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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
November 14 2010 00:39 GMT
#36
/in
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
November 22 2010 09:23 GMT
#151
Calvinmafia: make up the rules as you go! Never the same game twice!

/lynch mods
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
November 26 2010 06:26 GMT
#212
Sorry if I'm just dumb, but where does it say that we need to elect a mayor? It's not on the role list...
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
November 27 2010 11:42 GMT
#324
I definitely dislike how at the beginning of the game DrH basically made it first priority to get a town circle, opening the door to all sorts of mafia shenanigans and possibly giving the mafia prime targets extremely early in the game, especially if there are actually people willing to claim to him before the first day has ended. (if so, come on, people! learn to distrust a little bit more!) After Haunted Mafia I'm definitely wary of circles of any sort, as ours handed scum the game at the last minute. I am not keen to repeat those mistakes. In this game in particular I dislike the town circle concept even more, as there are two roles custom built for infiltration -- remember that Chaos Ensuant will come back townie to rolechecks.

I also don't understand why Doc even said anything about knowing a medic in the first place. It's made him a prime target for the mafia and also raises the possibility of accidentally revealing the medic some way or another. All it has really done is made him seem more "legit" as the town circle coordinator -- I don't feel that town has actually gained anything from this knowledge.

I feel that if town is interested in forming a circle (which I highly discourage for the time being), we let the detectives take initiative after some rolechecks have gone through.
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
November 27 2010 23:10 GMT
#379
I think it's silly to be voting Pandain at this point and it would be a bad choice to lynch him over kenpachi or brownbear, who have both actually shown some suspicious activity.
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
November 27 2010 23:13 GMT
#381
As for kenpachi in particular, I'm really not comfortable with anyone whose defense is basically "I have no idea what's going on in this game".
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
November 29 2010 03:07 GMT
#576
All right guys, I think there's something really important that most people have missed. Hopefully the revelation of ghrur as scum and the suspicions he cast on me clear my name a bit.

Look at the bandwagoning of Pandain that nearly happened on day 1. Look at some of the names on that list, and look at who initiated it: our friend ghrur. I'd say at this point that I'm 90% positive Pandain is town.

On November 28 2010 10:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Pandain - 1
Coagulation
Ghrur
Radfield
Deconduo
Kenpachi
Aidnai


And hey, look at who else was on the list of people who voted Pandain. And look who was conveniently spared yesterday due to a last-minute switch by ghrur himself.

Come on guys, don't let kenpachi get away with this crap.

Lynch kenpachi.
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
November 29 2010 03:11 GMT
#579
Why the hell would mafia want to save him, though? Ghrur's vote was fine where it was, and if he hadn't switched I'd bet he'd be alive right now.
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
November 30 2010 21:00 GMT
#687
I'll admit that as time passes I've become more iffy on Kenpachi actually being mafia. In my (admittedly limited) experience scum usually steps up to the plate and defends themselves or explodes and admits everything (hiya Coag). It always seems to be a townie that ends up dying when a person just quietly gives up and goes with the flow.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if mafia is just sitting back and letting town kill itself. Because, if Kenpachi dies and flips town, where else do we have to go?

Something I have been wondering about:

On November 29 2010 14:54 DarthThienAn wrote:
My (and deconduo's) experiment succeeded. Why would I not heed the results? O_O. I already thought day 1's voting was strange. ghrur flipping red only made it even more suspicious. I'd be a fool to NOT vote for you, unless you have a valid reason?


What the hell "experiment" are you talking about? You're implying that you were in PMs with deconduo before he died. If you were scum, you got him targeted. If you're town, you've held back information. What's going on, DTA?
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
November 30 2010 21:44 GMT
#697
On December 01 2010 06:37 Glasse wrote:

I'll start defending myself once i have the majority of votes on me


All right, switching to you, then.
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
December 02 2010 01:18 GMT
#947
Doc, was coag the medic who claimed to you on day 1?
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
December 02 2010 03:21 GMT
#989
I'd also like to chip in that considering Radfield seemed so sure that he was about to die night 1...

On November 29 2010 07:46 Radfield wrote:

Since the dawn is fast approaching, it's time for me post before i die(62.5%).

...

As always though, things don't really get cooking until Day 2. If a medic saw it in his heart to pay me a visit tonight, I would not object.


...he had done very little to actually earn it. He hadn't thrown out any accusations except for hounding a selection of lurkers. Unless he was promoting himself as a blue in PMs (in which case, I'd like to see them), he'd done virtually nothing that would make him a prime mafia target in my eyes. This screams drawing medics to me.
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
December 02 2010 23:11 GMT
#1041
On December 03 2010 02:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm also willing to look at Node (who has surprisingly not roleclaimed yet)


For the record, I did claim to DH earlier. He confirmed it here:

On December 01 2010 16:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Node has RC'd as well.
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
December 05 2010 13:57 GMT
#1176
I figure since nobody's actually posted an extensive analysis of youngminii's posts, I ought to go ahead and do that. Keep in mind this will not take PMs into consideration except for where his posts explicitly mention them or information in them.


On November 26 2010 20:31 youngminii wrote:
wifom can be so much simpler than that

think about this statement:

i am not a witch



On November 28 2010 08:50 youngminii wrote:
lol DrH, role fishing like that in a learning game, not a very cool move.

Out of Kenpachi and BB who seem to be the lynch candidates (besides me kinda) I'd have to go for Kenpachi. I don't really want to vote for any of them but Kenpachi's cluelessness/reluctance to defend himself is more worrying than the reasons against BB.

Sorry


He's one of the first people to say that DrH is role fishing, which could be construed as scummy, but personally I don't think it's really an indication one way or the other. He debates between Kenpachi and BrownBear, both of which we assume mafia thought of as townies at that point in the game.

On November 29 2010 03:31 youngminii wrote:
It wouldn't be possible to pass on the DT role to someone else, would it? I don't feel right, knowing that our DT was a jackass and how we lost the role just like that.

I'm with Pandain on the whole Kenpachi/BB thing. I don't believe that scum would let the votes get that close without any drastic/obvious last minute changes. Also, while I agree that Kenpachi is probably not a green, I don't see anything pointing towards him being a CE. Innocent until proven guilty, right?


First paragraph is inconclusive. It's a pro-town sentiment, but something the mafia could easily say without risk.

It's the second paragraph I find interesting. Let's fast-forward a post...

On November 30 2010 18:50 youngminii wrote:
Just so everyone knows in case DrH turns up as scum or something and tries to do something sneaky (which I doubt will happen anyway), I roleclaimed to him. Obviously I'm not going to say what my role is but chyeah there you go. I believe that being transparent about most things is better than keeping everything in secret PM networks and all that crap.

Right now I get the feeling that Kenpachi is indeed scum, and given BB's death last night and all the suspicion around Kenpachi, some/most of the scum have gone and decided to bus him. I mean, hell, he has a LOT of votes on him without any counter target, which means the mafia have given up on him. I don't like the abstain votes so I guess we'll have to keep an eye on them in the future.


So much weird stuff going on here. Lots of flip-flopping on youngminii's part. About a day back he accused DrH of role-fishing, now he seems to be on-board with the circle. Later, he says that the "easiest way to win is to roleclaim to DrH". After DrH dies, youngminii says that Doc "played horribly".

More importantly, he seems to have completely changed his mind about Kenpachi. He talks about the mafia having bussed him and generally acts like his death is set in stone, which I find a very scummy action. Don't bother trying to find another target, clearly mafia have given up on him, just don't question the vote and move on, am I right? He also mentions keeping an eye on abstaining voters, which I never saw him bring up again.

Note that not long after this, people switched en masse from Kenpachi (medic) to DTA (townie) due to Kenpachi's claim. Notable people staying on Kenpachi include JimboSilvers, Radfield, and youngminii, all of which are either scum or highly suspicious people. Kenpachi died that night. In itself it isn't conclusive evidence, but combined with youngminii's opinion-swapping I find it practically damning.

On December 01 2010 10:58 youngminii wrote:
This is exactly why PM games are fucking retarded. Wouldn't have joined if I had known.

With that aside, I understand why it was 'necessary' to move votes from Kenpachi but seriously, DTA? There was nothing scummy at all about him. If you're gonna make a last minute switch, do it wisely enough so that you don't let mafia dictate who you get to switch to. Oh well, town's in the lead anyway.

Honestly, the easiest way to win this game is for everyone to just roleclaim to DrH. I'm not even kidding, PM games are so retarded that if you do this it's an insta-win.


What a convenient thing to say after the fact. He gets why Kenpachi couldn't die, but it's not like he changed his vote. His commentary on the actions add absolutely nothing to the game -- just giving advice to the town without backing it up with action.

On December 02 2010 17:37 youngminii wrote:
wait

wait

wait

drh knows 2 healers
2 healers die
drh does not have an appropriate excuse
drh dies

why is this not happening


Puts suspicion on DrH. We all know now that Doc was town, but a lot of people were suspicious of him at the time and I can't in good conscience say that this is a scummy sentiment.

It's worth noting that he never moves his vote off Doc.

On December 02 2010 23:07 youngminii wrote:
I honestly think everyone that's going against Radfield should read the above post, twice, and reconsider your decision.


Defends Radfield pretty hard. If either of these two turn up scum it's going to be pretty obvious what color the other is.

On December 04 2010 23:30 youngminii wrote:
This game is fucking horrible, DrH has the entire town on his leash.

Show nested quote +
Because YM is "the vet" I asked him to claim DT and announce the result of the DT check but he ignored me completely and instead tried to turn a bandwagon around on me. Good one eh?

When the flying fuck did you ask me to claim DT. I go and claim in the thread that I roleclaimed to you, which is MORE than enough to cast suspicious light on me for preparation of the late game. Then you go on like a chimpanzee and say to the entire thread "GUYS, MEDICS, YOU NEED TO PROTECT YOUNGMINII"
Are you serious? For one thing, that's wasting a medic save. For another, that's making scum veer away from me, I'm protected so why would they hit me? This thinly veiled crap of yours makes no sense whatsoever. In fact, it might have made the tiniest bit of sense if you had planned that for the late game but then you go and reveal my roleclaim to the entire town. Can you guys seriously not see how corrupt this 'town leader' is?
What's wrong with 2 bodyguards in a THIRTY person game? I'm sure there are fishier roleclaims, but the mafia can handle all the other blue roles, the bodyguards must be dealt with via town to maximise mafia KP. Don't tell me you guys can't see this. I urge you, vig, kill this scum.

No hard feelings DrH.


I love how he goes from "best way to win is to roleclaim to DrH" to "This game is fucking horrible, DrH has the entire town on his leash" as soon as Doc starts putting suspicion on him.

On December 04 2010 23:41 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 14:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
ym is the kind of mafia player active behind the scenes in irc directing others and not active in the thread. this makes me even more suspicious.

1. no i'm not, i never play behind the scenes as scum
2. i don't direct anyone to do anything AS YOU SHOULD KNOW by modding that game where i was scum
3. are you using the metagame to accuse me? didn't i try the same thing last time against you and epically fail?


Kinda funny how he goes from using the metagame to defend himself to saying that using the metagame as an accusation is a bad idea.

On December 05 2010 12:33 youngminii wrote:
DrH played so horribly I don't even..

In any case, I'm the vet. Think about it seriously, what the fuck is wrong with having 2 vets in a 30 person game?


His only real defense is that his role is one that might exist. How about how you played? The way you voted? Who you talked to, and why?

On December 05 2010 13:04 youngminii wrote:
In any case, I'd like the hear from KtheZ.

Not a direct accusation (yet) but I haven't heard much from you this game, as I'm sure most people haven't heard from me. What I'm wondering is why am I being spotlighted and you aren't? Is it because I roleclaimed to DrH and he decided to reveal me after I already gained some initial suspicion? Then why aren't you gaining any of this 'initial' suspicion, are you allied with a certain group? Is it safe to say you didn't roleclaim to DrH, why would that be? Perhaps it's because you're a green, or some important blue like a DT, or a red.

Eagerly awaiting your response


And now he attempts to move suspicion on to another player, still without a proper defense of himself. He says it's not a direct accusation, but what better way to get himself and Radfield out of the spotlight than to drag in somebody completely unrelated to the goings-on so far?

Yeah, I'ma vote youngminii.
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
December 06 2010 06:42 GMT
#1234
I'm willing to lynch the MH, provided both of his bombs are down. It's pretty much now or never for the town.
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
December 06 2010 23:24 GMT
#1246
On the flipside, it's entirely possible that the hatter will end up more dangerous to us alive than dead if we get a couple of correct lynches. Supposing we lynch a mafia today and the MH survives tonight, it's gonna be really hard for him to have bombs on two mafia for the subsequent nights -- so if the mafia manage to hit him it's going to be more and more likely that he accidentally blows up the town, which would spell our demise.
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
December 07 2010 22:14 GMT
#1292
Now that it's clear who the hatter is, I can't realistically see lynching anybody else, as he is our main weapon against the mafia at this point, and IMO would become a liability later as it becomes more likely for his bombs to hit townies.
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
December 08 2010 11:55 GMT
#1360
I PMd this to DrH sometime during day 1 discussion. Bold is for emphasis.

I'm fine with sharing thoughts via PM, I'm just very worried about a town that comes to rely on a circle of "confirmed" people for direction instead of good scumhunting and discussion within the thread itself.

I realize that that could be construed as a scummy sentiment -- of course mafia doesn't want people conspiring against them in private -- but I think it's too easy for town to put themselves in a position where they're controlled by the circle instead of the other way around.

I'm all for getting discussion going in PM land, though.


I really wish I had pushed that more in-thread at the beginning, but it just grew too far too fast, and I made a few too many poor choices to be considered trustworthy. Hindsight, 20/20, etc.

I just felt incredibly discouraged after the fiasco that was Kenpachi, and even more so after youngminii turned up veteran. I thought I had actually posted a decent analysis for once, even though at that point it didn't make much of a difference. *sigh* Just gotta keep at it.
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