Team Mini Mafia III BCE - Page 2

LSB

United States5171 Posts

January 04 2011 17:26 GMT

#159

On January 04 2011 17:29 orgolove wrote:
I'm not going to post any votes until there's something more concrete to go on.

You don't just 'wait' for concrete posts. People should be trying to make concrete posts.

LSB

United States5171 Posts

January 04 2011 19:53 GMT

#167

Current Votes:

Team 9: Flamewheel/Orgolove - 1
Kavdragon

Team 2: TheMango/Gmarshal/Foolishness
Orgolove
Aidani

It would really suck if everyone got modkilled and Orgo/Aidani were actually mafia.

LSB

United States5171 Posts

January 04 2011 23:26 GMT

#181

On January 03 2011 15:20 Ace wrote:
What makes you think we won't find Scum on Day 1?

Discourages Day 1 Discussion on Inactives

On January 05 2011 01:43 Ace wrote:
You should just vote for whoever you think will not help you win the game.

Suggesting we shouldn't even scumhunt

On January 05 2011 02:31 Ace wrote:
Yes it's still killing a townie but it gets you closer to your win condition. Doing it later in the game has major consequences but it's Day 1 and I don't see people trying to really do much.

Alas I can't vote. Oh well.

See above, continues to discourage actual discussion or scumhunting. Insteads supports killing off people who don't matter

On January 05 2011 08:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
##Vote Team 9
sorry forgot formatting

Randomly comes in and votes

LSB

United States5171 Posts

January 04 2011 23:34 GMT

#183

aidnai, can you yell for your brother to get on and vote Meapak?

(would that count as PMing?)

LSB

United States5171 Posts

January 04 2011 23:52 GMT

#185

Na, I was just wondering if you guys were right next to each other or something.

I wouldn't call Meapak's post a reason. I'd called it dodging a modkill.

As for Ace, he really did kill early day 1 discussion and hasn't been helpful at all.

LSB

United States5171 Posts

January 05 2011 01:14 GMT

#201

On January 05 2011 09:51 Ace wrote:
LSB where did I say lets not scumhunt? Are you sure you aren't reading my posts for what you want to see over what is actually there?

Lets see what you suggested to do today

1. Not discuss lynching inactives.
This is a great way to kill discussion. You've played many games and you know that the inactive talk, although repetitive, is a way to get people to start discussing things.

2. To kill someone who plays poorly
You're suggesting that we should just kill someone who you know won't help the town win.
Firstly, why is this different from killing an inactive? Which you so easily dismissed
Secondly, what does killing someone because of meta considerations have to do with scum hunting?

LSB

United States5171 Posts

January 05 2011 01:35 GMT

#205

On January 05 2011 10:21 Ace wrote:
How does "What makes you think we won't find Scum on Day 1?" = being Scummy? Yea I don't want to discuss lynching inactives. Doesn't make me scum just because I don't want to do what you want. Your analysis is so bad it seems as if you're trying to force yourself to find something to nitpick at here.

You even blamed me for killing discussion when let's face it - it was dead before I posted and dead after. You are really trying to push for something that didn't happen. So I should just go your route and come to the conclusion that you must be Scum because your analysis is terrible.

The discussion was not dead. It was just beginning. And the reason why it was dead afterwards was that people like you were reluctant to discuss anything

If my analysis and motives were so terrible, why is the majority of discussion based off of what I've been doing/saying?
I could have just handed the baton to Kavdragon and say "Hey, I don't have to play, I'll just advise". But instead I've actually tried to do stuff.

Show nested quote +

Yes, kill people who we know are terrible. What's the problem? It's different from killing an inactive because one of them is bad and won't help you win no matter what, the other is in active. You didn't really need me to explain that did you?

So you'd rather kill an active than an inactive?

Meta considerations come into play here because YOU want to kill in actives. Correct? So if orgolove says he's busy but doesn't have a history of being in active then hey - he really might be busy. Don't kill him just yet.

Clear things up right now.
I'm suggesting we should kill an inactive.
You are suggesting we should kill someone who plays scummy and has a history of not helping the town.

Right now Meapak isn't active, and you aren't much of a help. You team falls under the inactive category.
Who do you suggest that we should kill that plays scummy?

LSB

United States5171 Posts

January 05 2011 02:33 GMT

#208

Current Votes:

Team 9: Flamewheel/Orgolove - 1
Meapak_Ziphh
Nemesis

Team 3: Beneather/BloodyC0bbler - 3.5
Gmarshal (.5)
Deconduo
Aidnai
Subversion

Team 5: Meapak_Ziphh/Ace -1
Kavdragon

LSB

United States5171 Posts

January 05 2011 02:34 GMT

#209

Well, if TheMango doesn't vote soon, he's going to get modkilled, so I don't think it's going to be that big of an issue if they are mafia.

On the other hand, Ace is such an interesting candidate.

LSB

United States5171 Posts

January 05 2011 03:06 GMT

#215

Kingjames. So are you fingering Subversion?

Well, day is over

LSB

United States5171 Posts

January 05 2011 04:15 GMT

#230

On January 05 2011 12:41 kingjames01 wrote:

Show nested quote +

To be honest, I think Kavdragon is Red and, by association, you.

That still doesn't awnser the question.

Your comments on Beneather are made assuming that Subversion should be distrusted.
Can you explain why?

LSB

United States5171 Posts

January 05 2011 17:13 GMT

#244

On January 05 2011 23:02 orgolove wrote:
I apologize - my schedule is really off right now.

I promise I'll be here more often.

Gmarshal (.5)
Deconduo
Aidnai
Subversion

Huh - wait a minute - town had nothing to go on. Why did you guys vote?

Why didn't you vote?

On January 06 2011 00:34 TheMango wrote:

Show nested quote +

I think it was the whole 'vote for the inactives' strategy that LSB brought up, since there wasn't much else to go by. (aka the same strategy we are currently using to poor effect in the other mafia game). I would have voted along with my team mate Gmarshal, but I was busy yesterday and missed the vote t.t.

Not sure how different it is, but in the games I play in real life, if we dont have a clear suspect, we usually pass on voting, since in the beginning of the game the chances of voting off a town sided role is much higher. So my question is, is voting off the inactives early a more viable strategy in this type of game, or is the strategy flawed?

Well, remember, we can't abstain. So in reality, the vote was a vote of confidence for Ace.
Since we only had one scum candidate, it was either vote for Ace because you think he's scum. Or don't vote for Ace and try to redirect the lynch.

On January 06 2011 01:10 orgolove wrote:
>>>> Vote for inactives strategy is... not beneficial at all for the town, to say the least. The reds can subtly direct to whoever they would know is not a red and yet inactive. :/ We as town have no information, and reds can use that to lynch a green. If we don't have any information, pressuring is fine.. but just hitting someone because they're inactive is not a good strategy at all. This is why I also like the mayor idea for the first day, as it gives a way for town to get useful info on day 1...

Great Idea about pressuring someone. Have you been doing this?

LSB

United States5171 Posts

January 05 2011 20:31 GMT

#252

On January 06 2011 05:06 TheMango wrote:
well, I think those advocating silence during the night

Umm... What do you mean by this?

Are you saying that we shouldn't try to generate activity during the night?
Are you implying that other people have advocated this position?

LSB

United States5171 Posts

January 05 2011 20:32 GMT

#253

On January 06 2011 05:31 TheMango wrote:
the only point of discussing during nighttime is to help our blues make their decisions, and without knowing the setup, you run a serious risk of helping scum team (on who they will kill/avoid killing due to possible medic save, and a possible wasted DT check due to roleblocker.) At least that's my take on it, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Can't we scumhunt, or discuss the greenness/redness of Ace's team.

Speaking of which, what is your opinion of Ace?

LSB

United States5171 Posts

January 05 2011 20:44 GMT

#257

On January 06 2011 05:01 Kavdragon wrote:
Persons that have been FoS'd
Kavdragon (By KJ. Would like to hear more on this)
Nemesis (By Aidnai. Would like to hear a better reason than "I got bad feelings from him")\
Orgolove (By Kavdragon. Explination/analysis to come.)

Besides my push against Ace. (Ace you still have to answer my questions!) I don't believe that there is anything substantial in the three points.

Obviously Kavdragon is town aligned.

Nemesis has about 2-3 posts talking about lynching inactives. Although this does indeed seem like lurking, Nemesis isn't the only one doing this, and I'm also intrested in Aidnai's FOS

Orgolove- The thing with Orgolove is that Day 1 he literally only had one post, and after the lynch accused others of making an uninformed lynch.
On the other hand, from what I glanced at his play in Mafia XXXV (Note, I don't know his alignment), it seems very similar.