Don't lose yo village! - Page 38

On November 20 2010 04:41 Pandain wrote:

Back up those statements.

Anyway... time to prove my innocence.

Please read this whole post

Why it is more likely Glasse is mafia than me.

Right now, the only thing glasse has to “prove” as a possible mafia is the fact that kenpachi tried to convert me. And now you KtheZ has been saying that “its more likely your just lying rather than that coag actually protected glasse”. But is it? Here you will see that it’s really not.
Why is my story more likely than glasses? Because if you believe my story, everything fits. If you believe glasse, nothing does.

actually if you listen to your own arguments about that scum guide you read, most of what you are doing is following that guide

If you believe glasse, than why would coag(who he claims has been my scum buddy) vote me SO QUICKLY after lsb tracked kenpachi. LSB said it right, coag would have waited if we were linked).
But if you believe me, it makes perfect sense. Perfect opportunity to try to frame me as scum.

you were trying to prove that i was mafia due to me voting for the 2 other dead mafias before, remember that?


If you believe glasse, then why would he protect himself night one when he was in no real danger

technically i was in more danger than the possibly fake detective, who was most likely to be protected to the eyes of mafia, which yourself, said previously.

If you believe me, it makes perfect sense. I was doing what the town had already decided, that LSB was indeed confirmed and must be protected.

yea, you did protect him as medic, and see what happened? someone else got shot, because mafia knew the doctor and me would probably protect him. Now if i look back in time i should probably have shrunk a vet instead of me, but at that time i just wanted to make sure i don't end up on mafia

If you believe me, then it makes perfect sense why glasse voted coag.
If you believe glasse, then why wouldn’t I have done the same.

yea it makes sense, he was a confirmed mafia which we picked by having you fake claim, him lying about being doctor, kthez claiming bulletproof and other game events which lead to coag and you being the 2 mafia left, i don't really get the second part, it just sounds like you are trying to confuse us

If you believe me, it makes perfect sense why I stated that coag was mafia.
If you believe glasse, it doesn’t.

?? explain

If you believe me, it makes perfect sense why coag acted so insincere when being voted by glasse, because it was planned.
If you believe glasse, you are going even farther into speculation, that me and coag planned that, even though I later said coag was 100% mafia.

he acted insincere? so him just right out posting hes mafia after hes obviously dead is not being sincere and somewhat stupid like he always play?

no, if you believe pandain you go farther into speculation actually. assuming that the red name wouldnt change, when it obviously would is one part of it. i made lists and proved em with actions that previously happened


If you believe me, my night actions make perfect sense.
If you believe glasse, they don’t.

my night actions don't make sense? how so? i explained it countless times and it make sense. that is just being mad because i was right by thinking lsb wouldnt be hit and you wasted your doctor night action

If you believe me, it makes pefect sense why glasse tried to lay suscipcion on doctor h while youngminii was deciding who to shoot.
If you believe glasse, it makes no sense why he would do that and later say kenpachi shouldv’e been shot.
If you believe me, it makes pefect sense

he wasnt deciding who to shoot when i said that, was he? and of course i would be suspicious of drh, if you would ahve fucking read why i did which i explained tons of time but you keep "forgetting" it on purpose

if you are believed about what?

If you believe me, you are voting because or reason, because of informed decisions, because of analysis and because of the foundations of scum hunting, the same which led me to pin kenpachi.
If you believe glasse, you are relying on one statement, one that I am proving doesn’t make me more likely mafia as he loves to claim, you are relying on flawed arguments and unverifiable justificatiosn.
Furthormore, there is no proof that Glasse is actually shrink other than that he claimed. Let me say that again, there is no verification of his claim. But LSB tracked me night one, and saw that I visited him. Glasse now claims I must’ve been a converted doctor, but why would coag have claimed that? Think about it, coag claiming doctor(if he was already converted) makes perfect sense, he would know no other person had that. everythin fits together with my story

i owned you on those points already yesterday night.

Glasse says that the fact he voted for kenpachi proves he’s innocent. But what I’ve been saying, and he fails to counter, is the fact that that placed kenpachi in no real danger, that voting him simply could gain and not lose, so really that proves nothing. In fact, once you take the fact that Glasse says he wanted kenpachi to be shot, but the only thing he said was that Dr. H was probably hiding something(YM was going to shoot kenpachi/dr. h), everything fits together with my story:Glasse is mafia.

see coag's instant vote on pandain

It is not unlikely at all that my story is true. I have verification of my role, while glasse’s claim of shrink is backed only by his word.

you don't have proof, you have proof that you are either doctor or shrink, not that you are shrink, which i said more than once as well

Since there is no real way to confirm who is mafia, YOU MUST LOOK AT ANALYSIS.
You must see that glasse DOES NOT want that to happen, he wants to just vote without letting debate happen(like he already did.) He has used unverifiable claims(I was afk) and bad reasoning(see above) and his defense boils down to: “Your scummy, but I won’t say why.” What has glasse proven about me?
Nothing.


dude the debate is happening, this is just trying to push him to do something he doesnt want to do

He has not analyzed me(wonder why)
He has not responded after I decimated his response to my analysis.

i didnt even see it, i'll go back

Note that I always win the debates, and I firmly believe the truth always wins, because scum must resort to assumptions while I am backed by facts. my story fits, Glasse’s does not .

rofl, i feel like i said something like that previously and you are trying to turn it back on me, how cute

Everything makes sense according to my story
-Glasse votes coag because it was actually the best option
-LSB tracked me to him because I protected him as shrink
-Coag voted me so early because they wanted to get me lynched
-I said coag was 100% mafia before he was suddenly killed because I am town.
-Glasse said Dr. H was trying to hide something(later says kenpachi should’ve been shot, yet didn’t say anything then)
-Glasse said LSB was not confirmed, and even to the previous day has been insuting he was possibly mafia.
Glasse has been playing anti town from the start, proven by my analysis, from signs of feeling inherent guilt to suggesting doctor should RNG(probably got coag to too :/).
Note how our debates always have ended with me winning, except for those 3 things I admit don’t PROVE he’s mafia 100%(he can’t respond to the other 10 of course.) But Glasse doesn’t admit anything, as if he doesn’t want to. Glasse still is saying I’m “confirmed” mafia, and spouting that nonsense for this whole day. And it took me forever just to prove he was bsing all that. Note that our debates always end with me finally slamming down the basic foundatiosn of his argument, and then he just says “I don’t want to argue…” ITS BECAUSE HE CANT.

I hope this shows why I am the real shrink, how everything fits together if you belive me and things don’t if you believe him. Please, remember, no one is confirmed to be one alignment or another, analysis must and will come into play no matter how much he doesn’t want that to happen.

herp derp bunch of shit i already denied

On November 20 2010 04:41 Pandain wrote:

Back up those statements.

Anyway... time to prove my innocence.

Please read this whole post

Why it is more likely Glasse is mafia than me.

Right now, the only thing glasse has to “prove” as a possible mafia is the fact that kenpachi tried to convert me. And now you KtheZ has been saying that “its more likely your just lying rather than that coag actually protected glasse”. But is it? Here you will see that it’s really not.
Why is my story more likely than glasses? Because if you believe my story, everything fits. If you believe glasse, nothing does.

actually if you listen to your own arguments about that scum guide you read, most of what you are doing is following that guide
way to say nothing
If you believe glasse, than why would coag(who he claims has been my scum buddy) vote me SO QUICKLY after lsb tracked kenpachi. LSB said it right, coag would have waited if we were linked).
But if you believe me, it makes perfect sense. Perfect opportunity to try to frame me as scum.

you were trying to prove that i was mafia due to me voting for the 2 other dead mafias before, remember that?

I'm showing it doesn't make you innocent, in fact it might make sense. Don't twist my words
If you believe glasse, then why would he protect himself night one when he was in no real danger

technically i was in more danger than the possibly fake detective, who was most likely to be protected to the eyes of mafia, which yourself, said previously.
Again, there was no chance he was fake. Furthormore, of course you wouldn't. Why would they try to convert you , not dr. h, not lsb, not even me. why would they convert you.


If you believe me, it makes perfect sense. I was doing what the town had already decided, that LSB was indeed confirmed and must be protected.

yea, you did protect him as medic, and see what happened? someone else got shot, because mafia knew the doctor and me would probably protect him. Now if i look back in time i should probably have shrunk a vet instead of me, but at that time i just wanted to make sure i don't end up on mafia
Again, it makes sense if coag was detective. And again, why would they try to hit you. You're not doing what a real shrink would do.

If you believe me, then it makes perfect sense why glasse voted coag.
If you believe glasse, then why wouldn’t I have done the same.

yea it makes sense, he was a confirmed mafia which we picked by having you fake claim, him lying about being doctor, kthez claiming bulletproof and other game events which lead to coag and you being the 2 mafia left, i don't really get the second part, it just sounds like you are trying to confuse us
Or it makes sense because then you can get to late game and tout that your confirmed when your not, and then get me lynched

If you believe me, it makes perfect sense why I stated that coag was mafia.
If you believe glasse, it doesn’t.

?? explain
I said coag was mafia, before he got killed. I said he was CERTAINLY mafia.

If you believe me, it makes perfect sense why coag acted so insincere when being voted by glasse, because it was planned.
If you believe glasse, you are going even farther into speculation, that me and coag planned that, even though I later said coag was 100% mafia.

he acted insincere? so him just right out posting hes mafia after hes obviously dead is not being sincere and somewhat stupid like he always play?

no, if you believe pandain you go farther into speculation actually. assuming that the red name wouldnt change, when it obviously would is one part of it. i made lists and proved em with actions that previously happened

that was probably sincere because i could see him doing that. Why would we have him come out and claim mafia if we were scum buddies? Furthormore, its in the rules.

If you believe me, my night actions make perfect sense.
If you believe glasse, they don’t.

my night actions don't make sense? how so? i explained it countless times and it make sense. that is just being mad because i was right by thinking lsb wouldnt be hit and you wasted your doctor night action
Again, you were in no danger to get shot. Why would you have protected yourself? WHY. And you kept claiming that LSB was possibly mafia, when it was obvious he was not.
If you believe me, it makes pefect sense why glasse tried to lay suscipcion on doctor h while youngminii was deciding who to shoot.
If you believe glasse, it makes no sense why he would do that and later say kenpachi shouldv’e been shot.
If you believe me, it makes pefect sense

he wasnt deciding who to shoot when i said that, was he? and of course i would be suspicious of drh, if you would ahve fucking read why i did which i explained tons of time but you keep "forgetting" it on purpose

if you are believed about what?
Of course he was deciding. Caught in a lie here. And I'm not forgetting anything. Isn't it convienant you happen to not accuse kenpachi, but lay suscipcion on dr. h during this critical time, but you had seemed to oppose kenpachi beforehands?
If you believe me, you are voting because or reason, because of informed decisions, because of analysis and because of the foundations of scum hunting, the same which led me to pin kenpachi.
If you believe glasse, you are relying on one statement, one that I am proving doesn’t make me more likely mafia as he loves to claim, you are relying on flawed arguments and unverifiable justificatiosn.
Furthormore, there is no proof that Glasse is actually shrink other than that he claimed. Let me say that again, there is no verification of his claim. But LSB tracked me night one, and saw that I visited him. Glasse now claims I must’ve been a converted doctor, but why would coag have claimed that? Think about it, coag claiming doctor(if he was already converted) makes perfect sense, he would know no other person had that. everythin fits together with my story

i owned you on those points already yesterday night.
Lol... you may want to read it again. It ended when I demolished the foundation of your "proof" that I'm scum: that mafia can both mc.

Glasse says that the fact he voted for kenpachi proves he’s innocent. But what I’ve been saying, and he fails to counter, is the fact that that placed kenpachi in no real danger, that voting him simply could gain and not lose, so really that proves nothing. In fact, once you take the fact that Glasse says he wanted kenpachi to be shot, but the only thing he said was that Dr. H was probably hiding something(YM was going to shoot kenpachi/dr. h), everything fits together with my story:Glasse is mafia.

see coag's instant vote on pandain
exactly. Why would he do that.

It is not unlikely at all that my story is true. I have verification of my role, while glasse’s claim of shrink is backed only by his word.

you don't have proof, you have proof that you are either doctor or shrink, not that you are shrink, which i said more than once as well
More than you have, no? You see, what you don't want KtheZ to realize is that I have more proof that I'm actually the real shrink than you, who has just your word.

Since there is no real way to confirm who is mafia, YOU MUST LOOK AT ANALYSIS.
You must see that glasse DOES NOT want that to happen, he wants to just vote without letting debate happen(like he already did.) He has used unverifiable claims(I was afk) and bad reasoning(see above) and his defense boils down to: “Your scummy, but I won’t say why.” What has glasse proven about me?
Nothing.


dude the debate is happening, this is just trying to push him to do something he doesnt want to do
What
He has not analyzed me(wonder why)
He has not responded after I decimated his response to my analysis.

i didnt even see it, i'll go back
sure

Note that I always win the debates, and I firmly believe the truth always wins, because scum must resort to assumptions while I am backed by facts. my story fits, Glasse’s does not .

rofl, i feel like i said something like that previously and you are trying to turn it back on me, how cute
I have been winning the debate, you always end with "I don't want to debate" or "Screw you".
Everything makes sense according to my story

-Glasse votes coag because it was actually the best option
-LSB tracked me to him because I protected him as shrink
-Coag voted me so early because they wanted to get me lynched
-I said coag was 100% mafia before he was suddenly killed because I am town.
-Glasse said Dr. H was trying to hide something(later says kenpachi should’ve been shot, yet didn’t say anything then)
-Glasse said LSB was not confirmed, and even to the previous day has been insuting he was possibly mafia.
Glasse has been playing anti town from the start, proven by my analysis, from signs of feeling inherent guilt to suggesting doctor should RNG(probably got coag to too :/).
Note how our debates always have ended with me winning, except for those 3 things I admit don’t PROVE he’s mafia 100%(he can’t respond to the other 10 of course.) But Glasse doesn’t admit anything, as if he doesn’t want to. Glasse still is saying I’m “confirmed” mafia, and spouting that nonsense for this whole day. And it took me forever just to prove he was bsing all that. Note that our debates always end with me finally slamming down the basic foundatiosn of his argument, and then he just says “I don’t want to argue…” ITS BECAUSE HE CANT.

I hope this shows why I am the real shrink, how everything fits together if you belive me and things don’t if you believe him. Please, remember, no one is confirmed to be one alignment or another, analysis must and will come into play no matter how much he doesn’t want that to happen.

herp derp bunch of shit i already denied
Denied, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.

On November 20 2010 06:33 Glasse wrote:
oh also, your assumption is that i am original mafia and coag is doctor right?

coag said he protected lsb both times.

if he protected lsb both times i would have been dead if i converted coagulation

i feel like this is a nail in the coffin. i couldnt think at the end of the night yesterday because i was annoyed and tired, which you could easily see and tried to pressure me even more trying to make me post not completely mafia proof posts

On November 19 2010 05:21 Pandain wrote:
Why Glasse's claim of shrink does not fit(Also an Analysis of his posts)
Summary: glasse has not played pro town this game. He has offered poor advice, has played scummily, made contradictions, and says to have performed actions which simply do not make sense. Dr. H was right when he pinned Glasse/kenpachi as the mafia team. I urge you to read this post, and not just skim it, as I bring up very good points here.
His Posts:


First post and it already bodes ill for him. Note his relunctance to roleclaim. Now, its obvious he feels that doctors/shrinks shouldn't roleclaim, because bad things can happen. Yet he claims he's shrink almost immediately after I reveal I'm shrink. That doesn't add up.
Also note he calls shrink "that other thing." doesn't he know the role if he is it?

Obviously i fucking instantly roleclaimed, i felt like the fact that everyone thought he was confirmed because no one counter claimed would of worked my way, i instantly posted when i saw your comment because i was excited we confirmed a mafia member. Also, an easy way to make people think i'm not flash is to not even know how to call it
So then
1.Why would you thought another person wouldn't have claimed when LSB did(thus confirming him
2.But here you said they shouldn't, you at the very least showed strong relunctance to roleclaim. But merely one minute later you roleclaim, showing no hesitation.

one minute later? more like 2 game days later. things change with time you know? it was good for me to claim when i did because then i could prove you are 100% the last mafia
One minute after I claimed, I'm talking about. Again, you can say "oh i changed my opinion", but that is a very easy excuse to make, and I don't buy it. Especially when you say no one would counter claim LSB for this reason, yet you do. Doesn't add up.

Clarifies rules.

First post against LSB(who has been revealed Town tracker.) Says that he could just be really a mafia who fake claimed tracker(despite the fact if the real tracker claimed that plan would be ruined.) So this statement is very leaning towards anti town, especially since LSB has already said he's confirmed because no other tracker has claimed. Ends with spam.

So you are avoiding my whole argument i did with you a couple pages ago to point this out AGAIN because it can help you in a way. No, he was not 100% confirmed and i explained why before. If the real detective didnt want to claim yet incase he would die and/or cause chaos to town
I'm not avoiding your argument. I'm pointint out inconsitincies. Like here you disagree with the previous post. In the case where you were a real shrink, why would you immediately claim if you caught a fake claim(hypothetical me), yet think that this person wouldn't?
And why would it matter if he dies if he caught a mafia

i've been pointing out inconsistencies. And like i just answered to the last part, 2 game days = different plays are good. it would matter if he died because a detective day 2 and 3 can still be really helpful and he has even more chances of finding something good
You've pointed out nothing. Nothing about me. Again, anyone can say "my opinions changed" if caught in a contradiction, but it still points towards your true alignment. And a shrink isn't good?



Later says its obvious he always role claims fast, which contradicts as mentioned previously and with this statement.

i like how you only remember things that helps you try to down me lol. the way i post and myself roleclaiming fast don't really mean the same thing, Also i wanted to be jaedong, fuck flash :3

of course i do, because then I can find mafia.

that's like the worst answer in history of bad answers, also remember that irl, when a killer remembers exactly everything he did on a given night where he is suspected, he is always a lot more suspicious than the guy that forget stuff because it feels planned, just like you right now
Ya, because if i know your scum i should just find all the reasons you might seem pro town. I see...



And this doesn't help :/



VERY ANTI TOWN. First, as already noted, shrink had to have protected LSB because he was confirmed, and tracker. Note that Glasse's claimed reason for not protecting LSB was that "he was not confirmed." Going further, why would Glasse protect himself? Did he really think he was in danger of being MCed?
Furthormore, he now claims this proves he DID protect himself night one. However, all it really proves is that he has been anti town in his "shrink" actions. So that doesn't even add up.
In addition having the doctor rng was a very bad idea. Mafia, as long as their not dumb, will never rng. Kills always have a purpose. Even worse, having the doctor RNG was even worse(doesn't protect LSB[wtf], can protect mafia, doesn't use noggin).

bringing this up again, jesus fucking christ, i explained it earlier in my answers. he was not 100% confirmed, i was not necessarily in danger of getting mc'd i just thought it'd be a better choice to keep myself as town instead of another random person that could have ended up being mafia as well. Also you really like to press on that "rng is dumb for doctor" because you really thought about it AS YOU WERE THE DOCTOR AT THAT POINT and disagree with me on that point\
Same point as above. But again, why would you be in danger of being Mced? And if you protected a mafia, nothing bad would happen. And you weren't going to die(unless mafia were extra weird for some reason), so why would you protect yourself?
I don't have to be doctor to now that a doctor rnging his protection is pretty anti town.

i answered this tons of times, not doing it again because you "forget".
Your answers lack those of a townie's perspective.



Says to lynch the expierenced people....

yea, the reason why i said it is true, i wouldnt want to lynch you early because your abilities to analyse suck
I caught kenpachi...caught you



says he is against not voting.

of course, 2 kills per mafia a night is fucking dangerous, i'd rather take a chance and maybe catch one. and if you look, i voted kenpachi which ended up being an actual mafia
This wasn't accusing you actually lol. This was actually something pro town that you did!

randomly voting for lurker like i do every game isnt pro town, you are saying it is because right now it makes you look better
Wait, so your saying your not pro town?





Goes against previous statement, votes for Kenpachi. Now, this may seem very "pro town" at first, seeing as kenpachi later turned out to be scum. But let's go in detail about this vote, and why in reality it put kenpachi in no danger. At that time, that was the very first vote for kenpachi. THE VERY FIRST VOTE. The votes to lynch no one was ahead by two votes, and doctor h had two votes. I was the only one who had to vote. Mafia go against other mafia all the time to lend town cred for later stages of the game. Ace did it hardcore against me in insane mafia, as well as RoL. Rather than take the actions at face value, what you have to do is go beyond and see what they really meant. As in, did they have any true effect? This vote, at that time, did not. It was merely giving him "brownie points" when really kenpachi was in no real danger.

Now, glasse never posted after this vote. I think it's a safe assumption to assume he did not come back until at least after I voted for kenpachi(which it was still safe for kenpachi.) Kenpachi was never in any real danger, therefore glasse's vote for him does not confirm him.


wait how the fuck am i going against my previous statement, i was AGAINST voting for no one. Also 21h KST is around when i usually leave for college i think, so thats why i came back later

maybe he wasnt in real danger, that's true, but he could have been as i left after i voted and it could have ended badly
My bad, I concede. Still, that really wasn't a main point. Now respond to the other 10 contradictions. Now your appealing to speculation, "well...maybe..." is common argument for scum when their lying.





Already adressed as glasse hardly tried to get kenpachi lynched. Says he doesn't want people to know what he's thinking(what).

i thought what drh said in insane mafia was true, telling everything you know to everyone can often harm the town more than it can help
But not at all?

wat? he explained it very well at the begining of this game and i thought it made sense
I'm talking about you -.-



Apologizing for not contributing. Again, note that this is how I caught kenpachi(in addition to other things.) This just reeks of inherent guilt, apologizing for not contributing.


yea, i felt bad for not helping the town, if you really thought what you just said is true you would have said it earlier, not now where you desperatly need to prove i'm mafia to get your mafia win. I WONT FUCKING LET YOU WIN TWICE IN A ROW and if i was mafia you could be 100% sure i would have fucking killed you night 1 because i hate you
Again, if you felt bad why didn't you help? And what are you talking about, this is the first time I'm really analyzing you, and trust me, town is gonna win this one.

yea we are about to win right now, thanks to your useless pressure you are trying to put on us to force us to believe you arent mafia. also i suck at helping when i cant easily back myself up with proven stuff like i am doing right now
First of all, pressure is never useless. Don't say me proving your scum is not to be done. And furthormore, you still can't back yourself up with proven stuff, and you still can't. Are you still really going to try to push that I'm "confirmed mafia?"




Now, this does mean something. What's happening right now? YM is dead, and he was going to either (in most liklihood) shoot kenpachi or Dr. H. Now, glasse finally comes in, and puts suscipcion on dr. h. So this actually DOES mean something. Also note dr. h was town.

yea, i dont remember drh posting posts as big as this one before to prove a point that could have been proven in a much shorter way, i thought he was trying to hide something, which i also explained later
Because by posting alot, your hiding something. I see. *sacrcasm*

posting a lot =/= posting a huge fucking 30 page long essay. but then if you go by your logic, you are posting quite a whole lot right now, which i'm just answering
That was sarcasm


Alright, wtf. why didn't you say this before. Now, I now previously you were responding to how you felt about me vs dr. h, but seriously this kind of stuff is important. Also note this is AFTER Dr. H was already shot, so he can say whatever he says he "felt" really :/.

what i said about drh wasnt a fucking accusation, it was a suspicion, my vote was still on kenpachi because he was lurking way 2 much
Of course, why would you outright accuse him. You can be scum and lay suscipcion on someone without actually accusing them. Stop taking my points, and taking them to the extreme so their not true. And btw this was after YM was already lynched, so kenpachi vote didn't matter

i answered why i thought drh could have been red countless times now, stop "forgetting" it
I'm not forgetting it, I've bringing it up. I'm pointing out not that you laid suscipcion on dr. h, but that you did that while failing to give your opinion on kenpachi when he was ACTUALLY in danger. Instead, you just tried to incriminate Dr. H.



Yes, and it wasn't you. Note that this really just shows he's not flash, that that was just a spur of the moment decision to combat my claim as flash. Note that how would this work since he claims he protected LSB night two. Doesn't add up.

nope, no one was protected by flash, as it was also explained to me later, lsb found out that you were visited. i thought kenpachi had suicided on lsb at first, so i was really fucking happy.
There's no way to prove whether or not this is true so I'll leave it at that.

ok




Again, if he's flash couldn't he protect from the "evil pandain?" Also note he hasn't voted for me either, so he's saying and not doing.

herp derp durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i don't have 100% chance to pick the same target as mafia with my shrink
Again, taking it to the extreme. If you were telling the truth, why not just have LSB track me, and if I was mafia, you could see who i Mced.

you got converted night 2, he didnt live night 3 so he couldnt track you. also converted mafia cant convert
Your right. This actually helps my side, I don't know mafia rules as well as you do =D



Claims he's flash.


Now let's analyze these choices. Now, obviously protecting himself night one for the reasons he did was very anti town. And why would he protect LSB if he was still unsure of his alignment? In addition, why would he protect himself night one.
1.Did he really think mafia would try to sacrifice one of their own to get him?(you might be pretty decent but your not incognito or something)
2.Did he really think HE was more likely to get Mced than LSB, or even Artanis/Dr. H?(or i, but I'm not as amazing)
These choices just don't fit.

night 1 wasnt anti town, i explained it many times
i realize stuff while im typing a post and i realized lsb still wasnt 100% and i had protected him, which could've been bad
oh and about night 2, i really thought about shrinking artanis instead of lsb, because they are both good and i ended up picking lsb

It was anti town. Respond to the core argument, you were in no danger, so why would you protect yourself. And now you admit your second protection was bad(even though it was actually good since LSB WAS confirmed, see earlier. The last sentence is irrelevant.

nope, it was not anti town at all, i also answered this many times, which you conveniently "forgot"
Again, I'm not forgetting. You're just not answering, or you fail to respond to my reasons why this or that points to you as scum. Like even here you fail to respond to arguments where I have won. And again, this WAS anti town. Protecting yourself when you were in no danger, why would any real shrink do that?




This doesn't fit either. So he isn't sure of LSB's alignment even now(yet protected him the previous night), and thinks he found a mafia(me) because of what LSB(who he doesn't know is confirmed) says? Sorry if that's worded weird. But furthormore, LSB is obviously confirmed.

o hai i just answered this, sometimes i realize stuff while im posting, or right after
a bit after i also realized there was no way he wasnt detective
Respond above.

yep, i sure did
koo beans



Thus begins his great "proof" of being shrink, that you guys shouldn't believe me. The second sentence, read it. "Who cares if I went against the town consensus". That is a VERY mafia-esque statement. going furthor, here he reveals he didn't protect LSB because he didn't think LSB was town(at the very least not neccesarily).



Why would you have to ask this if your the real shrink? If you were real(and thus I fake), you would already know.

because if you didnt leave your house, you were bulletproof (which kthez is) and if you did leave, you were doctor (and you are), at that point i was making my list that i posted shortly after
Would it matter if I was mafia?

if you left your house because you were mafia, kthez has to be doctor and not bulletproof, which doesnt make sense
ah, so you were trying to find the other's roles. I guess that might seem fishy, but you could just be trying to help find the roles. So this is interperet able.

On November 20 2010 07:34 Pandain wrote:



Stop trying to make situations that aren't there. Coag was mafia, mafia lies. If he had said he protected you, you would've been revealed.

On November 20 2010 08:32 Pandain wrote:
he is doctor and mafia, what are you talking about.

Your arugments are devolving even more, but keep trying. Maybe you'll beat your "I WIN IF I LOSE" argument.
and of course not this argument, that woudl be cwazy. And I'm not harrasing him, I'm trying to convince him I'm legit. You saying "Just stop" isn't exactly helping him make an informed decision btw.

Have fun with your girlfriend, but again, you just delaying answering my arguments hurts your side.

On November 20 2010 10:04 Pandain wrote:
So you refuse to debate anymore? I wonder why....(hint: It wasn't because he was winning).



In response to that, he was converted. Listen, I'm not just going to let you twist the truth into stuff I haven't said. He was converted, and he lied about protecting you that night(would incriminate you.)

And are you really going to refuse me the right to prove myself innocent? (i wonder why)

And nice bringing up stories to make yourself sympathetic.
Hey, I cried last night because glasse is mafia and hatin' on me. EMOTIONS MAKE ME REALISTIC!!!!!!!!!!

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On November 20 2010 10:09 Pandain wrote:
So what I've showed:
1.Glasse is more likely mafia than I am
2.Glasse's votes for kenpachi don't prove anything
3.Stuff makes sense when glasse is mafia, not when I am
4.LSB tracking me lends credence to my claim of shrink, while glasse has only his word
5.There are numerous pieces of evidence in glasses' posts thus far that indicate scum.
6. I win in debate.

On November 20 2010 10:13 Pandain wrote:
If you were winning why won't you continue? (Hint: I know why)

But anyway, if you're going to post, post relevant to the game.