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4. KtheZ was a fairly active poster in insane mafia. Hooray for being the only person who gets little to no analysis at all :/ | ||
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So by this reasoning, we have around 2 days (3/4 if the doctor is a BOSS and we dont lynch the vets) to lynch one of the mafia. Add in the fact that there is no detective role. It will be difficult to figure out who's who. Question: Deconduo, can both mafia MC people on the same night? Also, does the hunter still fire a shot if he is hit by the mafia? | ||
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On November 12 2010 12:22 LSB wrote: Ah kk, was just scared for a while. All right to start. We should try taking down a scum straight at the start before they shed their skin. It's advantageous for the mafia to shed their skin fast. For example, take this night. Say we mess up day 1 lynch. And then night kill goes through somehow. And both mafia shed their skin. Bam 2v3 lylo. We got to stop them fast. And I propose we all roleclaim. Of course discuss the roleclaim before we actually do it. I'm not sure if roleclaiming is the best thing to do, since then mafia have free reign to MC whoever the hell they want. If mafia, say, MC jaedong, then town not only has to figure out its him, but we also lose one of our people, which would put us at a disadvantage at that point in the game. | ||
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On November 12 2010 13:47 youngminii wrote: EBWOP: I mean mafia won't be able to mindcontrol either of them. What stops mafia from MCing the shrink, if he protects the doctor? | ||
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On November 12 2010 13:49 LSB wrote: Doctor doesn't protect against mafia mc. Btw I claimed tracker So since you claimed tracker, it is probably not a good idea for anyone else to roleclaim. This is because this leaves 2 people open for MC/hit. Then, the doctor will be at a loss as to who to protect, same for the shrink. You know what I just noticed? If there was someone i WANTED the mafia to MC, I would say the shrink. It makes sense, because since the mafia used a MC, the shrink's usefulness decreases anyway. | ||
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On November 12 2010 14:05 KtheZ wrote: So since you claimed tracker, it is probably not a good idea for anyone else to roleclaim. This is because this leaves 2 people open for MC/hit. Then, the doctor will be at a loss as to who to protect, same for the shrink. You know what I just noticed? If there was someone i WANTED the mafia to MC, I would say the shrink. It makes sense, because since the mafia used a MC, the shrink's usefulness decreases anyway. By this logic, it probably is better for the shrink to protect someone else rather than himself. however, if you see a flaw in my reasoning, please point it out. | ||
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On November 13 2010 04:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: As host of the last game, I hope to be able to use some of the experience from that for scumhunting this game. At the very least, we can prevent mafia from doing the same shit they pulled in that game; spam the game with useless info that confuses town. This game is far smaller so it'll be easier for town to not get confused by lots of information. As for LSB's claim; I think it's highly important for the real tracker to report if LSB isn't the real one. We'll have one guaranteed mafia or force him to yakuza out if we get a counter claim. Just please, do not lie when claiming as town. As seen in previous games, this always ends in disaster where both players are townies and get lynched. See aeres last game. I agree with this completely. I would also like to add: Do not roleclaim if you are the medic. if you do, you will almost 100% be hit the next night, with no way to protect yourself. However, whether the shrink should roleclaim or not is debatable. | ||
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We can assume you are town until someone else roleclaims. They better do it by the end of the night (so medic has a chance to protect either one of you, and so we basically find a mafia) Otherwise, you are confirmed as detective. | ||
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On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote: i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3 doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well I suggest they all protect LSB. Since they are currently hidden, but LSB is shown to be tracker, it is best to protect LSB, since if mafia decides to hit one of the townies they might hit one of the two vets. The shrink should NOT protect himself; in fact, him getting MCed is good fortune for town. This is mainly because if mafia use one of their MCs on the shrink, his role becomes less useful ANYWAY. So thus, shrink should NOT protect himself, because getting MCed is pro-town for you. | ||
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On November 14 2010 06:21 Glasse wrote: i fail to see how losing a town member is good for the town :3 It's better for town for the shrink to get MCed rather than, say the tracker or medic. Of course, it is most preferable for mafia to MC normal townies (or one of the vets), but what im trying to say is that the shrink should value the lives of the tracker and medic over his own. | ||
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On November 14 2010 09:20 LSB wrote: All right, I've confirmed someone, I won't be revealing who I confirmed unless the person comes under suspicion from the town. (I will breadcrumb the person later if needed). Assuming artanis is right. That means that we have 3 confirmed townies. When then have 6 people not confirmed so far. I would take what artanis says with a grain of salt; we cant confirm if hes telling the truth or lying. | ||
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I would say count him as a vet for now, but keep in mind that until the other vet roleclaims, we are not 100% sure he is vet. Generally, I think the mafia would benefit in roleclaiming vet because of 2 reasons. 1. It gives them a role that is unverifiable unless another vet roleclaims (and then we wait to see if anyone has objections) 2. Tracker probably wont track them. However, I would probably say artanis is telling the truth, considering that it would be one hell of an opening gambit for the mafia to play in this fashion. | ||
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Artanis is probably telling the truth. | ||
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He said that he is neither calm nor clam, but nowhere in the rules said that the vet role would be both calm/clam. Unless another vet comes and refutes artanis's role pm claim (because it is safe to assume the other vet got the same pm), then we can say artanis really is town. | ||
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On November 15 2010 03:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: he didn't say he was neither calm nor clam he said he was either calm or clam, he just doesn't know which one big difference. we can't just accept artanis as 100% town. vet is one of the best fakeclaims for a mafia, but something about his play doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me as mafia. he's at the bottom of my suspects list really wish he refused to answer that question about his role pm. would have been such a good trap if he said he was calm and then some mafia said "well im clam" You know DrH, I was thinking the same thing. It would have been so much more convenient if a mafia claimed clam or something. But getting back on track: Artanis stated that in his role pm calm/clam were interchangeable, since he did not know which one he was. It is probably safe to assume the other vet also got the same PM. Since there is another vet, if they remain silent, it is most likely a confirmation that what artanis said is correct, and that he really is vet. If Artanis IS lying about his role, I would urge the other vet to tell us. However, while saying this, I also want to note that roleclaiming as the second vet may not be a good idea at this point. You would paint yourself as a prime target for MC. Anyway, if artanis is correct about his role PM, vet stay silent. If he is lying, sorry for the WIFOM, then real vet, you get to make a decision. | ||
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On November 15 2010 04:23 deconduo wrote: Just fyi, mafia have a copy of all role PMs. Wait wtf, seriously? | ||
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Although we dont have the role PMs O.o | ||
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##VOTE: No one | ||
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So this is how the last night went: Claims: Pandain protected himself that night. LSB says kenpachi visited artanis and pandain. Coag claims doctor, protected LSB. Glasse = shrink, saved LSB night 2. Now here is the interesting part. So we have a disreptancy between Glasse and Pandain's claims. Now what is extremely feasibly possible is that Glasse is yakuza, and kenpachi actually MCed LSB. What has made me notice this POSSIBILITY is that we cannot be sure LSB is actually still one of us. What we need to know is if pandain and/or glasse are telling the truth. So heres how I think we should go. Lynch pandain. Then, we know if glasse really is the shrink or not. If pandain flips blue, we immediately lynch Glasse and LSB. If pandain flips red, artanis and glasse are confirmed. In LSB's post above me, it is not noted that he may have been converted, instead of pandain. I think that the best course of action is to lynch pandain. If he flips blue, we immediately take out glasse/LSB. If he flips red, we got rid of one of the reds, and we have 1 less person to worry about, as well as buying ourselves much more time to find the second red. ##Vote: Pandain Sorry dude, but if ur town know that your death was not in vain. | ||
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I need to remember to bold my votes :/ | ||
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On November 18 2010 10:37 Pandain wrote: impossible. Doctor would have had to protect glasse for that to work. And Coag would therefore have to be lying. And in that scenario there would be 3 mafia(coag, lsb,glasse) when only two could be possibe. Why would doctor have to protect glasse for this to work? | ||
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##Vote Coagulation And if he flips blue, there will be hell to pay (although we probably lsot) | ||
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On November 18 2010 12:42 Glasse wrote: no, we are lynching him because pandain did an action on night 1. and only me(flash) pandain(medic) lsb(tracker) could leave. pandain was the medic and coag is just lying, now that pandain can't counter claim since its his teamate Pandain fucking claimed flash. why the fuck are we lynching the only person who claimed medic. | ||
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I follow your logic completely. (Not sarcastic) Yes, I support coag as lynch. | ||
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Its ridiculously obvious its your pandain; unless mafia has some weird bus role that we do not know about, or if LSB lied to us, which is most likely not, it is you. I dont understand why we would even want to keep this debate going, its obviously you  | ||
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On November 19 2010 10:05 Pandain wrote: I hope your silence is indicative that you just simply haven't read thread to realize I'm shrink, because as you stand I'm really pissed. i need to go calm down. I want your reasons why you think I'm mafia, any reasons at all. I haven't heard any. You have a major fallacy in your arguement. If kenpachi had tried to convert you and you protected yourself, OBVIOUSLY there would be one mafia left. Since we lynched coag and one mafia IS left, its obviously you. | ||
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On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote: Point taken. However, then obviously no one was converted. So you're still lying, eh? Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about. Pandain, if noone was converted, the game would have ended. Its really obvious you're mafia. | ||
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On November 19 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote: Man frickin use your mind. No one was converted because glasse is mafia. Let me lay this out for you. Night two:Glasse mc's coag coag protects glasse Kenpachi fails to convert me, dies. Glasse gets coag lynched so then he can get to late game basically confirmed and get me lynched. Night three they hit lsb because they can't let him reveal that glasse is mafia. omfg That reasoning is extremely far-fetched. Are you telling me that coag would rather protect a RANDOM person than LSB, who had claimed? Kenpachi visiting you before he committed suicide is enough proof its you. Although Glasse, I'd like to note that both mafia ARE able to MC on the same day | ||
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On November 19 2010 11:41 KtheZ wrote: That reasoning is extremely far-fetched. Are you telling me that coag would rather protect a RANDOM person than LSB, who had claimed? Kenpachi visiting you before he committed suicide is enough proof its you. Although Glasse, I'd like to note that both mafia ARE able to MC on the same day Wait this isnt even RIGHT. Coag was shown to be YAKUZA (there probably would be a diff name if he was a converted person) | ||
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Plus, if you really were yourself, why would you conveniently decide to protect yourself when it was vital that LSB remain town? In fact, didnt you read my posts in the beginning that it probably is better for shrink to get MCed rather than doctor or detective? | ||
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On November 19 2010 11:55 Pandain wrote: I've already explained this. I was pretty likely to be MCED(had caught kenpachi, most likely they wouldn't LSB because they would figure he would be protected like the first night) in addition, it isn't good for shrink to be mced. it's better than tracker or doctor. | ||
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Also, you're spamming like INSANE, like how you did in INSANE mafia. Either you're greedily trying to increase your post count or you are just trying to clutter up the already long message board, noticing that I (and other people) sometimes neglect to read long ass walls of text. | ||
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On November 19 2010 12:26 Pandain wrote: I'm fuckin spamming because I'm about to die. And I always spam anyways, ask anyone. It's something I'm working on, but me about to die certainly doesn't help. so is that your argument? The first sentence has been proven irrelevant, as that assumes I am lying. so circular reasoning, I'm lying because I'm lying. How the hell has the first sentence been proven irrelevant? The fact that kenpachi visited you when you died is the greatest piece of evidence of all. It outweighs all other pieces of evidence and puts a absofuckinglutely HUGE FoS on you. An absofuckinglutely HUGE FoS. And you're trying to explain how we are left with 1 mafia left, who is glasse, and explaining this through an intricate explanation of how coag protect glasse (for no reason at all), and then glasse converts coag, and kenpachi fails in conversion, and then we are left with 2 mafia again? I find the probability of this extremely low. What I find to be more probably is you lying. | ||
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On November 19 2010 12:35 Pandain wrote: You assume that proves I'm mafia because I'm not shrink. But if I'm not shrink, I'm mafia. So your using circular reasoning to prove that. again, I protected myself. Seriously KtheZ... I assume you are mafia because kenpachi visited you. I believe much more that you WERE converted rather than believe the whole chain of events that you say led up to the situation now. Nothing you say is verifiable, but looking at the only solid piece of evidence we have, that kenpachi DID visit you when he committed suicide, puts the FoS on you. I don't need your condescending remarks to tell me who to vote for. | ||
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Your hundreds of dropped arguments, as well as you unrelentless and hypocritical hounding of Glasse to prove himself when you silently drop many arguments made against you, make me think you are mafia. Glasse voted for mafia both times. Would a mafia really bus his allies TWICE? | ||
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I will not unvote you now. Day doesnt even end till you vote, so you have plenty of time to explain yourself, but take this word of warning: My mafia senses are tingling! | ||
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I'll take the next 25 mins to read through the posting and tell myself which one of you are mafia. | ||
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instead of posting nice, long analysis and having insightful posts (which he did before kenpachi), pandain instead turn to tons UPON TONS OF POSTS that flooded pages and were designed only to assault glasse. Plus, I noticed something. Coag first voted for pandain, but unvoted and changed instead to Glasse on page 26. Yup, I'm convinced its pandain. really sorry man, if i'm wrong. Lets stop debating and see the results. Glasse, lets do this. ##Vote pandain | ||
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I don't trust your debate too much, although I do put it into consideration. The reason I don't really enjoy the debate you guys had is that it was far, FAR too hard to follow. As much as I enjoy reading these forums, reading your debate and then having to search for a huge amount of posts really takes away from the analysis that I can produce. These are several pro town posts glasse has had that you ignored. shouldnt the town also have a copy then? it would help a lot with this clam thing In this quote, he is asking for deconduo for the town to have the role pm list also, instead of just mafia. This is a pro-town action. can you really vote for no one? also i would not do that, it makes it much easier to manipulate a vote for mafia if over half of the town doesnt even vote Warns town against no-lynch daytimes, in concurrence with Dr.H (who was town) and other people. Seems pro-town, but mafia also advocated this, so this i'll call neutral. Another thing I have to note: Votes: No Lynch (3) KtheZ LSB kenpachi Dr. H (2) youngminii Coagulation Pandain (1) Dr. H Kenpachi (1) Glasse Coagulation (1) Artanis Yet to vote: Pandain Voting ends in just under 8 hours. To clarify some more voting rules: -The person with the most votes will get lynched (not the majority, sorry). This includes 'No One' -If there is a tie, then no one will be lynched. Glasse voted kenpachi when there were 3 people voting No-vote, ans 0 votes weres on youngminii. However, youngminii actually was lynched. Glasse voted for kenpachi when there was no definitive evidence pointing at anyone, but then a bandwagon formed out of nowhere and hit youngminii. Glasse's vote DID matter, in fact. Him voting a mafia that early was a pro-town indication, since no mafia would vote for themselves when NOBODY HAD VOTED FOR ANYONE ELSE YET. I dont understand how you can call his vote irrelevant, when it could have made a HUGE difference, because he was right. In fact, this then happened Votes: No Lynch (3) KtheZ LSB kenpachi Dr. H (2) youngminii Coagulation Kenpachi (2) Pandain Glasse Coagulation (1) Artanis Youngminii (1) Dr. H And kenpachi was one of the leading figures for lynch, yet once again somehow youngminii was lynched with 1 vote. What I'm trying to say is that Glasse voting for kenpachi actually IS indicative of his pro-town status, and it actually DID matter in the lynch process. Had glasse voted kenpachi at the last second, then I would have considered it a bus, but since he voted him in the very beginning, it is not. End result: youngminii (4) <----- SOMEHOW GAINED 3 VOTES Coagulation Dr. H kenpachi LSB kenpachi (2) Pandain Glasse Coagulation (1) Artanis Dr. H (1) youngminii No Lynch (1) kthez And this is what bugs me the most. You said that from this i just dont have anything important to say :3 SORRY! He was obviously pro-mafia, but if you would read maybe 1 or 2 posts after: i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. He DID contribute. This MAY be continued. | ||
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On November 20 2010 13:23 Pandain wrote: If KtheZ realizes your mafia, then even if he unvotes it'll be 1v1. Dude, its not about winning or losing the game. It's about setting yourself in the future. It's called busing, it happens all the time. you denying that just makes it all the more obvious. KtheZ, I have one request of you. For now, unvote me, so I can vote glasse safely. Than I plead you, I beg of you, to actually read everything,and I know, I know somehow deep in my heart that you'll see my side. I don't care if it seems hopeless, I have faith, because I know I'm right. But right now, even if you do see, then you can't change the outcome. That's why I want you to unvote me, and finally, after thinking it through well, vote. But now it seems it'll just be impossible, so that's why I'm pleading you. You do realize that is kind of play puts extreme pressure on me right? Let's just end this game and see if you really are mafia. I'm not buying it, and I do not wish to change the decision that I have made for myself. Seriously man, pleading is unreasonable at this point in the game. There is no reason for me to unvote if i'm just going to vote for you again. (Which i just did) I did read the debate, but I still feel that the mafia is you. I have thought it through well, and I feel that trying to make me feel emotional about my actions will not change my mind. This may be sort of a dickmove, but with all seriousness, asking me to be empathetic in this topic is kind of useless, since seriously, it could all be a mafia ploy for all I know. I am not being stubborn. I have read through all the posts and I have chosen you. Simply saying that since I did not change my vote, I am stubborn, is wrong. Look, I'm really sorry if you're town, and I AM a simple noob who is playing his second game, but right now I feel that it is you, and I have heeded your words and read through what you have asked me to. I still think its you. Even with this emotional outburst trying to make me feel bad, I still think its you. | ||
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Votes locked means we cant change it right? | ||
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Mindfucked right now. | ||
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Your arguments did make me think and.... WASTED LIKE 4 HOURS OF MY LIFE but I basically was already convinced from the beginning. | ||
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On November 20 2010 14:38 LSB wrote: Dude usually lylo I just vote and AFK for a reason  I felt it was kind of disrespectful to not listen to anything they type after they spent so much effort into it. However, that probably is what pandain was trying to make me do | ||
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