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On December 01 2010 11:54 kingjames01 wrote: If this is a hint for EVERY role, then we will stand to benefit if we decipher this statement. I tried comparing it to my role PM and I can't see any patterns. Any other ideas? Not worth the time or effort. I'm all for lynching you because you think it would be useful to spend time decipering every role in the game. That will take time away from scum hunting. Not useful. | ||
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On December 02 2010 01:46 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't see why you are so against discussing blue roles. It is necessary for town to gather all the information we can. Right now, the only information we can get is through speculation of these clues, that is all Dr.H has given us. It's faulty discussion. We have no proof about any role in the game. What is my role? My role is the "God." I have the power to decide what is restricted during the day phase of each day, and to possibly change it. Tell me you would have guessed that as a role. | ||
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On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote: opz already has a "vote" on aidnai (through ROL) so you technically need to unvote first. also, there are 14 votes up and the day isnt over, so whoever hasnt voted must be "the hammer" its glasse. glasse is the hammer. which is lol because of what happened with him and his profile clues in haunted ;D but glasse is teh hammer. also i have changed my mind about orgolove. the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. so orgolove for now is off my hook. i still like the fishball kill though for reasons iterated previously Voting rules: 1. Voting is to be done in this thread. 2. Please vote in the following format, to make it easier for everyone to read: [Vote]##Korynne. While the bolding in itself is not necessarily needed, it makes it easier on everybody's eyes. Please bold. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update votes whenever I get the chance. 3. You cannot autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon. 4. You may not vote for yourself. Technically, no. I've never had to "unvote." And I never have "Unvoted" (except maybe once in Sengoku). I will probably be voting South, to be honest. Actually, I will be. He's posted 4 times. He isn't here to even discuss, and South knows how to play. I don't like the blue role discussion, because it's meaningless. You can guess all day long, but don't make that the center of discussion. We should be pressuring folks. Checking this later. How long is the day going to be? I didn't see when it started/ends. Lol, my bad guys. Damn though, I gotta go get this home work fucking done, so I'll be around/afk/checking periodically. | ||
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On December 01 2010 07:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I am really lazy to actually do an analysis but its a bunch of classic mafia tells. I will show you. A lot of mafia in thread to feign activity pose questions relating to the rules of the thread, it shows activity and is kind of constructive. The biggest thing though is saying how its impossible/hard for town. Its like hes trying to show hes part of the town, I think its generally done subconsciously by mafia because it seems like the right thing to say when it only seems like a townie thing to say from a mafia perspective. I know I have done that tell before in games, but have not been called out on it. Actually in insane mafia I did it when I attacked the legitimacy of DrH claiming he was "100% town" when that guilty medic died who if he protects mafia dies. I attacked the role and the rules, not him or his claim. Fluff post, "I hope I don't get killed night one again" is something the mafia says a lot, then the next day "yay I am not dead" you know why? Because they were killing people the night before lawl. Its just classic zero content posting that paints a red picture. I like to call this the grand plan post, its the one I actually quoted while voting for him. Its basically "Alright guys we need to do this that and whatever the fuck else to do to win. Point A Point B Point C Remember behavioral analysis is important yadayada yada. So basically you made a huge post saying nothing except telling us to be productive? Mafia players like to do this because it makes it look like they are focusing on the big picture for the town, even though they are virtually saying nothing. In a normal game this is less of a tell on day one, but in a crazy game like this there is ALWAYS more to talk about then some stupid "grand plan" in this game he could talk about the weird day post and strange rules, his suspicions, then go into his rant, but he just says nothing. Rehashing old points kind of, focus on the previous posts. Aidnai is the best candidate right now if not for any other reason than because I said so. | ||
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On December 01 2010 12:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil Is anyone around. I would like to bounce some ideas around in the thread. Kinda got me thinking.... | ||
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"13. Node Scolds Coag for not just stepping up and running a town circle. Comes up with some role ideas. Comes up with some ideas how other roles work, after people are explaining already. Then spams. And becomes inactive. Makes fun at Fishball's epic attempt." Fishball wanted to be killed by someone, and he figured the mafia would jump a later bandwagon. Hence is wanting of an early death. I dunno. Anyway, I'm resupporting aidinai, but I'm taking another look at Ghrur. Your thoughts on him? He was going after Decoundo, who now we know was for sure town, after a run of votes had already occurred. Not too certain, but kinda suspicious of him. | ||
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On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote: Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? I said kinda, and why wouldn't a mafia go after him so hard? He had arguably a decent amount of scummy posts day one, and then you apologized crazily. You laughed he used a role wrongly. I dunno....seems cockily teasing to me. You been rather jocular all game actually, besides your posts with him. Your last posts have been pretty spammy, and not to mention you haven't done anything since posting analysis on Decoundo. Dr. H didn't post the final vote counts in the last day post, which is kinda messing with me. Aidnai stopped posting too. Jcarl needs to explain why lynching him would be bad for the town. If its bad for the town, then we don't want to do it, but how would not telling us why benefit the mafia. Don't have much done on Annul, his arguments with KJ scrambled my brains a little, but it was completely irrelevant. And why couldn't Aeres vote fishball either. Peculiar. | ||
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On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote: Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? In addition, I'm more interested in towniness being proven now. We kinda need it. Fishball Priest Coagulation Whisperer 3. ghrur barundar Radar Tech 5. Orgolove Veteran 6. Aidnai 7. ~OpZ~ Innocent Child 8. jcarlsoniv 9. annul deconduo LSB Hobo 12. kingjames01 13. Node SouthRawrea Psychic 15. Aeres KingJames needs to go back to scum hunting himself, but I'm more interested in Aidnai claiming. He said he would claim day two? Did I miss it too? Me and Oroglove are confirmed. This should be pretty simple to figure out. | ||
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On December 06 2010 06:13 jcarlsoniv wrote: In past games... So he presents points that he knows will get you to react a certain way...so? He is a good scumhunter. You saying that he keeps bringing up the bad blood between you though is complete crap, because YOU are the one who is doing it to stir up trouble. But they can't stop you from using your DT skills? You can be roleblocked all the same. It wouldn't stop the kill from happening, but I don't want to give you the opportunity to run home to your mafia buddies tonight and aid in the kill. Interesting that you think there is a role blocker, yet, iirc I don't remember there ever being mention of someone being role blocked....Very Noteworthy.... As for now....Fuck it, I'll bite KJ. If you made that whole shit up, I will take my hat off to you good sir. (Annul, his post was pretty too....) ##Vote Annul | ||
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And Aidnai. You promised to roleclaim. That's why. I don't care whats up with that, it should still come out. I don't CARE about what roles you have. We have numbers of how many roles exist. Almost all blue. Mass roleclaim, pop pop pop shit that matches up. Everyone wants to be all protective and shit. Sheesh. Cut some losses. | ||
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On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote: opz already has a "vote" on aidnai (through ROL) so you technically need to unvote first. also, there are 14 votes up and the day isnt over, so whoever hasnt voted must be "the hammer" its glasse. glasse is the hammer. which is lol because of what happened with him and his profile clues in haunted ;D but glasse is teh hammer. also i have changed my mind about orgolove. the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. so orgolove for now is off my hook. i still like the fishball kill though for reasons iterated previously My bad, one post. Where he reminds me that I need to "unvote" Aidnai.... Thaaaaanks. | ||
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On December 07 2010 05:55 kingjames01 wrote: ~OpZ~, I followed your lead and I have waded through all of annul's posts. I compiled them into a single list and looked through them for players who he supports/opposes/avoids. Here they all are: + Show Spoiler + On November 29 2010 22:51 annul wrote: /in if allowed, sure On November 30 2010 09:19 annul wrote: ok hi so like, the "spirit" is probably a ghost, in haunted ghosts were medics... there are lovers in the game children are... http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Innocent_Child (so maybe the variation is in play) black hood... vig? doctor thats 6. so 6 more to go On November 30 2010 12:55 annul wrote: btw it is illegal to claim on day 1 ROL On November 30 2010 12:37 annul wrote: i must have missed it but where did drh say no PMs? On November 30 2010 13:10 annul wrote: only time "nothing can be done" is today (if you are right on the role that is), and we cant roleclaim today On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote: uh orgolove could just be changing his vote as a way to get more people onto fishball and off of ROL... i mean without a "vote changer" role existing. On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote: and lol KJ, good to see you and i finally agree that hostile attacks have no place in mafia games On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote: see that is the problem, you do not need to "unnerve" anyone into anything. this is a competitive game yes, but use your competition to win people over on argumentation, not insults, etc. all i am saying is that if you agree with that, finally, then good, we can continue without problems but i do find it very funny, the above post of yours. timely, indeed. at least you dont condone it IRL, that is good. PS not trying to "get the last word" - only commend you for your sudden change of heart in playstyle On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote: there is a big difference between "that argument is bad because X" and "you make bad arguments" big big difference On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote: you definitely do not make the first type of statement; or at least you didnt, to me, in sengoku.. but if you dont want to be addressed, then sure, ill stop addressing you. i will grant you the cessation of attack that you did not grant me. <3 so okay, back to this game, did nobody catch what i said about orgolove? maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role, to put more peeps onto fishball and off of ROL (or maybe even coag, if he's bussing)? On December 01 2010 06:51 annul wrote: to be fair i had no idea you were even signed up for this game, i would have went /out had i known. i dont want to play with you either. it seems that all you are going to do is fight me in every single game we play. no matter what. you were wrong about me in sengoku and so it makes me think that your sole intention is to attack me regardless, whatever color you think i am or whatever color i actually am. so believe me the sentiment is mirrored from my perspective as well. On December 01 2010 09:01 annul wrote: so explain to me why we have gotten off of fishball? look at the post i made when i voted him, when i quoted his post and showed the two blatant contradictory ideas. then look at orgolove. he either 1. is bussing fishball or 2. someone actually used that power and wants to save fishball, and the only logical use of this is a mafia use On December 01 2010 11:39 annul wrote: i think these clues mean that there is a role called "the hammer" that ends the day with the vote no matter what On December 01 2010 11:40 annul wrote: preacher probably refers to a priest role (bodyguard) On December 01 2010 15:29 annul wrote: wow drh says that he has hinted to all roles where is the vote redirection role hint? vote fishball, then vote orgolove tomorrow On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote: opz already has a "vote" on aidnai (through ROL) so you technically need to unvote first. also, there are 14 votes up and the day isnt over, so whoever hasnt voted must be "the hammer" its glasse. glasse is the hammer. which is lol because of what happened with him and his profile clues in haunted ;D but glasse is teh hammer. also i have changed my mind about orgolove. the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. so orgolove for now is off my hook. i still like the fishball kill though for reasons iterated previously On December 02 2010 02:37 annul wrote: hahahaha, AND the OMGUS with no other explanation whatsoever. seriously how is there a better target than this On December 02 2010 03:01 annul wrote: yeah, [almost] every single action anyone takes in these games has the implicit "i wanted to" attached to it. On December 02 2010 05:18 annul wrote: your playstyle is a joke ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING On December 02 2010 05:19 annul wrote: shame it isn't a physical dick measuring contest, because if it were, i'd always win. On December 02 2010 05:20 annul wrote: ps southrawrea is fine and all to lynch but really hit up fishball how can you let him go after this crap On December 02 2010 05:24 kingjames01 wrote: Are you trying to show us that you're good at deception and misinformation? On December 02 2010 05:45 annul wrote: the fishball issue is as follows: then, his OMGUS. then, the potential for mafia-controlled vote redirection. then, his lack of contribution whatsoever, even despite him saying "hell the game just started" yeah its been going on for a while - what has he done? a bunch of nothing On December 03 2010 02:58 annul wrote: "the hammer almost struck back" so that means the axe strikes early. On December 03 2010 06:05 annul wrote: hey peeps, allow me to interject the awesomeness of this game to advertise the fact that HARRY POTTER MAFIA is forming! it will go down once salem finishes. i really like the role list and setup for this one (i am biased of course) and it will be pwnage and awesome. go go play sign up lets rock this biiiitch <3 On December 03 2010 06:56 annul wrote: hey now im allowed to make garbage posts all the same as you do <3 On December 04 2010 04:54 annul wrote: um fishball claimed spirit. says he will get more powers when he dies. why arent we insta-voting him? On December 04 2010 04:55 annul wrote: three options: 1. he is mafia. good lynch 2. he is spirit. good lynch. 3. he is neither. not that good a lynch, but what are the odds he is #3? ##vote fishball On December 04 2010 04:59 annul wrote: he CLAIMED spirit. would a non-mafia, non-spirit claim spirit? On December 04 2010 05:05 annul wrote: mafia would be ridiiiiiiculously overpowered if they got the spirit role. our only way to kill mafia is by the town lynch (and maybe a vig role). On December 04 2010 05:05 annul wrote: coagulation was there a hint to a traitor role? On December 04 2010 05:09 annul wrote: ... how is that a hint to a traitor role? sounds like confirmation of the second lover to me. On December 04 2010 05:11 annul wrote: i missed it then. whatever, who would you rather us kill? opz? On December 04 2010 05:13 annul wrote: oh. well in that case, how would KILLING him make him town -> mafia? seems like he is already mafia then under that analysis On December 04 2010 05:14 annul wrote: but okay then. ##unvote fishball ##vote ~opz~ On December 04 2010 05:24 annul wrote: orgolove, you assume that it is a mafia role that nullifies the vote. i think it is a part of his ability. since he wants to be town lynched, it is a detriment to his ability to make it harder for him to be town lynched. remember the clue says "the SYSTEM is corrupt" in all 4 colors. makes me think its a neutral occurrence. or maybe, even, the first to get to 4 gets a vote taken off of them (as happened last time). On December 04 2010 05:35 annul wrote: ##unvote ~opz~ ##vote fishball i still think hes town and would benefit from lynch. On December 04 2010 05:36 annul wrote: Fishball: Orgolove, Kingjames01, jcarlsoniv barundar coagulation annul opz: aeres is this correct? On December 04 2010 06:31 annul wrote: KJ sure knows how to be pro at insults amirite On December 04 2010 07:39 annul wrote: is fish at 7 or 8? i.e., is it over, or is there still a chance to debate this lynch? On December 04 2010 09:19 annul wrote: well its over now, he has 8, anything happening now wont count now that its confirmed, i think fishball played ridiculously well. i think he survives this lynch with more power. i think he has been lying that he wont stay alive with new powers, so that the mafia keeps voting him. On December 04 2010 10:28 annul wrote: no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer. it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle. On December 04 2010 16:19 annul wrote: no i agree you just said night ends in 30 minutes like 2 hours ago On December 05 2010 03:35 annul wrote: maybe there is a night vig somewhere On December 05 2010 04:30 annul wrote: well we dont know who the night vig hit and who the mafia hit so maybe the mafia hit the tracker and the night vig took out coag or something though maybe the mafia controls the night vig On December 05 2010 16:23 annul wrote: let me ask you something ghrur just an immediate response, but for shit like, for example, "no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer. it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle." which i said in clarification of someone else making a false assumption... this is a "nothing" post to you. so, tell me, ghrur, what IS a "something" post? if you call this a nothing post then how can i even attempt to respond to your claim that 95% of my shit are "nothing posts"? and where is your analysis of KJ? he had a "pointless argument" all the same with me. why are you not calling him out on the bullshit too? maybe you and he are both mafia. in fact that makes sense, since he is now conveniently "going to tell you everything" and how you are now going to "protect him"... hmmmmm On December 05 2010 16:32 annul wrote: nothing nothing posting the inactives like 2 hours after game begins, as if it means something, and then a random vote out of nowhere with no logic or reason? k just as much "nothing" as my posts he claims are nothing posts nothing post admission of wrongness, cool, better than being called out for it later i guess nothing post, bandwagon follower nothing post admission of wrongness, see above "HEY LETS SCUM HUNT BUT UHHHHHH DON'T INCLUDE ME OK" also includes some pretty interesting stuff in paragraph 1, its as if you want to signal you know stuff but cant. mafia much? wifom as much "nothing" as some of mine nothing nothing this is pretty LOL to me. you leave a hint, because you intend the town to find it (otherwise why leave hints at all) but if you want town to find it, why not just be forthcoming with it? why risk mafia finding it and understanding it and not the town? maybe because you are mafia yourself? nothing im inactive but about to post an analysis on annul calling him out for supposedly providing nothing to the town, cool soooooooooooooooooooo yeah i can play this game too On December 06 2010 04:04 annul wrote: i only post my reaction of you after you go on offense against me. i dont go through the hassle of checking every single post of somebody and analyze them unless i have a reason to. On December 06 2010 04:12 annul wrote: next, KJ tries to use our argument as a vehicle to suspect i am mafia? he is just as guilty - if not more so - of any beef we have. he started the garbage up in sengoku and he continues the garbage here. so he uses this as a predicate to attack me? he is not the "insane detective". i am. and i know that node is a green. thats it, so why would i come out? waste of a DT really. but now the town wants to attack me and i need to save my ass. the ghrur/KJ connection is pretty obvious. i have one check remaining, then i run out of DT power. keep me alive and tonight i will return a verdict on ghrur. KJ is very good at writing a whole bunch of convincing shit while being utterly incorrect and misleading - i know this for a 100% fact now. i was on his ass forever and now hes taking an opportunity to lynch me because i hate him. im not the mafia - he is. and so is ghrur, probably. in the meanwhile because KJ is an obvious liar, ##vote kingjames01 On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote: i said i only had that information, not that that was all i have checked. think about it, two nights to check, one target, hmmmm maybe one of my checks is dead? LSB was my other check. of course i am asking for a reprieve, because i am not mafia, and now i know for sure that you are. is there any other time in the game that a player is going to ask for a reprieve other than when people are on their ass for day lynch? think about it. i hate you because you are ridiculously incendiary for no reason. your arguments are always very offensive, even if you deny this until the end. our fight in sengoku (which, by the way, your 50 pages of accusations turned out to be false, go figure)... our fighting here... all you do is cause problems. and ghrur conveniently overlooks the mutuality of it all. it really is interesting. my "proof" is who do you believe more? there are two competing claims. you claimed insane DT and called me out. i am the true insane DT. i really do not know why you did this, because when i do flip town, you die tomorrow. its a weird sacrifice that i do not understand. but nevertheless, it is true; i am town, and if he is saying otherwise, he must be mafia. also, you never showed "proof" either - you posted a chain of convenient situations that somehow makes you the insane DT. this is hilarious because now i know PRECISELY what you are capable of doing while red. any future games, i will trust you 0%. so if i die today, when i flip blue (green i guess in this game ;\), look at KJ and look next at ghrur. and if i dont die today, i will check ghrur out tonight. KJ has a history of making very long posts that sound great and look nice but ultimately are full of logical holes. do not let him win this time. On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote: and yes, i do run out of juice. when i am out of DT power i have other smaller things i can do. On December 06 2010 05:59 annul wrote: "ive been told" - what? it was KJ who is pulling this garbage out this time. he is mafia and lying and is targeting me, specifically, because of the reaction he knows i will have. yes, when i run out of juice i can do limited things. obviously i would say what they were if i didnt think it was a dumb idea to do so. presuming i do live i dont want people knowing what it is, because then they can possibly prevent it from happening. furthermore, "the free pass to kill who i want" is fallacious. IF i were mafia (which i am not), mafia is going to be able to kill tonight all the same... so people are gonna die tonight no matter what, why would killing me (or, in the actual case, any mafia to begin with) stop that from happening? On December 06 2010 06:38 annul wrote: i do not fear the roleblock, that is not what i talk about when i say that people can avoid my ability. assume i am mafia (i am not)... if you town lynch me today, you assume i cannot return to my mafia team and influence future actions? if i were mafia, i still win even if i am dead. i can still assist them with future night kill choices. or, you know, i could tell them today what i want to happen tonight, right? so really i demur that argument. but of course, am not mafia. KJ is. and as to jcarl, isnt it much more likely that i defend myself when i am called a red by a DT when i am in fact the DT and i KNOW he is lying? not just suspect, but KNOW? think about it On December 06 2010 08:39 annul wrote: 1. not giving you any more information. you are mafia, why would i tell you my thought processes? 2. it is as good a proof as anything you can produce. 3. hypnotist, as you claim it, is the same thing as an insane DT. you get to rolecheck someone at night and get the wrong information. this is an insane DT. dont try to argue like it isnt. does the town see what KJ does? i mean seriously this is ridic 4. i am an insane DT that has limited use and a minor set of abilities to choose from when i run out of these uses. as stated earlier, not going to explain to you (especially as you are mafia) what these minor abilities are. but nice try. On December 06 2010 14:28 annul wrote: i dont fully counter claim because it is 7-3 now and i am playing for endgame. i am going to assume mafia has 2 KP and one of their night 1 was blocked (maybe a delayed kill like poison in haunted?). if i die, KJ dies anyway, so the argument of "fully claim to take down a mafia" isnt gonna work, since he is going down tomorrow no matter what when i flip town. if i gave you the name of my role, then this will signal how to defeat my abilities. my role runs out of juice because that is how drh set up the role? i have never seen this role before, ever. so it is new. i have multiple things i can do at night but the DT-type ability is most potent, so i use it. i am sure there is somebody in the town who can help me defend myself. where are they? On December 06 2010 15:43 annul wrote: btw i actually thought it was 7-3, not 6-3, not like its some intentional deception when its obviously checkable on the OP (as i am pointed out to now) oh wow. if i die we lose, the game is over. the remaining players, the final voters need to think very very carefully about this lynch. when i die, assuming mafia has 2 KP, the game is over unless some medic save occurs. On December 06 2010 15:45 annul wrote: or we can lynch you and achieve the same effect, IF that is the effect it has on the KP. On December 06 2010 15:47 annul wrote: weeeeeell then. i fucking hate you KJ lol good luck scum! In all of these posts, he doesn't actually support anyone so I can't link him to any other possible mafia. However, he only attacks Fishball, myself and ghrur. So the fact that he doesn't actually attack someone is not enough for me to choose that player to check tonight. I have my suspicions for a possible mafia. I'm pretty sure that this player is Red based on posts and behaviour this game but we'll find out after the Night is over. I have to choose to check someone secretly so that the mafia can't ruin my plan. Also, I'm going to ask for protection from the Pharmacists. We need to keep the mafia guessing though, so randomly decide to protect yourself or me but don't reveal who you chose. That way they'll have a hard time deciding who to kill. Point is, Aidnai could of been nailed in the coffin had Annul changed his vote. | ||
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RoL... You called Aidnai too.....arghhhhhh Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu I'm so full of rage. | ||
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On December 08 2010 02:34 Coagulation wrote: KINGJAMES TRYING TO WIN THE POST GAME NOW QFT....... He just can't lose at ANYTHING. | ||
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Darn.
Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^
I'll be off for the next 9 hours. 
