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 Darn.WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. | ||
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Barundar RoL Jcarlsoniv annul Pandain (wut?) Well, might as well be bold. ##Vote RebirthofLegend | ||
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 Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ | ||
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Seems more like we switched alignments. >_> | ||
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On December 01 2010 05:06 Pandain wrote: ##Vote Ghrur Ghrur basically hasn't been contributing at all, yet mantains the illusion of such a thing. Very mafia tell imo. Furthormore tells everyone to contribute and scum hunt yet doesn't do it himself, contradiction. His posts: rules I know, I know. Okay? This I don't like. First of all, note he voted RoL because he hasn't posted. Yet even though he's posted alot now, he hasn't changed. That is VERY suspicious in my eyes. Furthormore, he does what mafia like to do, which is "contributing without really contributing." He tells everyone to say who they think is scum, and doesn't do it himself. Mafia love to do this,have town be the heads of each lynch, while staying in the shadows themselves. Makes it much easier to put blame on someone later. How doesn't it contribute if it helps pressure people and get them to post and vote? Also, is there something inherently scummy about voting for pressure? Again, pushes for decon to help without helping himself. Going further, lays accusations on a player for a very weak reason. Mafia does this ALOT. They try to always make players seem suspicious for any single post. Decon says we should rush to day 2? Ghrur lays suspicion on him. This post does nothing except suggest decon is mafia, without even doing that. Will post my reasons for suspecting Decond later on in this post What? Ghrur explain this. Sure, I'll explain. Here's my thoughts on Decond so far. I was going to post this, but I thought I'd rather have him just post some more, and see if I could get off some more analysis and see what some pressure will do. + Show Spoiler + Alright, RoL posted. ##Unvote RebirthOfLegend Hmm, I don't disagree with Aidnai right now, but I'm looking more at decond due to his one line posts, his useless vote tally of who voted who, and his seemingly *townie* idea of role claiming. Of course, it's day one, so nothings for sure yet, but why do we need a tally of who voted who when 1/2 the game's inactive? The votes aren't even deciding right now. All it does is make him seem useful to town when it really serves no purpose. Then, while it may seem townie to "role claim," it's actually more beneficial to mafia in such a set up. We don't know the roles; they do. We don't know who's blue and who's red; they do. They can easily fake a role like Pandain did in Insane with "Trash Collector" or something and disrupt us. In fact, that's EXACTLY what you would expect mafia to do because we get the least information Day 1 making fake role claims the easiest to get away with. I mean, what else have we gotten aside from Dr. H's "clues?" Nothing. So, I say seemingly townie, actually red for Decond. Other Decond Stuff: Doesn't wanna vote "This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games" " its possible..." Very defensive, scared play. Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya? + Show Spoiler [OTHER MAFIA CANDIDATES] + Aidnai: Post without much information Against "spamming" - trying to limit discussion? Not really discussing, asking others to discuss Against town circle Asking much more questions than in Salem Mafia Pressures people as townie, like Artanis and Radfield, yet backs out of pressuring me really quickly. Not committed Jcarlsoniv: All he does is agree with people on speculative topics Asking questions, seems unsure. Answer them yourself man. Doesn't even give off any possible information Scum play So unsure of himself, "That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure" Very unlike his assertive self in Salem, he hardly EVER uses "I think" or "Possibly" or "just a guess" etc Even in Sengoku, states his opinions strongly | ||
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Well, I guess we have a lynch candidate. ##Vote Aidnai | ||
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##Unvote RebirthofLegend ##Vote Aidnai | ||
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On December 01 2010 10:14 jcarlsoniv wrote: RoL, your points make sense to me, and I would like to find out if these are indeed scum tells. ## Unvote Coag ## Vote Aidnai Really necessary though? To address ghrur: Okay, I'm good with that. On December 01 2010 08:51 deconduo wrote: Oh look, I'm being accused of posting mostly one liners and useless information. Lets have a look at 'useful' posts by ghrur up to this point: + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote: I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted: Barundar RoL Jcarlsoniv annul Pandain (wut?) Well, might as well be bold. ##Vote RebirthofLegend Suggests pressuring people through voting and votes for a lurker, just AFTER I write: On November 30 2010 08:33 deconduo wrote: Pick a lurker, put pressure on and see how they respond? So basically repeated what I had just said, using more words. Suggests a town circle in a game with no PMs. You're right. That was indeed a pretty useless post except that I voted for someone and they did help contribute afterwards. I'm not gonna deny it though, it was a worthless post aside from the vote. I maintain that it's just general day 1 chat though. =/ Takes a dig at me when I posted a jokey post. The end. Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles. Why is it not done by ANYONE except caller in sengoku then? That too is a majority lynch game. Still, I suppose you're right on this one. I've never played a majority vote game like this one before where day ends once we get a majority, so I'll concede the point. However, I wasn't taking a dig at you. I was complimenting you. I'm sorry if it sounded like a dig. Other points: [spoiler] Doesn't wanna vote Voting in a majority lynch game is not to be taken lightly. I could go to bed and wake up with someone dead that I didn't want dead. Why is this specific to majority lynch games? It could happen for all mafia games, especially those with a close vote and time-based days. You voted relatively early on in Salem, and then even experimented with Kenpachi near the end. You could've killed him when you woke up too with the deadline if you weren't watching. Furthermore, why're you afraid to vote on Day 1 when it was early in the game? You said, Pick a lurker, put pressure on and see how they respond? Guess what? YOU NEVER DID THAT. Interesting contradiction huh? Scum much?"This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games" " its possible..." Very defensive, scared play. We have no roles list, theorizing is all we can do. I'm hardly going to say YES THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THAT CLUE THAT POINTS TO THAT ROLE WORKS That doesn't make it any less wishy-washy. Guess what heuristic Ver used in his Mafia XXX write up to help determine mafia? Wishy-washiness. Furthermore, you're exaggerating my argument. I never stated in any way that you had to know what the roles do or anything. I'm just saying you're being way too non-assertive about your theories, like you don't want to put them out there. Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya? Much more useful information than you have posted. Except... it wasn't. It was equally useless in my eyes. The roleclaim thing? You'll see tomorrow if I'm alive. Can't say anything about it obviously. I'll take your word on that. If not though, I hope you understand that it'll be a HUGE FoS on you. In fact, a palm of suspicion.  Basically you are trying to make a case where there is none to be made. FoS ghrur Too bad, I'm just hunting scum. If I need to be aggressive, which I've found out that I do, then I'll do it. Also, I'm not scum. I'm blue. ^_^ No, a case is definitely to be made here. Notice this. Throughout this WHOLE post accusing me, not once has he denied that he is INDEED mafia! Furthermore, he doesn't disagree with the fact that he has posted one liners, he just says I don't contribute. Also, [b]note the interesting contradiction about him and putting pressure on lurkers. Interesting how he doesn't follow his own advice, no? Couple that with this idea: This is the type of gem to look for!! Note the blatant contradiction in logic, the excuse of adhering to some mysterious 'principle' despite saying specifically how good of a candidate YM is. Guess what, that was by Ver. Notice the similarities yet? He says put pressure on a lurker and see how they respond. HE DOESN'T DO IT. Why? Because of the principle "Voting must be taken seriously."... but it's day 1? And he was still active during that time? Finally, notice once more, he says we don't know what roles there are. I agree with that. However, that only supports my point that a "roleclaim" by a mafia member would only be beneficial to them because THEY have the information, THEY can make up any role (like pandain did), and THEY can lead us astray. It only helps them to roleclaim so early when we have little to no information and confuse us. Decond never disagrees with this. Sorry decond, despite your attacks, the contradictions are there. I understand I haven't been helpful yet to you, town, especially not to pandain's standards, but I'm trying here. Just look at these contradictions. Those aren't made up, they're staring you in the face. Suspect Decond. | ||
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Yeah, he used his power. Notice there were only 4 votes for SouthRawrea. | ||
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On December 02 2010 12:21 kingjames01 wrote: You hinted that your DT role is different. Based on your role PM, do you think that this following scenario could work?
Well, there are a few things that could go wrong with this: Mafia has someone to frame people with. One of them is paranoid, not insane. One of them is insane and the other is paranoid. We could have mafia claiming DT because everyone's already checked for, especially if godfather exists or there's he's a paranoid DT. But w/es, I suggest you take whatever you've got. If that's just this plan, than so be it. =/ | ||
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On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote: Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p | ||
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On December 03 2010 09:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: If you have doubts about my alignment, then your worries will be satisfied assuming everything works out with the checks/lynch. When day rolls around, I ask everyone to hold off voting for me until we have our information from our DT. If something bad happens with the checks, I don't want to be killed off for no reason. Nah, I have hardly any doubts on you right now. Your defense was adequate, your volunteering for lynch is uncharacteristic of mafia, I'm just stupid. xP | ||
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or purple blood. ^_^ Purple so sexy yo, it's like gretorp and haunter But damnit man, Decond never even got to post his analysis. >_< | ||
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On December 05 2010 02:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: oh shit ghrur for some reason i thought you were dead and i was about to flip on you for cheating hard Hahaha, mixing up the games there Doc. xD | ||
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On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote: =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000? Ouch. T_T That hurts. On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote: Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play. You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch. What else can you say? [/QUOTE] I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago. Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game? | ||
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On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote: =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000? Ouch. T_T That hurts. Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play. You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch. What else can you say? I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago. Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game? | ||
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On December 05 2010 14:15 kingjames01 wrote: The problem is that we can't just lynch based on who's inactive anymore. We need to find 3 mafia and you've just named 3 players. Including yourself, that's 4. I went through your posts and I think I found your hint. Why should we focus our search on someone else and not you? Idk, do the analysis. I want to see you scumhunt KJ. If you really believe you should focus your search on me, then do it. It'll go nowhere, especially if you've found my clue, but if you're scum, all the better right? | ||
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On December 05 2010 15:06 kingjames01 wrote: No, I don't think you understand what I mean. Think about it from everyone else's perspective. Based on what I think you are, I can't reveal you. But if I were to just conclude that we shouldn't lynch you and everyone should take my word for it, we'll be pegged as mafia. You need to defend yourself to the town, and I cannot do it for you. However, if you promise to help me survive the Night then I'll support you during the Day. If you can assure me that we will mutually support each other then I will reveal everything I know. I'm not asking you to defend me. I'll defend myself if people try to lynch me. However, until a formal accusation is made, or people start bandwagoning me, I feel no need to formally defend myself. I can't promise to help you survive. All I can promise is that I won't try and push you during the day. For the night, you're going to have to post all that you know and convince our pharmacists that you're valuable enough to be saved. In that matter, I have no say. I will support you if you reveal everything you know, but only if that happens. | ||
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On December 05 2010 13:15 ~OpZ~ wrote: I said kinda, and why wouldn't a mafia go after him so hard? He had arguably a decent amount of scummy posts day one, and then you apologized crazily. You laughed he used a role wrongly. I dunno....seems cockily teasing to me. You been rather jocular all game actually, besides your posts with him. Your last posts have been pretty spammy, and not to mention you haven't done anything since posting analysis on Decoundo. Dr. H didn't post the final vote counts in the last day post, which is kinda messing with me. Aidnai stopped posting too. Jcarl needs to explain why lynching him would be bad for the town. If its bad for the town, then we don't want to do it, but how would not telling us why benefit the mafia. Don't have much done on Annul, his arguments with KJ scrambled my brains a little, but it was completely irrelevant. And why couldn't Aeres vote fishball either. Peculiar. I apologized crazily? Idk, I didn't realize that. I was just saying, yeah, he's town after him roleclaiming. I hope I don't come off as cocky... And I'm acting peculiar because it helps to have different styles for different games right? :pAidnai stopping posting seems suspicious to me. That being said, his last post wasn't particularly useful. He also promised an analysis which, as KJ pointed out, never appeared. As for annul... + Show Spoiler [annul] + On November 30 2010 12:55 annul wrote: btw it is illegal to claim on day 1 ROL Nothing On November 30 2010 13:10 annul wrote: only time "nothing can be done" is today (if you are right on the role that is), and we cant roleclaim today Nothing Weakly supported vote which follows the bandwagon started by Orgolove On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote: uh orgolove could just be changing his vote as a way to get more people onto fishball and off of ROL... i mean without a "vote changer" role existing. Seems like WIFOM speculation to me. On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote: and lol KJ, good to see you and i finally agree that hostile attacks have no place in mafia games Dig at KJ. No point. Drags us off course. Gets a player distracted for what reason? None. On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote: see that is the problem, you do not need to "unnerve" anyone into anything. this is a competitive game yes, but use your competition to win people over on argumentation, not insults, etc. all i am saying is that if you agree with that, finally, then good, we can continue without problems but i do find it very funny, the above post of yours. timely, indeed. at least you dont condone it IRL, that is good. PS not trying to "get the last word" - only commend you for your sudden change of heart in playstyle Continuing with the bickering. No point except to disrupt. Disruption seems good for mafia... On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote: there is a big difference between "that argument is bad because X" and "you make bad arguments" big big difference Continuing still. On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote: you definitely do not make the first type of statement; or at least you didnt, to me, in sengoku.. but if you dont want to be addressed, then sure, ill stop addressing you. i will grant you the cessation of attack that you did not grant me. <3 so okay, back to this game, did nobody catch what i said about orgolove? maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role, to put more peeps onto fishball and off of ROL (or maybe even coag, if he's bussing)? Continuing still, but says "back to the game", but watch this. On December 01 2010 06:51 annul wrote: to be fair i had no idea you were even signed up for this game, i would have went /out had i known. i dont want to play with you either. it seems that all you are going to do is fight me in every single game we play. no matter what. you were wrong about me in sengoku and so it makes me think that your sole intention is to attack me regardless, whatever color you think i am or whatever color i actually am. so believe me the sentiment is mirrored from my perspective as well. NOT BACK TO THE GAME. :D Continued bickering, yay? On December 01 2010 09:01 annul wrote: so explain to me why we have gotten off of fishball? look at the post i made when i voted him, when i quoted his post and showed the two blatant contradictory ideas. then look at orgolove. he either 1. is bussing fishball or 2. someone actually used that power and wants to save fishball, and the only logical use of this is a mafia use Or that could be wifom and it's really just he was forced to change his vote because of randomness as was shown later. On December 01 2010 11:39 annul wrote: i think these clues mean that there is a role called "the hammer" that ends the day with the vote no matter what Correcto! On December 01 2010 11:40 annul wrote: preacher probably refers to a priest role (bodyguard) Wrongo! On December 01 2010 15:29 annul wrote: wow drh says that he has hinted to all roles where is the vote redirection role hint? vote fishball, then vote orgolove tomorrow The system is corrupt? On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote: opz already has a "vote" on aidnai (through ROL) so you technically need to unvote first. also, there are 14 votes up and the day isnt over, so whoever hasnt voted must be "the hammer" its glasse. glasse is the hammer. which is lol because of what happened with him and his profile clues in haunted ;D but glasse is teh hammer. also i have changed my mind about orgolove. the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. so orgolove for now is off my hook. i still like the fishball kill though for reasons iterated previously Nothing really. =/ On December 02 2010 02:37 annul wrote: hahahaha, AND the OMGUS with no other explanation whatsoever. seriously how is there a better target than this Pushing fishball, still informally. No concrete analysis yet. On December 02 2010 03:01 annul wrote: yeah, [almost] every single action anyone takes in these games has the implicit "i wanted to" attached to it. Again, nothing. On December 02 2010 05:45 annul wrote: the fishball issue is as follows: then, his OMGUS. then, the potential for mafia-controlled vote redirection. then, his lack of contribution whatsoever, even despite him saying "hell the game just started" yeah its been going on for a while - what has he done? a bunch of nothing Reiterating his arguments without anything new... what's the point. If we've read it once, we've probably read it 100 times. Really, this just seems to me the scum idea of "don't give away any information while seeming like you're helping" type deal. Nothing. On December 03 2010 02:58 annul wrote: (Note: After Decond's role claim)"the hammer almost struck back" so that means the axe strikes early. Yes, yes it does. Especially since Decond claimed he was the Axe(executioner) who strikes early. Nothing On December 03 2010 06:56 annul wrote: hey now im allowed to make garbage posts all the same as you do <3 Spam (ironic coming from me now KJ? <3) On December 04 2010 04:54 annul wrote: um fishball claimed spirit. says he will get more powers when he dies. why arent we insta-voting him? He never claimed he gets more powers when he dies. He claimed his power ACTIVATES when he dies. Big difference there. Kinda like saying your analysis has bad logic, and you have bad logic. :p And that seems more like a townie role than a mafia role when you think super saint like on mafia wiki. =/ On December 04 2010 04:55 annul wrote: three options: 1. he is mafia. good lynch 2. he is spirit. good lynch. 3. he is neither. not that good a lynch, but what are the odds he is #3? ##vote fishball Adding nothing new. Same reasons as before. Although, i don't get why he says lynching a spirit is a good lynch... Let's see here: Lynching a spirit means we don't lynch a mafia. Lynching a spirit means the spirit gets limited votes instead of unlimited. Lynching a spirit means we go to night again without much information on who's mafia, and we let mafia retain their KPs... not that good actually unless you're mafia. On December 04 2010 04:59 annul wrote: he CLAIMED spirit. would a non-mafia, non-spirit claim spirit? Fishball sucks for making this a possible mistake. On December 04 2010 05:05 annul wrote: mafia would be ridiiiiiiculously overpowered if they got the spirit role. our only way to kill mafia is by the town lynch (and maybe a vig role). Wait, what? Are you basically saying Fishball's a townie yet we should still lynch him? I don't get it. On December 04 2010 05:05 annul wrote: coagulation was there a hint to a traitor role? Nothing. On December 04 2010 05:09 annul wrote: ... how is that a hint to a traitor role? sounds like confirmation of the second lover to me. Nothing. On December 04 2010 05:11 annul wrote: i missed it then. whatever, who would you rather us kill? opz? Throwing out random names? Cool. On December 04 2010 05:24 annul wrote: orgolove, you assume that it is a mafia role that nullifies the vote. i think it is a part of his ability. since he wants to be town lynched, it is a detriment to his ability to make it harder for him to be town lynched. remember the clue says "the SYSTEM is corrupt" in all 4 colors. makes me think its a neutral occurrence. or maybe, even, the first to get to 4 gets a vote taken off of them (as happened last time). Basis for this? Like, hint that matches? On December 04 2010 05:13 annul wrote: oh. well in that case, how would KILLING him make him town -> mafia? seems like he is already mafia then under that analysis Nothing. On December 04 2010 05:14 annul wrote: but okay then. ##unvote fishball ##vote ~opz~ Whoa. Wishi-washiness. Wtf happened to your endless days of pushing for Fishball. Because of 3 posts by Coag and Barundar? Really? On December 04 2010 05:35 annul wrote: ##unvote ~opz~ ##vote fishball i still think hes town and would benefit from lynch. Again, what? Changing your votes. And also saying townies benefit from being lynched? No. You had a role description from Jcarl. You don't benefit from being lynched even as spirit; you just get limited posts. I don't understand where you get this lynching townie=beneficial idea. Not to mention, it seems like a ploy to get town to mis-lynch for a day. On December 04 2010 05:36 annul wrote: Fishball: Orgolove, Kingjames01, jcarlsoniv barundar coagulation annul opz: aeres is this correct? Easy way to be useful as mafia. On December 04 2010 06:31 annul wrote: KJ sure knows how to be pro at insults amirite Distraction to try and get town off track again? Idk if he's trolling at this point, but why would townies want to troll? Scum move imo. On December 04 2010 07:39 annul wrote: is fish at 7 or 8? i.e., is it over, or is there still a chance to debate this lynch? Uhhh, pointless? On December 04 2010 09:19 annul wrote: well its over now, he has 8, anything happening now wont count now that its confirmed, i think fishball played ridiculously well. i think he survives this lynch with more power. i think he has been lying that he wont stay alive with new powers, so that the mafia keeps voting him. Pointless post again. On December 04 2010 10:28 annul wrote: no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer. it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle. Nothing. On December 04 2010 16:10 annul wrote: drh = caller? Nothing. On December 05 2010 03:35 annul wrote: maybe there is a night vig somewhere Nothing. guesses based on nothing. On December 05 2010 04:30 annul wrote: well we dont know who the night vig hit and who the mafia hit so maybe the mafia hit the tracker and the night vig took out coag or something though maybe the mafia controls the night vig But... this only explains 2 deaths out of 3... are you trying to lead us off track? I don't get it. Overall, Annul's posts have been really unhelpful. =/ It just doesn't feel like the same annul from Sengoku. It's hard to tell between apathetic townie right now, or mafia, but the note about "he's a townie, it'd help him if we lynch him" seems EXTREMELY scummy. See if you agree. For aeres, I feel aside from a few posts here, he hasn't been scummy: + Show Spoiler [aeres] + About the "love" part, my guess is that it implies some sort of symbiosis with the other "lover"; perhaps this manifests itself in the form of being able to PM each other? The Doc did say that certain roles would be able to engage in private messaging. As for beggar, I'm at a loss as well. You're probably correct in thinking it's an information role, but I wouldn't be able to guess much more than that. RoL's analysis of Aidnai seems convincing enough. For now, my vote will stay on him, but as usual, this vote is still tentative. ##Vote Aidnai To be honest, my vote on Aidnai was because I was following the lead of a more experienced player (RoL) who seemed to know what he was talking about. Since I've been really busy for the last few hours, I hadn't gotten around to changing my vote, despite that being on my itinerary. I'll unvote for now, but I don't have any solid clues on who to vote for now, so for the time being, I shall abstain. ##Unvote Aidnai God, it's gonna take a while to end the day. Votes Aidnai only because of following RoL/more experienced player. C'mon, guys, our votes are way too divided right now. We need to find some solid candidates instead of voting purely based on hearsay and OMGUS. He says we should scumhunt instead of going off OMGUS, yet he never does it himself. For lack of a better plan, I'm gonna vote for SouthRawrea to make him talk at the very least, and maybe move the day forward like jcarlsoniv said. ##Vote SouthRawrea I just wish all this passive agreement didn't make me look like a sheep, because I sure do feel like one right now... =( Not really too scummy, but votes SouthRawrea for no reason really, and ends up securing the bandwagon for Decond's first axe. After reading Orgolove's post, I'm inclined to agree that Fishball is definitely acting unusually. Perhaps it's not conclusive evidence yet, but this inconsistency with Jcarlsoniv and Fishball is of too much import to ignore. That, and Fishball's not acting in the interest of town, which is a red flag right there. I'm going to vote for him, until/unless future events cause me to rethink this. ##Vote Fishball I apologize for lurking and not contributing as often as I should, but I've been sick for the past day, so my mind's a bit cloudy. Once I get better, I'll stop the bandwagoning and actually do shit for once. = / Once again votes with other's analyses. Doesn't really do his own on people. ##Vote ~OpZ~ for reasons stated by Walrus-Shopper. Once again votes because of someone else's reasoning.....Fuck. Fucking fuck. And an overreaction on the day post. Although, this is explainable because that was really screwed up. >_< And since then, he hasn't posted... which is strangely weird. I feel like he has scummy posts, but I also feel like his other posts are helping to contribute by analyzing the hints. This is different than annul who basically posted nothing, and accused using the same info again and again. 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On December 05 2010 16:23 annul wrote: let me ask you something ghrur just an immediate response, but for shit like, for example, "no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer. it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle." which i said in clarification of someone else making a false assumption... this is a "nothing" post to you. so, tell me, ghrur, what IS a "something" post? if you call this a nothing post then how can i even attempt to respond to your claim that 95% of my shit are "nothing posts"? I'm sorry, it just seemed that it was pretty obvious that this was the way it worked since it's what decond stated in his roleclaim. People don't need to clarify what can easily be read. Something posts would be things that one logically infers. =/ It's like, my question about PMs is completely nothing, but if I inferred that somebody probably had a role to PM, it'd be something. But suppose that is a something post. Does that make the rest of your posts into something as well? Does that make your posts like, and where is your analysis of KJ? he had a "pointless argument" all the same with me. why are you not calling him out on the bullshit too? I'm quite sure Doc and RoL called both of you out on it, but I wasn't calling you out on your argument. I was calling you out on the fact that you started it. There was no need to bring something from Sengoku into this game, especially when it would only cause disruption and anger between you two, unless you were mafia or you really couldn't keep your grudges away. I disagree with both. =/ And do you really want my analysis? You don't seem to trust it one bit. Why make me spam more, and post more nothing when clearly you'd dismiss it in a moment? maybe you and he are both mafia. in fact that makes sense, since he is now conveniently "going to tell you everything" and how you are now going to "protect him"... hmmmmm I'm waiting for him to tell me everything, but I can't protect anyone. I'd only support him if he comes up with good analyses. Otherwise, why should I? Hell, I'd push for his lynch after that promise. + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2010 16:32 annul wrote: nothing[/quote[ Mistake Correcting my own mistake. It's nothing, but technically, it's clarification. You agree with my standard then? Uhhh, there's a reason. I stated it right there. Is there a reason, and is there logic behind it? Let's see. Reason = I wanna make "inactives" talk. Logic = "These people haven't posted yet" So yes, there is logic and reason, but the premise was wrong. I posted this much too early, and you're correct on that, but to say there's no logic and reason behind it is wrong. It's just it was flawed because of a flawed foundation. Yeah, I've agreed to this before haven't I? Actually, that was hoping to get a response out of Decond because I still suspected him at the time. Or... I'd actually admit my mistakes unlike some people? I admit when I'm wrong, and I admit when I post nothing. *GASP* THAT MUST BE SO MAFIA LIKE! Actually, if you read the post of mine above this, with Decond's post and everything, I give my ideas behind why this is. I don't quote any of his posts, but I say what I felt when I read through his posts. Sorry if I don't keep quotes with my notes, but it is what it is (day9 ^_^). Yes, yes it was. admission of wrongness, see above Yes, yes it is. See response above. If there's interesting stuff in paragraph 1, why're you posting it to say I post nothing? And why is it mafia if it seems like I want to signal stuff? Didn't I say I left a hint somewhere in the thread recently about my role? It's because I DO WANT TO SIGNAL STUFF. Uhhh, what? I think you're using it wrong. I was stating possibilities of the plan going wrong due to unknowns, not saying it would OBVIOUSLY be like this, therefore it COULDN'T have been like this. I think you'd be better off saying idiocy because that's much closer, lol. agreed. Are you trying to fish for my role here? I mean, it's pretty obvious why you drop hints for town to find, because Mafia wouldn't get them. If I cried out I'M DETECTIVE, would it be better than dropping hints and leading lynches because I'm detective? No, because the former would get me killed in a hurry and the latter would give me a better chance of survival and thus to be useful. Besides, you dropped hints that you had a role in Sengoku, does that make you scum? No! Hey, at least help on the question here. I'm truly interested in when my icon changes again, and I don't wanna sort through tons of flying, artsy buffaloes.im inactive but about to post an analysis on annul calling him out for supposedly providing nothing to the town, cool Yeah, at least I post analyses... despite how pissed off people get at them, despite how they're wrong a lot, and despite that I seem to be making more enemies with each one. Also, interesting soooooooooooooooooooo yeah i can play this game too Except I don't pick and choose your posts. I take them as a collection. Your goal here was to aggressively counter, like most mafia members would. Take Ace in Insane, take Jimbosilvers in Salem what do they do when they're under suspicion? They aggressively counter attack and try to cast doubt on the person suspecting them. And you know what else they do? They twist words and ignore posts just to make their point. You seem to be ignoring a lot of my posts. Interesting huh? 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On December 05 2010 16:23 annul wrote: let me ask you something ghrur just an immediate response, but for shit like, for example, "no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer. it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle." which i said in clarification of someone else making a false assumption... this is a "nothing" post to you. so, tell me, ghrur, what IS a "something" post? if you call this a nothing post then how can i even attempt to respond to your claim that 95% of my shit are "nothing posts"? I'm sorry, it just seemed that it was pretty obvious that this was the way it worked since it's what decond stated in his roleclaim. People don't need to clarify what can easily be read. Something posts would be things that one logically infers. =/ It's like, my question about PMs is completely nothing, but if I inferred that somebody probably had a role to PM, it'd be something. But suppose that is a something post. Does that make the rest of your posts into something as well? Does that make your posts like, and lol KJ, good to see you and i finally agree that hostile attacks have no place in mafia games into something that helps town? and where is your analysis of KJ? he had a "pointless argument" all the same with me. why are you not calling him out on the bullshit too? I'm quite sure Doc and RoL called both of you out on it, but I wasn't calling you out on your argument. I was calling you out on the fact that you started it. There was no need to bring something from Sengoku into this game, especially when it would only cause disruption and anger between you two, unless you were mafia or you really couldn't keep your grudges away. I disagree with both. =/ And do you really want my analysis? You don't seem to trust it one bit. Why make me spam more, and post more nothing when clearly you'd dismiss it in a moment? maybe you and he are both mafia. in fact that makes sense, since he is now conveniently "going to tell you everything" and how you are now going to "protect him"... hmmmmm I'm waiting for him to tell me everything, but I can't protect anyone. I'd only support him if he comes up with good analyses. Otherwise, why should I? Hell, I'd push for his lynch after that promise. + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2010 16:32 annul wrote: nothing[/quote[ Mistake Correcting my own mistake. It's nothing, but technically, it's clarification. You agree with my standard then? Uhhh, there's a reason. I stated it right there. Is there a reason, and is there logic behind it? Let's see. Reason = I wanna make "inactives" talk. Logic = "These people haven't posted yet" So yes, there is logic and reason, but the premise was wrong. I posted this much too early, and you're correct on that, but to say there's no logic and reason behind it is wrong. It's just it was flawed because of a flawed foundation. Yeah, I've agreed to this before haven't I? Actually, that was hoping to get a response out of Decond because I still suspected him at the time. Or... I'd actually admit my mistakes unlike some people? I admit when I'm wrong, and I admit when I post nothing. *GASP* THAT MUST BE SO MAFIA LIKE! Actually, if you read the post of mine above this, with Decond's post and everything, I give my ideas behind why this is. I don't quote any of his posts, but I say what I felt when I read through his posts. Sorry if I don't keep quotes with my notes, but it is what it is (day9 ^_^). Yes, yes it was. admission of wrongness, see above Yes, yes it is. See response above. If there's interesting stuff in paragraph 1, why're you posting it to say I post nothing? And why is it mafia if it seems like I want to signal stuff? Didn't I say I left a hint somewhere in the thread recently about my role? It's because I DO WANT TO SIGNAL STUFF. Uhhh, what? I think you're using it wrong. I was stating possibilities of the plan going wrong due to unknowns, not saying it would OBVIOUSLY be like this, therefore it COULDN'T have been like this. I think you'd be better off saying idiocy because that's much closer, lol. agreed. Are you trying to fish for my role here? I mean, it's pretty obvious why you drop hints for town to find, because Mafia wouldn't get them. If I cried out I'M DETECTIVE, would it be better than dropping hints and leading lynches because I'm detective? No, because the former would get me killed in a hurry and the latter would give me a better chance of survival and thus to be useful. Besides, you dropped hints that you had a role in Sengoku, does that make you scum? No! Hey, at least help on the question here. I'm truly interested in when my icon changes again, and I don't wanna sort through tons of flying, artsy buffaloes.im inactive but about to post an analysis on annul calling him out for supposedly providing nothing to the town, cool Yeah, at least I post analyses... despite how pissed off people get at them, despite how they're wrong a lot, and despite that I seem to be making more enemies with each one. Also, interesting soooooooooooooooooooo yeah i can play this game too Except I don't pick and choose your posts. I take them as a collection. Your goal here was to aggressively counter, like most mafia members would. Take Ace in Insane, take Jimbosilvers in Salem what do they do when they're under suspicion? They aggressively counter attack and try to cast doubt on the person suspecting them. And you know what else they do? They twist words and ignore posts just to make their point. You seem to be ignoring a lot of my posts. Interesting huh? 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On December 05 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote: Well, I have my analysis on Aeres almost ready to go, and i check the thread to see what's up, and here's Annul vs Ghrur. Before this argument came up, i had not considered annul, but I already analyzed ghrur (didn't post much of it though) and decided he was town. Reading their arguments, it still looks to me like ghrur is town, and he has done a decent analysis, imo better than his analysis of deconduo. Annul's reaction is... well, definitely a reaction. I want to go through the thread and decide for myself about annul though. He really flew under my radar up until now... Bottom line: I think we may have a winner here, and to avoid confusion and multiple lynch targets, i will hold off on my aeres analysis for now. I'll post it if Annul vs. Ghrur is not going anywhere. Post both. Also, yes, it is indeed a reaction. You know what's more interesting? He was DEFINITELY online between the time he last posted and the time of my post. Yet why, annul, did you not post your thoughts on the discussion? Opz asked for opinion. Why did you not give it to him? Why were you lurking instead of actually posting and being helpful? You could've said "GHRUR WAS SCUM" or "GHRUR IS USELESS" before I posted anything. In fact, if you were sure I am indeed scum and you are town, you would have done so and tried to secure a safe lynch for the town. However, you didn't. Instead, you stayed in the background, posted nothing since December 5th, 4:30 despite you being on at: 7:21, 9:35, 10:09, 11:23, 11:34, 13:37 (LOL 1337), and 14:09. Why wait until I call you out at 15:44 and post only at 16:23? There are a plethora of un-analyzed people. You could've easily posted about any of them. You could've posted your opinions on me, Node, KJ, Aidnai, but you didn't. Probably to not draw attention to yourself because, heck, as Divinek has shown, sometimes the easiest way to win for scum is to lurk. With that, good night. I'll be off for the next 9 hours. | ||
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On December 06 2010 10:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm not sure we should base anything on mafia wiki. This is an experimental game to play around with things for insane 2, so who knows what Doc has dreamed up. That's a good point, but they're basically all there. Look: Fishball/Priest Deconduo/Executioner Kinda like Coag/Whisperer role except you can't whisper back Barundar/Radar Opz/Innocent Child LSB/Hobo SR/Psychic We have yet to get one that doesn't fit anything closely. | ||
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On December 07 2010 08:03 kingjames01 wrote: The colours in the Night 3 post reminds me of Christmas... =) I hope everyone gets their actions in soon! I'm really excited to see what happened. We should coordinate so that everyone is online at the same time. Depending on what my check shows we could then all vote and not give mafia any time to react and form a defense. If we rush the day then we can get into another Night phase. At the moment, the game is 5 Town to 2 Mafia. We're in very good shape especially since we have 1 player who is very likely to be mafia. I also have my eye another player who's posts have been full of logical holes. I swear, if you get killed tonight, we're back to square one. I only have one suspect right now. =/ | ||
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On December 07 2010 09:15 orgolove wrote: 3. ghrur 5. Orgolove veteran 6. Aidnai 8. jcarlsoniv 10. deconduo 12. kingjames01 15. Aeres Two of the remaining are pharmacologists. We also have a insane detective, four roles that don't want to be the hammer vote, and a disease carrier (probably mafia). Decond's dead. Okay... if we still have 2 pharmacologists, then is jcarl lying? Because we have 6 remaining. If we have: 1 insane 1 veteran 2 pharmacologists 1 spirit then we'd have to have 5 blue and 2 red, this doesn't add up, what? | ||
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On December 07 2010 09:53 orgolove wrote: I think we also have another set of lovers, right? No... We should have one less blue role than we do... o_o. Wtf is going on? We've only offed 1 mafia, meaning there are 2 left. We've got a claim for insane DT, Spirit, and veteran. There should still be 2 pharmacist's alive by Dr. H's clue. We only have 6 people. These add up to 7 roles... what??? What's going on? Let me collect the posts now: + Show Spoiler + SouthRawrea the Psychic was killed. Psychic - You can sense how many mafia voted for each player that is lynched. You win when the town wins. Fishball was shot by firing squad. Because he was the Priest, You can not cast the hammer (deciding vote). If someone casts the hammer on you, they will die. Deconduo the Executioner was killed.You can only vote if you are casting the hammer (the deciding vote). In addition you can end a lynch that has just half of the required votes every other day cycle and lynch the target automatically. Coagulation the Whisperer,You can send messages to other players anonymously. PM me the message and the name of the message you want sent and I will PM it to them. You can not hint at who you are/use your screenname in the message. You win if the town wins. Barundar the Radar Tech - You own a special radar that can check if people are mafia. Choose a player at night to shoot a radar gun at. At the end of the night you get a list of people who visited them (including them) and how many of them were mafia. LSB the hobo - You spend all day drunk in the town square. Because you stay in shady places, you have an idea of what everybody did at night but are too drunk to remember who they were. You know all night actions but not the names of the players who did them. You win if the town wins. Node the Lover - You have fallen in love with a mafia player and begun a relationship. If that player dies, you die. You can PM each other. You must keep your relationship a secret. In addition, you have the powers of a tracker. You win with the town. Your lover is: annul OpZ the Innocent Child - confirmed green Annul the Treacherous Lover - You have fallen in love with a town player and begun a relationship. If that player dies, you die. You win if the mafia wins. You must keep your relationship a secret. You can PM each other. Your lover is: Node So yeah, that's 9 dead, 6 alive. We should have 3 reds, so that's 2 reds left and 4 green/blues left. What? Okay, so after Aeres, we have to lynch one more person, but for now, I'm fine with aeres. The problem comes after Aeres is lynched. But I guess we'll worry about that after? ##Vote Aeres | ||
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On December 07 2010 11:17 orgolove wrote: ##unvote Aeres At this point, the townie pharamcist can roleclaim. Even if he dies, we can get both mafia using today's lynch and tomorrow's lynch. 1. Did you really send a pill to kingjames01? 2. Can your pill be taken immediately after you send it to him? I say this because I received a pill last night, but I am prohibited from taking it until the next day. I think Kingjames just made up the part about receiving a pill. I'm the townie pharmacist I sent one to Kingjames last night. However, I've also sent one to Barundar and Coagulation. Idk why they died. I think Barundar didn't eat it the first night probably because we both (red and green) pharmacists sent one to him. He probably ate the mafia one night 2, and Coag didn't eat my pill or something. =/ And yes, you're allowed my pill to be taken immediately. Anyway, I said I left a hint. James, mind telling me my hint? you said you thought you found it. | ||
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On December 07 2010 11:25 kingjames01 wrote: Well, why don't we ask the Town Pharmacist? ghrur, do you mind telling us who you sent your pill to last night? Hahaha, okay, James is cleared for sure now. Here's my reasoning: If he were mafia, then he'd know the red pharmacist. If he knew the pharmacist role, and he knew the other pharmacist was red, then he would know that I can't protect myself (which at this point, it shouldn't matter as mafia knows too). If he knows this, then he would've hit me last night as mafia instead of Opz. However, he did none of those. Therefore, he's cleared in my eyes. | ||
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On December 07 2010 11:28 orgolove wrote: Hmm. Was yours in pill form? ghur, tell me, in what form is your medicine? My medicine is a bottle of pills. That's about as specific as my role PM gets. | ||
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On December 07 2010 11:30 kingjames01 wrote: This is the post where I figured you out. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172696¤tpage=21#401 Oh jeez you're pro, lol. :p My hint was color. | ||
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On December 07 2010 11:39 orgolove wrote: wait wait, wtf? ghrur was a pharmacist? the hell... What? DIDN'T I JUST CLAIM? >_< | ||
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On December 07 2010 11:48 deconduo wrote: GG guys, my scumhunting was wayyy off unfortunately. I shoulda killed aidnai instead And yes, executioner + priest in the same setup was evil -_-Not as bad as mine. Omg, my crappy play basically threw away the game. >_< Damnit, I was hoping you'd expect me to be veteran after throwing my self against Decond and Aidnai instead of Pharmacist. >_< | ||
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On December 07 2010 11:55 Hesmyrr wrote: lol I definitely suspected the possibility of kj scum (inv target being lover was way too convenient) but even if I was in this game, yeah, I don't think I would have successfully persuaded the town into disbelieving the claim. So very well played gambit here. I suspected it, and that's why I brought up the mylo thing, but I didn't wanna think about WIFOM. =/ So... lol. And it was basically too late anyway. | ||
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On December 07 2010 12:01 LSB wrote: Why Didn't you guys lynch KingJames the instant he claimed Mind Controller???????? WHYYY?????? He claimed Hypnotist/Insane DT instead of Mind Controller. But... good point. | ||
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On December 07 2010 12:09 LSB wrote: There you go, someone Hypnotized someone. Guess I should have made it more clear that Hypnotist = Bus Driver. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Wow, T_T Fail. | ||
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I feel like these smaller mafia games are more helpful than the bigger mafia games =/ Big=too many people, too many posts, etc. These small ones are more concentrated and really force you to play because 1 death is REALLY detrimental. =/ | ||
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On December 07 2010 12:42 LSB wrote: Want me to start another Mini mafia? I could do a vanilla 7v2. I'm also thinking of testing a 5v1 with special rules, but maybe start that when Insane Mafia 2 gets into the ready stage. Hmmm, isn't pokemon mafia starting up as a mini mafia? I'd love to have these mini-mafias constantly running though, lol. Cuz I'd join like, every one. | ||
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