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Don't like it, think of a different one. Tweak it for the better, something. Saying you disagree with something and its a bad idea then going along with it is what leads towns to failure. Jesus. | ||
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If LSB wanted to be helpful he would have created 3-5 different options of role distribution. Or he could have opted to give his list a "randomized" element where instead of say "choose rolecop" it would be "choose investigative role". There are multiple holes. Add in that there are enough players in this version who know their own personal strengths that certain roles are going to benefit them more highly than others and will most likely just choose those regardless. The emphasis so far in this game is "lets make a list of easy to off targets for mafia / make it easy for them to infiltrate" instead of "lets scumhunt." Bad day 1 start | ||
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On January 08 2011 06:15 Fishball wrote: Show nested quote + On January 08 2011 05:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If LSB wanted to be helpful he would have created 3-5 different options of role distribution. Or he could have opted to give his list a "randomized" element where instead of say "choose rolecop" it would be "choose investigative role". This is exactly the main thing I've been trying to say; The main difference between Radfield's plan and his. Huge difference, to be exact. Oh, and just so it's know to the public. I'm calling BC Mafia/SK! I'm calling Fishball on massive troll | ||
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On January 08 2011 06:15 Fishball wrote: Show nested quote + On January 08 2011 06:13 deconduo wrote: On January 08 2011 06:11 Fishball wrote: On January 08 2011 05:15 Pigsquirrel wrote: You don't have a plan either. We currently have two options: LSB's plan, or chaos. Unless we get an option 3, we are probably going to have chaos. I like chaos. What's wrong with that? Makes things exciting. Plus, I don't like to line up in "order" and be executed along with the others one by one. If orgolove was in this game, I bet he would be like "OMFG, scum tell!" Chaos and confusion only benefits mafia. and players like me. Your not the only one. | ||
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On January 09 2011 16:47 Fishball wrote: Unless I'm missing something, which very well may be (haven't been following closely), people are fake claiming? If your actually a 6, then there have been a fair bit of fake claimers. IE people above you. Unless my insanely tired mind has failed me, there is no possible way for you to be between me and eiii and bum unless You are lying about your number or a ton of people ahead of you lied about their number. | ||
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On January 09 2011 17:35 Barundar wrote: I think it’s possible without any mistakes or fake claims if the list looks like this: 1. deconduo [4] [7] 2. Kenpachi [7] [3] 3. kitaman27 [9] [1] 4. CubEdIn [11] [3] 5. Amber[Light] [11] [2] 6. Barundar [13] [10] 7. LayOffRage[1] [1] 8. bumatlarge [1] [1] 9. Jackal58 [6] [9] 10. Fishball [6] [20] 11. HaploPaithan [2] [1-2] 12. Eiii [2] [3] 13. BloodyC0bbler [2] [6] 14. zeks [3] [1] 15. Misder [3] [2] 16. aidnai [3] [3] 17. JimboSilvers [3] [3] 18. GGQ [5] [3] 19. Beneather [5] [15] 20. Pigsquirrel [5] [x] 21. Divinek [5] [1] 22. LSB [5] [1] All of the bolded names are ones that doubled up twice in the picking. As such they were supposed to be pushed to the back of the queue a second time in terms of picking (unless I have understood how this works incorrectly? although the example in the OP appears to be what i am saying). As such for 6 to appear AFTER the two doubled up ones is next to impossible. Just as a 6 appearing infront of the group of two's is next to impossible as the 6's would be processed after the 2's and as none of our numbers doubled up a second time. Also. How did two 11's appear before the 1's, 6s and 2's if they doubled up one one number as well. How did they appear before 13 which is the only person who claimed 13 who had a more unique number. The only way is for a) people to be lying or b) ace screwed up. IF I am looking at the drafts horribly wrong someone feel free to correct me, but as it stands now with how I understand the drafting, it makes next to no sense. also, 11, 3 above 11, 2? Is that possible? | ||
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On January 10 2011 00:35 LSB wrote: Don't worry about what is possible right now. If we keep it unclear, mafia are more likely to mess up fakeclaims. We have day 1 to figure this out anyways. Bloodycobbler what did you pick? already said what mine is above. | ||
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2. Kenpachi [7] [3] 3. kitaman27 [9] [1] 4. CubEdIn [11] [3] 5. Amber[Light] [11] [2] 6. Barundar [13] [10] 7. LayOffRage[1] [1] (only possible combination bump bum back in queue and be infront of him) 8. bumatlarge [1] [1] 9. Jackal58 [6] [9] 10. Fishball [6] [20] 11. HaploPaithan [2] [1] 12. Eiii [2] [3] 13. BloodyC0bbler [2] [6] 14. zeks [3] [1] 15. Misder [3] [2] 16. aidnai [3] [3] 17. JimboSilvers [3] [3] 18. GGQ [5] [3] 19. Beneather [5] [15] 20. Pigsquirrel [5] [16-20] 21. Divinek [5] [1] 22. LSB [5] [1] as of right now the only two non claimers are pigsquirrel and Layoffrage, and due to where they appear in the list they only have one set of possible numbers for both of them. Regardless after this list of claiming it is obvious people are lying. With this as the case your entire role list is going to get destroyed LSB. People who are lying are most likely going to be people who won't follow your draft pick anyway. | ||
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Its pretty obvious most of the fake claiming is going on in the first half of the draft list which gives us a pretty good start on where to start looking. | ||
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On January 10 2011 01:05 LSB wrote: I'd rather have pigsquirrel and LayoffRage claim before making any full conclusion because so many different possibilities are ot there. BC, we need to still follow the plan because the blue roles are going to be taken anyways at the top. In addition, spots 5 and 7 are already role denial spots which can give an immediate red read if the mafia misuses the roles, so we could plug a small part of the hole. there is actually no other number layoffrage can claim, nor can piq. IF they claim something else you know more liars have appeared. regardless of their numbers, we already have the issue with cube and amber where we know 1 is lying. Take the information we have and run with it, don't just wait. We won't find mafia by passively waiting, we have to analyze from the get go. | ||
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On January 10 2011 10:12 Fishball wrote: Preliminary Mafia list. - BloodyC0bbler - zeks - Misder - aidnai/JimboSilvers (pick one) Show nested quote + On January 10 2011 00:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Its pretty obvious most of the fake claiming is going on in the first half of the draft list which gives us a pretty good start on where to start looking. I was the one who pointed out the abnormal picture, but I never once directed town to look for those players who might be lying. It doesn't make sense for town/mafia to lie. There is no gain whatsoever, besides drawing attention to themselves. It was fortunate that this was sorted out by Ace, but nice try there BC. Oh, like I mentioned before, if I'm town, there is a good chance BC is red. 14. zeks [3] [1] 15. Misder [3] [2] 16. aidnai [3] [3] 17. JimboSilvers [3] [3] 3-1, 3-2, 3-3. Really? I'm picking aidnai due to this post. Show nested quote + On January 10 2011 09:14 aidnai wrote: Just going to confirm that according to the plan, I'm supposed to take Witch. Correct? Are you daft? No, you can't be this bad... I hope. You may have "pointed it out" however I did the posting that pointed out how strange the list picks were. It had basically meant fake claiming or host screwup, my bad chose the wrong one. Don't try to play it off as if you did real work on it however as you did not. | ||
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On January 10 2011 10:23 Fishball wrote: Die Fixed your post. You never care my alignment, you just want me dead. | ||
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Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target. | ||
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On January 13 2011 15:07 LSB wrote: I response to Aidnai's question about me being godfather I replied Show nested quote + On January 12 2011 08:58 LSB wrote: I have a very good reason for not saying anything about my role. I drafted Godfather and flipped Vanilla instead. However I did not say anything Firstly, it would cause unessisary cofustion for the town Secondly, it would deny the godfather fakeclaim against DT checks. Once I let loose that the godfather is wild, all mafia will claim godfather once the DT checks them. Lastly, I suspected some other townie tried to deny the role (because in reality, the godfather isn't that benificial to the mafia), so I kept silent so that I could vertify a godfather claim. That other townie would be me -_- Like you however I flipped vanilla. Here I was holding back waiting to see if you would claim that you got it and nail you on it. The joys of mafia. Now before you ream me for being inactive, I am crashing, will be up in like 6 hours and will catch up on everything then and start posting. | ||
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5 potential deaths witch saved one. 4 ended up being dead. We know if you read the role list mafia have starting KP of 1 We also know cpr doctor and joat can act night 1 Each SK (if we have more than one) has a kp of 1 Now, the only possible way for there to be this many deaths is to have cpr / joat both active with 1 red kp and 1 SK or 2 sk, 1 red and 1 cpr. Now, before everyone talks about the likelyhood of there being a joat or not, keep in mind that div managed to snag hider which was supposed to be taken before he got to choose, as well as ggq managing to get day vig well after he should have been able to take it. People will attempt to snag any role they feel they want. Case and point with RoL aiming for traitor while someone else had swiped it already. Copycat may be gone, as could joat, but since both are pretty potent roles it isn't beyond the realm of possibility that they both got snagged anyway. Merely assume until we can prove otherwise that they are still in circulation. Next. Everyone is spending time on finding the traitor, awesome. We know hes one of deconduo (cpr) Kenpachi (godfather) kitaman27 Fishball Amber[Light] CubEdIn Of those 8, 2 are dead, and 2 claimed their roles already. that leaves 4 possible players to have the traitor role. We now have exactly who to look at for terms of who is most likely traitor. If we are lucky we may also have 1 red in that list hurrah. Now, onto the kenpachi situation. He opted to "deny" the gf role from the mafia, a role he felt would be too powerful in their hands. However, why would he opt to take GF? There are far more potent roles for mafia to choose that he could have denied. Joat, day vig, night vig, veteran, bulletproof, copycat. All of these roles are better to deny then the GF. Why you ask? GF is still trackable, and should still be spotted by bulletbill. Sure gf has 1 kp if hes lynched (and only on those who voted for him), but overall the role is not nearly as powerful as one of the ones I listed above. The reason of choosing a role purely to deny it from the mafia seems far too unlikely. Either he has an ulterior motive on top of that, or huge FoS on him. | ||
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He asked at least once, if not more times for people to claim if they got the roles he had emphasized in red. of those, 2 spoke up, 2 didn't choose their role, 1 didn't get their role, 1 is on a list of possible traitor candidates. Now, of the two who didn't take their role, both are dead and flipped random wtf roles, day vig and random townie? Now, in the top 4 players, (4 under our random townie flip jackal) we know he clashed with one of their roles. Vig, CPR, Bulletbill and GF? However, this isn't possible. #4 on the list is dead and was bulletbill Jackal was 5 and claimed he tried to get CC That leaves 3 players alive who are CC All 3 of those have claimed a role, ie 1 is lying. We have already caught Kenpachi in an act of deception as such he is the far more likely target for the CC role except that I know the gf role was sniped well before it ever got to me. As such I am more prone to think that kitaman or decon has the CC role, and whichever one of them took it is likely red/sk. I will hold back my lynch vote until either one of them explains their self. That either means he attempted to get CC and didn't get it, or stupidly aimed for a role that would deff be gone before it got to him (vig/cpr) or aimed for gf? As aiming for gf is unlikely, I would find it far more likely | ||
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On January 14 2011 01:26 CubEdIn wrote: I got the role I was supposed to get, but it backfired. I'm a medic, but I have weird head issues. I may do either of the following: Paranoid Doctor - Protect the target but also roleblocks them Naive Doctor - This protection always fails on the target Weak Doctor - This doctor dies if protecting a player not from their alignment Bad Doctor - Protect the target but have a 25% chance to kill them as well So yeah. Not the most helpful role in the game, and afaik no real way to check which one without risking someone's life (I mostly care about mine). Unless Ace confirms that the "bad" variant exists you are lying and now my lynch target ##vote cubedin Quick scan of the OP will tell you the only variants to doctor are normal, paranoid, naive and weak. As such if ace confirms that he did include the bad variant your off the hook, till then your lying. | ||
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On January 14 2011 01:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Now we move onto LSB. I can't fault him too terribly for not speaking up about gf as well, I didn't get it either and was waiting to see if he spoke up saying he got it before bringing it up, however. He asked at least once, if not more times for people to claim if they got the roles he had emphasized in red. of those, 2 spoke up, 2 didn't choose their role, 1 didn't get their role, 1 is on a list of possible traitor candidates. Now, of the two who didn't take their role, both are dead and flipped random wtf roles, day vig and random townie? Now, in the top 4 players, (4 under our random townie flip jackal) we know he clashed with one of their roles. Vig, CPR, Bulletbill and GF? However, this isn't possible. #4 on the list is dead and was bulletbill Jackal was 5 and claimed he tried to get CC That leaves 3 players alive who are CC All 3 of those have claimed a role, ie 1 is lying. We have already caught Kenpachi in an act of deception as such he is the far more likely target for the CC role except that I know the gf role was sniped well before it ever got to me. As such I am more prone to think that kitaman or decon has the CC role, and whichever one of them took it is likely red/sk. I will hold back my lynch vote until either one of them explains their self. Edited out a thought that I thought I had deleted after realizing jackal claimed he went for CC. | ||
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On January 14 2011 02:17 deconduo wrote: Meh, I thought I had a chance but obviously not now thanks to bumatlarge. I'm SK, I was going to take CPR like I was supposed to but changed to copy cat at the last second while under the influence of a lot of alcohol. Of course in the morning I had no idea I changed my mind and was totally confused when I got CC instead of CPR. It was only by checking my sent PMs that I vaguely remembered what I did. A lesson to not play mafia while drunk I was able to use my KP to take out Jackal, hoping there wouldn't be anything in the day post to differentiate between bullets and zaps. I thought I was pretty safe, but I didn't count on someone (bum) to come up with that idea. Oh well. Also, being first pick as SK is kinda sucky. Theres way too much attention on you. ##Vote Deconduo I'm gonna be nice and not use the Day Vig shot. Good luck everyone <3 You could always be helpful and shoot cube for fake claiming -_- | ||
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On January 14 2011 02:34 CubEdIn wrote: /facepalm. I was hoping to give the Mafia a reason NOT to hit me. (risk of killing someone -> good for the mafia) If you find a way to figure out why I would claim that as mafia, then fine, lynch me. But it's just that medics don't seem to be on-target this game. I was 90% sure someone would defend BULLET BILL, but no. So yeah, if you don't lynch me then mafia will surely kill me sooner or later, now that I claimed and they have basically no reason not to hit me. In fact, fuck it, I'll help you! ##vote Cubedin Your on a list of potential traitor candidates, and you fake claim? Fuck your stupid. | ||
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On January 14 2011 02:34 LSB wrote: So, BC, you're on the balance team. How likely is it that there are 3 SKs in a game? Of the 4 KP. I count 1 Mafia. 1 Deconduo SK 2 Unknown Aces PyP mafia games are balanced differently than most games (and he has never talked to me about balancing this setup), however I doubt there are 3 sk's. 2 possibly, but we know the cpr doctor and joat are not where they are supposed to, so chances are one of those two is still in circulation, and there is a second sk. | ||
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On January 14 2011 02:39 LSB wrote: Wait, so we don't actually have any doctors? Fishball's not a doctor, CubEIn isn't a doctor.... Cube is fake claiming the part of his role that kills people, but staying with doc overall -_-. He just fake claimed while being suspected of traitor. I just don't get people sometimes. | ||
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On January 14 2011 02:41 CubEdIn wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2011 02:34 LSB wrote: So, BC, you're on the balance team. How likely is it that there are 3 SKs in a game? Of the 4 KP. I count 1 Mafia. 1 Deconduo SK 2 Unknown JOAT/CPR/Hider Also, wasn't the Witch supposed to help tonight? The witch already made a save. | ||
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On January 14 2011 02:41 CubEdIn wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2011 02:34 LSB wrote: So, BC, you're on the balance team. How likely is it that there are 3 SKs in a game? Of the 4 KP. I count 1 Mafia. 1 Deconduo SK 2 Unknown JOAT/CPR/Hider Also, wasn't the Witch supposed to help tonight? Also, hider doesn't have KP | ||
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On January 14 2011 02:43 CubEdIn wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2011 02:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 14 2011 02:34 CubEdIn wrote: /facepalm. I was hoping to give the Mafia a reason NOT to hit me. (risk of killing someone -> good for the mafia) If you find a way to figure out why I would claim that as mafia, then fine, lynch me. But it's just that medics don't seem to be on-target this game. I was 90% sure someone would defend BULLET BILL, but no. So yeah, if you don't lynch me then mafia will surely kill me sooner or later, now that I claimed and they have basically no reason not to hit me. In fact, fuck it, I'll help you! ##vote Cubedin Your on a list of potential traitor candidates, and you fake claim? Fuck your stupid. It's spelled "You're". You know, when insulting someone, it's nice if you'd make proper use of your official language. It would make you look less dumb. Also, it's not a fake claim at all. I really am Doctor. I just figured Mafia would have less reason to hit me if i seemed more dangerous. So we do have doctors, they just don't work as they should. It would actually make me appear less educated. Pointing out a horrible flaw in logic, or catching it quickly would still display that I'm not dumb. Hell your claim also made the assumption that no one would read the rules, realize you were lying and get you offed. You also are on a list of possible traitor candidates, fake claimed and set off the red flags saying "traitor here" Good job! | ||
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On January 14 2011 02:44 CubEdIn wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2011 02:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 14 2011 02:41 CubEdIn wrote: On January 14 2011 02:34 LSB wrote: So, BC, you're on the balance team. How likely is it that there are 3 SKs in a game? Of the 4 KP. I count 1 Mafia. 1 Deconduo SK 2 Unknown JOAT/CPR/Hider Also, wasn't the Witch supposed to help tonight? Also, hider doesn't have KP But which could've rescued hider? Witch would only have "rescued" hider had he properly blocked whoever he was hiding behind. I think this is how it would work, but not sure. In regards to him dying, he happened to be hiding behind the wrong person and died with them. | ||
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On January 14 2011 02:52 CubEdIn wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2011 02:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 14 2011 02:43 CubEdIn wrote: On January 14 2011 02:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 14 2011 02:34 CubEdIn wrote: /facepalm. I was hoping to give the Mafia a reason NOT to hit me. (risk of killing someone -> good for the mafia) If you find a way to figure out why I would claim that as mafia, then fine, lynch me. But it's just that medics don't seem to be on-target this game. I was 90% sure someone would defend BULLET BILL, but no. So yeah, if you don't lynch me then mafia will surely kill me sooner or later, now that I claimed and they have basically no reason not to hit me. In fact, fuck it, I'll help you! ##vote Cubedin Your on a list of potential traitor candidates, and you fake claim? Fuck your stupid. It's spelled "You're". You know, when insulting someone, it's nice if you'd make proper use of your official language. It would make you look less dumb. Also, it's not a fake claim at all. I really am Doctor. I just figured Mafia would have less reason to hit me if i seemed more dangerous. So we do have doctors, they just don't work as they should. It would actually make me appear less educated. Pointing out a horrible flaw in logic, or catching it quickly would still display that I'm not dumb. Hell your claim also made the assumption that no one would read the rules, realize you were lying and get you offed. You also are on a list of possible traitor candidates, fake claimed and set off the red flags saying "traitor here" Good job! Yes but fail to understand simple explanations doesn't make you seem to bright either. I didn't fake claim. Fake claiming would be playing like deconduo and leading the town to believe that my role is something different than it is. I claimed DOCTOR. My role is DOCTOR. Can you see the "simple logic" in here? All I did was make-up a trait to make me seem more dangerous TO TOWN. Explain how this would make me a more efficient Mafia? I didn't assume that nobody would read the rules, I hoped that Mafia won't re-read the rules (since, let's face it, we can be quite sure that Mafia didn't pick doctors, unless they were going on the off-shot of getting Weak Doctors and improving their KPs). You can call me a liar, sure, and call Lynch all Liars on me, I'm fine with that, but don't give me the fake claim bee-ess. @LSB: I was more dangerous if the mafia thought I could kill townies. I can't, at best I'm killing myself if I defend a red. But that's a small chance overall. lawl? You lied about a possible type of doctor you could be. You did this WHILE on the suspected traitor list. Do you not get just how bad that is? If the mafia was smart they would auto shoot you on this as it sets off huge signals. You also stated you did this hoping people would re-read the rules also bad move as if I didn't call you out for this, someone else would have, putting you back in the same boat. As for move if your red, it wastes time looking at other people, it gives you a huge wifom defense that people might believe, it sends town into confusion around what roles the reds might have etc... Also, a medic for mafia is a good role. They have to dodge sk hits, and if town has night kp, town KP. | ||
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On January 14 2011 02:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2011 02:52 CubEdIn wrote: On January 14 2011 02:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 14 2011 02:43 CubEdIn wrote: On January 14 2011 02:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 14 2011 02:34 CubEdIn wrote: /facepalm. I was hoping to give the Mafia a reason NOT to hit me. (risk of killing someone -> good for the mafia) If you find a way to figure out why I would claim that as mafia, then fine, lynch me. But it's just that medics don't seem to be on-target this game. I was 90% sure someone would defend BULLET BILL, but no. So yeah, if you don't lynch me then mafia will surely kill me sooner or later, now that I claimed and they have basically no reason not to hit me. In fact, fuck it, I'll help you! ##vote Cubedin Your on a list of potential traitor candidates, and you fake claim? Fuck your stupid. It's spelled "You're". You know, when insulting someone, it's nice if you'd make proper use of your official language. It would make you look less dumb. Also, it's not a fake claim at all. I really am Doctor. I just figured Mafia would have less reason to hit me if i seemed more dangerous. So we do have doctors, they just don't work as they should. It would actually make me appear less educated. Pointing out a horrible flaw in logic, or catching it quickly would still display that I'm not dumb. Hell your claim also made the assumption that no one would read the rules, realize you were lying and get you offed. You also are on a list of possible traitor candidates, fake claimed and set off the red flags saying "traitor here" Good job! Yes but fail to understand simple explanations doesn't make you seem to bright either. I didn't fake claim. Fake claiming would be playing like deconduo and leading the town to believe that my role is something different than it is. I claimed DOCTOR. My role is DOCTOR. Can you see the "simple logic" in here? All I did was make-up a trait to make me seem more dangerous TO TOWN. Explain how this would make me a more efficient Mafia? I didn't assume that nobody would read the rules, I hoped that Mafia won't re-read the rules (since, let's face it, we can be quite sure that Mafia didn't pick doctors, unless they were going on the off-shot of getting Weak Doctors and improving their KPs). You can call me a liar, sure, and call Lynch all Liars on me, I'm fine with that, but don't give me the fake claim bee-ess. @LSB: I was more dangerous if the mafia thought I could kill townies. I can't, at best I'm killing myself if I defend a red. But that's a small chance overall. lawl? You lied about a possible type of doctor you could be. You did this WHILE on the suspected traitor list. Do you not get just how bad that is? If the mafia was smart they would auto shoot you on this as it sets off huge signals. You also stated you did this hoping people wouldn't re-read the rules also bad move as if I didn't call you out for this, someone else would have, putting you back in the same boat. As for move if your red, it wastes time looking at other people, it gives you a huge wifom defense that people might believe, it sends town into confusion around what roles the reds might have etc... Also, a medic for mafia is a good role. They have to dodge sk hits, and if town has night kp, town KP. Used wrong word :p | ||
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On January 14 2011 03:00 CubEdIn wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2011 02:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 14 2011 02:52 CubEdIn wrote: On January 14 2011 02:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 14 2011 02:43 CubEdIn wrote: On January 14 2011 02:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 14 2011 02:34 CubEdIn wrote: /facepalm. I was hoping to give the Mafia a reason NOT to hit me. (risk of killing someone -> good for the mafia) If you find a way to figure out why I would claim that as mafia, then fine, lynch me. But it's just that medics don't seem to be on-target this game. I was 90% sure someone would defend BULLET BILL, but no. So yeah, if you don't lynch me then mafia will surely kill me sooner or later, now that I claimed and they have basically no reason not to hit me. In fact, fuck it, I'll help you! ##vote Cubedin Your on a list of potential traitor candidates, and you fake claim? Fuck your stupid. It's spelled "You're". You know, when insulting someone, it's nice if you'd make proper use of your official language. It would make you look less dumb. Also, it's not a fake claim at all. I really am Doctor. I just figured Mafia would have less reason to hit me if i seemed more dangerous. So we do have doctors, they just don't work as they should. It would actually make me appear less educated. Pointing out a horrible flaw in logic, or catching it quickly would still display that I'm not dumb. Hell your claim also made the assumption that no one would read the rules, realize you were lying and get you offed. You also are on a list of possible traitor candidates, fake claimed and set off the red flags saying "traitor here" Good job! Yes but fail to understand simple explanations doesn't make you seem to bright either. I didn't fake claim. Fake claiming would be playing like deconduo and leading the town to believe that my role is something different than it is. I claimed DOCTOR. My role is DOCTOR. Can you see the "simple logic" in here? All I did was make-up a trait to make me seem more dangerous TO TOWN. Explain how this would make me a more efficient Mafia? I didn't assume that nobody would read the rules, I hoped that Mafia won't re-read the rules (since, let's face it, we can be quite sure that Mafia didn't pick doctors, unless they were going on the off-shot of getting Weak Doctors and improving their KPs). You can call me a liar, sure, and call Lynch all Liars on me, I'm fine with that, but don't give me the fake claim bee-ess. @LSB: I was more dangerous if the mafia thought I could kill townies. I can't, at best I'm killing myself if I defend a red. But that's a small chance overall. lawl? You lied about a possible type of doctor you could be. You did this WHILE on the suspected traitor list. Do you not get just how bad that is? If the mafia was smart they would auto shoot you on this as it sets off huge signals. You also stated you did this hoping people would re-read the rules also bad move as if I didn't call you out for this, someone else would have, putting you back in the same boat. As for move if your red, it wastes time looking at other people, it gives you a huge wifom defense that people might believe, it sends town into confusion around what roles the reds might have etc... Also, a medic for mafia is a good role. They have to dodge sk hits, and if town has night kp, town KP. It's good if I'm read that it wastes time? More than if I would have just stayed low and not said anything? I could have claimed Weak Doctor or Pranoid Doctor and have a LOT more credibility. And I don't care that I'm on the traitor list, you keep pushing that, but I really don't care about it. LSB made it pretty clear why going after the traitor is bad for the town. You know what I WOULD care about? How about the guy who kept the fact that he is CC under the blanket, and let Mafia have CPR. Or the other guy who didn't go with the plan and lost us role #2 of most importance: JOAT. BUT HEY FUCK THAT, THIS GUY LIED AND CAUSED ABSOLUTELY NO DAMAGE TO ANYTHING. LYNCH HIM! Hey look, guy who took CC is SK. Hey look guy who took GF there are plans to kill already. As for saying you don't care your on the traitor list? Why? Town may not want to kill you instantly for being it, but we have to figure out who roughly it is cause guess what, red's are going to aim to recruit that person, hey guess what, that means one more red to deal with later. You made a bad play, accept it and move on. Don't want to die? how about you do some analysis to prove your town aligned and help? thats a good idea, awesome times really. | ||
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On January 14 2011 03:06 Eiii wrote: Is no one else really worried about the fact that either CPR/JOAT is completely unaccounted for? :X If we have one non-SK non-mafia hit, then CPR is probably out there in someone else's hands, and for all we know JOAT is out there doing whatever. If cpr at this point hasn't come out and claimed, its either in mafia hands, second SK hands, or a player who would never tell anyone he had it to begin with. | ||
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HI LSB! *waves* remember me? Maybe you don't but you won't after this I swear! Guess what people its time to analyze the infamous LSB, the planner, the strategizer and the anti town. So lets open up with some fun times. On January 03 2011 10:50 LSB wrote: Information is Beautiful Introductory Notes + Show Spoiler + 1. There are 21 roles, and 21 People. Of these roles. Only three are completely ainti-town. The Godfather, the Traitor, and the Janitor (To a degree). 2. There are two doctors. So even if the mafia knows where two of the most powerful roles are (JOAT, Bullet Bill). It shouldn’t be a problem as we can protect them every single time. 3. The mafia only has 1 kp. So at best, they can only take out one good role a night Taking these two points in mind, I’m coming up with the Information is Beautiful plan. The goal of the plan is to give almost everyone a role so that there will be soo many blues that the mafia can't do anything about it. The plan in a nutshell. We will create a list of roles. For example 1. CPR Doc 2. Comp Vig 3. Janitor. Lets say the draft turns out to be 1. LSB 2. Deconduo 3. Kenpachi LSB would draft the CPR Doc role Deconduo would draft the Comp Vig role Kenpachi would draft the Janitor role We do this for 20 roles. The last person will randomly chose a role. Because picking traitor would be dumb. Step one: Number Picking Phase We want the number picking phase to be as random as possible. So please. No one declare what number they will be picking. This will make it hard for the mafia to predict what spot they will take. We will put together a list of what spot will take which role. This way the mafia won’t be able to pick which role they are forced to take. Step two: Role Drafting Phase Everyone will draft the role they will suppose to be drafting. Step three: Resolve Disputes Lets say the person who was suppose to pick JOAT didn’t get his role. We can start sending Role Cops and Bullet Bills to figure out who took the JOAT role. Considerations Information The mafia would know where every single role would be. This means that our alignment cops are pretty vulnerable. But remember, the town would know where every single role. This opens up lots and lots of possibilities. DTs immediately telling results. Doctors claiming who they are going to protect before they do, so if they actually are weak doctors, we got a 100% mafia. Town will also get up to three KP. 1 Lynch KP. 1 CPR Doc. 1 Comp Vig. The town KP will severely outnumber the mafia KP. Serial Killer There is a key fact about the SK we can exploit. The SK is bulletproof. That means that whenever one of the town hits doesn't go off and is blocked, that person is the SK. Stunning plan which he mentioned pre game. Now lets look at some preliminary comments to it On January 03 2011 13:41 Incognito wrote: Lol @ LSB's plan. Why am I so tempted to join this game... On January 05 2011 00:15 citi.zen wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2011 14:47 Incognito wrote: On January 03 2011 14:43 LSB wrote: On January 03 2011 13:16 kitaman27 wrote: On January 03 2011 10:50 LSB wrote: 2. There are two doctors. So even if the mafia knows where two of the most powerful roles are (JOAT, Bullet Bill). It shouldn’t be a problem as we can protect them every single time. What about the fact that the medics identities will be public too? Couldn't they be picked off day one? On January 03 2011 10:50 LSB wrote:3. The mafia only has 1 kp. So at best, they can only take out one good role a night Town has to worry about 2 kp because the SK will likely be sniping good roles as well. It is unlikely that any of these kills will be blocked if the veteran, bulletproof, hider are all public and the medics are sitting ducks. Would it be better for the anti-town roles to be predetermined so the town has some control over them, while the pro-town roles remain hidden? That would result in some overlap in role selection, however important roles like bullet bill and alignment cop won't be taken out so easily. All right, in order to understand this fully, you have to understand one thing Clash is equivilant to a mafia kill / SK kill Lets say that in my plan, I was assigned the DT and you the Medic. All right, mafia might spend on of their KPs and take out the DT Now, lets say we just randomly choose roles. I picked DT, and you picked DT. Sure the mafia 'doesn't know where the medic is' but we have no medic. Frankly, yeah, one of our DT/Medics will die. But we got 19 other blue roles to draw up on. The point of the plan is to eliminate clash in role selection so that we get an obcene amount of information. If you still don't understand, try propsing a solution. The threat of having a medic is almost as good as actually having a medic. As you know, medic saves are quite rare. As long as mafia thinks there are medics in the game, then they can't just brashly decide to hit someone important and know with confidence that he will die. As long as no medics die, mafia always have to choose hits with the consideration that there might be medics. Town could care less if they actually exist. Agreed! By far the most important thing is keeping the mafia from having perfect information. Actual roles can help depending on how things develop, but they are not the end-all in these games and surely not worth giving the mafia full (or even too much) info. On January 05 2011 07:29 Ace wrote: Since the game hasn't started yet I'll say this about your plan: If I was Scum I'd love it. On January 05 2011 07:40 Ver wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2011 07:29 Ace wrote: Since the game hasn't started yet I'll say this about your plan: If I was Scum I'd love it. Yup. God help the town, especially if they have to deal with a traitor. On January 05 2011 13:32 Fishball wrote: Did LSB just assign a single role to every draft?... That's even worse than Radfield's plan. Now everyone keep in mind, THIS IS ALL PREGAME. It has been turned down by citizen, fishball, ace, incog, and Ver. Now, this is a pretty decent group of players that hated the plan. Now lets see what happens as the first day approaches. On January 07 2011 08:02 LSB wrote: 1. CPR Doc 2. JOAT 3. Vig 4. Bullet Bill 5. Copy Cat 6. Doctor 7. Role Blocker 8. Doctor 9. Day Vig 10. Role Cop 11. Pardoner 12. Alignment Cop 13. Politican 14. Tracker 15. Mason 16. Witch 17. Hider 18. Janitor 19. Bulletproof 20. Prince of Darkness 21. Veteran 22. God Father Philosophy Red Roles are "Watch Roles". These roles if they do anything suspicious the town can easily tell and lynch. Mafia cannot do much with these roles Green Roles are "Pro town roles". These roles are crucial as their abilities to gather information and protect others can bring town victory Blue Roles are "role verifiable roles". These role can easily prove that they picked the role that they were suppose to pick. This will be useful if people find if someone stole their pick, or when we're hunting the traitor. Alternation : The roles that we don't want the mafia to get their hands on are the green roles. That's why I alternated the green roles with the red/blue roles. This way it will be harder for the mafia to snag up these roles. The confirming as started, people have their preliminary alignments, and he begins posting his plan again, wait what? wasnt this already bashed down and proven to be anti town. Still hes pushing it. Lets see some reactions now the game has started. On January 07 2011 08:22 Fishball wrote: Decided to join last minute, I haven't read anything yet, including OP. I'll read it later when I have time. I just want to bring this up front first, it will be very unlikely for me to follow LSB's plan. On January 07 2011 09:04 JimboSilvers wrote: Why should we follow it? Clearly we need some kind of control over certain roles but your plan was already poor received by a lot of people here. Yes you may have altered it but you are still trying to control every pick which keeps some of the same problems. I have yet to finish reading #2 but Ace already said mafia lost due to inactivity not the plan. Using that as support seems stupid. But there's a more important reason. This is GODAMN PICK YOUR POWER 3. It's going to be awesome. It is not LSB's slumberhouse of bored afkers. I sure as hell aint using no predetermined list. On January 07 2011 09:49 Amber[LighT] wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2011 09:08 LSB wrote: Why we need the plan? Would happen with everyone picking what they want? For starters: There's going to be a few townies that get the role they want. Maybe there's going to be a Bullet Bill, and a JOAT. There's going to be a whole bunch of townies that tried to pick the Bullet Bill and the Joat, but didn't get it so they just ended up green. There's going to be a whole bunch of roles that are important left untouched because no townie decided to pick it. It's going to be easy for mafia to pick up the roles they want. Just get a high draft number and start stealing. You act like it will be so easy for mafia to get high draft numbers. Doing it this way allows them to downplay their draft numbers, giving them more comfort during the draft for roles that could be beneficial for them or detrimental for the town to lose. On January 07 2011 13:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: also lsb -_- *facepalm* Your plan gives wayyyyyy to much information to mafia. It also gives the mafia a stupid easy time of faking being town depending on the role they get. On January 07 2011 14:06 bumatlarge wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2011 08:22 Fishball wrote: Decided to join last minute, I haven't read anything yet, including OP. I'll read it later when I have time. I just want to bring this up front first, it will be very unlikely for me to follow LSB's plan. I'm going to do what fishball is doing. I think LSB's list is a nice guideline for what you should be looking for, but it should not be set in stone. It's easily infiltrated and a lot can get screwed up. I think you should rewrite the list LSB with what you think is best for each slot, and then add an alternative choice. For instance, Slot 1 should take CPR doc 100%, so we can keep tabs. Now I would argue that slot 2 should take CV, because we want to minimize confusion in the case of clash. Then again, your plan of staggering the pro-town/mafia-denied roles will make it very difficult for mafia to secure what they want. If we assume the mafia is going to play safe, then this should go smoothly. Yet mafia may be willing to play risky, jeopardizing town's plan of denying and securing in exchange for a member. I think we should leave it up to who gets the role. Now for numbers, I'd say if you want to be pro-town and possibly net a powerful role, go [1-7][1]. This threatens mafia in tying, forcing them to take odder numbers. If you want a strong role and feel you will play it beneficially, go [1-10][1-5]. If you feel a lot of suspicion, you can roll high, can placed towards the middle and check what your suspect picks, though that should be only when you feel very strongly about someone's scumosity. But if you do find an alternate role pick, and that person hasn't been secretive about what they will pick, you net the whole town a traitor or a sneaky scum. But that's also a high risk chance of you checking a townie and getting vanilla, or you making an accurate FoS, but finding that mafia has no plans of diverting from his role. So in short, LSB's list should just highly recommend things. If you get slot 9 and think you want to see if you can get JOAT, Go for it! If you are slot 1, tell everyone you are picking CPR, and then pick GF instead, then you got some 'splainin to do. On January 07 2011 16:25 Misder wrote: /confirm I think this debate will become down to whether or not giving town info/roles outweighs giving mafia info/roles. Couple things for the plan: 1) Mafia has only 1 KP, so I feel like the only way they can possibly win is if they get a KP role. 2) Role cop has some usage by checking roles and seeing if it corresponds to what role they should have gotten. 3) Allows for more roles a) Avoids clash between town for important town roles ie tracker (although refer to 1b and 2 of the following list) 4) Doesn't guarantee a stop in giving mafia roles that they would want ie CPR Doc Couple things I'm concerned about LSB's plan: 1) Guarantee that mafia will get roles a) Since we know the draft order once we pick numbers, if mafia lands on one of the roles that is crucial to mafia, ie vigilante, mafia can relax in getting the role they want. b) Even if mafia doesn't get the role they want according to LSB's list, they may still conform with the list just to deny the town with a useful role ie Bullet Bill c) All the roles are useful for mafia in some way (except role cop, but refer to 2) 2) Still doesn't stop mafia from clashing with important town roles, esp if mafia ends up with a role that they don't want 2) Plan makes bulletproof and veteran useless, as they can't draw in mafia KP. 3) Mafia will know who is what role, and is able to target by role instead of in the dark. Right now, I'm leaning towards no to LSB's plan, partly because of pregame discussion but mostly because I feel cons outweigh pros. Ok everyone, I know what your thinking? why is he quoting so many peoples posts. Simple, This is an example of all the kickback this plan got, from pre game, into number drafting. STILL, he pushed this plan. It was pushed all the way up till the draft picks were assigned, and continued into the current day where people "should have picked" specific roles. However, if you think the whole idea of pushing this plan is bad, keep in mind he sat back and did not claim he didn't recieve his role. Normally this wouldn't be considered a bad thing, except for reasons like this. On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote: If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. On January 10 2011 13:56 LSB wrote: To be more specific. If roles 2,3,4,5,7,18,20 followed the plan and did not get their role, please claim. On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote: Jackal58 should be the copycat. But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched. On January 12 2011 04:53 LSB wrote: aidnai. Can you please roleclaim? On January 12 2011 08:54 aidnai wrote: about your night plan LSB, barundar's verification is subject to being checked by a role cop, fishball's is subject to having a tracker play along with us. Zeks already said he's not going with your plan, so there's a good chance we don't have a tracker. Eiii did agree to pick rolecop, but he hasn't mentioned if he got it or if he'll check barundar. If we don't get these checks, that leaves a lot of wiggle room for scum. Also Show nested quote + On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote: If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. You the godfather LSB? On January 12 2011 08:58 LSB wrote: I have a very good reason for not saying anything about my role. On January 12 2011 09:09 LSB wrote: Are you bulletproof? On January 13 2011 13:34 LSB wrote: This is an important question. HaploPaithan, are you the doctor? On January 13 2011 13:50 LSB wrote: Kenpachi Claimed that he wasn't the CC. I'd rather wait for HaploPaithan's claim. My position on who to lynch will be determined on this. On January 13 2011 13:58 LSB wrote: I don't think Kita is the CC. If I had to pick the mafia team and their roles Deconduo- CC Kenpachi- Some Mafia role Mafia Member 1- CPR Doc Mafia Member 2- JOAT Now, he has had more posts obviously, but the majority of his pregame/draft pick/day 1/beginning of day 2 is now up quoted. See the pattern? Very little is actually offered. He pushes a plan that is agreed upon to be anti town by the majority. He then after failing to get his own role via the draft pick sits back and asks for people to claim, repeatedly. Its an information hunt, building who has x role. We then have him refuse to claim when asked when he was assigned one of the roles that was supposed to claim into the main thread if it was taken by someone else. See that last part there? HE DIDN"T FOLLOW HIS OWN PLAN. Period. He didn't follow the plan he was trying to push, he tried to farm information from people. He refused to claim, but still tried to call the shots on what other roles are doing. Plus, most of his posts are fluff. I realize that I have not been the most active of people, but this is getting ridiculous. A player who has played this game so anti town is unbelievable that A) he is still be listened to B) He isn't dead yet C) Everyone is oblivious to points A and B. Everyone just sit back and re read his posts. Aside from his "plan" that next to no one followed (including himself no less!), he has posted very little contributions to the thread aside from trying to bandwagon kenpachi and aidnai. Today he begins the hunt for the traitor (which I am equally as bad for), and speculating on roles. Overall he has done very very very little to actually benefit the town, and more to benefit himself / mafia. With the way he has been playing he is either a second SK or part of the mafia. Regardless, not enough posts of his appear townlike, and far too many appear anti town. | ||
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On January 14 2011 07:55 aidnai wrote: Here's why I think BC is scum. 1) Show nested quote + On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ##vote layoffrage Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target. By BC's own logic, we are left with a damn good chance that either BC or fishball is red, and BC has given more reasons why he's a better lynch. 2) disappears for 48 hours. As an experienced player, you're always a night kill target. If you're gonna have any effect on the game as a townie, you better get it done before the day 2 post comes up. BC had like 15 posts total before today. If you're scum though, sure, lay low as long as there's already chaos and the lynch targets are all townies (yesterday, the lynch targets were RoL and Jackal, both green). 3) resurfaces with FOS's on Kenpachi, Cubed, and LSB. It looks to me like BC is just throwing out enough accusations to see what sticks so town will be occupied with deciding to lynch either a town GF, a likely town doctor, or our town leader. Although I will readily admit that ken picking godfather is weird, and it's possible he saved JOAT for a scum further down the draft. And cubed I was suspicious of before today, but less so after his claim. 4) He picked godfather?! this role is much more useful to scum than town (because of alignment checks), so um, why pick it over something like doctor? if you are thinking you won't live long, why not hider or bulletproof or vet? or a one time use like witch? or if you want to deny scum a role, how about prince of darkness or janitor, which are both pretty dangerous for town? However, I think as a mafia, GF is a great choice for BC. BC should be a prime target for an alignment check, since he's an experienced player AND hard to read, so GF for him could save the scum team a lot of headaches... Speaking of alignment checks, What did you find out last night? As you are the only one who analyzed me, I will spend the time to comment to you. Between Fish and I, chances are one of us is red, I will agree with you there, although chances are higher that he is traitor than red, however I think fish and I can also both agree that we almost always gun for eachother in every game in some form. Still, I will give you valid point for one. My inactivity for point 2. First off, let me mention that I have what is it called...oh yes a job. As a cook the hours I work are absolutely retarded. However, that only explains some of it. As for the rest. Guess what, if I stay under the radar long enough the mafia won't hit me for the simple reason that I am playing in a way they can't read. Factor in that big names much like myself also often attract medic protection early on I am not a safe night 1 hit. I am sorry you don't understand the way I play, but don't think I play "standardly" fatal mistake to make. Point 3 time. I start to post, (much like I promised I would the night before!) and post analysis. I try to emphasis on the idiodicness of kenpachi taking gf as #2 pick based on his arguments. Simple FoS that hey, I wasnt the only one to make. The FoS on cube. Guess what, he lied. Plain and simple he lied, straight up, made a generic assumption no one would be smart enough to double check the role list, and I called him out on it. Factor in hes a suspect for traitor and it makes him look all the more guilty. Then for LSB, guess what, everything I posted is accurate. Look at the posts, analyze it. The guy has not been behaving in the best interest of the town. Anyone can see that with the posts brought up. Yet here you are defending him, interesting. Point 4 Two simple reasons for choice of GF. 1) deny a scummy looking player his role 2) take a role that would give me a KP to use as I don't see very many people focusing on behavioural analysis anymore. IN ANY GAME. As its a role that was less likely to be noticed for its KP purposes I went for it. It fits my style completely. Now you mentioning its a role that is good for me. Your right, I believe I can use a KP role better than most. You don't realize however, that I don't need the gf's ability to appear as town. 1) I am town 2) I don't need the cover to hide even if I were red or sk. As for choosing a medic role? why would I. They are all inconsistent in their ability (cpr can kill people, medics can be of enough variants to be useless) and the way I hit people as mafia is unique compared to most players. Guess what, none of the people who died fit my criteria for night 1 hits. And to better clarify the "role check bit" You do realize the amount of chaos I could create in a case I was spotted to be red far outweighs the cons of being caught right? Instead I am being rational, doing analysis of players who are caught lying. How about instead of critiquing me based on my "activity" you look at my contributions. How about next you then compare those contributions and compare the contributions of other players and realize a person who sits back and posts intelligent posts doesn't mean he's mafia, merely waiting for morons to be morons. I will also refute part of LSB's refute to my post, after which he should auto die as Hell, I caught him lying again. On January 14 2011 05:55 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2011 05:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Everyone just sit back and re read his posts. Aside from his "plan" that next to no one followed (including himself no less!), he has posted very little contributions to the thread aside from trying to bandwagon kenpachi and aidnai. Today he begins the hunt for the traitor (which I am equally as bad for), and speculating on roles. This is a flat out lie. I was against the aidnai lynch from the start. In addition after Kenpachi claimed godfather I confirmed and defended him. In addition, I am not hunting for the traitor. The hunt for the Copy Cat was a night role confirming game where we were trying to net a red. Todays target of CubE... I don't want to repeat myself so you can just look at my posts. And what's bad about speculating about roles? Sure, if that's all I did, I understand. However I have done much more, and someone has to do it else we get people like CubE running around who thinks Deconduo is some kind of Mafia CPR Doc. On January 12 2011 04:53 LSB wrote: aidnai. Can you please roleclaim? On January 12 2011 04:54 LSB wrote: ##Vote aidnai Regardless of you saying its a lie, you voted for him, showing that even if you "disagreed" with the wagon you still jumped on it. No excuse at all. If you have convictions that someone is town, you don't vote for them, period. Also LSB, speculating on who has what role is awesome, but guess what, its also fing useless to a degree. We can figure out till the cows come home that someone is a medic, however, that doesn't tell us if they are mafia. YOUR ACTIONS ALL GAME HAVE BEEN ANTI TOWN. Simple. You may just be playing horrifically as town, but when every action is anti town, that says a lot about the player. However, you getting random people to rise up and defend you is supplying the town with information it needs to find the reds, cause this sort of situation flushes them out nicely. | ||
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On January 14 2011 14:15 LSB wrote: I think this senario could be a lot clearer after finding out your intentions Vote Fishball As for Kenpachi not being godfather, that would mean someone above BC is the godfather, and when I look at the role list it seems unlikely. If kenpachi isn't the GF (how the hell isn't he? did he just claim ANOTHER ROLE), that would mean someone between #3 and #12 is the gf. at 13 I aimed for it and didn't get it. I honestly don't get you people. ##vote LSB You are just way to scummy right now not to vote for. | ||
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On January 14 2011 12:20 aidnai wrote: omg I have a new profile pic! Thanks Bum! BTW bum, I'm sorry you're pictures didn't make it clear enough for me. Did you say you tracked LSB somewhere? or got actual information? LSB has made my eyebrows raise a couple times, for instance, Show nested quote + On January 11 2011 08:48 LSB wrote: I'm going all out analytics this game. Work last game helping find the sk, so don't expect much spam from me. Well, LayoffRage is probably the day vig (if not vanilla), so... vs. Show nested quote + On January 13 2011 03:30 LSB wrote: On January 13 2011 03:26 kitaman27 wrote: @LSB, relying on roles rather than analysis? You know better than that, don't you? I'm not sure why I would be considered murkey, with the exception of the traitor plausibility which I can confirm tomorrow. I wouldn't mind a medic on myself and deconduo considering a MIA copycat with an extra kp would be extremely dangerous. Have you seen recent TL analysis? XXXV was a game of lynching and shooting people who actually decided to think rather than blindly following the general opinion. I'd rather not trust this game on the so call 'analysis' thankyouvery much. As well as Show nested quote + On January 11 2011 08:48 LSB wrote: I'm going all out analytics this game. Work last game helping find the sk, so don't expect much spam from me. Well, LayoffRage is probably the day vig (if not vanilla), so... vs. LSB total in-thread post count: 148 = 1/6th of all posts in a 30 player game = 5x average persons post count. But does all that make him scum? DrH for example has a history of spamming the thread, bossing the town around, asking for roleclaims, etc as an actual townie. It's easy to do when you don't trust anyone else to lead the town or make decisions. I'm conflicted trying to read him... One thing LSB did that doesn't make sense from a scum point of view: he told me to save barundar, who was very possibly the mafia's hit. Blue snipe, good role, LSB told me that's who I should save. Unfortunate that he was a minute or two late to tell me, but since Barundar flipped, we know LSB's pick would have in fact saved town/bullet bill... Also, I don't think it's likely that both LSB and BC are scum. Perhaps one scum, one SK, but how likely is that? not very in my opinion. And of the two of them, only LSB has a justifiable reason for picking GF. So I'm sticking to my guns on this one. Shoot BC. You just quoted posts of LSB's that are contradicting in nature and still want me dead.....that is perhaps the most hilarious thing I have ever seen. As for justifiable reasons for picking GF, he had none aside from a scum made plan...one he didn't fully follow as guess what. HE DIDN"T CLAIM HIS ROLE WAS TAKEN. which was part of his plan, he was one of the roles marked in red. You can say he had a "justifiable reason" for taking his role, but he then failed to follow through on his plan and began role fishing for information. You also compare him to DrH, who has a history of doing the same thing as LSB, and leading town's to terrrrrrible outcomes. Remember in the first bootcamp game where he lost the game for the town by day 2? Yea, that's the level of player you just compared lsb to, someone who as town throws the game away. Yet you still are following him? You're seeing a player who is obviously not playing town sided, one who lies, and yet you still want me dead? Are you really playing this stupidly? | ||
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On January 14 2011 15:36 aidnai wrote: Here's what's stupid, BC: Show nested quote + Point 3 time. I start to post, (much like I promised I would the night before!) and post analysis. I try to emphasis on the idiodicness of kenpachi taking gf as #2 pick based on his arguments. Simple FoS that hey, I wasnt the only one to make. The FoS on cube. Guess what, he lied. Plain and simple he lied, straight up, made a generic assumption no one would be smart enough to double check the role list, and I called him out on it. Factor in hes a suspect for traitor and it makes him look all the more guilty. Then for LSB, guess what, everything I posted is accurate. Look at the posts, analyze it. The guy has not been behaving in the best interest of the town. Anyone can see that with the posts brought up. Yet here you are defending him, interesting. We're all busy. I have a job too. And spamming the thread just makes it hard to sort through anything. Therefore, you have to pick your battles. You have to post carefully and stay focussed. When you think you found a scum, you have to make your case and follow through. Even if you brought up legitimate points against LSB cubed and kenpachi (which I acknowledged in my original post), you're not following through, you're not trying to convince us they're scum, you're just throwing it out there to see if we'll bite. Tell me, do you really think all three of them are scum? Even here as you are defending your FOS's, you're not accusing them of actually being scum, you're just criticizing their play. But townies make mistakes, and bad townie =/= scum. Scumhunting 101. Show nested quote + On January 14 2011 14:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ... You just quoted posts of LSB's that are contradicting in nature and still want me dead.....that is perhaps the most hilarious thing I have ever seen. As for justifiable reasons for picking GF, he had none aside from a scum made plan...one he didn't fully follow as guess what. HE DIDN"T CLAIM HIS ROLE WAS TAKEN. which was part of his plan, he was one of the roles marked in red. You can say he had a "justifiable reason" for taking his role, but he then failed to follow through on his plan and began role fishing for information. You also compare him to DrH, who has a history of doing the same thing as LSB, and leading town's to terrrrrrible outcomes. Remember in the first bootcamp game where he lost the game for the town by day 2? Yea, that's the level of player you just compared lsb to, someone who as town throws the game away. Yet you still are following him? You're seeing a player who is obviously not playing town sided, one who lies, and yet you still want me dead? Are you really playing this stupidly? You're doing it again-- equating bad town play with scum play. It's not the same, even bad townies want the town to win. Lynching a bad townie gets you closer to a scum win, not a town win. So tell us, is LSB scum or a bad townie? Your attack on DrH by the way is over the top. Luck conspired against town in salem as well as bad play. DrH was goaded into forming a circle by a random medic claim. Southrawrea happened to be chosen as godfather, and happened to be checked by the DT night 1. Although DrH was entirely too focussed on the town circle, his analysis did correctly identify Radfield and Jimbosilvers as scum as the game progressed. Also, I'm not aware of LSB or DrH having a particularly bad record of leading towns to terrrrrrible outcomes. But I guess you've been around longer... I still think you are scum (or maybe SK?). dude, again, this shows your lack of experience. I DISPLAYED WHERE THEIR ERROR WAS. When someone makes a massive fuck up you FoS them, period. Of the three I have pointed out two were FoS, and one is a legimate push. You can easily tell the difference based on the level of analysis I did on LSB compared to the other two. You can say all I'm doing is critiquing their play but all I did was hold them accountable for their actions. You're seemingly letting that slide? No dice duder. Someone lies, call them out on it. Townies have very few instances where lying benefits the town, and its something they do alot more often recently, which gives the mafia a huge berth to hide in. It should be obvious it is LSB i most strongly feel about at this point. Which is why I voted for him, which is why I made a huge document post on his behaviour. As for salem. As the host I can say there were multiple situations going on, and the only "unlucky" side was mafia infiltrating the circle as quickly as it did. The general pretense on which the game was played was bad. The writeups and general opinions on that game have been written and have pointed out the flaws of that game. I only used it as you compared LSB and DrH, and I opted for a game that most shows the correlation between the two as LSB has a habit of making plans I disagree with/I think are bad. You are also free to your opinion on what I am, however if you so strongly believe I'm anti town, do what your saying I'm not. Make a huge behavioural post on me like I did on LSB. As of now you have heavy FoS me, but had very little backup and more than anything speculation as your proof. Use my posts, Use what I say. If you can't find anything there then I am most likely legit. Go read over the post I made up on lsb and realize that is how you behavioural analyze. | ||
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On January 15 2011 02:34 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2011 22:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 14 2011 15:36 aidnai wrote: Here's what's stupid, BC: Point 3 time. I start to post, (much like I promised I would the night before!) and post analysis. I try to emphasis on the idiodicness of kenpachi taking gf as #2 pick based on his arguments. Simple FoS that hey, I wasnt the only one to make. The FoS on cube. Guess what, he lied. Plain and simple he lied, straight up, made a generic assumption no one would be smart enough to double check the role list, and I called him out on it. Factor in hes a suspect for traitor and it makes him look all the more guilty. Then for LSB, guess what, everything I posted is accurate. Look at the posts, analyze it. The guy has not been behaving in the best interest of the town. Anyone can see that with the posts brought up. Yet here you are defending him, interesting. We're all busy. I have a job too. And spamming the thread just makes it hard to sort through anything. Therefore, you have to pick your battles. You have to post carefully and stay focussed. When you think you found a scum, you have to make your case and follow through. Even if you brought up legitimate points against LSB cubed and kenpachi (which I acknowledged in my original post), you're not following through, you're not trying to convince us they're scum, you're just throwing it out there to see if we'll bite. Tell me, do you really think all three of them are scum? Even here as you are defending your FOS's, you're not accusing them of actually being scum, you're just criticizing their play. But townies make mistakes, and bad townie =/= scum. Scumhunting 101. On January 14 2011 14:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ... You just quoted posts of LSB's that are contradicting in nature and still want me dead.....that is perhaps the most hilarious thing I have ever seen. As for justifiable reasons for picking GF, he had none aside from a scum made plan...one he didn't fully follow as guess what. HE DIDN"T CLAIM HIS ROLE WAS TAKEN. which was part of his plan, he was one of the roles marked in red. You can say he had a "justifiable reason" for taking his role, but he then failed to follow through on his plan and began role fishing for information. You also compare him to DrH, who has a history of doing the same thing as LSB, and leading town's to terrrrrrible outcomes. Remember in the first bootcamp game where he lost the game for the town by day 2? Yea, that's the level of player you just compared lsb to, someone who as town throws the game away. Yet you still are following him? You're seeing a player who is obviously not playing town sided, one who lies, and yet you still want me dead? Are you really playing this stupidly? You're doing it again-- equating bad town play with scum play. It's not the same, even bad townies want the town to win. Lynching a bad townie gets you closer to a scum win, not a town win. So tell us, is LSB scum or a bad townie? Your attack on DrH by the way is over the top. Luck conspired against town in salem as well as bad play. DrH was goaded into forming a circle by a random medic claim. Southrawrea happened to be chosen as godfather, and happened to be checked by the DT night 1. Although DrH was entirely too focussed on the town circle, his analysis did correctly identify Radfield and Jimbosilvers as scum as the game progressed. Also, I'm not aware of LSB or DrH having a particularly bad record of leading towns to terrrrrrible outcomes. But I guess you've been around longer... I still think you are scum (or maybe SK?). dude, again, this shows your lack of experience. I DISPLAYED WHERE THEIR ERROR WAS. When someone makes a massive fuck up you FoS them, period. Of the three I have pointed out two were FoS, and one is a legimate push. You can easily tell the difference based on the level of analysis I did on LSB compared to the other two. Great, so know you are pulling the experience card? Firstly, I did not make an error. You still have refused to address my reasons and you just simply pretend they don't exist Show nested quote + As for salem. As the host I can say there were multiple situations going on, and the only "unlucky" side was mafia infiltrating the circle as quickly as it did. The general pretense on which the game was played was bad. The writeups and general opinions on that game have been written and have pointed out the flaws of that game. I only used it as you compared LSB and DrH, and I opted for a game that most shows the correlation between the two as LSB has a habit of making plans I disagree with/I think are bad. The difference between me and DrH is that my plans, when followed work. XXX RAM And if you guys actually listened to what I wrote in XXXV the game would have turned out incredibly different. The reason why you don't see me as much is because the mafia makes it a point to kill me so I can't lead the plan. Annul tunneling me in XXXV, me getting nightkilled in XXX. Now Fishball (and possibly you) in PYP3 The key issue is that you aren't willing to actually debate the plan besides a simple statement of "I don't agree with it". This shows that your fears are baseless and rather because of mafia orientation. Which reasons would you like me to address? the ones revolving around your shoddy plan? The sketchyness of your actions on trying to force people to roleclaim? How about not contributing real analysis? Your actions are what I am analyzing, any excuse you can come up with at this point is wifom. IF you had only had one or two issues that were minor, then sure your reasons would be more than valid, however when there is a huge amount of information against you, the likelyhood of legit reasons are less. Hell, the reasons behind your not claiming were purely bad. IT does not confirm kenpachi, period. Your plan gave insane information to mafia (if it had been followed), you have then spent the game trying to force people to roleclaim. I don't know how many times I have to tell you this, Roles mean dick all. Mafia at this point could have any role, and the more emphasis you have on them to "prove their role" to legitimize them as town is dumb. Mafia can use a role to prove their role, that says nothing of their alignment. As for not furthering to discuss your plan. Why would I continue going into it. Pure fact it would have given the mafia a clear window to win. You know who has the ability to absorb night hits, you avoid them, you know who meds are, who has KP, who has Investigate roles, etc.... All the information on who to snipe is then in their hands, whereas town still has to behavioural analyze. Plain simple fact, your plan gave more information to mafia, and not enough to town. IT also hinges on the "leadership" to be town which you cannot guarentee. You frankly assumed you would be town, assumed mafia would be stupid, assumed sk's would be stupid, assumed every player would be naive, assumed you were better than everyone else, and assumed that having a plan and knowing who has what role = knowing their alignment. Guess what? you were wrong. Knowing someones role means dick. KP roles will still act in the way they best see fit, medics will still save who they think should be saved, etc..., however if you take the uncertainty of who is what, the mafia can hit freely, dodge protections, etc... You are literally unable to hold anyone accountable for their actions, as mafia would have had a list of roles, and regardless of what they drafted could easily hide in the towns numbers and let it off itself. I will now say this to everyone playing. This goes also for people who aren't playing but are reading. Towns do not win mafia by having their roles do amazing jobs because of skill, that is luck. Good towns win by analyzing players, and getting mafia lynched. The whole idea of having one central leader, relying on blue roles to find the reds is purely dumb. LSB's entire plan hinged on certain roles not being in red hands, and somehow thinking mafia would be dumb and not use information to properly snipe while be safely able to hide within the towns numbers. His plan didn't have behavioural analysis as its core, which is how towns win. That is fact. Towns for games have been relying on a central leadership/blues to do the work, that is not how you win this game. | ||
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On January 15 2011 04:13 Amber[LighT] wrote: Show nested quote + On January 15 2011 03:23 HaploPaithan wrote: If LSB is an SK then he doesn't care about traitor. If LSB is scum, well they don't have much use for the traitor if he is likely to die soon anyways. Lets face it, Fishball is likely to die in the next day or 2, I was actually under the impression that Kita was going to shoot him tonight, so hunting down the traitor doesn't really hurt scum too much at this point. LSB is trying to get the town off of him and focused on the traitor again. Then after Fishball dies and turns up as traitor(most likely) town forgets they were investigating LSB. TBH BC isn't going to let LSB live if Fishball doesn't flip traitor, and I wouldn't either. Even if fishball flips traitor I won't let up -_- Antitown is still antitown, and at the moment traitor doesn't count towards mafia #'s so having town hunt the traitor is more beneficial to them. It ultimately benefits town, but it benefits mafia more at this juncture. | ||
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On January 15 2011 09:02 CubEdIn wrote: P.S.: If deconduo does get lynched, I would strongly advice for him to use shoot on one of the lurkers. If you hit a townie, it's not a useful townie. If you hit a mafia, maybe we can stop lynch in time and give you a shot to use night powers. In fact, shoot someone right now. Anyone you think is scum. Be a hero, help the game! I like vodka. Thats a terrible idea -_-. At the moment it is 9-10 town vs 7-8 anti town (5 mafia, 1 - 2 sk, 1 traitor). Any random townie death pretty well seals the town loss. | ||
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##vote Aidnai Actually, since LSB flipped red it is unlikely they are in cahoots. ##unvote ##vote Deconduo | ||
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On January 15 2011 09:20 LSB wrote: I was going to win with you Deconduo! Should have remembered, once a backstabber, always a backstaber... Fucking, wrecked. | ||
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On January 15 2011 09:51 deconduo wrote: I want to lynch fishball today, and then I will shoot BC tonight. Wait? You want to kill the player who just analyzed an anti town player behaviourally and helped the town not die as fast at night? Ok guys, why are we leaving him alive now? | ||
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On January 15 2011 09:55 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On January 15 2011 09:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 15 2011 09:51 deconduo wrote: I want to lynch fishball today, and then I will shoot BC tonight. Wait? You want to kill the player who just analyzed an anti town player behaviourally and helped the town not die as fast at night? Ok guys, why are we leaving him alive now? Who would you suggest then? Someone working against the best interests of the town would be awesome. So someone who knowingly lied, someone who should be playing more actively but sitting back (bumatlarge, amber, halpo) or someone who was really active previously and have vanished into inactivity like misder and jimbosilvers | ||
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##vote bumatlarge I lay off you for now, and shown you one of the players I plan to analyze next (unless he starts posting actively). | ||
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On January 15 2011 09:58 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On January 15 2011 09:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 15 2011 09:55 deconduo wrote: On January 15 2011 09:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 15 2011 09:51 deconduo wrote: I want to lynch fishball today, and then I will shoot BC tonight. Wait? You want to kill the player who just analyzed an anti town player behaviourally and helped the town not die as fast at night? Ok guys, why are we leaving him alive now? Who would you suggest then? Someone working against the best interests of the town would be awesome. So someone who knowingly lied, someone who should be playing more actively but sitting back (bumatlarge, amber, halpo) or someone who was really active previously and have vanished into inactivity like misder and jimbosilvers I was thinking misder/beneather might be mafia. Beneather is in danger of being modkilled though. That leaves misder as a good target then if beneather gets mk'd. | ||
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On January 15 2011 10:09 Fishball wrote: Show nested quote + On January 15 2011 10:08 Kenpachi wrote: On January 15 2011 10:04 Fishball wrote: On January 15 2011 10:01 Kenpachi wrote: Deconduo, dont worry you will not die. YOu have my word on that. Fishball is BSing hardcore So first, you spit out gibberish that I have no clue what you're talking about, and now you're saying I'm BS. Back it up, or you're the one BS'ing hardcore. Okay so what led you to "roleclaim" to the public? ??? When the !@#$ did I role claim to the public? You didn't, hes making shit up. | ||
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On January 15 2011 10:14 Kenpachi wrote: oh you didnt? i just skimmed the last 5 pages and got the assumption you and BC did.. I actually claimed ages ago. | ||
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On January 15 2011 10:19 CubEdIn wrote: Just wondering, do we know for sure who SK wins with? Because if he wins with Mafia then he knew LSB wasn't Mafia. Maybe there was a town SK and a Mafia SK. I'm just saying. We're giving him a chance to kill someone at night, and we're not sure of his alignment. Do you guys seriously think you'll get a bandwagon going on Fishball in 1h? his win conditions are clearly labeled in the OP of the game. | ||
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On January 15 2011 10:20 Kenpachi wrote: no dude theyre 3rd party. also, BC whats your claim? Vanilla townie, I attempted to snag GF but you already swiped it -_- This is not new news. | ||
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On January 15 2011 10:34 kitaman27 wrote: Why is everyone so satisfied with no lynch? Scum should be more afraid of dec since their kp can't hurt him. EVERYONE SHOULD BE VOTING FOR FISHBALL BC are you seriously going to bring up bum 30 minutes before the lynch? Why isn't your vote on traitor suspect. Cube, if you want to clear yourself as traitor then I want your vote on fishball. To those who are abstaining or voting for useless candidates, I will be hitting one of you with my kp if you decide to ignore the lynch. aka (cube, aidnai, Beneather , haplo, pig) There are 30 minutes remaining. Simple, Fish is smarter to keep around atm, decon is potentially helping us. As for bum, placing a vote to see if hes alive and around isn't bad, it saves me from being modkilled. I will however change my vote to whoever is most likely to die. IE be the hammer vote. | ||
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On January 15 2011 10:35 CubEdIn wrote: We need 9 votes to lynch. We have what, 2 hours left? Do we get... 6-7 people to vote for BC? No. Then focus on the problem at hand. Lynch dec or not? we have 23 minutes left. | ||
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On January 15 2011 10:41 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 15 2011 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 15 2011 10:34 kitaman27 wrote: Why is everyone so satisfied with no lynch? Scum should be more afraid of dec since their kp can't hurt him. EVERYONE SHOULD BE VOTING FOR FISHBALL BC are you seriously going to bring up bum 30 minutes before the lynch? Why isn't your vote on traitor suspect. Cube, if you want to clear yourself as traitor then I want your vote on fishball. To those who are abstaining or voting for useless candidates, I will be hitting one of you with my kp if you decide to ignore the lynch. aka (cube, aidnai, Beneather , haplo, pig) There are 30 minutes remaining. Simple, Fish is smarter to keep around atm, decon is potentially helping us. As for bum, placing a vote to see if hes alive and around isn't bad, it saves me from being modkilled. I will however change my vote to whoever is most likely to die. IE be the hammer vote. There are two remaining traitor candidates, fish or cube. The fact that they won't vote against each other may mean they are both scum. I'm not sure how keeping fish around at the moment is the smarter choice. If we eliminate one, there is a 50% chance he is scum (probably more than that). If not then we have a 100% chance to kill cube at night. Seems to me you don't want to commit. Why hammer vote when you can vote now? Listen to fish, he is calling me a SK. Cmon now. Fish is an intelligent player, he knows to keep alive he (if red) has to play a very dangerous game which means he has to help the town to stay alive. Decon has KP. However, amber is not off the hook for potential candidate of a traitor, nor are you until you use your KP. People need to keep in mind amber hasn't proved his role, kenpachi hasnt (although his is likely), fish hasn't claimed, and cube hasn't proved his. | ||
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On January 15 2011 10:49 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 15 2011 10:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 15 2011 10:41 kitaman27 wrote: On January 15 2011 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 15 2011 10:34 kitaman27 wrote: Why is everyone so satisfied with no lynch? Scum should be more afraid of dec since their kp can't hurt him. EVERYONE SHOULD BE VOTING FOR FISHBALL BC are you seriously going to bring up bum 30 minutes before the lynch? Why isn't your vote on traitor suspect. Cube, if you want to clear yourself as traitor then I want your vote on fishball. To those who are abstaining or voting for useless candidates, I will be hitting one of you with my kp if you decide to ignore the lynch. aka (cube, aidnai, Beneather , haplo, pig) There are 30 minutes remaining. Simple, Fish is smarter to keep around atm, decon is potentially helping us. As for bum, placing a vote to see if hes alive and around isn't bad, it saves me from being modkilled. I will however change my vote to whoever is most likely to die. IE be the hammer vote. There are two remaining traitor candidates, fish or cube. The fact that they won't vote against each other may mean they are both scum. I'm not sure how keeping fish around at the moment is the smarter choice. If we eliminate one, there is a 50% chance he is scum (probably more than that). If not then we have a 100% chance to kill cube at night. Seems to me you don't want to commit. Why hammer vote when you can vote now? Listen to fish, he is calling me a SK. Cmon now. Fish is an intelligent player, he knows to keep alive he (if red) has to play a very dangerous game which means he has to help the town to stay alive. Decon has KP. However, amber is not off the hook for potential candidate of a traitor, nor are you until you use your KP. People need to keep in mind amber hasn't proved his role, kenpachi hasnt (although his is likely), fish hasn't claimed, and cube hasn't proved his. Amber role blocked kenpachi, which kenpachi then confirmed via the pm from ace. Kenpachi is the godfather, you said yourself it would be silly for a forth player to select it. I'm a vig. I'm not cleared but look at the situation. I'm pushing for a lynch while fish sits back and abstains. If he knows he isn't the traitor than surely he would be pushing the lynch on someone who does. Keep in mind there are more than one situations to amber / kenpachi both red / lying. amber traitor / kenpachi red amber legit / kenpachi legit amber legit / kenpachi red. Amber is not 100% confirmed as we don't know his alignment, nor do we know kenpachi's. Didn't cube also say he prot'd kenpachi? It is possible his prot roleblocked kenpachi and that is where the roleblock came from. They aren't confirmed. | ||
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On January 15 2011 10:53 kitaman27 wrote: JimboSilvers, Misder, bumatlarge, aidnai, Eiii, HaploPaithan, Pigsquirrel, Amber[LighT], BloodyC0bbler, Beneather You are all content with no lynch? Wasting a town kp. Setting us up poorly for night actions. Sigh. You do know its not always beneficial to lynch right? 1 dead townie at this point fucks us royally as we are massively behind -_-. If we can't agree on who is red/traitor, we would have to lynch decon/how many votes is he at? | ||
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On January 15 2011 10:56 CubEdIn wrote: I didn't protect anyone first night. my bad then, mistook your and ambers night actions. | ||
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On January 15 2011 10:57 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 15 2011 10:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 15 2011 10:49 kitaman27 wrote: On January 15 2011 10:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 15 2011 10:41 kitaman27 wrote: On January 15 2011 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 15 2011 10:34 kitaman27 wrote: Why is everyone so satisfied with no lynch? Scum should be more afraid of dec since their kp can't hurt him. EVERYONE SHOULD BE VOTING FOR FISHBALL BC are you seriously going to bring up bum 30 minutes before the lynch? Why isn't your vote on traitor suspect. Cube, if you want to clear yourself as traitor then I want your vote on fishball. To those who are abstaining or voting for useless candidates, I will be hitting one of you with my kp if you decide to ignore the lynch. aka (cube, aidnai, Beneather , haplo, pig) There are 30 minutes remaining. Simple, Fish is smarter to keep around atm, decon is potentially helping us. As for bum, placing a vote to see if hes alive and around isn't bad, it saves me from being modkilled. I will however change my vote to whoever is most likely to die. IE be the hammer vote. There are two remaining traitor candidates, fish or cube. The fact that they won't vote against each other may mean they are both scum. I'm not sure how keeping fish around at the moment is the smarter choice. If we eliminate one, there is a 50% chance he is scum (probably more than that). If not then we have a 100% chance to kill cube at night. Seems to me you don't want to commit. Why hammer vote when you can vote now? Listen to fish, he is calling me a SK. Cmon now. Fish is an intelligent player, he knows to keep alive he (if red) has to play a very dangerous game which means he has to help the town to stay alive. Decon has KP. However, amber is not off the hook for potential candidate of a traitor, nor are you until you use your KP. People need to keep in mind amber hasn't proved his role, kenpachi hasnt (although his is likely), fish hasn't claimed, and cube hasn't proved his. Amber role blocked kenpachi, which kenpachi then confirmed via the pm from ace. Kenpachi is the godfather, you said yourself it would be silly for a forth player to select it. I'm a vig. I'm not cleared but look at the situation. I'm pushing for a lynch while fish sits back and abstains. If he knows he isn't the traitor than surely he would be pushing the lynch on someone who does. Keep in mind there are more than one situations to amber / kenpachi both red / lying. amber traitor / kenpachi red amber legit / kenpachi legit amber legit / kenpachi red. Amber is not 100% confirmed as we don't know his alignment, nor do we know kenpachi's. Didn't cube also say he prot'd kenpachi? It is possible his prot roleblocked kenpachi and that is where the roleblock came from. They aren't confirmed. Agreed, but it didn't realize we should pass up a town lynch due to the fact that we can't confirm a player is 100% red. 5 red, 2 sk, 1 traitor, at start of day 2 with 10 townies we now have 5/1/1/10 That is still 10v7. One dead townie is rough on us. | ||
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##vote deconduo We don't ahve enough but if you guys want a dead person so bad, take a confirmed anti town. | ||
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On January 15 2011 11:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote: on a random note, did beneather or zeks get a prod earlier about being at risk for a modkill, cause if so, we lost 1-2 townies. or players i should say. | ||
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On January 15 2011 13:44 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 15 2011 11:33 deconduo wrote: On January 15 2011 11:27 CubEdIn wrote: Yeah that's what I'm saying. So unless mafia had both CPR to account for KP3 and JOAT to account for 1, then they couldn't have recruited traitor, right? I am dismissing possibility of 3 x SK as that would be highly imbalanced for town Then there is not much point going after traitor yet, so I am going to ignore the fishball/cubed thing and stick with bum. Other candidates I think could be mafia are misder and beneather. Might be people to think about kita. Whether or not the traitor is recruited, he still has a mafia win condition and will contribute to their lynch target (probably you). Would you consider hitting fishball? I would make the hit myself, except there is a chance I could be role blocked so you should be the one hitting the most concrete target. Amber who do you plan to role block tonight? BC do you still plan to make your analysis of bum before night actions are due? Bum did you fall down the rabbits hole again? Do you have any night hit suggestions? Plan to yes, but only because I don't actually think I will live throughout the night. I have a gap between my staff meeting and when i have to be at work tommorrow in which I plan on doing it. | ||
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As such if you publically claim who you are going to hit, and you get roleblocked, chances are pretty high amber is red. | ||
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On January 15 2011 14:38 Misder wrote: Ok, so I missed out on a lot since I last posted (like a completely vanished from the face of the earth -.-), and I’ll put what I think about the situation. Oh, also, prob won’t post until Sunday @Cube I think that Cube is most likely SK. Cube is stupid. Really stupid. And I get a really bad vibe from him. He contradicts himself many times. He continues to say that we need to prove deconduo100%. There’s no way that we could do that without killing him. 1st Post (Cube’s fake claim) He thinks that he’s the most important person in the game. He doesn’t want to risk dying in order to save someone. Now, the wording on this post is interesting. 1) “I have weird head issues”- I have no idea why he would want to post this at all. 2) “I may do either of the following” his wording is really weird- it seems like he claims that it will randomly choose every day. 3) “Not the most helpful in the game”- once we figure out what kind of doctor, it definitely could be helpful. Paranoid acts like a roleblocker, weak can guarantee a mafia kill. 2nd Post Another scummy post. 1) “I was hoping to give the Mafia a reason not to hit me”- continues to think that he’s the most important person in the game. 2) “risk of killing someone -> good for mafia”- bad logic? Mafia always has a risk of killing someone? 3) “They basically have no reason not to hit me”- Uh, yeah they do now. You just said you’re too afraid to use your power. Contradiction. 4) “I’ll help you”- contradiction again. His entire reasoning day 1 he claims is that he doesn’t want to die; now he wants to die? 3rd Post Seems like hes not paying attention to what is happening, like a townie would do :/ 4th Post 1) Picks out grammar- like its important when it really isn’t. 2) “they just don’t work as they should”- its not like we didn’t know that- we knew that they wouldn’t be normal as it was in the OP 5th Post I think I’m just confused… 6th Post 1) “fake claiming would be… leading the town to believe that my role is something different than it is”- you did- you claimed that role did something extra; that’s different that what it is 2) “Explain how this would make me a more efficient Mafia”- it would lead to another excuse not to use your power… 3) “I hoped that Mafia wouldn’t reread the rules”- uhh, why not? Your logic on this is that they wouldn’t because they didn’t pick doctor. I reread the rules all the time just to make sure of things- that doesn’t make me not mafia. Actually, I knew you were lying about the bad doctor part right away before I read BC’s post without even looking at the OP again. That’s just bad logic 7th Post 1) our entire discussion before from LSB was that we probably don’t have the JOAT role. And it goes on and on and on I still think we can use him as a medic- if we can figure out what kind he is. I suggest he protects deconduo- mafia has a reason to kill deconduo tonight, as he is siding with the town as of now- if hes paranoid, he would roleblock deconduo’s shot that he said he would fire- if naive weak, then deconduo will probably die (theres no way to guarantee this)- if hes weak- then Cube will die. @deconduo situation He agreed that he would use his day vig to survive today’s lynch. We can use that as many pointed out. Deconduo would need to help the town since if mafia makes it lylo, and town loses, deconduo loses too. So the best course of action for deconduo is to help the town until we get a few of the mafia lynched. That means we can use/trust him for a while. @BC BC being active day 2 is unusual. He did that in my other mafia game with him where he was mafia, where he didn’t post at all basically day 1, and then day 2, he emerged and completely piled on someone who was being scummy but not mafia, as seen with Cube. Just an FoS on BC. Don’t really want to go into analysis. @LSB I’m still following the analysis on this guy. Not positive on any of this on him, since at first I believed him to be mafia, but now, I’m questioning. @Fishball He’s posted less than from day 1- I can’t say much since I’m doing the same thing- but it is another reason why he might be mafia. Meh, I’m not pushing so hard on his lynch anymore- but I still think hes pretty mafiaish. Its posts like this that make happy. | ||
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Why did you find him less scummy? Is this because you knew he wasn't mafia? | ||
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On January 15 2011 17:28 JimboSilvers wrote: Show nested quote + On January 15 2011 16:27 HaploPaithan wrote: Sorry I missed the crucial voting time guys. I had some shit I had to do at that time. We need to decide on a person for Kita to kill tonight. List of likely targets. Cube - Lied to town in a effort to scare the mafia. Pretty weak claim with contradictory arguments about his reasoning. Deconduo - Claimed SK. Fishball - Likely Traitor. BC - Was a potential lynch target. He should still be looked into as a viable target. Misder - Hasn't been posting much. I almost completely forgot he was in the game. He seems to be trying to sit back and stay out of sight. I think he is a likely candidate for a scum. Bumatlarge - Some people seem to be suspicious of him. However Deconduo has already stated that he will be using is SK kill on him tonight. Other? - Tell me who you think should be on this list. We need to try and keep the list short so we can actually get a clear decision. We don't want to leave it ambiguous. There is still a potential that Kita is a scum. We need to make sure he is killing who we want him to and not leaving up to his choice. I will go ahead and choose Misder for my pick. All the other players are of potential use to us. Cube has claimed to be a Doctor. He has been suspicious, but if he is doctor, it can be still be useful to us. Deconduo has a KP that will be used to target scum since he can't let scum win before he does. Fishball is a potential traitor. However if he wants to continue living he will continue to provide analysis. Plus its unlikely he has been recruited yet, so he won't know which players are actually scum, so he can't really protect those players in his analysis. BC is in a similar situation. Has been under suspicion and will continue to provide useful analysis in order to stay alive. Now we get to Misder. He has been quiet. Too quiet. He isn't going to be posting useful analysis anytime soon. He said himself that he will not be posting much in the near future either. So of all my potential targets he will be of the least use for town and as such the best target for a lynch. Now then. Cube. You claim to be a doctor, but you won't use your ability. Stop being a pussy. Don't waste your ability because you're afraid. This is probably the reason I'm the most suspicious of you. A doctor who isn't protecting someone doesn't look good. You need to protect someone tonight. Who knows, it could be what prevents us from losing tonight or tomorrow. I propose that you protect either Kita - While he has the potential to be harmful to us, its probably best to keep him alive. If he turns out to be a scum, we probably can't win as it is. HaploPaithan - I was targeted last night and saved. I think it could be likely that I'm targeted again. Obviously I'm a bit biased here. Eiii - Is hopefully our Parity Cop. A pretty good reason to be protected. He hasn't confirmed this, but he probably shouldn't until he can at least tell us something. You should tell us who you will be protecting us tonight. This should pretty much guarantee that that player will not be killed. Scum will be reluctant to hit him, plus your protection should save him if they do decide to go after him. Then in the case that you are a weak cop and you die from it, we will know who you protected and that that person is scum. I think we should be able to tell if your death was from weak cop or someone's KP by the amount of deaths that will occur tonight. So yeah everyone please let us know who you want Kita's KP to be use on. Also please mention anything that I might have overlooked. Oh hey nice of you to come in and post! On your list : why would we kill the SK? First off we can't kill him at night since he's bulletproof, and second we need to kill mafia, not SK. We're in a terrible position given its 16 players and 5, potentially 6 mafia, and a bunch of KP. Anything else to say about Fishball other than "likely traitor"? Why Misder over other lurkers like zeks? You mention bumatlarge and say other people seem to want to lynch him. What do YOU think? I'm not feeling conviction here. Along with the other questionable picks on your list, I'm just feeling like you're trying to pick easy candidates here. Also: Show nested quote + HaploPaithan - I was targeted last night and saved. I think it could be likely that I'm targeted again. Obviously I'm a bit biased here. Why do you think you'll be targetted again? And why do you think you're so important that we need to save your life? Your most recent post is just atrocious. kitaman, please ignore my last request and shoot this loser instead. Keep in mind if he shoots halpo and he flips red the chances are that aidnai is red as well! seriously though, I am about to jet to a staff meeting and be back in an hour or two, but I think anyone with half a brain can see some of the either worst town/mafia play ever. People who are completely inactive come in and post the most half assed "recap" of a days events? I am amused I am on every one of those lists pretty well. But I have to ask. Why am I still a core lynch target? I wasn't on anyone's list for a target until after my analysis on lsb and my FoS on cube and ken. The analysis I made and pushed turned out legit, cube admitted he shouldn't have fake claimed and ken has been tore apart for his role pick by many players. So where is the sketchyness now? When I come back I shall start digging up posts on bum and possibly amber/misder as I have a high chance of dying tonight. | ||
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On January 16 2011 00:21 bumatlarge wrote: Great, an SK is going to kill me now lol? Well, he does get props for dayvig'n a fellow SK, and no he really has to gun for scum now. Well I can tell you deconduo, if this is your new goal in helping town, killing me won't be helping you. And BC has upgraded to 25% town 75% mafia in my book. Shame he decided to not help at all during the first day And should I reveal what info I have now? You haven't helped at all, so your 95% red, 5% town, yay for made up stats? | ||
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On January 16 2011 02:35 bumatlarge wrote: Show nested quote + On January 16 2011 01:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 16 2011 00:21 bumatlarge wrote: Great, an SK is going to kill me now lol? Well, he does get props for dayvig'n a fellow SK, and no he really has to gun for scum now. Well I can tell you deconduo, if this is your new goal in helping town, killing me won't be helping you. And BC has upgraded to 25% town 75% mafia in my book. Shame he decided to not help at all during the first day And should I reveal what info I have now? You haven't helped at all, so your 95% red, 5% town, yay for made up stats? Well if that's how you legitimately feel, I'm not going to argue with that. Doesn't help you though in the eyes of everyone else. Mafia want to kill SK a lot more desperately then town atm. Guess the next the thing on the agenda is lynching deconduo and then scouting around for anymore SKs? And name one thing in this game I haven't given a correct output on. I'm not going to argue with you further until later, because I don't have the means to get rid you. You should probably try to kill me tonight while we townies still have this deficient intelligence. Maybe your mafia squad can still save face and help lynch you. Your inactive dude. I know I'm not red, and have no idea of your role. HOWEVER You are a veteran player. You know behavioural analysis is what wins games, instead your just sitting back and not actively participating. You have seen the current games, or at least should have heard of them. Towns are getting slaughtered for having no idea how to analyze. You as an experienced player should be showing them how to go about this, instead your sitting back. I honestly don't care you think I'm red, my issue is that only one player has seriously laid any analysis on me, which he stopped doing once I responded to said analysis, he even said he would hold back judgement until more experienced players commented on one of my comments and no one responded. Stop lurking, start playing. You should know better. | ||
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On January 16 2011 03:11 JimboSilvers wrote: Show nested quote + On January 15 2011 18:49 Fishball wrote: On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: Damn this is getting interesting. So I guess since deconduo is confirmed CC now, its unlikely we have a CPR doc unless someone was ballsy enough to pick it when it was pretty clear deconduo was going to pick it. So we might have 3 SKs unless the 4th hit last night was from a JOAT. Deconduo should hit beneather. I'm pretty sure he's scum. Why? He's damn useless and posts only questions, one liners, doubt posts, and posts that just seems like he's trying to act. He doesn't offer any strong opinions, and offers questions on pointless information. And after he poses the questions, he never follows up and offers insight. His voting record is also laughable, he votes for LayOffRage day 1, and abstains day 2. He also has no acceptable reasoning for either of his votes. kitaman should hit Fishball. Why? First off, this confirms kitas role and targets a troublemaker. If fishball flips traitor, then kita is confirmed innocent otherwise the hit wouldn't go through and fishball would be recruited instead. This is unlikely though, as I think Fishball is just plain scum. Hes been useless, calls out a bunch of people calling them scum with little reason. Although his play can be interpreted as "he's just having fun", he is active yet doesn't contribute. He stirs the pot when there is already chaos in the air, and doesn't do anything to actually help the town. Burn his ass. For the third hit (CPR Doc/3rd SK), I propose zeks. This just reminds me of someone who is hiding. Said some stuff earlier about LSB's plan, announced his number, and announced that "I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch." Well its time for him to crawl out of your cave there, because for being an investigative role hes pretty clueless. Hes obviously not the witch. Either way, if hes any of the other roles he should state which one he is right now. Otherwise we should just shoot him. The rest of his posts have a common theme with the other above targets. Useless and insightless. He votes with flimsy reasoning on day 1, and didn't vote day 2. So you think that if kitaman hits me, and I flip traitor, that mean's he is confirmed innocent? You just said there is a possibility of 3 SK's. If kitaman is a SK, then nothing is confirmed. Being/claiming vigilante is like one of the best covers a SK can get. A SK doesn't align with Town or Mafia, and is only there for himself. He can easily stick around and "follow" Town's instruction to the end. A SK won't die to Night hits, and since the Day Vig already used his hit, a SK's only threat is the Day lynch. As long as the SK is under cover as a vigilante, and utilizes his ability "in favor" of Town, he won't have to worry about getting lynched, and can wait till the time is right to make a move. Also, I don't know exactly what you mean by "doesn't contribute". If pointing out sense (like what I did just now), and being involved with catching a SK isn't contributing, then we obviously have different understands of this term. Also keep in mind, I have been in the middle of the picture for quite a few times. It's not exactly easy that I can somehow make everyone worship me and we can happily go scum hunting. If you think that yourself, popping out once or twice a day, generalizing your "facts" and accusing people is contributing, then I rest my case. Oh, and me being a "troublemaker"? Hahaha. This is exactly what I mean. SK's are not mafia. So you really don't get any brownie points for finding them. You just pop out and accuse me, maybe for accusing you. But since I've now switched to Haplo, you should be all cool with that, right? Unless you're trying to defend some mafia buddies. But we can wait on that judgment. Show nested quote + On January 15 2011 19:21 Fishball wrote: Funny how Ace just warned Jimbosilvers is in danger of being modkilled. So this inactive guy pops out and calls 3 people useless. Huge irony there. On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: beneather. He's damn useless Fishball. Hes been useless zeks - Useless and insightless. Most of us are well aware of those that are inactive, and what they have done. I've even brought up Beneather based on his other mistakes before. It's quite obvious I could be used as the perfect scapegoat, but choosing a couple more inactives for his analysis and accuse them, hardly makes him any more useful, especially when he is inactive himself. It would not surprise me if JimboSilvers had a different agenda behind his back. There's a difference between being not being omnipresent in the thread and being useless. I may not respond to every post or give my thoughts on all the nonsense you people create, but I don't need to, and I don't have the time to. Notice how every time I do post, I post content. Notice how everytime I post something there's strong resistance to everything I say. I'd say its just the mafia afraid of me. Ever notice how we aren't really getting anywhere? Especially you. Popping out and accusing me without really accusing me, and selectively reading my posts. Coolio. KP roles please read my above posts and think about it hard. I don't have to get into a shit flinging fest in order to get my point across. You are my favorite new player! I honestly hope you keep this level of performance up in other games. | ||
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On January 16 2011 05:51 kitaman27 wrote: Some points I would like to be addressed if you don't mind, BC. (I still would also like to hear from Amber about his roleblocking target and his reasons for moving off fishball in the previous lynch and from dec about his kp target so we don't overlap) Show nested quote + On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ##vote layoffrage Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target. Show nested quote + On January 15 2011 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 15 2011 10:34 kitaman27 wrote: Why is everyone so satisfied with no lynch? Scum should be more afraid of dec since their kp can't hurt him. EVERYONE SHOULD BE VOTING FOR FISHBALL BC are you seriously going to bring up bum 30 minutes before the lynch? Why isn't your vote on traitor suspect. Cube, if you want to clear yourself as traitor then I want your vote on fishball. To those who are abstaining or voting for useless candidates, I will be hitting one of you with my kp if you decide to ignore the lynch. aka (cube, aidnai, Beneather , haplo, pig) There are 30 minutes remaining. Simple, Fish is smarter to keep around atm, decon is potentially helping us. Show nested quote + On January 15 2011 10:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fish is an intelligent player, he knows to keep alive he (if red) has to play a very dangerous game which means he has to help the town to stay alive. First, lets contrast this questionable reasoning: Rol: Possibly a traitor. Experienced player, so probably scum. Fish: Possibly a traitor. Experienced player, so great to keep around. Ulterior motive? Show nested quote + On January 14 2011 14:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Point 4 Two simple reasons for choice of GF. 1) deny a scummy looking player his role 2) take a role that would give me a KP to use as I don't see very many people focusing on behavioural analysis anymore. IN ANY GAME. As its a role that was less likely to be noticed for its KP purposes I went for it. It fits my style completely. This fits your style completely? You do realize that you have to be lynched in order to use this kp, right? If you are town, why would you foresee yourself getting lynched in the first place? Aren't you the type of player that gets sniped at night, not lynched during the day. What did you intend to do if you got checked by bulletbill? "Opps, its okay guys. I'm godfather. No worries!" Show nested quote + On January 14 2011 01:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The reason of choosing a role purely to deny it from the mafia seems far too unlikely. Either he has an ulterior motive on top of that, or huge FoS on him. You actually say it best yourself. The godfather role has far more scum applications than town. I'm not sure I buy that you selected it to deny the role and use a lynch kp, over the possible remaining pro-town roles. Show nested quote + On January 14 2011 01:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Now we move onto LSB. I can't fault him too terribly for not speaking up about gf as well, I didn't get it either and was waiting to see if he spoke up saying he got it before bringing it up, however. Yet you did. Many times. It's great you helped find a SK, but as a scum desperate to quickly find a day vig target, LSB would have been the best choice. Show nested quote + On January 14 2011 14:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: the way I hit people as mafia is unique compared to most players. Guess what, none of the people who died fit my criteria for night 1 hits. Huh? What is this even supposed to mean? Since the death list doesn't match your "system" you are supposed to be given a free pass? Show nested quote + On January 14 2011 14:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No excuse at all. If you have convictions that someone is town, you don't vote for them, period. Show nested quote + On January 15 2011 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I will however change my vote to whoever is most likely to die. IE be the hammer vote. You contradict yourself here. You don't vote for fish because you don't have a strong enough belief he is scum and don't want to accidentally vote off an innocent town. Yet now you agree if majority is about to be reached, you will join the bandwagon, regardless of your personal beliefs. Sounds as if you are just providing an excuse for yourself why you won't commit. Show nested quote + On January 16 2011 03:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 16 2011 03:11 JimboSilvers wrote: On January 15 2011 18:49 Fishball wrote: On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: Damn this is getting interesting. So I guess since deconduo is confirmed CC now, its unlikely we have a CPR doc unless someone was ballsy enough to pick it when it was pretty clear deconduo was going to pick it. So we might have 3 SKs unless the 4th hit last night was from a JOAT. Deconduo should hit beneather. I'm pretty sure he's scum. Why? He's damn useless and posts only questions, one liners, doubt posts, and posts that just seems like he's trying to act. He doesn't offer any strong opinions, and offers questions on pointless information. And after he poses the questions, he never follows up and offers insight. His voting record is also laughable, he votes for LayOffRage day 1, and abstains day 2. He also has no acceptable reasoning for either of his votes. kitaman should hit Fishball. Why? First off, this confirms kitas role and targets a troublemaker. If fishball flips traitor, then kita is confirmed innocent otherwise the hit wouldn't go through and fishball would be recruited instead. This is unlikely though, as I think Fishball is just plain scum. Hes been useless, calls out a bunch of people calling them scum with little reason. Although his play can be interpreted as "he's just having fun", he is active yet doesn't contribute. He stirs the pot when there is already chaos in the air, and doesn't do anything to actually help the town. Burn his ass. For the third hit (CPR Doc/3rd SK), I propose zeks. This just reminds me of someone who is hiding. Said some stuff earlier about LSB's plan, announced his number, and announced that "I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch." Well its time for him to crawl out of your cave there, because for being an investigative role hes pretty clueless. Hes obviously not the witch. Either way, if hes any of the other roles he should state which one he is right now. Otherwise we should just shoot him. The rest of his posts have a common theme with the other above targets. Useless and insightless. He votes with flimsy reasoning on day 1, and didn't vote day 2. So you think that if kitaman hits me, and I flip traitor, that mean's he is confirmed innocent? You just said there is a possibility of 3 SK's. If kitaman is a SK, then nothing is confirmed. Being/claiming vigilante is like one of the best covers a SK can get. A SK doesn't align with Town or Mafia, and is only there for himself. He can easily stick around and "follow" Town's instruction to the end. A SK won't die to Night hits, and since the Day Vig already used his hit, a SK's only threat is the Day lynch. As long as the SK is under cover as a vigilante, and utilizes his ability "in favor" of Town, he won't have to worry about getting lynched, and can wait till the time is right to make a move. Also, I don't know exactly what you mean by "doesn't contribute". If pointing out sense (like what I did just now), and being involved with catching a SK isn't contributing, then we obviously have different understands of this term. Also keep in mind, I have been in the middle of the picture for quite a few times. It's not exactly easy that I can somehow make everyone worship me and we can happily go scum hunting. If you think that yourself, popping out once or twice a day, generalizing your "facts" and accusing people is contributing, then I rest my case. Oh, and me being a "troublemaker"? Hahaha. This is exactly what I mean. SK's are not mafia. So you really don't get any brownie points for finding them. You just pop out and accuse me, maybe for accusing you. But since I've now switched to Haplo, you should be all cool with that, right? Unless you're trying to defend some mafia buddies. But we can wait on that judgment. On January 15 2011 19:21 Fishball wrote: Funny how Ace just warned Jimbosilvers is in danger of being modkilled. So this inactive guy pops out and calls 3 people useless. Huge irony there. On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: beneather. He's damn useless Fishball. Hes been useless zeks - Useless and insightless. Most of us are well aware of those that are inactive, and what they have done. I've even brought up Beneather based on his other mistakes before. It's quite obvious I could be used as the perfect scapegoat, but choosing a couple more inactives for his analysis and accuse them, hardly makes him any more useful, especially when he is inactive himself. It would not surprise me if JimboSilvers had a different agenda behind his back. There's a difference between being not being omnipresent in the thread and being useless. I may not respond to every post or give my thoughts on all the nonsense you people create, but I don't need to, and I don't have the time to. Notice how every time I do post, I post content. Notice how everytime I post something there's strong resistance to everything I say. I'd say its just the mafia afraid of me. Ever notice how we aren't really getting anywhere? Especially you. Popping out and accusing me without really accusing me, and selectively reading my posts. Coolio. KP roles please read my above posts and think about it hard. I don't have to get into a shit flinging fest in order to get my point across. You are my favorite new player! I honestly hope you keep this level of performance up in other games. Heh flatery. I'm sure we've all seen this used before. Yay an attempt at analysis, there is hope for you yet. Reason to keep fish around is simple. As of now, myself, fishball, and jimbo are the three people posting the most coherent posts. If nothing else the three of us see logic and when we post typically have something useful. As such, regardless of Fish's role, having someone who has to play at a certain level (and if hes traitor he has to find reds as well), he will have to help analyze briefly. As for gf role, go look at my record. I as a player have been lynched late game fairly often, and of these times I have only been red once. Factor in towns having a trend of offing the people who analyze/talk in recent games your damn right I expected to be lynched. Not only do I like to talk I am expected to purely based on my name. As for intended on doing if I was checked by bulletbill, simply claim. No reason not to. Now, move into the whole me finding an SK. You all seem to think that if I was mafia I would auto find an SK purely to off a KP role. Sadly you're wrong. As mafia I would bus 1-2 of my own team, build credibility to town and then wreak havoc. Instead I opt to find anyone who is antitown. LSB flipping SK is the most beneficial flip I could have as it shows I am not doing my normal mafia tactics of playing ridiculous plans upon plans. Then look at the night hits. Again, the people who I would target two days running are not dead. Anyone who has played on a red team with me would realize I purposely aim for town leadership or people who analyze intelligently. IE if I was red I'd have shot jimbo and fishball by now if I knew they were town. I would have kept LSB alive as based on his play (if i was red) i would have him pinned as SK and let him lead the town around stupidly till the town offed itself. Next talk about an excuse not to commit? we had two targets, both I thought shouldn't die and no way a vote swing would happen to someone I preferred. Instead I said I would go with the town flow if we were going to lynch one of them and be the hammer. That means had they flipped town my ass is in the hot seat. Then you mention flattery? Guess what dude, alot of the newer players don't learn, at all. Seeing someone new who can analyze, read a thread, make informed posts, and hell argue with players like myself who have been around for awhile is a huge kudos to him. He's shown alot of talent and potential to grow as a player, course I am going to flatter him. Now, if you want to do real analysis, go compare my previous games where I am town, just notice the style of game I play there, compared to the style of game I play as mafia. You will notice very quickly that I am playing very pro town. | ||
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KP shot count Decon on fish Kita on me Someone on kita someone on zeks someone on jimbo Thats alot of KP, its actually 1 more than day 1. Considering we had two sk's + mafia + cpr (would have to be cpr as joat would have been unable to shoot last night) it seems horribly unlikely we have 5 kp. I say this as it is incredibly unlikely joat and cpr are both out there as both were supposed to be early grabs and with how powerful they are, even more unlikely people would think they were open. | ||
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On January 17 2011 06:47 Kenpachi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 17 2011 06:44 Fishball wrote: On January 17 2011 06:41 Kenpachi wrote: your missing that Kita was hit by someone. Read my post above yours Ok, Kita was hit. So he is confirmed. ??? Mafia hit was on Kita or Jimbo. JOAT/CPR/Unkown SK was on Zeks. You were hit by Deconduo. Kita hit BC. Now, This doesnt make much sense and the only possibilities are a 2nd SK on Zeks and Mafia with a JOAT/CPR or SK with 2 KP. It makes alot of sense if the remaining SK isn't decon. | ||
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On January 17 2011 07:06 Kenpachi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 17 2011 06:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 17 2011 06:47 Kenpachi wrote: On January 17 2011 06:44 Fishball wrote: On January 17 2011 06:41 Kenpachi wrote: your missing that Kita was hit by someone. Read my post above yours Ok, Kita was hit. So he is confirmed. ??? Mafia hit was on Kita or Jimbo. JOAT/CPR/Unkown SK was on Zeks. You were hit by Deconduo. Kita hit BC. Now, This doesnt make much sense and the only possibilities are a 2nd SK on Zeks and Mafia with a JOAT/CPR or SK with 2 KP. It makes alot of sense if the remaining SK isn't decon. SK's hit goes through Bulletproof. We know that a SK hit Zeks or Kita because Jimbo is most likely BP I mean the fact there were 5 "hits" make sense if decon isn't the sk. | ||
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On January 17 2011 07:27 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 17 2011 07:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 17 2011 07:06 Kenpachi wrote: On January 17 2011 06:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 17 2011 06:47 Kenpachi wrote: On January 17 2011 06:44 Fishball wrote: On January 17 2011 06:41 Kenpachi wrote: your missing that Kita was hit by someone. Read my post above yours Ok, Kita was hit. So he is confirmed. ??? Mafia hit was on Kita or Jimbo. JOAT/CPR/Unkown SK was on Zeks. You were hit by Deconduo. Kita hit BC. Now, This doesnt make much sense and the only possibilities are a 2nd SK on Zeks and Mafia with a JOAT/CPR or SK with 2 KP. It makes alot of sense if the remaining SK isn't decon. SK's hit goes through Bulletproof. We know that a SK hit Zeks or Kita because Jimbo is most likely BP I mean the fact there were 5 "hits" make sense if decon isn't the sk. This is kinda unrelated, but it was something I never got a chance to address BC. You repeatedly state that if Fishball is the traitor he has to provide reds for us to stay alive. 1) Why would the traitor in his situation ever consider hunting for a red? 2) What reds has he found? I will speak from experience. When I was Traitor back when the role was first introduced to TL, I knew If i got intouch with the mafia I could help them, except I also had to be active enough and not appear as scum. To this regards I analyzed. Pointing out people you think are "red" but not pushing them to a lynch is a good sign for reds to spot you and make contact. Fishball has "analyzed" multiple people this game but never pushed for a lynch. If you believe he is traitor these would be the signs you are looking for, subtle clues in thread to reveal who he is. With a list of 5-6 players it woudl take mafia forever to find him on their own without luck. Him giving signs (finding a few of them, or giving off tell tale signs) would be what they need. The fatal mistake in your thinking is that just because hes traitor (in a no pm game no less) that he will just sit back and wait for them to find him, he has to meet them halfway, or find them. IF fishball is the traitor, I can almost guarentee you that decon is mafia by association. I say this because if an SK is going to shoot who everyone thinks the traitor is, mafia wouldn't waste their med on the cause as any mafia action would auto recruit him, (would take two meds or fishball having bulletproof/vet to live). As such, if fish is traitor, it would make more sense for decon to be red, claim he is going to hit him, mafia any powerrole that isnt kp targets fish and recruits him. They now lie about the hit. This leaves mafia two kp to use (keep in mind if decon is red, cpr is going to be 100% in mafia hands). Mafia takes a shot at kita hoping to take out a town kp role, and shoots jimbo for being smart, the second sk shoots zeks as it benefits him completely (zeks claimed mason). That situation seems the most plausible to me. IT also means that if the situation I just outlined is correct that kita/amber/kenpachi/cube are all instantly confirmed as town. | ||
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On January 17 2011 07:32 Misder wrote: Show nested quote + On January 17 2011 04:05 CubEdIn wrote: On January 17 2011 02:36 Misder wrote: I never said you were retarded I don't use that kind of language anyways. No, you said I'm stupid, very stupid. Mostly because I didn't read the OP well enough. And after saying that, you went on about LSB, who had already died, and did an "analysis" on him. Which means that you've been paying less attention to the game than I was. And that's just plain ignorant. But you know, bygones. Huh. TBH, I really did totally miss LSB dying actually. alright, I admit. I'm also very stupid. I'll blame myself for that. Although, I'll say that I payed equally as much attention to the game as you. If you missed someone dying, seeing what they flipped, and made a post analyzing them saying you weren't convinced they were mafia you are paying less attention. By saying you were questioning that he was mafia is indicative of two things, you are red, or stupid. Only a red would know for sure he wasn't red, and he was acting insanely sketchy which had put him on a ton of radars to begin with. | ||
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On January 17 2011 09:12 bumatlarge wrote: Since mafia believes I am role cop, I guess it's no use keeping it secret. I am a Role Cop Night 1. I checked kenpachi and it came back GodFather. I was going to come out and say it but then LSB and BC came out and said they went for GF, and that kenachi wasn't getting FoS for his move. Night 2 I picked Eii and got back vanilla. He should confirm this, but I have no idea what he went for or not. Night 3 I will check fishball if he survives. I want to check someone who can actually confirm I have rolecop, so tonight I will check one of the following unclaimed. On January 17 2011 09:20 bumatlarge wrote: Did he claim? I must have missed it. Well I know he is lying so until he responds to his situation. ##Vote Eiii He never claimed he got parity cop but he did say he would try to get it. You voting for him after you know he flipped vanilla townie is retarded. If he flipped vanilla town, and we know traitor was chosen befor ehim in the list he can only be 100% town by your own role. This is the most what the fuck reasoning to vote ever. You could have read the thread to know he hadn't claimed. Also, it is far too convienient that you checked a claimed player already, checked an inactive and got back innocent, while not actively participating in analysis. You have rehashed information multiple times, or chimed in on possible targets but have failed to actually bring forward targets of your own. I will be analyzing you as you are insanely obviously red at this point. Your role claim / target choices just proves it. Now, lets get to the matter at hand. Town majority at least till this point was Fishball is traitor. for what I can see, town majority still thinks he is He claimed mafia medic protected him, IE we know he was recruited last night This also means for him to survive "decon's" hit, decon must be red as well (mafia med won't prot him, just recruit him) Factor in Fishballs play today, He is actively trying to kill an almost essentially confirmed player (yes fishball, he actually is almost confirmed) over not factoring in a random situation that was insanely unlikely. You have seperately called him traitor and sk in previous posts which would lead to the confusion of his saying "sk can't be traitor". EVERYONE STOP AND VOTE FISHBALL. At the moment he is being counter productive, and if I am correct and he flips recruited mafia, we have just nabbed decon as well. Bum is obviously red, and my next closest suspect is Pigsquirrel who I will also be analyzing. Lets just win this game already and stop with the nonessential infighting. We have a list of townies that are basically good to go, time to remove the ones who aren't contributing and obviously anti town. | ||
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On January 17 2011 13:58 bumatlarge wrote: Show nested quote + On January 17 2011 13:26 kitaman27 wrote: On January 17 2011 12:59 bumatlarge wrote: Jesus, it's like everyone glances through thread "ANYTHING PERTAIN TO ME? REFUTE! OK GOODNIGHT." I'd like to think fishball is town so that his zeks' list actually means something. But that would leave a traitor in these 4; Kenpachi, kitaman, Amber and cube. I will try to break these down right now so there is no confusion. Kenpachi: Claimed GF Proof - BC and LSB tried to grab GF also, LSB is dead SK vanilla. Bum Role checked. - Chance of LSB lying is improbable, so GF is in the game. Both BC and bum would have to be lying. Ken has to be GF or these three are mafia Not Traitor kitaman27: Claimed Vig Proof - None? Claimed RB from cube. This clears kita's story unless both cube and him are scum, but he is not proven Vig. You still get informed you get RB if you are vanilla AFAIK. Possible Traitor Amber[Light] Claimed RoleBlocker Proof - Kenpachi confirmed he was roleblocked night 1? Unless Cube and amber are in cahoots, it's not something Amber would risk, and also amber was zeks mason. Don't think mason would ally with traitor. Pig also was RB'd night 2, hasn't said anything. Not traitor Likely town CubEdIn Claimed Doctor Proof - Says it roleblocks at the same time. Now I can't make SHIT out of what cube says. He protected kita night 2and it said he was saved and roleblocked which means both are legit, or both are scum. Night 1, I think I've read the 20 pages after night 1 a bunch and I'm missing it. Can you clear this up cube? Might just be me missing it. Not Traitor Bum? I thought we had something special. I could have been your gender-confused batgirl! This post seems very focused towards making me look bad. I admit I haven't been able to prove I'm vig, but think of it this way. The traitor does not want to eliminate other traitor suspects because that narrows down who could be the bad guy. I have been pushing fishball for two days now to get him lynched because I know I am not the traitor. Fishball has been ignoring the traitor hunt for the most part. I also took a hit last night. While that doesn't clear me, the scum clearly want me dead. Zeks said: Although kita is pretty much our best way to win...even if he was SK. Even the scum mason admits I'm the town's best way to win. He also brings up this SK accusation. Seems like a common scum theme. Could you explain your reasoning for thinking fishball is town? You pass him up for discussion without giving a solid reason why. I just want to make sure all the facts are out there. In PYP I'd argue Info is just as important as analysis, but that's because I suck. I want fishball to be town so his zeks' list will real and I want BC to be wrong. I would take it personally if BC is really scum here. Well I guess the fastest way to see if it is true is to kill fishball. His death would just confirm so much. I don't like letting BC be right :X SELFISH DESIRES MUST BE LEASHED (for now) ##Unvote Eiii ##Vote Fishball Why is it like 95% of the player base hates me being right -_- | ||
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On January 09 2011 14:12 bumatlarge wrote: Just making LSB's list, while a good guideline, there are a lot of things I completely disagree with. In my opinion, they suck. 1. deconduo [4][7] - CPR 2. Kenpachi [7][3] - JOAT 3. kitaman27 [8-20][?] - V 4. CubEdIn [8-20][?] - BB 5. Amber[Light] [8-20][?] - CC 6. Barundar [8-20][?] - D1 7. LayOffRage [8-20][?] - RB 8. bumatlarge [1][1] - D2 9. Jackal58 [1?][?] - DV 10. Fishball [1?][?] - RC 11. HaploPaithan[1/2][?] - Par 12. Eiii [2][3] - AC 13. BloodyC0bbler [2][x] - Pol 14. zeks [3][1] - T 15. Misder [3][2] - M 16. aidnai [3][3] - W 17. JimboSilvers [3][3] - H 18. GGQ [5][3] - BP 19. Beneather [5][x] - J 20. Pigsquirrel [5][x] - PoD 21. Divinek [5][1] - V 22. LSB [5][1] - GF Key - + Show Spoiler + 1. CPR Doc = CPR 2. JOAT 3. Vig = V 4. Bullet Bill = BB 5. Copy Cat = CC 6. Doctor = D1 7. Role Blocker = RB 8. Doctor = D2 9. Day Vig = DV 10. Role Cop = RC 11. Pardoner = Par 12. Alignment Cop = AC 13. Politican = Pol 14. Tracker = T 15. Mason = M 16. Witch = W 17. Hider = H 18. Janitor = J 19. Bulletproof = BP 20. Prince of Darkness = PoD 21. Veteran = V 22. God Father = GF Now for my points. Those roles on the bottom. What is the point? To know what they have? Because you certainly aren't denying them. I think they are better off checking green roles as mafia could easily skit out on not picking those and deny other things. While it is nice to know if a GF or PoD are among us, it's an easy lie to make. Doubt it would be that big of a deal though. They could be so much more useful checking things like completely pro-town roles or some other agenda. I mean mafia cant really do much down there anyway without help from mafia on top. One chink in the chain and mafia could exchange a lot of roles. So I think the further along the bottom you are, the more freedom you should take in checking and picking what you think would benefit town the most. And of course the SK is going to be running around, and hes gonna do whatever he wants is best for him. (hell there could be more then 1.. scary) Show nested quote + On January 09 2011 13:31 LSB wrote: This changes everything If the mafia went by the pick plan I outlined, they would have 5 of the top 8 spots. The town Must follow my plan. Following Jimbo's plan is suicide since A good portion of the top spots is probably mafia. My plan solves for this as many of the top picks are 'watch' picks, that cannot abuse their role. In addition, the information roles are forced to share their results, forcing mafia to stick their heads out to scrutiny. FOS on anyone not following the plan A bit of big statement there... so I'm gonna go ahead and say nonsense. I seriously doubt it, but it is possible. There are a lot of chances mafia clashed hard with town. I bet there is a few up there, but DEFINITELY not all five. But if you really feel passionate about this quest of yours LSB, then lol go for it. I'm watching you like a hawk, and this is incredibly odd play. Either you are a very imaginative and irrational townie or you are a chaotic mafia that would rival that of chezinu or BM. If more people agree with you, then it will be strong because town would be very cohesive, if you manage to scumhunt the hell out of mafia and SK. I hope your scumdar is turned on high. Good luck, but I am not following your script here On January 17 2011 09:12 bumatlarge wrote: Since mafia believes I am role cop, I guess it's no use keeping it secret. I am a Role Cop Night 1. I checked kenpachi and it came back GodFather. I was going to come out and say it but then LSB and BC came out and said they went for GF, and that kenachi wasn't getting FoS for his move. Night 2 I picked Eii and got back vanilla. He should confirm this, but I have no idea what he went for or not. Night 3 I will check fishball if he survives. I want to check someone who can actually confirm I have rolecop, so tonight I will check one of the following unclaimed. Anyone else see what i see? | ||
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This isn't a game about finding the SK (yet) its about finding mafia. SK's best interest is shooting mafia, not town at this point. Factor in Kita is almost confirmed via roleblock, being shot/medic prot (kita would not want medic prot if he was sk). Do not get distracted by the lets find the sk game people. | ||
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On January 17 2011 14:24 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2011 13:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On January 17 2011 09:12 bumatlarge wrote: Since mafia believes I am role cop, I guess it's no use keeping it secret. I am a Role Cop Night 1. I checked kenpachi and it came back GodFather. I was going to come out and say it but then LSB and BC came out and said they went for GF, and that kenachi wasn't getting FoS for his move. Night 2 I picked Eii and got back vanilla. He should confirm this, but I have no idea what he went for or not. Night 3 I will check fishball if he survives. I want to check someone who can actually confirm I have rolecop, so tonight I will check one of the following unclaimed. Show nested quote + On January 17 2011 09:20 bumatlarge wrote: On January 17 2011 09:13 Kenpachi wrote: Interesting.. Eii lied? Did he claim? I must have missed it. Well I know he is lying so until he responds to his situation. ##Vote Eiii He never claimed he got parity cop but he did say he would try to get it. You voting for him after you know he flipped vanilla townie is retarded. If he flipped vanilla town, and we know traitor was chosen befor ehim in the list he can only be 100% town by your own role. This is the most what the fuck reasoning to vote ever. You could have read the thread to know he hadn't claimed. Also, it is far too convienient that you checked a claimed player already, checked an inactive and got back innocent, while not actively participating in analysis. You have rehashed information multiple times, or chimed in on possible targets but have failed to actually bring forward targets of your own. I will be analyzing you as you are insanely obviously red at this point. Your role claim / target choices just proves it. Now, lets get to the matter at hand. Town majority at least till this point was Fishball is traitor. for what I can see, town majority still thinks he is He claimed mafia medic protected him, IE we know he was recruited last night This also means for him to survive "decon's" hit, decon must be red as well (mafia med won't prot him, just recruit him) Factor in Fishballs play today, He is actively trying to kill an almost essentially confirmed player (yes fishball, he actually is almost confirmed) over not factoring in a random situation that was insanely unlikely. You have seperately called him traitor and sk in previous posts which would lead to the confusion of his saying "sk can't be traitor". EVERYONE STOP AND VOTE FISHBALL. At the moment he is being counter productive, and if I am correct and he flips recruited mafia, we have just nabbed decon as well. Bum is obviously red, and my next closest suspect is Pigsquirrel who I will also be analyzing. Lets just win this game already and stop with the nonessential infighting. We have a list of townies that are basically good to go, time to remove the ones who aren't contributing and obviously anti town. I know what I have to do to win. I don't need to confirm myself, I've been here this whole game telling town what I thought and giving them hell for what I thought was stupid, and you've been trying to do that also, except a day later. You let day 2 slip by without lynching anyone. So you are most likely busing fishball when half the active people are already voting for him and now deconduo is red? Of course we are going to lynch him next after killing 3 more townies during the night whether he is SK or scum. And it wouldn't surprise me if he did pop red now that you "deduced" it. The only thing stopping you is town isn't going to blindly believe everything you say. Jimbo was hit right after you said "I like this guy!" You knew he was smart, but that kill didn't go your way. Can't wait for him to get back and refute this scenario you've created. Now you are trying to bully the remainder of the people like Amber who is 95% town into following you by insulting them. I'll never get that why you and fishball think insulting someone's intelligence is the best way to persuade them. And of course the other 4 in the top besides fish and deconduo are town because their stories rely on one another, and damn you don't have a scum among them. Well let's kill them with kindness and "insta towny" all of them. WE'LL HAVE A HOLIDAY EVERYONE BC IS GIVING OUT INSTA TOWNIE REP! I've got mine, and I think you are banking way too hard that town will lynch me during lylo. You'd be running short on the list of people you can bus then? Bus? Dude, go compare your play to zeks, sup same shit. You are feigning activity, you have done 0 real analysis on finding scum. Period. You can come out all you want and say "i think so and so is x" without an actual post behind why you believe so its useless and fluff posts. It gives you the appearance of being active and contributing while in actuality lurking and keeping back. You also kept relatively inactive in thread all through day 2 until you were called out. As for the pushing of fishball now? If he flips red it gives us another one, decon. Compare fish's play to today till any other day and hes suddenly more active, gone from "i don't give a shit/post somewhat intelligently" to massive FoS someone who has yet to do anything massively anti town. Its chaos. But his play is drastically different now, what changed? Simple, he was given an "out" to live today. Far too convienient and most likely a lie. | ||
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Like, dude you said TWICE you weren't going to follow it, why the last minute decision? then you use a rolecheck and reveal its results after the guy claims his role? Wow, best move in the world. then the next one on a super inactive player. Awesome scum hunting yo. Why would you not use it on a player like kita, fishball, myself, cube or the like WHO ARE ALL IN THE CENTER OF this. Fishball points fingers at me and kita. You pointed some at kita, myself and are sure fishball isn't traitor. Kita thought I was, etc.... Yet you chose eiii who wasn't on any radars? at all? really? | ||
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On January 17 2011 14:43 bumatlarge wrote: Show nested quote + On January 17 2011 14:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 17 2011 14:24 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2011 13:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On January 17 2011 09:12 bumatlarge wrote: Since mafia believes I am role cop, I guess it's no use keeping it secret. I am a Role Cop Night 1. I checked kenpachi and it came back GodFather. I was going to come out and say it but then LSB and BC came out and said they went for GF, and that kenachi wasn't getting FoS for his move. Night 2 I picked Eii and got back vanilla. He should confirm this, but I have no idea what he went for or not. Night 3 I will check fishball if he survives. I want to check someone who can actually confirm I have rolecop, so tonight I will check one of the following unclaimed. Show nested quote + On January 17 2011 09:20 bumatlarge wrote: On January 17 2011 09:13 Kenpachi wrote: Interesting.. Eii lied? Did he claim? I must have missed it. Well I know he is lying so until he responds to his situation. ##Vote Eiii He never claimed he got parity cop but he did say he would try to get it. You voting for him after you know he flipped vanilla townie is retarded. If he flipped vanilla town, and we know traitor was chosen befor ehim in the list he can only be 100% town by your own role. This is the most what the fuck reasoning to vote ever. You could have read the thread to know he hadn't claimed. Also, it is far too convienient that you checked a claimed player already, checked an inactive and got back innocent, while not actively participating in analysis. You have rehashed information multiple times, or chimed in on possible targets but have failed to actually bring forward targets of your own. I will be analyzing you as you are insanely obviously red at this point. Your role claim / target choices just proves it. Now, lets get to the matter at hand. Town majority at least till this point was Fishball is traitor. for what I can see, town majority still thinks he is He claimed mafia medic protected him, IE we know he was recruited last night This also means for him to survive "decon's" hit, decon must be red as well (mafia med won't prot him, just recruit him) Factor in Fishballs play today, He is actively trying to kill an almost essentially confirmed player (yes fishball, he actually is almost confirmed) over not factoring in a random situation that was insanely unlikely. You have seperately called him traitor and sk in previous posts which would lead to the confusion of his saying "sk can't be traitor". EVERYONE STOP AND VOTE FISHBALL. At the moment he is being counter productive, and if I am correct and he flips recruited mafia, we have just nabbed decon as well. Bum is obviously red, and my next closest suspect is Pigsquirrel who I will also be analyzing. Lets just win this game already and stop with the nonessential infighting. We have a list of townies that are basically good to go, time to remove the ones who aren't contributing and obviously anti town. I know what I have to do to win. I don't need to confirm myself, I've been here this whole game telling town what I thought and giving them hell for what I thought was stupid, and you've been trying to do that also, except a day later. You let day 2 slip by without lynching anyone. So you are most likely busing fishball when half the active people are already voting for him and now deconduo is red? Of course we are going to lynch him next after killing 3 more townies during the night whether he is SK or scum. And it wouldn't surprise me if he did pop red now that you "deduced" it. The only thing stopping you is town isn't going to blindly believe everything you say. Jimbo was hit right after you said "I like this guy!" You knew he was smart, but that kill didn't go your way. Can't wait for him to get back and refute this scenario you've created. Now you are trying to bully the remainder of the people like Amber who is 95% town into following you by insulting them. I'll never get that why you and fishball think insulting someone's intelligence is the best way to persuade them. And of course the other 4 in the top besides fish and deconduo are town because their stories rely on one another, and damn you don't have a scum among them. Well let's kill them with kindness and "insta towny" all of them. WE'LL HAVE A HOLIDAY EVERYONE BC IS GIVING OUT INSTA TOWNIE REP! I've got mine, and I think you are banking way too hard that town will lynch me during lylo. You'd be running short on the list of people you can bus then? Bus? Dude, go compare your play to zeks, sup same shit. You are feigning activity, you have done 0 real analysis on finding scum. Period. You can come out all you want and say "i think so and so is x" without an actual post behind why you believe so its useless and fluff posts. It gives you the appearance of being active and contributing while in actuality lurking and keeping back. You also kept relatively inactive in thread all through day 2 until you were called out. As for the pushing of fishball now? If he flips red it gives us another one, decon. Compare fish's play to today till any other day and hes suddenly more active, gone from "i don't give a shit/post somewhat intelligently" to massive FoS someone who has yet to do anything massively anti town. Its chaos. But his play is drastically different now, what changed? Simple, he was given an "out" to live today. Far too convienient and most likely a lie Gonna keep building this up til day 5. It's almost insulting you are comparing me to zeks. It's as if you are stating that you are the sole reason fishball and deconduo are going to get lynched! That is funny. Long before you decided to start posting, deconduo should have died day 2 and fishball would die today. The only person you've outted is "me" In fact, if you are so sold on me and my feigned activity, you should lynch me now. I mean town will follow you right now, right? Oh wait you need to theoretically buy votes by killing fishball and deconduo, by "your" analysis, as if town couldn't figure out THE ONLY POSSIBLE TRAITOR, and a guy WHO CLAIMED SK. I don't need to say anymore. Deconduo practically claimed because I said to test DayVig hits. DID I HAVE TO DO THAT? As town I sure as hell did. If it wasn't lylo by day 5, I'd like to see your excuses if you actually got me to flip and find I was town. Really, you just need to dodge medic for a night to make lylo come unless you've got PoD tucked away. I'm confident you won't pull this off. Hi I outed LSB, as guess what it was my analysis that got him killed. Good job ignoring that. I am not taking the sole resonsibility on fishball, I am pointing out his change in play, pointing out decon? Guess what till recently most people just accepted he was SK, thats not confirmed hurrrrr durr. As for pushing you now? Why would I, you are painting yourself red so hard right now all you do is give people enough stuff to see your red just as I do. You and zeks had the same play, theres your comparison. You will be like "but he was inactive!" However his posts showed he was clearly reading the thread and not really being there, as did your posts till today. Connection. Fishballs play has changed drastically, hes directly connected to decon who went from active to suddenly quiet. Connection. You can say I am pointing things out that are done before, but guess what I pointed at you, found a connection to another player and have already found you contradicting yourself, hell you also tried to keep the find the traitor game up, which at this point I think is useless, why? because the #1 target for that is fishball who by today is recruited if he is. As for having people do the day vig test? Decon had already been called out for being the copycat by lsb so you don't get credit for it either. Now to bring up a point of you saying "as if town couldn't find the only possible traitor" why would you say that and believe it if you posted this a few pages ago On January 17 2011 12:59 bumatlarge wrote: kitaman27: Claimed Vig Proof - None? Claimed RB from cube. This clears kita's story unless both cube and him are scum, but he is not proven Vig. You still get informed you get RB if you are vanilla AFAIK. Possible Traitor You just admit fishball is traitor, yet you tried to FoS kita for it? Awesome, contradiction again, we are up to two in a quick glance, looks better and better for you. | ||
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On January 17 2011 14:52 Fishball wrote: Show nested quote + On January 17 2011 14:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fishball points fingers at me and kita. What? This is what I said. Show nested quote + On January 17 2011 09:10 Fishball wrote: I'm pretty sure even BC himself would agree with me if you look at it from another player's view point. Still, what he is providing right now, far outshines the skepticism early on; I don't really have anything against him for now. You said that now as in day 3, day 2 you FoS early on before I started posting -_-. Remember we are discussing his last night "check" | ||
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On January 18 2011 11:56 kitaman27 wrote: Since all but a couple of the claims are now public, I think it would be beneficial for the remainder to role claim. 1 deconduo copycat 2 Kenpachi godfather 3 kitaman27 vig 4 Barundar bullet bill 5 Jackal58 vanilla 6 Fishball traitor 7 Amber[Light] role blocker 8 CubEdIn medic 9 LayOffRage vanilla 10 bumatlarge role cop 11 HaploPaithan (parity cop?) 12 Eiii vanilla 13 BloodyC0bbler vanilla 14 zeks mason 15 Misder vanilla 16 aidnai witch 17 JimboSilvers (vet?) 18 GGQ day vig 19 Beneather bulletproof 20 Pigsquirrel ??? 21 Divinek hider 22 LSB vanilla @Haplo Since the mafia now knows whether or not you are the parity cop, you should claim your results @Pigsquirrel, with the pro-town roles all already out in the open, I would like to hear what your role is. Please do not ignore my request, as I am strongly considering hitting you if you do so. @Jimbo, are you sure you didn't die from that hit because it sure seems like it :/ Eiii claims that he tried to get parity and didn't get it correct? That means that someone below him has the role or he is lying and got red. For sake of the argument lets assume that he did get it. This means someone from 1 deconduo copycat 2 Kenpachi godfather 3 kitaman27 vig 4 Barundar bullet bill 5 Jackal58 vanilla 6 Fishball traitor 7 Amber[Light] role blocker 8 CubEdIn medic 9 LayOffRage vanilla 10 bumatlarge role cop 11 HaploPaithan (parity cop?) Is the parity cop, of that list, jackal, barundar, fishball and RoL are dead. Cube has proved his role essentially (still possible doubt that he and kita are lying, but very unlikely) decon has proved he is CC. As I picked after eiii and was unable to get GF it makes kenpachi's claim most likely legit clearing him from the list. That leaves amber, bum and halpo. Of these three, amber has so far had people claim that he has roleblocked them (this would leave it open that he is indeed the roleblocker). This leaves bum and halpo. Of these two, it is likely that the cpr exists. I say this for one simple reason. The only way mafia would know cpr was still available and try for it, is if decon was red. IT is far to much of a gamble if you are pick 10 or 11 to take cpr if #1 was not only supposed to but it was one role that the town wanted to be able to hold accountable period. Factor in as well that for last nights "extra" kp to make sense one of our known kp roles had to be lying. We know fishball was recruited and the chances of him being so night 1 are slim (wasn't 100% clear he had the role). Which means he was most likely converted night two. This means decon was lying as a mafia med would have recruited him, not saved him from a hit. Therefore believe that decon is red. His "shot" on fishball was a lie and instead mafia hits are jimbo/kita. One is a townie who pointed out zeks, the other town aligned KP. Unknown sk shot zeks. Now. In this case we have the cpr "unaccounted for" if parity cop was taken, the chances of cpr being taken in the first 11 players we know halpo or bum has it, which would mean the other has cpr. I would propose kita shoots bum, amber roleblocks halpo. Cube can protect who he wants to protect/roleblock. As he has the ability to roleblock I would suggest decon/pig as they are both suspicious at the moment. I will post more when I get home but im at a friends atm | ||
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On January 18 2011 14:41 JimboSilvers wrote: Sorry guys, just got back from an exhausting weekend. As people have already guessed, I am a veteran. Anyway, glad to see BC's analysis, as its right in line with mine. I have a few things to add though. I cant see a townie picking parity cop as Eiii said he'd already pick it and town doesnt want people losing out on roles for no reason. This means that whoever picked it is probably mafia. Furthermore, since mafia want to recruit the traitor without wasting a hit, it would be perfectly convenient to pick parity cop to deny town information and recruit mafia at the same time. Since parity cop is likely mafia, this would make it easy for bumatlarge to fake role cop, as they know Eiii would be green, and Kenpachi already claimed GF before bum announcd his check. Also, cubedin should not protect decon. Unless he's actually SK, which is unlikely at this point, that roleblock will do nothing. I'd be ok with using cubedin as a roleblock on pigsquirrel, as the PoD could pretty much end the game right now , or alternatively as a medic prot on BC/me. Anyway, I'll post more tomorrow when I get my stuff in order. I'm fine with roleblocking halpo, vigi'ing bum and "med/rb" pig to keep powers down. That should eliminate/block most of the mafia and their powers. The obvious worry is if there is a mafia in the lurkers but for now I believe most of the scummiest players are on tonights docket. I also glad to see someone else along my train of thought. | ||
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On January 19 2011 07:24 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 18 2011 17:27 aidnai wrote: On January 18 2011 14:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 18 2011 14:41 JimboSilvers wrote: Sorry guys, just got back from an exhausting weekend. As people have already guessed, I am a veteran. Anyway, glad to see BC's analysis, as its right in line with mine. I have a few things to add though. I cant see a townie picking parity cop as Eiii said he'd already pick it and town doesnt want people losing out on roles for no reason. This means that whoever picked it is probably mafia. Furthermore, since mafia want to recruit the traitor without wasting a hit, it would be perfectly convenient to pick parity cop to deny town information and recruit mafia at the same time. Since parity cop is likely mafia, this would make it easy for bumatlarge to fake role cop, as they know Eiii would be green, and Kenpachi already claimed GF before bum announcd his check. Also, cubedin should not protect decon. Unless he's actually SK, which is unlikely at this point, that roleblock will do nothing. I'd be ok with using cubedin as a roleblock on pigsquirrel, as the PoD could pretty much end the game right now , or alternatively as a medic prot on BC/me. Anyway, I'll post more tomorrow when I get my stuff in order. I'm fine with roleblocking halpo, vigi'ing bum and "med/rb" pig to keep powers down. That should eliminate/block most of the mafia and their powers. The obvious worry is if there is a mafia in the lurkers but for now I believe most of the scummiest players are on tonights docket. I also glad to see someone else along my train of thought. I'm OK with the targets, but I don't like the fact that kitaman is likely to die. Kita, what do you think? As wary as I have been of BC this game, this plan makes sense to me. I think cube would serve better as a medic than a roleblocker. I asked that he consider including me in his RNG medic save so if the mafia want to hit me, then they have to risk their kp not going through again. @dec, most people are accusing you of not being a SK. Do you have any response? It seems likely that people will be pushing for your lynch tomorrow. For you to be spared, you will probably have to show that you can be useful to the town. Do you have a scum target in mind? @bum, haven't heard from you since the lynch. Your name is coming up a lot for the night hit, have anything to say? @Jimbo....Do you ever intend to explain your situation with the previous night hit? You came in with a vague post on Saturday and now it is Tuesday and we are still waiting. he claimed vet a page or so ago. | ||
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On January 19 2011 07:56 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 19 2011 07:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 19 2011 07:24 kitaman27 wrote: On January 18 2011 17:27 aidnai wrote: On January 18 2011 14:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 18 2011 14:41 JimboSilvers wrote: Sorry guys, just got back from an exhausting weekend. As people have already guessed, I am a veteran. Anyway, glad to see BC's analysis, as its right in line with mine. I have a few things to add though. I cant see a townie picking parity cop as Eiii said he'd already pick it and town doesnt want people losing out on roles for no reason. This means that whoever picked it is probably mafia. Furthermore, since mafia want to recruit the traitor without wasting a hit, it would be perfectly convenient to pick parity cop to deny town information and recruit mafia at the same time. Since parity cop is likely mafia, this would make it easy for bumatlarge to fake role cop, as they know Eiii would be green, and Kenpachi already claimed GF before bum announcd his check. Also, cubedin should not protect decon. Unless he's actually SK, which is unlikely at this point, that roleblock will do nothing. I'd be ok with using cubedin as a roleblock on pigsquirrel, as the PoD could pretty much end the game right now , or alternatively as a medic prot on BC/me. Anyway, I'll post more tomorrow when I get my stuff in order. I'm fine with roleblocking halpo, vigi'ing bum and "med/rb" pig to keep powers down. That should eliminate/block most of the mafia and their powers. The obvious worry is if there is a mafia in the lurkers but for now I believe most of the scummiest players are on tonights docket. I also glad to see someone else along my train of thought. I'm OK with the targets, but I don't like the fact that kitaman is likely to die. Kita, what do you think? As wary as I have been of BC this game, this plan makes sense to me. I think cube would serve better as a medic than a roleblocker. I asked that he consider including me in his RNG medic save so if the mafia want to hit me, then they have to risk their kp not going through again. @dec, most people are accusing you of not being a SK. Do you have any response? It seems likely that people will be pushing for your lynch tomorrow. For you to be spared, you will probably have to show that you can be useful to the town. Do you have a scum target in mind? @bum, haven't heard from you since the lynch. Your name is coming up a lot for the night hit, have anything to say? @Jimbo....Do you ever intend to explain your situation with the previous night hit? You came in with a vague post on Saturday and now it is Tuesday and we are still waiting. he claimed vet a page or so ago. Hehe opps, its on this page >.< Must have missed it. and only reason I didn't have you listed for med prot was you are town kp. regardless cube will do what he believes is best | ||
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On January 19 2011 08:01 HaploPaithan wrote: Show nested quote + On January 19 2011 07:08 aidnai wrote: jumboshivers? that's as bad as GeorgeClooney calling pandain "paindrain" lol. Although, everyone is calling you halpo so maybe you just want a little payback... Haplo's claim presents an interesting situation... I don't like the idea of killing off our information roles. If Haplo is telling the truth (town parity cop), it seems unlikely that either bumatlarge or jimbo are mafia, considering jimbo wants bum to be vig hit tonight (however, SK is still a possibility for either.) It's quite possible that CPR doc is not in spot 10 or 11, for instance: -Deconduo is scum, he saved the CPR role for someone further down the draft. Mafia felt ballsy, waiting till near the end of the draft to pick up CPR doc, resulting in it being more hidden. More risk, more reward. -Deconduo is SK, mafia had someone at the end of the draft go for CPR doc, just for kicks, and got lucky. That being said, I would rather flip Haplo than bumatlarge, for two reasons: 1) If Bum is indeed role cop, he could be very useful for finding SKs... 2) Haplo's reasoning for picking parity cop is very dubious, to say the least. Especially after all this: On January 03 2011 13:02 HaploPaithan wrote: Cool plan. I'll go along with it. On January 05 2011 11:24 HaploPaithan wrote: I like the plan. Edit: If people can't agree on a full list. I think we should at least be able to agree that we need to have a pick order for the most dangerous roles. On January 07 2011 07:06 HaploPaithan wrote: /confirm I'm still cool with the predetermined list. On January 08 2011 01:23 HaploPaithan wrote: I feel everyone should post if they are going to follow LSB's plan as of right now. This will give us a good idea how many intend to follow it. I plan to follow it. Pretty uncool of you to insist you're gonna follow the plan and then snipe the role above yours, don't you think? If it turns out I saved the only scum set to die night one, just, lol... Those were posts while the plan was still up for discussion. Once it was obvious that not many people were planning on following the plan, I also chose to not follow. so instead you sniped the role of the guy directly behind you who said he was following the plan regardless? biggest douche move ever. Considering you also waited till being called out on it makes it even more scummy. | ||
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On January 19 2011 11:03 kitaman27 wrote: I hope so. Sorry BC, you were my target again. ........ Well, if he did target me, Good game town, You are pretty much fucked for being so retarded. Mafia gg, your strategy of being idle might win again. | ||
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On January 19 2011 11:16 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 19 2011 11:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You guys, are fucking stupid. Unless amber blocks pig we lose. That is of course provided pig is red, if hes not, whatever, if he is, double night = town loses a shit ton of players. gj. you both are terrible. I rarely give these out, but double heart for you! <3 <3 If pod is red and used his power, we lose, right now. No joke. | ||
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When fishball flipped recruited traitor, decon's story was shot, period. We just know hes a spent CC red. seriously, how have you missed this? the mafia are staring you in the face, I GAVE YOU THEM and a plan to off them / drop their NK's and instead of following said plan, a townie tries to waste his shot again, and our rbing med rb's the vig. Smart fucking, move. | ||
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On January 19 2011 11:25 CubEdIn wrote: Well, if I did rb pigg and he was town, then I would've died for nothing (as kita would've killed you). I agree following your plan the next day, if it works, and if decon doesn't prove himself. And don't call me dumb, since I was raging at decon for being red FIRST. You guys were the smart-asses who said it was UNLIKELY (you and LSB). So fuck that. We chose to trust him, then carry it to the end. If he doesn't prove anything tonight, you can fucking lynch him. The end. lynch the c p r, not the spent red. Killing decon doesn't lower kp, offing one of the two who has cpr does -_- | ||
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On January 19 2011 11:43 CubEdIn wrote: Hey, GG, I wasn't gonna protect PoD anyway, since I was hoping for a hit on him. Blame the actual roleblocker. ^_^ No, i blame you. Amber took care bum or halpo. Whichever he hit stopped a hit, as only two people died. This means he hit the cpr/sk. kita kp blocked cpr/sk blocked mafia + unblocked role of cpr/sk hits made it through. Just throwing it out there. | ||
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On January 19 2011 11:52 Ace wrote: By the way remember there are currently 12 players alive right now. and depending on the 4 night kills town loses. It comes down to if we want to let mafia or sk win. | ||
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On January 19 2011 11:57 Kenpachi wrote: I feel so doomed with only 12 people alive. the KP against town is strong as hell and at this rate, we would lose tomorrow. Kita before you die, you should take down pigsquirrel. I think the next in line would be BC and kita. the 3rd KP would probably kill me or Jimbo. I would assume that the surviving player of these lucky 4 will be mafia. If town wants to win, kita will shoot bum. Plain and simple. town can lynch pig/decon/halpo at their leisure. sk may or may not shoot one of them, but if amber followed my plan he roleblocked halpo. IE bum is the cpr (provided sk doesn't have the role). Halpo is then parity, decon is cc and pig just showed hes red / pod. kita shoots bum, mafia loses a kp, if kita gets shot like we think he will, thats two kp a night gone, leaving town ahead to lynch the mafia / sk and win this game. IT hinges on offing a kp in tonights hits though. IF sk was nice he would shoot halpo, and kita would shoot bum, but chances are kita will shoot at me again, mafia off two townies and sk coin clips on offing a townie / a red. | ||
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On January 19 2011 12:53 aidnai wrote: Can our two information roles claim what they found last night? ....... parity cop is red, rolecop isn't rolecop its cpr doctor. or the sk is cpr doctor, regardless bum/halpo are red. Their claims would mean nothing. | ||
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On January 19 2011 13:22 HaploPaithan wrote: I was not roleblocked last night. So it must have been bum who was. I viewed pigsquirrel last night and got the result different. I was hoping to determine if he was scum or not based on the view. Then lynch tomorrow so they wouldn't use PoD. Too bad they used it already. This puts Jimbo and Bum as town and Pigsquirrel as Scum obviously. Right now it would seem that it is 7/4/1. BC has picked out myself, bum, pigsquirrel and deconduo as the 4 scum. If i had to guess, I'd figure that Jumbo also agrees with him. If that is the case then scum will lose without the help of the SK. If i were scum, i certainly wouldn't be relying on the SK to help me win. It would be much better to wait a day and then use PoD. Scum had no guarentee about who Kita would kill. It seemed likely that kita would potentially target Bum or Deconduo last night. This seems like a big gamble and not worth waiting another night or 2 to reveal the PoD. It would have required no roleblock on the CPR, no protections on their targets, and for Kita to not hit one of us. I think we should be looking elsewhere. I'm looking at BC pretty heavily here. He is using a scare tactic of scum outright winning if we don't do as he says. This isn't really the case. We know for sure who a scum is, pigsquirrel. Yet he doesn't want to use the town's only KP on a guaranteed scum hit. He also considers Deconduo to be a scum, yet again isn't pushing for his death. Instead he wants to kill off Bum with the town KP and is hoping that the SK will kill off myself. The 2 players on his list least likely to be scum. If town and SK KP are used tonight to kill off Townies, then the game will go 3/4/1. Pretty much cementing a mafia win. We need to watch out for this. Other players that are potentially scum could include Misder, Beaneather, Aidnai, or Kenpachi. Though my personal opinion is that Aidnai is a town who is being swayed by BC. I will agree that Deconduo is probably scum. So if anything we should be playing it safe and killing off pigsquirrel or deconduo. Perhaps SK will help us, perhaps not. I'd personally say to kill Pigsquirrel tonight in hopes that Deconduo is actually the SK. Deconduo tomorrow. Sorry if this post is a mess. Took awhile to write and I don't like the way it turned out. But hopefully you guys understand what I'm trying to say. Hi, im the resident asshole, posting logically is something I have done overall all game. Now, lets break your post down. BC has picked out myself, bum, pigsquirrel and deconduo as the 4 scum. If i had to guess, I'd figure that Jumbo also agrees with him. If that is the case then scum will lose without the help of the SK. Now lets look at the numbers. 7v4v1 Tonight mafia hits two players. 5v4v1 sk hits town 4v4v1 town hits mafia 4v3v1 Now, if town doesn't kill cpr in the red that dies it comes down to a lynch. Lets say town lynches a mafia 4v2v1 IF town misses cpr again 2v2v1 SK shoots a town 1v2v1 mafia controls vote basically, sk lynched mafia wins, town lynched sk wins. TOWN can't win if sk helps mafia Town vig will not live past its one hit as well. now lets start over 7v4v1 Town hits mafia sk hits mafia 7v2v1 mafia hits x2 town 5v2v1 Now, in this position, SK will not shoot a mafia as he will lose. Town must now lynch cpr mafia (lets say it does for this part). 5v1v1 mafia shoots town sk shoots town 3v1v1 Town lynches mafia 3v0v1 sk hits town 2v0v1 town lynches sk town win. IF town misses the cpr mafia in its lynching above 5v1v1 mafia x2 hits town sk hits town 2v1v1 town cannot win, mafia or sk win based off lynch. Mafia can win without SK helping them, town cannot win without sk helping them. Your logic is fundamentally incorrect. Next, kenpachi and aidnai are essentially confirmed. AS much as kita annoys the fuck out of me for shooting at me, he is confirmed almost 90%. Eiii is confirmed town based on red sniping his role (sup halpo). There are 4 confirmed of the 7 town players. My actions at this point should have put me on that list, makes 5. Now, whos left, jimbo, misder, bum, decon, beneather, halpo, and pig. Of this list, we know decon is red, as is pig. 2 red jimbo misder, bum, beneather, halpo. of these 5, we know 2 are red, 1 is sk. Bum said he was going to follow the town plan, as did halpo, both did not. Both have sat back and lurked the thread "actively reading" yet not being helpful or participating. They also both have "investigative roles" that have all been used on players who have claimed/alignment been clearly displayed before they posted, ie faked results. This makes bum and halpo the last two reds. jimbo, misder, beneather, 2 town, 1 sk. OF the three of them, beneather and jimbo could possibly be the sk, I don't believe misder is, as well, his play style just screams his regular play as town. You now push that i don't want town to off the confirmed reds. GUESS what. Unless the red cpr doctor dies, town cannot win. Period. You can say its a mafia move, but unless the mafia cpr dies, the town loses. The numbers show it. Now obviously above the mafia could fail to hit a townie and shoot the sk keeping one townie alive longer, but the numbers show if all kp goes through. Town has to play a perfect game, or it loses, and it needs the sk to help to do it. By posting that the scum needs the sk to win just proves my point that you are red. Since you explicitly state decon and pig are obviously red, then link yourself to bum as "the two most unlikely reds" while posting the most scum filled post you have posted so far you just revealed your entire team to the town, while attempting very poorly to bus me. You also post your list of "scum" who include 2 confirmed townies, and two more confirmed town. Cool thanks. With your information beneather, aidnai, kenpachi, and misder are not mafia. We know kita is town, and we know based on your role steal/"checks" aidnai is not mafia, and based on actions we know jimbo and and I aren't mafia. You confirmed your entire team, and now all we have to do is analyze the sk. Ok town, if you refuse to see everything now, I honestly don't know what else it will take. | ||
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On January 19 2011 14:03 HaploPaithan wrote: I'll respond to this in the morning/afternoon when I have more time to think. I'm tired and need to sleep. IE "ill respond to this when my team figures out how to respond to it" | ||
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On January 20 2011 08:01 kitaman27 wrote: @SK I doubt I have to explain it to you, but it is in your best interest to hit a scum. The PoD was used in an attempt to gain control of the lynch. You are the scum's number one lynch target, while the town is hunting for the cpr doctor and remaining mafia. I will be not hitting deconduo tonight. If you want to prevent hit overlap, I suggest he be your target. ........ SK shoot bum Kita shoot Halpo. For fucks sake, no overlap kills, cpr/parity die. I am writing up why bum's post is full of shit right now, but seriously kita, if you want to win this game just follow my advice this one time. | ||
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On January 20 2011 07:47 bumatlarge wrote: I was roleblocked last night. I tried to rolecheck BC, as I am pretty sure either he or pig has CPR. So it's very clear from my perspective that the following are mafia. Deconduo HaploPaithan BC PigSquirrel This seems pretty clear now. Though I am not sure Haplo actually has parity, I don't even believe he knows how it functions. Look. Show nested quote + On January 19 2011 00:43 HaploPaithan wrote: Ok, I've been waiting to claim in hopes that Eiii was a scum and would lie about it. I did pick parity cop. N1 i viewed Bumatlarge, N2 I viewed JimboSilvers. I got the result same. @JumboShivers The reason I picked up Parity Cop over Eiii even though Eiii claimed he was going to pick it is because I didn't want the mafia to kill the parity cop. Outright claiming you are going to pick Parity Cop makes you a pretty good target. If Eiii were going to die, I didn't want us to lose Parity Cop. "I got the result same?" I'd like for him to clarify. But he should have it. So! Decon = CC Haplo = parity (have to check this, there might be some more slight possiblities, but that would involve kita being CPR rather then vig, would be retarded for mafia to take things like parity/mason instead of extra KP) BC = PoD/CPR Pig = PoD/CPR Assuming kita gets shot, he needs to hit either of those two so we can lynch the other. BC has conveniently assumed PoD is pig, but that is completely interchangeable in every scenario. I bet every shred of my dignity that BC has PoD, and pig has CPR. I get shot this night, I pop town. BC then proceeds to get lynched, and mafia has another night of CPR. This is the obvious situation at hand. I guess I have to really defend my integrity here? BC has constantly downplayed me for my 'lack of contribution' which I find ABSURD. He hasn't pointed out anyone that someone hasn't already. Guess why deonduo is CONFIRMED NON-TOWNIE? ME MOTHER FUCKERS. Show nested quote + On January 13 2011 21:39 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2011 17:06 JimboSilvers wrote: Wow what the hell do you think you pansies are doing here. I leave, and everyone decides on the brilliant idea of lynching LayOffRage, who claimed vanilla who picked traitor. He claimed to have failed at picking traitor, which no scum in his right mind would do. His lynch was pretty much opposed by nobody, and nobody stepped up to defend him. So he's obviously not scum, and he claimed traitor is above him. Yet you guys decided to lynch him for no other reason than because you thought he was lying. Or you were afraid of lynching a witch. Brilliant. Its 17 players left and 4 people died last night. If one hit was a JOAT hit, then its another 4 hits tonight + 1 lynch = 12 players left. There are 5 are mafia, 6 if mafia recruited the traitor, which would make it game. If it wasn't a JOAT and there's 2 SKs, then its 5 hits tonight which is even worse. So this is a potential lylo. Even if we correctly lynch today, its 4 mafia left and we have few leads. So priorities for right now are that we need to lynch red, and we need to get rid of questionable KP sources. deconduo is supposedly the CPR doctor. But besides all the attention he gets from his role, he is nothing but a useless, space wasting, unreliable heap of uselessness. In his first few posts, deconduo asks a few questions and puts out a couple one liners about LSB's plan. He doesn't offer anything conclusive and doesn't try to put forward any new ideas. A little later on, he quotes Fishball and says: Doesn't offer any more opinions and doesn't follow up on this comment. He just comes in, pops in a negative statement, and disappears from the thread for an entire day. What is his point? He certainly isn't invested in his opinions. The next day, he comes back, picks a "random" number, and gets first pick. Other than that, he contributes nothing. Has a panic "crisis" where he claims he didn't get the role he picked. All this time its just one liners. What is he trying to do? Make it look like he is active or something? His vote post is interesting. He lays out the three candidates, lists general reasons to vote for them, but is very wishy-washy and doesn't take a real stand, meandering his way around lynch. He just picks one but doesn't seem convinced about who he's voting for. Right after that, he asks "On a last note, do you guys want me to zap someone tonight, and who do you want me to zap? Don't forget mafia can manipulate the 'zap vote' just as easily as they can manipulate a lynch." That last sentence is just terrible. Why does he need to mention this statement? It seems like he is just giving himself an out when a townie dies. Next, he pops out of nowhere to accuse Amber[LighT] of OMGUS voting for aidnai. Yet he doesn't like the way aidnai is playing either. So what is it? deconduo isn't putting any thoughts into his post. He's pointing fingers without pointing fingers. In his next useless post, he says: Show nested quote + There has been a few names thrown about the place, but theres no unanimous candidate. Considering that its likely mafia have the CC role, I've been looking at people near the end of the list (for the less powerful roles). While the best suspects are at the top, I don't want to risk losing our JOAT/Vig/BB and giving mafia the role. Which best suspects? Why didn't you mention these earlier? Why were you so wishy washy in your vote post yet suddenly say that the "best suspects" are at the top? And following this, his next post says he'll random who to hit between Kenpachi, Jackal58, and Fishball. This is suspicious. He doesn't want to be accountable for his choice. And perhaps he even wants to protect one of his mafia buddies by giving a list and picking one at "random". deconduo's posts bring up more questions than answers. First he is clearly lurkiing the thread. He tries to spread doubt through the town, and uses questionable methods to determine who to zap. He doesn't take responsibility for his actions, and just seems to be flailing around looking for a consensus. A consensus that would allow him to blame his missteps on the town as a whole. As a bonus, deconduo has night KP. Getting rid of that will give us a bit more time and hopefully give us at least another day to find another red. ##Vote Deconduo I love this guy, I wish I could have told him to pick mason I've got an idea. The top three can prove themselves. One is a CC, right? They have DayVig then (?Assuming first kill is the first passed?). All they need to do is type: Kill: bumatlarge (Yay, I'm not DayVig!) Or someone else. That way we can know for certain who is what. So deconduo, kitaman and kenpachi, proceed to do this ASAP. If you are not DayVig, it will do nothing. Also, if Dayvig is scum, I'd advise him to use it on someone they consider SK, as I believe it will kill them. There are supposedly 2, as we don't even know if a JOAT is in play, let alone used their ability. ##Vote deconduo WHY, on this lovely green planet would I EVER point this out? Of course he was already getting shit, and likely someone would have pointed this out, but I did keep my vote on him the rest of the day. He nearly got lynched (I did say I would have taken my vote off, but the dry wall wasnt going to do itself) when I didn't need to keep the vote there and buy mafia another day with a no lynch (which they got anyway, because certain individuals were splitting the vote on decon and fish). What was BC doing? Paving the way for a mafia victory. He really did a great job getting LSB out there and having deconduo kill him (no sarcasm, really nice catch BC ). Speaking of that, let's see this again... Show nested quote + On January 15 2011 06:22 deconduo wrote: All the opinions I could find: BloodyC0bbler : LSB Amber[LighT]: Fishball kitaman27: Fishball Fishball : LSB HaploPaithan : (LSB I think?) LSB : Fishball deconduo : BC aidnai : BC? On January 14 2011 10:50 aidnai wrote: cubed says shoot cubed aidnai says shoot BC bumatlarge says shoot LSB or BC Amber[light] says shoot BC Pigsquirrel says shoot LSB Kenpachi loosely implies shoot BC... i'll just quote him On January 14 2011 09:31 Kenpachi wrote: ##vote abstain eh.. BC wagon isnt going to happen today so no lynch for me. fishball says meh Not enough people to be decisive. I don't like it, but this will have to wait until morning. Less time to pick a lynch, sigh. Fishball: 3 BC: 3-4 LSB: 4-5 I think Now I'm counting these out again. That's what decon said he thought it came to... LSB: 5 BC: 5-6 FB: 3 Now let me guess, both BC and FB were not going to get shot no matter how those votes went? Seems pretty obvious now in hindsight. And also, looking back on the 40-45 pages, haplo, deconduo and pig all call me town and call BC mafia. Take that as you will, but as I see it, maybe this plan was really forming after only zeks died night 2. That's pretty awesome. I can post them if people would like. And I'm not going to use real life as an excuse. There was time when I could have gotten on and did some soul-searching in this thread, but I decided not to. I started writing my visit to Eiii, but it appears more pressing matters are at hand. I'm assuming Amber RB'd me by the way, which is unfortunate, because then I could point out for certain whether Pig or BC is CPR. Good luck kita, it's your decision DONT LET THAT BC DUDE TELL YOU WHAT TO DO. FIGHT THE POWER. My only response to you is going to be bolding your miscount where you directly lie. With that your fate as lying mafia gets sealed. Honestly, do you guys not read your own posts? I bolded the votes above where Bum counts aidnai's vote twice, misrepresents that amber voted both for myself and fishball. making the counts actually Fishball: 2-3 BC: 3 - 5 LSB: 4 - 5. LSB is still ahead overall in numbers as at a minimum more people wanted him dead. Now, for the rest who are interested in massive lies by him, read his last bit where he is "conveniently" roleblocked when the plan for amber was to block halpo and kita shoot bum. Amber didn't disagree with this plan he merely added that cube should pick pig over decon due to pigs role. This seems to me at least he was on board with it, as rather than fix it, he would have criticized it. Meaning if he followed the plan, bum again lies. Bum has been caught lying all game, he is lying now. Halpo promised to be back hours ago with a post to defend himself, and no show, and here we have bum trying to bus his entire team. This to me means he is trying his best to save his own ass. Which red at this point has to survive the longest for the mafia to win? the cpr doctor. He just gave himself up guys, do the right thing. | ||
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On January 17 2011 07:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On January 17 2011 07:27 kitaman27 wrote: On January 17 2011 07:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 17 2011 07:06 Kenpachi wrote: On January 17 2011 06:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 17 2011 06:47 Kenpachi wrote: On January 17 2011 06:44 Fishball wrote: On January 17 2011 06:41 Kenpachi wrote: your missing that Kita was hit by someone. Read my post above yours Ok, Kita was hit. So he is confirmed. ??? Mafia hit was on Kita or Jimbo. JOAT/CPR/Unkown SK was on Zeks. You were hit by Deconduo. Kita hit BC. Now, This doesnt make much sense and the only possibilities are a 2nd SK on Zeks and Mafia with a JOAT/CPR or SK with 2 KP. It makes alot of sense if the remaining SK isn't decon. SK's hit goes through Bulletproof. We know that a SK hit Zeks or Kita because Jimbo is most likely BP I mean the fact there were 5 "hits" make sense if decon isn't the sk. This is kinda unrelated, but it was something I never got a chance to address BC. You repeatedly state that if Fishball is the traitor he has to provide reds for us to stay alive. 1) Why would the traitor in his situation ever consider hunting for a red? 2) What reds has he found? I will speak from experience. When I was Traitor back when the role was first introduced to TL, I knew If i got intouch with the mafia I could help them, except I also had to be active enough and not appear as scum. To this regards I analyzed. Pointing out people you think are "red" but not pushing them to a lynch is a good sign for reds to spot you and make contact. Fishball has "analyzed" multiple people this game but never pushed for a lynch. If you believe he is traitor these would be the signs you are looking for, subtle clues in thread to reveal who he is. With a list of 5-6 players it woudl take mafia forever to find him on their own without luck. Him giving signs (finding a few of them, or giving off tell tale signs) would be what they need. The fatal mistake in your thinking is that just because hes traitor (in a no pm game no less) that he will just sit back and wait for them to find him, he has to meet them halfway, or find them. IF fishball is the traitor, I can almost guarentee you that decon is mafia by association. I say this because if an SK is going to shoot who everyone thinks the traitor is, mafia wouldn't waste their med on the cause as any mafia action would auto recruit him, (would take two meds or fishball having bulletproof/vet to live). As such, if fish is traitor, it would make more sense for decon to be red, claim he is going to hit him, mafia any powerrole that isnt kp targets fish and recruits him. They now lie about the hit. This leaves mafia two kp to use (keep in mind if decon is red, cpr is going to be 100% in mafia hands). Mafia takes a shot at kita hoping to take out a town kp role, and shoots jimbo for being smart, the second sk shoots zeks as it benefits him completely (zeks claimed mason). That situation seems the most plausible to me. IT also means that if the situation I just outlined is correct that kita/amber/kenpachi/cube are all instantly confirmed as town. You can say you proved decon was anti town bum, but my post proved he was mafia. However, your post merely played off of this anyway On January 13 2011 17:06 JimboSilvers wrote: Wow what the hell do you think you pansies are doing here. I leave, and everyone decides on the brilliant idea of lynching LayOffRage, who claimed vanilla who picked traitor. He claimed to have failed at picking traitor, which no scum in his right mind would do. His lynch was pretty much opposed by nobody, and nobody stepped up to defend him. So he's obviously not scum, and he claimed traitor is above him. Yet you guys decided to lynch him for no other reason than because you thought he was lying. Or you were afraid of lynching a witch. Brilliant. Its 17 players left and 4 people died last night. If one hit was a JOAT hit, then its another 4 hits tonight + 1 lynch = 12 players left. There are 5 are mafia, 6 if mafia recruited the traitor, which would make it game. If it wasn't a JOAT and there's 2 SKs, then its 5 hits tonight which is even worse. So this is a potential lylo. Even if we correctly lynch today, its 4 mafia left and we have few leads. So priorities for right now are that we need to lynch red, and we need to get rid of questionable KP sources. deconduo is supposedly the CPR doctor. But besides all the attention he gets from his role, he is nothing but a useless, space wasting, unreliable heap of uselessness. In his first few posts, deconduo asks a few questions and puts out a couple one liners about LSB's plan. He doesn't offer anything conclusive and doesn't try to put forward any new ideas. A little later on, he quotes Fishball and says: Doesn't offer any more opinions and doesn't follow up on this comment. He just comes in, pops in a negative statement, and disappears from the thread for an entire day. What is his point? He certainly isn't invested in his opinions. The next day, he comes back, picks a "random" number, and gets first pick. Other than that, he contributes nothing. Has a panic "crisis" where he claims he didn't get the role he picked. All this time its just one liners. What is he trying to do? Make it look like he is active or something? His vote post is interesting. He lays out the three candidates, lists general reasons to vote for them, but is very wishy-washy and doesn't take a real stand, meandering his way around lynch. He just picks one but doesn't seem convinced about who he's voting for. Right after that, he asks "On a last note, do you guys want me to zap someone tonight, and who do you want me to zap? Don't forget mafia can manipulate the 'zap vote' just as easily as they can manipulate a lynch." That last sentence is just terrible. Why does he need to mention this statement? It seems like he is just giving himself an out when a townie dies. Next, he pops out of nowhere to accuse Amber[LighT] of OMGUS voting for aidnai. Yet he doesn't like the way aidnai is playing either. So what is it? deconduo isn't putting any thoughts into his post. He's pointing fingers without pointing fingers. In his next useless post, he says: Show nested quote + There has been a few names thrown about the place, but theres no unanimous candidate. Considering that its likely mafia have the CC role, I've been looking at people near the end of the list (for the less powerful roles). While the best suspects are at the top, I don't want to risk losing our JOAT/Vig/BB and giving mafia the role. Which best suspects? Why didn't you mention these earlier? Why were you so wishy washy in your vote post yet suddenly say that the "best suspects" are at the top? And following this, his next post says he'll random who to hit between Kenpachi, Jackal58, and Fishball. This is suspicious. He doesn't want to be accountable for his choice. And perhaps he even wants to protect one of his mafia buddies by giving a list and picking one at "random". deconduo's posts bring up more questions than answers. First he is clearly lurkiing the thread. He tries to spread doubt through the town, and uses questionable methods to determine who to zap. He doesn't take responsibility for his actions, and just seems to be flailing around looking for a consensus. A consensus that would allow him to blame his missteps on the town as a whole. As a bonus, deconduo has night KP. Getting rid of that will give us a bit more time and hopefully give us at least another day to find another red. ##Vote Deconduo Guess what, jimbo posted first, and in that post he analyzed decon and found him anti town. Guess what your post did, helped narrow down who had the CC, not an antitown your post helped find our CC. Good job though bum. Keep in mind that you can try your best to take credit for things, but anyone who wants to read can see decon was getting votes, lsb pinned him on CC, and had detailed analysis on him before you even appeared. Stop lying and die already. | ||
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On January 20 2011 08:39 bumatlarge wrote: Show nested quote + On January 20 2011 08:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 20 2011 07:47 bumatlarge wrote: I was roleblocked last night. I tried to rolecheck BC, as I am pretty sure either he or pig has CPR. So it's very clear from my perspective that the following are mafia. Deconduo HaploPaithan BC PigSquirrel This seems pretty clear now. Though I am not sure Haplo actually has parity, I don't even believe he knows how it functions. Look. On January 19 2011 00:43 HaploPaithan wrote: Ok, I've been waiting to claim in hopes that Eiii was a scum and would lie about it. I did pick parity cop. N1 i viewed Bumatlarge, N2 I viewed JimboSilvers. I got the result same. @JumboShivers The reason I picked up Parity Cop over Eiii even though Eiii claimed he was going to pick it is because I didn't want the mafia to kill the parity cop. Outright claiming you are going to pick Parity Cop makes you a pretty good target. If Eiii were going to die, I didn't want us to lose Parity Cop. "I got the result same?" I'd like for him to clarify. But he should have it. So! Decon = CC Haplo = parity (have to check this, there might be some more slight possiblities, but that would involve kita being CPR rather then vig, would be retarded for mafia to take things like parity/mason instead of extra KP) BC = PoD/CPR Pig = PoD/CPR Assuming kita gets shot, he needs to hit either of those two so we can lynch the other. BC has conveniently assumed PoD is pig, but that is completely interchangeable in every scenario. I bet every shred of my dignity that BC has PoD, and pig has CPR. I get shot this night, I pop town. BC then proceeds to get lynched, and mafia has another night of CPR. This is the obvious situation at hand. I guess I have to really defend my integrity here? BC has constantly downplayed me for my 'lack of contribution' which I find ABSURD. He hasn't pointed out anyone that someone hasn't already. Guess why deonduo is CONFIRMED NON-TOWNIE? ME MOTHER FUCKERS. On January 13 2011 21:39 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2011 17:06 JimboSilvers wrote: Wow what the hell do you think you pansies are doing here. I leave, and everyone decides on the brilliant idea of lynching LayOffRage, who claimed vanilla who picked traitor. He claimed to have failed at picking traitor, which no scum in his right mind would do. His lynch was pretty much opposed by nobody, and nobody stepped up to defend him. So he's obviously not scum, and he claimed traitor is above him. Yet you guys decided to lynch him for no other reason than because you thought he was lying. Or you were afraid of lynching a witch. Brilliant. Its 17 players left and 4 people died last night. If one hit was a JOAT hit, then its another 4 hits tonight + 1 lynch = 12 players left. There are 5 are mafia, 6 if mafia recruited the traitor, which would make it game. If it wasn't a JOAT and there's 2 SKs, then its 5 hits tonight which is even worse. So this is a potential lylo. Even if we correctly lynch today, its 4 mafia left and we have few leads. So priorities for right now are that we need to lynch red, and we need to get rid of questionable KP sources. deconduo is supposedly the CPR doctor. But besides all the attention he gets from his role, he is nothing but a useless, space wasting, unreliable heap of uselessness. In his first few posts, deconduo asks a few questions and puts out a couple one liners about LSB's plan. He doesn't offer anything conclusive and doesn't try to put forward any new ideas. A little later on, he quotes Fishball and says: Doesn't offer any more opinions and doesn't follow up on this comment. He just comes in, pops in a negative statement, and disappears from the thread for an entire day. What is his point? He certainly isn't invested in his opinions. The next day, he comes back, picks a "random" number, and gets first pick. Other than that, he contributes nothing. Has a panic "crisis" where he claims he didn't get the role he picked. All this time its just one liners. What is he trying to do? Make it look like he is active or something? His vote post is interesting. He lays out the three candidates, lists general reasons to vote for them, but is very wishy-washy and doesn't take a real stand, meandering his way around lynch. He just picks one but doesn't seem convinced about who he's voting for. Right after that, he asks "On a last note, do you guys want me to zap someone tonight, and who do you want me to zap? Don't forget mafia can manipulate the 'zap vote' just as easily as they can manipulate a lynch." That last sentence is just terrible. Why does he need to mention this statement? It seems like he is just giving himself an out when a townie dies. Next, he pops out of nowhere to accuse Amber[LighT] of OMGUS voting for aidnai. Yet he doesn't like the way aidnai is playing either. So what is it? deconduo isn't putting any thoughts into his post. He's pointing fingers without pointing fingers. In his next useless post, he says: Show nested quote + There has been a few names thrown about the place, but theres no unanimous candidate. Considering that its likely mafia have the CC role, I've been looking at people near the end of the list (for the less powerful roles). While the best suspects are at the top, I don't want to risk losing our JOAT/Vig/BB and giving mafia the role. Which best suspects? Why didn't you mention these earlier? Why were you so wishy washy in your vote post yet suddenly say that the "best suspects" are at the top? And following this, his next post says he'll random who to hit between Kenpachi, Jackal58, and Fishball. This is suspicious. He doesn't want to be accountable for his choice. And perhaps he even wants to protect one of his mafia buddies by giving a list and picking one at "random". deconduo's posts bring up more questions than answers. First he is clearly lurkiing the thread. He tries to spread doubt through the town, and uses questionable methods to determine who to zap. He doesn't take responsibility for his actions, and just seems to be flailing around looking for a consensus. A consensus that would allow him to blame his missteps on the town as a whole. As a bonus, deconduo has night KP. Getting rid of that will give us a bit more time and hopefully give us at least another day to find another red. ##Vote Deconduo I love this guy, I wish I could have told him to pick mason I've got an idea. The top three can prove themselves. One is a CC, right? They have DayVig then (?Assuming first kill is the first passed?). All they need to do is type: Kill: bumatlarge (Yay, I'm not DayVig!) Or someone else. That way we can know for certain who is what. So deconduo, kitaman and kenpachi, proceed to do this ASAP. If you are not DayVig, it will do nothing. Also, if Dayvig is scum, I'd advise him to use it on someone they consider SK, as I believe it will kill them. There are supposedly 2, as we don't even know if a JOAT is in play, let alone used their ability. ##Vote deconduo WHY, on this lovely green planet would I EVER point this out? Of course he was already getting shit, and likely someone would have pointed this out, but I did keep my vote on him the rest of the day. He nearly got lynched (I did say I would have taken my vote off, but the dry wall wasnt going to do itself) when I didn't need to keep the vote there and buy mafia another day with a no lynch (which they got anyway, because certain individuals were splitting the vote on decon and fish). What was BC doing? Paving the way for a mafia victory. He really did a great job getting LSB out there and having deconduo kill him (no sarcasm, really nice catch BC ). Speaking of that, let's see this again... On January 15 2011 06:22 deconduo wrote: All the opinions I could find: BloodyC0bbler : LSB Amber[LighT]: Fishball kitaman27: Fishball Fishball : LSB HaploPaithan : (LSB I think?) LSB : Fishball deconduo : BC aidnai : BC? On January 14 2011 10:50 aidnai wrote: cubed says shoot cubed aidnai says shoot BC bumatlarge says shoot LSB or BC Amber[light] says shoot BC Pigsquirrel says shoot LSB Kenpachi loosely implies shoot BC... i'll just quote him On January 14 2011 09:31 Kenpachi wrote: ##vote abstain eh.. BC wagon isnt going to happen today so no lynch for me. fishball says meh Not enough people to be decisive. I don't like it, but this will have to wait until morning. Less time to pick a lynch, sigh. Fishball: 3 BC: 3-4 LSB: 4-5 I think Now I'm counting these out again. That's what decon said he thought it came to... LSB: 5 BC: 5-6 FB: 3 Now let me guess, both BC and FB were not going to get shot no matter how those votes went? Seems pretty obvious now in hindsight. And also, looking back on the 40-45 pages, haplo, deconduo and pig all call me town and call BC mafia. Take that as you will, but as I see it, maybe this plan was really forming after only zeks died night 2. That's pretty awesome. I can post them if people would like. And I'm not going to use real life as an excuse. There was time when I could have gotten on and did some soul-searching in this thread, but I decided not to. I started writing my visit to Eiii, but it appears more pressing matters are at hand. I'm assuming Amber RB'd me by the way, which is unfortunate, because then I could point out for certain whether Pig or BC is CPR. Good luck kita, it's your decision DONT LET THAT BC DUDE TELL YOU WHAT TO DO. FIGHT THE POWER. My only response to you is going to be bolding your miscount where you directly lie. With that your fate as lying mafia gets sealed. Honestly, do you guys not read your own posts? I bolded the votes above where Bum counts aidnai's vote twice, misrepresents that amber voted both for myself and fishball. making the counts actually Fishball: 2-3 BC: 3 - 5 LSB: 4 - 5. LSB is still ahead overall in numbers as at a minimum more people wanted him dead. Now, for the rest who are interested in massive lies by him, read his last bit where he is "conveniently" roleblocked when the plan for amber was to block halpo and kita shoot bum. Amber didn't disagree with this plan he merely added that cube should pick pig over decon due to pigs role. This seems to me at least he was on board with it, as rather than fix it, he would have criticized it. Meaning if he followed the plan, bum again lies. Bum has been caught lying all game, he is lying now. Halpo promised to be back hours ago with a post to defend himself, and no show, and here we have bum trying to bus his entire team. This to me means he is trying his best to save his own ass. Which red at this point has to survive the longest for the mafia to win? the cpr doctor. He just gave himself up guys, do the right thing. Oh, I did count Aidnai twice. My bad. Doesn't matter as you were never going to get hit anyway. Didn't you tell amber to RB me? I was to busy NOT FOLLOWING YOUR PLAN. I got Roleblocked, plain and simple. I never lied intentionally this entire game. I just make mistakes counting abstract votes that never really mattered. I think kita plans on shooting you anyway, which is good. But I'm still convinced Pig is the CPR. The fact that you assume I am the CPR in your theory is so shortsighted, that it's fairly clear what your agenda is. How is it 100% certain that I am CPR? Because you already know who it is, and for this to work, I have to die first, and then you get lynched, viola CPR is alive. Am I right BC? I mean, you weren't roleblocked this night and it went off? Pig was roleblocked night 2 and only zeks died? Maybe I'm misinterpreting how you positioned everything. And I said LSB's list was a good guideline I didn't pick RC because LSB told me to. Funny how you make that one of my main flaws. And now you are getting desperate because either: 1) Pig gets hit, and you lost any chance of winning 2) You get hit, and pop PoD and we lynch Pig then Your room for accusing me of lying and then making my choice to take Role Cop is closed off now No, no it isnt. You specifically said you weren't going to follow it and did, factor in we know either you or halpo has parity, factor in we have pig not only claim red but pod. Decon is CC, bam we have 3 mafia roles on 4 players. As halpo was the one on the slate to be roleblocked (why would amber rb you if you were supposed to be vigi'd) and we have our cpr. Funny how you bring me up for a lynch target. I am town, I have found your entire team, pinned you each to your roles, and you bring up a lynch? I expect to get shot either by your team or sk. If kita shoots me again he guarentee's town loss which is what you, halpo, pig, and decon have been aiming for all game. Who in this game has pushed the hardest for me to die? You, Pig, Halpo, Decon, Aidnai, Fishball. Fishball flipped red traitor Aidnai has said he believes i am town now pig has claimed mafia Decon is Mafia Halpo linked you and he as only legit townies this game (yet doesn't try to check you to prove that?) Links to red by many people, you just bussed him You claim halpo is red and are red on more than 1 person's list. Wow, 5 of 6 red players have been accusing me for ages. Yes, I am obviously red, that is why my team has been busing me all game. Now to catch you again. You mention pig was rb'd night 2 and only zeks died? Guess what Kita shot at me and was rb'd jimbo took a hit kita took a hit zeks died 4 hits. Voila, you again try to pin cpr on me, but all the hits were accounted 4. You try to change lie into mistake, however, purposeful misrepresentation of facts are indeed lies. I feel bad for you bum, you guys tried to play this game the same way as every other red team in recent games, idle by and do dick all and let town off itself. You must not have expected to have to deal with someone capable of analyzing you and calling you out, let alone someone who could defend theirself while revealing your lies in the process. | ||
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On January 20 2011 08:57 bumatlarge wrote: Show nested quote + On January 20 2011 07:47 bumatlarge wrote: On January 13 2011 21:39 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2011 17:06 JimboSilvers wrote: Wow what the hell do you think you pansies are doing here. I leave, and everyone decides on the brilliant idea of lynching LayOffRage, who claimed vanilla who picked traitor. He claimed to have failed at picking traitor, which no scum in his right mind would do. His lynch was pretty much opposed by nobody, and nobody stepped up to defend him. So he's obviously not scum, and he claimed traitor is above him. Yet you guys decided to lynch him for no other reason than because you thought he was lying. Or you were afraid of lynching a witch. Brilliant. Its 17 players left and 4 people died last night. If one hit was a JOAT hit, then its another 4 hits tonight + 1 lynch = 12 players left. There are 5 are mafia, 6 if mafia recruited the traitor, which would make it game. If it wasn't a JOAT and there's 2 SKs, then its 5 hits tonight which is even worse. So this is a potential lylo. Even if we correctly lynch today, its 4 mafia left and we have few leads. So priorities for right now are that we need to lynch red, and we need to get rid of questionable KP sources. deconduo is supposedly the CPR doctor. But besides all the attention he gets from his role, he is nothing but a useless, space wasting, unreliable heap of uselessness. In his first few posts, deconduo asks a few questions and puts out a couple one liners about LSB's plan. He doesn't offer anything conclusive and doesn't try to put forward any new ideas. A little later on, he quotes Fishball and says: Doesn't offer any more opinions and doesn't follow up on this comment. He just comes in, pops in a negative statement, and disappears from the thread for an entire day. What is his point? He certainly isn't invested in his opinions. The next day, he comes back, picks a "random" number, and gets first pick. Other than that, he contributes nothing. Has a panic "crisis" where he claims he didn't get the role he picked. All this time its just one liners. What is he trying to do? Make it look like he is active or something? His vote post is interesting. He lays out the three candidates, lists general reasons to vote for them, but is very wishy-washy and doesn't take a real stand, meandering his way around lynch. He just picks one but doesn't seem convinced about who he's voting for. Right after that, he asks "On a last note, do you guys want me to zap someone tonight, and who do you want me to zap? Don't forget mafia can manipulate the 'zap vote' just as easily as they can manipulate a lynch." That last sentence is just terrible. Why does he need to mention this statement? It seems like he is just giving himself an out when a townie dies. Next, he pops out of nowhere to accuse Amber[LighT] of OMGUS voting for aidnai. Yet he doesn't like the way aidnai is playing either. So what is it? deconduo isn't putting any thoughts into his post. He's pointing fingers without pointing fingers. In his next useless post, he says: Show nested quote + There has been a few names thrown about the place, but theres no unanimous candidate. Considering that its likely mafia have the CC role, I've been looking at people near the end of the list (for the less powerful roles). While the best suspects are at the top, I don't want to risk losing our JOAT/Vig/BB and giving mafia the role. Which best suspects? Why didn't you mention these earlier? Why were you so wishy washy in your vote post yet suddenly say that the "best suspects" are at the top? And following this, his next post says he'll random who to hit between Kenpachi, Jackal58, and Fishball. This is suspicious. He doesn't want to be accountable for his choice. And perhaps he even wants to protect one of his mafia buddies by giving a list and picking one at "random". deconduo's posts bring up more questions than answers. First he is clearly lurkiing the thread. He tries to spread doubt through the town, and uses questionable methods to determine who to zap. He doesn't take responsibility for his actions, and just seems to be flailing around looking for a consensus. A consensus that would allow him to blame his missteps on the town as a whole. As a bonus, deconduo has night KP. Getting rid of that will give us a bit more time and hopefully give us at least another day to find another red. ##Vote Deconduo I love this guy, I wish I could have told him to pick mason I've got an idea. The top three can prove themselves. One is a CC, right? They have DayVig then (?Assuming first kill is the first passed?). All they need to do is type: Kill: bumatlarge (Yay, I'm not DayVig!) Or someone else. That way we can know for certain who is what. So deconduo, kitaman and kenpachi, proceed to do this ASAP. If you are not DayVig, it will do nothing. Also, if Dayvig is scum, I'd advise him to use it on someone they consider SK, as I believe it will kill them. There are supposedly 2, as we don't even know if a JOAT is in play, let alone used their ability. ##Vote deconduo WHY BC? WHY WHY WHY? There is absolutely NO REASON for this as scum. Kill him kita, FOR THE CHILDREN Your going to try that wifom nonsense? It builds credibility for you side. Decon shoots you, gets painted as sk and lives longer than he should since town will "force him" to help them. Mafia know sk is still alive and with the cpr doctor dead will spend more time offing townies than mafia. Its a clever ploy that could have worked really if you knew how to execute it. | ||
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On January 20 2011 09:03 aidnai wrote: That reminds me of something I was wondering earlier... why did everyone assume or know that CC got the dayvig role and not one of the other roles that died (e.g. bullet bill)? first role dead listed was day vig | ||
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On January 20 2011 09:04 bumatlarge wrote: AW SHIT LOOK AT ME IM RETARDED you really are. Also for someone who knows only the cpr is required to win, why was I the first to really point that out? Why am I the only one analyzing people all game. Why is it that you only contribute when called out, why do you actively lie, why do you actively misinterpret facts, why for someone with all your experience (played as long as I have) are you making so many rookie mistakes? Seriously dude, sit down and see how the shots come out. Both your mafia team and my town team need massive luck to win. All these posts are doing now is trying to convince the sk which route he will take for his easiest win. | ||
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On January 20 2011 09:06 bumatlarge wrote: Show nested quote + On January 20 2011 09:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 20 2011 08:57 bumatlarge wrote: On January 20 2011 07:47 bumatlarge wrote: On January 13 2011 21:39 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2011 17:06 JimboSilvers wrote: Wow what the hell do you think you pansies are doing here. I leave, and everyone decides on the brilliant idea of lynching LayOffRage, who claimed vanilla who picked traitor. He claimed to have failed at picking traitor, which no scum in his right mind would do. His lynch was pretty much opposed by nobody, and nobody stepped up to defend him. So he's obviously not scum, and he claimed traitor is above him. Yet you guys decided to lynch him for no other reason than because you thought he was lying. Or you were afraid of lynching a witch. Brilliant. Its 17 players left and 4 people died last night. If one hit was a JOAT hit, then its another 4 hits tonight + 1 lynch = 12 players left. There are 5 are mafia, 6 if mafia recruited the traitor, which would make it game. If it wasn't a JOAT and there's 2 SKs, then its 5 hits tonight which is even worse. So this is a potential lylo. Even if we correctly lynch today, its 4 mafia left and we have few leads. So priorities for right now are that we need to lynch red, and we need to get rid of questionable KP sources. deconduo is supposedly the CPR doctor. But besides all the attention he gets from his role, he is nothing but a useless, space wasting, unreliable heap of uselessness. In his first few posts, deconduo asks a few questions and puts out a couple one liners about LSB's plan. He doesn't offer anything conclusive and doesn't try to put forward any new ideas. A little later on, he quotes Fishball and says: Doesn't offer any more opinions and doesn't follow up on this comment. He just comes in, pops in a negative statement, and disappears from the thread for an entire day. What is his point? He certainly isn't invested in his opinions. The next day, he comes back, picks a "random" number, and gets first pick. Other than that, he contributes nothing. Has a panic "crisis" where he claims he didn't get the role he picked. All this time its just one liners. What is he trying to do? Make it look like he is active or something? His vote post is interesting. He lays out the three candidates, lists general reasons to vote for them, but is very wishy-washy and doesn't take a real stand, meandering his way around lynch. He just picks one but doesn't seem convinced about who he's voting for. Right after that, he asks "On a last note, do you guys want me to zap someone tonight, and who do you want me to zap? Don't forget mafia can manipulate the 'zap vote' just as easily as they can manipulate a lynch." That last sentence is just terrible. Why does he need to mention this statement? It seems like he is just giving himself an out when a townie dies. Next, he pops out of nowhere to accuse Amber[LighT] of OMGUS voting for aidnai. Yet he doesn't like the way aidnai is playing either. So what is it? deconduo isn't putting any thoughts into his post. He's pointing fingers without pointing fingers. In his next useless post, he says: Show nested quote + There has been a few names thrown about the place, but theres no unanimous candidate. Considering that its likely mafia have the CC role, I've been looking at people near the end of the list (for the less powerful roles). While the best suspects are at the top, I don't want to risk losing our JOAT/Vig/BB and giving mafia the role. Which best suspects? Why didn't you mention these earlier? Why were you so wishy washy in your vote post yet suddenly say that the "best suspects" are at the top? And following this, his next post says he'll random who to hit between Kenpachi, Jackal58, and Fishball. This is suspicious. He doesn't want to be accountable for his choice. And perhaps he even wants to protect one of his mafia buddies by giving a list and picking one at "random". deconduo's posts bring up more questions than answers. First he is clearly lurkiing the thread. He tries to spread doubt through the town, and uses questionable methods to determine who to zap. He doesn't take responsibility for his actions, and just seems to be flailing around looking for a consensus. A consensus that would allow him to blame his missteps on the town as a whole. As a bonus, deconduo has night KP. Getting rid of that will give us a bit more time and hopefully give us at least another day to find another red. ##Vote Deconduo I love this guy, I wish I could have told him to pick mason I've got an idea. The top three can prove themselves. One is a CC, right? They have DayVig then (?Assuming first kill is the first passed?). All they need to do is type: Kill: bumatlarge (Yay, I'm not DayVig!) Or someone else. That way we can know for certain who is what. So deconduo, kitaman and kenpachi, proceed to do this ASAP. If you are not DayVig, it will do nothing. Also, if Dayvig is scum, I'd advise him to use it on someone they consider SK, as I believe it will kill them. There are supposedly 2, as we don't even know if a JOAT is in play, let alone used their ability. ##Vote deconduo WHY BC? WHY WHY WHY? There is absolutely NO REASON for this as scum. Kill him kita, FOR THE CHILDREN Your going to try that wifom nonsense? It builds credibility for you side. Decon shoots you, gets painted as sk and lives longer than he should since town will "force him" to help them. Mafia know sk is still alive and with the cpr doctor dead will spend more time offing townies than mafia. Its a clever ploy that could have worked really if you knew how to execute it. Well, to give you some love, that idea sounds neat, but i don't think I understood what you just said? If you can't understand how to "confirm" one of your own team and give them a free pass to live, yet you think an entire mafia team would bus one player (while all are insanely obvious about their alignment) then you sir have yet to learn my style of play. As town I am honest, I analyze and I don't beat around the bush. I pinned you guys, and easily did so. Did I do all the work? no Did I kick you out of hiding? yes Did I push an sk out of hiding? yes Did I pick out pig, halpo and you? Yes. Did I figure out decon's alignment based on a lynch? Yes (guess what everyone still thought he was sk then) Have you been active till called out? No Have you been helpful at all this game? No Have you lied this game? yes Have you done your best to bus the most pro town player? Yes Seriously dude, sit down. You should have bussed me day 2, and now you and your cronies are pissed they didn't think to off me earlier and hope town would do it for you. You are still hoping town will do it for you, since you flipping red like we both know you will confirms me, which scares the crap out of you, as you flipping red gives your entire team up, and lets me find the sk for the town. | ||
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On January 20 2011 09:13 bumatlarge wrote: Show nested quote + On January 20 2011 09:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 20 2011 09:04 bumatlarge wrote: AW SHIT LOOK AT ME IM RETARDED you really are. Also for someone who knows only the cpr is required to win, why was I the first to really point that out? Why am I the only one analyzing people all game. Why is it that you only contribute when called out, why do you actively lie, why do you actively misinterpret facts, why for someone with all your experience (played as long as I have) are you making so many rookie mistakes? Seriously dude, sit down and see how the shots come out. Both your mafia team and my town team need massive luck to win. All these posts are doing now is trying to convince the sk which route he will take for his easiest win. I DO NOT ACTIVELY LIE. Each time is a genuine mistake, why can't you understand! I just need town to win. Are you an SK? oooh let me check my neat little rolecheck. As soon as I get it from Ace. Genuine mistakes? Sure once maybe, twice possibly? Anything past that at with your experience is a clear indicator of your alignment, you know better. I do get you are desperate to live, you need to live for mafia to win. It really does come down to who kita believes. If he shoots me, hes mafia mvp, if he shoots you, hes town hero. Its a tough choice for him. However, when the overwhelming majority can see you and your team for what they are now, he should be making the right choice tonight. | ||
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On January 20 2011 09:17 bumatlarge wrote: Wait, you if you are SK? ... then who was phone? + Show Spoiler + The real CPR is hiding, 50% on pig, but it could be someone else... since I'm going to die anyway, it would be better for town to figure it out. BC cares not to get hit, because then kita can lynch his SKness. Pretty slick BC, but my sacrifice for town will not be in rofl, now your pinning me on sk? not just red, now sk? Awesome, flip flop more. IF i was sk, I'd never made a plan to rape you guys, why? I could off you at night myself. Keep you thinking you won and just own you. Sorry dude, but now your just running out of steam of things to say. If your down to being this desperate just give it up. | ||
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On January 20 2011 09:32 bumatlarge wrote: Show nested quote + On January 20 2011 09:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 20 2011 09:17 bumatlarge wrote: Wait, you if you are SK? ... then who was phone? + Show Spoiler + The real CPR is hiding, 50% on pig, but it could be someone else... since I'm going to die anyway, it would be better for town to figure it out. BC cares not to get hit, because then kita can lynch his SKness. Pretty slick BC, but my sacrifice for town will not be in rofl, now your pinning me on sk? not just red, now sk? Awesome, flip flop more. IF i was sk, I'd never made a plan to rape you guys, why? I could off you at night myself. Keep you thinking you won and just own you. Sorry dude, but now your just running out of steam of things to say. If your down to being this desperate just give it up. Woah touchy spot. K ill back off, you are just regular CPR mafia with 2kp. I mean, it could be someone else besides you mr SK. You wouldn't think Jimbo is the SK would you? Misder? Nah. Touchy? Shows your desperation. Can't convince people I'm red now your trying to co nvince them I'm sk? dude make up your mind. Seriously if you think I'm sk now, yet didnt tell kita to not waste his hit. You so smart | ||
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On January 20 2011 09:41 bumatlarge wrote: Show nested quote + On January 20 2011 09:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 20 2011 09:32 bumatlarge wrote: On January 20 2011 09:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 20 2011 09:17 bumatlarge wrote: Wait, you if you are SK? ... then who was phone? + Show Spoiler + The real CPR is hiding, 50% on pig, but it could be someone else... since I'm going to die anyway, it would be better for town to figure it out. BC cares not to get hit, because then kita can lynch his SKness. Pretty slick BC, but my sacrifice for town will not be in rofl, now your pinning me on sk? not just red, now sk? Awesome, flip flop more. IF i was sk, I'd never made a plan to rape you guys, why? I could off you at night myself. Keep you thinking you won and just own you. Sorry dude, but now your just running out of steam of things to say. If your down to being this desperate just give it up. Woah touchy spot. K ill back off, you are just regular CPR mafia with 2kp. I mean, it could be someone else besides you mr SK. You wouldn't think Jimbo is the SK would you? Misder? Nah. Touchy? Shows your desperation. Can't convince people I'm red now your trying to co nvince them I'm sk? dude make up your mind. Seriously if you think I'm sk now, yet didnt tell kita to not waste his hit. You so smart Im obviously not convincing many people if you are still alive. I mean kita did already try to kill you. So maybe he thinks something but I don't really understand your abrasiveness in this department. In all the other points I say you are red, you attempt to refute it with reasons why you are not. Perhaps you are not red, as there are some flaws in my argument. But when I say you are SK, you say, "I am not SK" and that's it. Tell us why you are not SK? My play already dictates why I'm not, and my actions speak for themselves. Kita shooting me? wouldn't care. Why would I give the town the entire red list as SK? I need them to flounder a little bit and spend time looking for you and not me. I wouldn't stick my neck out quite as far as I am, as that would get me noticed and potentially offed (like your trying to do now, as kita has tried). Should I continue? The absurdness of your claim at this point is why I don't bother to defend it. You should have attempted this a game day earlier, maybe then you could have pulled it off. | ||
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On January 20 2011 11:05 Pigsquirrel wrote: Show nested quote + On January 20 2011 09:54 bumatlarge wrote: On January 20 2011 09:53 JimboSilvers wrote: Its obvious bumatlarge is trolling the thread. Just ignore him, keke? The discussion of SK is a legitimate discussion. Please do not derail the thread. lol. Let the flame war begin! http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1907543 | ||
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On January 20 2011 11:05 Ace wrote: Day 5 bumatlarge, Scum CPR Doctor has been killed kitaman27, Pro Town Vigilante has been killed PigSquirrel, Scum Prince of Darkness has been killed With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch. Day 5 ends in 48 hours @ 9PM ET/ 11KST Friday January 21 Fucking wrecked bum | ||
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On January 20 2011 11:18 Kenpachi wrote: I salute you Kita ##vote halpopaithan psst. Who was hit last night? Kita's hit went through, SK's hit went through, and CPR or mafia hit didnt go through means our bulletproof took a hit, or the sk did | ||
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On January 20 2011 13:16 Kenpachi wrote: i love you bout time -_- | ||
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On January 20 2011 13:23 Beneather wrote: Yeah! Woo ! We're on a role Town can win thiss WOOOO! (: So are we hitting Deconduo next? Yes. once decon is gone we have 2 chances to off the sk. Easier to off him with less people though. | ||
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Eii Kenpachi Misder. Aidnai You 4 are the 4 "confirmed town" Myself, jimbo, and beneather. 1 of us 3 is the sk. Decon is red. OF the three of us on the sk list. Jimbo, as much as I love the guy for being awesome this game, best fits the profile of sk. However I am not sure on this, its just a gut instinct. When the night post hits, I expect to be dead, so good luck you guys. Off decon, then its a game of finding the sk. Remember, if it is jimbo, it takes two days to lynch him if his vet claim is real! | ||
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On January 20 2011 13:24 Kenpachi wrote: our target is SK. deconduo has no chance alone LOL NO, we kill decon. We have to drop kp down to 1. IF we fail hit sk tommorrow we lose. Off mafia first, sk next. | ||
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On January 20 2011 13:27 Beneather wrote: How many scum are left? & I think that aidnai should be lynched he saved haplo @ night 1. -_- Aidnai is not sk. SK hit shot halpo and chances of aidnai being the second sk and saving an sk target seems well, unlikely. | ||
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On January 21 2011 02:45 aidnai wrote: I appreciated your efforts Bum. I really really appreciated them. Hmm... I should be lynched for saving haplo, at least he wasn't the cpr doc though... Good work SK, and Kita, I would have done the same thing. Rofl, I think I would have shot BC twice as well. He's such a bully :p I kinda have to be. I honestly was trying not to be so rough at first, but once kita shot me the first time I just flipped. I say this as in any other game the way I'm posting would get me a shot square between the eyes from the mafia. In this game instead I had to dodge a town vig shot, and hope mafia didn't off me. I think you can imagine the level of frustration I was going through. | ||
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On January 21 2011 03:55 aidnai wrote: Yeah, the plan made sense. Regardless of who Kita wanted to kill, cubed really should have blocked Pig... I should have pushed that a lot harder than I did, but I'm surprised mafia had the balls to use POD when the plan was to block pigsquirrel... Realistically though, you have to admit it is quite weird for you to still be alive on, what is this, day 5? as a vanilla town who has hunted down the entire red team and at least one SK? bunch of newbs, they shoulda killed you a LONG time ago lol. shoulda woulda coulda One sk left to analyze, and the players left he could be in is well, annoying to analyze -_- | ||
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On January 21 2011 04:12 zeks wrote: ahh BC so good. we were too overconfident in our ability to lynch you later shoulda just shot me. | ||
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On January 21 2011 11:33 Kenpachi wrote: woah 1 died Deconduo must have hit beneather or the SK. ##vote deconduo pretty clear sk hit beneather. Mafia hit can't kill the bulletproof | ||
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On January 21 2011 13:41 Foolishness wrote: So I've been half following this whole game. Everytime I look at the list of players dead, everyone on the list is either blue or green (LSB exception of course). So without really reading it, I think to myself "wow no reds have died yet, it's all townies", since none of the players are red in color. Now I just realize that 5 mafia have died x.x You can imagine my confusion because it's like..."hmm there are 7 people alive, and 5 are mafia...why is this game still going on??" I fail hard. x.x wrecked -_- | ||
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Fuck yeah, I was right, fucking A. Only red I missed was zeks whom jimbo killed very quickly. As for town, you guys got extremeeeeeeely lucky to be in the game this long. Had kita's shot gone through the only person who had the mafia pinned as the sk, who with effort most likely still would have won this game. Now as for the town as a whole, I will go into more detail later but I have to say this. You guys blew. You followed me in the end, but you guys were screwed had I not stepped up. TL towns have to analyze behaviour not spend time talkiiing about roles. Roles don't prove alignment. If you will notice the only time I spent any serious time on roles was differentiating between bum and halpo on who had parity and who had cpr. However back to the original point. A veteran player should not be required to win mafia games for town. You guys were blindly following bad plans, following scummy as hell players, and even with me stepping up key town players needed to ensure a 100% town win were using their hit wrong. Anyone go back to night 3 when I had my double roleblock plan and tell me what they think would happen now. Bum would have died, PoD roleblocked, parity blocked. Cpr would have been dead then, dropping kp. I believe kita/amber/cube would be dead. But, they died stopping mafia kp as well as letting us lynch pod without a second night. then its cleaning up and offing the sk.would have given the extra day needed for town to survive. | ||
BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
If you guys had opted to be a bit more out in the open you potentially could have stopped me from pushing you all to death, and managed to instead get me or jimbo lynched by town. As for you jimbo, you just need to learn how to make yourself really known in the thread and push your analysis. Had you been able to hit a level of thread presence that everyone would listen to you would have owned this very quickly. Just need a bit of practice at it and you will get there. | ||
BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
SK’s. I will cover these guys first as both played a much better play than most of the town. LSB He was a man with a plan. One that centered around garning roles. Now, he took advantage of the fact he posted his plan pre game. He pushed through it with regardless as most of the player base didn’t see anything wrong with it. It also created a list that made it much harder to randomly pick a role as it remained as a general guideline regardless of how the game. This made it a lot easier not only to figure out what role someone had, but made it also very decent in how to help figure out potential mafia/sk candidates based on who didn’t follow the plan when pressured. His problem this game was that he continued on this route in a game where someone who could catch him quickly did so. Had he pushed this plan while I/any other vet was not in the / had another sk who was concentrated on just finding the reds, he would have gone much farther into the game. He had situated himself as a defacto leader until he was killed as was pretty well free to romp while he was so. Overall he made a ballsy play that backfired. However with the rapid success it was having until I stepped in, he potentially could have won, or at least lived much longer into the game. JimboSilvers Some of the most solid play I have seen in I don’t know how long. His analysis was on, his shots were very standard sk, and he managed to stay off radars most of the game. Everyone who was town this game should go back and check out his play. With solid thread presence he would have dominated this game from start to finish without issues. His hiding his politician role was genius. His only few slipups that put him on my radar were so wifom I couldn’t even justify using them. He breadcrumbed his shots on both zeks and bum + his claim of vet was something I kept as a reaffirmation I was right on my gut shot. However, he managed to stay pretty well off my radar long enough to survive to a point in the game he couldn’t lose in. Kudos. The Mafia You guys did a spectacularly set of bad plays which is what put you on not just my radar, but also on Jimbo’s. I am not sure If I should at this point however berate you or praise you for managing to still appear mostly legit to 90% of the town. As such I will only really cover the few huge mistakes. Decon should never have claimed sk. Period. When he was found out as anti town based off his lying of his role he should have day vigi’d someone who could analyze his team. Bum’s “trick” of having decon reveal his role was a good cover, but decon should have used it to distance himself from his team as much as possible and embraced the role. Secondly, by claiming sk, and then day vigiing lsb (who flipped sk) town thought it only had to find mafia. This took their attention away from the other sk for a bit which is something you guys needed early on. Second mistake, decon confirming he shot fishball. It instantly linked fish as recruited, as well as revealing decon as a liar. This allowed a steady progression through the thread which helped net his team. Shooting the sk twice. You guys should have pinned both me and jimbo as sk. When you shot him once and failed, you should have pinned him as sk then shot me. His living that shot should have confirmed to you guys what he was which would have left you able to kill me and potentially save yourselves a day or two longer (doubtful but possible). The Town One of the worst showings I have seen period. Had I not been playing you guys would have been steamrolled, period. This is something I have noticed as a reoccurring problem in a few recent games. I will start be listing those problems. Concentrating on roles not alignment Spending too much time talking about things that don’t matter Waiting on roles to do the heavy lifting. These are three of the largest reoccurring problems. I really hope some of you re-read this game and watch my play. I was slightly more foul mannered than I should have been, but I was a vanilla townie who spent the game analyzing. I didn’t need a role to snag people, I avoided trying to permiate useless topics, and did not expect roles to do much heavy lifting. I did have a plan that would have won it for the town, but we lost that day since it wasn’t followed. Regardless. In this setup, someones role means nothing. Town, mafia, or SK could be behind that role. Everyone also uses roles differently. Each player follows instincts on who should be protected, shot, investigated, etc.. You cannot reasonably hold someone accountable for a role use if there was a logical reason behind the action. Instead watch someone’s behaviour. If you see someone who is acting anti town in thread, and then claims vig later, chances are you snagged a mafia or sk, however knowing he’s a vig ahead of time then him shooting someone who flips green doesn’t make him red, it just gives the mafia/sk a way to get someone from the town lynched. Talking about things that don’t matter. Again, centering around blues doing what, making town circles, plans that no one agrees with, etc… If you center on a topic that is too general, anyone can weigh in and appear to be “contributing” while just easily blending into a crowd. If you want to discuss these things try to do something along the lines of: Make medic lists. People will discuss why so and so is on it and why others aren’t. It FoS people potentially and gets people talking on a specific topic where real opinions that can be read matter. It also makes mafia hits slightly harder. DT lists. Same general idea as medic lists. Talking about circles is usually bad form unless you are forming multiple thought circles. Don’t center around roles, and try not to link yourself to your circle in thread to avoid being read. Blues doing the heavy lifting. If town’s expect the lone dt, or lone vig, or whatever other blue to save their ass, they are going to lose many times. The game is made up predominately of vanilla townies. The heavy lifting has to be done by them. Be it analyzing clues, behavioural analysis, pm infiltration, etc… Most of the work is done by greens. One dt can only check so many people, a vig can only kill 1 person, etc… You guys keep thinking you guys are designed to take hits and buy time but in reality that’s the vets job, that’s the hatters job. Your job is to analyze and spot mafia. It may take time to learn this skill but its your job. You guys also have the highest voting power in the game, use it. Now, I am going to be mostly respectful and not ream the players in this specific game but I want you guys to go back and re-read the thread to see where you went wrong. Kitaman, Misder, Cube. Now, I say this for one clear reason. Each of you made actions that cost the town the game. Kitaman shooting me twice/not following a plan that would have won the game , cube not rbing the PoD like he was supposed. Misder for not following the last will of myself. If I net you that many anti town and say that “one of these 3 players is the last sk” and 2 are dead. Don’t analyze the hell out of a player on a confirmed list, just vote for the suspect. If you spend too much time analyzing another player the sk has just won the game. You should have hammered the vote before jimbo could have bought a vote. I am more than happy for any newer player having questions to answer them If I am capable, but please look at this game and follow both my play, as well as jimbo’s to see what you as a town are capable of doing and ask the players who have been playing for years on how to go about it. Once you learn the games I think will become much more enjoyable for you all, and will create many interesting games. I think we are all getting tired of seeing an inactive mafia sitting back and winning while doing nothing to deserve the win. | ||
BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On January 24 2011 17:09 JimboSilvers wrote: And of course superb play by bloodycobbler. No way could I have put up with what you did as town without getting pissed and flaming excessively or something - if i would even have the time in the first place to post enough to outshout everyone else. This is why I'm probably not going to play for awhile - scum is no fun if you can win by lurking and having to put up with all this stupidity and the town's tendency to focus on the absolute wrong things and people, as addressed above, is not enjoyable. I almost rage quit the entire fucking game after kita shot me the first time, and the second time. One of my comments after both cases was "town does not deserve to win" which in part played its downfall as I didn't even bother looking for the second sk until the reds were dead. I had a suspicion of who it was but once town started talking about the second sk I see posts from misder saying "i think bc is sk" and the like and I rage a bit inside. This game was incredibly hard to play purely because both mafia and town didn't deserve to win. Had you not won jimbo I would have been incredibly angry as you played your role and position so well and didn't just idle your way to victory which could have worked as well. | ||
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