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On November 30 2010 23:43 Barundar wrote: Who do you plan on voting for then? The role on mafia wiki that most resembles a beggar: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Hobo Not too sure yet, still a lot of stuff going around and I don't want to place a vote just yet. The 'Town Drunk' is also another name for a roleblocker, he visits someone during the night and gets drunk with them, preventing them from taking any night actions. Its another possibility. | ||
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On December 01 2010 01:40 Aeres wrote: I'm aware that that possibly exists, but from what I know of the Doc's intentions here, he wants this whole GAME to be a mindfuck in terms of roles. Insane Mafia didn't have exact repeats of roles, and the Doc himself compared that game's intent to this one, so I don't feel like he'd dull the variety by inserting two near-identical roles when he could have two roles that are similar, but have subtle differences aside from the insanity factor. I dont think so. The idea of two detectives, one sane one insane seems pretty reasonable in this sort of setup. | ||
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Somebody fell in love. Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3) A child is playing in the yard. (4) A man with a black hood stands in an alley. The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University. Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7) A man begs in the street. (8) Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10) 10 role clues given so far. That leaves 2 more if only town clues are given, 5 more otherwise. | ||
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On December 01 2010 08:03 ghrur wrote: Sure, I'll explain. Here's my thoughts on Decond so far. I was going to post this, but I thought I'd rather have him just post some more, and see if I could get off some more analysis and see what some pressure will do. + Show Spoiler + Alright, RoL posted. ##Unvote RebirthOfLegend Hmm, I don't disagree with Aidnai right now, but I'm looking more at decond due to his one line posts, his useless vote tally of who voted who, and his seemingly *townie* idea of role claiming. Of course, it's day one, so nothings for sure yet, but why do we need a tally of who voted who when 1/2 the game's inactive? The votes aren't even deciding right now. All it does is make him seem useful to town when it really serves no purpose. Then, while it may seem townie to "role claim," it's actually more beneficial to mafia in such a set up. We don't know the roles; they do. We don't know who's blue and who's red; they do. They can easily fake a role like Pandain did in Insane with "Trash Collector" or something and disrupt us. In fact, that's EXACTLY what you would expect mafia to do because we get the least information Day 1 making fake role claims the easiest to get away with. I mean, what else have we gotten aside from Dr. H's "clues?" Nothing. So, I say seemingly townie, actually red for Decond. Other Decond Stuff: Doesn't wanna vote "This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games" " its possible..." Very defensive, scared play. Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya? + Show Spoiler [OTHER MAFIA CANDIDATES] + Aidnai: Post without much information Against "spamming" - trying to limit discussion? Not really discussing, asking others to discuss Against town circle Asking much more questions than in Salem Mafia Pressures people as townie, like Artanis and Radfield, yet backs out of pressuring me really quickly. Not committed Jcarlsoniv: All he does is agree with people on speculative topics Asking questions, seems unsure. Answer them yourself man. Doesn't even give off any possible information Scum play So unsure of himself, "That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure" Very unlike his assertive self in Salem, he hardly EVER uses "I think" or "Possibly" or "just a guess" etc Even in Sengoku, states his opinions strongly Oh look, I'm being accused of posting mostly one liners and useless information. Lets have a look at 'useful' posts by ghrur up to this point: + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote: I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted: Barundar RoL Jcarlsoniv annul Pandain (wut?) Well, might as well be bold. ##Vote RebirthofLegend Suggests pressuring people through voting and votes for a lurker, just AFTER I write: On November 30 2010 08:33 deconduo wrote: Pick a lurker, put pressure on and see how they respond? So basically repeated what I had just said, using more words. Suggests a town circle in a game with no PMs. On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote: Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try.  Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^Takes a dig at me when I posted a jokey post. The end. Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles. Other points: + Show Spoiler + Doesn't wanna vote Voting in a majority lynch game is not to be taken lightly. I could go to bed and wake up with someone dead that I didn't want dead. "This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games" " its possible..." Very defensive, scared play. We have no roles list, theorizing is all we can do. I'm hardly going to say YES THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THAT CLUE THAT POINTS TO THAT ROLE WORKS Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya? Much more useful information than you have posted. The roleclaim thing? You'll see tomorrow if I'm alive. Can't say anything about it obviously. Basically you are trying to make a case where there is none to be made. FoS ghrur | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On December 01 2010 11:54 ghrur wrote: Okay, I'm good with that. You're right. That was indeed a pretty useless post except that I voted for someone and they did help contribute afterwards. I'm not gonna deny it though, it was a worthless post aside from the vote. I maintain that it's just general day 1 chat though. =/ Why is it not done by ANYONE except caller in sengoku then? That too is a majority lynch game. Still, I suppose you're right on this one. I've never played a majority vote game like this one before where day ends once we get a majority, so I'll concede the point. However, I wasn't taking a dig at you. I was complimenting you. I'm sorry if it sounded like a dig. Why is this specific to majority lynch games? It could happen for all mafia games, especially those with a close vote and time-based days. You voted relatively early on in Salem, and then even experimented with Kenpachi near the end. You could've killed him when you woke up too with the deadline if you weren't watching. Except not. I know exactly when the day would end in salem. I know that if I go to sleep, there will still be x hours left when I wake up to read over what has happened, and to change my vote. In this game, the day can end at ANY time. With so few players, each vote is vital, and not to be fucked around with. It takes only 5 townies to be wrong to lynch a townie (+3 maf) and this will get worse as the game goes on. If I place a vote frivolously then it only takes 4. With possibly vote manip roles, that could be down to 3 or 2. While this is somewhat unreasonable, its still a possibility. Furthermore, why're you afraid to vote on Day 1 when it was early in the game? You said, Guess what? YOU NEVER DID THAT. Interesting contradiction huh? Scum much? Pressure does not mean voting. Also read down. That doesn't make it any less wishy-washy. Guess what heuristic Ver used in his Mafia XXX write up to help determine mafia? Wishy-washiness. Furthermore, you're exaggerating my argument. I never stated in any way that you had to know what the roles do or anything. I'm just saying you're being way too non-assertive about your theories, like you don't want to put them out there. So please, almighty scholar, tell me how to give a suggestion on how the clues work without using the words possibly/maybe/could/theory/assumption/implies/probably etc. I'd loooooooove to hear it. Oh also, please show me where you contributed by helping analyse the clues. Except... it wasn't. It was equally useless in my eyes. So you admit you haven't contributed, and yet are trying to make a case for someone being mafia because they haven't contributed. I'll take your word on that. If not though, I hope you understand that it'll be a HUGE FoS on you. In fact, a palm of suspicion.  Too bad, I'm just hunting scum. If I need to be aggressive, which I've found out that I do, then I'll do it. Also, I'm not scum. I'm blue. ^_^ No, a case is definitely to be made here. Notice this. Throughout this WHOLE post accusing me, not once has he denied that he is INDEED mafia! Furthermore, he doesn't disagree with the fact that he has posted one liners, he just says I don't contribute. Also, [b]note the interesting contradiction about him and putting pressure on lurkers. Interesting how he doesn't follow his own advice, no? Couple that with this idea: Guess what, that was by Ver. Notice the similarities yet? He says put pressure on a lurker and see how they respond. HE DOESN'T DO IT. Why? Because of the principle "Voting must be taken seriously."... but it's day 1? And he was still active during that time? Finally, notice once more, he says we don't know what roles there are. I agree with that. However, that only supports my point that a "roleclaim" by a mafia member would only be beneficial to them because THEY have the information, THEY can make up any role (like pandain did), and THEY can lead us astray. It only helps them to roleclaim so early when we have little to no information and confuse us. Decond never disagrees with this. Sorry decond, despite your attacks, the contradictions are there. I understand I haven't been helpful yet to you, town, especially not to pandain's standards, but I'm trying here. Just look at these contradictions. Those aren't made up, they're staring you in the face. Suspect Decond. Once again, made up case where there is none. Where have I contradicted myself? I suggested to put pressure on lurkers, but hey, what lurkers? There are these things called timezones. Voting someone when they are asleep doesn't do anything. Not posting in 24 hours is lurking, but that didn't happen for anyone. We don't really have any lurkers, as everyone has either posted sufficiently or been switched out. YOU have no idea what my role is. I decided that it helps town to know my role rather than have it hidden, and YOU can't say otherwise. I don't know why you've decided to try and push on me, but its certainly a big change from how you acted in salem. This leads me to believe you are just trying too hard and failing rather than being mafia. You've got the wrong person, get over it. | ||
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On December 02 2010 06:59 LSB wrote: Now that I think about it, deconuo is probably a lover with someone he dislikes... Anyways, lovers come in pairs of one mafia, one town right? Not a bad tradeoff ##Vote:Deconduo I'm not a lover. | ||
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Aidnai - 3 Voters: Barundar, ghrur, node Coagulation - 2 Voters: orgolove, SouthRawrea Fishball - 2 Voters: annul, aidnai Annul - 1 Voters: Fishball, Deconduo - 1 Voters: LSB orgolove - 1 Voters: kingjames kingjames - 1 Voters: opz Not voting: deconduo, jcarl, aeres, coag | ||
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Hope I'm right. | ||
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I can only vote if my vote hammers. However I can kill someone that has half the required votes at any time. This can't be used on consecutive days. Kind of like a gimped day vig. | ||
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On December 02 2010 10:04 Node wrote: I can't help but notice that the day ended as soon as aidnai no longer held more votes than southrawrea. So deconduo, you're saying that you suspected south enough to kill him without the majority? And what do you mean by "I can only vote if my vote hammers"? If 8 people are needed to lynch, I can only vote if theres 7 votes on that person already. The exception being when I use my power. | ||
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On December 02 2010 23:25 Fishball wrote: Have you ever thought if he is Mafia, he can rightfully end the vote early every other cycle, when he deems so, without "drawing suspicion". Just throwing it out there and stirring it up. Insanely overpowered mafia role then. It would essentially mean that town can only lynch a mafia every second day. And why would I claim it. I send in the execution to Dr.H and it happens anonymously, hence my reason for claiming. It helps town to know who I am so as not to cause confusion and chaos. | ||
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On December 03 2010 00:18 Node wrote: Deconduo's role seems more town-oriented to me. In a game like this where mafia has as much power as they do over the vote, it would be ridiculous to essentially hand the lynch to them. This gives the town an opportunity to end the freakin' day when they can't overcome the mafia influence on the lynch. I wish you hadn't roleclaimed. :/ Your role is too powerful to die night 1. I may have something up my sleeve  | ||
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On December 03 2010 00:21 Barundar wrote: At the risk of looking stupid when night post hits, it makes sense to have a mafia executioner to counterweight the majority vote system. It is harder for mafia to win with a sudden vote switch when half the players needs to vote. Decon, could you explain why you decided to execute SR as soon as you had the chance, and not Aidnai? You kept your hand over him. Aidnai defended Decon, so there is a possible link. I was suspicious of the bandwagon on aidai. Both in how quickly it formed and how quickly it disappeared. Nothing to do with the fact that he defended me (I didn't even see that tbh, can you link the post?) | ||
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On December 03 2010 02:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: One strikes with the hammer the other with an axe. One strikes back, the other strikes early im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn I'm the axe. So someone else is the hammer. | ||
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