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On November 27 2010 09:21 kitaman27 wrote: Ya it looks like the mods might have copied/pasted without modifying the entire role for Salem. We really shouldn't put up with their laziness. Also, it might be beneficial to post if anyone has pm'd you fishing for role claims, as it would make sense for a mafia to try, now that DrH has posted a medic was so willing to give it up. Well I've gotten no PMs because I've made it pretty clear that it should be a secretive thing that should be done to avoid having mafia inference peoples' roles through the information available to them. On November 27 2010 08:21 Glasse wrote: OH MY GOD stop the pm spam, this meant green, not crazy thing with multiple hits i'm useless so i'm a meat shield If claiming green at the beginning of the game as WIFOM strategy was useful, everybody would do it. None of this please. NONE. | ||
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On November 27 2010 17:04 DarthThienAn wrote: Didn't you guys know? Protactinium is schizophrenic. That's why he said "we". Seriously though, for those of you wondering, I'm voting for DrH currently because I think he's full of crap. Here's how I see it: 1) An actual medic roleclaimed to him: conclusion - medic is silly in the head, unless he's pulling shenanigans and claimed to someone else to bait mafia. Why? You don't know DrH's alignment, why would you RC with nothing in the game to look at? Simply because he's a "better player"? That's ridiculous -_-. 2) A mafia player claimed to him as medic - I'll agree that it's a little silly for mafia to RC medic, unless they plan on doing something fast. It would give DrH the power to "protect" certain players from mafia hits, by saying "protect this person". If that person gets hit, then the mafia gets outted. 3) A townie/non-medic claims medic - someone thinks they're good and is fishing. Otherwise, it's retarded. 4) DrH, mafia, lying, wants to make a huge ploy to become trusted in the town/get the names of some blues. And the "he'll attract too much attention" arguments don't apply here, because any mafia willing to attract attention is confident enough that they'll be able to handle/deflect it. I think this is more likely than the other 3 options, thought 1 is close. But with nothing to go on so far, this is my vote for now. Also, I'd like to throw in that Protactinium's first post is retarded. I'd be happy to vote for him as well. Considering the plays we've seen so far in this game, I would have to say that options 1 and 3 are highly possible. I feel like we're in the Maritimes with all the fishers we have: we've had TWO green claims in thread as well several PMs going around with claims which are presumably being used to gather info from newer players who may respond to them honestly. Fishing is most helpful for groups of players (i.e. Town circle or mafia) as you can have more information about a single thing to converge in your group. I feel that the most likely options here is that DrH is fishing for information regardless of role, that a new player legitimately claimed to him or someone else is fishing. Only 1 of these 4 (implied) options is mafia related and I feel that this is much too early in the game to quell this as we may actually have a town circle eventually form here (with DT checks and whatnot). I do encourage people to limit the amount of information given to DrH and ANYONE really to also limit the threat if they are actually mafia. Good? Now we need a different vote. | ||
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On November 28 2010 10:30 DarthThienAn wrote: I think what was meant is that no one but the CE knew who he was. So ie. Kenpachi is mafia, mafia don't know BB's role, mafia all jump on BB to save Kenpachi. Just throwing out a hypothetical situation. Ah I'm such a hyprocrit. D: I was raging about the role thing with annul. | ||
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This whole medic claiming to you thing is becoming less trustable to me. I consider that either a slip-up or a pointless action of WIFOM that would've already been considered by mafia as if you are a townie, then you are a threat to them. So which is it? | ||
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Nvm I get it. | ||
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The mafia's kills were strange though, I can only assume that Barundar and Aidnai were attempts at blue snipes while Deconduo was the kill of an active player who might have been on to something with his experiment regarding people switching votes to BrownBear everytime someone voted for Kenpachi. I suggest we start with possible DT mouthpieces to speak up if there is one at this point in the game. | ||
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On November 29 2010 11:14 Kenpachi wrote: You either got protected or he might be mindfucking you. Or he was planning on killing you the next night but i think this is quality info Protection= impossible. 1 Bomb max + 3NK + No vig until N2. = 4 deaths | ||
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On November 29 2010 12:22 annul wrote: ;D ... ;D that said, the other, more probable alternative way this could fuck town over (other than him being godfather i mean) is that he is actually mafia and his "DT" is either another mafia player and/or doesnt exist. in a game like this with only 1 mafia team, sacrificing 1 member for completely fucking the town circle is a good play, especially if he can get a few other blues out of the deal. this was bad in haunted because the red teams wanted to kill the other red team and NOT the town, but here with only 1 red team and their target the town, those blues will fall pretty quickly to a play like that. Please do tell how this is more probable? I do agree that there is a chance but the most probable? DT checks DrH's identity and then reveals his identity. How is it a sensible strategy to then put two mafia members at risk for a town circle that no one trusts at this point? As well, there are no other DT mouthpieces at this point to counterclaim which would've been perfectly sensible to do after I claimed to be a DT mouthpiece seeing as how its unlikely that there would be 3 DTs in a game of this size. I never said I needed the identity of DrH's medic either. So what? I get 1 potential blue out of this whole ordeal for 2 reds at the end? | ||
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On November 27 2010 08:07 Glasse wrote: hi, don't waste a blue role on me, not worth it. (medic, dt, other stuff we have) meatshield represent. Seriously, what on earth is this? It's not like you really took it back the next post either? I realize that people have PMs on this and if there is anything useful in them such as motives or intents feel free to share them. On November 28 2010 06:53 Glasse wrote: wow pming drh is a bad thing i guess he just posts everything rofl Why would posting information publicly be bad? Assuming that you're not revealing your role or anything too important, you'd really have nothing to be afraid of regardless of who is posting it unless you have something to hide which you don't. You're green right? On November 28 2010 09:43 Glasse wrote: yea now that i actually read them that's kinda true :3 Just catching his mistake or scumslip. On November 30 2010 23:17 Glasse wrote: Alright i can't be on for the rest of the vote ends so i'm going to vote myself due to me thinking kenpachi is town and he's an easy bandwagon for scum. I'll try to be more active in the future, lots of work to do at college these days. If you were fully aware that you were going to be inactive for the rest of the vote, why not give reasons for why you are suspicious of certain other people instead of effectively abstaining by voting yourself? Aside from the PMs which I should probably ask DrH about in PMland, there's been nothing but early game spam, an immediate (and pointless) green claim that really suits no purpose but to distance yourself from the discussion and a potential scumslip. Now I know he might not be on to defend but it seems that he has a failed attempt to clear himself from suspicion, disregards any town discussion but posts semi-regularily to avoid being one of the inactive lynch candidates. In a slow game like this, the best way to hide as mafia is to not discuss anything important. Alot of the scum are in hiding this game and Glasse stands out as scum who's made an early game slipup. To me, he is a better lynch candidate than Kenpachi and so I'm voting him. | ||
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On December 01 2010 12:04 jcarlsoniv wrote: If this can be confirmed by South, that would be lovely. So at least you are being kept in check by them. How do you feel about a mass claim Doc? I don't quite understand what needs to be confirmed but yeah I was dt checked N1 and DocH has been sharing his info with me. (Be back in about 8 hours TT.TT) | ||
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On December 03 2010 04:16 Kavdragon wrote: Durp. Radfield has only really spent his time defending himself, and has continued to not post anything of benefit to the town. I was supportive of lynching inactives during the very beginning of this game but as I have realized, "inactive" describes half of the town. At this point we've had quite a few replacements as well which results in a very slim amount of people actually having a decent-sized post count (without even considering benefical posts) barring spam. While inactive may be unhelpful to town, I suspect that there are about 3 mafia hiding within the inactive pool while the others are either defending themselves right now or sheeping along. Ideally we want to find the active mafia, get the town involved in discussion thereby reducing the number of inactives and providing material for analysis, and rinse and repeat until victory. While I'm not saying that your judgement is incorrect, I'd rather search for mafia-esque behaviour rather than lack of town behaviour now. My apologies for using "inactive player" and "player who fails to contribute anything useful" interchangeably. | ||
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On December 08 2010 10:05 kitaman27 wrote: I demand a modkill. This game is under protest. You were dt checked day one right? We actually had a clutch Godfather pick. We initially picked Protactinium but two hours before day start we switched to me and Artanis got back a vet report from me day 2 (technically cuz it's after Night 1. Day 1 is the game start technically but the first DT check was used on me). | ||
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On December 08 2010 23:32 Amber[LighT] wrote: You gotta give credit for DrH pulling the strings getting 2 town circles set up. I wish he would post what actually happened the first couple of days. When he PMed me I was ready to help since I assumed he was pro-town and I really had nothing to lose. I was upset that I got targeted on Night 2 It's funny I had Radfield pegged from the start, and I told DrH not to give him too much information. I probably should have taken a step back and considered SouthRawrea, but we never had much contact so he wasn't someone I was thinking about. I am disappointed with some of the poor play, particularly of the blues in this game. There are 2 things you shouldn't do: -Never claim medic if you're the medic in the thread. How will you be protected? You're handing blue roles over -Don't ever think you're more useful staying in the shadows with a +2 life role. What's the point in that? Youngminii got lynched because mafia knew that was the best way to eliminate him. Either that or keep him to the end. The sad part is I handed YM to the mafia with my exchange with ghrur. I did the analysis for them and it should have been clear when he didn't die immediately to realize he was blue and use him as a voice for the town. It was poor of me to not connect those dots. Veterans and medics should NEVER role claim, or at least be careful of how they claim. You can claim without actually claiming, especially in a PM-based game. Yeah I had to be careful of you because DrH told me that he trusted you the most. I wanted you dead before DrH. | ||
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