On February 11 2011 16:56 gryffindor wrote: So, let me get this straight, you're defending him by saying he plays the same way as both town and scum?
Fantastic point. Coag has definitely shown us no indication of at least trying to help town. He's an easy choice. Present a better candidate, Node, or just inform coagulation that he needs to change his meta. Who needs RNG?
On February 11 2011 15:29 bumatlarge wrote: Alright time to get started. Yep Hopefully I can make good use of this role, as I have to do the character justice. Filler Coagulation has already spouted off to his random tangents, so we might be better off without him. shows willingness to jump on the easy bandwagon. cause scum love easy bandwagons. that makes town sit around and not analyze people. I still want to see what everyone is posting like, because I am seeing a good number of sentence long posts with nothing in it. similar to this post. Too be expected. I'm not putting my vote anywhere yet until I see what I want to see. what is this? theres nothing of any value to your post so far for town. "im not gonna vote" awesome thanks for letting us know.
On February 11 2011 16:56 gryffindor wrote: So, let me get this straight, you're defending him by saying he plays the same way as both town and scum?
Fantastic point. Coag has definitely shown us no indication of at least trying to help town. He's an easy choice. Present a better candidate, Node, or just inform coagulation that he needs to change his meta. Who needs RNG?
So wait.. i clearly showed you my indication of trying to help town. you disregarded that to blow out of proportion that i am anti town for your own purposes clearly. If you need an example of me trying to help town with info go ahead an read up top again.
your last post you decided your not gonna vote...OK......And now im the EASY Choice? What changed your mind?
I'm not putting my vote anywhere yet until I see what I want to see.
What did you see? Sounds wishy washy to me. I dont think you seen anything but an easy lynch. And mafia love easy lynches. because it makes town not focus on scumhunting. is that what you seen?
if your mafia im going to hand your ass to town on a silver platter. I will be watching you.
I know alot of new players here from other mafia forum. so im gonna put together some info on players *That i know from our playerbase that i have played with before and have a good read on their playstyles.
Veteran player. extremely active. and extremely aggressive. I have watched him (AND This is NO SHIT) in a Game get confirmed to town by town as 100%MAFIA without a doubt slap my ass Confirmed as fucking mafia to town. he then proceeds to tell town they are all fucking stupid and dont know what the fuck they are talking about and then systematically gets them all lynched 1by1 Keep your eye on this guy
hes usually a pretty solid contributor when town. definitely a much more active poster when town than when he is mafia.. he has had the occasional inactivity spurt in games but has a nack for flying under the radar. generally because when he does contribute as town it is GRADE A STUFF. He recently has a track record of being a "BORED MAFIA" So keep an eye out for anything that looks so fucking crazy theres no fucking way mafia would do that. Cause BUMSCUM WILL DO THAT.
an average quality player. leaves a little bit to be desired as far as amount of posting he does. not an inactive player by any stretch but hes not gonna be posting alot of shit to analyze.
generally not a heavy poster. played with him in insane mafia and he was medic so he didnt say much or draw attention to himself but i think a low post count is the norm for this guy. decent player that has played in many games here.
last game completely inactive only posted/vote to avoid modkill contributed fluff. had no real tangible contribution that effected the game. pretty much a bored townie. standard play from him.
Likes to vote for people gives no reason and tells town to deal with it when they call him out on it. this definitely sets off some alarms FOS
kitaman27 Active player. aggressive sometimes. last game he mocked me for listing people who i had suspicions as mafia even tho i was right.(he was town) has some kind of personal vandetta against me or something. I have played many games with him but hes always been one of those players that doesnt stand out much. BrownBear + Show Spoiler +
good scumhunter and a semi active poster. Recently has gone on an extremely aggressive town playstyle. hes often considered a vet player and generally a strong leader. possible GF candidate if scum.
Average town player generally has low post count regardless of alignment. This guys a fucking snake when hes mafia. managed to infiltrate town circle in salem and tricked alot of VET players into trusting him and pretty much won the game singlehandedly for scum.
Mr. Wiggles decent player decently active. not a huge contributor but he doesnt lurk when town. and has a solid understanding of the game. i dont recall playing with him as mafia but i get the impression he would be a very passive lurker as mafia. chaoser Lurker/doesnt post has been modkilled for it before. thats the only reason i recognize his name is because hes a big lurker. wouldnt expect much to come from him. good lynch candidate. Lunar Destiny + Show Spoiler +
vet player great scumhunter very active player regardless of town/mafia. you can pretty much assume that if he isnt pointing out scumslips and giving mafia a swift kick in the ass then hes on their team.
On February 11 2011 16:56 gryffindor wrote: So, let me get this straight, you're defending him by saying he plays the same way as both town and scum?
Fantastic point. Coag has definitely shown us no indication of at least trying to help town. He's an easy choice. Present a better candidate, Node, or just inform coagulation that he needs to change his meta. Who needs RNG?
On February 11 2011 15:29 bumatlarge wrote: Alright time to get started. Yep Hopefully I can make good use of this role, as I have to do the character justice. Filler Coagulation has already spouted off to his random tangents, so we might be better off without him. shows willingness to jump on the easy bandwagon. cause scum love easy bandwagons. that makes town sit around and not analyze people. I still want to see what everyone is posting like, because I am seeing a good number of sentence long posts with nothing in it. similar to this post. Too be expected. I'm not putting my vote anywhere yet until I see what I want to see. what is this? theres nothing of any value to your post so far for town. "im not gonna vote" awesome thanks for letting us know.
On February 11 2011 16:56 gryffindor wrote: So, let me get this straight, you're defending him by saying he plays the same way as both town and scum?
Fantastic point. Coag has definitely shown us no indication of at least trying to help town. He's an easy choice. Present a better candidate, Node, or just inform coagulation that he needs to change his meta. Who needs RNG?
So wait.. i clearly showed you my indication of trying to help town. you disregarded that to blow out of proportion that i am anti town for your own purposes clearly. If you need an example of me trying to help town with info go ahead an read up top again.
your last post you decided your not gonna vote...OK......And now im the EASY Choice? What changed your mind?
I'm not putting my vote anywhere yet until I see what I want to see.
What did you see? Sounds wishy washy to me. I dont think you seen anything but an easy lynch. And mafia love easy lynches. because it makes town not focus on scumhunting. is that what you seen?
if your mafia im going to hand your ass to town on a silver platter. I will be watching you.
You are right, I am mafia.
you didnt answer my question. just evaded it completely with sarcasm
I don't like your OMGUS, and I don't like your response to me, you're my top scumspect. Misder, can you give me a reference to your best town and best scum game? IGMEOY
On February 11 2011 18:42 gryffindor wrote: I like to get into lynching inactives on d2 or d3 but that's just me
Wouldn't it be better to just vote inactive day 1...by day 2 or 3 we'll have more information to hopefully make some sense of things. You're being really aggressive to the point of being a little absurd lol... Maybe that's your red text? Either way I'mma keep my eye on you =p
Ok time to get started. We could potentially have a lot of weird/crazy mechanics in play so we need to be on the look out for anything. As was stated before (by why), there been numerous different factions in his previous games:
Pro Town: Donney: Seamus Davey: FactionHeir Mairead: Reenk Roink
Neutral: Padraic: AVSM Heilyn: 'khaan Artair: El Diablo
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Grunts kill once per night. Once both were dead, godfather could kill once per night. Godfather showed up as innocent until they had performed a kill. Donney was the detective. Davey was the gossip person, leaving clues in the writeups. Later gained the ability to either protect/investigate/roleblock one person per night. Mairead was the doctor, but also a non kill target for Padraic. Later gained the ability to roleblock the person s/he protected if they were anti-town. Padraic: The generic Serial Killer, didn't have to kill Mairead though. Heilyn: Welsh boxer, survive one night kill. Only had to survive. Artair: Late blooming Serial Killer.
I gathered the list of players, randomised the list via random.org 10 times, then simply matched that to my role list.
First Group: Mafia Faction, Midkemia, The Nighthawks. Group of Assassins, using crossbows and swords, wearing black clothing, poison rings and sometimes teeth, with hawk medallions. Yasaikhaan Renata Centurion1
Second Group: Mafia Faction, Midkemia, Murmandamus and followers. atheotes: Murmandamus. Panthanian priest disguised as a Moredhel, objective to bring his 'goddess', Alma-Lodaka, back to life. Crazed Rabbit: Murad, unable to speak, as he cut his tongue out to prove his loyalty. A1_Unit: Gorath, secretly traitor, had to find Arutha to bring public knowledge of the second group to light.
Secret Roles: Askthepizzaguy: Banath, God of Trickery, the hopeless quest and patron of thieves. Had semi-disguise as The Blue Rider, who is later known as Nakor. Chaotix: Sarig, dead god of magic. death is yonder: Alma-Lodaka, Valheru, creator of the Panthanians. scottishranger: Nalar, trapped god of evil. Able to force people to do almost anything, they showed as confused or with a strange look on the faces in the write up.
Pro-town, Midkemia Greyblades: Pug (Keep orphan, turned master magician) Sigurd: Tomas (Pug's best friend, half Valheru, due to his armour) Beskar: Macros (The Black Sorcerer) Sasaki Kojiro: Algaranna (Elven Queen) Sprig: Calin (Elven Warleader, son of the Queen) Csargo: Tathar (Eldest Spellweaver) Elite Ferret: Arutha ConDoin, Prince of Krondor Major Robert Dump: Martin ConDoin, Duke of Crydee White_Eyes:D: Lyam ConDoin, King of the Kingdom of the Isles rhawn: Jimmy the Hand, later Squire James then Duke James of Krondor Joooray: Laurie, ex Tsurani slave, bard.
Third Group: Mafia Faction, Kelewan, The Minwanabi House A Very Super Market: Lord Desio of the Minwanabi Khazaar: Lord Tasaio of the Minwanabi Shlin28: Teani, secretly traitor, agent of the Anasati Beefy187: Shimizu, Captain of the Guard
Fourth Group: Kelewan, The Acoma House Zain: Lady Mara of the Acoma CountArach: Strike Leader Papewaio of the Acoma (Yes this is where our moderator papewaio gets his username from) Karo: Force Commander Keyoke, now Advisor for War, of the Acoma
Fifth Group: Kelewan, The Anasati House johnhughthom: Tecuma, Lord of the Anasati GeneralHankerchief: Chumaka, First Advisor of the Anasati
Sixth Group: Kelewan, The Assembley of Magicians Subotan: Shimone Captain Blackadder: Hochopepa
Seventh Group: Kelewan, The Emperor and his bodyguards spltpersonality: Emperor Ichindar Double A: Magician Bodyguard A completely inoffensive name: Magician Bodyguard
Independants: YLC: Delayed Serial Killer, Cho-ja Lord Winter: The Upright Man
It is not a stretch to assume there is going to be multiple factions of differing alignments in this game. However this is still speculation.
The information we know for a fact is as follows: -2 Mafia Goons, 1 Godfather. Initially 1KP per goon, if both goons die then GF gets 2 KP. -No fool/idiot roles. -Each person is given a name/personality. These are taken from mafia players in the totalwar forums.
I feel like we might be able to use the names like a weak clue system, but it will require a lot of research.
Thoughts on people's votes/play so far:
-fluffywhatever: Looks like an import from TotalWar? RNGs a vote on Misder as first post of the day. I don't like doing it but it seems to be common practice on the TW forums.
-aidnai: Another RNG vote. Agrees with Node that coag is playing normally.
-Coag/bum/ace: failsauce
-why: I don't think I've seen him before, but so far I like his play. He did a bit of research into pever's previous games and called GCQ out on scummy play. Looks promising.
-believer: edits, defends GCQ
-darmousseh: I found him quite scummy initially in XXXVI, but that was more due to suspicious voting patterns than anything else, (sheeping scum ) Votes Zerroth with decent reasoning. Seems good for now. Only problem I would have is that he is a bit lacking on activity, but its early yet.
-gryffindor: Another possible import from TWI think? Claims Node defended coag where I don't think there was anything. Seems to be an experienced player that likes playing a lot of mindgames: + Show Spoiler +
On February 11 2011 16:17 gryffindor wrote: I see Coagulation is spazzing out. Why are you spamming the thread? I have a town read already, but I will not disclose on who, and a casual suspicion. I will have to wait to see if I can pick up on any associative tells from them in the future. I might be reading too much into the situation. I do not want to tip them off to tighten up their game, though, as I want to see them lynched.
I am not really for Day 1 policy lynches if the person is town. Does anyone have any meta on Coagulation? I don't want to lose a player to a mislynch, though I do not know his alignment. Can anyone help out on this?
Thanks!
On February 11 2011 18:08 gryffindor wrote: unvote My vote was more for pressure than anything. It didn't really gain the reaction that I wanted.
@Misder, why are you voting who you are voting?
On February 11 2011 21:42 gryffindor wrote: I don't like your OMGUS, and I don't like your response to me, you're my top scumspect. Misder, can you give me a reference to your best town and best scum game? IGMEOY
Keeping an eye on him.
misder: OMGUS votes fluffy. Maybe an overreaction, but seems like a weird move because he's not inexperienced.
Node: Tries to stop the coag clusterfuck by pointing out that coag is playing normally. Tries to get the town back on track to proper discussion. Solid town play imo. This post stands out: + Show Spoiler +
On February 11 2011 17:34 gryffindor wrote: I have to agree with Misder. Node is reading as if he is buddying up to defend a mislynch as scum. vote: Node
I don't follow what you said. You think my plan is to let Coagulation die (even though I'm apparently defending him), and then when we realize that he's not scum (which, as far as I know, we can't), come out and say "I told you so". Do I have it right?
Today's Lynch:
As for today's lynch, saying 'lynch coag cos hes bad lol 111!!' is a stupid idea. Zerroth is a much better candidate by all the reasons given by people voting for coag. He is known to lurk and not contribute from several other games.
About the factions, I have to wonder if they win with town, or if they have different win conditions altogether.
Also I just noticed this is a PM allowed game, this can make things rather interesting.
As for the vote today I agree with killing inactives, I'm rather wound up about the level of inactivity in XXXVI, for that reason I'm going to go with Zerroth at least until we get some activity out of him ##Vote: Zerroth
On February 11 2011 23:17 deconduo wrote: Thoughts on setup:
Ok time to get started. We could potentially have a lot of weird/crazy mechanics in play so we need to be on the look out for anything. As was stated before (by why), there been numerous different factions in his previous games:
Pro Town: Donney: Seamus Davey: FactionHeir Mairead: Reenk Roink
Neutral: Padraic: AVSM Heilyn: 'khaan Artair: El Diablo
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Grunts kill once per night. Once both were dead, godfather could kill once per night. Godfather showed up as innocent until they had performed a kill. Donney was the detective. Davey was the gossip person, leaving clues in the writeups. Later gained the ability to either protect/investigate/roleblock one person per night. Mairead was the doctor, but also a non kill target for Padraic. Later gained the ability to roleblock the person s/he protected if they were anti-town. Padraic: The generic Serial Killer, didn't have to kill Mairead though. Heilyn: Welsh boxer, survive one night kill. Only had to survive. Artair: Late blooming Serial Killer.
I gathered the list of players, randomised the list via random.org 10 times, then simply matched that to my role list.
First Group: Mafia Faction, Midkemia, The Nighthawks. Group of Assassins, using crossbows and swords, wearing black clothing, poison rings and sometimes teeth, with hawk medallions. Yasaikhaan Renata Centurion1
Second Group: Mafia Faction, Midkemia, Murmandamus and followers. atheotes: Murmandamus. Panthanian priest disguised as a Moredhel, objective to bring his 'goddess', Alma-Lodaka, back to life. Crazed Rabbit: Murad, unable to speak, as he cut his tongue out to prove his loyalty. A1_Unit: Gorath, secretly traitor, had to find Arutha to bring public knowledge of the second group to light.
Secret Roles: Askthepizzaguy: Banath, God of Trickery, the hopeless quest and patron of thieves. Had semi-disguise as The Blue Rider, who is later known as Nakor. Chaotix: Sarig, dead god of magic. death is yonder: Alma-Lodaka, Valheru, creator of the Panthanians. scottishranger: Nalar, trapped god of evil. Able to force people to do almost anything, they showed as confused or with a strange look on the faces in the write up.
Pro-town, Midkemia Greyblades: Pug (Keep orphan, turned master magician) Sigurd: Tomas (Pug's best friend, half Valheru, due to his armour) Beskar: Macros (The Black Sorcerer) Sasaki Kojiro: Algaranna (Elven Queen) Sprig: Calin (Elven Warleader, son of the Queen) Csargo: Tathar (Eldest Spellweaver) Elite Ferret: Arutha ConDoin, Prince of Krondor Major Robert Dump: Martin ConDoin, Duke of Crydee White_Eyes:D: Lyam ConDoin, King of the Kingdom of the Isles rhawn: Jimmy the Hand, later Squire James then Duke James of Krondor Joooray: Laurie, ex Tsurani slave, bard.
Third Group: Mafia Faction, Kelewan, The Minwanabi House A Very Super Market: Lord Desio of the Minwanabi Khazaar: Lord Tasaio of the Minwanabi Shlin28: Teani, secretly traitor, agent of the Anasati Beefy187: Shimizu, Captain of the Guard
Fourth Group: Kelewan, The Acoma House Zain: Lady Mara of the Acoma CountArach: Strike Leader Papewaio of the Acoma (Yes this is where our moderator papewaio gets his username from) Karo: Force Commander Keyoke, now Advisor for War, of the Acoma
Fifth Group: Kelewan, The Anasati House johnhughthom: Tecuma, Lord of the Anasati GeneralHankerchief: Chumaka, First Advisor of the Anasati
Sixth Group: Kelewan, The Assembley of Magicians Subotan: Shimone Captain Blackadder: Hochopepa
Seventh Group: Kelewan, The Emperor and his bodyguards spltpersonality: Emperor Ichindar Double A: Magician Bodyguard A completely inoffensive name: Magician Bodyguard
Independants: YLC: Delayed Serial Killer, Cho-ja Lord Winter: The Upright Man
It is not a stretch to assume there is going to be multiple factions of differing alignments in this game. However this is still speculation.
The information we know for a fact is as follows: -2 Mafia Goons, 1 Godfather. Initially 1KP per goon, if both goons die then GF gets 2 KP. -No fool/idiot roles. -Each person is given a name/personality. These are taken from mafia players in the totalwar forums.
I feel like we might be able to use the names like a weak clue system, but it will require a lot of research.
Thoughts on people's votes/play so far:
-fluffywhatever: Looks like an import from TotalWar? RNGs a vote on Misder as first post of the day. I don't like doing it but it seems to be common practice on the TW forums.
-aidnai: Another RNG vote. Agrees with Node that coag is playing normally.
-Coag/bum/ace: failsauce
-why: I don't think I've seen him before, but so far I like his play. He did a bit of research into pever's previous games and called GCQ out on scummy play. Looks promising.
-believer: edits, defends GCQ
-darmousseh: I found him quite scummy initially in XXXVI, but that was more due to suspicious voting patterns than anything else, (sheeping scum ) Votes Zerroth with decent reasoning. Seems good for now. Only problem I would have is that he is a bit lacking on activity, but its early yet.
-gryffindor: Another possible import from TWI think? Claims Node defended coag where I don't think there was anything. Seems to be an experienced player that likes playing a lot of mindgames: + Show Spoiler +
On February 11 2011 16:17 gryffindor wrote: I see Coagulation is spazzing out. Why are you spamming the thread? I have a town read already, but I will not disclose on who, and a casual suspicion. I will have to wait to see if I can pick up on any associative tells from them in the future. I might be reading too much into the situation. I do not want to tip them off to tighten up their game, though, as I want to see them lynched.
I am not really for Day 1 policy lynches if the person is town. Does anyone have any meta on Coagulation? I don't want to lose a player to a mislynch, though I do not know his alignment. Can anyone help out on this?
Thanks!
On February 11 2011 18:08 gryffindor wrote: unvote My vote was more for pressure than anything. It didn't really gain the reaction that I wanted.
@Misder, why are you voting who you are voting?
On February 11 2011 21:42 gryffindor wrote: I don't like your OMGUS, and I don't like your response to me, you're my top scumspect. Misder, can you give me a reference to your best town and best scum game? IGMEOY
Keeping an eye on him.
misder: OMGUS votes fluffy. Maybe an overreaction, but seems like a weird move because he's not inexperienced.
Node: Tries to stop the coag clusterfuck by pointing out that coag is playing normally. Tries to get the town back on track to proper discussion. Solid town play imo. This post stands out: + Show Spoiler +
On February 11 2011 17:34 gryffindor wrote: I have to agree with Misder. Node is reading as if he is buddying up to defend a mislynch as scum. vote: Node
I don't follow what you said. You think my plan is to let Coagulation die (even though I'm apparently defending him), and then when we realize that he's not scum (which, as far as I know, we can't), come out and say "I told you so". Do I have it right?
Today's Lynch:
As for today's lynch, saying 'lynch coag cos hes bad lol 111!!' is a stupid idea. Zerroth is a much better candidate by all the reasons given by people voting for coag. He is known to lurk and not contribute from several other games.
Vote: Zerroth
I noticed you were suspicious of me in your post. Is it simply due to my experience? I don't really mind if a wagon forms around me; I'm sure it can be used to benefit us.
I'm assuming this game is similar to the first game, but possibly edited somewhat. The 1/2 godfather/grunt mechanic seems very similar to that. Looking at all those games, in fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see really weird mechanics in play. The best thing to do as town is to roll with the punches, from my personal experience, when given a setup like this. That's all we can really do; It's tough on us without any information! At this point, all we have is speculation.
Speculation on day 1 is just that... speculation. There is nothing solid for us to go on, little scumhunting that can be done, and the only real tactics differ just as people are different. On the extreme liberal side, there is voting lurkers. Somewhere in the middle, we have policy lynching. Or, on the conservative end, there is creating pressure on people who are active and can be held accountable. These players are often more prone to slipping up.
I could be analyzing votecounts, and voting the person first alphabetically who has not voted/posted/appeared pro-town. This would be like fluffy using an RNG in his first post - it is null to me. People who do this are inherently anti-town while giving the appearance of being pro-town, and this sort of thing really needs to be snuffed out and nipped at the heels. I don't want to dip into basing alignment off of activity. Lurkers are going to lurk, and active players are going to be active, regardless of alignment. Remember that, folks.
I could easily bandwagon Coagulation, and my vote and suspiciousness of Node was really just a ploy. Coagulation is one of my two solid town reads thus far, and *I* am willing to defend him. I wish Node would have stepped up to the plate a little better, if anything I am more suspicious of him being scum now than I was when this whole ordeal started. Sorry to go off on a tangent, but what I'm trying to say here is that I don't really like to ride policy lynches.
I have been trying to shift towards the latter. I consider myself a conservative player, but people on this forum are not receptive to my style as town, apparently, as I have been drawing unwanted attention. I feel like John McEnroe objecting to a terrible call by a referee, right now lmao
I don't find you particularly suspicious, but you seem to be an experienced player with a playstyle that I haven't come across before. You are very active and as such I'm keeping an eye on you for a few reasons: -Try to get a read on you as I haven't played with you before. -Watching for any scumslips -Watching your analysis. Your way of playing may catch mafia off guard or you might get a good read on them.
@Ace: I agree 27/3 is pretty stacked. Since the OP specifically says Mafia is 2 grunts + Godfather, I'm guessing there's a third party. Possibly mafia can recruit, possibly there are "townies" that win with scum (can't remember the term for that). Or as you say, OP scum roles.
I'm tempted to browse pevergreen's games at the other site since I have a feeling he's run this exact setup before... No time for that at the moment unfortunately.
On February 11 2011 15:04 why wrote: I've read a couple of pever's game and it looks like there are tons of different alignments in play. For example, here is the role list for the Revenge of Irishmore which resulted in a cult victory (I think, there were multiple endings):
Mafia members: A Very Super Market Askthepizzaguy Csargo spL1tp3r50naL1ty TinCow
Australian Cult Members: Methos YLC atheotes
Kiwi Cult Member: atheotes
Scottish killers: Thermal Mercury Warman
Doctors: Dr. Yaseikhaan Lord Winter the intern Renata the Emergency Room specialist. Joooray the Pyschiatrist
French Kidnapper: Sigurd
Arsonist: Reenk Roink
Original carer of Wee Sean: Sasaki Kojiro
Town Drunk: GeneralHankerchief
Priest: Centurion1
Queen: Chaotix
Special Townie: Diamondeye
Detective: Scienter
Pretty sure that is 2 cults and a mafia team, and that was when there were 5 mafia members... I think we have to be ready for anything.
Anyway, back to the actual game. I don't know how you usually play, coag, but you are reacting really really defensively to votes that were little more than jokes that popped up because people were bored. Not sure if you usually react this way or there's some history involved, but its definitely setting off alarm bells.
On February 11 2011 14:26 GGQ wrote: Vote: Coagulation
And GGQ, I too would like at least some explanation of your vote on coag. Everyone else has at least a sentence explaining their vote.
On February 11 2011 15:27 Ace wrote: well people get accused all of the time. Why panic?
Besides I don't see what the voting rules are in the OP. Is it Majority lynch or most votes to lynch?
On February 11 2011 15:35 JBright wrote: Since everyone has a specified role to take, will looking at past games still be important for analysis? People could be playing up their characters and forcefully change their posting habits, but that's hard to tell.
On February 11 2011 13:54 Coagulation wrote: why would you lynch someone who is a KNOWN active poster/contributor day 1? and leave lurkers alone. Are you kidding me?
Everyone has been new at some point, cut them some slack. Chill out!
On February 11 2011 15:04 why wrote: I've read a couple of pever's game and it looks like there are tons of different alignments in play. For example, here is the role list for the Revenge of Irishmore which resulted in a cult victory (I think, there were multiple endings):
Mafia members: A Very Super Market Askthepizzaguy Csargo spL1tp3r50naL1ty TinCow
Australian Cult Members: Methos YLC atheotes
Kiwi Cult Member: atheotes
Scottish killers: Thermal Mercury Warman
Doctors: Dr. Yaseikhaan Lord Winter the intern Renata the Emergency Room specialist. Joooray the Pyschiatrist
French Kidnapper: Sigurd
Arsonist: Reenk Roink
Original carer of Wee Sean: Sasaki Kojiro
Town Drunk: GeneralHankerchief
Priest: Centurion1
Queen: Chaotix
Special Townie: Diamondeye
Detective: Scienter
Pretty sure that is 2 cults and a mafia team, and that was when there were 5 mafia members... I think we have to be ready for anything.
Anyway, back to the actual game. I don't know how you usually play, coag, but you are reacting really really defensively to votes that were little more than jokes that popped up because people were bored. Not sure if you usually react this way or there's some history involved, but its definitely setting off alarm bells.
On February 11 2011 14:26 GGQ wrote: Vote: Coagulation
And GGQ, I too would like at least some explanation of your vote on coag. Everyone else has at least a sentence explaining their vote.
Come on now, wouldn't you get aggravated if you were accused of something you were not?
He's probably just a bit on edge at the moment, let him cool off and he'll show a valuable asset in the future. :')
First off, don't edit. It's a cardinal sin, or perhaps a mortal sin (anyone know which is worse?). Second, before you start defending Coag, I'd go look at some of his prior games. His play style is hard to read at best, and harmful to town at worst...
Why, thanks for doing that extra research. I'll tentatively assume we're dealing with cult(s) for now. Did you happen to see what kind of KP or abilities the cults had? Sorry for not looking myself, but I'm trying to develop a function/algorithim for a spreadsheet for work at the moment...
On February 11 2011 15:27 Ace wrote: well people get accused all of the time. Why panic?
Besides I don't see what the voting rules are in the OP. Is it Majority lynch or most votes to lynch?
Majority and most votes are the same thing, are they not?
my bad I'll clarify.
Majority lynch is when (#of players voting/# of players alive) + 1 votes on the same suspect. Or in other words more than half the players alive. If no one has majority no one is lynched.
Most votes is that when the deadline hits (say voting ends at 9PM) then who ever has the most votes is lynched whether it's only 2 or 3 votes.
On February 11 2011 16:56 gryffindor wrote: So, let me get this straight, you're defending him by saying he plays the same way as both town and scum?
Fantastic point. Coag has definitely shown us no indication of at least trying to help town. He's an easy choice. Present a better candidate, Node, or just inform coagulation that he needs to change his meta. Who needs RNG?
On February 11 2011 17:44 Coagulation wrote: Yes i am known as a impossible to read player. But i am also a VERY OUTSPOKEN player at the same time. I NEVER HIDE. Im always 100% UPFRONT and straight to the point. And there are also many people who will confirm that i am an extremely HONEST player. Im telling you guys Zerroth is the best lynch Your gonna get zero information on him. Not because hes a hard to read player but because he doesnt post anything tangible at all. and its alot worse having that around in the game than it is to have a hard to read player.
On February 11 2011 17:47 Ace wrote: Actually a hard to read player is still bad
If you don't appear Pro-Town to me why would I want to keep you alive?
On February 11 2011 23:17 deconduo wrote: Thoughts on setup:
Ok time to get started. We could potentially have a lot of weird/crazy mechanics in play so we need to be on the look out for anything. As was stated before (by why), there been numerous different factions in his previous games:
Pro Town: Donney: Seamus Davey: FactionHeir Mairead: Reenk Roink
Neutral: Padraic: AVSM Heilyn: 'khaan Artair: El Diablo
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Grunts kill once per night. Once both were dead, godfather could kill once per night. Godfather showed up as innocent until they had performed a kill. Donney was the detective. Davey was the gossip person, leaving clues in the writeups. Later gained the ability to either protect/investigate/roleblock one person per night. Mairead was the doctor, but also a non kill target for Padraic. Later gained the ability to roleblock the person s/he protected if they were anti-town. Padraic: The generic Serial Killer, didn't have to kill Mairead though. Heilyn: Welsh boxer, survive one night kill. Only had to survive. Artair: Late blooming Serial Killer.
I gathered the list of players, randomised the list via random.org 10 times, then simply matched that to my role list.
First Group: Mafia Faction, Midkemia, The Nighthawks. Group of Assassins, using crossbows and swords, wearing black clothing, poison rings and sometimes teeth, with hawk medallions. Yasaikhaan Renata Centurion1
Second Group: Mafia Faction, Midkemia, Murmandamus and followers. atheotes: Murmandamus. Panthanian priest disguised as a Moredhel, objective to bring his 'goddess', Alma-Lodaka, back to life. Crazed Rabbit: Murad, unable to speak, as he cut his tongue out to prove his loyalty. A1_Unit: Gorath, secretly traitor, had to find Arutha to bring public knowledge of the second group to light.
Secret Roles: Askthepizzaguy: Banath, God of Trickery, the hopeless quest and patron of thieves. Had semi-disguise as The Blue Rider, who is later known as Nakor. Chaotix: Sarig, dead god of magic. death is yonder: Alma-Lodaka, Valheru, creator of the Panthanians. scottishranger: Nalar, trapped god of evil. Able to force people to do almost anything, they showed as confused or with a strange look on the faces in the write up.
Pro-town, Midkemia Greyblades: Pug (Keep orphan, turned master magician) Sigurd: Tomas (Pug's best friend, half Valheru, due to his armour) Beskar: Macros (The Black Sorcerer) Sasaki Kojiro: Algaranna (Elven Queen) Sprig: Calin (Elven Warleader, son of the Queen) Csargo: Tathar (Eldest Spellweaver) Elite Ferret: Arutha ConDoin, Prince of Krondor Major Robert Dump: Martin ConDoin, Duke of Crydee White_Eyes:D: Lyam ConDoin, King of the Kingdom of the Isles rhawn: Jimmy the Hand, later Squire James then Duke James of Krondor Joooray: Laurie, ex Tsurani slave, bard.
Third Group: Mafia Faction, Kelewan, The Minwanabi House A Very Super Market: Lord Desio of the Minwanabi Khazaar: Lord Tasaio of the Minwanabi Shlin28: Teani, secretly traitor, agent of the Anasati Beefy187: Shimizu, Captain of the Guard
Fourth Group: Kelewan, The Acoma House Zain: Lady Mara of the Acoma CountArach: Strike Leader Papewaio of the Acoma (Yes this is where our moderator papewaio gets his username from) Karo: Force Commander Keyoke, now Advisor for War, of the Acoma
Fifth Group: Kelewan, The Anasati House johnhughthom: Tecuma, Lord of the Anasati GeneralHankerchief: Chumaka, First Advisor of the Anasati
Sixth Group: Kelewan, The Assembley of Magicians Subotan: Shimone Captain Blackadder: Hochopepa
Seventh Group: Kelewan, The Emperor and his bodyguards spltpersonality: Emperor Ichindar Double A: Magician Bodyguard A completely inoffensive name: Magician Bodyguard
Independants: YLC: Delayed Serial Killer, Cho-ja Lord Winter: The Upright Man
It is not a stretch to assume there is going to be multiple factions of differing alignments in this game. However this is still speculation.
The information we know for a fact is as follows: -2 Mafia Goons, 1 Godfather. Initially 1KP per goon, if both goons die then GF gets 2 KP. -No fool/idiot roles. -Each person is given a name/personality. These are taken from mafia players in the totalwar forums.
I feel like we might be able to use the names like a weak clue system, but it will require a lot of research.
Thoughts on people's votes/play so far:
-fluffywhatever: Looks like an import from TotalWar? RNGs a vote on Misder as first post of the day. I don't like doing it but it seems to be common practice on the TW forums.
-aidnai: Another RNG vote. Agrees with Node that coag is playing normally.
-Coag/bum/ace: failsauce
-why: I don't think I've seen him before, but so far I like his play. He did a bit of research into pever's previous games and called GCQ out on scummy play. Looks promising.
-believer: edits, defends GCQ
-darmousseh: I found him quite scummy initially in XXXVI, but that was more due to suspicious voting patterns than anything else, (sheeping scum ) Votes Zerroth with decent reasoning. Seems good for now. Only problem I would have is that he is a bit lacking on activity, but its early yet.
-gryffindor: Another possible import from TWI think? Claims Node defended coag where I don't think there was anything. Seems to be an experienced player that likes playing a lot of mindgames: + Show Spoiler +
On February 11 2011 16:17 gryffindor wrote: I see Coagulation is spazzing out. Why are you spamming the thread? I have a town read already, but I will not disclose on who, and a casual suspicion. I will have to wait to see if I can pick up on any associative tells from them in the future. I might be reading too much into the situation. I do not want to tip them off to tighten up their game, though, as I want to see them lynched.
I am not really for Day 1 policy lynches if the person is town. Does anyone have any meta on Coagulation? I don't want to lose a player to a mislynch, though I do not know his alignment. Can anyone help out on this?
Thanks!
On February 11 2011 18:08 gryffindor wrote: unvote My vote was more for pressure than anything. It didn't really gain the reaction that I wanted.
@Misder, why are you voting who you are voting?
On February 11 2011 21:42 gryffindor wrote: I don't like your OMGUS, and I don't like your response to me, you're my top scumspect. Misder, can you give me a reference to your best town and best scum game? IGMEOY
Keeping an eye on him.
misder: OMGUS votes fluffy. Maybe an overreaction, but seems like a weird move because he's not inexperienced.
Node: Tries to stop the coag clusterfuck by pointing out that coag is playing normally. Tries to get the town back on track to proper discussion. Solid town play imo. This post stands out: + Show Spoiler +
On February 11 2011 17:34 gryffindor wrote: I have to agree with Misder. Node is reading as if he is buddying up to defend a mislynch as scum. vote: Node
I don't follow what you said. You think my plan is to let Coagulation die (even though I'm apparently defending him), and then when we realize that he's not scum (which, as far as I know, we can't), come out and say "I told you so". Do I have it right?
Today's Lynch:
As for today's lynch, saying 'lynch coag cos hes bad lol 111!!' is a stupid idea. Zerroth is a much better candidate by all the reasons given by people voting for coag. He is known to lurk and not contribute from several other games.
Vote: Zerroth
On February 11 2011 23:38 GMarshal wrote: About the factions, I have to wonder if they win with town, or if they have different win conditions altogether.
Also I just noticed this is a PM allowed game, this can make things rather interesting.
As for the vote today I agree with killing inactives, I'm rather wound up about the level of inactivity in XXXVI, for that reason I'm going to go with Zerroth at least until we get some activity out of him ##Vote: Zerroth
On February 11 2011 23:17 deconduo wrote: Thoughts on setup:
Ok time to get started. We could potentially have a lot of weird/crazy mechanics in play so we need to be on the look out for anything. As was stated before (by why), there been numerous different factions in his previous games:
Pro Town: Donney: Seamus Davey: FactionHeir Mairead: Reenk Roink
Neutral: Padraic: AVSM Heilyn: 'khaan Artair: El Diablo
-------
Grunts kill once per night. Once both were dead, godfather could kill once per night. Godfather showed up as innocent until they had performed a kill. Donney was the detective. Davey was the gossip person, leaving clues in the writeups. Later gained the ability to either protect/investigate/roleblock one person per night. Mairead was the doctor, but also a non kill target for Padraic. Later gained the ability to roleblock the person s/he protected if they were anti-town. Padraic: The generic Serial Killer, didn't have to kill Mairead though. Heilyn: Welsh boxer, survive one night kill. Only had to survive. Artair: Late blooming Serial Killer.
I gathered the list of players, randomised the list via random.org 10 times, then simply matched that to my role list.
First Group: Mafia Faction, Midkemia, The Nighthawks. Group of Assassins, using crossbows and swords, wearing black clothing, poison rings and sometimes teeth, with hawk medallions. Yasaikhaan Renata Centurion1
Second Group: Mafia Faction, Midkemia, Murmandamus and followers. atheotes: Murmandamus. Panthanian priest disguised as a Moredhel, objective to bring his 'goddess', Alma-Lodaka, back to life. Crazed Rabbit: Murad, unable to speak, as he cut his tongue out to prove his loyalty. A1_Unit: Gorath, secretly traitor, had to find Arutha to bring public knowledge of the second group to light.
Secret Roles: Askthepizzaguy: Banath, God of Trickery, the hopeless quest and patron of thieves. Had semi-disguise as The Blue Rider, who is later known as Nakor. Chaotix: Sarig, dead god of magic. death is yonder: Alma-Lodaka, Valheru, creator of the Panthanians. scottishranger: Nalar, trapped god of evil. Able to force people to do almost anything, they showed as confused or with a strange look on the faces in the write up.
Pro-town, Midkemia Greyblades: Pug (Keep orphan, turned master magician) Sigurd: Tomas (Pug's best friend, half Valheru, due to his armour) Beskar: Macros (The Black Sorcerer) Sasaki Kojiro: Algaranna (Elven Queen) Sprig: Calin (Elven Warleader, son of the Queen) Csargo: Tathar (Eldest Spellweaver) Elite Ferret: Arutha ConDoin, Prince of Krondor Major Robert Dump: Martin ConDoin, Duke of Crydee White_Eyes:D: Lyam ConDoin, King of the Kingdom of the Isles rhawn: Jimmy the Hand, later Squire James then Duke James of Krondor Joooray: Laurie, ex Tsurani slave, bard.
Third Group: Mafia Faction, Kelewan, The Minwanabi House A Very Super Market: Lord Desio of the Minwanabi Khazaar: Lord Tasaio of the Minwanabi Shlin28: Teani, secretly traitor, agent of the Anasati Beefy187: Shimizu, Captain of the Guard
Fourth Group: Kelewan, The Acoma House Zain: Lady Mara of the Acoma CountArach: Strike Leader Papewaio of the Acoma (Yes this is where our moderator papewaio gets his username from) Karo: Force Commander Keyoke, now Advisor for War, of the Acoma
Fifth Group: Kelewan, The Anasati House johnhughthom: Tecuma, Lord of the Anasati GeneralHankerchief: Chumaka, First Advisor of the Anasati
Sixth Group: Kelewan, The Assembley of Magicians Subotan: Shimone Captain Blackadder: Hochopepa
Seventh Group: Kelewan, The Emperor and his bodyguards spltpersonality: Emperor Ichindar Double A: Magician Bodyguard A completely inoffensive name: Magician Bodyguard
Independants: YLC: Delayed Serial Killer, Cho-ja Lord Winter: The Upright Man
It is not a stretch to assume there is going to be multiple factions of differing alignments in this game. However this is still speculation.
The information we know for a fact is as follows: -2 Mafia Goons, 1 Godfather. Initially 1KP per goon, if both goons die then GF gets 2 KP. -No fool/idiot roles. -Each person is given a name/personality. These are taken from mafia players in the totalwar forums.
I feel like we might be able to use the names like a weak clue system, but it will require a lot of research.
Thoughts on people's votes/play so far:
-fluffywhatever: Looks like an import from TotalWar? RNGs a vote on Misder as first post of the day. I don't like doing it but it seems to be common practice on the TW forums.
-aidnai: Another RNG vote. Agrees with Node that coag is playing normally.
-Coag/bum/ace: failsauce
-why: I don't think I've seen him before, but so far I like his play. He did a bit of research into pever's previous games and called GCQ out on scummy play. Looks promising.
-believer: edits, defends GCQ
-darmousseh: I found him quite scummy initially in XXXVI, but that was more due to suspicious voting patterns than anything else, (sheeping scum ) Votes Zerroth with decent reasoning. Seems good for now. Only problem I would have is that he is a bit lacking on activity, but its early yet.
-gryffindor: Another possible import from TWI think? Claims Node defended coag where I don't think there was anything. Seems to be an experienced player that likes playing a lot of mindgames: + Show Spoiler +
On February 11 2011 16:17 gryffindor wrote: I see Coagulation is spazzing out. Why are you spamming the thread? I have a town read already, but I will not disclose on who, and a casual suspicion. I will have to wait to see if I can pick up on any associative tells from them in the future. I might be reading too much into the situation. I do not want to tip them off to tighten up their game, though, as I want to see them lynched.
I am not really for Day 1 policy lynches if the person is town. Does anyone have any meta on Coagulation? I don't want to lose a player to a mislynch, though I do not know his alignment. Can anyone help out on this?
Thanks!
On February 11 2011 18:08 gryffindor wrote: unvote My vote was more for pressure than anything. It didn't really gain the reaction that I wanted.
@Misder, why are you voting who you are voting?
On February 11 2011 21:42 gryffindor wrote: I don't like your OMGUS, and I don't like your response to me, you're my top scumspect. Misder, can you give me a reference to your best town and best scum game? IGMEOY
Keeping an eye on him.
misder: OMGUS votes fluffy. Maybe an overreaction, but seems like a weird move because he's not inexperienced.
Node: Tries to stop the coag clusterfuck by pointing out that coag is playing normally. Tries to get the town back on track to proper discussion. Solid town play imo. This post stands out: + Show Spoiler +
On February 11 2011 17:34 gryffindor wrote: I have to agree with Misder. Node is reading as if he is buddying up to defend a mislynch as scum. vote: Node
I don't follow what you said. You think my plan is to let Coagulation die (even though I'm apparently defending him), and then when we realize that he's not scum (which, as far as I know, we can't), come out and say "I told you so". Do I have it right?
Today's Lynch:
As for today's lynch, saying 'lynch coag cos hes bad lol 111!!' is a stupid idea. Zerroth is a much better candidate by all the reasons given by people voting for coag. He is known to lurk and not contribute from several other games.
Vote: Zerroth
I noticed you were suspicious of me in your post. Is it simply due to my experience? I don't really mind if a wagon forms around me; I'm sure it can be used to benefit us.
I'm assuming this game is similar to the first game, but possibly edited somewhat. The 1/2 godfather/grunt mechanic seems very similar to that. Looking at all those games, in fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see really weird mechanics in play. The best thing to do as town is to roll with the punches, from my personal experience, when given a setup like this. That's all we can really do; It's tough on us without any information! At this point, all we have is speculation.
Speculation on day 1 is just that... speculation. There is nothing solid for us to go on, little scumhunting that can be done, and the only real tactics differ just as people are different. On the extreme liberal side, there is voting lurkers. Somewhere in the middle, we have policy lynching. Or, on the conservative end, there is creating pressure on people who are active and can be held accountable. These players are often more prone to slipping up.
I could be analyzing votecounts, and voting the person first alphabetically who has not voted/posted/appeared pro-town. This would be like fluffy using an RNG in his first post - it is null to me. People who do this are inherently anti-town while giving the appearance of being pro-town, and this sort of thing really needs to be snuffed out and nipped at the heels. I don't want to dip into basing alignment off of activity. Lurkers are going to lurk, and active players are going to be active, regardless of alignment. Remember that, folks.
I could easily bandwagon Coagulation, and my vote and suspiciousness of Node was really just a ploy. Coagulation is one of my two solid town reads thus far, and *I* am willing to defend him. I wish Node would have stepped up to the plate a little better, if anything I am more suspicious of him being scum now than I was when this whole ordeal started. Sorry to go off on a tangent, but what I'm trying to say here is that I don't really like to ride policy lynches.
I have been trying to shift towards the latter. I consider myself a conservative player, but people on this forum are not receptive to my style as town, apparently, as I have been drawing unwanted attention. I feel like John McEnroe objecting to a terrible call by a referee, right now lmao
On February 12 2011 01:45 darmousseh wrote: Zerroth, you haven't said anything yet. People want to hear from you or else you are going to get lynched on day 1 for being inactive.
Can you guys cut it out? I'm starting to think you're doing this on purpose.....
On February 11 2011 19:12 Coagulation wrote: kitaman27 Active player. aggressive sometimes. last game he mocked me for listing people who i had suspicions as mafia even tho i was right.(he was town) has some kind of personal vandetta against me or something. I have played many games with him but hes always been one of those players that doesnt stand out much.
If you call out half the players, you're bound to be right on a couple of them. If you were as experienced as myself, you could have easily identified that I was simply creating a fake bandwagon leading to multiple mafia voting against you. A player like yourself is hardly worth a personal vandetta from a player of my caliber.
On February 11 2011 19:02 bumatlarge wrote: You are right, I am mafia.
EPT
) Votes Zerroth with decent reasoning. Seems good for now. Only problem I would have is that he is a bit lacking on activity, but its early yet. 
