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On February 24 2011 10:27 gryffindor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 10:22 icemac wrote:
Also, I just want to say that these cell things is either big balls move by mafia or the workings of bad play. Agree. Vote gmarshal with me, he is the one who had the.idea
ok, go for it, please kill one of the most active players, the one who actually proposed a plan that is an alternative to "lets let GFs fuck us over, like in salem",if town is stupid enough to go with your plan and your lynch then I hope they realize their mistake in time to hang you.
Let me be frank, I think you are town, but how absolutely terribly you are playing almost merits a lynch, ffs you can't even seem to point out a major flaw in my plan aside from "it not how this setup is played! I know because I am a mafia god!".
I guess this is your master plan for surviving, make mafia unwilling to hit you by helping them along.
You want to hang me? post a goddamn analysis I can at least rebuff rather than these unsupported accusations that are "GMarshal is scum, because I say so" major, major FoS on anyone who goes along with your bandwagon
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On February 24 2011 10:39 icemac wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 10:34 GMarshal wrote:On February 24 2011 10:27 gryffindor wrote:On February 24 2011 10:22 icemac wrote:
Also, I just want to say that these cell things is either big balls move by mafia or the workings of bad play. Agree. Vote gmarshal with me, he is the one who had the.idea ok, go for it, please kill one of the most active players, the one who actually proposed a plan that is an alternative to "lets let GFs fuck us over, like in salem",if town is stupid enough to go with your plan and your lynch then I hope they realize their mistake in time to hang you. Let me be frank, I think you are town, but how absolutely terribly you are playing almost merits a lynch, ffs you can't even seem to point out a major flaw in my plan aside from "it not how this setup is played! I know because I am a mafia god!". I guess this is your master plan for surviving, make mafia unwilling to hit you by helping them along. You want to hang me? post a goddamn analysis I can at least rebuff rather than these unsupported accusations that are "GMarshal is scum, because I say so" major, major FoS on anyone who goes along with your bandwagon Analysis doesn't mean shit Day 1. I don't see why you feel so compelled to pull stuff out of your ass and call it high level analysis.
nice defense, I love the part where you address all my questions, especially the one about why my plan is bad, also I notice you have many in depth contributions, so I guess its justified that you would criticize a poor lurker like me, and allow me to note I never once referred to anything as high level analysis, good way to dodge the questions though! Care to insult me too at this point? I mean im sure a few well aimed offensive remarks would add depth to your brilliant deconstruction of why my plan is scummy.
Also post analysis is always good, at any point of the game from day one to lylo, so please take your scummy ideas and aggressive attacks to some more easily intimidated player
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On February 24 2011 10:46 icemac wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 10:44 GMarshal wrote:On February 24 2011 10:39 icemac wrote:On February 24 2011 10:34 GMarshal wrote:On February 24 2011 10:27 gryffindor wrote:On February 24 2011 10:22 icemac wrote:
Also, I just want to say that these cell things is either big balls move by mafia or the workings of bad play. Agree. Vote gmarshal with me, he is the one who had the.idea ok, go for it, please kill one of the most active players, the one who actually proposed a plan that is an alternative to "lets let GFs fuck us over, like in salem",if town is stupid enough to go with your plan and your lynch then I hope they realize their mistake in time to hang you. Let me be frank, I think you are town, but how absolutely terribly you are playing almost merits a lynch, ffs you can't even seem to point out a major flaw in my plan aside from "it not how this setup is played! I know because I am a mafia god!". I guess this is your master plan for surviving, make mafia unwilling to hit you by helping them along. You want to hang me? post a goddamn analysis I can at least rebuff rather than these unsupported accusations that are "GMarshal is scum, because I say so" major, major FoS on anyone who goes along with your bandwagon Analysis doesn't mean shit Day 1. I don't see why you feel so compelled to pull stuff out of your ass and call it high level analysis. nice defense, I love the part where you address all my questions, especially the one about why my plan is bad, also I notice you have many in depth contributions, so I guess its justified that you would criticize a poor lurker like me, and allow me to note I never once referred to anything as high level analysis, good way to dodge the questions though! Care to insult me too at this point? I mean im sure a few well aimed offensive remarks would add depth to your brilliant deconstruction of why my plan is scummy. Also post analysis is always good, at any point of the game from day one to lylo, so please take your scummy ideas and aggressive attacks to some more easily intimidated player Alright, let's just say you are being productive, what conclusions are you actually arriving at?
Sure
1.) This is a set up that is going to emphasize using PMs to root out mafia
2.) due to the set up and conditions any plan like the salem blue circle is going to be doomed
3.) The best way I see to address this is to make small town circles and use them to gather information
4.) there should be no claiming save rare circumstances,not even in PM and not even to "confirmed" townies
5.) We need to make sure lurkers post as they often cost us the game, hence PM circles can pressure them into posting, also directing votes at them can push them into activity
6.) Gryffindor is most likely just a townie that is playing an awful game of mafia, the fact that he suggests a plan exactly like the one that cost us the game in salem is cause for alarm
7.) annul is most likely not scum either, just another stupid townie, if he were mafia someone would tell him to cut the shit out
8.) DTs are almost worthless
9.) Jackal may be mafia he is not playing his usual agressive, tunneling game, and is almost as subdued as in MiniMafia V
10.) you still failed to address my questions
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On February 24 2011 10:43 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 09:32 GMarshal wrote:
A post by post analysis of the contributions of annul (I know some people think post by post analysis are not good, but it works for me) The only reason to include every post is when your strongest points lack substance. If you are trying to "fluff" your argument then it probably means you came up with your verdict prior to analysis. Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 09:32 GMarshal wrote:
verdict = either aggressive scum or bad townie
If his posts continue to be this poor then we may have no choice but to hang him I love "scum or town" verdicts.
1.) I always do post by post, check the end of orgah and my analysis of beefy (which ended up being dead wrong by the way)
2.) I'll retract that, thinking on it I'm convinced its just stupid townie, however I wouldn't oppose his lynch as he is playing poorly and hurting town
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I was waiting until tomorrow to post about jackal because I figured that at this point people would jump on my for "derailing discussion" or something stupid like that. However jackal's current play-style is very much in line with his style in MiniMafia V where I was mafia with him. Right now I'm not seeing Jakcal's usual tunneling and focus on one or two players who he is absolutely convinced are scum, nor am I seeing his aggressive posts, as a matter of fact I'm not seeing much of him at all
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the above was actually addressed more at gryffindor than at you.
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On February 24 2011 11:18 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +then what the heck do you propose we do for the next 24 hours if not analysis? Drink beer and play pinochle. Icemac is on my "scrutinize every word" list. So are the following: Annul GMarshall Gryfindor
Wonderful, as long as somone is paying attention town should win
Just one thing though, isn't ironic that you are inactive until about 3 minutes after we call you out on being inactive? To me at least that seems somewhat suspicious.
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On February 24 2011 11:24 annul wrote:
i dont really know why it takes more than one post to inform a vote
the cells idea was absolute garbage. so i am pointing at him. the whole "HEY LOL WE HAVE WEAK ROLES" is a ridic tell as well. what more analysis is there to do?
let me say it again, Please explain why you think the cells idea is a bad one, its really difficult for me to actually respond to an accusation that is "lol, scummy idea, lol", hell for all I know you may have an excellent argument for it, one that destroys the idea and leaves me looking like a fool, but as of right now I dont see where you are getting that its a bad idea
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alright since why is actually posting I can take my vote off him
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I would agree to pressure an inactive, does astroorion sound good to people?
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On February 24 2011 11:39 annul wrote:
ok well i mean
i have great reads on both of them, but i dont know what else i need to say about it. can you tell me why chaoser and GM are NOT red?
the cells idea is horrible. why do we want to keep analysis private? there is no point in "bouncing off ideas" to a RNG "town circle". this only hurts us. why keep analysis of any type from the town? also, the point of these town circles is what exactly? to have people critique any analysis before "revealing" it? ok assume that is the case, then what happens when the mafia are in these cells? player A says "OK so i got an analysis on player D (outside the cell), who i think is mafia" player B says "no thats horrible, ________" and convinces A. A now doesnt say anything, to not look stupid (that IS the point of these cells, after all!). oops, B and D are mafia. we're fucked.
if A just came out and said "hey i have this analysis" B is probably less likely to defend D if it's blatant redness
No, the point is to cause otherwise inactive players to feel obliged to post, it is to increase the amount of information available, when I ask a general question like "what do you guys think about GMarshal" lurkers are free to either ignore it or jump on what one person says. By using these circles people are actually forced to voice an opinion if you guys want there is nothing stopping you from posting all the analysis you do in the circle and every random thought you have in the general thread, also its important for people to remember that it is possible that people in their circle are scum, thats part of the goal of the circle.
Also nothing is stopping a player who writes a good analysis from bouncing it off people outside their circle. Although I will agree that the weakness of this circle plan is the fact that a 2 scum circle can adversely influence the townie
tldr: the point of the circle is to force people to think rather than sheeping with other peoples opinions
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EBWOP assuming 6 mafia (a reasonable number for a 30 person game) at most 3 circles could be made up of 2 scum 1 town, which with the rng method is very unlikely anyway.
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On February 24 2011 12:01 annul wrote:
i dont think circles actually force people to think. they inhibit it. and circles with mafia in them can really fuck with the townies.
how do they inhibit thinking? I'm curious as to why you think that
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On February 24 2011 12:06 OriginalName wrote:
Inactive in thread will still be inactive in PMs.
but its less likely to happen if you have someone asking your opinion and thoughts every day or so, I mean I know that when I was new I didn't post as much because it was terrifying, I'm not saying it will magically make everyone active but it should at least encourage activity, at the very least the other members of the circle will realize the person is inactive and will make sure it dosn't go by unnoticed
I still dont see how the circle inhibits thinking, part of playing mafia is being confident in your analysis, if someone thinks your analysis is awful you go ahead and post it in the main thread, if others think its good then congrats you may have uncovered scum, if they also think its awful then its a learning experience...
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anyway, can we be done arguing about the cells? if people think its a good idea then they should follow it, if you think its stupid then you have no obligation to participate. We should now focus on scum hunting and pressuring inactive. Does someone want to propose an inactive, or should I?
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sure, here is what I sent to deconduo, do you want his response as well?
+ Show Spoiler +To: deconduo [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Mafia XXXVII
Date: 2/24/11 00:13
Hi!
So,I'm curious as to what your reads are this game, care to share?
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On February 24 2011 12:49 annul wrote:
more like you are a name ive never seen before and you have 45 total posts and are playing TL mafia
and what you said didnt even merit a reply, tbh. it looked like some random attack to gauge reaction.
not to quibble but I had like 90 posts when I started playing mafia... I don't see how you can possibly make a judgment based on that.
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So, wait let me get this straight gryffindor you just spent the entirety of the begging of the game pointing out how terrible and scummy my plan is, how I am obviously scum for proposing such a terrible plan, and then you do a 180 and go along with it...
FoS on you, not for accepting the idea but for your hand picked cell list
Allow me to point out a list that cannot be biased or affected by mafia, I posted it earlier, it consists of grouping players #1,2,3 into group 1, player 4,5,6 into group 2 etc. While it won't have the advantage of natural leaders and it dosn't guarantee we have experienced leaders in each cell
it is guaranteed not to have hand picked scum teams in each. (Not that it would matter if they *did* but its better to always hinder scum's plans)
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On February 24 2011 23:31 Jackal58 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 23 2011 12:46 gryffindor wrote:
I'm a veteran
claims to me On February 24 2011 15:20 gryffindor wrote:
the HOST actually told me it was a good idea. Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 16:38 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On February 24 2011 15:20 gryffindor wrote:
the HOST actually told me it was a good idea. I said no such thing. Do not claim that a host said something he didn't. Seriously this isn't tolerated behavior. Unless you show me a PM from either Meapak or myself saying this you are getting a warning. PM me.
Actualy Jackal brings up a good point, dont we have a LaL policy in place? I'd hate to see it ignored just because jackal seems like a good lynch target, especially after gryffindors sudden change of heart
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On February 25 2011 01:45 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Also, how is it that you can't correlate my idea with his cell idea? Just because we have cells scumhunting, doesn't mean we can't PM a confirmed on d2 or d3. I do not see how it is black vs white, when there is in fact a lot of room for gray area. This statement by him is pretty good, I agree that both can be combined if needed. Makes me think he's green cause he's willing to compromise instead of just toeing the line which is much easier to do as mafia than to reach across the aisle.
Actually I missed that part of gryffs post when reading it, fine then its not as abrupt a change as I thought, and I can understand the urge to put out a list to counter my original list, I'll retract my FoS on you gryff. I think you are probably town. Personalty I would never claim, to anyone, but people are free to do as they wish, and if you do get a working town circle out of it then more power to you. Now lets try to reach a consensus on a day 1 vote
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