post? It only happened about 1 1/2 hrs after Deconduo made that post. I placed him on my list of suspects for his inactivity and then removed him, but he's yet to come around and start talking. I mean look at his posting history. It's less than stellar and after a re-read I'm nervous that he's actually scum. He wasn't the biggest Chaoser fan as well and banked on the LD/Chaoser explosion, yet did nothing to stop it. He was against people blowing themselves up so why would he just sit back and let them explode like that? I'm done being pushed around. If we have any chance of winning we need to get the scummiest players taken out. You have been harassing my plans and ideas and have done nothing to unify the town, justify any actions, or explain specifically your issues with any suggestions or list of suspects that I have. You either don't want to comment and mess up by tipping off the rest of the town who your scum-buddies are, or you're playing bad. I'm banking on the former. ##vote: Jackal58 | ||
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On February 19 2011 14:45 GMarshal wrote: While I too find Jackal frustrating, I would hold off on lynching him, if he really is town then I can practically guarantee he'll kamikaze tomorrow as he seems convinced you are mafia, instead vote to lynch Coagulation, he hasn't posted any contributions at all, or Original Name who claims he is too busy right now (which could be true, its also an excellent excuse to lurk) I agree with you completely, but this is something I can't ignore. THe last time I did this scum got away and I was killed. It's upsetting to think that someone is going to be able to get away with what seems to be the most obvious scum tells that I've ever seen, and I don't want this to go unnoticed. | ||
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On February 19 2011 22:49 deconduo wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote:Amber[Light] At no point ANYWHERE did I say I was against people blowing themselves up. I haven't even hinted or suggested anything of the like. You get a vote for trying to put words in my mouth. On February 18 2011 05:59 deconduo wrote: Using the suicide mechanic as a way to prove you are town is the dumbest thing you can do. Instead how about making an actual effort. I pointed out that ONE LINE of yours is scummy and this is your response. On February 18 2011 06:25 deconduo wrote: Yes and no. If someone bombs a town today then: Lynch today -> Tomorrow is lylo No lynch today -> Tomorrow is mylo -> No lynch -> Day 3 is lylo We essentially sacrifice a lynch day one for more information. Whether or not this is a good idea I don't know. Its also somewhat irrelevant unless someone does bomb. On February 18 2011 23:23 deconduo wrote: I'm suspicious of everyone who has made posts threatening/suggesting that they will blow up. It feels like a mafia thing to do to put on a fake bravado. Legit fanatics have no reason to bring attention to their powers. This is what I meant Deconduo. Perhaps you can explain how you were inferring that blowing up was something you actually wanted players to do? Because your posts seem to hint otherwise... Then this came after the fact: On February 19 2011 06:42 deconduo wrote: In 15min I'm expecting an explosion from either Lunar or Chaoser. Also don't forget before you voted no lynch you removed yourself from Chaoser: On February 19 2011 02:06 deconduo wrote: In a rush, might not get to vote in time. Vote: Chaoser Hopefully I'll get back in time to place a more thought out vote, but for now I'm going with instinct. Sorry chaoser. Why did you switch before the flip, and to a no vote? It could have been a fake kill? | ||
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This is all I wanted Deconduo. I appreciate you at least taking the time out to hammer out my suspicion. I'll gladly drop it. @ Barundar if it's going to be the difference between a no-lynch and lynching Coagulation I will make sure it gets done. Don't we already have a majority at this point, or we're nearing it? It seems like the town would much rather lynch someone than not to have suspects go unchecked, and of course I recognize that Coagulation is playing on the shady side. Like Jackal, he has been bleeding with scum tells from the very start. | ||
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I "tunneled" and then apologized and that's somehow being used against me. Strange that one event has created a bandwagon like this. I understand that were not doing so hot after a failed suicide but were making it worse by allowing coagulation to literally flip the vote. I've been avoiding discussing coag because his play is scum. You're allowing the one liner jackal complement his claims because its convenient for jackal to.do so. We hacent seen eye to eye this whole game. Is it a surprise he's gunning for me ? Now you want the town savior coag to live another day just to blow up ? He's been talking about that all game ! What has you (gmarshal and ggq) so convinced that its not an act. Within hours he's nearly dodging a vote to live another day, and for what? To "blow up"? It's the same people siding with him that didn't want to hear about exploding and yet in the last 24 hours we've abandoned everything we discussed during the first day. We haven't learned a thing as a town if we let people get away with these explosion claims. Even if coag is going to explode, let's assume what happens. I'll die bc of a mislynch and someone will die tonight . Then coag blows up. Worst case scenario is he takes out another fanatic. That's 4 pro town players gone before a lynch. That makes it 5 left.2 townies and 3 mafia. It's an auto lose. Keep me around and we gain a lynch and another day ( possibly 2 if we cam get really lucky) to hammer out some scum. Keep coag around and were going to lose. | ||
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On February 20 2011 10:08 Coagulation wrote: well its pretty clear Amber[Light] isnt scum at this point. ##Unvote ##Vote GGQ Wtf did you use me to catch scum? So.dirty! | ||
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I need to know why ggq more than anyone else in this game. I only had a soft suspicion about bin and I still couldn't back it up. | ||
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Coag its obvious that we don't have any information and we can't risk losing a player. Let's see if our medic can work some magic and blow up someone and lynch tomorrow if we need to. Best case scenerio we are back where we started. I'm going to ensure that there is a tie by doing this. Don't take the vote personally . ##unvote ##vote: coagulation | ||
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Shit shit shit | ||
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On February 20 2011 11:05 GMarshal wrote: I'm not sure of the last member, but Amber[Light] is getting bombed come day I.don't get how this makes me.scum. the best thing I could do was create a tie so we can work again tomorrow. We have no.Intel that any of us are scum and of.course you're pointing the finger once again. | ||
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It should have been you. Not me. Not coag. Not ggq. | ||
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THere's only 1 medic in this game. Deconduo was lying. Think about it. | ||
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I hope there's no hard feelings <3 <3 <3I'll take you up on that hug too ![[image loading]](http://forums.nonewbs.com/media/smilies/highfive.gif) | ||
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On February 21 2011 11:59 darmousseh wrote: GG all We took a huge risk. Looking back the switch back to Coag should have been the end of us. There was only so much damage control that could be done. If GGQ managed to get his vote in I think we still would have been able to finagle a win by the 2nd night. Mathmatically either situation (no lynch, lynch coag) were pretty much a win as long as I didn't get lynched. | ||
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On February 21 2011 12:08 Coagulation wrote: because amber wouldnt switch his vote over to GGQ i was assuming they had both been mafia. Bomb GGQ And that would out amber as mafia for the lynch. I banked on this logic. Should've just went for the ez pick and give GGQ a chance to claim medic at least. | ||
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I don't think I've played with most of these players. I had to drop out of one of the more recent games but it was nice to play with some unfamiliar. I knew the Pandain method would work if I just persisted. | ||
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Idk though I've never hosted a game so I could be completely off base on that. | ||
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