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Don't lose yo village!
*All questions are to be directed toward me.
+ Show Spoiler [Important Posts] +
Generic Mafia Intro:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking.
During the night mafia will collectively decide on and send in their hits to me, who they want dead. Any player with a special role that can act must PM me their actions each and every night.
If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win the game. The goal for the townspeople is to lynch all the members of the mafia by whatever analysis, teamwork, or guile they have. The goal of the mafia, of course, is to kill the townspeople with murderous precision.
The game is typically very active and there are usually numerous walls of text to wade through. If you are not a person who likes reading then I highly suggest you don't play the game because it is essential to being informed within the game. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules: (subject to change)
Posting Etiquette:
No flaming. This is friendly game. We cool?
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to) the following and will get you banned from future games:
1. Posting after death. One polite goodbye post is acceptable but please do not post anything which could POSSIBLY affect the game.
2. Betraying your role and ruining the game for everyone by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account / checking their PMs / looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. This is not a photoshop competition.
6. Posting any PM you receive from a host.
7. Editing posts. Editing posts is not allowed for any reason. The mods can see your edits, and if you are caught, you will look suspicious. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be owned.
8. There are to be NO private messages this game. However Private messaging, including IMs / IRC, is allowed between Mafia during the night phase only.
Voting rules:
1. Voting is to be done in this thread.
2. Please vote in the following format, to make it easier for everyone to read: [Vote]##Korynne. While the bolding in itself is not necessarily needed, it makes it easier on everybody's eyes. Please bold. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update votes whenever I get the chance.
3. You cannot autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon.
4. You may not vote for yourself, anyone dead, or outside the game.
5. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. You can however choose to ##Vote: No One. If 'No One' is the majority lynch, then there will be no lynch for that day phase and it will go to night time.
6. If you miss a vote or fail to post during one day cycle, you will be modkilled.
Modkills:
Inactivity has been a problem in every mafia game so far. Inactivity is most easily defined as failure to vote. If you do miss a vote, you will be modkilled. Special consideration will be exercised if a player in danger of being modkilled by this manner has been an active contributor in the thread. If something comes up and you know you will miss the vote, PM me in advance about it to let me know and you will be spared. Remember again: abstaining votes are NOT allowed. And once again, flaming is not tolerated. Keep it civil, or else you will receive a quick lightning bolt to the back of the head. Furthermore, you must post at least once in this thread per game cycle (48 hours, the length of a day) to avoid being modkilled. Simply voting doesn't work. This is to prevent lurkers.
Anyone who is modkilled may not play in one of my games until they have proven themselves to be active players in another game. Please remain active.However, do not just simply spam one-liners or worthless posts. Strategic modkills are NOT allowed, either. A strategic modkill is defined as anything that will better the position of your team. You cannot threaten with the words "well if you kill X and he's not mafia I'll get myself modkilled" or anything in that vein. Essentially, you may not use your non-majority-decided death as a bargaining chip. If you do happen to be modkilled, you will be put on Qatol's ban list, and cannot play in an "official" game till you have served your sentence.
Signups:
Sign Ups will be done here. Just post “/in” to sign up. Or some variation
Clues:
There are no clues.
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a strict 48 hour day/24 hour night cycle. The time deadline is 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Credits:
I stole this from LSB. Who stole it from Korynne. She probably stole it from someone else. So if your angry about not being mentioned here, uhh… direct the attention to her. Qatol too
Now on to the fun stuff:
Don't lose yo village!
+ Show Spoiler +Based on the epicmafia setup of the same name.
Evil gambling companies are out in force in an attempt to corrupt the Broodwar scene. They have already taken down several pros (Savior ;_;) and are now going for even bigger fish. They have decided to strike during an online tournament where everyone is anonymous. With a large amount of prize money on the line, you must choose to be greedy and go for the cash, or unite in an attempt to save Broodwar from terrible terrible damage.
Effort
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/581.jpg)
After coming out of retirement for this tournament, you have no special skills and you are an underdog. You can still pull out an upset though.
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Calm
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/76.jpg)
Paired with your evil twin, Clam, you have the ability to turn an almost certain loss into a win.
+ Show Spoiler +(Bulletproof +1 nightlife)
Clam
Paired with your good twin, Calm, you have the ability to turn an almost certain loss into a win.
+ Show Spoiler +(Bulletproof +1 nightlife)
Sea[Shield]
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/108.jpg)
Using your cool composure and general awesomeness, you can help a friend win a game. Unfortunately you can't help yourself win.
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Stork
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/59.jpg)
Because you know one of the tournament organisers, you can see who someone played during their last game.
+ Show Spoiler +(Tracker, follows one person and sees who they visit)
Jaedong
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/211.jpg)
Using your epic angry face, if you get knocked out you can take someone down with you.
+ Show Spoiler +(Hunter, gets to fire a shot off if lynched)
Flash
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/424.jpg)
You are the turtle master, you can use your tamed turtles to stop someone from being bribed, including yourself!
+ Show Spoiler +(Shrink, stops any conversions on the person you target)
2 Corporate Blackmailers
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You are an evil corporate blackmailer. You can bribe a player to convert them to your cause, however the concentration required in doing so will cause you to lose your next match and be eliminated from the tournament.
+ Show Spoiler +Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die.
With that, let the fun begin.
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Signups:
1. LSB
2. DoctorHelvetica
3. Artanis[Xp]
4. KtheZ
5. Glasse
6. youngminii
7. Kenpachi
8. Coagulation
9. Pandain
Round of 64
Still In The Tournament:
? out of ? Brood War Heroes
? out of ? Evil Do-ers
23 other random players that have no actual effect on the game
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i take full credit for the clam meme thx
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Hahaha, I would join this if I actually have time 
what is the 55 other players that have no actual effect on the game?
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On November 12 2010 10:16 Nemesis wrote:Hahaha, I would join this if I actually have time what is the 55 other players that have no actual effect on the game?
Noobs to feed THE DONG!!!
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On November 12 2010 10:16 Nemesis wrote:Hahaha, I would join this if I actually have time what is the 55 other players that have no actual effect on the game?
Random fillers. I'm trying to make this as tournament themed as possible, so 9 actual players + 55 others = 64 for the tournament. Just for aesthetics, doesn't have any effect on the gameplay.
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/in on behalf of Glasse who is currently still banned
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/in
still reeling from the insane mafia game
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Not In. But can't you at least give Effort an ability. Why the hate?
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On November 12 2010 11:01 LunarDestiny wrote:
Not In. But can't you at least give Effort an ability. Why the hate?
It was more of trying to fit the progamer to the role rather than the other way around. I was trying to think of an ordinary boring someone, maybe Hiya or something. I picked effort in the end cos of his retirement.
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Signups are now closed, but I might need one or two replacements if you want to put your name down.
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OK THATS 9 LETS START THIS SHIT
DAY 1 LYNCH COAG GOGO
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Roles are out, day will start soon. There will be no lynching day one.
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Day 1
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The sun slowly rises on the dawn of the first day of the tournament. Fangirls are wandering around the place, hiding whenever they see a camera. Competitors are practising hard, hands flashing across their keyboards, spamming 1a2a3a. But all is not well. Dark and seedy characters lurk throughout the arena. Money is changing hands, bets are being placed and dirty deeds are going down. With a huge amount of money on the line, who will go all-in for e-fame, glory and first prize. Who will take the easy way out. Who can be bribed. All will be revealed when the tournaments starts.
The round of 64 begins 19 hours.
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Ok in an attempt to start off on the right foot and make amends for any previous lackluster performances for town i will try to contribute as much as possible AND lay off spamming alot.
PLEASE if you notice me not posting alot attribute it to me trying to be a more contributing but less messy town player and not being a lurker. honestly i tried this last game and it got me lynched day 1 and i was very confused about what kind of activity level you guys want from me.
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In an attempt to start off on the right foot and make amends for my boring preformances for town i will try to contribute as much as possible AND increase my spamming a lot. PLEASE if you notice me posting alot attribute it to me trying to be a more contributing but having fun town player and not being a spammer. honestly i tried this last game and i got killed night 1 and i was very confused about what kind of townie the mafia wants so i don't get killed immediately again
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On November 12 2010 12:03 Pandain wrote:
are pms allowed.
PMs are not allowed.
Mafia are allowed to PM each other during the first day phase (now) and thereafter during the night phases only.
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1.Do mafia have to sacrifice during the night
2.Do they have a normal kp thing?
3.Does bodyguard still get converted?
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Omg wtf so many games at once @_____@
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My personal player analysis from past games.
1. LSB
Extremely pro town poster regardless of roles. very active poster.
2. DoctorHelvetica
Has a tendency to be extremely aggressive when mafia and extremely defensive when town
3. Artanis[Xp]
Gave me a retarted role in insane mafia.
4. KtheZ
was a fairly active poster in insane mafia.
5. Glasse
Posting quality and town contribution fluctuates based on his roles he receives
if hes got a role hes not happy with hes pretty bad
if hes got a decent role he contributes alot
6. youngminii
doesnt have internet right now. will probably be lurking alot.
7. Kenpachi
a little bit of a lurker in haunted mafia ?
isnt he the one that only reads post's if they talk about him. kinda bad for town.
8. Coagulation
9. Pandain
Extremely aggressive poster extremely prone to making slips when he post's however his post's are so cluttered and chaotic that its sometimes easy to miss them. everyone assuming that hes a just a bad player could be dangerous like what happend in insane mafia.
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4. KtheZ
was a fairly active poster in insane mafia.
Hooray for being the only person who gets little to no analysis at all :/
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On November 12 2010 12:09 Coagulation wrote:
My personal player analysis from past games.
3. Artanis[Xp]
Gave me a retarted role in insane mafia.
Remember! Artanis Randomed the stuff!
##VOTE: Artanis
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On November 12 2010 12:06 Pandain wrote:
1.Do mafia have to sacrifice during the night
2.Do they have a normal kp thing?
3.Does bodyguard still get converted?
Mafia can choose to not use their bribery skill. Its entirely optional. They have a normal 1KP between them, no matter how many mafia are alive. Being Calm or Clam does not make you immune to bribery.
In other random news, it appears that Calm and Clam can no longer even tell each other apart. They don't even know which one of them is which.
+ Show Spoiler +The bullet proof role is not name dependant. This is to help mafia if they wish to claim bulletproof, they don't have to pick which of Clam/Calm they are.
Calm and Clam were informed that they do not know which one of them is which.
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On November 12 2010 12:11 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 12:09 Coagulation wrote:
My personal player analysis from past games.
3. Artanis[Xp]
Gave me a retarted role in insane mafia.
Remember! Artanis Randomed the stuff! ##VOTE: Artanis
Just to remind you, the first day is just a warm up. No one will be lynched.
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On November 12 2010 12:11 KtheZ wrote:Hooray for being the only person who gets little to no analysis at all :/
You did pretty well I thought. 
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All right guys, the scumbag blackmailers are going to make life difficult
We can't really rely on some sort of mass claim plan, as the blackmailers would just shed their skin and convert people.
Question.
Deconduo, did you balance this game with Qatol/anyone?
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On November 12 2010 12:14 LSB wrote:
Question.
Deconduo, did you balance this game with Qatol/anyone?
Qatol was not involved in this one.
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Deconduo, are you sure this game is balanced?
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On November 12 2010 12:14 LSB wrote:
All right guys, the scumbag blackmailers are going to make life difficult
We can't really rely on some sort of mass claim plan, as the blackmailers would just shed their skin and convert people.
Question.
Deconduo, did you balance this game with Qatol/anyone?
Nah, its my favourite epicmafia setup. Its 50/50 win rate for town/maf after almost 10,000 games so I'm pretty sure its balanced 
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Ah kk, was just scared for a while.
All right to start. We should try taking down a scum straight at the start before they shed their skin. It's advantageous for the mafia to shed their skin fast.
For example, take this night. Say we mess up day 1 lynch. And then night kill goes through somehow. And both mafia shed their skin.
Bam 2v3 lylo.
We got to stop them fast.
And I propose we all roleclaim. Of course discuss the roleclaim before we actually do it.
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So basically town basically loses if we lose 3 people, including the bribe-stopper, since we have 4 people left, and the mafia can MC 2 of us so its 2v2.
So by this reasoning, we have around 2 days (3/4 if the doctor is a BOSS and we dont lynch the vets) to lynch one of the mafia.
Add in the fact that there is no detective role.
It will be difficult to figure out who's who.
Question:
Deconduo, can both mafia MC people on the same night?
Also, does the hunter still fire a shot if he is hit by the mafia?
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O gosh whenever someone says "i say we all roleclaim" I think people should add a modifyer: LETS DISCUSS IT FIRST.
I think that 'what you meant but just so people aren't dumb :p
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On November 12 2010 12:22 LSB wrote:
Ah kk, was just scared for a while.
All right to start. We should try taking down a scum straight at the start before they shed their skin. It's advantageous for the mafia to shed their skin fast.
For example, take this night. Say we mess up day 1 lynch. And then night kill goes through somehow. And both mafia shed their skin.
Bam 2v3 lylo.
We got to stop them fast.
And I propose we all roleclaim. Of course discuss the roleclaim before we actually do it.
I'm not sure if roleclaiming is the best thing to do, since then mafia have free reign to MC whoever the hell they want.
If mafia, say, MC jaedong, then town not only has to figure out its him, but we also lose one of our people, which would put us at a disadvantage at that point in the game.
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On November 12 2010 12:22 LSB wrote:
Ah kk, was just scared for a while.
All right to start. We should try taking down a scum straight at the start before they shed their skin. It's advantageous for the mafia to shed their skin fast.
For example, take this night. Say we mess up day 1 lynch. And then night kill goes through somehow. And both mafia shed their skin.
Bam 2v3 lylo.
We got to stop them fast.
And I propose we all roleclaim. Of course discuss the roleclaim before we actually do it.
Just a reminder again, there is no lynch on day 1. The game will officially start with Night 1.
I need to start blueing stuffs.
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And of course I don't read everything... LSB clearly says let's discuss it first :/
*sighs*
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On November 12 2010 12:23 KtheZ wrote:
So basically town basically loses if we lose 3 people, including the bribe-stopper, since we have 4 people left, and the mafia can MC 2 of us so its 2v2.
So by this reasoning, we have around 2 days (3/4 if the doctor is a BOSS and we dont lynch the vets) to lynch one of the mafia.
Add in the fact that there is no detective role.
It will be difficult to figure out who's who.
Question:
Deconduo, can both mafia MC people on the same night?
Also, does the hunter still fire a shot if he is hit by the mafia?
Both mafia can MC on the same night.
The hunter only fires a shot if he is lynched. The shot will be stopped by an unbroken bullet proof vest.
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Also:
If you are converted, you lose ALL your powers effective as of dawn the next day. You will essentially be a normal mafia goon. Any use of your powers during the night you are converted WILL take effect however. For example, Stork (tracker) will be informed of the actions of the person he tracked.
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Does mafia get a night 0 hit?
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Actually. Here's a rough outline of a plan.
Everyone roleclaims. This way we know what should happen.
Then the tracker claims, and the shrink protects the tracker.
The tracker then looks at conflicts see which roles are doubled up on, and then see if one of the people wasn't honest and visited someone else.
What do you think?
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Do mafia leave their houses to perform a hit? If so, how is the mafia chosen?
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On November 12 2010 12:43 LSB wrote:
Actually. Here's a rough outline of a plan.
Everyone roleclaims. This way we know what should happen.
Then the tracker claims, and the shrink protects the tracker.
The tracker then looks at conflicts see which roles are doubled up on, and then see if one of the people wasn't honest and visited someone else.
What do you think?
1.Eveeryone claims. Mafia will convert dt's/maybe even doctor.
2.What if they convert the tracker? We can't even know if its' the tracker they converted.
3.If its vanilla townie, o snap. We revealed everything for nothing.
Mass roleclaims are almost never good.
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On November 12 2010 12:48 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 12:43 LSB wrote:
Actually. Here's a rough outline of a plan.
Everyone roleclaims. This way we know what should happen.
Then the tracker claims, and the shrink protects the tracker.
The tracker then looks at conflicts see which roles are doubled up on, and then see if one of the people wasn't honest and visited someone else.
What do you think? 1.Eveeryone claims. Mafia will convert dt's/maybe even doctor. 2.What if they convert the tracker? We can't even know if its' the tracker they converted. 3.If its vanilla townie, o snap. We revealed everything for nothing. Mass roleclaims are almost never good.
Mafia can't convert the tracker since the shrink will protect the traker.
Mafia converts shrink, its a waste basically
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On November 12 2010 12:42 LSB wrote:
Does mafia get a night 0 hit?
Night 1 will begin at 22.00GMT on the 12th. Everyone will get to use their night actions at that point. Day 2 will begin at 22.00GMT on the 13th. Then you can begin voting on the first lynch.
On November 12 2010 12:45 KtheZ wrote:
Do mafia leave their houses to perform a hit? If so, how is the mafia chosen?
If there is 1 or 2 mafia alive, both will leave the house to perform the night kill. If they decide to convert, they will also visit the person they are converting. If there are 3 alive, then 2 out of 3 will leave the house. The mafia can decide between them who stays at home.
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Hmm... What if only the tracker claims, and the doctor and shrink protect the tracker. And the tracker goes around looking for mafia?
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OH I should say, I got my internet back yesterday! I WAS SO HAPPY
SOOOOOOO HAPPY
But uhh, if nothing happens on Day 1, does that mean we're just dancing around waiting for something to happen?
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We make up great plan.
What do you think of tracker claiming?
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On November 12 2010 13:00 youngminii wrote:
OH I should say, I got my internet back yesterday! I WAS SO HAPPY
SOOOOOOO HAPPY
But uhh, if nothing happens on Day 1, does that mean we're just dancing around waiting for something to happen?
Yes, its just a short, quick intro to get the game started. This setup is meant to start in a night phase, but thats kind of awkward. People will have questions and stuff, so I wanted a small time to get things smoothed out. Real days will be 48 hours long.
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What if the tracker claim is a false claim?
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On November 12 2010 13:04 LSB wrote:
We make up great plan.
What do you think of tracker claiming?
dislike
there's no DT - no way of checking if claimed tracker is lying or not
i mean if a corporate dude comes out and claims, then he directs the first lynch UNLESS there's a counter claim, but then the counter claimee will be eaten by scum and we'll have lost our tracker?
idk it COULD work i just don't like the chances
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On November 12 2010 13:05 KtheZ wrote:
What if the tracker claim is a false claim?
i assume the real tracker would also claim and then there would be 2 people and we would have to decide what one to lynch. a mis-lynch would be terrible for us.
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btw coag, activity = good. if you keep being inactive you'll create a meta image of yourself being an inactive player normally and when you start being active everyone will point out that meta and lynch you quick.
just don't be scummy i guess
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Some general unofficial hints and tips for this setup:
Town:
-It might be a good idea for the doctor not to protect anyone night one in case they protect a sacrificing mafia.
-Try and think about a good time to roleclaim, and a good way to do it. Massclaim might not always be the best, but sometimes it can be.
-Every role has its uses, even if they might not be apparent straight away. For example, if you lynch a hunter claim and have him shoot an unhit bulletproof claim, that can verify 2 people with one lynch, as the bullet proof won't die to the first bullet. Another example is a tracker claim tracking a shrink claim. They can then confirm each other by the tracker announcing who the shrink visited.
Mafia:
-Fake claiming roles and counter claiming roles is very important. Even if you get caught out, you have the ability to sacrifice yourself during the night if you don't get lynched that day.
-Use your sacrifice ability very wisely. It is usually best to use it as soon as possible. If there are role claims, it may be likely that the shrink is protecting them.
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On November 12 2010 13:18 deconduo wrote:
For example, if you lynch a hunter claim and have him shoot an unhit bulletproof claim, that can verify 2 people with one lynch, as the bullet proof won't die to the first bullet.
Does this mean people don't flip when they die?
Oh GOD I HATE THESE SETUPS FUCK MY LIFE
/gameface
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Doctor, protect yourself night 1 if possible. Same thing as what deconduo said, but chance to prevent a hit
(or if we get a plan going, the tracker)
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On November 12 2010 13:22 LSB wrote:
Doctor, protect yourself night 1 if possible. Same thing as what deconduo said, but chance to prevent a hit
(or if we get a plan going, the tracker)
thought you were talking to me when you said doctor >_>
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On November 12 2010 13:22 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 13:18 deconduo wrote:
For example, if you lynch a hunter claim and have him shoot an unhit bulletproof claim, that can verify 2 people with one lynch, as the bullet proof won't die to the first bullet. Does this mean people don't flip when they die? Oh GOD I HATE THESE SETUPS FUCK MY LIFE /gameface
People do flip when they die. But people can be converted.
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On November 12 2010 13:22 LSB wrote:
Doctor, protect yourself night 1 if possible. Same thing as what deconduo said, but chance to prevent a hit
(or if we get a plan going, the tracker)
Doctor CAN'T protect himself
However shrink CAN shrink himself.
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All right, the biggist issue that people will have with the tracker is fear of a mafia fakeclaim. I'll take care of that shortly
One big issue is if the tracker gets converted, the mafia could easily claim tracker and waste a lynch. I've looked over the town, and I'm confident of their scumhunting abilities
I'm basically scared of mafia taking control of my role and I'd rather deny the mafia a role than allow them to use it.
So I'm going to claim tracker right now.
I am doing this because I want shrink protection, I'll track people that I'll pin down as possible scum.
But what if I'm mafia. Well doctor, you don't have to protect me. In fact, I'd discourage it since I'm claming to deny the mafia an easy lynch.
But what if there is a counterclaim? Well thats an easy way to expose a mafia. Great way to shut down a generating role.
TLDR: I am tracker. Shrink plz protect me
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Why don't the Doctor and Shrink roleclaim then protect each other?
Scenario A:
Real Doctor and Real Shrink claim and protect each other. All is fine and dandy. Lynch everyone else. Lalala.
Scenario B:
Real Doctor and Real Shrink claims, but Fake Doctor counterclaims. Tracker watches Fake Doctor, Shrink protects Fake Doctor, Real Doctor protects Shrink and Fake Doctor 'protects' Real Doctor. If Fake Doctor doesn't make a move, Tracker claims and Fake Doctor gets lynched. If Fake Doctor does, converted fellow dies. Worst case, one for one.
Scenario C:
Real Doctor and Real Shrink claims, but Fake Doctor counterclaims. Tracker watches Real Doctor, Real Doctor protects Fake Doctor, Fake Doctor 'protects' Shrink, Shrink protects Real Doctor. Either way, Real Doctor is confirmed, Shrink might get converted but we can just have the Tracker watch the Shrink the next day and see what happens. Worst case, one for one.
Scenario D:
Real Doctor and Real Shrink claims, but Fake Shrink counterclaims. Tracker watches Fake Shrink, Fake Shrink protects Real Doctor, Real Doctor protects Real Shrink, Real Shrink protects Fake Shrink. Same deal, if Fake Shrink doesn't make a move he's dead, if he does he's dead and the converted dude is dead. Worst case, one for one.
Scenario E:
Same deal as Scenario C.
Scenario F:
Real Doctor and Real Shrink claims. Fake Doctor and Fake Shrink counterclaims. Shrink protects themselves while Doctors do not protect. Watcher watches the Shrinks. If he gets the Fake Shrink, one scum down. If he gets the Real Shrink, we have a confirmed Shrink and the Fake Shrink dies anyway. As for the Doctor, if Fake Doctor converts Real Doctor then we're in a worst case situation with one Shrink and one Red. Worthwhile imo.
Read it over, think about it.
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Say /yes if you agree with the above plan.
If we get 7 /yes (2 taken out from mafia) we'll go ahead with it. If not, oh well we'll play like civilised gentlemen.
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Shrink and doctor claim, mafia can mindcontrol the shrink. No one is comfirmed except for the doctor.
It is a good idea on how to deal with counterclaims. It could be useful if mafia trys to counterclaim me
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Wait if Shrink and Doctor claim and there's no counterclaim, they can keep protecting each other and mafia won't be able to mindcontrol anyone.
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EBWOP: I mean mafia won't be able to mindcontrol either of them.
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and the mafia will just circumvent that by mindcontrolling everyone else lol
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On November 12 2010 13:47 youngminii wrote:
EBWOP: I mean mafia won't be able to mindcontrol either of them.
What stops mafia from MCing the shrink, if he protects the doctor?
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Doctor doesn't protect against mafia mc.
Btw I claimed tracker
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oh okay
i'm an idiot
i was under the assumption that the mind control IS mafia kp
ignore everything i said before this post kthx
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I feel ignored
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On November 12 2010 13:54 LSB wrote:I feel ignored
I forgot to mention that you have a secret role that makes your posts invisible to everyone else.
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On November 12 2010 13:49 LSB wrote:
Doctor doesn't protect against mafia mc.
Btw I claimed tracker
So since you claimed tracker, it is probably not a good idea for anyone else to roleclaim. This is because this leaves 2 people open for MC/hit. Then, the doctor will be at a loss as to who to protect, same for the shrink.
You know what I just noticed? If there was someone i WANTED the mafia to MC, I would say the shrink. It makes sense, because since the mafia used a MC, the shrink's usefulness decreases anyway.
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On November 12 2010 14:05 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 13:49 LSB wrote:
Doctor doesn't protect against mafia mc.
Btw I claimed tracker So since you claimed tracker, it is probably not a good idea for anyone else to roleclaim. This is because this leaves 2 people open for MC/hit. Then, the doctor will be at a loss as to who to protect, same for the shrink. You know what I just noticed? If there was someone i WANTED the mafia to MC, I would say the shrink. It makes sense, because since the mafia used a MC, the shrink's usefulness decreases anyway.
By this logic, it probably is better for the shrink to protect someone else rather than himself.
however, if you see a flaw in my reasoning, please point it out.
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Sorry guys for being inactive for.. 2 hours
I really dont have much to input atm because the shrink doctor tracker is rather confusing ~_~..
Also, how would clues point towards the scum?
On November 12 2010 13:57 deconduo wrote:I forgot to mention that you have a secret role that makes your posts invisible to everyone else.
lol
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Actually you know what, I'll say this now: If ANYONE ELSE wishes to claim tracker, you better do it soon. If you do it later, you will be labeled mafia.
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LSB why did you claim tracker.
Why?
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Force the mafia to show their hand or let me have an easy time.
I don't expect the mafia to try to gambit and fake claim. If we did lots of planning, yeah the mafia is going to slip in and fake claim.
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Is there only one of each role?
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On November 12 2010 15:29 Pandain wrote:
Is there only one of each role?
well if you count the roles there are 9 of them and 9 players...
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Sup, i'm finally unbanned (longest 2 days ever)
I feel like the doctor and the other thing that can protect shouldnt roleclaim. Not yet at least :3
So many bad things can happen :3
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On November 12 2010 15:29 Pandain wrote:
Is there only one of each role?
Pandain, are you trying to see if you can gamebait tracker?
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wait so if i get this right, mafia gets a free kp on night 1 and basically the medic/shrink/whatever will have to randomly guess who to protect?
did i get that wrong?
sounds kinda silly
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On November 13 2010 00:42 Glasse wrote:
wait so if i get this right, mafia gets a free kp on night 1 and basically the medic/shrink/whatever will have to randomly guess who to protect?
did i get that wrong?
sounds kinda silly
Pretty much. This is balanced by town having a medic + 2 bulletproofs.
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the medic can't protect himself right? so if they get lucky, we will start down an important role :3
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i guess we'll see how this plays out. i'm kind of anxious (i think thats the right word) though
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As host of the last game, I hope to be able to use some of the experience from that for scumhunting this game. At the very least, we can prevent mafia from doing the same shit they pulled in that game; spam the game with useless info that confuses town. This game is far smaller so it'll be easier for town to not get confused by lots of information.
As for LSB's claim; I think it's highly important for the real tracker to report if LSB isn't the real one. We'll have one guaranteed mafia or force him to yakuza out if we get a counter claim. Just please, do not lie when claiming as town. As seen in previous games, this always ends in disaster where both players are townies and get lynched. See aeres last game.
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Night 1 begins in two and a half hours. Start thinking of your night actions if you have any.
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On November 13 2010 04:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
As host of the last game, I hope to be able to use some of the experience from that for scumhunting this game. At the very least, we can prevent mafia from doing the same shit they pulled in that game; spam the game with useless info that confuses town. This game is far smaller so it'll be easier for town to not get confused by lots of information.
As for LSB's claim; I think it's highly important for the real tracker to report if LSB isn't the real one. We'll have one guaranteed mafia or force him to yakuza out if we get a counter claim. Just please, do not lie when claiming as town. As seen in previous games, this always ends in disaster where both players are townies and get lynched. See aeres last game.
I agree with this completely. I would also like to add: Do not roleclaim if you are the medic.
if you do, you will almost 100% be hit the next night, with no way to protect yourself.
However, whether the shrink should roleclaim or not is debatable.
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Night action ideas then
Me: I'll track someone.
Doctor: Protect someone that you are absolutely sure is town. Otherwise you probably should hold back your action
Shrink: Protect me
Mafia: Roleclaim in thread.
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On November 13 2010 05:37 LSB wrote:
Mafia: Roleclaim in thread.
Mafia heer. I can haz lynch?
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I'd say doctor protect you LSB, since there really isnt anyone else to be confirmed town yet.
We can assume you are town until someone else roleclaims. They better do it by the end of the night (so medic has a chance to protect either one of you, and so we basically find a mafia) Otherwise, you are confirmed as detective.
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what if that's what he want to he can convert, not die and then mafia has 3 ppl after night 1. :3
typing with this new keyboard feels so awesome
happy cat is happy look at him!
:3
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On November 12 2010 12:09 Coagulation wrote:
5. Glasse
Posting quality and town contribution fluctuates based on his roles he receives
if hes got a role hes not happy with hes pretty bad
if hes got a decent role he contributes alot
i played 2 games total you can't really base yourself on that
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well its a pretty accurate description of your 2games.
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he was good in both games imo
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i would of been amazing if i had known about the 3rd party stuff before i screw up my role 
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On November 13 2010 06:01 Glasse wrote:i would of been amazing if i had known about the 3rd party stuff before i screw up my role
Blame Divinek for that then XD
Lunardestiny and Divinek had warning that something was going to happen at least
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Night 1
With the start of the Round of 64 imminent, players and competitors alike looked up the brackets for the tournament and began to pair off. Players were eager to not suffer the indignity of being knocked out early, and began their games in earnest.
Send in any night actions now. Night ends in 24 hours.
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the possibility that we lose this are low, we have jaedong and flash on our team, just sayin
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STORK WILL OVERCOME ALL!!!!
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On November 13 2010 10:13 LSB wrote:
STORK WILL OVERCOME ALL!!!!
tru
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i feel like this is going nowhere right now :3
we need to do stuff if we wanna stop them from convincing everyone to touch childrens inapropriately
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You guys convinced that I'm really the stork now?
No one has counterclaimed. It would be nice if the doctor could protect me. I wana be able to reveal my results the next day.
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I would suggest the doctor to RNG between LSB and another player so mafia doesn't know who's protected. In the case of LSB being yakuza, he wouldn't be guaranteed to live after mind control this way too. For mafia, it'd still be too risky to hit him.
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i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3
doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well
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On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote:
i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3
doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well
No. Shrink has to protect LSB. Or at the very least, RNG between him and another player.
Here's why I'm a bit upset: LSB you shouldn't have claimed. Here's the scenario:
You check someone. You're also confirmed.
right now, there's a 1/3 chance you will find someone. Actualy, 2/9 chance it will actually lead to a mafia.
Right now I'm debating whether you should check someone in particular or do it randomly.
I'l lay out what we should do once this question is answered;
1.Is it like mafia has one person to send in kills? Aka, if LSB checked a mafia, there's only a 50% chance he would be able to be tracked? Or is it if LSB tracks a mafia, he automatically finds that it leads to the victim, regardless of who sent the kill?
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On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote:
i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3
doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well
I suggest they all protect LSB. Since they are currently hidden, but LSB is shown to be tracker, it is best to protect LSB, since if mafia decides to hit one of the townies they might hit one of the two vets.
The shrink should NOT protect himself; in fact, him getting MCed is good fortune for town. This is mainly because if mafia use one of their MCs on the shrink, his role becomes less useful ANYWAY. So thus, shrink should NOT protect himself, because getting MCed is pro-town for you.
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Just 3 hours left of night, please send in any night actions if you haven't already done so
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On November 14 2010 03:05 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote:
i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3
doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well No. Shrink has to protect LSB. Or at the very least, RNG between him and another player. Here's why I'm a bit upset: LSB you shouldn't have claimed. Here's the scenario: You check someone. You're also confirmed. right now, there's a 1/3 chance you will find someone. Actualy, 2/9 chance it will actually lead to a mafia. Right now I'm debating whether you should check someone in particular or do it randomly. I'l lay out what we should do once this question is answered; 1.Is it like mafia has one person to send in kills? Aka, if LSB checked a mafia, there's only a 50% chance he would be able to be tracked? Or is it if LSB tracks a mafia, he automatically finds that it leads to the victim, regardless of who sent the kill?
Answered that a bit earlier in the thread:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 12 2010 12:51 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 12:45 KtheZ wrote:
Do mafia leave their houses to perform a hit? If so, how is the mafia chosen? If there is 1 or 2 mafia alive, both will leave the house to perform the night kill. If they decide to convert, they will also visit the person they are converting. If there are 3 alive, then 2 out of 3 will leave the house. The mafia can decide between them who stays at home.
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On November 14 2010 03:26 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote:
i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3
doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well I suggest they all protect LSB. Since they are currently hidden, but LSB is shown to be tracker, it is best to protect LSB, since if mafia decides to hit one of the townies they might hit one of the two vets. The shrink should NOT protect himself; in fact, him getting MCed is good fortune for town. This is mainly because if mafia use one of their MCs on the shrink, his role becomes less useful ANYWAY. So thus, shrink should NOT protect himself, because getting MCed is pro-town for you.
i fail to see how losing a town member is good for the town :3
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On November 14 2010 06:21 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 03:26 KtheZ wrote:On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote:
i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3
doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well I suggest they all protect LSB. Since they are currently hidden, but LSB is shown to be tracker, it is best to protect LSB, since if mafia decides to hit one of the townies they might hit one of the two vets. The shrink should NOT protect himself; in fact, him getting MCed is good fortune for town. This is mainly because if mafia use one of their MCs on the shrink, his role becomes less useful ANYWAY. So thus, shrink should NOT protect himself, because getting MCed is pro-town for you. i fail to see how losing a town member is good for the town :3
It's better for town for the shrink to get MCed rather than, say the tracker or medic.
Of course, it is most preferable for mafia to MC normal townies (or one of the vets), but what im trying to say is that the shrink should value the lives of the tracker and medic over his own.
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Day 2
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As the dust settles and the last of the games finish up, it appears that all of the players have made it into the next round. But something is not right, and one of the players has been accused of cheating. Which player? You tell me.
Voting for the day 2 lynch begins now. Place your votes in this thread.
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Just to make sure: No one died?
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On November 14 2010 07:09 Pandain wrote:
Just to make sure: No one died?
Nope.
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Are people notified if they are hit?
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Bullet Proofs will be informed if they are hit. If a doctor saves, then neither the doctor nor the person who was saved will know.
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lol wow ~_~ i really dont wanna lurk but there isnt much to say at this point because nothing happened overnight..
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Person who got hit is to claim.
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I have been hit last night.
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Ugh, didn't know doctors/their target didn't get notified until I read deconduo's full post >_>. So now mafia knows I'm calm/clam. Did LSB find anything?
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I really don't like the idea of everyone knowing what the shrink/doctors are gonna do. If we direct the blues that easily then the mafia simply only have to do exactly the opposite of what they shrink has claimed to do in the thread.
If the mafia know the shrink is protecting player x, they will just never convert player x, meaning they will never fail in their conversion.
The doctor and the shrink should feel comfortable acting on their own discretion. You need to understand what the best targets for mafia are. For death, strong blues (like LSB) will be the main target. For conversion, veterans/good players (myself, LSB) will be the strongest targets. Try to predict what the mafia are going to do, don't give them information. If we're going to do some sort of mass roleclaim thing, it needs to be set-up so that the mafia are forced to give the town bogus information. Mafia want to play the game giving as little information as possible in regards to everything, forcing them to come out of the woodwork is what will make them slip-up. Don't be scared to pressure.
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Also town, if you feel someone is pretty strongly pro-town I'd advise you not to tell the town (hey I think player X is definitely a townie)
wait and watch, mafia might try to make a bad case on that person and fall into the trap. it's ok to keep your thoughts to yourself. we don't need to know everything you're thinking and the mafia CERTAINLY don't.
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All right, I've confirmed someone, I won't be revealing who I confirmed unless the person comes under suspicion from the town. (I will breadcrumb the person later if needed).
Assuming artanis is right. That means that we have 3 confirmed townies. When then have 6 people not confirmed so far.
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On November 14 2010 09:20 LSB wrote:
All right, I've confirmed someone, I won't be revealing who I confirmed unless the person comes under suspicion from the town. (I will breadcrumb the person later if needed).
Assuming artanis is right. That means that we have 3 confirmed townies. When then have 6 people not confirmed so far.
I would take what artanis says with a grain of salt; we cant confirm if hes telling the truth or lying.
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On November 14 2010 09:46 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 09:20 LSB wrote:
All right, I've confirmed someone, I won't be revealing who I confirmed unless the person comes under suspicion from the town. (I will breadcrumb the person later if needed).
Assuming artanis is right. That means that we have 3 confirmed townies. When then have 6 people not confirmed so far. I would take what artanis says with a grain of salt; we cant confirm if hes telling the truth or lying.
What do you think?
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Not much to post about.. Perhaps we should just do random votes and get the ball rolling, instead of trying to figure out a complicated plan.
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I don't think this play would make much sense as mafia. Their best bet would be to hope for a medic save, since if they fakeclaim and the real person that got hit claims it's 50/50 for them to get lynched. The chance of a mafia taking that risk this early is unlikely, as proven by LSB's tracker claim without any counterclaim. They seem to be hesitant to do so as of yet.
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On November 14 2010 11:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't think this play would make much sense as mafia. Their best bet would be to hope for a medic save, since if they fakeclaim and the real person that got hit claims it's 50/50 for them to get lynched. The chance of a mafia taking that risk this early is unlikely, as proven by LSB's tracker claim without any counterclaim. They seem to be hesitant to do so as of yet.
shush
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On November 14 2010 10:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 09:46 KtheZ wrote:On November 14 2010 09:20 LSB wrote:
All right, I've confirmed someone, I won't be revealing who I confirmed unless the person comes under suspicion from the town. (I will breadcrumb the person later if needed).
Assuming artanis is right. That means that we have 3 confirmed townies. When then have 6 people not confirmed so far. I would take what artanis says with a grain of salt; we cant confirm if hes telling the truth or lying. What do you think?
I would say count him as a vet for now, but keep in mind that until the other vet roleclaims, we are not 100% sure he is vet.
Generally, I think the mafia would benefit in roleclaiming vet because of 2 reasons.
1. It gives them a role that is unverifiable unless another vet roleclaims (and then we wait to see if anyone has objections)
2. Tracker probably wont track them.
However, I would probably say artanis is telling the truth, considering that it would be one hell of an opening gambit for the mafia to play in this fashion.
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Yeah, I highly doubt mafia would hold back their kill this night, or that mafia just so happened to hit whoever was being protected.
Artanis is probably telling the truth.
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Deconduo, if mafia MC's someone and are protected by a doctor during it, will you update the post displaying 2/2 mafia?
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On November 14 2010 11:36 KtheZ wrote:
Yeah, I highly doubt mafia would hold back their kill this night, or that mafia just so happened to hit whoever was being protected.
Artanis is probably telling the truth.
aw D:
i was hoping to trap a scum
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##Vote Coagulation
Has only made three posts in this thread, none of which were very impressive.
On November 12 2010 13:08 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 13:05 KtheZ wrote:
What if the tracker claim is a false claim? i assume the real tracker would also claim and then there would be 2 people and we would have to decide what one to lynch. a mis-lynch would be terrible for us.
This is the closest he has come to making a contribution. Hopefully this is enough incentive for him to post. I may still change my vote later if a better candidate comes up.
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The problem is that lynching Coag is wayyyy to easy to pull off now. I'd rather not lynch him unless he gives us a good reason to.
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On November 12 2010 14:06 Kenpachi wrote:Sorry guys for being inactive for.. 2 hours I really dont have much to input atm because the shrink doctor tracker is rather confusing ~_~.. Also, how would clues point towards the scum? Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 13:57 deconduo wrote:On November 12 2010 13:54 LSB wrote:I feel ignored I forgot to mention that you have a secret role that makes your posts invisible to everyone else. lol
Uhh what are you talking about when you mentioned "clues point towards the scum?"
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On November 14 2010 12:36 LSB wrote:
The problem is that lynching Coag is wayyyy to easy to pull off now. I'd rather not lynch him unless he gives us a good reason to.
The problem with waiting with suspects in this game is that if they're mafia and we let them live for a night, they can MC someone at night. If we get a good suspect, we HAVE to kill them the same day. Furthermore, I mostly just want coag to post.
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On November 14 2010 12:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 12:36 LSB wrote:
The problem is that lynching Coag is wayyyy to easy to pull off now. I'd rather not lynch him unless he gives us a good reason to. The problem with waiting with suspects in this game is that if they're mafia and we let them live for a night, they can MC someone at night. If we get a good suspect, we HAVE to kill them the same day. Furthermore, I mostly just want coag to post.
I mean, is it such a good idea to be putting pressure on Coag? We just did it in Kingmaker, and he didn't respond well.
I am neutral on Coag's alignment
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On November 14 2010 12:54 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 12:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 14 2010 12:36 LSB wrote:
The problem is that lynching Coag is wayyyy to easy to pull off now. I'd rather not lynch him unless he gives us a good reason to. The problem with waiting with suspects in this game is that if they're mafia and we let them live for a night, they can MC someone at night. If we get a good suspect, we HAVE to kill them the same day. Furthermore, I mostly just want coag to post. I mean, is it such a good idea to be putting pressure on Coag? We just did it in Kingmaker, and he didn't respond well. I am neutral on Coag's alignment
In that game he had crucial information for the mafia party though. In this game, he can't know the roles of others and the setup is completely different so I doubt his posting would be able to harm town enough to outweigh chance of him making a mafia slipup should he be one.
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Sengoku mafia is taking up a little more time then i thought but im not inactive or anything. If you wanna keep riding the LYNCH Coagulation DAY 1 bandwagon go for it but im not gonna sit here and pretend its not stupid.
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You dont think mafia are gonna shoot at the easiest target right off the bat?
Im noticing a trend here.
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That is true. You're also the best target in the case of there being no mafia suspects.
We need to scumhunt instead of putting pressure on you. You never respond well to it anyway, it's pointless.
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I think right now im most suspicious of youngminii
On November 14 2010 11:00 youngminii wrote:
Not much to post about.. Perhaps we should just do random votes and get the ball rolling, instead of trying to figure out a complicated plan.
This post just seems anti town. who would want town to lynch randomly and not plan?
also worth noticing that glass appears to be trying to fly under the radar
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On November 14 2010 11:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Deconduo, if mafia MC's someone and are protected by a doctor during it, will you update the post displaying 2/2 mafia?
Good question, I fixed it now.
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All right, Kenpachi you have been completely absent.
Could you start being a bit more active? Maybe talk about a few things?
Thanks
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i wonder if mafia will try to hit the more experienced ppl
or maybe we should lynch the most experienced ppl because they can manipulate easier
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Glasse has play TWO WHOLE GAMES
He must be mad good at manipulating people
See look! He manipulated the town and mafia not to kill him
##VOTE: Glasse
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##Unvote: Glasse Because Pandain probably will think that I'm formally accusing him.
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thats because i'm a cat and i have 9 lives
also LOL
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Come to think about it
Artanis[Xp] was probably hit because 1) He didn't have any relations to anyone. 2) He's probably regarded as a vet.
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thats what i thought as well. But then he could say that because he thinks we will think that way. I think that he thinks that we think think think think think........... *meow*
:3
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On November 15 2010 01:26 Glasse wrote:
thats what i thought as well. But then he could say that because he thinks we will think that way. I think that he thinks that we think think think think think........... *meow*
:3
WIFOM
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I just realized.
We don't know if artanis is confirmed, barring other clam's/calms claim. But someone would have had to die for that to happen.
So here: Artanis, since it doesn't matter, are you calm or clam. then if someone counter claims, we caught ya'.
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In addition, LSB who is confirmed. Why should you tell? Obviously in case I'm missing something mull this over, but here's my thoughts:
If it's a townie, then you know he's confirmed because he didn't do anything.
If it's a doctor, then you would know he's confirmed because he didn't hit Artanis(assuming artanis is town, which shall be found out via the above.)
So there's no way to know who is.
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On November 15 2010 01:47 Pandain wrote:
So here: Artanis, since it doesn't matter, are you calm or clam. then if someone counter claims, we caught ya'.
We aren't told in the role PM if we're calm or clam. It says you don't remember which one you are. I presume this is done to give mafia a chance to roleclaim.
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I think it is probably safe to say artanis really is a vet; He seems to have a legit role pm.
He said that he is neither calm nor clam, but nowhere in the rules said that the vet role would be both calm/clam.
Unless another vet comes and refutes artanis's role pm claim (because it is safe to assume the other vet got the same pm), then we can say artanis really is town.
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On November 14 2010 19:01 Coagulation wrote:I think right now im most suspicious of youngminii Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 11:00 youngminii wrote:
Not much to post about.. Perhaps we should just do random votes and get the ball rolling, instead of trying to figure out a complicated plan. This post just seems anti town. who would want town to lynch randomly and not plan? also worth noticing that glass appears to be trying to fly under the radar
I somewhat agree but hes just suggesting it. Hes not giving much support to it so it was probably to generate ideas.
On November 15 2010 02:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 01:47 Pandain wrote:
So here: Artanis, since it doesn't matter, are you calm or clam. then if someone counter claims, we caught ya'. We aren't told in the role PM if we're calm or clam. It says you don't remember which one you are. I presume this is done to give mafia a chance to roleclaim.
How would we resolve if mafia counterclaims as the third clam?
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On November 15 2010 02:39 KtheZ wrote:
I think it is probably safe to say artanis really is a vet; He seems to have a legit role pm.
He said that he is neither calm nor clam, but nowhere in the rules said that the vet role would be both calm/clam.
Unless another vet comes and refutes artanis's role pm claim (because it is safe to assume the other vet got the same pm), then we can say artanis really is town.
oh i missed this post
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On November 15 2010 02:56 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 19:01 Coagulation wrote:I think right now im most suspicious of youngminii On November 14 2010 11:00 youngminii wrote:
Not much to post about.. Perhaps we should just do random votes and get the ball rolling, instead of trying to figure out a complicated plan. This post just seems anti town. who would want town to lynch randomly and not plan? also worth noticing that glass appears to be trying to fly under the radar I somewhat agree but hes just suggesting it. Hes not giving much support to it so it was probably to generate ideas. Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 02:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 15 2010 01:47 Pandain wrote:
So here: Artanis, since it doesn't matter, are you calm or clam. then if someone counter claims, we caught ya'. We aren't told in the role PM if we're calm or clam. It says you don't remember which one you are. I presume this is done to give mafia a chance to roleclaim. How would we resolve if mafia counterclaims as the third clam?
we could kill EVERYONE
irl
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On November 15 2010 02:39 KtheZ wrote:
I think it is probably safe to say artanis really is a vet; He seems to have a legit role pm.
He said that he is neither calm nor clam, but nowhere in the rules said that the vet role would be both calm/clam.
Unless another vet comes and refutes artanis's role pm claim (because it is safe to assume the other vet got the same pm), then we can say artanis really is town.
he didn't say he was neither calm nor clam he said he was either calm or clam, he just doesn't know which one
big difference.
we can't just accept artanis as 100% town. vet is one of the best fakeclaims for a mafia, but something about his play doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me as mafia. he's at the bottom of my suspects list
really wish he refused to answer that question about his role pm. would have been such a good trap if he said he was calm and then some mafia said "well im clam"
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On November 15 2010 01:20 LSB wrote:
Come to think about it
Artanis[Xp] was probably hit because 1) He didn't have any relations to anyone. 2) He's probably regarded as a vet.
i would think i'd be the day 1 target
maybe mafia predicted i would be protected by a doctor or they're doing the same strategy I did in Micro Mafia Redemption where we intentionally avoided hitting vets so I wouldn't fall under suspicion for being the "last vet alive"
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I'm going to regret this but....
An Analysis of Dr. H:
Summary:
Dr.H strikes me as more mafia than town. Note how he has been playing this game, almost like he doesn't care. Note in Insane mafia, the game where he was town, he was constantly talking, contributing, trying to actively find out whos town. In this game, he's hardly contributed at all! More so, he's contradicted himself by saying we should pressure people and now says we shouldn't because it's pointless. Furthormore still, the fact he has been saying we need to actively scum hunt and pressure people is conflicting with the fact HE HAS DONE NEITHER. Finally, the icing on the cake is the fact he wasn't shot, when in all truth he was probably the most likely to get shot/converted.
His posts:
On November 12 2010 13:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 13:22 LSB wrote:
Doctor, protect yourself night 1 if possible. Same thing as what deconduo said, but chance to prevent a hit
(or if we get a plan going, the tracker) thought you were talking to me when you said doctor >_>
Irrelevant.
On November 12 2010 13:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and the mafia will just circumvent that by mindcontrolling everyone else lol
One line contribution.
On November 13 2010 05:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
he was good in both games imo
Irrelevant.
On November 13 2010 10:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:tru
spam.
On November 14 2010 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really don't like the idea of everyone knowing what the shrink/doctors are gonna do. If we direct the blues that easily then the mafia simply only have to do exactly the opposite of what they shrink has claimed to do in the thread.
If the mafia know the shrink is protecting player x, they will just never convert player x, meaning they will never fail in their conversion.
The doctor and the shrink should feel comfortable acting on their own discretion. You need to understand what the best targets for mafia are. For death, strong blues (like LSB) will be the main target. For conversion, veterans/good players (myself, LSB) will be the strongest targets. Try to predict what the mafia are going to do, don't give them information. If we're going to do some sort of mass roleclaim thing, it needs to be set-up so that the mafia are forced to give the town bogus information. Mafia want to play the game giving as little information as possible in regards to everything, forcing them to come out of the woodwork is what will make them slip-up. Don't be scared to pressure.
I don't like this post. For one, he's basically saying we shouldn't help the shrink/doctor. But we have been saying (for the most part) that the doctor should RNG between people. Of course we're going to protect LSB via the shrink, that's the most logical thing to do. Note we have to say this so we are sure, he says "well then mafia will just convert someone else" but we have to make it so they don't convet other people. Also keep in mind that one of them would have to die if they want to convert, so that is even less of a point.
Furthormore, he says don't do what people in thread are saying. But again, the doctor is free to do his own choice. We are giving him valuable advice, mafia don't know if the person is going to follow it. Also note he says mafia wants to play the game giving as little information as possible, and don't be scared to pressure. Later note he never pressures, and he gives hardly any analysis/information.
One of the main things about this post is that it doesn't really help with our situation, it just gives general advice. That's one of the favorite things for mafia to do, just pretend to help via "generic" advice while not contributing to the matters at hand.
On November 14 2010 08:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Also town, if you feel someone is pretty strongly pro-town I'd advise you not to tell the town (hey I think player X is definitely a townie)
wait and watch, mafia might try to make a bad case on that person and fall into the trap. it's ok to keep your thoughts to yourself. we don't need to know everything you're thinking and the mafia CERTAINLY don't.
I do not like this AT ALL. First of all, we SHOULD be talking about in thread who we feel is pro town. Just because mafia "might" try to make a bad case on a person is a horrible reason to shush discussion about who we feel is pro town. If you make your point now, then mafia aren't going to attack them at all. In fact, mafia probably won't attack those clearly pro town players since they'd have no proof. All this is doing is limiting discussion, which I DO NOT LIKE.
On November 14 2010 10:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 09:46 KtheZ wrote:On November 14 2010 09:20 LSB wrote:
All right, I've confirmed someone, I won't be revealing who I confirmed unless the person comes under suspicion from the town. (I will breadcrumb the person later if needed).
Assuming artanis is right. That means that we have 3 confirmed townies. When then have 6 people not confirmed so far. I would take what artanis says with a grain of salt; we cant confirm if hes telling the truth or lying. What do you think?
*yawn*.
On November 14 2010 11:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 11:36 KtheZ wrote:
Yeah, I highly doubt mafia would hold back their kill this night, or that mafia just so happened to hit whoever was being protected.
Artanis is probably telling the truth. aw D: i was hoping to trap a scum
I still don't get how this would work.
On November 14 2010 14:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
That is true. You're also the best target in the case of there being no mafia suspects.
We need to scumhunt instead of putting pressure on you. You never respond well to it anyway, it's pointless.
This is what really set me off and made me decide to do this analysis. Dr. H has not been scum hunting, and this is the first time he comes out and defends someone(out of the blue basically.) In addition, HES CONTRADICTING HIMSELF. Previously he said "Don't be afraid to pressure people" now he's saying "we need to scum hunt instead of putting pressure on you." BUT NOTE HES NOT DOING EITHER.
Also saying it's pointless is false, pressure is always informative.
On November 15 2010 03:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 02:39 KtheZ wrote:
I think it is probably safe to say artanis really is a vet; He seems to have a legit role pm.
He said that he is neither calm nor clam, but nowhere in the rules said that the vet role would be both calm/clam.
Unless another vet comes and refutes artanis's role pm claim (because it is safe to assume the other vet got the same pm), then we can say artanis really is town. he didn't say he was neither calm nor clam he said he was either calm or clam, he just doesn't know which one big difference. we can't just accept artanis as 100% town. vet is one of the best fakeclaims for a mafia, but something about his play doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me as mafia. he's at the bottom of my suspects list really wish he refused to answer that question about his role pm. would have been such a good trap if he said he was calm and then some mafia said "well im clam"
Makes a very vauge analysis on ARtanis(something doesn't seem right to me about his play if he were mafia, but I won't elaborate.) Also Artanis IS confirmed if a calm/clam doesn't reveal that they in fact did get a specific role(aka clam or calm.) So I don't like how he's saying he's not. And then he says "I don't think he's mafia." Again, not a total contradiction, but should be noted.
On November 15 2010 03:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 01:20 LSB wrote:
Come to think about it
Artanis[Xp] was probably hit because 1) He didn't have any relations to anyone. 2) He's probably regarded as a vet. i would think i'd be the day 1 target maybe mafia predicted i would be protected by a doctor or they're doing the same strategy I did in Micro Mafia Redemption where we intentionally avoided hitting vets so I wouldn't fall under suspicion for being the "last vet alive"
Agreed. Why did scum not target you. Why did they decide to hit Artanis instead. It just doesn't make sense to me. Again, it's possible that they thought you would be protected, but that's not that likely.
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On November 15 2010 03:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 02:39 KtheZ wrote:
I think it is probably safe to say artanis really is a vet; He seems to have a legit role pm.
He said that he is neither calm nor clam, but nowhere in the rules said that the vet role would be both calm/clam.
Unless another vet comes and refutes artanis's role pm claim (because it is safe to assume the other vet got the same pm), then we can say artanis really is town. he didn't say he was neither calm nor clam he said he was either calm or clam, he just doesn't know which one big difference. we can't just accept artanis as 100% town. vet is one of the best fakeclaims for a mafia, but something about his play doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me as mafia. he's at the bottom of my suspects list really wish he refused to answer that question about his role pm. would have been such a good trap if he said he was calm and then some mafia said "well im clam"
You know DrH, I was thinking the same thing. It would have been so much more convenient if a mafia claimed clam or something.
But getting back on track:
Artanis stated that in his role pm calm/clam were interchangeable, since he did not know which one he was.
It is probably safe to assume the other vet also got the same PM.
Since there is another vet, if they remain silent, it is most likely a confirmation that what artanis said is correct, and that he really is vet.
If Artanis IS lying about his role, I would urge the other vet to tell us. However, while saying this, I also want to note that roleclaiming as the second vet may not be a good idea at this point. You would paint yourself as a prime target for MC.
Anyway, if artanis is correct about his role PM, vet stay silent.
If he is lying, sorry for the WIFOM, then real vet, you get to make a decision.
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Just putting this out here: Dr. H what was your plan?
Also would like to hear feedback from other players(like KtheZ)
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On November 15 2010 03:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 01:20 LSB wrote:
Come to think about it
Artanis[Xp] was probably hit because 1) He didn't have any relations to anyone. 2) He's probably regarded as a vet. i would think i'd be the day 1 target maybe mafia predicted i would be protected by a doctor or they're doing the same strategy I did in Micro Mafia Redemption where we intentionally avoided hitting vets so I wouldn't fall under suspicion for being the "last vet alive"
The difference between this game and Micro Mafia Redemption, was that you were basically the only vet who actively plays. This game there is plenty of vets.
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I'm surprised I didn't get converted, moreso than shot. But I provided two reasons why they might not have targeted to me. Why wouldn't the mafia think medics would protect me? Who else would the doctor protect lol and I already said, it is possible mafia don't target vets. particularly if one of the 2 mafia is a vet, not targeting the other vet in the game will keep suspicion off of him and then mafia can bandwagon me, naw sayin? that's how I tried to get brownbear or whatever in micro mafia. i have no idea why you think its unlikely a doctor would protect me lol
i believed artanis claim, i was hoping mafia would bandwagon the shit out of him trying to make his claim look fake, that's what i meant when i was talking to kthez
anyway about pressure being a bad thing. coagulation is bad at this game. if he is town pressuring him will just make him look bad, if he is mafia pressuring him will make him look equally bad. the best bet with him if he's mafia is that he'll be really transparent and defend some mafia buddy in a super obvious way
I was just going to say how pressuring inactive players with votes can be good as long as it doesn't become a deathwagon
as far as me not scumhunting sure I am. i'm reading everyones post and thinking. i'm not gonna spam the thread with FoS's on everyone who says something mildly dumb or suspicious otherwise I'd be FoS'ing all the time lol. i decided my biggest mistake as town in insane mafia was posting too much and thinking too little.
and i wasn't analysing artanis really. you said "i don't like how you're saying he isn't confirmed" but he fucking isn't lol. the other bulletproof shouldn't claim, this narrows mafia targets down way too much, the whole purpose of a bulletproof role is you goad the mafia into shooting you. sure if the other one claims the same thing it "confirms" artanis but then we just lose the whole point of the role, don't do it
now as far as not saying "i think this person is 100% townie" here's why. if I say and convince everyone, say, Kenpachi is definiiiiitely town. Mafia just won't even bandwagon them. If I hold my tongue and wait to see if mafia pressure him with bullshit then I can come out and hopefully cut through their bullshit and catch a mafia. we all know who we think is town, it doesn't limit discussion, it's a pointless discussion in the first place imo
you can feel free to disagree but I want to a play a game where the mafia makes mistakes, the more we tell them the less room for that there is. artanis claiming was a mistake, let's not do additional damage by having the other BP roleclaim even if its to do something like confirm artanis
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Kenpachi what do you think of DoctorH? Can you address Pandain's accusation against him?
As for my analysis, I feel dumb for missing out on a post, so I'll do my analysis later.
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On November 15 2010 03:45 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 03:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 15 2010 02:39 KtheZ wrote:
I think it is probably safe to say artanis really is a vet; He seems to have a legit role pm.
He said that he is neither calm nor clam, but nowhere in the rules said that the vet role would be both calm/clam.
Unless another vet comes and refutes artanis's role pm claim (because it is safe to assume the other vet got the same pm), then we can say artanis really is town. he didn't say he was neither calm nor clam he said he was either calm or clam, he just doesn't know which one big difference. we can't just accept artanis as 100% town. vet is one of the best fakeclaims for a mafia, but something about his play doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me as mafia. he's at the bottom of my suspects list really wish he refused to answer that question about his role pm. would have been such a good trap if he said he was calm and then some mafia said "well im clam" You know DrH, I was thinking the same thing. It would have been so much more convenient if a mafia claimed clam or something. But getting back on track: Artanis stated that in his role pm calm/clam were interchangeable, since he did not know which one he was. It is probably safe to assume the other vet also got the same PM. Since there is another vet, if they remain silent, it is most likely a confirmation that what artanis said is correct, and that he really is vet. If Artanis IS lying about his role, I would urge the other vet to tell us. However, while saying this, I also want to note that roleclaiming as the second vet may not be a good idea at this point. You would paint yourself as a prime target for MC. Anyway, if artanis is correct about his role PM, vet stay silent. If he is lying, sorry for the WIFOM, then real vet, you get to make a decision.
good post. other BP claim if artanis is full of shit, otherwise stay quiet
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BP DO NOT CLAIM I'll explain shortly
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On November 15 2010 03:51 Pandain wrote:
Just putting this out here: Dr. H what was your plan?
Also would like to hear feedback from other players(like KtheZ)
plan in regards to what
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On November 15 2010 03:45 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 03:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 15 2010 02:39 KtheZ wrote:
I think it is probably safe to say artanis really is a vet; He seems to have a legit role pm.
He said that he is neither calm nor clam, but nowhere in the rules said that the vet role would be both calm/clam.
Unless another vet comes and refutes artanis's role pm claim (because it is safe to assume the other vet got the same pm), then we can say artanis really is town. he didn't say he was neither calm nor clam he said he was either calm or clam, he just doesn't know which one big difference. we can't just accept artanis as 100% town. vet is one of the best fakeclaims for a mafia, but something about his play doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me as mafia. he's at the bottom of my suspects list really wish he refused to answer that question about his role pm. would have been such a good trap if he said he was calm and then some mafia said "well im clam" You know DrH, I was thinking the same thing. It would have been so much more convenient if a mafia claimed clam or something. But getting back on track: Artanis stated that in his role pm calm/clam were interchangeable, since he did not know which one he was. It is probably safe to assume the other vet also got the same PM. Since there is another vet, if they remain silent, it is most likely a confirmation that what artanis said is correct, and that he really is vet. If Artanis IS lying about his role, I would urge the other vet to tell us. However, while saying this, I also want to note that roleclaiming as the second vet may not be a good idea at this point. You would paint yourself as a prime target for MC. Anyway, if artanis is correct about his role PM, vet stay silent. If he is lying, sorry for the WIFOM, then real vet, you get to make a decision.
Cut the role PM stuff. Anyone who payed attention to the thread could figure that out
On November 12 2010 12:11 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 12:06 Pandain wrote:
1.Do mafia have to sacrifice during the night
2.Do they have a normal kp thing?
3.Does bodyguard still get converted? Mafia can choose to not use their bribery skill. Its entirely optional. They have a normal 1KP between them, no matter how many mafia are alive. Being Calm or Clam does not make you immune to bribery. In other random news, it appears that Calm and Clam can no longer even tell each other apart. They don't even know which one of them is which. + Show Spoiler +The bullet proof role is not name dependant. This is to help mafia if they wish to claim bulletproof, they don't have to pick which of Clam/Calm they are.
Calm and Clam were informed that they do not know which one of them is which.
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On November 15 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 03:51 Pandain wrote:
Just putting this out here: Dr. H what was your plan?
Also would like to hear feedback from other players(like KtheZ) plan in regards to what
as in "dang was hoping we caught a scum"
and "Was hoping he would claim clam and than mafia claims calm" or something.
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Gaahhh this game is too meta.
Sorry doctorh
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On November 15 2010 01:50 Pandain wrote:
In addition, LSB who is confirmed. Why should you tell? Obviously in case I'm missing something mull this over, but here's my thoughts:
If it's a townie, then you know he's confirmed because he didn't do anything.
If it's a doctor, then you would know he's confirmed because he didn't hit Artanis(assuming artanis is town, which shall be found out via the above.)
So there's no way to know who is.
LSB what about this.
In addition, I think you should track Dr. H tonight, and doctor and shrink both protect you.
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On November 15 2010 03:57 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 15 2010 03:51 Pandain wrote:
Just putting this out here: Dr. H what was your plan?
Also would like to hear feedback from other players(like KtheZ) plan in regards to what as in "dang was hoping we caught a scum" and "Was hoping he would claim clam and than mafia claims calm" or something.
was hoping kthez was a mafia who was gonna bandwagon artanis after the claim but he didn't. i felt like thats what was gonna happen.
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On November 15 2010 04:00 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 01:50 Pandain wrote:
In addition, LSB who is confirmed. Why should you tell? Obviously in case I'm missing something mull this over, but here's my thoughts:
If it's a townie, then you know he's confirmed because he didn't do anything.
If it's a doctor, then you would know he's confirmed because he didn't hit Artanis(assuming artanis is town, which shall be found out via the above.)
So there's no way to know who is. LSB what about this. In addition, I think you should track Dr. H tonight, and doctor and shrink both protect you.
"doctor and shrink both protect LSB so we can convert DrH and kill someone else"
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On November 15 2010 03:55 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi what do you think of DoctorH? Can you address Pandain's accusation against him?
As for my analysis, I feel dumb for missing out on a post, so I'll do my analysis later.
DrH has been putting less feedback in this game but i think his clam calm plan was brilliant.
To Pandain:We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim if Artanis claimed Clam, Mafia could have tried to cause confusion and claim Calm and fall for the clam claim. the clam bros know that the role didnt specify which clam they were.
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On November 15 2010 04:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:00 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2010 01:50 Pandain wrote:
In addition, LSB who is confirmed. Why should you tell? Obviously in case I'm missing something mull this over, but here's my thoughts:
If it's a townie, then you know he's confirmed because he didn't do anything.
If it's a doctor, then you would know he's confirmed because he didn't hit Artanis(assuming artanis is town, which shall be found out via the above.)
So there's no way to know who is. LSB what about this. In addition, I think you should track Dr. H tonight, and doctor and shrink both protect you. "doctor and shrink both protect LSB so we can convert DrH and kill someone else"
If you'ure converted, another mafia dies. In addition, your already highly suscipcious to me(i'll respond to your post later)
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On November 15 2010 04:00 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 01:50 Pandain wrote:
In addition, LSB who is confirmed. Why should you tell? Obviously in case I'm missing something mull this over, but here's my thoughts:
If it's a townie, then you know he's confirmed because he didn't do anything.
If it's a doctor, then you would know he's confirmed because he didn't hit Artanis(assuming artanis is town, which shall be found out via the above.)
So there's no way to know who is. LSB what about this. In addition, I think you should track Dr. H tonight, and doctor and shrink both protect you.
The information I have is not useful now. Don't worry, I'll breadcrumb it before I die.
As for tracking, I have an idea of who to track.
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On November 15 2010 04:01 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 03:55 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi what do you think of DoctorH? Can you address Pandain's accusation against him?
As for my analysis, I feel dumb for missing out on a post, so I'll do my analysis later. To Pandain: We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim if Artanis claimed Clam, Mafia could have tried to cause confusion and claim Calm and fall for the clam claim. the clam bros know that the role didnt specify which clam they were.
We? We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim?
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On November 15 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:01 Kenpachi wrote:On November 15 2010 03:55 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi what do you think of DoctorH? Can you address Pandain's accusation against him?
As for my analysis, I feel dumb for missing out on a post, so I'll do my analysis later. To Pandain: We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim if Artanis claimed Clam, Mafia could have tried to cause confusion and claim Calm and fall for the clam claim. the clam bros know that the role didnt specify which clam they were. We? We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim?
We being town.. assuming Artanis to be town..
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On November 15 2010 04:04 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2010 04:01 Kenpachi wrote:On November 15 2010 03:55 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi what do you think of DoctorH? Can you address Pandain's accusation against him?
As for my analysis, I feel dumb for missing out on a post, so I'll do my analysis later. To Pandain: We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim if Artanis claimed Clam, Mafia could have tried to cause confusion and claim Calm and fall for the clam claim. the clam bros know that the role didnt specify which clam they were. We? We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim? We being town.. assuming Artanis to be town..
So town fakes a possible roleclaim....why?
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On November 15 2010 04:05 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:04 Kenpachi wrote:On November 15 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2010 04:01 Kenpachi wrote:On November 15 2010 03:55 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi what do you think of DoctorH? Can you address Pandain's accusation against him?
As for my analysis, I feel dumb for missing out on a post, so I'll do my analysis later. To Pandain: We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim if Artanis claimed Clam, Mafia could have tried to cause confusion and claim Calm and fall for the clam claim. the clam bros know that the role didnt specify which clam they were. We? We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim? We being town.. assuming Artanis to be town.. So town fakes a possible roleclaim....why?
to bait a Mafia to take the fake roleclaim
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On November 15 2010 04:05 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:05 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2010 04:04 Kenpachi wrote:On November 15 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2010 04:01 Kenpachi wrote:On November 15 2010 03:55 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi what do you think of DoctorH? Can you address Pandain's accusation against him?
As for my analysis, I feel dumb for missing out on a post, so I'll do my analysis later. To Pandain: We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim if Artanis claimed Clam, Mafia could have tried to cause confusion and claim Calm and fall for the clam claim. the clam bros know that the role didnt specify which clam they were. We? We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim? We being town.. assuming Artanis to be town.. So town fakes a possible roleclaim....why? to bait a Mafia to take the fake roleclaim
But what if the vet's claim because they think they then found scum? Which was very likely.
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On November 15 2010 04:06 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:05 Kenpachi wrote:On November 15 2010 04:05 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2010 04:04 Kenpachi wrote:On November 15 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2010 04:01 Kenpachi wrote:On November 15 2010 03:55 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi what do you think of DoctorH? Can you address Pandain's accusation against him?
As for my analysis, I feel dumb for missing out on a post, so I'll do my analysis later. To Pandain: We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim if Artanis claimed Clam, Mafia could have tried to cause confusion and claim Calm and fall for the clam claim. the clam bros know that the role didnt specify which clam they were. We? We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim? We being town.. assuming Artanis to be town.. So town fakes a possible roleclaim....why? to bait a Mafia to take the fake roleclaim But what if the vet's claim because they think they then found scum? Which was very likely.
wait what? im not understand this :S
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But I guess I reread your post. And I guess the "we" might fit. However, it is slightly open for interpetation, but I guess I'll let it slide. Gosh I'll look silly if you are mafia.
Going forward though, the flaw in the plan might still be important.
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On November 15 2010 04:08 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:06 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2010 04:05 Kenpachi wrote:On November 15 2010 04:05 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2010 04:04 Kenpachi wrote:On November 15 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2010 04:01 Kenpachi wrote:On November 15 2010 03:55 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi what do you think of DoctorH? Can you address Pandain's accusation against him?
As for my analysis, I feel dumb for missing out on a post, so I'll do my analysis later. To Pandain: We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim if Artanis claimed Clam, Mafia could have tried to cause confusion and claim Calm and fall for the clam claim. the clam bros know that the role didnt specify which clam they were. We? We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim? We being town.. assuming Artanis to be town.. So town fakes a possible roleclaim....why? to bait a Mafia to take the fake roleclaim But what if the vet's claim because they think they then found scum? Which was very likely. wait what? im not understand this :S
Artainis Claims Clam.
Lets say LSB is a vet, I know that's bs because the Role PM doesn't tell who's who.
I'll claim that Artanis is full of BS. Although DoctorH knows that Artanis is probably telling the truth, this shows the mafia our other bulletproff.
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Alright, Artanis claims clam. Then "we" claim calm. Now, the real Calm's/clam's think they might have just found a couple scum(stupid at least.) So they would reveal that they were lying.
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ok does everyone understand what happened now
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DoctorH tries to bait mafia.
KtheZ helps.
LSB gets confused and yells at them that obviously Artanis is telling the truth.
Pandain then says the plan to bait mafia is dumb.
Kenpachi explains it
LSB says plan was dumb.
Or am I still confused.
Anyways, back on the topic of doctor H. I'm getting a neutral read, I want to hear what other people think.
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On November 15 2010 03:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm surprised I didn't get converted, moreso than shot. But I provided two reasons why they might not have targeted to me. Why wouldn't the mafia think medics would protect me? Who else would the doctor protect lol and I already said, it is possible mafia don't target vets. particularly if one of the 2 mafia is a vet, not targeting the other vet in the game will keep suspicion off of him and then mafia can bandwagon me, naw sayin? that's how I tried to get brownbear or whatever in micro mafia. i have no idea why you think its unlikely a doctor would protect me lol
One of your reasons was they might be doing the thing where they don't target vets so, like your example game, you don't get under suscipioiini. The other one was that it could lead to wifom about "why are you alive." I think the more logical option is just to take you out and be safe.
Why wouldn't the doctors protect LSB, lol. Would be pointless for him to track someone and then die.
But it's mainly besides the point if a doctor protect you, the point is you didn't get shot/converted, yet Artanis did.
i believed artanis claim, i was hoping mafia would bandwagon the shit out of him trying to make his claim look fake, that's what i meant when i was talking to kthez
Why would they be so rash?
anyway about pressure being a bad thing. coagulation is bad at this game. if he is town pressuring him will just make him look bad, if he is mafia pressuring him will make him look equally bad. the best bet with him if he's mafia is that he'll be really transparent and defend some mafia buddy in a super obvious way
So we should never pressure coagulation? And again, if he's mafia, I'm pretty sure he's being coached from his previous mistakes.
I was just going to say how pressuring inactive players with votes can be good as long as it doesn't become a deathwagon
Your not doing anything though
as far as me not scumhunting sure I am. i'm reading everyones post and thinking. i'm not gonna spam the thread with FoS's on everyone who says something mildly dumb or suspicious otherwise I'd be FoS'ing all the time lol. i decided my biggest mistake as town in insane mafia was posting too much and thinking too little.
Well you are spamming the thread "tru", "he was good at both games imo" and so forth. So your just not going to spam when its actually relevant? The point is your spamming, but not with real info.
and i wasn't analysing artanis really. you said "i don't like how you're saying he isn't confirmed" but he fucking isn't lol. the other bulletproof shouldn't claim, this narrows mafia targets down way too much, the whole purpose of a bulletproof role is you goad the mafia into shooting you. sure if the other one claims the same thing it "confirms" artanis but then we just lose the whole point of the role, don't do it
Well now you say he should claim. And in all liklihood he is confirmed. I would say your right, he's not because he doesn't know whether he's clam, calm, but since you never brought it up I will stand by this point.
now as far as not saying "i think this person is 100% townie" here's why. if I say and convince everyone, say, Kenpachi is definiiiiitely town. Mafia just won't even bandwagon them. If I hold my tongue and wait to see if mafia pressure him with bullshit then I can come out and hopefully cut through their bullshit and catch a mafia. we all know who we think is town, it doesn't limit discussion, it's a pointless discussion in the first place imo
Good, they will have to find other people. And we'll have more general info. For example, if a more expierenced player is like "Hey, this guy is obviously town!" then that's useful to share with less skilled players. And it's definitely not pointless since you've already said you don't think artanis is red.
you can feel free to disagree but I want to a play a game where the mafia makes mistakes, the more we tell them the less room for that there is. artanis claiming was a mistake, let's not do additional damage by having the other BP roleclaim even if its to do something like confirm
artanis
and aren't you saying now we should have him claim.
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Just fyi, mafia have a copy of all role PMs.
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i'm not gonna make this insane mafia
-i said BP should claim if he can prove artanis was lying but I missed deconduos post that makes that impossible, i advised the BP not to claim many many times please learn how to read
-what's the point in pressuring coagulation, he's so bad it's honestly just pointless. he'll get mad and spam and we won't learn anything no matter what his alignment, let's pressure somebody else
-ok so i'm mafia because they shot artanis instead of me? you said yourself it's all WIFOM so why even discuss it. I offered two reasons why mafia may not shoot me if I'm town, take it or leave it
-it isn't rash to start putting negative pressure/bandwagon on someone who claims. mafia will at least do what they can to raise suspicion about it. i've been mafia way more than you and I'm much better at it so you should put at least a little bit of trust into what I'm saying
-i'm posting much less in this game than I have in previous games. i did make some worthless posts when nothing was happening and guess what I stopped when activity picked up
-i said artanis isn't red because that's the way the discussion swung. i'm not going to go out of my way to point out one of you as pro-town even though I already have a list of 4 players I'm almost 100% sure are town. and guess what I'm not going to say who it is
you're doing what you did in insane mafia. trying to make it look like i contradicted myself when I didn't. be careful because I'm not going to let you slide to victory on a sea of bullshit this time pandain.
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Again, right now the thing you could do the most to help is start contributing via analysis or somethign else. Cause right now it's not one main thing, its the fact that you just don't seem to really care like you do when your town(Insane mafia.)
Right now though I still think LSB should check you.
So Dr. H, what are your thoughts right now?
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i said I'm changing my game strategy
I posted too much in insane mafia and I let the town know too much of what I was thinking. my plan is to be more withdrawn, keep more to myself, and only post when I have something to say. not feeling great about glasse, youngminii, or kenpachi. kenpachi never really contributes anything, just parrots what others say and is generally inactive
i don't have good meta read on glasse yet or youngminii though.
out of the active posters you're the scummiest imo
is that what you wanted to hear? i'm going to go away now until something happens thats worth posting about
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Today, I see that the lynch is going to be either voting for DoctorH or No one.
I believe that the night actions can be as advantageous for the town as it is for the mafia. Of course I'm a bit biased.
However, I'm interested in why the mafia hasn't converted yet. I believe their going to try to save their conversions for the very end, and especially if they are able to take out the shrink.
Lets say there are 2 mafia left, and there is 4 town.
The mafia can hit someone (it might miss), but then if the mafia both convert at the same night, and there is no shrink. It's insta victory.
So we have to recognize that Lylo is at 6 people. We don't want to lynch until we are absolutely sure. Anything to slow down the killing is good.
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you guys can lynch me if you're really stupid but please lynch pandain when i flip blue
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On November 15 2010 04:23 deconduo wrote:
Just fyi, mafia have a copy of all role PMs.
Wait wtf, seriously?
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On November 15 2010 04:51 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:23 deconduo wrote:
Just fyi, mafia have a copy of all role PMs. Wait wtf, seriously?
Yep, to stop any 'my role PM says this so I'm legit' sort of thing.
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On November 15 2010 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i said I'm changing my game strategy
I posted too much in insane mafia and I let the town know too much of what I was thinking. my plan is to be more withdrawn, keep more to myself, and only post when I have something to say. not feeling great about glasse, youngminii, or kenpachi. kenpachi never really contributes anything, just parrots what others say and is generally inactive
i don't have good meta read on glasse yet or youngminii though.
out of the active posters you're the scummiest imo
is that what you wanted to hear? i'm going to go away now until something happens thats worth posting about
i dont feel pandain is scummy yet just over ambitious and eccentric like always.
im gonna ##vote youngminii
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On November 15 2010 04:57 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:51 KtheZ wrote:On November 15 2010 04:23 deconduo wrote:
Just fyi, mafia have a copy of all role PMs. Wait wtf, seriously? Yep, to stop any 'my role PM says this so I'm legit' sort of thing.
shouldnt the town also have a copy then?
it would help a lot with this clam thing
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Sure, its not private or anything:
You are one of the twins, Calm or Clam. However you look so alike you don't even remember which one you are. You have the ability to turn an almost certain loss into a win.
Bulletproof, you can survive one extra hit, either mafia or hunter.
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Lurker's comment:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 15 2010 04:57 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:51 KtheZ wrote:On November 15 2010 04:23 deconduo wrote:
Just fyi, mafia have a copy of all role PMs. Wait wtf, seriously? Yep, to stop any 'my role PM says this so I'm legit' sort of thing. Honestly I thought it was standard on all the semi-open setups like this =/
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On November 15 2010 08:14 Hesmyrr wrote:Lurker's comment:+ Show Spoiler +On November 15 2010 04:57 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:51 KtheZ wrote:On November 15 2010 04:23 deconduo wrote:
Just fyi, mafia have a copy of all role PMs. Wait wtf, seriously? Yep, to stop any 'my role PM says this so I'm legit' sort of thing. Honestly I thought it was standard on all the semi-open setups like this =/
i dont get it are you calling kthez a lurker??
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On November 15 2010 09:16 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 08:14 Hesmyrr wrote:Lurker's comment:+ Show Spoiler +On November 15 2010 04:57 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:51 KtheZ wrote:On November 15 2010 04:23 deconduo wrote:
Just fyi, mafia have a copy of all role PMs. Wait wtf, seriously? Yep, to stop any 'my role PM says this so I'm legit' sort of thing. Honestly I thought it was standard on all the semi-open setups like this =/ i dont get it are you calling kthez a lurker??
no hes saying that everyone should know the role pms before the game in games like this
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This is my 2nd game actively participating in mafia; forgive me if I dont fully understand the rules :/
Although we dont have the role PMs O.o
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On November 15 2010 09:16 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 08:14 Hesmyrr wrote:Lurker's comment:+ Show Spoiler +On November 15 2010 04:57 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:51 KtheZ wrote:On November 15 2010 04:23 deconduo wrote:
Just fyi, mafia have a copy of all role PMs. Wait wtf, seriously? Yep, to stop any 'my role PM says this so I'm legit' sort of thing. Honestly I thought it was standard on all the semi-open setups like this =/ i dont get it are you calling kthez a lurker??
Hint, Hesmyrr isn't playing.
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Yeah for now I'll hafta stick with no one.
##VOTE: No one
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##vote: no one
Its too hard to tell if someones mafia or not atm
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if in doubt, lynch coagulation.
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can you really vote for no one?
also i would not do that, it makes it much easier to manipulate a vote for mafia if over half of the town doesnt even vote
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On November 12 2010 09:43 deconduo wrote:
Voting rules:
6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. You can however choose to ##Vote: No One. If 'No One' is the majority lynch, then there will be no lynch for that day phase and it will go to night time.
Read the rules!
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On November 15 2010 09:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if in doubt, lynch coagulation.
stop trying to walk all over me for no reason.
its getting old.
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On November 15 2010 04:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
you guys can lynch me if you're really stupid but please lynch pandain when i flip blue
ok sounds good. you already treat me like im stupid so nothing to lose right?
##vote DoctorHelvetica
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In order for No-Lynch, does No-One have to gain the most votes, or a majority of votes?
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I dont see why you would want a No lynch.
we need information
The best way to get information is to flip people and analyze posting based on their role.
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On November 15 2010 10:54 LSB wrote:
In order for No-Lynch, does No-One have to gain the most votes, or a majority of votes?
It says majority.
Also right now I am against not lynching.
Why?
Right now lynching will provide us information. Not lynching is like basically just allowing mafia to snipe one of us of, without us getting anything in return. Therefore, by not lynching, it's like we basically tell mafia "Hey! Have a free turn!" I think lynching unsure is better than not lynching. This may be controversial, but this is what I'm thinking right now.
I'm either for lynching Dr. H or one of the other inactive-like people (kenpachi, coag, i'll have to see more.)
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Okay, say we lynch coag. What information will we get?
Say we lynch Dr. H. What information will we get?
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On November 15 2010 11:06 LSB wrote:
Okay, say we lynch coag. What information will we get?
Say we lynch Dr. H. What information will we get?
1.One less person that could be mafia(if town)
2.Information on Dr. H
3.Information from his posts.
4.If he's mafia/town
Dr. H:
1.Information on Coag
2.Information on ARtanis
3.Information from whether he's scum/town
4.Possibly one less mafia.
So forth.
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SORRY PANDAIN BUT YOU CONVENIENTLY LEFT OUT SOMETHING ON DRH
On November 15 2010 11:12 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 11:06 LSB wrote:
Okay, say we lynch coag. What information will we get?
Say we lynch Dr. H. What information will we get? 1.One less person that could be mafia(if town) 2.Information on Dr. H 3.Information from his posts. 4.If he's mafia/town Dr. H: 1.Information on Coag 2.Information on ARtanis 3.Information from whether he's scum/town 4.Possibly one less mafia. 5.Information on PandainSo forth.
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im curious to know how lynching DocH can give info on Coag and Artanis?
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On November 15 2010 11:12 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 11:06 LSB wrote:
Okay, say we lynch coag. What information will we get?
Say we lynch Dr. H. What information will we get? 1.One less person that could be mafia(if town) 2.Information on Dr. H 3.Information from his posts. 4.If he's mafia/town Dr. H: 1.Information on Coag 2.Information on ARtanis 3.Information from whether he's scum/town 4.Possibly one less mafia. So forth.
All right, can you elaborate on these posts and information? What's the ties between coag and Doctor H? What information is in Coag's posts?
I don't lynch for information. That's bad policy. Lynch because their scum.
If your going to do a formal accusation. Go ahead.
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On November 15 2010 11:33 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 11:12 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2010 11:06 LSB wrote:
Okay, say we lynch coag. What information will we get?
Say we lynch Dr. H. What information will we get? 1.One less person that could be mafia(if town) 2.Information on Dr. H 3.Information from his posts. 4.If he's mafia/town Dr. H: 1.Information on Coag 2.Information on ARtanis 3.Information from whether he's scum/town 4.Possibly one less mafia. So forth. All right, can you elaborate on these posts and information? What's the ties between coag and Doctor H? What information is in Coag's posts? I don't lynch for information. That's bad policy. Lynch because their scum. If your going to do a formal accusation. Go ahead.
Coag-Dr. H: Dr. H came out of the blue with his first real post about how we shouldn't go into pressuring coag because nothing will come out of it. In addition, it is here where he contradicted himself with the whole "pressure" thing. Information on coag's posts, I admit there are not much except what can be gleamed from Dr. H.
Which is why I think Dr. H would be the better lynch.
I'm saying lynching, even if for information, is usually better than not lynching at all. Obviously we shouldn't prize someone as a lynch because of the information offered, but it is proof that it is better to lynch than to not.
Why do you want to not lynch? Again, all it will do is give mafia a free turn.
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rofl lynching people for "information" is such a bullshit scumplay
lynch your best and most experienced player cause it might give you "information", good call.
Pandain I never contradicted myself, stop beating a dead horse trying to get me lynched on bullshit. You don't get any information on anybody from me. What information on coagulation? That I think he's terrible at this game as either town OR mafia? Wow.
What information on Artanis? Everyone seems to agree that his claim seems legit and makes no sense as a mafia play. What information do you get? You can get the same bullshit "information" lynching anybody, that's why this play is so weak and terrible.
Hey town, why don't you think for a second before you go and off get rid of your most experienced player. Why does Pandain want to get rid of me? Think about if Pandain is mafia here:
- Mafia doesn't hit me
- Push suspicion on me for because I wasn't targeted night 1
- Make up shit about how I contradicted myself about pressuring or whatever Pandain is talking about, it doesn't even really make sense to me because his arguments never make sense
- Left out the fact that me flipping blue might incriminate him (obviously purposely)
- Same bad argumentation style in Insane Mafia (twist my words to make it seem like I'm being inconsistent, saying things that don't really make sense with the intent NOT of understanding what I'm saying but just of making me look bad)
- This terrible bullshit "lynch for information!" argument
Here's the thing. I always do the "lynch for information" bit when I'm mafia, or at least I had until BloodC0bbler told me in BrownBear's game that it was super obvious and that he was shocked no one knew I was mafia from DAY ONE starting that. I've been mafia probably more times than anyone here and I know bullshit when I see it. Guess what, that's all Pandain has to bring to the table.
##Vote Pandain
Pandain if you are town then you seriously need to go through Mafia boot camp and read Ver's guide. Seeing as how you always seek advice after games (and you usually PM me about it) I seriously doubt you still lack the skill and logical insight necessary to stop these awful tirades.
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Again, lynching for information applies almost soley to the debate as to whether to lynch or not to lynch. In no way does it apply to you. I said that because people suddenly decided to do "no vote" which I felt was stupid because lynches do offer information, and are better than not lynching BECAUSE they offer information as well as the fact it's basically just giving mafia a free turn if we don't lynch.
I agree you offer more information on coag than artanis, but again, that's besides the point.
I'm not saying to lynch you because of information. I'm saying to lynch you because you have not been contributing like you usually do(albeit there is a slight chance you are just trying to stay in shadows until BAM), you came out of the blue to support coag(thereby contradicting your earlier "don't be afraid to pressure someone.). Yet even that has a reason.
I'm honestly not sure whether to lynch you, but you strike out to me. Unless someone brings someone else up I'll probably stick with you. But again, you don't strike me as "OMG THIS GUY IS 100% SCUM" but rather "Well...this is my best bet."
Albeit I do agree I need to go through mafia boot camp :p
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On November 15 2010 12:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
rofl lynching people for "information" is such a bullshit scumplay
lynch your best and most experienced player cause it might give you "information", good call.
Pandain I never contradicted myself, stop beating a dead horse trying to get me lynched on bullshit. You don't get any information on anybody from me. What information on coagulation? That I think he's terrible at this game as either town OR mafia? Wow.
What information on Artanis? Everyone seems to agree that his claim seems legit and makes no sense as a mafia play. What information do you get? You can get the same bullshit "information" lynching anybody, that's why this play is so weak and terrible.
Hey town, why don't you think for a second before you go and off get rid of your most experienced player. Why does Pandain want to get rid of me? Think about if Pandain is mafia here:
- Mafia doesn't hit me
- Push suspicion on me for because I wasn't targeted night 1
- Make up shit about how I contradicted myself about pressuring or whatever Pandain is talking about, it doesn't even really make sense to me because his arguments never make sense
- Left out the fact that me flipping blue might incriminate him (obviously purposely)
- Same bad argumentation style in Insane Mafia (twist my words to make it seem like I'm being inconsistent, saying things that don't really make sense with the intent NOT of understanding what I'm saying but just of making me look bad)
- This terrible bullshit "lynch for information!" argument
Here's the thing. I always do the "lynch for information" bit when I'm mafia, or at least I had until BloodC0bbler told me in BrownBear's game that it was super obvious and that he was shocked no one knew I was mafia from DAY ONE starting that. I've been mafia probably more times than anyone here and I know bullshit when I see it. Guess what, that's all Pandain has to bring to the table.
##Vote Pandain
Pandain if you are town then you seriously need to go through Mafia boot camp and read Ver's guide. Seeing as how you always seek advice after games (and you usually PM me about it) I seriously doubt you still lack the skill and logical insight necessary to stop these awful tirades.
so you vote pandain cause he voted you?
OMGUS Much?
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uhhhhhhhh i offer zero information on coagulation lolol what the fuck are you talking about
Not contributing? Have you read my posts? I'm not spamming the shit out of the thread and saying every thought that comes to my brain like I usually do (read: my biggest mistake in insane mafia, read: ver's guide on how to play town)
I'm not supporting coag. I never defended him. In fact I was going to suggest if we lynch anybody it should be coagulation but you're being to be obvious right now.
Let me clear things up about Coagulation:
Coagulation is so so so so so so so bad at this mafia game there is almost nothing to analyse. Look at his play in my assassin in the palace game, it was embarrassing to watch. His mafia play and town play are exactly identical in badness. Putting pressure on him just encourages him to post more spam and bullshit.
IE: if we pressure somebody, it should be somebody that will respond to the pressure instead of a baddie like coag. if he's mafia he'll fuck up eventually so let's go for a different inactive.
I don't offer information on anybody. So maybe we should lynch the most experienced/best player to get information on the least experienced/worst player? LOL
It seems you can't understand the way I have changed my play in this game. I'm contributing (look at my posts, they are all ideas, suggestions, analysis for the most part) without dominating the town. I posted so much that the mafia was able to manipulate my thought process in insane mafia and it's the only reason I didn't have you, ace, and divinek hanging from the gallows in the first 3 days. Not gonna let that happen again.
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On November 15 2010 12:14 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 12:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
rofl lynching people for "information" is such a bullshit scumplay
lynch your best and most experienced player cause it might give you "information", good call.
Pandain I never contradicted myself, stop beating a dead horse trying to get me lynched on bullshit. You don't get any information on anybody from me. What information on coagulation? That I think he's terrible at this game as either town OR mafia? Wow.
What information on Artanis? Everyone seems to agree that his claim seems legit and makes no sense as a mafia play. What information do you get? You can get the same bullshit "information" lynching anybody, that's why this play is so weak and terrible.
Hey town, why don't you think for a second before you go and off get rid of your most experienced player. Why does Pandain want to get rid of me? Think about if Pandain is mafia here:
- Mafia doesn't hit me
- Push suspicion on me for because I wasn't targeted night 1
- Make up shit about how I contradicted myself about pressuring or whatever Pandain is talking about, it doesn't even really make sense to me because his arguments never make sense
- Left out the fact that me flipping blue might incriminate him (obviously purposely)
- Same bad argumentation style in Insane Mafia (twist my words to make it seem like I'm being inconsistent, saying things that don't really make sense with the intent NOT of understanding what I'm saying but just of making me look bad)
- This terrible bullshit "lynch for information!" argument
Here's the thing. I always do the "lynch for information" bit when I'm mafia, or at least I had until BloodC0bbler told me in BrownBear's game that it was super obvious and that he was shocked no one knew I was mafia from DAY ONE starting that. I've been mafia probably more times than anyone here and I know bullshit when I see it. Guess what, that's all Pandain has to bring to the table.
##Vote Pandain
Pandain if you are town then you seriously need to go through Mafia boot camp and read Ver's guide. Seeing as how you always seek advice after games (and you usually PM me about it) I seriously doubt you still lack the skill and logical insight necessary to stop these awful tirades. so you vote pandain cause he voted you? OMGUS Much?
read my post before you try to write it off with vague and untrue bullshit coagulation, you're only proving my point that you are the worst mafia player ever
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I knew I would regret it.
Yet now if i withdraw vote I look scummy
But again, who else do you think is a good lynch?
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On November 15 2010 12:17 Pandain wrote:I knew I would regret it. Yet now if i withdraw vote I look scummy But again, who else do you think is a good lynch?
well
you look like scum to me
coagulation is our worst player
i don't trust glasse's inactivity and iirc he made a kinda bad scummy post on me but that could have been in kingmaker, i don't exactly remember
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glasse wasn't even in kingmaker so it was in this game
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On November 15 2010 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 12:17 Pandain wrote:I knew I would regret it. Yet now if i withdraw vote I look scummy But again, who else do you think is a good lynch? well you look like scum to me coagulation is our worst player i don't trust glasse's inactivity and iirc he made a kinda bad scummy post on me but that could have been in kingmaker, i don't exactly remember
I don't think Pandain is scum. He isn't doing the stupid "I'm going to take out Doctor H through lynching!". He did back off, so it's his strange idea of 'pressuring'. I don't think it's much different from his normal play.
Coag, we're all counting on better play from you this game. Can you put a bit more thought into your posts. Like understanding whether something is actually town favored or mafia favored? I don't want to resort to lynching you because you "the worst player"
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Guys, I couldn't claim to be calm/clam as I was not confirmed yet. If I did, people could have thought I was mafia. If I thought I was viewed as confirmed already I would've considered it though, it crossed my mind before posting.
That said, a summary of the previous three pages:
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I would actually consider Pandain's withdrawal less scummy rather than more. From his play in insane mafia he just likes choosing a target and going through with it regardless. He's not doing that here which makes me less inclined to believe he's mafia.
Regarding the lynch: Not lynching anyone seems rather counterintuitive to me. It means no chance to hit a mafia and we're basically just giving them another day when we have no kp at night. If we have no real suspects, I'd say Coagulation is a good bet given that his play in previous games has been poor which means that if he's town, we will not have lost that much. I'm worried about the inactivity of Glasse as well though, and Kenpachi has been flying under the radar too. For now I'm going to leave my vote here but will consider changing to either one of those barring unforeseen developments.
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##Unvote Dr. H
I just hope you really aren't mafia haha.
Hmm.... I'll wait for more people talking before voting again.
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I disagree. Maybe he learned his lesson not to be so tenacious after Insane Mafia (since I told him in PM that in future games when he is losing a bandwagon/argument as mafia he should just back off and go with the flow of the town)
doesn't clear him in the slightest
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Regarding the lynch.
I believe that Pandain, Coagulation, Glasse, and Kenpachi are all playing like normal. The issue is whether or not we should peruse a policy lynch. Whether or not we should lynch people because they are acting like scum.
Things to consider. I can track one of the four people mentioned. That could verify a player, one way for us to doge using a policy lynch.
Normally I'd suggest against a policy lynch. However, there have been no major 'slipups' day 1. Except for Pandain, but that's normal for him.
If we are going to actually go for a policy lynch, I am against policy lynching Pandain and Coagulation
Pandain actually tries to do stuff, and he has moments.
I know/think that Coag actually tries, so I'd rather not lynch him. Addressed to Coag: if you want to get better, maybe you can bounce ideas off of someone else who isn't playing the game?
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Playing like "normal" doesn't mean you can't be scum
I feel Pandain is playing like scum. I feel that Glasse isn't playing like normal. There is no "normal" for Glasse because there is no meta read on him whatsoever
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about glasse
I dont think i have seen him do anything that would draw attention to him but that might be exactly what hes trying to do.
from the 2 games i have played with him he is generally very outgoing and jokes alot and has very little worries about what town thinks about him.
he hasnt done that at all this game. mostly inactive at this point.
about kenpachi
He hasnt really contributed much but from what i remember he doesnt post at all in any of the other games unless someone is actually actively trying to get him lynched or what not. so i dont see any significant warning signs in him laying low but i think we really need to get him talking.
about pandain pushing doch
I wouldnt be too suprised to find out one of them are red. but im a little confused why pandain would back down and ask drh who he thinks a good lynch right after doch got done writing a half page analysis on why he thinks pandain is scum and then votes pandain. i dont know what to make of that. is it scummy? i dont know. is it weird. yes.
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On November 15 2010 12:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Playing like "normal" doesn't mean you can't be scum
I feel Pandain is playing like scum. I feel that Glasse isn't playing like normal. There is no "normal" for Glasse because there is no meta read on him whatsoever
Yes, I know that playing like 'normal' doesn't mean that they are town.
What I'm saying is that normal analysis isn't going to apply to people who don't play normally.
I could never read people like Divinek/Bill Murray, because they both seemed scummy to me all the time.
As for Glasse, I'd be willing to lynch him, because to him, playing like normal means to make cat sounds and not much else.
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Oh yeah.
Don't you think if Coagulation was mafia, his partner would have forced him to convert someone else day one?
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Pandain started off playing the same way he was as mafia but he backed off when it was clear he couldn't get me lynched, something I advised him to do as mafia in the future
no way is he cleared
glasse played quietly and helpfully in haunted mafia, insanely and wildly in insane mafia, so there is really no way of knowing how he plays as mafia, he's never been mafia.
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On November 15 2010 12:47 LSB wrote:
Regarding the lynch.
I believe that Pandain, Coagulation, Glasse, and Kenpachi are all playing like normal. The issue is whether or not we should peruse a policy lynch. Whether or not we should lynch people because they are acting like scum.
Things to consider. I can track one of the four people mentioned. That could verify a player, one way for us to doge using a policy lynch.
Normally I'd suggest against a policy lynch. However, there have been no major 'slipups' day 1. Except for Pandain, but that's normal for him.
If we are going to actually go for a policy lynch, I am against policy lynching Pandain and Coagulation
Pandain actually tries to do stuff, and he has moments.
I know/think that Coag actually tries, so I'd rather not lynch him. Addressed to Coag: if you want to get better, maybe you can bounce ideas off of someone else who isn't playing the game?
i will be the first to admit i am very inexperienced. i will be playing in mafia boot camp and hopefully refining my ability to contribute to town more efficiently.
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On November 15 2010 12:54 LSB wrote:
Oh yeah.
Don't you think if Coagulation was mafia, his partner would have forced him to convert someone else day one?
yeah, good point. i sure as hell would.
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Dont you think if i was mafia i would of converted someone day 1 just from the fact that im bouncing off the lynch coag day 1 bullshit from kingmaker mafia. Im not stupid and neither is mafia. I was well aware that i would be dealing wth the same shit in this game. plus now its magnified more because now im the easiest target for them to go after without leaving a scum trail.
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##Vote No one
Reading through the thread.
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Okay right now I think Pandain is not scum. Basically it all boils down to the fact that he went against no lynch. Now, the lynch is the town's most important weapon for two reasons. One is it allows you to kill someone. Two is because of the activity and discussion it generates. These two reasons mean a lynch should never be passed up UNLESS there's a specific scenario that benefits the town by not lynching (ie. 2 scum and 4 town, if there's a mislynch then town loses but if you abstain then you get to live another day with 2 scum and 3 town).
In that light:
Vote DoctorHelvetica
My vote is based on the fact that in Insane Mafia he was so adamant about defending himself against all of Pandain's silly accusations yet in this game he just fires right back at Pandain.
metagame ftw
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On November 15 2010 12:51 Coagulation wrote:
about glasse
I dont think i have seen him do anything that would draw attention to him but that might be exactly what hes trying to do.
from the 2 games i have played with him he is generally very outgoing and jokes alot and has very little worries about what town thinks about him.
he hasnt done that at all this game. mostly inactive at this point.
sorry :3
don't worry though, now i will be bored in class all week and act as retarded as usual.
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On November 15 2010 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 12:17 Pandain wrote:I knew I would regret it. Yet now if i withdraw vote I look scummy But again, who else do you think is a good lynch? well you look like scum to me coagulation is our worst player i don't trust glasse's inactivity and iirc he made a kinda bad scummy post on me but that could have been in kingmaker, i don't exactly remember
On November 15 2010 12:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
glasse wasn't even in kingmaker so it was in this game
what? where?
Also coag, you're asking for it.. i was planning on being quiet but helpful, now i must unleash the derp.
Also, going to vote for a lurker
##Vote: Kenpachi
Can we get an official vote count?
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Votes:
No Lynch (3)
KtheZ
LSB
kenpachi
Dr. H (2)
youngminii
Coagulation
Pandain (1)
Dr. H
Kenpachi (1)
Glasse
Coagulation (1)
Artanis
Yet to vote: Pandain
Voting ends in just under 8 hours.
To clarify some more voting rules:
-The person with the most votes will get lynched (not the majority, sorry). This includes 'No One'
-If there is a tie, then no one will be lynched.
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you forgot artanis. hes voting me.
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I really, really don't like the tie rule. If there's 2scum vs 4town at the end, then scum only needs to gain the support of one player to secure a victory.
In any case, I suppose I'll try do an analysis on DrH.
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On November 15 2010 23:23 youngminii wrote:
I really, really don't like the tie rule. If there's 2scum vs 4town at the end, then scum only needs to gain the support of one player to secure a victory.
In any case, I suppose I'll try do an analysis on DrH.
This way actually favours town slightly in the long run.
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How does it? It gives scum a 1 vote leeway for dodging a lynch. That's terrible for town.
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On November 14 2010 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really don't like the idea of everyone knowing what the shrink/doctors are gonna do. If we direct the blues that easily then the mafia simply only have to do exactly the opposite of what they shrink has claimed to do in the thread.
If the mafia know the shrink is protecting player x, they will just never convert player x, meaning they will never fail in their conversion.
The doctor and the shrink should feel comfortable acting on their own discretion. You need to understand what the best targets for mafia are. For death, strong blues (like LSB) will be the main target. For conversion, veterans/good players (myself, LSB) will be the strongest targets. Try to predict what the mafia are going to do, don't give them information. If we're going to do some sort of mass roleclaim thing, it needs to be set-up so that the mafia are forced to give the town bogus information. Mafia want to play the game giving as little information as possible in regards to everything, forcing them to come out of the woodwork is what will make them slip-up. Don't be scared to pressure.
This is a wishy washy post. Instead of saying "Shrink/Doctor should not do this" he says "I really don't like the idea of..." He comes off as passive, doesn't push his opinion aggressively so that he doesn't put too much spotlight on himself. He gives 'advice' - "Don't be scared to pressure" which is obvious and makes him look pro-town. It also sets himself up to start pressuring people, which will ultimately lead to people getting lynched and allowing him to paint other people in a bad light.
As scum, of course he doesn't mind a mass roleclaim. Mass roleclaiming this early will only help scum, and instead of saying "Don't roleclaim" like a townie would, he says IF you roleclaim blah blah blah. Hell, even the core of his post is scummy, of course he doesn't want Shrinks and Doctors to have their actions coordinated by town, it'll only help scum so he tries to put down the idea as under the radar as possible.
On November 14 2010 08:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Also town, if you feel someone is pretty strongly pro-town I'd advise you not to tell the town (hey I think player X is definitely a townie)
wait and watch, mafia might try to make a bad case on that person and fall into the trap. it's ok to keep your thoughts to yourself. we don't need to know everything you're thinking and the mafia CERTAINLY don't.
Trying to prevent town from coordination and planning. The less information the town has, the better for scum.
On November 14 2010 14:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
That is true. You're also the best target in the case of there being no mafia suspects.
We need to scumhunt instead of putting pressure on you. You never respond well to it anyway, it's pointless.
Possible link here between DrH and Coag. If DrH flips red, I'd keep an eye on Coag. Maybe DrH is defending Coag because he thinks Coag will probably end up hurting town by his play (no offence Coag!)
On November 15 2010 03:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 02:39 KtheZ wrote:
I think it is probably safe to say artanis really is a vet; He seems to have a legit role pm.
He said that he is neither calm nor clam, but nowhere in the rules said that the vet role would be both calm/clam.
Unless another vet comes and refutes artanis's role pm claim (because it is safe to assume the other vet got the same pm), then we can say artanis really is town. he didn't say he was neither calm nor clam he said he was either calm or clam, he just doesn't know which one big difference. we can't just accept artanis as 100% town. vet is one of the best fakeclaims for a mafia, but something about his play doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me as mafia. he's at the bottom of my suspects list really wish he refused to answer that question about his role pm. would have been such a good trap if he said he was calm and then some mafia said "well im clam"
Still trying to hush down the information town has. I think we can accept artanis as town for now, it won't hurt anyone to do so. We can determine his alignment later on if things don't add up. DrH on the other hand, blankets this information with a veil of insecurity, a very scum-like play.
On November 15 2010 03:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 01:20 LSB wrote:
Come to think about it
Artanis[Xp] was probably hit because 1) He didn't have any relations to anyone. 2) He's probably regarded as a vet. i would think i'd be the day 1 target maybe mafia predicted i would be protected by a doctor or they're doing the same strategy I did in Micro Mafia Redemption where we intentionally avoided hitting vets so I wouldn't fall under suspicion for being the "last vet alive"
The old "I'm probably the target" cover. Makes him look as secure as possible if he brings up the idea of mafia trying to target him.
On November 15 2010 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i said I'm changing my game strategy
I posted too much in insane mafia and I let the town know too much of what I was thinking. my plan is to be more withdrawn, keep more to myself, and only post when I have something to say. not feeling great about glasse, youngminii, or kenpachi. kenpachi never really contributes anything, just parrots what others say and is generally inactive
i don't have good meta read on glasse yet or youngminii though.
out of the active posters you're the scummiest imo
is that what you wanted to hear? i'm going to go away now until something happens thats worth posting about
"i said I'm changing my game strategy" - simplest cover
Instead of playing as he normally does (logical, defensive, assertive, mannered and well presented), he kind of just dismisses the accusations against him, tries to put the limelight on other people and then posts in a very aggressive manner.
On November 15 2010 04:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
you guys can lynch me if you're really stupid but please lynch pandain when i flip blue
THIS IS NOT DRH TOWN STYLE PLAY. DrH would never be a jackass like this as town, he's pulling a Coag here.
On November 15 2010 09:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if in doubt, lynch coagulation.
..No.
On November 15 2010 12:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
rofl lynching people for "information" is such a bullshit scumplay
lynch your best and most experienced player cause it might give you "information", good call.
Pandain I never contradicted myself, stop beating a dead horse trying to get me lynched on bullshit. You don't get any information on anybody from me. What information on coagulation? That I think he's terrible at this game as either town OR mafia? Wow.
What information on Artanis? Everyone seems to agree that his claim seems legit and makes no sense as a mafia play. What information do you get? You can get the same bullshit "information" lynching anybody, that's why this play is so weak and terrible.
Hey town, why don't you think for a second before you go and off get rid of your most experienced player. Why does Pandain want to get rid of me? Think about if Pandain is mafia here:
- Mafia doesn't hit me
- Push suspicion on me for because I wasn't targeted night 1
- Make up shit about how I contradicted myself about pressuring or whatever Pandain is talking about, it doesn't even really make sense to me because his arguments never make sense
- Left out the fact that me flipping blue might incriminate him (obviously purposely)
- Same bad argumentation style in Insane Mafia (twist my words to make it seem like I'm being inconsistent, saying things that don't really make sense with the intent NOT of understanding what I'm saying but just of making me look bad)
- This terrible bullshit "lynch for information!" argument
Here's the thing. I always do the "lynch for information" bit when I'm mafia, or at least I had until BloodC0bbler told me in BrownBear's game that it was super obvious and that he was shocked no one knew I was mafia from DAY ONE starting that. I've been mafia probably more times than anyone here and I know bullshit when I see it. Guess what, that's all Pandain has to bring to the table.
##Vote Pandain
Pandain if you are town then you seriously need to go through Mafia boot camp and read Ver's guide. Seeing as how you always seek advice after games (and you usually PM me about it) I seriously doubt you still lack the skill and logical insight necessary to stop these awful tirades.
The gem of DrH's posts. He uses his jackass attitude that he's created in this game to try and push a vote against Pandain.
First, DrH is not a jackass. It is beneficial if he acts like one though, if he can attack someone aggressively for a reason as simple as OMGUS.
Second, lynching for information is not a bad thing. It is a good thing. Especially when there's someone scummy around.
Thrid, who was the one that originally said "don't be afraid to pressure"? Lynching is a form of pressure, you pressure someone then lynch them if they don't act accordingly. You are saying don't lynch for information, that is essentially saying don't pressure for information. This is contradictory and scummy.
For more information go read Pandain's analysis, it covers most of DrH's earlier posts where it's just mindless, under-the-radar type of posting.
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On November 15 2010 18:44 youngminii wrote:
Okay right now I think Pandain is not scum. Basically it all boils down to the fact that he went against no lynch. Now, the lynch is the town's most important weapon for two reasons. One is it allows you to kill someone. Two is because of the activity and discussion it generates. These two reasons mean a lynch should never be passed up UNLESS there's a specific scenario that benefits the town by not lynching (ie. 2 scum and 4 town, if there's a mislynch then town loses but if you abstain then you get to live another day with 2 scum and 3 town).
In that light:
Vote DoctorHelvetica
My vote is based on the fact that in Insane Mafia he was so adamant about defending himself against all of Pandain's silly accusations yet in this game he just fires right back at Pandain.
metagame ftw
How many times do I have to say I'm not playing exactly the same way in Insane Mafia because I learned from my mistakes?
"You're scum because you're not playing EXACTLY THE SAME"
You're smarter than that youngminii. Even you told me to stop nitpicking at all his shitty arguments and thats what I'm doing. Would you rather I flood the town with useless arguments? No. Of course you wouldn't because you yelled at me for doing so in Insane Mafia and I realized how bad it was.
On top of that uber-defensiveness is MAFIA TELLING. The fact that I don't feel the need to defend myself on every little thing is more town than anything. Jesus christ YM.
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On November 15 2010 23:48 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really don't like the idea of everyone knowing what the shrink/doctors are gonna do. If we direct the blues that easily then the mafia simply only have to do exactly the opposite of what they shrink has claimed to do in the thread.
If the mafia know the shrink is protecting player x, they will just never convert player x, meaning they will never fail in their conversion.
The doctor and the shrink should feel comfortable acting on their own discretion. You need to understand what the best targets for mafia are. For death, strong blues (like LSB) will be the main target. For conversion, veterans/good players (myself, LSB) will be the strongest targets. Try to predict what the mafia are going to do, don't give them information. If we're going to do some sort of mass roleclaim thing, it needs to be set-up so that the mafia are forced to give the town bogus information. Mafia want to play the game giving as little information as possible in regards to everything, forcing them to come out of the woodwork is what will make them slip-up. Don't be scared to pressure. This is a wishy washy post. Instead of saying "Shrink/Doctor should not do this" he says "I really don't like the idea of..." He comes off as passive, doesn't push his opinion aggressively so that he doesn't put too much spotlight on himself. He gives 'advice' - "Don't be scared to pressure" which is obvious and makes him look pro-town. It also sets himself up to start pressuring people, which will ultimately lead to people getting lynched and allowing him to paint other people in a bad light. As scum, of course he doesn't mind a mass roleclaim. Mass roleclaiming this early will only help scum, and instead of saying "Don't roleclaim" like a townie would, he says IF you roleclaim blah blah blah. Hell, even the core of his post is scummy, of course he doesn't want Shrinks and Doctors to have their actions coordinated by town, it'll only help scum so he tries to put down the idea as under the radar as possible. Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 08:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Also town, if you feel someone is pretty strongly pro-town I'd advise you not to tell the town (hey I think player X is definitely a townie)
wait and watch, mafia might try to make a bad case on that person and fall into the trap. it's ok to keep your thoughts to yourself. we don't need to know everything you're thinking and the mafia CERTAINLY don't. Trying to prevent town from coordination and planning. The less information the town has, the better for scum. Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 14:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
That is true. You're also the best target in the case of there being no mafia suspects.
We need to scumhunt instead of putting pressure on you. You never respond well to it anyway, it's pointless. Possible link here between DrH and Coag. If DrH flips red, I'd keep an eye on Coag. Maybe DrH is defending Coag because he thinks Coag will probably end up hurting town by his play (no offence Coag!) Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 03:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 15 2010 02:39 KtheZ wrote:
I think it is probably safe to say artanis really is a vet; He seems to have a legit role pm.
He said that he is neither calm nor clam, but nowhere in the rules said that the vet role would be both calm/clam.
Unless another vet comes and refutes artanis's role pm claim (because it is safe to assume the other vet got the same pm), then we can say artanis really is town. he didn't say he was neither calm nor clam he said he was either calm or clam, he just doesn't know which one big difference. we can't just accept artanis as 100% town. vet is one of the best fakeclaims for a mafia, but something about his play doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me as mafia. he's at the bottom of my suspects list really wish he refused to answer that question about his role pm. would have been such a good trap if he said he was calm and then some mafia said "well im clam" Still trying to hush down the information town has. I think we can accept artanis as town for now, it won't hurt anyone to do so. We can determine his alignment later on if things don't add up. DrH on the other hand, blankets this information with a veil of insecurity, a very scum-like play. Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 03:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 15 2010 01:20 LSB wrote:
Come to think about it
Artanis[Xp] was probably hit because 1) He didn't have any relations to anyone. 2) He's probably regarded as a vet. i would think i'd be the day 1 target maybe mafia predicted i would be protected by a doctor or they're doing the same strategy I did in Micro Mafia Redemption where we intentionally avoided hitting vets so I wouldn't fall under suspicion for being the "last vet alive" The old "I'm probably the target" cover. Makes him look as secure as possible if he brings up the idea of mafia trying to target him. Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i said I'm changing my game strategy
I posted too much in insane mafia and I let the town know too much of what I was thinking. my plan is to be more withdrawn, keep more to myself, and only post when I have something to say. not feeling great about glasse, youngminii, or kenpachi. kenpachi never really contributes anything, just parrots what others say and is generally inactive
i don't have good meta read on glasse yet or youngminii though.
out of the active posters you're the scummiest imo
is that what you wanted to hear? i'm going to go away now until something happens thats worth posting about "i said I'm changing my game strategy" - simplest cover Instead of playing as he normally does (logical, defensive, assertive, mannered and well presented), he kind of just dismisses the accusations against him, tries to put the limelight on other people and then posts in a very aggressive manner. Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
you guys can lynch me if you're really stupid but please lynch pandain when i flip blue THIS IS NOT DRH TOWN STYLE PLAY. DrH would never be a jackass like this as town, he's pulling a Coag here.Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 09:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if in doubt, lynch coagulation. ..No. Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 12:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
rofl lynching people for "information" is such a bullshit scumplay
lynch your best and most experienced player cause it might give you "information", good call.
Pandain I never contradicted myself, stop beating a dead horse trying to get me lynched on bullshit. You don't get any information on anybody from me. What information on coagulation? That I think he's terrible at this game as either town OR mafia? Wow.
What information on Artanis? Everyone seems to agree that his claim seems legit and makes no sense as a mafia play. What information do you get? You can get the same bullshit "information" lynching anybody, that's why this play is so weak and terrible.
Hey town, why don't you think for a second before you go and off get rid of your most experienced player. Why does Pandain want to get rid of me? Think about if Pandain is mafia here:
- Mafia doesn't hit me
- Push suspicion on me for because I wasn't targeted night 1
- Make up shit about how I contradicted myself about pressuring or whatever Pandain is talking about, it doesn't even really make sense to me because his arguments never make sense
- Left out the fact that me flipping blue might incriminate him (obviously purposely)
- Same bad argumentation style in Insane Mafia (twist my words to make it seem like I'm being inconsistent, saying things that don't really make sense with the intent NOT of understanding what I'm saying but just of making me look bad)
- This terrible bullshit "lynch for information!" argument
Here's the thing. I always do the "lynch for information" bit when I'm mafia, or at least I had until BloodC0bbler told me in BrownBear's game that it was super obvious and that he was shocked no one knew I was mafia from DAY ONE starting that. I've been mafia probably more times than anyone here and I know bullshit when I see it. Guess what, that's all Pandain has to bring to the table.
##Vote Pandain
Pandain if you are town then you seriously need to go through Mafia boot camp and read Ver's guide. Seeing as how you always seek advice after games (and you usually PM me about it) I seriously doubt you still lack the skill and logical insight necessary to stop these awful tirades. The gem of DrH's posts. He uses his jackass attitude that he's created in this game to try and push a vote against Pandain. First, DrH is not a jackass. It is beneficial if he acts like one though, if he can attack someone aggressively for a reason as simple as OMGUS. Second, lynching for information is not a bad thing. It is a good thing. Especially when there's someone scummy around. Thrid, who was the one that originally said "don't be afraid to pressure"? Lynching is a form of pressure, you pressure someone then lynch them if they don't act accordingly. You are saying don't lynch for information, that is essentially saying don't pressure for information. This is contradictory and scummy. For more information go read Pandain's analysis, it covers most of DrH's earlier posts where it's just mindless, under-the-radar type of posting.
Wow this is bad. You guys are going to kick yourself in the teeth and town better lynch you if I flip blue. Unlike Pandain, you're pretty smart with mafia and I would never expect you to make a bad analysis like this.
First let me address the OMGUS thing because coagulation made the same mistake (and I believe he is your scumbuddy). OMGUS is voting for someone ONLY because they voted for you. It is not necessarily a scumtell. Voting for someone who voted for you does not necessitate an OMGUS. If I felt Pandains arguments were scummy (such as they were in Insane Mafia) then that's a reasonable time to start a counter bandwagon.
OMGUS is if you vote for me without saying anything and I just suddenly vote for you back. There's no argument, no scum analysis, no nothing.
Relying on mafiascum scumtells to "scumhunt" is the worst thing you could ever do. About half the time they are just bad play. You should be aware of them but the most important thing to note is how the mafia subtly defend themselves and one another, how they argue, etc. Do you really think a player such as myself is going to go around doing all the obvious scumtells (OMGUS, Chainsaw, etc.)
Secondly lets talk about meta because I'm sick of this thing. "He didn't play the same way as Insane Mafia!" Well guess what? I'm not playing the same way as I have in ANY game where I've been mafia either? What does that mean? That means the meta speculation is completely 100% inconclusive.
Let me say this AGAIN because it seems neither you or Pandain understood or read it or something. In Insane Mafia, as town, I did TOO MUCH POSTING. NOT ENOUGH THINKING. Because i posted everything that came to mind, the mafia knew what I was thinking and could manipulate my thought process more. Read Ver's (best town player here) guide on how to play town. He advises town players not to POST CONSTANTLY. To keep some of their thoughts to themselves. Read it read it read it. This is not the play of a mafia.
No jackass attitude? What are you talking about? I've posted like a "jackass" twice in my mafia career: Insane Mafia (town), Micro Mafia (mafia). As town I have no issues calling a player terrible. Read my arguments with Pandain in insane mafia. I constantly say "your arguments are retarded, you are bad, you suck stop trying"
I laughed at him and belittled his terrible arguments just like I did here. Because they were just that: retarded arguments. And I laughed at them. I didn't just coolly and logically deconstruct them, I openly mocked them. This is not inconsistent posting behavior for me dude, you're grasping at straws.
And guess what happens when you prod at a mafia a little bit, make them mad? They want to attack you even more. They fuck up even more and make themselves look even worse. Don't be an idiot, I posted many times with this tone in the Insane Mafia game.
"Lynching for information is a good thing"
Not when you're lynching your most experienced player to get information on who? Artanis? Coagulation? Are you fucking kidding me lol. Lynching for information is pretty good super late game when you know you can catch a bunch of mafia that way.
So let me ask you YM. What great information will you get when I die? Is that the scumplan to bandwagon Pandain right after? Maybe town should think before they lynch the best player on such terrible arguments.
-The lynch coagulation thing was a joke. I was at work on my phone.
-"This is not DrH style play" Well I already told you why thats wrong. The point of that post was so that town would lynch Pandain when I flip blue, a reasonable request. Now I'd like to request they lynch you instead.
-It's not a defense, it's a fact. Sorry I'm not posting 100% of my thoughts like a retard in this thread. I've never been very well mannered, don't know where you got that. "Kinda dismisses" maybe you missed the posts where I actually did pick Pandain's bad arguments apart?
-"I'm probably the target" is not a COVER. It makes me look scummy that I survived, not the opposite. Jesus.
-Hush down what information? LOL do you really think that we as town should say everything on our minds and give eachother all information in the open where mafia can see it? Of course you want complete open trade if information, it helps you doesn't it? But where in that post am I "blanketing" anything?
-I'd say the connection is between coag and you. I've hosted 2 games with coagulation and played in him with 3. He is not good at responding to pressure, he just simply doesn't and it wastes time. I'd rather pressure a different inactive. I'm not defending him. I think he might just maybe be your scumbuddy.
-"Trying to prevent town from coordination and planning. The less information the town has, the better for scum." You're a clown. I've explained many times while this is not beneficial for the town to share and why it helps the mafia to share it. Let me elaborate.
1. As bandwagons form, peoples natural opinions of who is or isn't town will naturally affect that.
2. As the town reveals who they feel is definitely town, the mafia can avoid bandwagoning hard targets, can also reinforce the idea that one of their own is town and manipulate the shit out of town.
3. We need to be discussing who is or isn't mafia, not who is town. Sorry our goal in this game is to lynch mafia players.
You're reading too much into the phrase "I really don't like the idea of."
I NEVER SAID I DON'T WANT SHRINKS AND DOCTORS TO BE COORDINATED. Listen. You should not BROADCAST exactly what the fucking blues are going to do. If the Mafia knows Doctors are proting player X then they just have to hit player Y. The whole point of the Doctor is to predict the mafia and block a shot.
"It will also set him up to start pressuring people.
GASP OH NO HE'S GONNA PRESSURE PEOPLE
Also I'm still thinking about the idea of a mass roleclaim. There is only 1 of every role besides the mafia and the bulletproof. The mafia suspects would be narrowed down to four and 1/2 of those suspects in the roleclaim would be mafia. Narrowing it down to 50/50 would allow us to go back at the posts and see among which the scummiest are.
It would probably be more of a nuisance to the mafia than anything. More so than TELLING THEM WHAT THE DOCTOR OR SHRINK IS GOING TO DO.
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Yeah, no. I don't think anyone would take what you just said and correlate it to mean 'townie'.
But uhh, just so you know, I never said anything about lynching Coag. And hey, if we're telling the doctor to protect the tracker, then nobody will care if scum knows about it. Because it's a coordinated plan to protect the tracker. Yes, scum will never target tracker and hence never waste the hit but the original idea was to protect the tracker.
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I especially love how you start off your defense by saying "wow this is bad". Your aggressiveness is so different to how you played in the early game, it's almost as if you've completely changed your style to suit your needs. Oh wait what that sounds scummy.
Wow this is bad.
Wow.
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Are you seriously implying that's not what I did in my arguments against pandain in the last game.
If you're going to accuse me of changing my argumentation style you should make sure I actually did change it first.
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i imagine it'll be just as bad/even worse than his attacks on me earlier
the more he can do to discredit himself as a valuable player the more everyone will see that nothing he says makes any sense and we can move on to more pressing issues
YOU ARE SO BAD AT LYING
Why don't you go ahead and say I made the role of sticky up so I can make you look even more desperate and ridiculous.
This is baseless bullshit designed to make me look bad. That's all that is. This is garbage.
Good, maybe Pandain will stop his dumb campaign of bullshit against me now.
Yeah I've always been very nice right?
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I hope you don't think a few posts with some colourful language actually clears you.
I'm not going to let you dodge this lynch.
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Clears me from what?
Your whole argument seems to be based on this flimsy metagame shit that "He's acting like a jerk in this game but he was ALWAYS polite and never a jerk in insane mafia therefore he is mafia"
That's weak on any player, much less using that to try to get the most experienced player lynched. Metagame arguments aren't very good, they supplement real arguments. Insane Mafia was my first town game (I died too quick in Kingmaker) and I learned a lot from it.
Not only did you not respond to any of the specific points of my defense, but you're just pushing this idea that I've taken a 180 degree turn from my previous town play. Not really. I'm not posting as much and that's an intentional decision. Read my after-post in Insane Mafia, I said over and over I made the mistake of posting too much as town. This isn't an excuse I'm making up now.
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On November 16 2010 02:45 youngminii wrote:
I especially love how you start off your defense by saying "wow this is bad". Your aggressiveness is so different to how you played in the early game, it's almost as if you've completely changed your style to suit your needs. Oh wait what that sounds scummy.
Wow this is bad.
Wow.
From my only game as town where I performed abysmally because I posted too much and didn't put the right kind of pressure on mafia and got ignored?
Yeah how dare I change my style I must be scum! Town players never change their minds and always play exactly the same in every game no matter what the scenario!
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Please don't try to pick one part of my argument and act like it represents my entire argument so you can attack that specific point and make it look like you're logically attacking my entire argument. I hope no one falls for it, I really do.
You say you posted too much as town. What have you posted in this game? Meaningless posts, until Pandain accused you. Then you got all aggressive and mad and tried to turn the tide back on him. Bad scum, bad.
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You changed your style from the beginningish of this game. You were all passive and got all aggressive as soon as someone tried to point fingers at you.
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On November 16 2010 03:20 youngminii wrote:
Please don't try to pick one part of my argument and act like it represents my entire argument so you can attack that specific point and make it look like you're logically attacking my entire argument. I hope no one falls for it, I really do.
You say you posted too much as town. What have you posted in this game? Meaningless posts, until Pandain accused you. Then you got all aggressive and mad and tried to turn the tide back on him. Bad scum, bad.
Please don't try to pick one part of my argument
Well I picked your entire argument. You ignored that completely and decided to keep talking about how much my style has changed. So it's pretty clear that seems to be your focus. Again, ignore the post where I actually deconstructed your whole case, keep talking about the style change that doesn't really exist.
Meaningless posts? Yeah, focus on the 3-4 posts that didn't contribute much and ignore everything else. I wanted to lay a bit low at the beginning, consider everything before I come in. Not to mention I was very busy at the very start of this game (starting a new job, helping grandma unpack/move stuff all weekend/etc.)
On November 14 2010 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really don't like the idea of everyone knowing what the shrink/doctors are gonna do. If we direct the blues that easily then the mafia simply only have to do exactly the opposite of what they shrink has claimed to do in the thread.
If the mafia know the shrink is protecting player x, they will just never convert player x, meaning they will never fail in their conversion.
The doctor and the shrink should feel comfortable acting on their own discretion. You need to understand what the best targets for mafia are. For death, strong blues (like LSB) will be the main target. For conversion, veterans/good players (myself, LSB) will be the strongest targets. Try to predict what the mafia are going to do, don't give them information. If we're going to do some sort of mass roleclaim thing, it needs to be set-up so that the mafia are forced to give the town bogus information. Mafia want to play the game giving as little information as possible in regards to everything, forcing them to come out of the woodwork is what will make them slip-up. Don't be scared to pressure.
Around here I've considered what's going on and start contributing my thoughts. That continues as I try to set-up a possible trap for KtheZ and up till now. No I didn't just start posting when I was accused. Even if I did what should I do? Just keep spewing one-liners? Not defend myself when someone makes a bad accusation? That's basically saying "you're scum because you defended yourself when someone called you scum"
Being aggressive is NOT mafia behavior. Besides Micro Mafia (when I was arguing against champs like coagulation and NB) I'm a pretty meek mafia player. Telling the town what they want to hear, taking the easy argument, passive and meek defenses. There is nothing wrong with being aggressive YM. Look at Ace's town play, he's the biggest dick there is, and it WORKS.
Saying I'm attacking the one part of your argument to make it look like I'm attacking your whole argument. LOL. Looks like you didn't read my posts buddy.
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On November 16 2010 03:21 youngminii wrote:
You changed your style from the beginningish of this game. You were all passive and got all aggressive as soon as someone tried to point fingers at you.
Sorry for defending myself! I forgot only mafia players bothered to argue against players who accused them of being scum, a townie would just shut up and keep spamming. Sorry.
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On November 16 2010 03:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I wanted to lay a bit low at the beginning
Case closed.
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On November 16 2010 03:29 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 03:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I wanted to lay a bit low at the beginning Case closed.
keep on ignoring everything and twisting my words buddy
i'm sure everyone is dumb enough to buy it
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##Vote Youngminii
Most obvious scum since Pandain in last game. Not gonna win this time playing this foolishly.
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On November 16 2010 03:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Most obvious scum since Pandain in last game. Not gonna win this time playing this foolishly.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
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Hey remember that time when you said I never addressed your arguments and just attacked your metagame accusations to make it look like i did when I actually did address all of your arguments and you just ignored it and posted a lot hoping people would forget
On November 16 2010 02:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 23:48 youngminii wrote:On November 14 2010 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really don't like the idea of everyone knowing what the shrink/doctors are gonna do. If we direct the blues that easily then the mafia simply only have to do exactly the opposite of what they shrink has claimed to do in the thread.
If the mafia know the shrink is protecting player x, they will just never convert player x, meaning they will never fail in their conversion.
The doctor and the shrink should feel comfortable acting on their own discretion. You need to understand what the best targets for mafia are. For death, strong blues (like LSB) will be the main target. For conversion, veterans/good players (myself, LSB) will be the strongest targets. Try to predict what the mafia are going to do, don't give them information. If we're going to do some sort of mass roleclaim thing, it needs to be set-up so that the mafia are forced to give the town bogus information. Mafia want to play the game giving as little information as possible in regards to everything, forcing them to come out of the woodwork is what will make them slip-up. Don't be scared to pressure. This is a wishy washy post. Instead of saying "Shrink/Doctor should not do this" he says "I really don't like the idea of..." He comes off as passive, doesn't push his opinion aggressively so that he doesn't put too much spotlight on himself. He gives 'advice' - "Don't be scared to pressure" which is obvious and makes him look pro-town. It also sets himself up to start pressuring people, which will ultimately lead to people getting lynched and allowing him to paint other people in a bad light. As scum, of course he doesn't mind a mass roleclaim. Mass roleclaiming this early will only help scum, and instead of saying "Don't roleclaim" like a townie would, he says IF you roleclaim blah blah blah. Hell, even the core of his post is scummy, of course he doesn't want Shrinks and Doctors to have their actions coordinated by town, it'll only help scum so he tries to put down the idea as under the radar as possible. On November 14 2010 08:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Also town, if you feel someone is pretty strongly pro-town I'd advise you not to tell the town (hey I think player X is definitely a townie)
wait and watch, mafia might try to make a bad case on that person and fall into the trap. it's ok to keep your thoughts to yourself. we don't need to know everything you're thinking and the mafia CERTAINLY don't. Trying to prevent town from coordination and planning. The less information the town has, the better for scum. On November 14 2010 14:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
That is true. You're also the best target in the case of there being no mafia suspects.
We need to scumhunt instead of putting pressure on you. You never respond well to it anyway, it's pointless. Possible link here between DrH and Coag. If DrH flips red, I'd keep an eye on Coag. Maybe DrH is defending Coag because he thinks Coag will probably end up hurting town by his play (no offence Coag!) On November 15 2010 03:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 15 2010 02:39 KtheZ wrote:
I think it is probably safe to say artanis really is a vet; He seems to have a legit role pm.
He said that he is neither calm nor clam, but nowhere in the rules said that the vet role would be both calm/clam.
Unless another vet comes and refutes artanis's role pm claim (because it is safe to assume the other vet got the same pm), then we can say artanis really is town. he didn't say he was neither calm nor clam he said he was either calm or clam, he just doesn't know which one big difference. we can't just accept artanis as 100% town. vet is one of the best fakeclaims for a mafia, but something about his play doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me as mafia. he's at the bottom of my suspects list really wish he refused to answer that question about his role pm. would have been such a good trap if he said he was calm and then some mafia said "well im clam" Still trying to hush down the information town has. I think we can accept artanis as town for now, it won't hurt anyone to do so. We can determine his alignment later on if things don't add up. DrH on the other hand, blankets this information with a veil of insecurity, a very scum-like play. On November 15 2010 03:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 15 2010 01:20 LSB wrote:
Come to think about it
Artanis[Xp] was probably hit because 1) He didn't have any relations to anyone. 2) He's probably regarded as a vet. i would think i'd be the day 1 target maybe mafia predicted i would be protected by a doctor or they're doing the same strategy I did in Micro Mafia Redemption where we intentionally avoided hitting vets so I wouldn't fall under suspicion for being the "last vet alive" The old "I'm probably the target" cover. Makes him look as secure as possible if he brings up the idea of mafia trying to target him. On November 15 2010 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i said I'm changing my game strategy
I posted too much in insane mafia and I let the town know too much of what I was thinking. my plan is to be more withdrawn, keep more to myself, and only post when I have something to say. not feeling great about glasse, youngminii, or kenpachi. kenpachi never really contributes anything, just parrots what others say and is generally inactive
i don't have good meta read on glasse yet or youngminii though.
out of the active posters you're the scummiest imo
is that what you wanted to hear? i'm going to go away now until something happens thats worth posting about "i said I'm changing my game strategy" - simplest cover Instead of playing as he normally does (logical, defensive, assertive, mannered and well presented), he kind of just dismisses the accusations against him, tries to put the limelight on other people and then posts in a very aggressive manner. On November 15 2010 04:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
you guys can lynch me if you're really stupid but please lynch pandain when i flip blue THIS IS NOT DRH TOWN STYLE PLAY. DrH would never be a jackass like this as town, he's pulling a Coag here.On November 15 2010 09:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if in doubt, lynch coagulation. ..No. On November 15 2010 12:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
rofl lynching people for "information" is such a bullshit scumplay
lynch your best and most experienced player cause it might give you "information", good call.
Pandain I never contradicted myself, stop beating a dead horse trying to get me lynched on bullshit. You don't get any information on anybody from me. What information on coagulation? That I think he's terrible at this game as either town OR mafia? Wow.
What information on Artanis? Everyone seems to agree that his claim seems legit and makes no sense as a mafia play. What information do you get? You can get the same bullshit "information" lynching anybody, that's why this play is so weak and terrible.
Hey town, why don't you think for a second before you go and off get rid of your most experienced player. Why does Pandain want to get rid of me? Think about if Pandain is mafia here:
- Mafia doesn't hit me
- Push suspicion on me for because I wasn't targeted night 1
- Make up shit about how I contradicted myself about pressuring or whatever Pandain is talking about, it doesn't even really make sense to me because his arguments never make sense
- Left out the fact that me flipping blue might incriminate him (obviously purposely)
- Same bad argumentation style in Insane Mafia (twist my words to make it seem like I'm being inconsistent, saying things that don't really make sense with the intent NOT of understanding what I'm saying but just of making me look bad)
- This terrible bullshit "lynch for information!" argument
Here's the thing. I always do the "lynch for information" bit when I'm mafia, or at least I had until BloodC0bbler told me in BrownBear's game that it was super obvious and that he was shocked no one knew I was mafia from DAY ONE starting that. I've been mafia probably more times than anyone here and I know bullshit when I see it. Guess what, that's all Pandain has to bring to the table.
##Vote Pandain
Pandain if you are town then you seriously need to go through Mafia boot camp and read Ver's guide. Seeing as how you always seek advice after games (and you usually PM me about it) I seriously doubt you still lack the skill and logical insight necessary to stop these awful tirades. The gem of DrH's posts. He uses his jackass attitude that he's created in this game to try and push a vote against Pandain. First, DrH is not a jackass. It is beneficial if he acts like one though, if he can attack someone aggressively for a reason as simple as OMGUS. Second, lynching for information is not a bad thing. It is a good thing. Especially when there's someone scummy around. Thrid, who was the one that originally said "don't be afraid to pressure"? Lynching is a form of pressure, you pressure someone then lynch them if they don't act accordingly. You are saying don't lynch for information, that is essentially saying don't pressure for information. This is contradictory and scummy. For more information go read Pandain's analysis, it covers most of DrH's earlier posts where it's just mindless, under-the-radar type of posting. Wow this is bad. You guys are going to kick yourself in the teeth and town better lynch you if I flip blue. Unlike Pandain, you're pretty smart with mafia and I would never expect you to make a bad analysis like this. First let me address the OMGUS thing because coagulation made the same mistake (and I believe he is your scumbuddy). OMGUS is voting for someone ONLY because they voted for you. It is not necessarily a scumtell. Voting for someone who voted for you does not necessitate an OMGUS. If I felt Pandains arguments were scummy (such as they were in Insane Mafia) then that's a reasonable time to start a counter bandwagon. OMGUS is if you vote for me without saying anything and I just suddenly vote for you back. There's no argument, no scum analysis, no nothing. Relying on mafiascum scumtells to "scumhunt" is the worst thing you could ever do. About half the time they are just bad play. You should be aware of them but the most important thing to note is how the mafia subtly defend themselves and one another, how they argue, etc. Do you really think a player such as myself is going to go around doing all the obvious scumtells (OMGUS, Chainsaw, etc.) Secondly lets talk about meta because I'm sick of this thing. "He didn't play the same way as Insane Mafia!" Well guess what? I'm not playing the same way as I have in ANY game where I've been mafia either? What does that mean? That means the meta speculation is completely 100% inconclusive. Let me say this AGAIN because it seems neither you or Pandain understood or read it or something. In Insane Mafia, as town, I did TOO MUCH POSTING. NOT ENOUGH THINKING. Because i posted everything that came to mind, the mafia knew what I was thinking and could manipulate my thought process more. Read Ver's (best town player here) guide on how to play town. He advises town players not to POST CONSTANTLY. To keep some of their thoughts to themselves. Read it read it read it. This is not the play of a mafia. No jackass attitude? What are you talking about? I've posted like a "jackass" twice in my mafia career: Insane Mafia (town), Micro Mafia (mafia). As town I have no issues calling a player terrible. Read my arguments with Pandain in insane mafia. I constantly say "your arguments are retarded, you are bad, you suck stop trying" I laughed at him and belittled his terrible arguments just like I did here. Because they were just that: retarded arguments. And I laughed at them. I didn't just coolly and logically deconstruct them, I openly mocked them. This is not inconsistent posting behavior for me dude, you're grasping at straws. And guess what happens when you prod at a mafia a little bit, make them mad? They want to attack you even more. They fuck up even more and make themselves look even worse. Don't be an idiot, I posted many times with this tone in the Insane Mafia game. "Lynching for information is a good thing" Not when you're lynching your most experienced player to get information on who? Artanis? Coagulation? Are you fucking kidding me lol. Lynching for information is pretty good super late game when you know you can catch a bunch of mafia that way. So let me ask you YM. What great information will you get when I die? Is that the scumplan to bandwagon Pandain right after? Maybe town should think before they lynch the best player on such terrible arguments. -The lynch coagulation thing was a joke. I was at work on my phone. -"This is not DrH style play" Well I already told you why thats wrong. The point of that post was so that town would lynch Pandain when I flip blue, a reasonable request. Now I'd like to request they lynch you instead. -It's not a defense, it's a fact. Sorry I'm not posting 100% of my thoughts like a retard in this thread. I've never been very well mannered, don't know where you got that. "Kinda dismisses" maybe you missed the posts where I actually did pick Pandain's bad arguments apart? -"I'm probably the target" is not a COVER. It makes me look scummy that I survived, not the opposite. Jesus. -Hush down what information? LOL do you really think that we as town should say everything on our minds and give eachother all information in the open where mafia can see it? Of course you want complete open trade if information, it helps you doesn't it? But where in that post am I "blanketing" anything? -I'd say the connection is between coag and you. I've hosted 2 games with coagulation and played in him with 3. He is not good at responding to pressure, he just simply doesn't and it wastes time. I'd rather pressure a different inactive. I'm not defending him. I think he might just maybe be your scumbuddy. -"Trying to prevent town from coordination and planning. The less information the town has, the better for scum." You're a clown. I've explained many times while this is not beneficial for the town to share and why it helps the mafia to share it. Let me elaborate. 1. As bandwagons form, peoples natural opinions of who is or isn't town will naturally affect that. 2. As the town reveals who they feel is definitely town, the mafia can avoid bandwagoning hard targets, can also reinforce the idea that one of their own is town and manipulate the shit out of town. 3. We need to be discussing who is or isn't mafia, not who is town. Sorry our goal in this game is to lynch mafia players. You're reading too much into the phrase "I really don't like the idea of." I NEVER SAID I DON'T WANT SHRINKS AND DOCTORS TO BE COORDINATED. Listen. You should not BROADCAST exactly what the fucking blues are going to do. If the Mafia knows Doctors are proting player X then they just have to hit player Y. The whole point of the Doctor is to predict the mafia and block a shot. "It will also set him up to start pressuring people. GASP OH NO HE'S GONNA PRESSURE PEOPLE Also I'm still thinking about the idea of a mass roleclaim. There is only 1 of every role besides the mafia and the bulletproof. The mafia suspects would be narrowed down to four and 1/2 of those suspects in the roleclaim would be mafia. Narrowing it down to 50/50 would allow us to go back at the posts and see among which the scummiest are. It would probably be more of a nuisance to the mafia than anything. More so than TELLING THEM WHAT THE DOCTOR OR SHRINK IS GOING TO DO.
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forget what?
that defense is horrible, do you really expect me to argue against that? i don't want to turn this into a pandain v drh insane style where nobody cared about what either player was actually posting because it dragged on too long. i'd rather let people read your defense and realise for themselves that it's crap and how it shows you're scummy.
i pressure you, you respond with scumlike behaviour = you get lynched.
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yes I do expect you to argue against it instead of just saying i never defended myself properly in the first place
you attack me terribly like scum, you refuse to respond and keep making excuses/telling lies = you get lynched
remember that LAL thing that you stuck to even after insane mafia ended and when you lied and said I never defended myself on anything other than the metagame argument and then when I showed you were wrong you made an excuse and refused to respond
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oh this sure is interesting
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Alright, I'm going to go with Kenpachi.
An analysis of Kenpachi(Hopefully this will be up to dr. h's standards :p)
Summary:
Kenpachi seems to me to be playing the "lurking" mafia. He lurks, and then tries to make excuses for this when really it just seems like he's trying to explain away an inherent guilt(mafia.) He supported the no lynch, which is very anti town since it gives mafia a free turn. And his posts have been devoid of content save a soft defense/not defense of youngminii. Many of his posts have been questions, some have been clarifications, but nearly none have been real contributions. Therefore I am for lynching Kenpachi, since at the very least he's not really contributing, and also dr. h seems to me to have have a good enough defense.
His posts:
On November 12 2010 14:06 Kenpachi wrote:Sorry guys for being inactive for.. 2 hours I really dont have much to input atm because the shrink doctor tracker is rather confusing ~_~.. Also, how would clues point towards the scum? Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 13:57 deconduo wrote:On November 12 2010 13:54 LSB wrote:I feel ignored I forgot to mention that you have a secret role that makes your posts invisible to everyone else. lol
First post, apologizes for not talking for two hours(why? Perhaps this is sarcasm?)
Apologizes for not contributing, yet doesn't try to understand, instead asking other irrelevant questions. Why is this? It just doesn't make sense to me to say your not going to contribute because you don't understand something, then ask unrelated questions.
On November 14 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote:
lol wow ~_~ i really dont wanna lurk but there isnt much to say at this point because nothing happened overnight..
I remember reading over Ver's guide an important tell from mafia, and perhaps this is relevant. Ver said scum usually feel inherently guilty, and therefore they have to prove something. Now, what is this post doing? All it's doing is saying "sorry I'm lurking." Why would he have to explain himself unless he was suscipcious of being called mafia, and this post is just really contentless.
On November 15 2010 02:56 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 19:01 Coagulation wrote:I think right now im most suspicious of youngminii On November 14 2010 11:00 youngminii wrote:
Not much to post about.. Perhaps we should just do random votes and get the ball rolling, instead of trying to figure out a complicated plan. This post just seems anti town. who would want town to lynch randomly and not plan? also worth noticing that glass appears to be trying to fly under the radar I somewhat agree but hes just suggesting it. Hes not giving much support to it so it was probably to generate ideas. Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 02:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 15 2010 01:47 Pandain wrote:
So here: Artanis, since it doesn't matter, are you calm or clam. then if someone counter claims, we caught ya'. We aren't told in the role PM if we're calm or clam. It says you don't remember which one you are. I presume this is done to give mafia a chance to roleclaim. How would we resolve if mafia counterclaims as the third clam?
Doesn't really offer anything, just soft reasons. In my opinion it is usually common for scum just to go semi lurkish, while giving soft-reasoning paragraphs devoid of hard opinions in order to appear active. This is why I'm really starting to doubt whether both YM and DR. H are scum, and think they might be both town. This guy is just saying "I somewhat agree...but then again I don't(give reasons that sound like even he isn't sure.)
On November 15 2010 02:57 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 02:39 KtheZ wrote:
I think it is probably safe to say artanis really is a vet; He seems to have a legit role pm.
He said that he is neither calm nor clam, but nowhere in the rules said that the vet role would be both calm/clam.
Unless another vet comes and refutes artanis's role pm claim (because it is safe to assume the other vet got the same pm), then we can say artanis really is town. oh i missed this post
mmmm
On November 15 2010 04:01 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 03:55 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi what do you think of DoctorH? Can you address Pandain's accusation against him?
As for my analysis, I feel dumb for missing out on a post, so I'll do my analysis later. DrH has been putting less feedback in this game but i think his clam calm plan was brilliant. To Pandain:We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim if Artanis claimed Clam, Mafia could have tried to cause confusion and claim Calm and fall for the clam claim. the clam bros know that the role didnt specify which clam they were.
Again, maybe this is just me, but the way this is worded just sounds suscipcious to me. I mean, "WE could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim?" For one, how can town fake a possible roleclaim. Maybe Kenpachi didn't use the right words or something but this is striking out to me.
Furthormore, I've already shown how this theoretical plan was bad anyway, as it could lead to a real clam/calm claiming.
On November 15 2010 04:04 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2010 04:01 Kenpachi wrote:On November 15 2010 03:55 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi what do you think of DoctorH? Can you address Pandain's accusation against him?
As for my analysis, I feel dumb for missing out on a post, so I'll do my analysis later. To Pandain: We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim if Artanis claimed Clam, Mafia could have tried to cause confusion and claim Calm and fall for the clam claim. the clam bros know that the role didnt specify which clam they were. We? We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim? We being town.. assuming Artanis to be town..
spoilering this because it is getting a bit out there, only slightly possible
+ Show Spoiler +again, along with the previous "we" it just sounds like kenpachi, dr. h, and possiblye artanis all knew what was going on, that this was a mega scheme to hurt mafia. Which just makes me suscipcious because there are no pms. But again, this is a weak reason.
On November 15 2010 09:17 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 09:16 Coagulation wrote:On November 15 2010 08:14 Hesmyrr wrote:Lurker's comment:+ Show Spoiler +On November 15 2010 04:57 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:51 KtheZ wrote:On November 15 2010 04:23 deconduo wrote:
Just fyi, mafia have a copy of all role PMs. Wait wtf, seriously? Yep, to stop any 'my role PM says this so I'm legit' sort of thing. Honestly I thought it was standard on all the semi-open setups like this =/ i dont get it are you calling kthez a lurker?? no hes saying that everyone should know the role pms before the game in games like this
blah.
On November 15 2010 09:46 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote: no one
Its too hard to tell if someones mafia or not atm
Weak, I've already shown that no lynching is worse than not lynching at all. And yet he doesn't respond to that at all.
On November 15 2010 11:24 Kenpachi wrote:
im curious to know how lynching DocH can give info on Coag and Artanis?
question.
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Votes:
No Lynch (3)
KtheZ
LSB
kenpachi
Dr. H (2)
youngminii
Coagulation
Kenpachi (2)
Pandain
Glasse
Coagulation (1)
Artanis
Youngminii (1)
Dr. H
Everyone has voted, and no lynch will take effect if there are no changes in the next hour.
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LSB CHANGE TO KENPACHI.
You know no lynch only hurts town.
better to take a chance at the very least.
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I'd rather not lynch Kenpachi without a chance for him to roleclaim. It would really suck if we lost an important role.
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On November 16 2010 06:07 LSB wrote:
I'd rather not lynch Kenpachi without a chance for him to roleclaim. It would really suck if we lost an important role.
thats a horrible reason.
Okay, there's a 1/9 chance he's a doctor. There's an 8/9 chance he's not, and I think he's scum.
You know its better to lynch than to not, screw this "he could be important!" crud.
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Na, I went through his posts, he sounds normal. Not any dumb mafia bandwagon that he easily could pull off on DoctorH.
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Why you should lynch Kenpachi:
First of all, the question of whether we should lynch at all is brought up. This answer is a resounding yes, and you voting "No lynch" is very bad for town. All it is doing is giving the mafia a free turn without any benefits towards town. Even if kenpachi turns innocent it will be better than not lynching since we will have information. And a good chance, in my eyes, of lynching scum.
If you read my analysis, Kenpachi has at the very least not pro town. He has hardly contributed, asked more questions than gave statements, and his only real thing is a soft defense of youngminii, which wasn't even really a defense. Right now Kenpachi is a typical mafia lurker, even giving excuses for him lurking when he didn't have to. What kind of townie says "sorry for lurking."?
Lynch Kenpachi
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WTF. Lynching for information?
Didn't I already tell you that was a stupid idea?
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On November 16 2010 06:23 LSB wrote:
WTF. Lynching for information?
Didn't I already tell you that was a stupid idea?
How many times do I have to say this.
Lynching for information only applies to whether to lynch or to not. And right now your saying we shouldn't lynch, which is stupid, because lynching provides us information. Obviously lynching a specific person over another person for information is stupid, but I'm not talking about that.
And screw that whole segondou thing right now. We have only like 30 minutes left here.
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kenpachis posting behavior is consistent with his town play, extremely so. nothing about him says scum to me.
lynch ym imo. if no one thinks he's scummy then I'll put my vote on kenpachi. a lynch is better than no lynch.
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On November 16 2010 06:25 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 06:23 LSB wrote:
WTF. Lynching for information?
Didn't I already tell you that was a stupid idea? How many times do I have to say this. Lynching for information only applies to whether to lynch or to not. And right now your saying we shouldn't lynch, which is stupid, because lynching provides us information. Obviously lynching a specific person over another person for information is stupid, but I'm not talking about that. And screw that whole segondou thing right now. We have only like 30 minutes left here.
weren't you the person who first said i should be lynched for information? lol...
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On November 16 2010 06:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
kenpachis posting behavior is consistent with his town play, extremely so. nothing about him says scum to me.
lynch ym imo. if no one thinks he's scummy then I'll put my vote on kenpachi. a lynch is better than no lynch.
I acknowledge that kenpachi has been uncontributive in the past, but that is partly why I'm lynching him over others. Mainly I'm really in the dark as who to lynch, so am just offering analysis of those I think are suscipcious. People say to lynch coag because "hes the worst" but he has been far more helpful then kenpachi.
Also I'm not going to vote YM just because I am unsure as to your alignment, which you should be proud you convince me more so your town. Albeit YM could just be trying to push a Dr. H bandwagon, thinking he certainly has my vote and thinking he only needs to get one more. But right now I'm on the fence as to both of you.
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On November 16 2010 06:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 06:25 Pandain wrote:On November 16 2010 06:23 LSB wrote:
WTF. Lynching for information?
Didn't I already tell you that was a stupid idea? How many times do I have to say this. Lynching for information only applies to whether to lynch or to not. And right now your saying we shouldn't lynch, which is stupid, because lynching provides us information. Obviously lynching a specific person over another person for information is stupid, but I'm not talking about that. And screw that whole segondou thing right now. We have only like 30 minutes left here. weren't you the person who first said i should be lynched for information? lol...
That's because I was saying we should lynch for information, and then LSB gave the hypothetical "Say we lynch Dr. H, what information would we get." The most important things being your alignment, but also subtle clues as to others, which still applies. But again, that's not one person over another, that's just lynching in general.
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##vote youngminii
i was originally suspicious of him
he was my first vote.so i have no problem flipping him.
theres a good chance he may be red. and if he isnt then we are gonna have a long hard look at doch
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All right, I went through Youngminii's post, and his main point was "No Lynch is good"
##vote Youngminii
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Whoops I read that wrong
##unvote Youngminii
##vote: No one
I'll go back and take a closer look then
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On November 16 2010 06:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
kenpachis posting behavior is consistent with his town play, extremely so. nothing about him says scum to me.
lynch ym imo. if no one thinks he's scummy then I'll put my vote on kenpachi. a lynch is better than no lynch.
Well if its me vs youngminii ..
honestly i suspect Pandain but voting him now wont do anything
##vote youngminii
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theres a link between pandains actions and youngminnis they have pretty much echoed each other the entire game.
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All right. Youngminii's attack on DoctorH seems oftly... forced. He goes and falls back on Mafiascum stuff rather than actually trying to come up with actual analysis (Most of the time)
Unvote
Vote Youngminii
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Pandain puts massive pressure on doch then backs off and trys to pretend hes 100% open to who doch felt was a good lynch target yesterday even asking for his opinion on the matter like a minute after doch goes on a rant and rage about how pandain is scummiest in game and then votes for pandain himself..
now as soon as doch fends off more of the same attacks from youngminni he urges everyone to vote for youngminni and trys to push a lynch on him.... and pandain completely ignores this??
to even go farther he pretty much trys to draw everyones attention to lynch a lurker. as soon as he sees young might be getting pressured.
i dont like this.
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Voting closes in 1 minute.
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does anyone else feel a youngminni pandain link going on??
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i guess we will find out in a second.
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And the final votes are in, youngminii to be lynched:
youngminii (4)
Coagulation
Dr. H
kenpachi
LSB
kenpachi (2)
Pandain
Glasse
Coagulation (1)
Artanis
Dr. H (1)
youngminii
No Lynch (1)
kthez
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Jaedong struggled against the angry nerd horde accusing him cheating. 'It wasn't me' he cried, but his plea went unheard. 'You haven't seen the last of me' he shouted back ominously.
Jaedong/youngminii/hunter has been lynched.
It is now twilight while I wait for youngminii to send in his hit. Hopefully I get a response soon. You can send in conditional night actions if you want.
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On November 16 2010 06:59 Coagulation wrote:
does anyone else feel a youngminni pandain link going on??
!!!!! coagulation you're improving at mafia !!!!
Ding ding ding, if ym is mafia lynch the shit out of pandain. it isn't like him to ignore an argument of that magnitude especially when he himself is mentioned in said argument
seems like he's trying to distract with an easy/bad target like kenpachi to me
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well ill be back in an hour
im sure youngminii will read this thread for an idea on who to take down..
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On November 16 2010 07:13 Kenpachi wrote:
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well ill be back in an hour
im sure youngminii will read this thread for an idea on who to take down..
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I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam.
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or possibly coag/pandain
would be kinda funny to have an identical scumteam from insane mafia
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Youngminii, please shoot glasse or Kenpachi. They're kinof inactive.
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watch he shoots lsb.
that would be hilarious.
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he's probably gonna shoot me and that'll be GG for the town
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On November 16 2010 07:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
he's probably gonna shoot me and that'll be GG for the town
except it won't be because it'll be 7v2 still.
Actually I'm thinking this would be preffered. Cause then it would be 2 confirmed already, and I know I am(so i guess 3 confirmed for each respective player.)
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going off your assumption of course, that your town.
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On November 16 2010 08:02 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 07:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
he's probably gonna shoot me and that'll be GG for the town except it won't be because it'll be 7v2 still. Actually I'm thinking this would be preffered. Cause then it would be 2 confirmed already, and I know I am(so i guess 3 confirmed for each respective player.)
Honestly I think mass roleclaim might be the best idea. There will be inconsistencies with 2 of the roles, meaning there will be 4 possible liars. Then we just have to analyse those peoples posting behavior.
What do you think?
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On November 16 2010 08:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 08:02 Pandain wrote:On November 16 2010 07:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
he's probably gonna shoot me and that'll be GG for the town except it won't be because it'll be 7v2 still. Actually I'm thinking this would be preffered. Cause then it would be 2 confirmed already, and I know I am(so i guess 3 confirmed for each respective player.) Honestly I think mass roleclaim might be the best idea. There will be inconsistencies with 2 of the roles, meaning there will be 4 possible liars. Then we just have to analyse those peoples posting behavior. What do you think?
Then they take over other people, probably the best roles, whilst we have no other idea who is now scum :/
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On November 16 2010 08:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 08:02 Pandain wrote:On November 16 2010 07:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
he's probably gonna shoot me and that'll be GG for the town except it won't be because it'll be 7v2 still. Actually I'm thinking this would be preffered. Cause then it would be 2 confirmed already, and I know I am(so i guess 3 confirmed for each respective player.) Honestly I think mass roleclaim might be the best idea. There will be inconsistencies with 2 of the roles, meaning there will be 4 possible liars. Then we just have to analyse those peoples posting behavior. What do you think?
Bad idea. then mafia can just sacrifice themselves for important roles.
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On November 16 2010 08:21 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 08:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 16 2010 08:02 Pandain wrote:On November 16 2010 07:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
he's probably gonna shoot me and that'll be GG for the town except it won't be because it'll be 7v2 still. Actually I'm thinking this would be preffered. Cause then it would be 2 confirmed already, and I know I am(so i guess 3 confirmed for each respective player.) Honestly I think mass roleclaim might be the best idea. There will be inconsistencies with 2 of the roles, meaning there will be 4 possible liars. Then we just have to analyse those peoples posting behavior. What do you think? Bad idea. then mafia can just sacrifice themselves for important roles.
Oh, I didn't really think of that possibility.
Nevermind it then.
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I'd rather not have my brain rearragned thankyouverymuch
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On November 16 2010 08:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 08:02 Pandain wrote:On November 16 2010 07:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
he's probably gonna shoot me and that'll be GG for the town except it won't be because it'll be 7v2 still. Actually I'm thinking this would be preffered. Cause then it would be 2 confirmed already, and I know I am(so i guess 3 confirmed for each respective player.) Honestly I think mass roleclaim might be the best idea. There will be inconsistencies with 2 of the roles, meaning there will be 4 possible liars. Then we just have to analyse those peoples posting behavior. What do you think?
soon as the inconsistencies pop up and 4 people are analyzed they will have jumped ship. and town will be back to square 1 with all info in mafia hand
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You know what might be possible though, just doing it like in the day. Then we'll have at the very least a 50% chance, probably more based on analysis/LSB's list of confirmed.
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On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam.
Yea, because obviously me trying to get him lynched hes my teamate
On November 16 2010 07:27 LSB wrote:
Youngminii, please shoot glasse or Kenpachi. They're kinof inactive.
i can start spamming instead of posting constructive comments every once in a while if you want, i thought people were mad at my super cat powers in insane mafia...
i just don't feel like letting everyone know my thoughts on EVERYTHING all the time...
if it bothers you so much i'll do it
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On November 16 2010 10:10 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam. Yea, because obviously me trying to get him lynched hes my teamate Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 07:27 LSB wrote:
Youngminii, please shoot glasse or Kenpachi. They're kinof inactive. i can start spamming instead of posting constructive comments every once in a while if you want, i thought people were mad at my super cat powers in insane mafia... i just don't feel like letting everyone know my thoughts on EVERYTHING all the time... if it bothers you so much i'll do it
ummm. Just saying. Theres a difference in saying "I'm going to only talk about the important things." and "I'm not going to talk about anything at all"
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i just dont have anything important to say :3
SORRY!
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What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument?
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On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote:
What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument?
i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something.
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i'm trying the least hard i've ever tried in a game of mafia
i didn't even fully read the op and it's led to a few bad assumptions i've made about the game rules
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may have been those huge ass posts that i didnt fully read that just impressed me.
see, this is why i don't post much. i miss clues
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i always post huge ass posts i have the spirit of a writer dummy
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you have a mean spirit too
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I post what i think then i get called a dummy
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Better to be a dummy (and not really a dummy anyway) than get lynched as a lurker.
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On November 16 2010 10:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i'm trying the least hard i've ever tried in a game of mafia
i didn't even fully read the op and it's led to a few bad assumptions i've made about the game rules
well your an extremely vital asset to town if you are town so we really need you to step it up.
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i'm so disappoint in this game
gl hf town!
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On November 16 2010 13:36 youngminii wrote:
i'm so disappoint in this game
gl hf town!
kill someone already!!
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Effort (Dr. H) (Vanilla townie) is now dead
Night 2 begins now, please send in your night actions. I might extend it a bit as well to allow for the 8 hours missed.
Sorry for the not long post, 6.30 am here and I'm tired :S
EDIT: Just to confirm, that was the hunter shot.
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Oh for the love of christ. mafia are probably having a field day right now.
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good job youngminii, good job
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THIS is exactly why OMGUS hurts town
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honestly i would've hit kenpachi :3
this sucks
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Hey guys, send in night actions.
kthxbye
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Just modkill those who haven't sent in a night action yet imo.
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On November 17 2010 08:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Just modkill those who haven't sent in a night action yet imo.
Nah I said I'd give an extra 8 hours.
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I was kidding
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sooo... its been way more than 8 extra hours?
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i have a feeling im gonna die.
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Day 3
Clam the bulletproof has died. (Artanis)
Kenpachi The yakuza has committed suicide.
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Last night Kenpachi visited Artanis and Pandain.
Sorry man, but you gotta go
##Vote: Pandain
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Sorry for the lack of nice writing and descriptions and stuff, I'm pretty sick atm and looking at the screen gives me a headache.
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well at least one of them flipped. I would say great now we can go back and read his post's and see if he incriminated his scum buddy but of course its the one person who doesnt fucking say anything that fucking flips.
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On November 17 2010 23:35 deconduo wrote:
Sorry for the lack of nice writing and descriptions and stuff, I'm pretty sick atm and looking at the screen gives me a headache.
sorry to hear that man
hope you feel better soon.
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On November 17 2010 23:33 LSB wrote:
Last night Kenpachi visited Artanis and Pandain.
Sorry man, but you gotta go
##Vote: Pandain
NICE CATCH MAN
we might have a fucking chance after all
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wait kenpachi commited suicide but artanis isnt red now?
YES someone got protected by flash!
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wait im doing it wrong :3
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so they can use both a kill and a mind control at night? wtf? isnt that a bit 2 strong?
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what i mean is like, they killed artanis with their kp, but still mind controlled someone with kenpachi?
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that someone being pandain i guess
sorry for tons of posts. :3
going to class brb 3 hours
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are you playing stupid?
Really?
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On November 17 2010 23:44 Coagulation wrote:
are you playing stupid?
Really?
no, why are you calling me stupid because im confused about the rules? fuck you
i thought it was either convert or kill, apparently they can do both
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On November 18 2010 03:41 Glasse wrote:no, why are you calling me stupid because im confused about the rules? fuck you i thought it was either convert or kill, apparently they can do both
Chill, both of you.
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Okay this is going to be extremely tricky.
Night one I tracked Pandain to myself. That means that he was either doctor or shrink
There are 5 people left
1. Tracker
2. Doctor/shrink
3. Bulletproof
4. Mafia
5. Pandain (Mafia)
So if we take out Pandain this leaves one of two options
Option 1
1. Tracker
2. Doctor
3. Bulletproof
4. Mafia
Mafia will probably convert someone and hit someone. We just have to hope the mafia doesn't hit the doctor.
Option 2
1. Tracker
2. Shrink
3. Bulletproof
4. Mafia
The Mafia will probably kill me. That will leave three people left, and then everyone should role claim, leaving us a 50% chance of winning.
If someone can figure out a way to get the other mafia, that would be better, and then we save Pandain for tomorrow
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we cant leave pandain alive, he could just sacrifice himself then we lose track of everything.
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On November 18 2010 04:34 Glasse wrote:
we cant leave pandain alive, he could just sacrifice himself then we lose track of everything.
Na, he can't sacrifice himself again.
The thing I'm concerned about is that even if we kill Pandain, there is a very high chance the second mafia can win tonight.
What if we all roleclaim? This gives us a 50% chance of finding the second mafia and winning today.
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Just to speed things up a small bit.
Once everyone has voted, the votes will lock and day will end as soon as I'm around.
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##Unvote
We got to find the 2nd mafia now, or else our chance of winning tanks.
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someone claimed as bulletproof earlier right? was it artanis?
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not having that important post thing updated is really breaking my balls
:3
i cant find what im looking for
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On November 18 2010 06:11 Glasse wrote:not having that important post thing updated is really breaking my balls :3 i cant find what im looking for
Whoops, forgot about that. Fixed
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Atanis claimed bulletproof but died, that means that there is one more bulletproof left.
Can everyone please claim?
We need to take out the second mafia before he can use the mind control.
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Haha wow.
Way to reveal me LSB. I'm shrink, protected myself.
*sigh
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ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.
kthez or coag are mafia
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Can the shrink protect himself??
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i protected myself night 1 and lsb night 2.
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yes lsb, because i did it
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might have been a stupid roleclaim, but i wont let that liar go by this time
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On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote:
ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.
kthez or coag are mafia
And we caught the second mafia.
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On November 18 2010 06:20 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote:
ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.
kthez or coag are mafia And we caught the second mafia.
yea, kthez or coag
maybe even lsb... his claim could be fake :3 crap
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All right, KtheZ and Coag. Can you please claim?
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Rofl Glasse
So, your the "real" flash, but you went against the town consensus and protected yourself night one?
And you immediately roleclaimed, when in the scenario you were the real flash you wouldn't, and at the very least would've waited a bit.
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On November 18 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 06:20 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote:
ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.
kthez or coag are mafia And we caught the second mafia. yea, kthez or coag maybe even lsb... his claim could be fake :3 crap
No one counter claimed... So you know I'm tracker
You shrink protected me night 2, that means I'm not converted.
Lets get this all sorted out after KtheZ and Coagulation claims.
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facepalm, please dont believe him :3
who cares if i went against the town consensus, i thought i should protect myself until i know more and not chance having mafia get 3 because their sacrifice didnt actually die
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On November 18 2010 06:23 Glasse wrote:
facepalm, please dont believe him :3
who cares if i went against the town consensus, i thought i should protect myself until i know more and not chance having mafia get 3 because their sacrifice didnt actually die
Again, not what a real townie would do. We had already established LSB was innocent, so why would you,if the "real" shrink not protect him?
"Who cares if I went against the town consensus"
"Don't believe him please"
Such great arguments, but sadly its already GG.
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Dude, your night 1 play was smart. As mafia would obviosly not try to convert me.
And Don't play attention to Pandain.
Coagulation and KtheZ can you please claim?
Please glasse, pandain, don't post untill they reply. Lets get all the cards down before we commit to an All In
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who did you track night 1 lsb, i cant seem to find it, if you even said it
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-maintains radio silence-
Keep a clean thread for the final day please
(I tracked Pandain)
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On November 18 2010 06:27 LSB wrote:
Dude, your night 1 play was smart. As mafia would obviosly not try to convert me.
And Don't play attention to Pandain.
Coagulation and KtheZ can you please claim?
Please glasse, pandain, don't post untill they reply. Lets get all the cards down before we commit to an All In
Please, LSB. Like Doctor H said, your smart. You should realize I'm the real shrink.
1. His reasons for protecting you were that you "weren't confirmed"
2. If he gets me killed, he can just yazuka a random person since there will be no other person. At first I was perplexed why he fake claimed so early, but now I understand that now there will be no other person to stop him from yazuking.
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And I have full faith I'll be able to get him lynched so we win, since he has already messed up several ways.
1.Keeps suggesting you could be fake, while saying he protected himself because he didn't believe you, and he still doesn't believe you now, yet he "protected LSB second night."
2.He immediately claims he's shrink, which suggests either
1.He's VERY VERY VERY VERY rash. or
2.He's thought this out already, and knows what to do(try to get me lynched)
You tracked me night one, that lends credence to me. What does Glasse have? His word?
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On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam.
Dr. H accuses him, glasse accuses back and tries to make Dr. H seem less credible.
On November 16 2010 10:25 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote:
What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument? i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something.
And yes, I want glasse to respond to all this.
I'll do an analysis hopefully after I get back from this political group thingamabobber, but until then I'll just be pointing out inconsitincies/proofs.
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Pandain please let it be, I have a way of figuring this out
All I need is Coag and KtheZ to claim
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On November 18 2010 06:43 LSB wrote:
Pandain please let it be, I have a way of figuring this out
All I need is Coag and KtheZ to claim
alright...
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im doctor.
protected LSB night one, and night two.
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Okay good
KtheZ please Claim.
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On November 18 2010 06:30 LSB wrote:
-maintains radio silence-
Keep a clean thread for the final day please
(I tracked Pandain)
(did he leave his house?)
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Things I know.
LSB night two: Pandain visited me night 1
LSB night two: Kenpachi visited Artanis and Pandain
Mafia action night 1: Hit Artanis
Mafia action Night 2: Kill Artanis. Kenpachi converts Pandain.
Things that were claimed
Coagulation: Save LSB night 2
Pandain: Shrink, save self night 2
Glasse: Shrink, save LSB night 2
KtheZ: Bulletproof.
Case 1: Both Mafia used conversion last night.
Since game isn’t over, we know that there is only two mafia alive. (If there were 3 mafia, the game would be 3-3)
Since only 1 mafia died. That means the doctor saved one of the mafia.
Since only 1 person was converted. That means that the shrink stopped the conversion
This means that Pandain is telling the truth. So Glasse must be mafia.
This means that Coagulation must have saved Glasse. But then he would be lying, so Coagulation must be mafia.
Solution: Lynch Coagulation Day 2, Lynch Glasse Day 3.
Case 2: Only Kenpachi used conversion. Pandain is lying
However, Pandain visited me night one. That means that he is doctor.
Then Coag would be lying
Solution: Lynch Coagulation Day 2, Lynch Pandain Day 3.
Case 3: Only Kenpachi used conversion. Glasse is lying
If Pandain is telling the truth, Glasse is the only mafia left.
Solution 1: Lynch Glasse
However, take note, if we lynch someone else, there is still a chance that we can win. If we lynch Coagulation, we will enter the night with Pandain, LSB, KtheZ, and Glasse.
Pandain must then correctly guess who Glasse attempts to mind control.
Solution 2: Lynch Coagulation Day 2, Lynch Glasse Day 3. 33% of success
Case 4: Both Pandain and Glasse are lying
FML.
Too risky for mafia anyways
Conclusion
Lynching Coagulation is the safest course of path.
##Vote: Coagulation
(Coag, if your town, sorry man... but this is the safest course of action)
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(I wrote this up in lecture. If you guys want, I can scan the original doc =D)
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well i made a list of possiblities :3
also i'm not lying
pandain left night 1 so it means :
Effort - drh *dead
calm - artanis *dead
clam - kthez
sea - pandain (mafia)
stork - lsb
jaedong - youngmini *dead
flash - glasse
mafia 1 - kenpachi *dead
mafia 2 - coag
i fail to see how anything else can happen, since all roles that can go out are confirmed, pandain was medic and coag is mafia. unless coag lied and kthez is mafia, but i doubt it? :3
##vote: coagulation
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i made multiple lists but since pandain left on night 1 he had to be medic (sea)
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After Coag gets lynched. What happens?
Coag is Maifa: This mean that Pandain is also mafia. Lynch him day 3
Coag is Mafia Doctor: This mean that Glasse is also mafia. Lynch him day 3
Coag is Town Doctor: This mean that Glasse is mafia. Lynch him day 3. However, you probably won't get the chance to go into day 3. So Pandain has to be very lucky.
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Hey guys, I'd like to bring the town's attention to the fact that LSB may be mafia.
So this is how the last night went:
Claims:
Pandain protected himself that night.
LSB says kenpachi visited artanis and pandain.
Coag claims doctor, protected LSB.
Glasse = shrink, saved LSB night 2.
Now here is the interesting part.
So we have a disreptancy between Glasse and Pandain's claims.
Now what is extremely feasibly possible is that Glasse is yakuza, and kenpachi actually MCed LSB.
What has made me notice this POSSIBILITY is that we cannot be sure LSB is actually still one of us. What we need to know is if pandain and/or glasse are telling the truth.
So heres how I think we should go.
Lynch pandain. Then, we know if glasse really is the shrink or not.
If pandain flips blue, we immediately lynch Glasse and LSB.
If pandain flips red, artanis and glasse are confirmed.
In LSB's post above me, it is not noted that he may have been converted, instead of pandain.
I think that the best course of action is to lynch pandain. If he flips blue, we immediately take out glasse/LSB.
If he flips red, we got rid of one of the reds, and we have 1 less person to worry about, as well as buying ourselves much more time to find the second red.
##Vote: Pandain
Sorry dude, but if ur town know that your death was not in vain.
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FFF
UNVOTE KTHEZ
DECONDUO WILL END THE VOTE NOW
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##Vote: Pandain
I need to remember to bold my votes :/
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UNVOTE PANDAIN. YOUR GOING TO END THE DAY
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##unvote (for now so it doesnt end the day)
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Remember. There is a very good chance that today is Lylo. (Unless Pandain is telling the truth).
Therefore we HAVE to vote for a mafia.
I'll address your issues soon.
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Actually case 2 is impossible. Since Coag already claimed to have protected you, and not glasse, therefore both mafia couldn't have used conversion.
For case 2, I'm not lying, and I've basically shown that Glasse is lying(He hasn't even responded to that.).
For case 3, there is a 33% chance of winning if we lynch Coag. You're saying I have to accurately guess who he will mind control. Leaving it up to that should not be done. Lynching Glasse is safer in that point.
So really, it comes down to me vs. Glasse again. And I've already basically shown why Glasse is lying, and how he has already screwed up.
So your right, either me and coag are mafia, or glasse is the sole mafia remaining. And I agree with the dead Dr. H that its glasse/kenpachi.
Lynching Glasse is actually better.
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What im trying to bring attention to is the fact that LSB MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PROTECTED THAT NIGHT, if glasse is mafia and kenpachi MCed LSB (causing him to lie about who kenpachi visited)
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On November 18 2010 10:31 KtheZ wrote:
Hey guys, I'd like to bring the town's attention to the fact that LSB may be mafia.
So this is how the last night went:
Claims:
Pandain protected himself that night.
LSB says kenpachi visited artanis and pandain.
Coag claims doctor, protected LSB.
Glasse = shrink, saved LSB night 2.
Now here is the interesting part.
So we have a disreptancy between Glasse and Pandain's claims.
Now what is extremely feasibly possible is that Glasse is yakuza, and kenpachi actually MCed LSB.
What has made me notice this POSSIBILITY is that we cannot be sure LSB is actually still one of us. What we need to know is if pandain and/or glasse are telling the truth.
So heres how I think we should go.
Lynch pandain. Then, we know if glasse really is the shrink or not.
If pandain flips blue, we immediately lynch Glasse and LSB.
If pandain flips red, artanis and glasse are confirmed.
In LSB's post above me, it is not noted that he may have been converted, instead of pandain.
I think that the best course of action is to lynch pandain. If he flips blue, we immediately take out glasse/LSB.
If he flips red, we got rid of one of the reds, and we have 1 less person to worry about, as well as buying ourselves much more time to find the second red.
##Vote: Pandain
Sorry dude, but if ur town know that your death was not in vain.
impossible. Doctor would have had to protect glasse for that to work. And Coag would therefore have to be lying. And in that scenario there would be 3 mafia(coag, lsb,glasse) when only two could be possibe.
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On November 18 2010 06:40 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam. Dr. H accuses him, glasse accuses back and tries to make Dr. H seem less credible. Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 10:25 Glasse wrote:On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote:
What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument? i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. And yes, I want glasse to respond to all this. I'll do an analysis hopefully after I get back from this political group thingamabobber, but until then I'll just be pointing out inconsitincies/proofs.
On November 18 2010 06:35 Pandain wrote:
And I have full faith I'll be able to get him lynched so we win, since he has already messed up several ways.
1.Keeps suggesting you could be fake, while saying he protected himself because he didn't believe you, and he still doesn't believe you now, yet he "protected LSB second night."
2.He immediately claims he's shrink, which suggests either
1.He's VERY VERY VERY VERY rash. or
2.He's thought this out already, and knows what to do(try to get me lynched)
You tracked me night one, that lends credence to me. What does Glasse have? His word?
You are really pushing for me because you think i can't defend myself or something?
1. i didnt say he was fake, i said he could be. i realized he could be fake while typing the post where i said he could be... then he said no counter claim, which is right and makes sense, if the real tracker said it we would of owned a mafia early. what can happen is that medic protected sacrifice so there are actually 3 mafia, but game would be over already that way. he can't be mafia
2. i was reading the thread, people that are obvious liars and full of shit make me kinda mad so i had to claim quickly to exactly not let you use the argument "he thought about it for a while and decided to counter claim"
i said drh was trying 2 hard because did you see those 10000 words posts? i felt like it was 2 much
do an analysis if you want, you will point out random fake shit to try to prove me as red, but then i can easily deny all of those accusations, since i'm not red
did i miss something?
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On November 18 2010 10:37 KtheZ wrote:
What im trying to bring attention to is the fact that LSB MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PROTECTED THAT NIGHT, if glasse is mafia and kenpachi MCed LSB (causing him to lie about who kenpachi visited)
i actually protected him, he is not mafia, unless i left out something i shouldnt have :3
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Okay lets check out the possible cases.
Me and Glasse are Mafia-
This is not feasible at all. We would have sat on our votes for Pandain. You guys would have lost as we would have three votes for Pandain. Look, you voted for Pandain, and also Coagulation voted for Pandain.
Pandain and Coagulation are Mafia-
Well Coagulation bandwagoned Pandain pretty fast. If they were mafia, Coagulation would have let Pandain have his chance to try to squirm out of it
Glasse and Coagulation are Mafia-
I have yet to go through their posts, but they've both been anti-pandian
Glasse is sole mafia-
This is pretty likely. But if we're going to hang our hats on this, we better be 100% sure.
Remeber. This is lylo. You have to hang your hat on something. It's a balls to the walls momement. I'm asking you to trust me.
Think through your actions.
Remember. As town, we have to be united. We cannot afford a split vote. Split vote = Game over.
+ Show Spoiler +Still not convinced I'm town?
If I was mafia I wouldn't have yelled at you for voting. The voted would be tied 2-2-1, and no lynch would have happened.
Town looses
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Actually I think I misread your point. But still, in that scenario it would currently be 2 scum vs. 3 townies. But then by lynching me it would be even and they win.
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alright so why this: + Show Spoiler + Effort - drh *dead
calm - artanis *dead
clam - kthez
sea - pandain (mafia)
stork - lsb
jaedong - youngmini *dead
flash - glasse
mafia 1 - kenpachi *dead
mafia 2 - coag
pandain left his house day 1, so he has to be doctor as the 2 other roles that can leave are confirmed (to me at least, since i know i'm actually flash)
means coag is lying and kthez is the real clam.
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On November 18 2010 10:37 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:31 KtheZ wrote:
Hey guys, I'd like to bring the town's attention to the fact that LSB may be mafia.
So this is how the last night went:
Claims:
Pandain protected himself that night.
LSB says kenpachi visited artanis and pandain.
Coag claims doctor, protected LSB.
Glasse = shrink, saved LSB night 2.
Now here is the interesting part.
So we have a disreptancy between Glasse and Pandain's claims.
Now what is extremely feasibly possible is that Glasse is yakuza, and kenpachi actually MCed LSB.
What has made me notice this POSSIBILITY is that we cannot be sure LSB is actually still one of us. What we need to know is if pandain and/or glasse are telling the truth.
So heres how I think we should go.
Lynch pandain. Then, we know if glasse really is the shrink or not.
If pandain flips blue, we immediately lynch Glasse and LSB.
If pandain flips red, artanis and glasse are confirmed.
In LSB's post above me, it is not noted that he may have been converted, instead of pandain.
I think that the best course of action is to lynch pandain. If he flips blue, we immediately take out glasse/LSB.
If he flips red, we got rid of one of the reds, and we have 1 less person to worry about, as well as buying ourselves much more time to find the second red.
##Vote: Pandain
Sorry dude, but if ur town know that your death was not in vain. impossible. Doctor would have had to protect glasse for that to work. And Coag would therefore have to be lying. And in that scenario there would be 3 mafia(coag, lsb,glasse) when only two could be possibe.
Why would doctor have to protect glasse for this to work?
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On November 18 2010 10:34 Pandain wrote:
Actually case 2 is impossible. Since Coag already claimed to have protected you, and not glasse, therefore both mafia couldn't have used conversion.
For case 2, I'm not lying, and I've basically shown that Glasse is lying(He hasn't even responded to that.).
For case 3, there is a 33% chance of winning if we lynch Coag. You're saying I have to accurately guess who he will mind control. Leaving it up to that should not be done. Lynching Glasse is safer in that Point.
So Really, it comes down to me vs. Glasse again. And I've already basically shown why Glasse is lying, and how he has already screwed up.
So your right, either me and coag are mafia, or glasse is the sole mafia remaining. And I agree with the dead Dr. H that its glasse/kenpachi.
Lynching Glasse is Actually better.
(I believe you mean Case 1). Remember, in case 1, coag is lying. So he could be lying about who he protected. He could have protected Glasse
Case 2: Glasse is telling me the same thing. I can't believe either of you. Put it flatly, you both have scummy town play
Case 3: (See case 2).
Remember, Case 1 is still there. Vote for Coagulation, its the best for the town
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Agreed LSB, and again, that just proves furthormore what shoudl be obvious by now, Glasse is frickin lying.
For example, I've shown that really the only two-three cases are either
1.Me and Coag are mafia(again, you did bring up he voted me pretty darn quick.)
2.Glasse is mafia alone or even
3.Glasse and Coag are mafia(coag protected glasse, glasse MCED him.)
Lynching Glasse is the safest choice in all of those, especially when you start to use your noggin .
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And coag unvote me.
at least give chance for discussion.
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But case one assumes they won't mind control anyone.
Its me or glasse guys.
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pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
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PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
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Okay, to explain Case 1 a bit more to you.
Case one
Night two:
Coagulation saves Glasse
Glasse converts Coagulation
Kenpachi converts Pandain
Mafia hits Artanis[Xp]
What happens:
Coagulation is converted. Glasse is still alive.
See?
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On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more
You've faked claimed poorly.
1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is.
2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.)
3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.)
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wait we wouldnt be notified if the town lost a member if the sacrifice was protected, i just realized that :3
well i guess that is a possibility in your eyes, since you can't tell i'm flash because you never tracked me.
i'm flash though
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Pandain. If you want analysis. This is why.
Yesterday I defended two people. You and Coagulation. The only reason why Doctor H backed off from attacking you two was because I hinted that I tracked them.
The mafia knows this two. But for some reason, out of you and coagulation, they choose to try to convert you.
This is because Coagulation was mafia. The Mafia knew that I didn't immediately come to the town and say I found a mafia. So they knew that I tracked you. That's why they tried to convert you.
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On November 18 2010 10:49 LSB wrote:
Okay, to explain Case 1 a bit more to you.
Case one
Night two:
Coagulation saves Glasse
Glasse converts Coagulation
Kenpachi converts Pandain
Mafia hits Artanis[Xp]
What happens:
Coagulation is converted. Glasse is still alive.
See?
Exactly. This assumes Glasse is mafia.
Case 3, assumes glasse is mafia.
The Subsection of case 3 (with a 33% win rate) is lynching coag first, when lynching glasse first is the better choice.
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On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.)
2. Actually there is every reason why not to protect me night 1.
The town plan was to protect me. So the mafia wouldn't hit me.
Therefore if glasse choose to protect someone else, he could basically be protecting two people.
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On November 18 2010 10:52 LSB wrote:
Pandain. If you want analysis. This is why.
Yesterday I defended two people. You and Coagulation. The only reason why Doctor H backed off from attacking you two was because I hinted that I tracked them.
The mafia knows this two. But for some reason, out of you and coagulation, they choose to try to convert you.
This is because Coagulation was mafia. The Mafia knew that I didn't immediately come to the town and say I found a mafia. So they knew that I tracked you. That's why they tried to convert you.
Wait what. explain this more. I'm confused.
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On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.)
dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it.
i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town
why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost
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On November 18 2010 10:53 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) 2. Actually there is every reason why not to protect me night 1. The town plan was to protect me. So the mafia wouldn't hit me. Therefore if glasse choose to protect someone else, he could basically be protecting two people.
But his reason for not protecting you was that you "were not confirmed." So that point is mute.
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On November 18 2010 10:52 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:49 LSB wrote:
Okay, to explain Case 1 a bit more to you.
Case one
Night two:
Coagulation saves Glasse
Glasse converts Coagulation
Kenpachi converts Pandain
Mafia hits Artanis[Xp]
What happens:
Coagulation is converted. Glasse is still alive.
See? Exactly. This assumes Glasse is mafia. Case 3, assumes glasse is mafia. The Subsection of case 3 (with a 33% win rate) is lynching coag first, when lynching glasse first is the better choice.
Subsection 2 is a 100% of loosing if we lynch coag first.
I'm not accepting that. Especially with your scummy analysis. I've even defended glasse a bit after facepalming at your accusations of him.
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On November 18 2010 10:54 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:52 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:49 LSB wrote:
Okay, to explain Case 1 a bit more to you.
Case one
Night two:
Coagulation saves Glasse
Glasse converts Coagulation
Kenpachi converts Pandain
Mafia hits Artanis[Xp]
What happens:
Coagulation is converted. Glasse is still alive.
See? Exactly. This assumes Glasse is mafia. Case 3, assumes glasse is mafia. The Subsection of case 3 (with a 33% win rate) is lynching coag first, when lynching glasse first is the better choice. Subsection 2 is a 100% of loosing if we lynch coag first. I'm not accepting that. Especially with your scummy analysis. I've even defended glasse a bit after facepalming at your accusations of him.
EDIT
Subsection 2 is a 100% of loosing if we lynch glasse first.
I'm not accepting that. Especially with your scummy analysis. I've even defended glasse a bit after facepalming at your accusations of him.
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Holy shit my mind is exploding from reading this. Just wondering, when does this day end?
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On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost
Now your changing your reasoning, you said he wasn't confirmed.
And why in the world would mafia RNG.
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tomorow or whenever everyone voted
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On November 18 2010 10:54 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:54 LSB wrote:On November 18 2010 10:52 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:49 LSB wrote:
Okay, to explain Case 1 a bit more to you.
Case one
Night two:
Coagulation saves Glasse
Glasse converts Coagulation
Kenpachi converts Pandain
Mafia hits Artanis[Xp]
What happens:
Coagulation is converted. Glasse is still alive.
See? Exactly. This assumes Glasse is mafia. Case 3, assumes glasse is mafia. The Subsection of case 3 (with a 33% win rate) is lynching coag first, when lynching glasse first is the better choice. Subsection 2 is a 100% of loosing if we lynch coag first. I'm not accepting that. Especially with your scummy analysis. I've even defended glasse a bit after facepalming at your accusations of him. EDIT Subsection 2 is a 100% of loosing if we lynch glasse first. I'm not accepting that. Especially with your scummy analysis. I've even defended glasse a bit after facepalming at your accusations of him.
Subsection 2 of section 3, fyi.
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On November 18 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Now your changing your reasoning, you said he wasn't confirmed. And why in the world would mafia RNG.
wait i changed my reasoning? he wasnt confirmed. confirmed = 100%. there was still a chance the real detective didnt want to fall in the mafia trap. i feel like we are just going around in circle now because you can't bring anything up other than little meaningless changes(which are actually just different wording) in my arguments
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On November 18 2010 10:53 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:52 LSB wrote:
Pandain. If you want analysis. This is why.
Yesterday I defended two people. You and Coagulation. The only reason why Doctor H backed off from attacking you two was because I hinted that I tracked them.
The mafia knows this two. But for some reason, out of you and coagulation, they choose to try to convert you.
This is because Coagulation was mafia. The Mafia knew that I didn't immediately come to the town and say I found a mafia. So they knew that I tracked you. That's why they tried to convert you. Wait what. explain this more. I'm confused.
Okay. Remember, I said that I wasn't going to reveal who I tracked, unless they were going to be lynched by the town.
Doctor H, and Artanis caught on (We were playing pretty meta games over there, fishing for information).
You made some big mistakes day 1 trying to attack Doctor H. I defended you a bit, and Doctor H backed off. This was because I was hinting that you were tracked
Same reason why Doctor H and Artanis backed off of lynching Coagulation. I hinted that I tracked Coagulation.
Obviously I only tracked you. But I needed to make it look like I tracked Coagulation. After all, this was the most obvious of actions that could have happened. I should have tracked Coagulation since he "plays so badly" (Coag your a decent player, just everyone else thinks you suck for some reason. Just think a bit more)
So the mafia should have tried to convert Coag instead of you.
There are two reasons why you could have gotten converted.
1) They used both conversions in one day. Converting both you and Coag.
2) Coag was mafia. So they knew that I couldn't have tracked him (or else I would have supported and killed Coag by lynch). So they only converted you.
That's why I'm pretty sure that Coag is mafia.
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On November 18 2010 10:54 KtheZ wrote:
Holy shit my mind is exploding from reading this. Just wondering, when does this day end?
Basically, if you still think I'm mafia... well I'll try still convincing you
If you believe me. Vote for Coagulation.
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I didn't catch you hinting you tracked me. Who says mafia did?
Playiing some mega mind games over there haha
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On November 18 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Now your changing your reasoning, you said he wasn't confirmed. And why in the world would mafia RNG. wait i changed my reasoning? he wasnt confirmed. confirmed = 100%. there was still a chance the real detective didnt want to fall in the mafia trap. i feel like we are just going around in circle now because you can't bring anything up other than little meaningless changes(which are actually just different wording) in my arguments
Again, LSB WAS 100% confirmed.
Name one instance he could not be.
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well i've also been thinking coag is mafia(see my list), also since what we are basing ourselves on is different i think it proves hes red even more so i'm just going to lock in my vote again
##vote coagulation
if you played with my brain LSB i will call you LSD forever (wow im so funny)
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Glasse, so why, if your the real shrink, would you vote for a "possible mafia" when you, if you were the real shrink, would have found a "real mafia"(theoretical me.)
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On November 18 2010 11:03 Pandain wrote:
I didn't catch you hinting you tracked me. Who says mafia did?
Playiing some mega mind games over there haha
Pandain, you have much to learn .
Check out DoctorH's recent game if you want to figure out meta and other stuff.
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On November 18 2010 11:03 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
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PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Now your changing your reasoning, you said he wasn't confirmed. And why in the world would mafia RNG. wait i changed my reasoning? he wasnt confirmed. confirmed = 100%. there was still a chance the real detective didnt want to fall in the mafia trap. i feel like we are just going around in circle now because you can't bring anything up other than little meaningless changes(which are actually just different wording) in my arguments Again, LSB WAS 100% confirmed.Name one instance he could not be.
lets say he claimed, the real stork didnt want to claim incase he would fall in a mafia trap, he could have been mafia
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On November 18 2010 11:05 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 11:03 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
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PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Now your changing your reasoning, you said he wasn't confirmed. And why in the world would mafia RNG. wait i changed my reasoning? he wasnt confirmed. confirmed = 100%. there was still a chance the real detective didnt want to fall in the mafia trap. i feel like we are just going around in circle now because you can't bring anything up other than little meaningless changes(which are actually just different wording) in my arguments Again, LSB WAS 100% confirmed.Name one instance he could not be. lets say he claimed, the real stork didnt want to claim incase he would fall in a mafia trap, he could have been mafia
Why would the real stork not claim?
We would have gotten a mafia.
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##unvote
This vote will change to Coagulation. I want to hammer him, just to make sure no wierd jazz goes down.
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On November 18 2010 11:05 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 11:03 Pandain wrote:
I didn't catch you hinting you tracked me. Who says mafia did?
Playiing some mega mind games over there haha Pandain, you have much to learn . Check out DoctorH's recent game if you want to figure out meta and other stuff.
Do you really think Glasse/kenpachi would have thought of that?
Or even coag/kenpachi?
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On November 18 2010 11:07 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 11:05 LSB wrote:On November 18 2010 11:03 Pandain wrote:
I didn't catch you hinting you tracked me. Who says mafia did?
Playiing some mega mind games over there haha Pandain, you have much to learn . Check out DoctorH's recent game if you want to figure out meta and other stuff. Do you really think Glasse/kenpachi would have thought of that? Or even coag/kenpachi?
Glasse's play in Insane was perfect.
Town wouldn't lynch him
Mafia wouldn't waste a kill on him
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On November 18 2010 11:08 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 11:07 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 11:05 LSB wrote:On November 18 2010 11:03 Pandain wrote:
I didn't catch you hinting you tracked me. Who says mafia did?
Playiing some mega mind games over there haha Pandain, you have much to learn . Check out DoctorH's recent game if you want to figure out meta and other stuff. Do you really think Glasse/kenpachi would have thought of that? Or even coag/kenpachi? Glasse's play in Insane was perfect. Town wouldn't lynch him Mafia wouldn't waste a kill on him
Not to be rude, and sure I gues his play fit that, but I don't think that suggests a higher learning in the ways of mafia, especially in meta.
Being able to be annoying(no offense, it was funny sometimes!) =/= Being amazing at mafia.
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because someone like you could of started tons of meaningless shit to annoy everyone to prove the "no i'm the real one" " no me!" and it would not have ended well, probably
or he just wanted to make sure to live, as the tracker is very important to town
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i should really quote more, the post i'm answering is way up there :3
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So you didn't protect LSB, because you thought the "real tracker" was afraid to claim because he was afraid he would actually have to prove he was the real one(still at least a 50% chance), despite the fact then immediately we would know the other mafia.
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i said why i didnt protect him before, and it was because there was a chance he was not real stork, which is true, and if he was, he would probably not be targetted ANYWAY. you can't deny that unless you use dumb flawed logic, which you are trying to do, because you are desperate.
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Here, this is getting a bit agressive, and spammy.
How' bout I just make a big post later listing all the reasons why I think I can sufficently prove yoru fake, and then you can attempt to argue against them.
I'll do it tommorow since its roughly 9:15 pm here.
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This is Lylo
Divided town = death. We need to agree on one person to vote for.
If we don't agree. We lose due to a split vote.
There are three cases.
The common ground for all three cases is that if we don't vote Coagulation. There is a chance we instantly loose.
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I'll respond to this LSB. And sure, I'm even thinking about lynching coag.
Would you rather have a chance at instant victory and instant loss?
Or leave it to pure chance?
That's why I'm favoring just settling it between me and Glasse, and using analysis to decide between them, rather than the wifom I would have to use if we lynch Coag.
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its 9:15 here as well. go ahead and try to prove what you want. The strongest weapon i have against you is that i am the real flash, also that lsb kinda confirmed you were converted.
Try as much as you want, i'll look foward to it
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On November 18 2010 11:17 LSB wrote:
This is Lylo
Divided town = death. We need to agree on one person to vote for.
If we don't agree. We lose due to a split vote.
There are three cases.
The common ground for all three cases is that if we don't vote Coagulation. There is a chance we instantly loose.
Well we need a vote count, first of all
Can we have a vote count?
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On November 18 2010 11:19 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 11:17 LSB wrote:
This is Lylo
Divided town = death. We need to agree on one person to vote for.
If we don't agree. We lose due to a split vote.
There are three cases.
The common ground for all three cases is that if we don't vote Coagulation. There is a chance we instantly loose. Well we need a vote count, first of all Can we have a vote count?
Deconduo's afk. But I'll do it.
Pandain (1)
Coagulation
Glasse (1)
Pandain
Coagulation (1)
Glasse
Note Voting: LSB, KtheZ
Ties = No lynch
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kthez are you still watching? you should vote coag :3
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On November 18 2010 11:18 Pandain wrote:
I'll respond to this LSB. And sure, I'm even thinking about lynching coag.
Would you rather have a chance at instant victory and instant loss?
Or leave it to pure chance?
That's why I'm favoring just settling it between me and Glasse, and using analysis to decide between them, rather than the wifom I would have to use if we lynch Coag.
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On November 18 2010 11:23 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 11:18 Pandain wrote:
I'll respond to this LSB. And sure, I'm even thinking about lynching coag.
Would you rather have a chance at instant victory and instant loss?
Or leave it to pure chance?
That's why I'm favoring just settling it between me and Glasse, and using analysis to decide between them, rather than the wifom I would have to use if we lynch Coag.
I've learned from TMMM2 that there are times to play safe, and times to play ballsy and risky.
And it's not yet a time to play riskly.
As for settling it between you and Glasse with analysis -.-, I don't trust your analysis. Neither do I trust Glasse's analysis if he does any of you.
The thing is, I'm setting up a situation where the mafia will have to play along. Any stragglers are to be looked at suspiciously.
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my analysis are bad, you should only trust them if clues are involved (i proved that multiple times in haunted mafia)
pandain's are always full of flaws as well :3
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Technically isn't it 50% chance(me and glasse) vs. 33% chance(chance I'll correctly guess who he'll mc)
:p
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your plan is flawed already, i can't even mc. because i'm flash
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On November 18 2010 11:31 Pandain wrote:
Technically isn't it 50% chance(me and glasse) vs. 33% chance(chance I'll correctly guess who he'll mc)
:p
Given that each action is equally likely.
It's a 2/3+1/3*1/3= 7/9 = 78% chance if we lynch Coag
It's a 2/3= 66% chance if we lynch Glasse
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Thank you
##Vote Coagulation
KtheZ, please vote for Coagulation. This way there will be no way for mafia to ninja vote someone.
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##Unvote Coag.
Actually, I'm going to wait until at least when I wake up.
I still need to think about it and we should use up all of our time anyway.
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Although I am really wary of this, ill go along anyway.
##Vote Coagulation
And if he flips blue, there will be hell to pay (although we probably lsot)
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lol pandain needs to talk to coag about how to somehow avoid their loss
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ok you guys i cant fucking believe glasse is manipulating the shit out of this and you guys are all hook line and sinker to buy his bullshit.
fuck that. dont fucking let him push this bullshit on me.
he has been hiding all fucking game not contributing a fucking thing to town.
now all of a sudden he comes out and decides to fucking push a lynch on me. yeah sure fucking thing glasse. sorry to disappoint you buddy but your the one thats scum not me.
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of course i fucking let everyone know im medic and BIG FUCKING SUPRISE IM GETTING LYNCHED.
WHO WOULD MAFIA WANT TO LYNCH ??? MEDIC? YA NO SHIT.
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isnt it 100% obvious that lynching the fucking medic is bad? wow. unfucking believable
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Since coag claimed doctor and noone else did, we are lynching him on the assumption he was MCed, right?
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On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam.
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no, we are lynching him because pandain did an action on night 1. and only me(flash) pandain(medic) lsb(tracker) could leave. pandain was the medic and coag is just lying, now that pandain can't counter claim since its his teamate
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even doch seen through glasse bullshit
kenpachi flips scum
are you really gonna deny this?
##vote glasse
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wait i tried to get kenpachi lynched, how did drh see through something that doesnt even exist?
you are acting exactly like pandain. using dumb flawed logic because you are desperate
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On November 18 2010 12:42 Glasse wrote:
no, we are lynching him because pandain did an action on night 1. and only me(flash) pandain(medic) lsb(tracker) could leave. pandain was the medic and coag is just lying, now that pandain can't counter claim since its his teamate
ya like you didnt lie about your role
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On November 18 2010 12:44 Glasse wrote:
wait i tried to get kenpachi lynched, how did drh see through something that doesnt even exist?
you are acting exactly like pandain. using dumb flawed logic because you are desperate
ya i can try to get my scumbuddys lynched too when i know absolutely no one is listening to me anyway.
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On November 18 2010 12:42 Glasse wrote:
no, we are lynching him because pandain did an action on night 1. and only me(flash) pandain(medic) lsb(tracker) could leave. pandain was the medic and coag is just lying, now that pandain can't counter claim since its his teamate
Pandain fucking claimed flash. why the fuck are we lynching the only person who claimed medic.
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because i'm flash and lsb found that pandain got mind controlled by kenpachi
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##unovte
I wana read coagulation for a moment, I'll decide later.
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i feel like i'm explaining to myself here, i'm usually the guy that doesnt follow anything and ask everything
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On November 18 2010 12:46 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 12:42 Glasse wrote:
no, we are lynching him because pandain did an action on night 1. and only me(flash) pandain(medic) lsb(tracker) could leave. pandain was the medic and coag is just lying, now that pandain can't counter claim since its his teamate Pandain fucking claimed flash. why the fuck are we lynching the only person who claimed medic.
obviously because mafia wants medic lynched instead of glasse.
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medic is pandain and pandain is mafia, i hate those arguments when the 2 mafia are teaming up against me because i cant prove i'm flash other than hoping people dont believe mafia's flawed logic
wait i just realized something
notice how both of our suspects are teaming up on me.
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On November 18 2010 12:46 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 12:42 Glasse wrote:
no, we are lynching him because pandain did an action on night 1. and only me(flash) pandain(medic) lsb(tracker) could leave. pandain was the medic and coag is just lying, now that pandain can't counter claim since its his teamate Pandain fucking claimed flash. why the fuck are we lynching the only person who claimed medic.
All right. Lets assume Case 2. Pandain is converted, Coagulation is mafia.
Say we kill Pandain. However, Coagulation is the important one, he can convert someone. This gives us a 33% chance of winning the game.
It's a bit tricky what we have to do.
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On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote:
i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3
doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well
Interesting.
On November 14 2010 03:05 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote:
i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3
doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well No. Shrink has to protect LSB. Or at the very least, RNG between him and another player. Here's why I'm a bit upset: LSB you shouldn't have claimed. Here's the scenario: You check someone. You're also confirmed. right now, there's a 1/3 chance you will find someone. Actualy, 2/9 chance it will actually lead to a mafia. Right now I'm debating whether you should check someone in particular or do it randomly. I'l lay out what we should do once this question is answered; 1.Is it like mafia has one person to send in kills? Aka, if LSB checked a mafia, there's only a 50% chance he would be able to be tracked? Or is it if LSB tracks a mafia, he automatically finds that it leads to the victim, regardless of who sent the kill?
Consistent
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yea, i did protect myself night 1... i wasnt going to say "well ill protect myself night 1"
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ik. That's what I'm pointing out. Just going through some stuff.
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LSB just curious but how does town even know what you claimed you tracked tonight is true.
what if kenpachi converted you and you yourself have given false tracking information?
i know thats what i would do if i was confirmed tracker and MC'd.
just trying to figure out how the fuck mafia is managing to hit me with this bullshit.
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would i have died from prot you if you had been converted?
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Oh I see. So we have pandain as a confirmed mafia, and we're banking on coag to be the last mafia left, the one who has not used his kill.
I follow your logic completely. (Not sarcastic) Yes, I support coag as lynch.
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On November 18 2010 13:12 Coagulation wrote:
LSB just curious but how does town even know what you claimed you tracked tonight is true.
what if kenpachi converted you and you yourself have given false tracking information?
i know thats what i would do if i was confirmed tracker and MC'd.
just trying to figure out how the fuck mafia is managing to hit me with this bullshit.
www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168344¤tpage=22#435
Anyways I'm going to vote for you as
1) Its the safest path
2) My analysis on why mafia targeted Pandain
3) Glasse's post on what the shrink should do. I also find it unlikely that Pandain would protect himself
##Vote: Coagulation
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dont listen to lsb hes mafia.
also glasse and pandain and kthez.
all mafia.
i have a feeling.
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So uh, by my rules the votes were locked a while back when kthez voted. Gonna read over before making an actual decision.
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On November 18 2010 13:46 Coagulation wrote:
dont listen to lsb hes mafia.
also glasse and pandain and kthez.
all mafia.
i have a feeling.
when you start saying shit like that you confirm you are mafia, every single time i played with you
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So how have you been glasse.
how is school going?
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i'm not at school its 7 am, im leaving in about 1 hour for college :3
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I honestly hope you didnt get
Mad at me this game for being a little agressive
Sorry if i got a little out of control
Can you ever forgive me?
Umm if it makes you feel better your still my favorite cat
Maybe next time we can be scumbuddys.
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i don't hate you, i hate pandain :3
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I dont think you understood
Maybe read it again
Sometimes its hard to see the real meaning
Can you see it
Ur a pretty smart cat
Maybe..
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oh
i saw it just now
well i knew that already :3
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Lol why wouldn't I protect myself.
Let's think about it:
Dr. H is dead, Artanis is dead, it's going to be between you and me LSB.
Now they're most likely NOT going to hit you since you are most likely to get shrink protection. So they go for me.
So that's why I did that.
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On November 18 2010 21:12 Glasse wrote:
oh
i saw it just now
well i knew that already :3
Knew what??
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Jesus glasse "K"new what??
Same format buddy.
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both of you stop spamming.
And you just edited coag.
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YA the first mafia player ever to edit scum slips into a post.
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Please Deconduo dont modkill me for editing and give the town the win they earned fair and square but got stolen from them on account of an unfair technicality.
edit- i wont edit anymore i swear.
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and apparently coag is mafia.
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Night 3
Votes were locked when KtheZ voted.
Coagulation (2)
LSB
Glasse
Pandain (2)
KtheZ
Coagulation
Glasse (1)
Pandain
As there is a tie, no one is lynched.
It is now night time.
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... wow are you serious...
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In other news: Coagulation the Yakuza had a small accident. While he was fiendishly disguised as a probe, a large group of sharks with lasers KILLED HIM AND ATE HIS HEART.
Artists impression (Warning NSFW):
![[image loading]](http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/425/hostagexample.gif)
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GG glasse you can sit down now bro
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Day 4
LSB the Stork Tracker has been killed.
Pandain, KtheZ, Glasse alive.
Voting begins now.
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As it stands right now there's no way to verify who's telling the truth.
It could be glasse, it could be me.
It comes down to what it shoudl be, cold hard analysis.
I suggest we all wait so then mafia can't easily just get a majority or something.
Decon how are you going to end day? Whole 48 hours? Or what?
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On November 18 2010 21:53 Pandain wrote:
As it stands right now there's no way to verify who's telling the truth.
It could be glasse, it could be me.
It comes down to what it shoudl be, cold hard analysis.
I suggest we all wait so then mafia can't easily just get a majority or something.
Decon how are you going to end day? Whole 48 hours? Or what?
48 hours or until votes are locked. Same as yesterday.
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wait i didnt send my night action why was the day started?
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sorry for the delay, i just got back home from class (left after i posted tons of dots)
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On November 19 2010 01:34 Glasse wrote:
wait i didnt send my night action why was the day started?
nvm i guess since coag is dead pandain can't sacrifice, which makes me useless... but we could have used that time with lsb alive to talk :3
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I like this game, so I'll write a short death post. Haven't done this for a while.
I gave my all
My life, my blood, all for this game
And in one last call
Hope for everlasting fame.
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Why Glasse's claim of shrink does not fit(Also an Analysis of his posts)
Summary: glasse has not played pro town this game. He has offered poor advice, has played scummily, made contradictions, and says to have performed actions which simply do not make sense. Dr. H was right when he pinned Glasse/kenpachi as the mafia team. I urge you to read this post, and not just skim it, as I bring up very good points here.
His Posts:
On November 12 2010 21:01 Glasse wrote:
Sup, i'm finally unbanned (longest 2 days ever)
I feel like the doctor and the other thing that can protect shouldnt roleclaim. Not yet at least :3
So many bad things can happen :3
First post and it already bodes ill for him. Note his relunctance to roleclaim. Now, its obvious he feels that doctors/shrinks shouldn't roleclaim, because bad things can happen. Yet he claims he's shrink almost immediately after I reveal I'm shrink. That doesn't add up.
Also note he calls shrink "that other thing." doesn't he know the role if he is it?
On November 13 2010 00:42 Glasse wrote:
wait so if i get this right, mafia gets a free kp on night 1 and basically the medic/shrink/whatever will have to randomly guess who to protect?
did i get that wrong?
sounds kinda silly
Clarifies rules.
On November 13 2010 05:48 Glasse wrote:
what if that's what he want to he can convert, not die and then mafia has 3 ppl after night 1. :3
typing with this new keyboard feels so awesome
happy cat is happy look at him!
:3
First post against LSB(who has been revealed Town tracker.) Says that he could just be really a mafia who fake claimed tracker(despite the fact if the real tracker claimed that plan would be ruined.) So this statement is very leaning towards anti town, especially since LSB has already said he's confirmed because no other tracker has claimed. Ends with spam.
On November 13 2010 05:55 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 12:09 Coagulation wrote:
5. Glasse
Posting quality and town contribution fluctuates based on his roles he receives
if hes got a role hes not happy with hes pretty bad
if hes got a decent role he contributes alot
i played 2 games total you can't really base yourself on that
Later says its obvious he always role claims fast, which contradicts as mentioned previously and with this statement.
On November 13 2010 11:56 Glasse wrote:
i feel like this is going nowhere right now :3
we need to do stuff if we wanna stop them from convincing everyone to touch childrens inapropriately
And this doesn't help :/
On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote:
i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3
doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well
VERY ANTI TOWN. First, as already noted, shrink had to have protected LSB because he was confirmed, and tracker. Note that Glasse's claimed reason for not protecting LSB was that "he was not confirmed." Going further, why would Glasse protect himself? Did he really think he was in danger of being MCed?
Furthormore, he now claims this proves he DID protect himself night one. However, all it really proves is that he has been anti town in his "shrink" actions. So that doesn't even add up.
In addition having the doctor rng was a very bad idea. Mafia, as long as their not dumb, will never rng. Kills always have a purpose. Even worse, having the doctor RNG was even worse(doesn't protect LSB[wtf], can protect mafia, doesn't use noggin).
On November 15 2010 01:15 Glasse wrote:i wonder if mafia will try to hit the more experienced ppl or maybe we should lynch the most experienced ppl because they can manipulate easier
Says to lynch the expierenced people....
On November 15 2010 10:18 Glasse wrote:
can you really vote for no one?
also i would not do that, it makes it much easier to manipulate a vote for mafia if over half of the town doesnt even vote
says he is against not voting.
On November 15 2010 21:05 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 15 2010 12:17 Pandain wrote:I knew I would regret it. Yet now if i withdraw vote I look scummy But again, who else do you think is a good lynch? well you look like scum to me coagulation is our worst player i don't trust glasse's inactivity and iirc he made a kinda bad scummy post on me but that could have been in kingmaker, i don't exactly remember Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 12:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
glasse wasn't even in kingmaker so it was in this game what? where? Also coag, you're asking for it.. i was planning on being quiet but helpful, now i must unleash the derp. Also, going to vote for a lurker ##Vote: Kenpachi
Can we get an official vote count?
Goes against previous statement, votes for Kenpachi. Now, this may seem very "pro town" at first, seeing as kenpachi later turned out to be scum. But let's go in detail about this vote, and why in reality it put kenpachi in no danger. At that time, that was the very first vote for kenpachi. THE VERY FIRST VOTE. The votes to lynch no one was ahead by two votes, and doctor h had two votes. I was the only one who had to vote. Mafia go against other mafia all the time to lend town cred for later stages of the game. Ace did it hardcore against me in insane mafia, as well as RoL. Rather than take the actions at face value, what you have to do is go beyond and see what they really meant. As in, did they have any true effect? This vote, at that time, did not. It was merely giving him "brownie points" when really kenpachi was in no real danger.
Now, glasse never posted after this vote. I think it's a safe assumption to assume he did not come back until at least after I voted for kenpachi(which it was still safe for kenpachi.) Kenpachi was never in any real danger, therefore glasse's vote for him does not confirm him.
On November 16 2010 10:10 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam. Yea, because obviously me trying to get him lynched hes my teamate Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 07:27 LSB wrote:
Youngminii, please shoot glasse or Kenpachi. They're kinof inactive. i can start spamming instead of posting constructive comments every once in a while if you want, i thought people were mad at my super cat powers in insane mafia... i just don't feel like letting everyone know my thoughts on EVERYTHING all the time... if it bothers you so much i'll do it
Already adressed as glasse hardly tried to get kenpachi lynched. Says he doesn't want people to know what he's thinking(what).
On November 16 2010 10:14 Glasse wrote:
i just dont have anything important to say :3
SORRY!
Apologizing for not contributing. Again, note that this is how I caught kenpachi(in addition to other things.) This just reeks of inherent guilt, apologizing for not contributing.
On November 16 2010 10:25 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote:
What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument? i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something.
Now, this does mean something. What's happening right now? YM is dead, and he was going to either (in most liklihood) shoot kenpachi or Dr. H. Now, glasse finally comes in, and puts suscipcion on dr. h. So this actually DOES mean something. Also note dr. h was town.
On November 16 2010 23:07 Glasse wrote:
honestly i would've hit kenpachi :3
this sucks
Alright, wtf. why didn't you say this before. Now, I now previously you were responding to how you felt about me vs dr. h, but seriously this kind of stuff is important. Also note this is AFTER Dr. H was already shot, so he can say whatever he says he "felt" really :/.
On November 17 2010 23:41 Glasse wrote:
wait kenpachi commited suicide but artanis isnt red now?
YES someone got protected by flash!
Yes, and it wasn't you. Note that this really just shows he's not flash, that that was just a spur of the moment decision to combat my claim as flash. Note that how would this work since he claims he protected LSB night two. Doesn't add up.
On November 18 2010 04:34 Glasse wrote:
we cant leave pandain alive, he could just sacrifice himself then we lose track of everything.
Again, if he's flash couldn't he protect from the "evil pandain?" Also note he hasn't voted for me either, so he's saying and not doing.
On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote:
ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.
kthez or coag are mafia
Claims he's flash.
On November 18 2010 06:20 Glasse wrote:
i protected myself night 1 and lsb night 2.
Now let's analyze these choices. Now, obviously protecting himself night one for the reasons he did was very anti town. And why would he protect LSB if he was still unsure of his alignment? In addition, why would he protect himself night one.
1.Did he really think mafia would try to sacrifice one of their own to get him?(you might be pretty decent but your not incognito or something)
2.Did he really think HE was more likely to get Mced than LSB, or even Artanis/Dr. H?(or i, but I'm not as amazing)
These choices just don't fit.
On November 18 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 06:20 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote:
ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.
kthez or coag are mafia And we caught the second mafia. yea, kthez or coag maybe even lsb... his claim could be fake :3 crap
This doesn't fit either. So he isn't sure of LSB's alignment even now(yet protected him the previous night), and thinks he found a mafia(me) because of what LSB(who he doesn't know is confirmed) says? Sorry if that's worded weird. But furthormore, LSB is obviously confirmed.
On November 18 2010 06:23 Glasse wrote:
facepalm, please dont believe him :3
who cares if i went against the town consensus, i thought i should protect myself until i know more and not chance having mafia get 3 because their sacrifice didnt actually die
Thus begins his great "proof" of being shrink, that you guys shouldn't believe me. The second sentence, read it. "Who cares if I went against the town consensus". That is a VERY mafia-esque statement. going furthor, here he reveals he didn't protect LSB because he didn't think LSB was town(at the very least not neccesarily).
On November 18 2010 08:42 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 06:30 LSB wrote:
-maintains radio silence-
Keep a clean thread for the final day please
(I tracked Pandain) (did he leave his house?)
Why would you have to ask this if your the real shrink? If you were real(and thus I fake), you would already know.
On November 18 2010 10:24 Glasse wrote:
well i made a list of possiblities :3
also i'm not lying
pandain left night 1 so it means :
Effort - drh *dead
calm - artanis *dead
clam - kthez
sea - pandain (mafia)
stork - lsb
jaedong - youngmini *dead
flash - glasse
mafia 1 - kenpachi *dead
mafia 2 - coag
i fail to see how anything else can happen, since all roles that can go out are confirmed, pandain was medic and coag is mafia. unless coag lied and kthez is mafia, but i doubt it? :3
##vote: coagulation
Votes coag, but again obviously that doesn't really matterr since here he is now.
On November 18 2010 10:33 Glasse wrote:
##unvote (for now so it doesnt end the day)
Actually pro town, the first pro town thing.
On November 18 2010 10:39 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 06:40 Pandain wrote:On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam. Dr. H accuses him, glasse accuses back and tries to make Dr. H seem less credible. On November 16 2010 10:25 Glasse wrote:On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote:
What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument? i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. And yes, I want glasse to respond to all this. I'll do an analysis hopefully after I get back from this political group thingamabobber, but until then I'll just be pointing out inconsitincies/proofs. Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 06:35 Pandain wrote:
And I have full faith I'll be able to get him lynched so we win, since he has already messed up several ways.
1.Keeps suggesting you could be fake, while saying he protected himself because he didn't believe you, and he still doesn't believe you now, yet he "protected LSB second night."
2.He immediately claims he's shrink, which suggests either
1.He's VERY VERY VERY VERY rash. or
2.He's thought this out already, and knows what to do(try to get me lynched)
You tracked me night one, that lends credence to me. What does Glasse have? His word?
You are really pushing for me because you think i can't defend myself or something? 1. i didnt say he was fake, i said he could be. i realized he could be fake while typing the post where i said he could be... then he said no counter claim, which is right and makes sense, if the real tracker said it we would of owned a mafia early. what can happen is that medic protected sacrifice so there are actually 3 mafia, but game would be over already that way. he can't be mafia 2. i was reading the thread, people that are obvious liars and full of shit make me kinda mad so i had to claim quickly to exactly not let you use the argument "he thought about it for a while and decided to counter claim" i said drh was trying 2 hard because did you see those 10000 words posts? i felt like it was 2 much do an analysis if you want, you will point out random fake shit to try to prove me as red, but then i can easily deny all of those accusations, since i'm not red did i miss something?
Here he elaborates on his story. Now says he didn't know if LSB WAS confirmed. But again, did he really think it was more likely that he would be MCEd than LSB???
Also says he claimed early so then other people wouldn't be like "well, he claimed late so..." when later he says that "you know I always roleclaim."
On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
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PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost
Here he says he roleclaimed because he's just like that. Also now says that he was indeed doing what LSB said glasse was probably, that he was just being "uber meta". So now its a new reason.
Also how would you know if mafia wouldn't know fadoodle?
On November 18 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
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PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Now your changing your reasoning, you said he wasn't confirmed. And why in the world would mafia RNG. wait i changed my reasoning? he wasnt confirmed. confirmed = 100%. there was still a chance the real detective didnt want to fall in the mafia trap. i feel like we are just going around in circle now because you can't bring anything up other than little meaningless changes(which are actually just different wording) in my arguments
Again, yes he was. Real tracker would've claimed immediately.
On November 18 2010 11:05 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 11:03 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Now your changing your reasoning, you said he wasn't confirmed. And why in the world would mafia RNG. wait i changed my reasoning? he wasnt confirmed. confirmed = 100%. there was still a chance the real detective didnt want to fall in the mafia trap. i feel like we are just going around in circle now because you can't bring anything up other than little meaningless changes(which are actually just different wording) in my arguments Again, LSB WAS 100% confirmed.Name one instance he could not be. lets say he claimed, the real stork didnt want to claim incase he would fall in a mafia trap, he could have been mafia
Why would anyone not claim because of this?
On November 18 2010 11:14 Glasse wrote:
i said why i didnt protect him before, and it was because there was a chance he was not real stork, which is true, and if he was, he would probably not be targetted ANYWAY. you can't deny that unless you use dumb flawed logic, which you are trying to do, because you are desperate.
Again, previously he said he only did it because "lsb was not confirmed."
And then he's also been pushing to lynch coag(well, really LSB was.) But here's where I think it really was just a plan for glasse to get to late stage.
Let's see the scenario:
Coag(mafia)
Glasse(mafia)
Pandain
LSB
KtheZ
Now, he could've done one of two things.
1.Push to get me lynched.
But never voted for me. And this would be hard to do since I got the truth on my side.
2.Get Coag lynched, hit LSB. Now he is "basically confirmed" and can probably get me lynched.
This is alot like what happened with me in insane mafia. But note this analysis, how it shows otherwise. This option was actually the smart one to do.
Now, let's see coag's performance here.
On November 18 2010 12:34 Coagulation wrote:
ok you guys i cant fucking believe glasse is manipulating the shit out of this and you guys are all hook line and sinker to buy his bullshit.
fuck that. dont fucking let him push this bullshit on me.
he has been hiding all fucking game not contributing a fucking thing to town.
now all of a sudden he comes out and decides to fucking push a lynch on me. yeah sure fucking thing glasse. sorry to disappoint you buddy but your the one thats scum not me.
Does this really sound sincere? To me it sounds setup. Obviously this is wifom but informed wifom.
On November 18 2010 12:51 Glasse wrote:
medic is pandain and pandain is mafia, i hate those arguments when the 2 mafia are teaming up against me because i cant prove i'm flash other than hoping people dont believe mafia's flawed logic
wait i just realized something
notice how both of our suspects are teaming up on me.
Tries to link me and coag when I pointed out coag was 100% mafia(before he was killed, so why would i do that if we were scum buddies.)
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bolded most important part
i did not read your post but:
why would i try really hard to get my "teamate" lynched? why would i be fucking pissed because no lynch happened and he didnt die?
also the part where i was wondering why the day fucking started without me sending in my night action, when you were in the thread ready to pm your kill for lsb. i was at college I COULD NOT HAVE PM'D DECONDUO TO GET LSB KILLED, i was in my stats class where we don't have computers
you however, were reading the thread and posted right after he decided to lynch coag
also you only took parts of what i said where it advantage you, like the part where i unvoted for a WHOLE HOUR so we have a bit more time to discuss, then instantly revoted for coag.
i know kthez is smart, he won't pick you because you have obvious stuff pointing at you. a lot more than whatever you can try to (terribly) analyse
now please, kthez, vote pandain.
i don't feel like i need to explain more or try to twist your already scummy posts my way.
oh also, lsb pointed out tons of good points about pandain
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Perhaps its because your not the real flash?
And if you had read my post you would see why your vote for coag doesn't confirm you.
Wait, you said "i did not read your post" then talk about my post?
dude, you can't just say "I'm the real flash" and expect to be believed. Learn that next time when playing mafia.
And LSB said nothing about me besides when he tracked me, which all it does really is confirm I'm shrink. Don't make stuff up.
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"I don't feel like I need to explain more or try to twist your already scummy posts my way"
When would you ever?
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On November 19 2010 06:04 Pandain wrote:
Perhaps its because your not the real flash?
And if you had read my post you would see why your vote for coag doesn't confirm you.
Wait, you said "i did not read your post" then talk about my post?
dude, you can't just say "I'm the real flash" and expect to be believed. Learn that next time when playing mafia.
And LSB said nothing about me besides when he tracked me, which all it does really is confirm I'm shrink. Don't make stuff up.
i did not read all your post* (if i could i would edit things like that)
you also said you are the real flash, because it was an easy way out of the hole you were deep in, then i claimed. the "expect to be believed" applies to yuo as well.
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On November 19 2010 06:05 Pandain wrote:
"I don't feel like I need to explain more or try to twist your already scummy posts my way"
When would you ever?
i'm in a good position right now, where i'm actually telling the truth so i don't need to lie and not quote part of posts that are most important to prove i'm blue
also you completely avoided the fact that i left for roughly 3h30 and then came back and posted, which was after my class
i feel like that in itself is a good enough point that proves i can't have posted... i can show you my schedule if you want...
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On November 19 2010 06:10 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 06:05 Pandain wrote:
"I don't feel like I need to explain more or try to twist your already scummy posts my way"
When would you ever?
i'm in a good position right now, where i'm actually telling the truth so i don't need to lie and not quote part of posts that are most important to prove i'm blue also you completely avoided the fact that i left for roughly 3h30 and then came back and posted, which was after my class i feel like that in itself is a good enough point that proves i can't have posted... i can show you my schedule if you want...
What are you talking about for the second sentence.
Furthormore, I'm saying when would you ever feel the need to twist scummy posts your way? I'm saying that you basically said that you would if the situation were different(lsb had tracked you for instance.) Furthormore, in response to your above post(not quoted), I AM proving that I'm the real shrink. You're not, just saying "believe meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and wifommmmmmmmm"
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you can't prove shit, because i'm flash and i suck at arguments
also :
On November 18 2010 21:04 Glasse wrote:
i'm not at school its 7 am, im leaving in about 1 hour for college :3
On November 19 2010 01:34 Glasse wrote:
wait i didnt send my night action why was the day started?
first post when i get back, thats what i meant
you are just twisting my words because i word stuff differently a lot because i'm french and my english isnt perfect, ill read your post and answer to everything then i guess if you really want to be fucking annoying about it
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On November 19 2010 06:18 Glasse wrote:you can't prove shit, because i'm flash and i suck at arguments also : Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 21:04 Glasse wrote:
i'm not at school its 7 am, im leaving in about 1 hour for college :3 Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 01:34 Glasse wrote:
wait i didnt send my night action why was the day started? first post when i get back, thats what i meant you are just twisting my words because i word stuff differently a lot because i'm french and my english isnt perfect, ill read your post and answer to everything then i guess if you really want to be fucking annoying about it
"I can't argue, but trust me" is not a valid argument."
You are even more likely than me to be mafia because
1.Lynching Coag was the smart option for mafia
2.Why would coag have voted me SO fast.
And yes, answer to everything. I'm sorry if I'm being confusing, but if you ever need just ask for clarification. I understand not everyone on TL speaks English as a first language.
Also, your first post when you got back from what?
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nvm about clarification, ty
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Regarding that, it really doesn't apply. First off its wifom, we don't know for sure you're going to college. Most likely your not lying, but the main thing is you could post even from college. I know brownbear does, and I post from high school(and in college you have more freedom so.)
Basically that argument relies to wifomm, which is not a good basis for argument.
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On November 19 2010 05:21 Pandain wrote:Why Glasse's claim of shrink does not fit(Also an Analysis of his posts)Summary: glasse has not played pro town this game. He has offered poor advice, has played scummily, made contradictions, and says to have performed actions which simply do not make sense. Dr. H was right when he pinned Glasse/kenpachi as the mafia team. I urge you to read this post, and not just skim it, as I bring up very good points here.
His Posts:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 21:01 Glasse wrote:
Sup, i'm finally unbanned (longest 2 days ever)
I feel like the doctor and the other thing that can protect shouldnt roleclaim. Not yet at least :3
So many bad things can happen :3 First post and it already bodes ill for him. Note his relunctance to roleclaim. Now, its obvious he feels that doctors/shrinks shouldn't roleclaim, because bad things can happen. Yet he claims he's shrink almost immediately after I reveal I'm shrink. That doesn't add up. Also note he calls shrink "that other thing." doesn't he know the role if he is it? Obviously i fucking instantly roleclaimed, i felt like the fact that everyone thought he was confirmed because no one counter claimed would of worked my way, i instantly posted when i saw your comment because i was excited we confirmed a mafia member. Also, an easy way to make people think i'm not flash is to not even know how to call itShow nested quote +On November 13 2010 00:42 Glasse wrote:
wait so if i get this right, mafia gets a free kp on night 1 and basically the medic/shrink/whatever will have to randomly guess who to protect?
did i get that wrong?
sounds kinda silly Clarifies rules. Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 05:48 Glasse wrote:
what if that's what he want to he can convert, not die and then mafia has 3 ppl after night 1. :3
typing with this new keyboard feels so awesome
happy cat is happy look at him!
:3 First post against LSB(who has been revealed Town tracker.) Says that he could just be really a mafia who fake claimed tracker(despite the fact if the real tracker claimed that plan would be ruined.) So this statement is very leaning towards anti town, especially since LSB has already said he's confirmed because no other tracker has claimed. Ends with spam. So you are avoiding my whole argument i did with you a couple pages ago to point this out AGAIN because it can help you in a way. No, he was not 100% confirmed and i explained why before. If the real detective didnt want to claim yet incase he would die and/or cause chaos to townShow nested quote +On November 13 2010 05:55 Glasse wrote:On November 12 2010 12:09 Coagulation wrote:
5. Glasse
Posting quality and town contribution fluctuates based on his roles he receives
if hes got a role hes not happy with hes pretty bad
if hes got a decent role he contributes alot
i played 2 games total you can't really base yourself on that Later says its obvious he always role claims fast, which contradicts as mentioned previously and with this statement. i like how you only remember things that helps you try to down me lol. the way i post and myself roleclaiming fast don't really mean the same thing, Also i wanted to be jaedong, fuck flash :3 Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 11:56 Glasse wrote:
i feel like this is going nowhere right now :3
we need to do stuff if we wanna stop them from convincing everyone to touch childrens inapropriately And this doesn't help :/ Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote:
i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3
doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well VERY ANTI TOWN. First, as already noted, shrink had to have protected LSB because he was confirmed, and tracker. Note that Glasse's claimed reason for not protecting LSB was that "he was not confirmed." Going further, why would Glasse protect himself? Did he really think he was in danger of being MCed? Furthormore, he now claims this proves he DID protect himself night one. However, all it really proves is that he has been anti town in his "shrink" actions. So that doesn't even add up. In addition having the doctor rng was a very bad idea. Mafia, as long as their not dumb, will never rng. Kills always have a purpose. Even worse, having the doctor RNG was even worse(doesn't protect LSB[wtf], can protect mafia, doesn't use noggin). bringing this up again, jesus fucking christ, i explained it earlier in my answers. he was not 100% confirmed, i was not necessarily in danger of getting mc'd i just thought it'd be a better choice to keep myself as town instead of another random person that could have ended up being mafia as well. Also you really like to press on that "rng is dumb for doctor" because you really thought about it AS YOU WERE THE DOCTOR AT THAT POINT and disagree with me on that pointShow nested quote +On November 15 2010 01:15 Glasse wrote:i wonder if mafia will try to hit the more experienced ppl or maybe we should lynch the most experienced ppl because they can manipulate easier Says to lynch the expierenced people.... yea, the reason why i said it is true, i wouldnt want to lynch you early because your abilities to analyse suck Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 10:18 Glasse wrote:
can you really vote for no one?
also i would not do that, it makes it much easier to manipulate a vote for mafia if over half of the town doesnt even vote says he is against not voting. of course, 2 kills per mafia a night is fucking dangerous, i'd rather take a chance and maybe catch one. and if you look, i voted kenpachi which ended up being an actual mafiaShow nested quote +On November 15 2010 21:05 Glasse wrote:On November 15 2010 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 15 2010 12:17 Pandain wrote:I knew I would regret it. Yet now if i withdraw vote I look scummy But again, who else do you think is a good lynch? well you look like scum to me coagulation is our worst player i don't trust glasse's inactivity and iirc he made a kinda bad scummy post on me but that could have been in kingmaker, i don't exactly remember On November 15 2010 12:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
glasse wasn't even in kingmaker so it was in this game what? where? Also coag, you're asking for it.. i was planning on being quiet but helpful, now i must unleash the derp. Also, going to vote for a lurker ##Vote: Kenpachi
Can we get an official vote count? Goes against previous statement, votes for Kenpachi. Now, this may seem very "pro town" at first, seeing as kenpachi later turned out to be scum. But let's go in detail about this vote, and why in reality it put kenpachi in no danger. At that time, that was the very first vote for kenpachi. THE VERY FIRST VOTE. The votes to lynch no one was ahead by two votes, and doctor h had two votes. I was the only one who had to vote. Mafia go against other mafia all the time to lend town cred for later stages of the game. Ace did it hardcore against me in insane mafia, as well as RoL. Rather than take the actions at face value, what you have to do is go beyond and see what they really meant. As in, did they have any true effect? This vote, at that time, did not. It was merely giving him "brownie points" when really kenpachi was in no real danger. Now, glasse never posted after this vote. I think it's a safe assumption to assume he did not come back until at least after I voted for kenpachi(which it was still safe for kenpachi.) Kenpachi was never in any real danger, therefore glasse's vote for him does not confirm him. wait how the fuck am i going against my previous statement, i was AGAINST voting for no one. Also 21h KST is around when i usually leave for college i think, so thats why i came back later
maybe he wasnt in real danger, that's true, but he could have been as i left after i voted and it could have ended badlyShow nested quote +On November 16 2010 10:10 Glasse wrote:On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam. Yea, because obviously me trying to get him lynched hes my teamate On November 16 2010 07:27 LSB wrote:
Youngminii, please shoot glasse or Kenpachi. They're kinof inactive. i can start spamming instead of posting constructive comments every once in a while if you want, i thought people were mad at my super cat powers in insane mafia... i just don't feel like letting everyone know my thoughts on EVERYTHING all the time... if it bothers you so much i'll do it Already adressed as glasse hardly tried to get kenpachi lynched. Says he doesn't want people to know what he's thinking(what). i thought what drh said in insane mafia was true, telling everything you know to everyone can often harm the town more than it can helpShow nested quote +On November 16 2010 10:14 Glasse wrote:
i just dont have anything important to say :3
SORRY! Apologizing for not contributing. Again, note that this is how I caught kenpachi(in addition to other things.) This just reeks of inherent guilt, apologizing for not contributing. yea, i felt bad for not helping the town, if you really thought what you just said is true you would have said it earlier, not now where you desperatly need to prove i'm mafia to get your mafia win. I WONT FUCKING LET YOU WIN TWICE IN A ROW and if i was mafia you could be 100% sure i would have fucking killed you night 1 because i hate youShow nested quote +On November 16 2010 10:25 Glasse wrote:On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote:
What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument? i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. Now, this does mean something. What's happening right now? YM is dead, and he was going to either (in most liklihood) shoot kenpachi or Dr. H. Now, glasse finally comes in, and puts suscipcion on dr. h. So this actually DOES mean something. Also note dr. h was town. yea, i dont remember drh posting posts as big as this one before to prove a point that could have been proven in a much shorter way, i thought he was trying to hide something, which i also explained laterShow nested quote +On November 16 2010 23:07 Glasse wrote:
honestly i would've hit kenpachi :3
this sucks Alright, wtf. why didn't you say this before. Now, I now previously you were responding to how you felt about me vs dr. h, but seriously this kind of stuff is important. Also note this is AFTER Dr. H was already shot, so he can say whatever he says he "felt" really :/. what i said about drh wasnt a fucking accusation, it was a suspicion, my vote was still on kenpachi because he was lurking way 2 muchShow nested quote +On November 17 2010 23:41 Glasse wrote:
wait kenpachi commited suicide but artanis isnt red now?
YES someone got protected by flash! Yes, and it wasn't you. Note that this really just shows he's not flash, that that was just a spur of the moment decision to combat my claim as flash. Note that how would this work since he claims he protected LSB night two. Doesn't add up. nope, no one was protected by flash, as it was also explained to me later, lsb found out that you were visited. i thought kenpachi had suicided on lsb at first, so i was really fucking happy.Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 04:34 Glasse wrote:
we cant leave pandain alive, he could just sacrifice himself then we lose track of everything. Again, if he's flash couldn't he protect from the "evil pandain?" Also note he hasn't voted for me either, so he's saying and not doing. herp derp durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i don't have 100% chance to pick the same target as mafia with my shrinkShow nested quote +On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote:
ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.
kthez or coag are mafia Claims he's flash. Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 06:20 Glasse wrote:
i protected myself night 1 and lsb night 2. Now let's analyze these choices. Now, obviously protecting himself night one for the reasons he did was very anti town. And why would he protect LSB if he was still unsure of his alignment? In addition, why would he protect himself night one. 1.Did he really think mafia would try to sacrifice one of their own to get him?(you might be pretty decent but your not incognito or something) 2.Did he really think HE was more likely to get Mced than LSB, or even Artanis/Dr. H?(or i, but I'm not as amazing) These choices just don't fit. night 1 wasnt anti town, i explained it many times
i realize stuff while im typing a post and i realized lsb still wasnt 100% and i had protected him, which could've been bad
oh and about night 2, i really thought about shrinking artanis instead of lsb, because they are both good and i ended up picking lsbShow nested quote +On November 18 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 06:20 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote:
ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.
kthez or coag are mafia And we caught the second mafia. yea, kthez or coag maybe even lsb... his claim could be fake :3 crap This doesn't fit either. So he isn't sure of LSB's alignment even now(yet protected him the previous night), and thinks he found a mafia(me) because of what LSB(who he doesn't know is confirmed) says? Sorry if that's worded weird. But furthormore, LSB is obviously confirmed. o hai i just answered this, sometimes i realize stuff while im posting, or right after
a bit after i also realized there was no way he wasnt detectiveShow nested quote +On November 18 2010 06:23 Glasse wrote:
facepalm, please dont believe him :3
who cares if i went against the town consensus, i thought i should protect myself until i know more and not chance having mafia get 3 because their sacrifice didnt actually die Thus begins his great "proof" of being shrink, that you guys shouldn't believe me. The second sentence, read it. "Who cares if I went against the town consensus". That is a VERY mafia-esque statement. going furthor, here he reveals he didn't protect LSB because he didn't think LSB was town(at the very least not neccesarily). Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 08:42 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 06:30 LSB wrote:
-maintains radio silence-
Keep a clean thread for the final day please
(I tracked Pandain) (did he leave his house?) Why would you have to ask this if your the real shrink? If you were real(and thus I fake), you would already know. because if you didnt leave your house, you were bulletproof (which kthez is) and if you did leave, you were doctor (and you are), at that point i was making my list that i posted shortly afterShow nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:24 Glasse wrote:
well i made a list of possiblities :3
also i'm not lying
pandain left night 1 so it means :
Effort - drh *dead
calm - artanis *dead
clam - kthez
sea - pandain (mafia)
stork - lsb
jaedong - youngmini *dead
flash - glasse
mafia 1 - kenpachi *dead
mafia 2 - coag
i fail to see how anything else can happen, since all roles that can go out are confirmed, pandain was medic and coag is mafia. unless coag lied and kthez is mafia, but i doubt it? :3
##vote: coagulation Votes coag, but again obviously that doesn't really matterr since here he is now. Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:33 Glasse wrote:
##unvote (for now so it doesnt end the day) Actually pro town, the first pro town thing. Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:39 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 06:40 Pandain wrote:On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam. Dr. H accuses him, glasse accuses back and tries to make Dr. H seem less credible. On November 16 2010 10:25 Glasse wrote:On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote:
What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument? i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. And yes, I want glasse to respond to all this. I'll do an analysis hopefully after I get back from this political group thingamabobber, but until then I'll just be pointing out inconsitincies/proofs. On November 18 2010 06:35 Pandain wrote:
And I have full faith I'll be able to get him lynched so we win, since he has already messed up several ways.
1.Keeps suggesting you could be fake, while saying he protected himself because he didn't believe you, and he still doesn't believe you now, yet he "protected LSB second night."
2.He immediately claims he's shrink, which suggests either
1.He's VERY VERY VERY VERY rash. or
2.He's thought this out already, and knows what to do(try to get me lynched)
You tracked me night one, that lends credence to me. What does Glasse have? His word?
You are really pushing for me because you think i can't defend myself or something? 1. i didnt say he was fake, i said he could be. i realized he could be fake while typing the post where i said he could be... then he said no counter claim, which is right and makes sense, if the real tracker said it we would of owned a mafia early. what can happen is that medic protected sacrifice so there are actually 3 mafia, but game would be over already that way. he can't be mafia 2. i was reading the thread, people that are obvious liars and full of shit make me kinda mad so i had to claim quickly to exactly not let you use the argument "he thought about it for a while and decided to counter claim" i said drh was trying 2 hard because did you see those 10000 words posts? i felt like it was 2 much do an analysis if you want, you will point out random fake shit to try to prove me as red, but then i can easily deny all of those accusations, since i'm not red did i miss something? Here he elaborates on his story. Now says he didn't know if LSB WAS confirmed. But again, did he really think it was more likely that he would be MCEd than LSB??? Also says he claimed early so then other people wouldn't be like "well, he claimed late so..." when later he says that "you know I always roleclaim." Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
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PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Here he says he roleclaimed because he's just like that. Also now says that he was indeed doing what LSB said glasse was probably, that he was just being "uber meta". So now its a new reason. Also how would you know if mafia wouldn't know fadoodle?
Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
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PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Now your changing your reasoning, you said he wasn't confirmed. And why in the world would mafia RNG. wait i changed my reasoning? he wasnt confirmed. confirmed = 100%. there was still a chance the real detective didnt want to fall in the mafia trap. i feel like we are just going around in circle now because you can't bring anything up other than little meaningless changes(which are actually just different wording) in my arguments Again, yes he was. Real tracker would've claimed immediately. Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 11:05 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 11:03 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
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PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Now your changing your reasoning, you said he wasn't confirmed. And why in the world would mafia RNG. wait i changed my reasoning? he wasnt confirmed. confirmed = 100%. there was still a chance the real detective didnt want to fall in the mafia trap. i feel like we are just going around in circle now because you can't bring anything up other than little meaningless changes(which are actually just different wording) in my arguments Again, LSB WAS 100% confirmed.Name one instance he could not be. lets say he claimed, the real stork didnt want to claim incase he would fall in a mafia trap, he could have been mafia Why would anyone not claim because of this? Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 11:14 Glasse wrote:
i said why i didnt protect him before, and it was because there was a chance he was not real stork, which is true, and if he was, he would probably not be targetted ANYWAY. you can't deny that unless you use dumb flawed logic, which you are trying to do, because you are desperate. Again, previously he said he only did it because "lsb was not confirmed." And then he's also been pushing to lynch coag(well, really LSB was.) But here's where I think it really was just a plan for glasse to get to late stage. Let's see the scenario: Coag(mafia) Glasse(mafia) Pandain LSB KtheZ Now, he could've done one of two things. 1.Push to get me lynched.But never voted for me. And this would be hard to do since I got the truth on my side. 2.Get Coag lynched, hit LSB. Now he is "basically confirmed" and can probably get me lynched. This is alot like what happened with me in insane mafia. But note this analysis, how it shows otherwise. This option was actually the smart one to do.Now, let's see coag's performance here. Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 12:34 Coagulation wrote:
ok you guys i cant fucking believe glasse is manipulating the shit out of this and you guys are all hook line and sinker to buy his bullshit.
fuck that. dont fucking let him push this bullshit on me.
he has been hiding all fucking game not contributing a fucking thing to town.
now all of a sudden he comes out and decides to fucking push a lynch on me. yeah sure fucking thing glasse. sorry to disappoint you buddy but your the one thats scum not me.
Does this really sound sincere? To me it sounds setup. Obviously this is wifom but informed wifom. Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 12:51 Glasse wrote:
medic is pandain and pandain is mafia, i hate those arguments when the 2 mafia are teaming up against me because i cant prove i'm flash other than hoping people dont believe mafia's flawed logic
wait i just realized something
notice how both of our suspects are teaming up on me. Tries to link me and coag when I pointed out coag was 100% mafia(before he was killed, so why would i do that if we were scum buddies.)
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fuck i hit the post button accidently, brb going to continue answering
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On November 18 2010 10:24 Glasse wrote:
well i made a list of possiblities :3
also i'm not lying
pandain left night 1 so it means :
Effort - drh *dead
calm - artanis *dead
clam - kthez
sea - pandain (mafia)
stork - lsb
jaedong - youngmini *dead
flash - glasse
mafia 1 - kenpachi *dead
mafia 2 - coag
i fail to see how anything else can happen, since all roles that can go out are confirmed, pandain was medic and coag is mafia. unless coag lied and kthez is mafia, but i doubt it? :3
##vote: coagulation
Votes coag, but again obviously that doesn't really matterr since here he is now.
On November 18 2010 10:33 Glasse wrote:
##unvote (for now so it doesnt end the day)
Actually pro town, the first pro town thing.
yep, so i unvoted him for a whole hour to hopefully get more time to talk with lsb about it
On November 18 2010 10:39 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 06:40 Pandain wrote:On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam. Dr. H accuses him, glasse accuses back and tries to make Dr. H seem less credible. On November 16 2010 10:25 Glasse wrote:On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote:
What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument? i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. And yes, I want glasse to respond to all this. I'll do an analysis hopefully after I get back from this political group thingamabobber, but until then I'll just be pointing out inconsitincies/proofs. Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 06:35 Pandain wrote:
And I have full faith I'll be able to get him lynched so we win, since he has already messed up several ways.
1.Keeps suggesting you could be fake, while saying he protected himself because he didn't believe you, and he still doesn't believe you now, yet he "protected LSB second night."
2.He immediately claims he's shrink, which suggests either
1.He's VERY VERY VERY VERY rash. or
2.He's thought this out already, and knows what to do(try to get me lynched)
You tracked me night one, that lends credence to me. What does Glasse have? His word?
You are really pushing for me because you think i can't defend myself or something? 1. i didnt say he was fake, i said he could be. i realized he could be fake while typing the post where i said he could be... then he said no counter claim, which is right and makes sense, if the real tracker said it we would of owned a mafia early. what can happen is that medic protected sacrifice so there are actually 3 mafia, but game would be over already that way. he can't be mafia 2. i was reading the thread, people that are obvious liars and full of shit make me kinda mad so i had to claim quickly to exactly not let you use the argument "he thought about it for a while and decided to counter claim" i said drh was trying 2 hard because did you see those 10000 words posts? i felt like it was 2 much do an analysis if you want, you will point out random fake shit to try to prove me as red, but then i can easily deny all of those accusations, since i'm not red did i miss something?
Here he elaborates on his story. Now says he didn't know if LSB WAS confirmed. But again, did he really think it was more likely that he would be MCEd than LSB???
Also says he claimed early so then other people wouldn't be like "well, he claimed late so..." when later he says that "you know I always roleclaim."
this is a case if twisting my words because my english is not perfect, like i explained before. also as i explained before as well. if lsb was the actual detective and not mafia, would have probably avoided him night 1 due to people probably protecting him, which you, as doctor, were not smart enough to think about and you defended him
On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
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PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost
Here he says he roleclaimed because he's just like that. Also now says that he was indeed doing what LSB said glasse was probably, that he was just being "uber meta". So now its a new reason.
Also how would you know if mafia wouldn't know fadoodle?
wait i don't really see what you want from me here?
On November 18 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
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PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Now your changing your reasoning, you said he wasn't confirmed. And why in the world would mafia RNG. wait i changed my reasoning? he wasnt confirmed. confirmed = 100%. there was still a chance the real detective didnt want to fall in the mafia trap. i feel like we are just going around in circle now because you can't bring anything up other than little meaningless changes(which are actually just different wording) in my arguments
Again, yes he was. Real tracker would've claimed immediately.
yep, this is probably true. because i instantly claimed when you fake claimed as flash, but at that time it was smart of me to think the way i was thinking
On November 18 2010 11:05 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 11:03 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry
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PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...
rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Now your changing your reasoning, you said he wasn't confirmed. And why in the world would mafia RNG. wait i changed my reasoning? he wasnt confirmed. confirmed = 100%. there was still a chance the real detective didnt want to fall in the mafia trap. i feel like we are just going around in circle now because you can't bring anything up other than little meaningless changes(which are actually just different wording) in my arguments Again, LSB WAS 100% confirmed.Name one instance he could not be. lets say he claimed, the real stork didnt want to claim incase he would fall in a mafia trap, he could have been mafia
Why would anyone not claim because of this?
On November 18 2010 11:14 Glasse wrote:
i said why i didnt protect him before, and it was because there was a chance he was not real stork, which is true, and if he was, he would probably not be targetted ANYWAY. you can't deny that unless you use dumb flawed logic, which you are trying to do, because you are desperate.
Again, previously he said he only did it because "lsb was not confirmed."
And then he's also been pushing to lynch coag(well, really LSB was.) But here's where I think it really was just a plan for glasse to get to late stage.
Let's see the scenario:
Coag(mafia)
Glasse(mafia)
Pandain
LSB
KtheZ
Now, he could've done one of two things.
1.Push to get me lynched.
But never voted for me. And this would be hard to do since I got the truth on my side.
2.Get Coag lynched, hit LSB. Now he is "basically confirmed" and can probably get me lynched.
This is alot like what happened with me in insane mafia. But note this analysis, how it shows otherwise. This option was actually the smart one to do.
protecting myself was my plan to get into late stage as well, it was much better than rng to pick my shrink target. you, however, could not have protected himself so you protected lsb
Now, let's see coag's performance here.
On November 18 2010 12:34 Coagulation wrote:
ok you guys i cant fucking believe glasse is manipulating the shit out of this and you guys are all hook line and sinker to buy his bullshit.
fuck that. dont fucking let him push this bullshit on me.
he has been hiding all fucking game not contributing a fucking thing to town.
now all of a sudden he comes out and decides to fucking push a lynch on me. yeah sure fucking thing glasse. sorry to disappoint you buddy but your the one thats scum not me.
Does this really sound sincere? To me it sounds setup. Obviously this is wifom but informed wifom.
thats how coag plays, it was a setup, made up by you and him to hopefully get me lynched, then you both proceded to team up on me
On November 18 2010 12:51 Glasse wrote:
medic is pandain and pandain is mafia, i hate those arguments when the 2 mafia are teaming up against me because i cant prove i'm flash other than hoping people dont believe mafia's flawed logic
wait i just realized something
notice how both of our suspects are teaming up on me.
Tries to link me and coag when I pointed out coag was 100% mafia(before he was killed, so why would i do that if we were scum buddies.)
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because you explained that very well earlier, its done often in mafia games apparently... i didnt know that though so now i need to really watch for it
yay im done for now! going through tons of quotes and stuff can get very confusing at time :3 its the first time i answer one of those pandain desperate analysis
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oops, i fucked it up, well all i said was in red text :3
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let's look at lsb's thoughts
[QUOTE]On November 18 2010 10:09 LSB wrote:
Things I know.
LSB night two: Pandain visited me night 1
LSB night two: Kenpachi visited Artanis and Pandain
Mafia action night 1: Hit Artanis
Mafia action Night 2: Kill Artanis. Kenpachi converts Pandain.
Things that were claimed
Coagulation: Save LSB night 2
Pandain: Shrink, save self night 2
Glasse: Shrink, save LSB night 2
KtheZ: Bulletproof.
pandain goes against his very own strong argument that shrink should never protect himself?
Case 2: Only Kenpachi used conversion. Pandain is lying
However, Pandain visited me night one. That means that he is doctor.
Then Coag would be lying
Solution: Lynch Coagulation Day 2, Lynch Pandain Day 3.
pandain did visit you night 1 as doctor, because coag was lying
Case 3: Only Kenpachi used conversion. Glasse is lying
If Pandain is telling the truth, Glasse is the only mafia left.
Solution 1: Lynch Glasse
well coag was red so this doesnt apply
[QUOTE]On November 18 2010 10:30 LSB wrote:
After Coag gets lynched. What happens?
Coag is Maifa: This mean that Pandain is also mafia. Lynch him day 3
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yep
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oh my fucking god i suck at quoting and stuff :3, going to eat. ill be back in a lil bit
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[QUOTE]On November 19 2010 05:21 Pandain wrote:
Why Glasse's claim of shrink does not fit(Also an Analysis of his posts)
Summary: glasse has not played pro town this game. He has offered poor advice, has played scummily, made contradictions, and says to have performed actions which simply do not make sense. Dr. H was right when he pinned Glasse/kenpachi as the mafia team. I urge you to read this post, and not just skim it, as I bring up very good points here.
His Posts:
[QUOTE]On November 12 2010 21:01 Glasse wrote:
Sup, i'm finally unbanned (longest 2 days ever)
I feel like the doctor and the other thing that can protect shouldnt roleclaim. Not yet at least :3
So many bad things can happen :3[/QUOTE]
First post and it already bodes ill for him. Note his relunctance to roleclaim. Now, its obvious he feels that doctors/shrinks shouldn't roleclaim, because bad things can happen. Yet he claims he's shrink almost immediately after I reveal I'm shrink. That doesn't add up.
Also note he calls shrink "that other thing." doesn't he know the role if he is it?
Obviously i fucking instantly roleclaimed, i felt like the fact that everyone thought he was confirmed because no one counter claimed would of worked my way, i instantly posted when i saw your comment because i was excited we confirmed a mafia member. Also, an easy way to make people think i'm not flash is to not even know how to call it
So then
1.Why would you thought another person wouldn't have claimed when LSB did(thus confirming him
2.But here you said they shouldn't, you at the very least showed strong relunctance to roleclaim. But merely one minute later you roleclaim, showing no hesitation.
[QUOTE]On November 13 2010 00:42 Glasse wrote:
wait so if i get this right, mafia gets a free kp on night 1 and basically the medic/shrink/whatever will have to randomly guess who to protect?
did i get that wrong?
sounds kinda silly[/QUOTE]
Clarifies rules.
[QUOTE]On November 13 2010 05:48 Glasse wrote:
what if that's what he want to he can convert, not die and then mafia has 3 ppl after night 1. :3
typing with this new keyboard feels so awesome
happy cat is happy look at him!
:3[/QUOTE]
First post against LSB(who has been revealed Town tracker.) Says that he could just be really a mafia who fake claimed tracker(despite the fact if the real tracker claimed that plan would be ruined.) So this statement is very leaning towards anti town, especially since LSB has already said he's confirmed because no other tracker has claimed. Ends with spam.
So you are avoiding my whole argument i did with you a couple pages ago to point this out AGAIN because it can help you in a way. No, he was not 100% confirmed and i explained why before. If the real detective didnt want to claim yet incase he would die and/or cause chaos to town
I'm not avoiding your argument. I'm pointint out inconsitincies. Like here you disagree with the previous post. In the case where you were a real shrink, why would you immediately claim if you caught a fake claim(hypothetical me), yet think that this person wouldn't?
And why would it matter if he dies if he caught a mafia
[QUOTE]On November 13 2010 05:55 Glasse wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 12 2010 12:09 Coagulation wrote:
5. Glasse
Posting quality and town contribution fluctuates based on his roles he receives
if hes got a role hes not happy with hes pretty bad
if hes got a decent role he contributes alot
[/QUOTE]
i played 2 games total you can't really base yourself on that[/QUOTE]
Later says its obvious he always role claims fast, which contradicts as mentioned previously and with this statement.
i like how you only remember things that helps you try to down me lol. the way i post and myself roleclaiming fast don't really mean the same thing, Also i wanted to be jaedong, fuck flash :3
of course i do, because then I can find mafia.
[QUOTE]On November 13 2010 11:56 Glasse wrote:
i feel like this is going nowhere right now :3
we need to do stuff if we wanna stop them from convincing everyone to touch childrens inapropriately[/QUOTE]
And this doesn't help :/
[QUOTE]On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote:
i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3
doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well[/QUOTE]
VERY ANTI TOWN. First, as already noted, shrink had to have protected LSB because he was confirmed, and tracker. Note that Glasse's claimed reason for not protecting LSB was that "he was not confirmed." Going further, why would Glasse protect himself? Did he really think he was in danger of being MCed?
Furthormore, he now claims this proves he DID protect himself night one. However, all it really proves is that he has been anti town in his "shrink" actions. So that doesn't even add up.
In addition having the doctor rng was a very bad idea. Mafia, as long as their not dumb, will never rng. Kills always have a purpose. Even worse, having the doctor RNG was even worse(doesn't protect LSB[wtf], can protect mafia, doesn't use noggin).
bringing this up again, jesus fucking christ, i explained it earlier in my answers. he was not 100% confirmed, i was not necessarily in danger of getting mc'd i just thought it'd be a better choice to keep myself as town instead of another random person that could have ended up being mafia as well. Also you really like to press on that "rng is dumb for doctor" because you really thought about it AS YOU WERE THE DOCTOR AT THAT POINT and disagree with me on that point\
Same point as above. But again, why would you be in danger of being Mced? And if you protected a mafia, nothing bad would happen. And you weren't going to die(unless mafia were extra weird for some reason), so why would you protect yourself?
I don't have to be doctor to now that a doctor rnging his protection is pretty anti town.
[QUOTE]On November 15 2010 01:15 Glasse wrote:
i wonder if mafia will try to hit the more experienced ppl
or maybe we should lynch the most experienced ppl because they can manipulate easier [/QUOTE]
Says to lynch the expierenced people....
yea, the reason why i said it is true, i wouldnt want to lynch you early because your abilities to analyse suck
I caught kenpachi...caught you
[QUOTE]On November 15 2010 10:18 Glasse wrote:
can you really vote for no one?
also i would not do that, it makes it much easier to manipulate a vote for mafia if over half of the town doesnt even vote[/QUOTE]
says he is against not voting.
of course, 2 kills per mafia a night is fucking dangerous, i'd rather take a chance and maybe catch one. and if you look, i voted kenpachi which ended up being an actual mafia
This wasn't accusing you actually lol. This was actually something pro town that you did!
[QUOTE]On November 15 2010 21:05 Glasse wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 15 2010 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 15 2010 12:17 Pandain wrote:
I knew I would regret it.
Yet now if i withdraw vote I look scummy
But again, who else do you think is a good lynch?[/QUOTE]
well
you look like scum to me
coagulation is our worst player
i don't trust glasse's inactivity and iirc he made a kinda bad scummy post on me but that could have been in kingmaker, i don't exactly remember[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On November 15 2010 12:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
glasse wasn't even in kingmaker so it was in this game[/QUOTE]
what? where?
Also coag, you're asking for it.. i was planning on being quiet but helpful, now i must unleash the derp.
Also, going to vote for a lurker
##Vote: Kenpachi
Can we get an official vote count?[/QUOTE]
Goes against previous statement, votes for Kenpachi. Now, this may seem very "pro town" at first, seeing as kenpachi later turned out to be scum. But let's go in detail about this vote, and why in reality it put kenpachi in no danger. At that time, that was the very first vote for kenpachi. THE VERY FIRST VOTE. The votes to lynch no one was ahead by two votes, and doctor h had two votes. I was the only one who had to vote. Mafia go against other mafia all the time to lend town cred for later stages of the game. Ace did it hardcore against me in insane mafia, as well as RoL. Rather than take the actions at face value, what you have to do is go beyond and see what they really meant. As in, did they have any true effect? This vote, at that time, did not. It was merely giving him "brownie points" when really kenpachi was in no real danger.
Now, glasse never posted after this vote. I think it's a safe assumption to assume he did not come back until at least after I voted for kenpachi(which it was still safe for kenpachi.) Kenpachi was never in any real danger, therefore glasse's vote for him does not confirm him.
wait how the fuck am i going against my previous statement, i was AGAINST voting for no one. Also 21h KST is around when i usually leave for college i think, so thats why i came back later
maybe he wasnt in real danger, that's true, but he could have been as i left after i voted and it could have ended badly
My bad, I concede. Still, that really wasn't a main point. Now respond to the other 10 contradictions. Now your appealing to speculation, "well...maybe..." is common argument for scum when their lying.
[QUOTE]On November 16 2010 10:10 Glasse wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam.[/QUOTE]
Yea, because obviously me trying to get him lynched hes my teamate
[QUOTE]On November 16 2010 07:27 LSB wrote:
Youngminii, please shoot glasse or Kenpachi. They're kinof inactive.[/QUOTE]
i can start spamming instead of posting constructive comments every once in a while if you want, i thought people were mad at my super cat powers in insane mafia...
i just don't feel like letting everyone know my thoughts on EVERYTHING all the time...
if it bothers you so much i'll do it[/QUOTE]
Already adressed as glasse hardly tried to get kenpachi lynched. Says he doesn't want people to know what he's thinking(what).
i thought what drh said in insane mafia was true, telling everything you know to everyone can often harm the town more than it can help
But not at all?
[QUOTE]On November 16 2010 10:14 Glasse wrote:
i just dont have anything important to say :3
SORRY![/QUOTE]
Apologizing for not contributing. Again, note that this is how I caught kenpachi(in addition to other things.) This just reeks of inherent guilt, apologizing for not contributing.
yea, i felt bad for not helping the town, if you really thought what you just said is true you would have said it earlier, not now where you desperatly need to prove i'm mafia to get your mafia win. I WONT FUCKING LET YOU WIN TWICE IN A ROW and if i was mafia you could be 100% sure i would have fucking killed you night 1 because i hate you
Again, if you felt bad why didn't you help? And what are you talking about, this is the first time I'm really analyzing you, and trust me, town is gonna win this one.
[QUOTE]On November 16 2010 10:25 Glasse wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote:
What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument?[/QUOTE]
i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. [/QUOTE]
Now, this does mean something. What's happening right now? YM is dead, and he was going to either (in most liklihood) shoot kenpachi or Dr. H. Now, glasse finally comes in, and puts suscipcion on dr. h. So this actually DOES mean something. Also note dr. h was town.
yea, i dont remember drh posting posts as big as this one before to prove a point that could have been proven in a much shorter way, i thought he was trying to hide something, which i also explained later
Because by posting alot, your hiding something. I see. *sacrcasm*
[QUOTE]On November 16 2010 23:07 Glasse wrote:
honestly i would've hit kenpachi :3
this sucks[/QUOTE]
Alright, wtf. why didn't you say this before. Now, I now previously you were responding to how you felt about me vs dr. h, but seriously this kind of stuff is important. Also note this is AFTER Dr. H was already shot, so he can say whatever he says he "felt" really :/.
what i said about drh wasnt a fucking accusation, it was a suspicion, my vote was still on kenpachi because he was lurking way 2 much
Of course, why would you outright accuse him. You can be scum and lay suscipcion on someone without actually accusing them. Stop taking my points, and taking them to the extreme so their not true. And btw this was after YM was already lynched, so kenpachi vote didn't matter
[QUOTE]On November 17 2010 23:41 Glasse wrote:
wait kenpachi commited suicide but artanis isnt red now?
YES someone got protected by flash![/QUOTE]
Yes, and it wasn't you. Note that this really just shows he's not flash, that that was just a spur of the moment decision to combat my claim as flash. Note that how would this work since he claims he protected LSB night two. Doesn't add up.
nope, no one was protected by flash, as it was also explained to me later, lsb found out that you were visited. i thought kenpachi had suicided on lsb at first, so i was really fucking happy.
There's no way to prove whether or not this is true so I'll leave it at that.
[QUOTE]On November 18 2010 04:34 Glasse wrote:
we cant leave pandain alive, he could just sacrifice himself then we lose track of everything.[/QUOTE]
Again, if he's flash couldn't he protect from the "evil pandain?" Also note he hasn't voted for me either, so he's saying and not doing.
herp derp durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i don't have 100% chance to pick the same target as mafia with my shrink
Again, taking it to the extreme. If you were telling the truth, why not just have LSB track me, and if I was mafia, you could see who i Mced.
[QUOTE]On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote:
ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.
kthez or coag are mafia[/QUOTE]
Claims he's flash.
[QUOTE]On November 18 2010 06:20 Glasse wrote:
i protected myself night 1 and lsb night 2.[/QUOTE]
Now let's analyze these choices. Now, obviously protecting himself night one for the reasons he did was very anti town. And why would he protect LSB if he was still unsure of his alignment? In addition, why would he protect himself night one.
1.Did he really think mafia would try to sacrifice one of their own to get him?(you might be pretty decent but your not incognito or something)
2.Did he really think HE was more likely to get Mced than LSB, or even Artanis/Dr. H?(or i, but I'm not as amazing)
These choices just don't fit.
night 1 wasnt anti town, i explained it many times
i realize stuff while im typing a post and i realized lsb still wasnt 100% and i had protected him, which could've been bad
oh and about night 2, i really thought about shrinking artanis instead of lsb, because they are both good and i ended up picking lsb
It was anti town. Respond to the core argument, you were in no danger, so why would you protect yourself. And now you admit your second protection was bad(even though it was actually good since LSB WAS confirmed, see earlier. The last sentence is irrelevant.
[QUOTE]On November 18 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 18 2010 06:20 Pandain wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote:
ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.
kthez or coag are mafia[/QUOTE]
And we caught the second mafia.
[/QUOTE]
yea, kthez or coag
maybe even lsb... his claim could be fake :3 crap[/QUOTE]
This doesn't fit either. So he isn't sure of LSB's alignment even now(yet protected him the previous night), and thinks he found a mafia(me) because of what LSB(who he doesn't know is confirmed) says? Sorry if that's worded weird. But furthormore, LSB is obviously confirmed.
o hai i just answered this, sometimes i realize stuff while im posting, or right after
a bit after i also realized there was no way he wasnt detective
Respond above.
[QUOTE]On November 18 2010 06:23 Glasse wrote:
facepalm, please dont believe him :3
who cares if i went against the town consensus, i thought i should protect myself until i know more and not chance having mafia get 3 because their sacrifice didnt actually die[/QUOTE]
Thus begins his great "proof" of being shrink, that you guys shouldn't believe me. The second sentence, read it. "Who cares if I went against the town consensus". That is a VERY mafia-esque statement. going furthor, here he reveals he didn't protect LSB because he didn't think LSB was town(at the very least not neccesarily).
[QUOTE]On November 18 2010 08:42 Glasse wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 18 2010 06:30 LSB wrote:
-maintains radio silence-
Keep a clean thread for the final day please
(I tracked Pandain)[/QUOTE]
(did he leave his house?)[/QUOTE]
Why would you have to ask this if your the real shrink? If you were real(and thus I fake), you would already know.
because if you didnt leave your house, you were bulletproof (which kthez is) and if you did leave, you were doctor (and you are), at that point i was making my list that i posted shortly after
Would it matter if I was mafia?
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On November 19 2010 07:04 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 05:21 Pandain wrote:Why Glasse's claim of shrink does not fit(Also an Analysis of his posts)Summary: glasse has not played pro town this game. He has offered poor advice, has played scummily, made contradictions, and says to have performed actions which simply do not make sense. Dr. H was right when he pinned Glasse/kenpachi as the mafia team. I urge you to read this post, and not just skim it, as I bring up very good points here.
His Posts:On November 12 2010 21:01 Glasse wrote:
Sup, i'm finally unbanned (longest 2 days ever)
I feel like the doctor and the other thing that can protect shouldnt roleclaim. Not yet at least :3
So many bad things can happen :3 First post and it already bodes ill for him. Note his relunctance to roleclaim. Now, its obvious he feels that doctors/shrinks shouldn't roleclaim, because bad things can happen. Yet he claims he's shrink almost immediately after I reveal I'm shrink. That doesn't add up. Also note he calls shrink "that other thing." doesn't he know the role if he is it? Obviously i fucking instantly roleclaimed, i felt like the fact that everyone thought he was confirmed because no one counter claimed would of worked my way, i instantly posted when i saw your comment because i was excited we confirmed a mafia member. Also, an easy way to make people think i'm not flash is to not even know how to call it So then
1.Why would you thought another person wouldn't have claimed when LSB did(thus confirming him
2.But here you said they shouldn't, you at the very least showed strong relunctance to roleclaim. But merely one minute later you roleclaim, showing no hesitation. On November 13 2010 00:42 Glasse wrote:
wait so if i get this right, mafia gets a free kp on night 1 and basically the medic/shrink/whatever will have to randomly guess who to protect?
did i get that wrong?
sounds kinda silly Clarifies rules. On November 13 2010 05:48 Glasse wrote:
what if that's what he want to he can convert, not die and then mafia has 3 ppl after night 1. :3
typing with this new keyboard feels so awesome
happy cat is happy look at him!
:3 First post against LSB(who has been revealed Town tracker.) Says that he could just be really a mafia who fake claimed tracker(despite the fact if the real tracker claimed that plan would be ruined.) So this statement is very leaning towards anti town, especially since LSB has already said he's confirmed because no other tracker has claimed. Ends with spam. So you are avoiding my whole argument i did with you a couple pages ago to point this out AGAIN because it can help you in a way. No, he was not 100% confirmed and i explained why before. If the real detective didnt want to claim yet incase he would die and/or cause chaos to town I'm not avoiding your argument. I'm pointint out inconsitincies. Like here you disagree with the previous post. In the case where you were a real shrink, why would you immediately claim if you caught a fake claim(hypothetical me), yet think that this person wouldn't?
And why would it matter if he dies if he caught a mafia On November 13 2010 05:55 Glasse wrote:On November 12 2010 12:09 Coagulation wrote:
5. Glasse
Posting quality and town contribution fluctuates based on his roles he receives
if hes got a role hes not happy with hes pretty bad
if hes got a decent role he contributes alot
i played 2 games total you can't really base yourself on that Later says its obvious he always role claims fast, which contradicts as mentioned previously and with this statement. i like how you only remember things that helps you try to down me lol. the way i post and myself roleclaiming fast don't really mean the same thing, Also i wanted to be jaedong, fuck flash :3 of course i do, because then I can find mafia. On November 13 2010 11:56 Glasse wrote:
i feel like this is going nowhere right now :3
we need to do stuff if we wanna stop them from convincing everyone to touch childrens inapropriately And this doesn't help :/ On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote:
i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3
doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well VERY ANTI TOWN. First, as already noted, shrink had to have protected LSB because he was confirmed, and tracker. Note that Glasse's claimed reason for not protecting LSB was that "he was not confirmed." Going further, why would Glasse protect himself? Did he really think he was in danger of being MCed? Furthormore, he now claims this proves he DID protect himself night one. However, all it really proves is that he has been anti town in his "shrink" actions. So that doesn't even add up. In addition having the doctor rng was a very bad idea. Mafia, as long as their not dumb, will never rng. Kills always have a purpose. Even worse, having the doctor RNG was even worse(doesn't protect LSB[wtf], can protect mafia, doesn't use noggin). bringing this up again, jesus fucking christ, i explained it earlier in my answers. he was not 100% confirmed, i was not necessarily in danger of getting mc'd i just thought it'd be a better choice to keep myself as town instead of another random person that could have ended up being mafia as well. Also you really like to press on that "rng is dumb for doctor" because you really thought about it AS YOU WERE THE DOCTOR AT THAT POINT and disagree with me on that point\ Same point as above. But again, why would you be in danger of being Mced? And if you protected a mafia, nothing bad would happen. And you weren't going to die(unless mafia were extra weird for some reason), so why would you protect yourself?
I don't have to be doctor to now that a doctor rnging his protection is pretty anti town. On November 15 2010 01:15 Glasse wrote:i wonder if mafia will try to hit the more experienced ppl or maybe we should lynch the most experienced ppl because they can manipulate easier Says to lynch the expierenced people.... yea, the reason why i said it is true, i wouldnt want to lynch you early because your abilities to analyse suck I caught kenpachi...caught you On November 15 2010 10:18 Glasse wrote:
can you really vote for no one?
also i would not do that, it makes it much easier to manipulate a vote for mafia if over half of the town doesnt even vote says he is against not voting. of course, 2 kills per mafia a night is fucking dangerous, i'd rather take a chance and maybe catch one. and if you look, i voted kenpachi which ended up being an actual mafia This wasn't accusing you actually lol. This was actually something pro town that you did! On November 15 2010 21:05 Glasse wrote:On November 15 2010 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 15 2010 12:17 Pandain wrote:I knew I would regret it. Yet now if i withdraw vote I look scummy But again, who else do you think is a good lynch? well you look like scum to me coagulation is our worst player i don't trust glasse's inactivity and iirc he made a kinda bad scummy post on me but that could have been in kingmaker, i don't exactly remember On November 15 2010 12:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
glasse wasn't even in kingmaker so it was in this game what? where? Also coag, you're asking for it.. i was planning on being quiet but helpful, now i must unleash the derp. Also, going to vote for a lurker ##Vote: Kenpachi
Can we get an official vote count? Goes against previous statement, votes for Kenpachi. Now, this may seem very "pro town" at first, seeing as kenpachi later turned out to be scum. But let's go in detail about this vote, and why in reality it put kenpachi in no danger. At that time, that was the very first vote for kenpachi. THE VERY FIRST VOTE. The votes to lynch no one was ahead by two votes, and doctor h had two votes. I was the only one who had to vote. Mafia go against other mafia all the time to lend town cred for later stages of the game. Ace did it hardcore against me in insane mafia, as well as RoL. Rather than take the actions at face value, what you have to do is go beyond and see what they really meant. As in, did they have any true effect? This vote, at that time, did not. It was merely giving him "brownie points" when really kenpachi was in no real danger. Now, glasse never posted after this vote. I think it's a safe assumption to assume he did not come back until at least after I voted for kenpachi(which it was still safe for kenpachi.) Kenpachi was never in any real danger, therefore glasse's vote for him does not confirm him. wait how the fuck am i going against my previous statement, i was AGAINST voting for no one. Also 21h KST is around when i usually leave for college i think, so thats why i came back later
maybe he wasnt in real danger, that's true, but he could have been as i left after i voted and it could have ended badly My bad, I concede. Still, that really wasn't a main point. Now respond to the other 10 contradictions. Now your appealing to speculation, "well...maybe..." is common argument for scum when their lying. On November 16 2010 10:10 Glasse wrote:On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam. Yea, because obviously me trying to get him lynched hes my teamate On November 16 2010 07:27 LSB wrote:
Youngminii, please shoot glasse or Kenpachi. They're kinof inactive. i can start spamming instead of posting constructive comments every once in a while if you want, i thought people were mad at my super cat powers in insane mafia... i just don't feel like letting everyone know my thoughts on EVERYTHING all the time... if it bothers you so much i'll do it Already adressed as glasse hardly tried to get kenpachi lynched. Says he doesn't want people to know what he's thinking(what). i thought what drh said in insane mafia was true, telling everything you know to everyone can often harm the town more than it can help But not at all? On November 16 2010 10:14 Glasse wrote:
i just dont have anything important to say :3
SORRY! Apologizing for not contributing. Again, note that this is how I caught kenpachi(in addition to other things.) This just reeks of inherent guilt, apologizing for not contributing. yea, i felt bad for not helping the town, if you really thought what you just said is true you would have said it earlier, not now where you desperatly need to prove i'm mafia to get your mafia win. I WONT FUCKING LET YOU WIN TWICE IN A ROW and if i was mafia you could be 100% sure i would have fucking killed you night 1 because i hate you Again, if you felt bad why didn't you help? And what are you talking about, this is the first time I'm really analyzing you, and trust me, town is gonna win this one. On November 16 2010 10:25 Glasse wrote:On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote:
What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument? i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. Now, this does mean something. What's happening right now? YM is dead, and he was going to either (in most liklihood) shoot kenpachi or Dr. H. Now, glasse finally comes in, and puts suscipcion on dr. h. So this actually DOES mean something. Also note dr. h was town. yea, i dont remember drh posting posts as big as this one before to prove a point that could have been proven in a much shorter way, i thought he was trying to hide something, which i also explained later Because by posting alot, your hiding something. I see. *sacrcasm* On November 16 2010 23:07 Glasse wrote:
honestly i would've hit kenpachi :3
this sucks Alright, wtf. why didn't you say this before. Now, I now previously you were responding to how you felt about me vs dr. h, but seriously this kind of stuff is important. Also note this is AFTER Dr. H was already shot, so he can say whatever he says he "felt" really :/. what i said about drh wasnt a fucking accusation, it was a suspicion, my vote was still on kenpachi because he was lurking way 2 much Of course, why would you outright accuse him. You can be scum and lay suscipcion on someone without actually accusing them. Stop taking my points, and taking them to the extreme so their not true. And btw this was after YM was already lynched, so kenpachi vote didn't matter On November 17 2010 23:41 Glasse wrote:
wait kenpachi commited suicide but artanis isnt red now?
YES someone got protected by flash! Yes, and it wasn't you. Note that this really just shows he's not flash, that that was just a spur of the moment decision to combat my claim as flash. Note that how would this work since he claims he protected LSB night two. Doesn't add up. nope, no one was protected by flash, as it was also explained to me later, lsb found out that you were visited. i thought kenpachi had suicided on lsb at first, so i was really fucking happy. There's no way to prove whether or not this is true so I'll leave it at that. On November 18 2010 04:34 Glasse wrote:
we cant leave pandain alive, he could just sacrifice himself then we lose track of everything. Again, if he's flash couldn't he protect from the "evil pandain?" Also note he hasn't voted for me either, so he's saying and not doing. herp derp durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i don't have 100% chance to pick the same target as mafia with my shrink Again, taking it to the extreme. If you were telling the truth, why not just have LSB track me, and if I was mafia, you could see who i Mced. On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote:
ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.
kthez or coag are mafia Claims he's flash. On November 18 2010 06:20 Glasse wrote:
i protected myself night 1 and lsb night 2. Now let's analyze these choices. Now, obviously protecting himself night one for the reasons he did was very anti town. And why would he protect LSB if he was still unsure of his alignment? In addition, why would he protect himself night one. 1.Did he really think mafia would try to sacrifice one of their own to get him?(you might be pretty decent but your not incognito or something) 2.Did he really think HE was more likely to get Mced than LSB, or even Artanis/Dr. H?(or i, but I'm not as amazing) These choices just don't fit. night 1 wasnt anti town, i explained it many times
i realize stuff while im typing a post and i realized lsb still wasnt 100% and i had protected him, which could've been bad
oh and about night 2, i really thought about shrinking artanis instead of lsb, because they are both good and i ended up picking lsb It was anti town. Respond to the core argument, you were in no danger, so why would you protect yourself. And now you admit your second protection was bad(even though it was actually good since LSB WAS confirmed, see earlier. The last sentence is irrelevant. On November 18 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 06:20 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote:
ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.
kthez or coag are mafia And we caught the second mafia. yea, kthez or coag maybe even lsb... his claim could be fake :3 crap This doesn't fit either. So he isn't sure of LSB's alignment even now(yet protected him the previous night), and thinks he found a mafia(me) because of what LSB(who he doesn't know is confirmed) says? Sorry if that's worded weird. But furthormore, LSB is obviously confirmed. o hai i just answered this, sometimes i realize stuff while im posting, or right after
a bit after i also realized there was no way he wasnt detective Respond above. On November 18 2010 06:23 Glasse wrote:
facepalm, please dont believe him :3
who cares if i went against the town consensus, i thought i should protect myself until i know more and not chance having mafia get 3 because their sacrifice didnt actually die Thus begins his great "proof" of being shrink, that you guys shouldn't believe me. The second sentence, read it. "Who cares if I went against the town consensus". That is a VERY mafia-esque statement. going furthor, here he reveals he didn't protect LSB because he didn't think LSB was town(at the very least not neccesarily). On November 18 2010 08:42 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 06:30 LSB wrote:
-maintains radio silence-
Keep a clean thread for the final day please
(I tracked Pandain) (did he leave his house?) Why would you have to ask this if your the real shrink? If you were real(and thus I fake), you would already know. because if you didnt leave your house, you were bulletproof (which kthez is) and if you did leave, you were doctor (and you are), at that point i was making my list that i posted shortly after Would it matter if I was mafia?
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Decondou may I edit the above, all its doing is hurting the eyes now
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On November 19 2010 07:03 Glasse wrote:let's look at lsb's thoughts Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 10:09 LSB wrote:Things I know.LSB night two: Pandain visited me night 1 LSB night two: Kenpachi visited Artanis and Pandain Mafia action night 1: Hit Artanis Mafia action Night 2: Kill Artanis. Kenpachi converts Pandain. Things that were claimedCoagulation: Save LSB night 2 Pandain: Shrink, save self night 2 Glasse: Shrink, save LSB night 2 KtheZ: Bulletproof. pandain goes against his very own strong argument that shrink should never protect himself? I protected myself because
1.there was a chance I would be converted(got kenpachi)
2.LSB would probably be safe night two(not night one)
Case 2: Only Kenpachi used conversion. Pandain is lyingHowever, Pandain visited me night one. That means that he is doctor. Then Coag would be lying Solution: Lynch Coagulation Day 2, Lynch Pandain Day 3.pandain did visit you night 1 as doctor, because coag was lying Wrong. Coag was converted. Case 3: Only Kenpachi used conversion. Glasse is lyingIf Pandain is telling the truth, Glasse is the only mafia left. Solution 1: Lynch Glassewell coag was red so this doesnt apply Except again, you easily could've(and probably best to) convert coag, and you ended up getting saved by him as well. On November 18 2010 10:30 LSB wrote:
After Coag gets lynched. What happens?
Coag is Maifa: This mean that Pandain is also mafia. Lynch him day 3
yep
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LSB was wrong, and iirc later on we talked about the fact you could've converted coag and coag save you.
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On November 19 2010 07:09 Pandain wrote:
LSB was wrong, and iirc later on we talked about the fact you could've converted coag and coag save you.
-snip-
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iirc = if i recall correctly, not irc
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where is kthez, we need him here :3
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Ignore me thing. sry.
(Seriously, that acronom sucks)
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On November 19 2010 07:29 LSB wrote:
Ignore me thing. sry.
(Seriously, that acronom sucks)
Hehe, thats why I always use AFAIK.
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I'm almost 100% sure pandain is mafia, and there is basically nothing he can do to change my mind. Since LSB was telling the truth, it is so, SO obvious that pandain is mafia.
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So if coag has been mafia since day 1 (has to be, because kenpachi is the only mafia that died and/or converted someone). If someone else was converted as mafia without the mafia dieing there would be 2 mafia left, which would mean kthez is mafia. So logically, this means i am the real flash and you are lying, because kenpachi converted you, unless you and kthez are both mafia and are going to lynch me and win.
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so, fuck all those pointless arguments, if you go purely with logic, what i just said is 100% true.
if kthez is mafia, pandain is mafia and i lost
if kthez is town, i'm town, pandain is mafia and we win
if pandain and i are both mafia, we would of ended it, because there would be no point in mindless arguments
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are you reading kthez? lets end this and win :3
##vote pandain
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On November 19 2010 08:51 Glasse wrote:
are you reading kthez? lets end this and win :3
##vote pandain
do you see what he's doing?
He doesn't want to keep debate going, he wants you to vote quickly before you can reason.
for the love of god wait this whole thing out
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##vote pandain
Its ridiculously obvious its your pandain; unless mafia has some weird bus role that we do not know about, or if LSB lied to us, which is most likely not, it is you.
I dont understand why we would even want to keep this debate going, its obviously you
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On November 19 2010 07:47 KtheZ wrote:
I'm almost 100% sure pandain is mafia, and there is basically nothing he can do to change my mind. Since LSB was telling the truth, it is so, SO obvious that pandain is mafia.
How does that prove I'm mafia?
Again, I'm shrink. Because I claimed, Glasse had to counter claim. But he's been making so many contradictions/fallacies that its easy to point out, such as:
1.protecting himself when he was in no danger
2.lack of content on issues non relating to him(why should he care otherwise, he just wants town to kill each other)
3.many verbal slip ups
4.Logical fallacies used to create distrust
-"LSB Isn't confirmed"-says its because people might be scared to counter roleclaim. but again, if he's telling the truth, he claimed almost immediately, so contradiction here.
-Dr. H is hiding something by making large posts
Seriously it's pretty obvious. Don't give in to the bandwagon.
In no way does LSB incriminate me. Nothing he has said incriminates me.
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If I had voted, town would have lost.
Don't be retarded. That's strong language, and I mean it.
Right now its retarded to vote so easily, and again, without even giving me a chance.
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Seriously I'm tired of this. Glasse has been making all this crap up about how LSB incriminates me, how I'm certainly mafia but won't say how. Seriously, how am I mafia?
Because he tracked kenpachi to me?
BUT IM FRICKIN SHRINK, WHICH IS WHY WHEN LSB TRACKED ME I VISITED HIM, LIKE SHRINKS WERE SUPPOSED TO
but of course glasse didn't, because "lsb wasn't confirmed(wtf)".
And of course glasse protected him night two , which he has even admitted now was a bad move.
Seriously, use reason guys. Wtf.
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Kenpachi was tracked to you when he committed suicide. Its you.
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On November 19 2010 09:55 KtheZ wrote:
Kenpachi was tracked to you when he committed suicide. Its you.
I protected myself. I'm shrink.
I survived.
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On November 19 2010 07:47 KtheZ wrote:
I'm almost 100% sure pandain is mafia, and there is basically nothing he can do to change my mind. Since LSB was telling the truth, it is so, SO obvious that pandain is mafia.
Seriously wtf is this. You're not open at all? Seriously?
Do you realize that glasse has not done any analysis on me.
That he has not laid any reasons why I'm mafia(I'm still waiting)
While I have, and you know what his defense is?
"I just played poorly"
"wifom wifom wifom"
"I'm flash, so your lying, because I'm flash."
HE HAS NO REASONS
There's a point when there's valid defense, and then there's a point where its just obvious he's trying to find any way out. He claims his vote for kenpachi proves his innocence, when really kenpachi was never in any danger.
And now, by lynching coag, he somehow has proven(BUT HASNT) that I'm mafia. BUT ALL IT PROVES IS THAT GLASSE IS MAFIA.
Why the frick would coag vote me so fast anyway if we were scumbuddies?
Why would I say he was 100% mafia before he died?
If you look, this just doesn't add up. And I'm frickin tired of this.
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I hope your silence is indicative that you just simply haven't read thread to realize I'm shrink, because as you stand I'm really pissed.
i need to go calm down.
I want your reasons why you think I'm mafia, any reasons at all.
I haven't heard any.
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Alright, I'm a bit more calm.
So, I'll just ask this simple question.
Why am I more likely mafia than Glasse?
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wait pandain are you ignoring the 100% proof that i posted earlier that points at you?
just vote for someone so this game can end. you're trapped
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On November 19 2010 10:20 Glasse wrote:
wait pandain are you ignoring the 100% proof that i posted earlier that points at you?
just vote for someone so this game can end. you're trapped
stop spouting random bs and back it up.
I'm calling you out now, hard.
Lay out here, right now, why I'm "100% proof mafia"
I gurantee you'll fail.
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On November 19 2010 07:51 Glasse wrote:
So if coag has been mafia since day 1 (has to be, because kenpachi is the only mafia that died and/or converted someone). If someone else was converted as mafia without the mafia dieing there would be 2 mafia left, which would mean kthez is mafia. So logically, this means i am the real flash and you are lying, because kenpachi converted you, unless you and kthez are both mafia and are going to lynch me and win.
On November 19 2010 08:10 Glasse wrote:
so, fuck all those pointless arguments, if you go purely with logic, what i just said is 100% true.
if kthez is mafia, pandain is mafia and i lost
if kthez is town, i'm town, pandain is mafia and we win
if pandain and i are both mafia, we would of ended it, because there would be no point in mindless arguments
?
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On November 19 2010 10:22 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 07:51 Glasse wrote:
So if coag has been mafia since day 1 (has to be, because kenpachi is the only mafia that died and/or converted someone). If someone else was converted as mafia without the mafia dieing there would be 2 mafia left, which would mean kthez is mafia. So logically, this means i am the real flash and you are lying, because kenpachi converted you, unless you and kthez are both mafia and are going to lynch me and win. Of course. Straight out of ace's scum guide. "It's not about what the truth is, its what you can make people believe". used by caller in his fake role, used by me and ace in insane mafia, and used by you now. you converted coag. coag protected you Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 08:10 Glasse wrote:
so, fuck all those pointless arguments, if you go purely with logic, what i just said is 100% true.
if kthez is mafia, pandain is mafia and i lost
if kthez is town, i'm town, pandain is mafia and we win
if pandain and i are both mafia, we would of ended it, because there would be no point in mindless arguments ?
Doesn't apply because you're mafia.
Next?
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On November 19 2010 10:22 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 07:51 Glasse wrote:
So if coag has been mafia since day 1 (has to be, because kenpachi is the only mafia that died and/or converted someone). If someone else was converted as mafia without the mafia dieing there would be 2 mafia left, which would mean kthez is mafia. So logically, this means i am the real flash and you are lying, because kenpachi converted you, unless you and kthez are both mafia and are going to lynch me and win. Of course. Straight out of ace's scum guide.
"It's not about what the truth is, its what you can make people believe".
used by caller in his fake role, used by me and ace in insane mafia, and used by you now.
you converted coag. coag protected youShow nested quote +On November 19 2010 08:10 Glasse wrote:
so, fuck all those pointless arguments, if you go purely with logic, what i just said is 100% true.
if kthez is mafia, pandain is mafia and i lost
if kthez is town, i'm town, pandain is mafia and we win
if pandain and i are both mafia, we would of ended it, because there would be no point in mindless arguments doesn't apply therefore ?
red for response
Next?
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On November 19 2010 10:05 Pandain wrote:
I hope your silence is indicative that you just simply haven't read thread to realize I'm shrink, because as you stand I'm really pissed.
i need to go calm down.
I want your reasons why you think I'm mafia, any reasons at all.
I haven't heard any.
You have a major fallacy in your arguement.
If kenpachi had tried to convert you and you protected yourself, OBVIOUSLY there would be one mafia left.
Since we lynched coag and one mafia IS left, its obviously you.
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On November 19 2010 10:27 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 10:05 Pandain wrote:
I hope your silence is indicative that you just simply haven't read thread to realize I'm shrink, because as you stand I'm really pissed.
i need to go calm down.
I want your reasons why you think I'm mafia, any reasons at all.
I haven't heard any. You have a major fallacy in your arguement. If kenpachi had tried to convert you and you protected yourself, OBVIOUSLY there would be one mafia left. Since we lynched coag and one mafia IS left, its obviously you.
ITS FRICKIN GLASSE
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ace has a scum guide?
lets see, i started as mafia, i converted coag, that means coag was medic, but he wasnt because he wasnt the mafia sea when he died, the only possibility left is that you are medic and i'm flash, while you got converted.
i don't need to argue with you because you can't deny my logic
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On November 19 2010 10:28 Glasse wrote:
ace has a scum guide?
lets see, i started as mafia, i converted coag, that means coag was medic, but he wasnt because he wasnt the mafia sea when he died, the only possibility left is that you are medic and i'm flash, while you got converted.
i don't need to argue with you because you can't deny my logic
"I don't need to argue with you because my logic is undeniable"
except its fucking not.
Seriously, its like I'm having to convince two mafia to vote their fellow mafia. wtf is this.
Coag was doctor, haven't you realized that?
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On November 19 2010 10:29 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 10:28 Glasse wrote:
ace has a scum guide?
lets see, i started as mafia, i converted coag, that means coag was medic, but he wasnt because he wasnt the mafia sea when he died, the only possibility left is that you are medic and i'm flash, while you got converted.
i don't need to argue with you because you can't deny my logic "I don't need to argue with you because my logic is undeniable" except its fucking not. Seriously, its like I'm having to convince two mafia to vote their fellow mafia. wtf is this. Coag was doctor, haven't you realized that?
It clearly said coagulation the yazuka and not coagulation the yazuka medic
and its true, i don't need to argue with you because anything you can pull out of your ass will be denyable
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On November 19 2010 10:31 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 10:29 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:28 Glasse wrote:
ace has a scum guide?
lets see, i started as mafia, i converted coag, that means coag was medic, but he wasnt because he wasnt the mafia sea when he died, the only possibility left is that you are medic and i'm flash, while you got converted.
i don't need to argue with you because you can't deny my logic "I don't need to argue with you because my logic is undeniable" except its fucking not. Seriously, its like I'm having to convince two mafia to vote their fellow mafia. wtf is this. Coag was doctor, haven't you realized that? It clearly said coagulation the yazuka and not coagulation the yazuka medic and its true, i don't need to argue with you because anything you can pull out of your ass will be denyable
It doesn't say if its yazuka or yazuka medic....
There, your lies are now revealed.
KtheZ, there is no way to tell who's mafia between me and glasse except through cold hard analysis.
And I will repeat, there is nothing on me. While everything is on glasse. Glasse has just been making up stuff, leaving out information, and previous actions pin him as scum.
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I seriously don't see how you believe a guy who has to resort to "not arguing because your arguments are bad".
Isn't it obvious he just can't respond? Hell, he hasn't even responded to my response to his "defense" which was hardly one.
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If i was mafia i would of ended it by converting someone else last night because i would be one of the originals, which didnt happen since coag was the actual first mafia, as i previously said, and he died. Leaving me as flash and you, as mafia
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On November 19 2010 10:34 Pandain wrote:
I seriously don't see how you believe a guy who has to resort to "not arguing because your arguments are bad".
Isn't it obvious he just can't respond? Hell, he hasn't even responded to my response to his "defense" which was hardly one.
i'm not saying i dont need to argue because your arguments are bad, it's because my arguments are 100% undenyable, because you beat truth with lies when logic is involved
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KtheZ don't you see something wrong when he doesn't want time to debate and just wants votes quickly(so then I won't have time to explain)
Or when he keeps on claiming I'm "confirmed mafia" using fake situations.
Or when he continously claims he doesn't want to respond to my arguments because "they are bad", yet really hasn't said anything on me and its obvious he just doesn't want to get trapped further.
Or the fact he keeps spouting I'm "confirmed mafia" WHEN THERE IS NO REALLY NO 100% WAY OF FINDING THAT OUT.
Again, the only way to find out is through analysis. And I have nothing on me, while Glasse has everything on him.
Coagulation would have gained nothing when he voted me so fast if we were scumbuddies.
Glasse had everything to gain from voting coag.
Glasse had nothing to lose when voting kenpachi.
Glasse had everything to gain when laying suscipcion on dr. h when YM was deciding who to shoot
Glasse had nothing to loose when he claimed Kenpachi should have been shot, especially when he claims after.
I had nothing to gain from claiming coag was 100% mafia.
Glasse has everything to lose by ending debate abrubtly.
Glasse is mafia, realize it.
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On November 19 2010 10:37 Glasse wrote:
If i was mafia i would of ended it by converting someone else last night because i would be one of the originals, which didnt happen since coag was the actual first mafia, as i previously said, and he died. Leaving me as flash and you, as mafia
Except there was only a 50% chance you would succede since I could've stopped you.
And again, repeating it doesn't make it any more true when its a lie.
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if you protected someone i would be dead... because you know.. its a sacrifice. once again, me flash, you mafia
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On November 19 2010 10:37 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 10:34 Pandain wrote:
I seriously don't see how you believe a guy who has to resort to "not arguing because your arguments are bad".
Isn't it obvious he just can't respond? Hell, he hasn't even responded to my response to his "defense" which was hardly one. i'm not saying i dont need to argue because your arguments are bad, it's because my arguments are 100% undenyable, because you beat truth with lies when logic is involved
keep at it, then. Why not let debate happen?
Because you know your lying, and it will be revealed.
Which is why i'm frickin astounded why kthez wants to decide so early.
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On November 19 2010 10:40 Glasse wrote:
if you protected someone i would be dead... because you know.. its a sacrifice. once again, me flash, you mafia
LOL
Then we'd frickin win, cause you'd be dead.
some logic, eh?
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he's not retarded and he see through your fail arguments i guess. Kthez isnt dumb :3
aren't we debating right now? i'm pretty sure im easily denying anything you are saying right now
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On November 19 2010 10:42 Glasse wrote:
he's not retarded and he see through your fail arguments i guess. Kthez isnt dumb :3
aren't we debating right now? i'm pretty sure im easily denying anything you are saying right now
Your not debating anymore it seems.
Cause seriously, that's where the road ended. You can't deny that.
Your lie has ended.
So for the love of God, KtheZ, at least unvote me. I'm not even asking you to immediately vote glasse(that would also be retarded). I'm asking you to use your brain, and let debate happen.
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On November 19 2010 10:41 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 10:40 Glasse wrote:
if you protected someone i would be dead... because you know.. its a sacrifice. once again, me flash, you mafia LOL Then we'd frickin win, cause you'd be dead. some logic, eh?
durrrrrrrrr if i'm the last mafia alive and i sacrifice on someone that was protected i would be dead, or either kthez or you would be mafia as well, where the game would've ended already
it is logical no?
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i'll let him think about it, this is fun
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On November 19 2010 10:42 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 10:41 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:40 Glasse wrote:
if you protected someone i would be dead... because you know.. its a sacrifice. once again, me flash, you mafia LOL Then we'd frickin win, cause you'd be dead. some logic, eh? durrrrrrrrr if i'm the last mafia alive and i sacrifice on someone that was protected i would be dead, or either kthez or you would be mafia as well, where the game would've ended already it is logical no?
except I'm flash, so there was a 50% chance i would protect that person, and stop the conversion.
actually, I'm wrong(and so are you.)
You couldn't have won, because LSB was still alive. It would still be 2v1, but LSB would've tracked me/you, and found out you were the real mafia.
So that's why you had to kill him.
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you don't get it do you?
mafia has sacrifice + kill from what it seems, so i would've kiled lsb and sacrificed on either you or kthez, leading to either my death and the end of mafia, or either of you 2 being mafia with me right now, making the game over, because of 2v1 votes
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On November 19 2010 10:46 Glasse wrote:
you don't get it do you?
mafia has sacrifice + kill from what it seems, so i would've kiled lsb and sacrificed on either you or kthez, leading to either my death and the end of mafia, or either of you 2 being mafia with me right now, making the game over, because of 2v1 votes
Well then I'd still be right
50% chance you'd fail in conversion.
So stop spouting you could've automatically won, just like you've been spouting all this crap.
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you realize failed conversion = sacrifice(sacrifice means death) of the mafia right?
you are locked down and can't argue against it anymore, just claim mafia and end it
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On November 19 2010 10:49 Glasse wrote:
you realize failed conversion = sacrifice(sacrifice means death) of the mafia right?
you are locked down and can't argue against it anymore, just claim mafia and end it
Exactly.
SO YOU'D DIE.
MAFIA DEAD=WE WIN
I still can't believe you can say this and have kthez believe it.
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Keep trying to say that would mean you win though.
Just become more desperate and desperate
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yea, so i would've been dead LAST NIGHT
you are just herp derping right now because you can't think of anything else to try to bring me down
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On November 19 2010 10:50 Glasse wrote:
yea, so i would've been dead LAST NIGHT
you are just herp derping right now because you can't think of anything else to try to bring me down
LOL
IF YOU DIE
WE WIN
KtheZ, do you see what he's fucking doing?
He's saying he can die and still win.
I swear if he wins I will kill myself.
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wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense?
if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion.
therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game.
LOGIC SIR, LOGIC
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Man I've never felt so happy to have destroyed someone in debate.
KtheZ just frickin vote this guy.
there's times when debate is good,
and there's times when the debate on one side is saying you win if you lose.
His basis, his lie, has been unraveled.
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you did not destroy me, you got destroyed and are herp derping non sense right now desperately trying to get kthez to vote for me
?!
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On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:
wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense?
if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion.
therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game.
LOGIC SIR, LOGIC
And how was I converted?
Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known.
That's the only way that could happen.
Another slip, my friend.
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i was actually happy i won a debate easily, as i usually suck ass in them :O
using proven facts to back up a debate is so much easier than some dumb post analysis :D i need to do it in future games
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On November 19 2010 10:55 Glasse wrote:
you did not destroy me, you got destroyed and are herp derping non sense right now desperately trying to get kthez to vote for me
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keep trying.
just becoming more obvious by the second
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On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:
wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense?
if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion.
therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game.
LOGIC SIR, LOGIC And how was I converted? Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known. That's the only way that could happen. Another slip, my friend.
if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT?
Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die.
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Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die.
meant to bold this part :3
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On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:
wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense?
if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion.
therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game.
LOGIC SIR, LOGIC And how was I converted? Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known. That's the only way that could happen. Another slip, my friend. if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT? Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die.
Point taken.
However, then obviously no one was converted.
So you're still lying, eh?
Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about.
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On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:
wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense?
if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion.
therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game.
LOGIC SIR, LOGIC And how was I converted? Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known. That's the only way that could happen. Another slip, my friend. if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT? Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die. Point taken. However, then obviously no one was converted. So you're still lying, eh? Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about.
wait what? explain that last post please while i take the dogs outside 5 mins
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Because right now you just said you could've won.
Yet I think it's been proven that you didn't because if you tried to convert you had a decent chance of failure and just dying.
so whats your argument.
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On November 19 2010 10:38 Pandain wrote:
KtheZ don't you see something wrong when he doesn't want time to debate and just wants votes quickly(so then I won't have time to explain)
Or when he keeps on claiming I'm "confirmed mafia" using fake situations.
Or when he continously claims he doesn't want to respond to my arguments because "they are bad", yet really hasn't said anything on me and its obvious he just doesn't want to get trapped further.
Or the fact he keeps spouting I'm "confirmed mafia" WHEN THERE IS NO REALLY NO 100% WAY OF FINDING THAT OUT.
Again, the only way to find out is through analysis. And I have nothing on me, while Glasse has everything on him.
Coagulation would have gained nothing when he voted me so fast if we were scumbuddies.
Glasse had everything to gain from voting coag.
Glasse had nothing to lose when voting kenpachi.
Glasse had everything to gain when laying suscipcion on dr. h when YM was deciding who to shoot
Glasse had nothing to loose when he claimed Kenpachi should have been shot, especially when he claims after.
I had nothing to gain from claiming coag was 100% mafia.
Glasse has everything to lose by ending debate abrubtly.
Glasse is mafia, realize it.
I want to repost this.
in addition, you never responding to my response to your "defense"
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On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:
wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense?
if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion.
therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game.
LOGIC SIR, LOGIC And how was I converted? Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known. That's the only way that could happen. Another slip, my friend. if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT? Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die. Point taken. However, then obviously no one was converted. So you're still lying, eh? Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about.
Pandain, if noone was converted, the game would have ended. Its really obvious you're mafia.
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sorry took longer than expected, my dogs started running after a stupid fox
i guess me not converting anyone would be a possibility, but would i have really taken this chance? I think 50/50 is a better than having to argue with you because you are trying to save your ass, which is annoying me to no end.
BUT, you not knowing that sacrifice killed the mafia you would've claimed who you protected as soon as day started, because thats 100% how you are you would've bragged about having saved the game, also day would not have started so quickly because at the exact time that the day post was posted (about 5 mins after i left) i was driving to college
ok so on your big post:
1. of course i will use the "if i'm mafia" thing, to prove you that whatever you say, you can't prove i am mafia.
2. i answered to all your arguments? they are still bad
3. i didnt lay suspicion on drh when ym was deciding who to shoot, wtf are you talking about?
4. herp derp of course i said he should've been shot, i voted for him.
5. losing everything by ending debate abruptly? wtf is that even supposed to mean, i've been trying to make you shut the fuck up and let kthez and me win so i can go do something else
why am i even trying to prove myself to you, kthez is the only one i need to prove something to, and i'm pretty sure he knows from lsb, and me that you are mafia
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On November 19 2010 11:29 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:
wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense?
if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion.
therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game.
LOGIC SIR, LOGIC And how was I converted? Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known. That's the only way that could happen. Another slip, my friend. if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT? Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die. Point taken. However, then obviously no one was converted. So you're still lying, eh? Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about. Pandain, if noone was converted, the game would have ended. Its really obvious you're mafia.
Man frickin use your mind.
No one was converted because glasse is mafia.
Let me lay this out for you.
Night two:Glasse mc's coag
coag protects glasse
Kenpachi fails to convert me, dies.
Glasse gets coag lynched so then he can get to late game basically confirmed and get me lynched.
Night three they hit lsb because they can't let him reveal that glasse is mafia.
omfg
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there is 1 convert per night dude, 2 a night would be so fucking op. 1 convert 1 kill.
night 2 kenpachi converted pandain
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think about it.. 2 converts 1 kill, medic can protect one, shrink can protect one, town lose a member 100%?
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On November 19 2010 11:39 Glasse wrote:
there is 1 convert per night dude, 2 a night would be so fucking op. 1 convert 1 kill.
night 2 kenpachi converted pandain
are you frkcing kidding me.
they can both convert.
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On November 19 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 11:29 KtheZ wrote:On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:
wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense?
if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion.
therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game.
LOGIC SIR, LOGIC And how was I converted? Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known. That's the only way that could happen. Another slip, my friend. if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT? Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die. Point taken. However, then obviously no one was converted. So you're still lying, eh? Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about. Pandain, if noone was converted, the game would have ended. Its really obvious you're mafia. Man frickin use your mind. No one was converted because glasse is mafia. Let me lay this out for you. Night two:Glasse mc's coag coag protects glasse Kenpachi fails to convert me, dies. Glasse gets coag lynched so then he can get to late game basically confirmed and get me lynched. Night three they hit lsb because they can't let him reveal that glasse is mafia. omfg
That reasoning is extremely far-fetched. Are you telling me that coag would rather protect a RANDOM person than LSB, who had claimed?
Kenpachi visiting you before he committed suicide is enough proof its you.
Although Glasse, I'd like to note that both mafia ARE able to MC on the same day
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On November 19 2010 11:32 Glasse wrote:
sorry took longer than expected, my dogs started running after a stupid fox
i guess me not converting anyone would be a possibility, but would i have really taken this chance? I think 50/50 is a better than having to argue with you because you are trying to save your ass, which is annoying me to no end.
BUT, you not knowing that sacrifice killed the mafia you would've claimed who you protected as soon as day started, because thats 100% how you are you would've bragged about having saved the game, also day would not have started so quickly because at the exact time that the day post was posted (about 5 mins after i left) i was driving to college
ok so on your big post:
1. of course i will use the "if i'm mafia" thing, to prove you that whatever you say, you can't prove i am mafia.
2. i answered to all your arguments? they are still bad
3. i didnt lay suspicion on drh when ym was deciding who to shoot, wtf are you talking about?
4. herp derp of course i said he should've been shot, i voted for him.
5. losing everything by ending debate abruptly? wtf is that even supposed to mean, i've been trying to make you shut the fuck up and let kthez and me win so i can go do something else
why am i even trying to prove myself to you, kthez is the only one i need to prove something to, and i'm pretty sure he knows from lsb, and me that you are mafia
Of course. Why would you risk leaving that to chance when you can BS like you are now that your confirmed when you're really not. Again, not your addmitting your arguments are flawed.
of course i know sacrifice kills mafia. in addition i protected myself, and I don't know even if i mentioned it cause its sort of irrelevant.
Man I've frickin proved your mafia. I'm still waiting for you to adress point by point. And of course you layed suscipcion on dr. h, you said he's trying to hide something. Caught in a lie.
For #4, your vote didn't matter, he was never in danger. And I'm saying its easy for you to say that AFTER YM already killed someone, when you just conviently didn't say your opinions earlier.
And if you let debate go through, you will lose. That's why your trying to stop it.
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oh really? thats kind of dumb then imo :3
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On November 19 2010 11:41 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 11:29 KtheZ wrote:On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:
wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense?
if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion.
therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game.
LOGIC SIR, LOGIC And how was I converted? Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known. That's the only way that could happen. Another slip, my friend. if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT? Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die. Point taken. However, then obviously no one was converted. So you're still lying, eh? Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about. Pandain, if noone was converted, the game would have ended. Its really obvious you're mafia. Man frickin use your mind. No one was converted because glasse is mafia. Let me lay this out for you. Night two:Glasse mc's coag coag protects glasse Kenpachi fails to convert me, dies. Glasse gets coag lynched so then he can get to late game basically confirmed and get me lynched. Night three they hit lsb because they can't let him reveal that glasse is mafia. omfg That reasoning is extremely far-fetched. Are you telling me that coag would rather protect a RANDOM person than LSB, who had claimed? Kenpachi visiting you before he committed suicide is enough proof its you. Although Glasse, I'd like to note that both mafia ARE able to MC on the same day
Are you fucking kidding me.
It's coagulation
Idk why he protected glasse, the point is he did. He probably followed glasse's stupid advice of rnging.
Again, based on our posts, who do you really think is more likely mafia?
Haven't you noted how glasse tries to shirk away from responding?
Haven't you noticed how he conviently forgets stuff, and misleads you?
Haven't you noticed how he's been forging this BS(like the "fact" that they don't both have convert) to prove I'm mafia.
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On November 19 2010 11:42 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 11:32 Glasse wrote:
sorry took longer than expected, my dogs started running after a stupid fox
i guess me not converting anyone would be a possibility, but would i have really taken this chance? I think 50/50 is a better than having to argue with you because you are trying to save your ass, which is annoying me to no end.
BUT, you not knowing that sacrifice killed the mafia you would've claimed who you protected as soon as day started, because thats 100% how you are you would've bragged about having saved the game, also day would not have started so quickly because at the exact time that the day post was posted (about 5 mins after i left) i was driving to college
ok so on your big post:
1. of course i will use the "if i'm mafia" thing, to prove you that whatever you say, you can't prove i am mafia.
2. i answered to all your arguments? they are still bad
3. i didnt lay suspicion on drh when ym was deciding who to shoot, wtf are you talking about?
4. herp derp of course i said he should've been shot, i voted for him.
5. losing everything by ending debate abruptly? wtf is that even supposed to mean, i've been trying to make you shut the fuck up and let kthez and me win so i can go do something else
why am i even trying to prove myself to you, kthez is the only one i need to prove something to, and i'm pretty sure he knows from lsb, and me that you are mafia Of course. Why would you risk leaving that to chance when you can BS like you are now that your confirmed when you're really not. Again, not your addmitting your arguments are flawed. of course i know sacrifice kills mafia. in addition i protected myself, and I don't know even if i mentioned it cause its sort of irrelevant. Man I've frickin proved your mafia. I'm still waiting for you to adress point by point. And of course you layed suscipcion on dr. h, you said he's trying to hide something. Caught in a lie. For #4, your vote didn't matter, he was never in danger. And I'm saying its easy for you to say that AFTER YM already killed someone, when you just conviently didn't say your opinions earlier. And if you let debate go through, you will lose. That's why your trying to stop it.
you have not proven anything... you are just proving that you are terrible at making shit up when obvious proofs are owning you, then you go back to post analysis instead of straight up debate about logics
if i let the debate go through i will lose? i'm trying to stop it? if i wanted to stop debating i wouldnt even have replied to your first retarded answer.
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Respond to the arguments, Glasse
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On November 19 2010 11:44 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 11:41 KtheZ wrote:On November 19 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 11:29 KtheZ wrote:On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:
wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense?
if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion.
therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game.
LOGIC SIR, LOGIC And how was I converted? Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known. That's the only way that could happen. Another slip, my friend. if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT? Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die. Point taken. However, then obviously no one was converted. So you're still lying, eh? Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about. Pandain, if noone was converted, the game would have ended. Its really obvious you're mafia. Man frickin use your mind. No one was converted because glasse is mafia. Let me lay this out for you. Night two:Glasse mc's coag coag protects glasse Kenpachi fails to convert me, dies. Glasse gets coag lynched so then he can get to late game basically confirmed and get me lynched. Night three they hit lsb because they can't let him reveal that glasse is mafia. omfg That reasoning is extremely far-fetched. Are you telling me that coag would rather protect a RANDOM person than LSB, who had claimed? Kenpachi visiting you before he committed suicide is enough proof its you. Although Glasse, I'd like to note that both mafia ARE able to MC on the same day Are you fucking kidding me. It's coagulation Idk why he protected glasse, the point is he did. He probably followed glasse's stupid advice of rnging. Again, based on our posts, who do you really think is more likely mafia? Haven't you noted how glasse tries to shirk away from responding? Haven't you noticed how he conviently forgets stuff, and misleads you? Haven't you noticed how he's been forging this BS(like the "fact" that they don't both have convert) to prove I'm mafia.
what does shirk mean?
i forget stuff? what did i forget, how did i mislead him? you forget shit and you cut parts of posts and analyse the rest as scum play
forging this bs? i fucking proved you were mafia with events that happened in the fucking game
also i didnt know about the fact that they can both convert at the same time, it sound a bit ridiculous to me
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On November 19 2010 11:41 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 11:29 KtheZ wrote:On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:
wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense?
if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion.
therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game.
LOGIC SIR, LOGIC And how was I converted? Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known. That's the only way that could happen. Another slip, my friend. if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT? Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die. Point taken. However, then obviously no one was converted. So you're still lying, eh? Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about. Pandain, if noone was converted, the game would have ended. Its really obvious you're mafia. Man frickin use your mind. No one was converted because glasse is mafia. Let me lay this out for you. Night two:Glasse mc's coag coag protects glasse Kenpachi fails to convert me, dies. Glasse gets coag lynched so then he can get to late game basically confirmed and get me lynched. Night three they hit lsb because they can't let him reveal that glasse is mafia. omfg That reasoning is extremely far-fetched. Are you telling me that coag would rather protect a RANDOM person than LSB, who had claimed? Kenpachi visiting you before he committed suicide is enough proof its you. Although Glasse, I'd like to note that both mafia ARE able to MC on the same day
Wait this isnt even RIGHT. Coag was shown to be YAKUZA (there probably would be a diff name if he was a converted person)
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On November 19 2010 11:45 Pandain wrote:
Respond to the arguments, Glasse
sorry i don't type at the speed of light yet
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On November 19 2010 11:47 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 11:41 KtheZ wrote:On November 19 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 11:29 KtheZ wrote:On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:
wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense?
if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion.
therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game.
LOGIC SIR, LOGIC And how was I converted? Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known. That's the only way that could happen. Another slip, my friend. if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT? Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die. Point taken. However, then obviously no one was converted. So you're still lying, eh? Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about. Pandain, if noone was converted, the game would have ended. Its really obvious you're mafia. Man frickin use your mind. No one was converted because glasse is mafia. Let me lay this out for you. Night two:Glasse mc's coag coag protects glasse Kenpachi fails to convert me, dies. Glasse gets coag lynched so then he can get to late game basically confirmed and get me lynched. Night three they hit lsb because they can't let him reveal that glasse is mafia. omfg That reasoning is extremely far-fetched. Are you telling me that coag would rather protect a RANDOM person than LSB, who had claimed? Kenpachi visiting you before he committed suicide is enough proof its you. Although Glasse, I'd like to note that both mafia ARE able to MC on the same day Wait this isnt even RIGHT. Coag was shown to be YAKUZA (there probably would be a diff name if he was a converted person)
yea, i said that earlier and he conveniently dodged it, like almost every proofs i have against him, which is why hes back in a corner and can't really bring anything relevant up anymore
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you "forget" that mafia can both mind control
you mislead by saying you could've won if you were mafia
you mislead by saying I'm proven mafia via kenpachi
And I'm still waiting for that proof. Cause you just fell through with the whole "mafia can both mc" thing.
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On November 19 2010 11:47 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 11:41 KtheZ wrote:On November 19 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 11:29 KtheZ wrote:On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:
wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense?
if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion.
therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game.
LOGIC SIR, LOGIC And how was I converted? Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known. That's the only way that could happen. Another slip, my friend. if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT? Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die. Point taken. However, then obviously no one was converted. So you're still lying, eh? Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about. Pandain, if noone was converted, the game would have ended. Its really obvious you're mafia. Man frickin use your mind. No one was converted because glasse is mafia. Let me lay this out for you. Night two:Glasse mc's coag coag protects glasse Kenpachi fails to convert me, dies. Glasse gets coag lynched so then he can get to late game basically confirmed and get me lynched. Night three they hit lsb because they can't let him reveal that glasse is mafia. omfg That reasoning is extremely far-fetched. Are you telling me that coag would rather protect a RANDOM person than LSB, who had claimed? Kenpachi visiting you before he committed suicide is enough proof its you. Although Glasse, I'd like to note that both mafia ARE able to MC on the same day Wait this isnt even RIGHT. Coag was shown to be YAKUZA (there probably would be a diff name if he was a converted person)
Agian, that is not the ase.
Jeezes
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So Please, KtheZ, why am I "confirmed mafia"
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well i did not forget that, i didnt know that
if i was mafia i would've converted one of you, which didnt happen as i'm alive and there isnt 2 mafia in the game right now
thats not misleading, that's been fucking proven because i'm flash and you were visited by the yakuza that sacrificed
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On November 19 2010 11:50 Glasse wrote:
well i did not forget that, i didnt know that
if i was mafia i would've converted one of you, which didnt happen as i'm alive and there isnt 2 mafia in the game right now
thats not misleading, that's been fucking proven because i'm flash and you were visited by the yakuza that sacrificed
Convienant.
And again, your misleading. If you had tried to convert, there was a good chance it would fail if I protected the right person.
And again, great arguments. What do they rely on? That your flash. What do mine rely on? Cold hard reasoning, which also happen to support the fact I'm flash.
You could negate anything by saying something. If KtheZ was a rolecop and found you were mafia, you could negate that by saying "no, cause I'm rolecop". Which is what your doing right now,
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On November 19 2010 11:49 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 11:47 KtheZ wrote:On November 19 2010 11:41 KtheZ wrote:On November 19 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 11:29 KtheZ wrote:On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:
wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense?
if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion.
therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game.
LOGIC SIR, LOGIC And how was I converted? Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known. That's the only way that could happen. Another slip, my friend. if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT? Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die. Point taken. However, then obviously no one was converted. So you're still lying, eh? Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about. Pandain, if noone was converted, the game would have ended. Its really obvious you're mafia. Man frickin use your mind. No one was converted because glasse is mafia. Let me lay this out for you. Night two:Glasse mc's coag coag protects glasse Kenpachi fails to convert me, dies. Glasse gets coag lynched so then he can get to late game basically confirmed and get me lynched. Night three they hit lsb because they can't let him reveal that glasse is mafia. omfg That reasoning is extremely far-fetched. Are you telling me that coag would rather protect a RANDOM person than LSB, who had claimed? Kenpachi visiting you before he committed suicide is enough proof its you. Although Glasse, I'd like to note that both mafia ARE able to MC on the same day Wait this isnt even RIGHT. Coag was shown to be YAKUZA (there probably would be a diff name if he was a converted person) Agian, that is not the case. Jeezes
how would you know? in every other games with this kind of abilities it ends up saying 'mafia [town role] or traitor if its 3rd party
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So please, KtheZ, why am I "confirmed mafia"
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On November 19 2010 11:52 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 11:49 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 11:47 KtheZ wrote:On November 19 2010 11:41 KtheZ wrote:On November 19 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 11:29 KtheZ wrote:On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:
wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense?
if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion.
therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game.
LOGIC SIR, LOGIC And how was I converted? Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known. That's the only way that could happen. Another slip, my friend. if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT? Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die. Point taken. However, then obviously no one was converted. So you're still lying, eh? Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about. Pandain, if noone was converted, the game would have ended. Its really obvious you're mafia. Man frickin use your mind. No one was converted because glasse is mafia. Let me lay this out for you. Night two:Glasse mc's coag coag protects glasse Kenpachi fails to convert me, dies. Glasse gets coag lynched so then he can get to late game basically confirmed and get me lynched. Night three they hit lsb because they can't let him reveal that glasse is mafia. omfg That reasoning is extremely far-fetched. Are you telling me that coag would rather protect a RANDOM person than LSB, who had claimed? Kenpachi visiting you before he committed suicide is enough proof its you. Although Glasse, I'd like to note that both mafia ARE able to MC on the same day Wait this isnt even RIGHT. Coag was shown to be YAKUZA (there probably would be a diff name if he was a converted person) Agian, that is not the case. Jeezes how would you know? in every other games with this kind of abilities it ends up saying 'mafia [town role] or traitor if its 3rd party
cause i know the rules
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Because kenpachi visited you when he committed suicide. Simple as that.
Plus, if you really were yourself, why would you conveniently decide to protect yourself when it was vital that LSB remain town?
In fact, didnt you read my posts in the beginning that it probably is better for shrink to get MCed rather than doctor or detective?
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EBWODP: by yourself i mean shrink
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On November 19 2010 11:52 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 11:50 Glasse wrote:
well i did not forget that, i didnt know that
if i was mafia i would've converted one of you, which didnt happen as i'm alive and there isnt 2 mafia in the game right now
thats not misleading, that's been fucking proven because i'm flash and you were visited by the yakuza that sacrificed Convienant. And again, your misleading. If you had tried to convert, there was a good chance it would fail if I protected the right person. And again, great arguments. What do they rely on? That your flash. What do mine rely on? Cold hard reasoning, which also happen to support the fact I'm flash.You could negate anything by saying something. If KtheZ was a rolecop and found you were mafia, you could negate that by saying "no, cause I'm rolecop". Which is what your doing right now,
my great argument rely on game events that actually happened and not a bunch of shit you are throwing up in yuor posts. also how is anything you are saying proving that you are flash? It proves that you are mafia doing a terrible job at defending himself to me
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On November 19 2010 11:53 KtheZ wrote:
Because kenpachi visited you when he committed suicide. Simple as that.
Plus, if you really were yourself, why would you conveniently decide to protect yourself when it was vital that LSB remain town?
In fact, didnt you read my posts in the beginning that it probably is better for shrink to get MCed rather than doctor or detective?
I've already explained this.
I was pretty likely to be MCED(had caught kenpachi, most likely they wouldn't LSB because they would figure he would be protected like the first night)
in addition, it isn't good for shrink to be mced.
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On November 19 2010 11:55 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 11:53 KtheZ wrote:
Because kenpachi visited you when he committed suicide. Simple as that.
Plus, if you really were yourself, why would you conveniently decide to protect yourself when it was vital that LSB remain town?
In fact, didnt you read my posts in the beginning that it probably is better for shrink to get MCed rather than doctor or detective? I've already explained this. I was pretty likely to be MCED(had caught kenpachi, most likely they wouldn't LSB because they would figure he would be protected like the first night) in addition, it isn't good for shrink to be mced.
it's better than tracker or doctor.
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On November 19 2010 11:54 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 11:52 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 11:50 Glasse wrote:
well i did not forget that, i didnt know that
if i was mafia i would've converted one of you, which didnt happen as i'm alive and there isnt 2 mafia in the game right now
thats not misleading, that's been fucking proven because i'm flash and you were visited by the yakuza that sacrificed Convienant. And again, your misleading. If you had tried to convert, there was a good chance it would fail if I protected the right person. And again, great arguments. What do they rely on? That your flash. What do mine rely on? Cold hard reasoning, which also happen to support the fact I'm flash.You could negate anything by saying something. If KtheZ was a rolecop and found you were mafia, you could negate that by saying "no, cause I'm rolecop". Which is what your doing right now, my great argument rely on game events that actually happened and not a bunch of shit you are throwing up in yuor posts. also how is anything you are saying proving that you are flash? It proves that you are mafia doing a terrible job at defending himself to me
how 'bout instead of saying my arguments are shit you debate them with arguments that don't rely on "I'm flash."
do it.
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On November 19 2010 11:56 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 11:55 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 11:53 KtheZ wrote:
Because kenpachi visited you when he committed suicide. Simple as that.
Plus, if you really were yourself, why would you conveniently decide to protect yourself when it was vital that LSB remain town?
In fact, didnt you read my posts in the beginning that it probably is better for shrink to get MCed rather than doctor or detective? I've already explained this. I was pretty likely to be MCED(had caught kenpachi, most likely they wouldn't LSB because they would figure he would be protected like the first night) in addition, it isn't good for shrink to be mced. it's better than tracker or doctor.
Ya, which is why I protected LSB night one, (unlike what glasse supposedly did.)
But I figured again, if they're going to try to convert me(because i guessed kenpachi), why would I just protected LSB for that 10% chance they'll actually try for him.
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you were pushing pretty hard that we should all defend lsb, which you did as a doctor on day 1. at day 2 it was even more vital that you protected him and you knew that, you would've protected him if you didnt get converted
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On November 19 2010 11:57 Glasse wrote:
you were pushing pretty hard that we should all defend lsb, which you did as a doctor on day 1. at day 2 it was even more vital that you protected him and you knew that, you would've protected him if you didnt get converted
Again, do you really think mafia would've tried to MC lsb despite the fact I had correctly guessed kenpachi and the fact it was even more obvious he was confirmed(thus more likely protection for him.)
my plan would work unless they were retarded.
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Rofl was that really your argument?
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On November 19 2010 11:56 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 11:54 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 11:52 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 11:50 Glasse wrote:
well i did not forget that, i didnt know that
if i was mafia i would've converted one of you, which didnt happen as i'm alive and there isnt 2 mafia in the game right now
thats not misleading, that's been fucking proven because i'm flash and you were visited by the yakuza that sacrificed Convienant. And again, your misleading. If you had tried to convert, there was a good chance it would fail if I protected the right person. And again, great arguments. What do they rely on? That your flash. What do mine rely on? Cold hard reasoning, which also happen to support the fact I'm flash.You could negate anything by saying something. If KtheZ was a rolecop and found you were mafia, you could negate that by saying "no, cause I'm rolecop". Which is what your doing right now, my great argument rely on game events that actually happened and not a bunch of shit you are throwing up in yuor posts. also how is anything you are saying proving that you are flash? It proves that you are mafia doing a terrible job at defending himself to me how 'bout instead of saying my arguments are shit you debate them with arguments that don't rely on "I'm flash." do it.
dude i fucking proven you HAVE TO BE mafia earlier, which you are obviously trying to forget and push to the side. Also most of your argument implies the "im flash" part as well.
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I proved you wrong. Your argument relied on the falsity that mafia can't mc twice.
and most of my argument doesn't.
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On November 19 2010 12:00 Pandain wrote:
I proved you wrong. Your argument relied on the falsity that mafia can't mc twice.
and most of my argument doesn't.
before that mafia can't mc twice thing, which i was apparently wrong. you are just fucking dodging it.
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Restate your "proof" then.
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On November 19 2010 12:02 Pandain wrote:
Restate your "proof" then.
give me a min to find it through the pile of crap you've been posting :3
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On November 19 2010 12:02 Glasse wrote:give me a min to find it through the pile of crap you've been posting :3
Again, way to take a simple request and turn it into an insult at me.
And why would you need to find it? Don't you know it?
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On November 19 2010 12:03 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 12:02 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 12:02 Pandain wrote:
Restate your "proof" then. give me a min to find it through the pile of crap you've been posting :3 Again, way to take a simple request and turn it into an insult at me. And why would you need to find it? Don't you know it?
1. how is that an insult, you have been spamming mindless crap.
2. ok i'll repost it without looking
kenpachi visited artanis, who died. Kenpachi then visited you
coag was not converted by me, because he claims he was doctor, but he was yakuza as it said when he died, so the only other possible doctor is you, because if he tried to convert me and you were shrinking yourself i would've been converted and coag would have been dead before lynch
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Those who can't argue anymore often resort to insults...
And again, IT DOES NOT SAY THE ROLE YOU ARE WHEN YOU ARE CONVERTED
another misleading statement.
So again, KtheZ, why am I "confirmed mafia"
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why would it not when it obviously does in other mafia games?
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Because this is another game.
Again, your using the same logic Ace did in insane mafia with the tracker/watcher stuff.
This is deondou's game.
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same logic as ace? what?
enlighten me please?
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Ace basically said to kitaman in insane mafia that his claim was false because his role of tracker was different from the normal role.
your using the same logic as him, when he was mafia.
Different game, different rules.
so again, kthez, why am i "confirmed mafia"
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Seeing as you have no more arguments, Glasse, you must realize that it comes down to what you fear:
Cold hard analysis. And I trust it will be on my side.
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I expect two things:
1.KtheZ to unvote me, seeing as I'm not longer what glasse claims is "confirmed mafia"
2.Glasse to do an analysis on me, to show his side.
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You are confirmed mafia because kenpachi visited you, and its pretty obvious you're bullshitting about how you're the shrink.
Also, you're spamming like INSANE, like how you did in INSANE mafia. Either you're greedily trying to increase your post count or you are just trying to clutter up the already long message board, noticing that I (and other people) sometimes neglect to read long ass walls of text.
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I'm fuckin spamming because I'm about to die.
And I always spam anyways, ask anyone. It's something I'm working on, but me about to die certainly doesn't help.
so is that your argument? The first sentence has been proven irrelevant, as that assumes I am lying. so circular reasoning, I'm lying because I'm lying.
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ok let's analyse my post after the day 3 things:
On November 18 2010 21:46 Glasse wrote:
... wow are you serious...
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i am mad, coag didnt get lynched and town lost
On November 18 2010 21:46 Glasse wrote:
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after i put on my shirt and get ready to leave i come back to the computer, really pissed and post tons of disapointed dots, then i leave and manage to go 140 on the highway.
On November 18 2010 21:49 Coagulation wrote:
GG glasse you can sit down now bro
coag realizes i'll be happy when i come back home, because he felt how pissed i was
On November 18 2010 21:53 Pandain wrote:
As it stands right now there's no way to verify who's telling the truth.
It could be glasse, it could be me.
It comes down to what it shoudl be, cold hard analysis.
I suggest we all wait so then mafia can't easily just get a majority or something.
Decon how are you going to end day? Whole 48 hours? Or what?
you instantly jump out and try to prove yourself to no one, as kthez isnt there and i'm going to college
On November 19 2010 01:34 Glasse wrote:
wait i didnt send my night action why was the day started?
i come back and see that the day is started without me sending in my night action, i'm mad at deconduo and confused at the same time
then you proceed to make a huge analysis to try to prove yourself because you are desperate
then i prove you that i was at college and could not have sent a kill pm, because we don't use computer in a stats class
then you manage to avoid everything that obviously points toward you to try to catch me on something, which i deny everything easily
gg scum, unless kthez changes his vote town won
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Glasse, you said nothing in that post besides blatant wifom and unverifiable stuff. And then you say I'm trying to prove myself when I'm just laying out what we know.
And obviously there's no way to even know if you didn't send your night action or not.
so stop with that wifom crap.
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Here, I was hacked during the time I posted there. I wasn't actually playing.
You see! I'm innocent!
(this is what I'm talking about...)
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am i allowed to post a screenshot of my college schedule?
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South Rawrea did that to "prove" himself in my first mafia game.
he was mafia.
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well i kind of have undenyable proof on my schedule itself, it says which class is in a lab or not...
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On November 19 2010 12:26 Pandain wrote:
I'm fuckin spamming because I'm about to die.
And I always spam anyways, ask anyone. It's something I'm working on, but me about to die certainly doesn't help.
so is that your argument? The first sentence has been proven irrelevant, as that assumes I am lying. so circular reasoning, I'm lying because I'm lying.
How the hell has the first sentence been proven irrelevant? The fact that kenpachi visited you when you died is the greatest piece of evidence of all. It outweighs all other pieces of evidence and puts a absofuckinglutely HUGE FoS on you. An absofuckinglutely HUGE FoS.
And you're trying to explain how we are left with 1 mafia left, who is glasse, and explaining this through an intricate explanation of how coag protect glasse (for no reason at all), and then glasse converts coag, and kenpachi fails in conversion, and then we are left with 2 mafia again?
I find the probability of this extremely low. What I find to be more probably is you lying.
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Again, it doesn't confirm anything.
1.It could be photoshopped
2.You could still talk from college(brownbear does it)
3.It's all wifom.
Face it glasse, its coming down to cold hard reason.
heck, perhaps you even sent in the kill beforehand. Idk...
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On November 19 2010 12:33 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 12:26 Pandain wrote:
I'm fuckin spamming because I'm about to die.
And I always spam anyways, ask anyone. It's something I'm working on, but me about to die certainly doesn't help.
so is that your argument? The first sentence has been proven irrelevant, as that assumes I am lying. so circular reasoning, I'm lying because I'm lying.
How the hell has the first sentence been proven irrelevant? The fact that kenpachi visited you when you died is the greatest piece of evidence of all. It outweighs all other pieces of evidence and puts a absofuckinglutely HUGE FoS on you. An absofuckinglutely HUGE FoS. And you're trying to explain how we are left with 1 mafia left, who is glasse, and explaining this through an intricate explanation of how coag protect glasse (for no reason at all), and then glasse converts coag, and kenpachi fails in conversion, and then we are left with 2 mafia again? I find the probability of this extremely low. What I find to be more probably is you lying.
You assume that proves I'm mafia because I'm not shrink. But if I'm not shrink, I'm mafia. So your using circular reasoning to prove that. again, I protected myself.
Seriously KtheZ...
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why would i do that if i could have used that time with lsb to prove that you are mafia even more than now?
i don't own photoshop
i dont have a laptop
no its not wifom, you are using wifom while dodging every single proofs i have against you
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Again, now we're basing your "truth" on your life?
man we don't know anything on your life. Again, that's all unverifiable.
Your right, its not wifom. I just say that when its retarded crap. Which this is.
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ok then i won't use undeniable proof from my life because it's true its not really verifiable... i guess...
i dont even know why im proving myself to you, i've obviously proven enough that kthez believes me and lsb and you are mad because you are about to lose after you were converted
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Again, so where's that "proof" that I'm mafia?
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Actually nevermind, I already decimated it.
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On November 19 2010 12:15 Pandain wrote:
Ace basically said to kitaman in insane mafia that his claim was false because his role of tracker was different from the normal role.
your using the same logic as him, when he was mafia.
Different game, different rules.
so again, kthez, why am i "confirmed mafia"
for reference where your "proof failed"
KtheZ unvote me. Or give reasons why I'm mafia, because just that kenpachi visited me doesn't prove anything other that I'm either doctor, shrink, or mafia.
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go back a few pages and they are everywhere. i'm going to sleep now because im exhausted and annoyed by you, hopefully tomorow you'll stop being fucking stubborn even after you lost and i'll end up having a nice day
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On November 19 2010 12:35 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 12:33 KtheZ wrote:On November 19 2010 12:26 Pandain wrote:
I'm fuckin spamming because I'm about to die.
And I always spam anyways, ask anyone. It's something I'm working on, but me about to die certainly doesn't help.
so is that your argument? The first sentence has been proven irrelevant, as that assumes I am lying. so circular reasoning, I'm lying because I'm lying.
How the hell has the first sentence been proven irrelevant? The fact that kenpachi visited you when you died is the greatest piece of evidence of all. It outweighs all other pieces of evidence and puts a absofuckinglutely HUGE FoS on you. An absofuckinglutely HUGE FoS. And you're trying to explain how we are left with 1 mafia left, who is glasse, and explaining this through an intricate explanation of how coag protect glasse (for no reason at all), and then glasse converts coag, and kenpachi fails in conversion, and then we are left with 2 mafia again? I find the probability of this extremely low. What I find to be more probably is you lying. You assume that proves I'm mafia because I'm not shrink. But if I'm not shrink, I'm mafia. So your using circular reasoning to prove that. again, I protected myself. Seriously KtheZ...
I assume you are mafia because kenpachi visited you. I believe much more that you WERE converted rather than believe the whole chain of events that you say led up to the situation now.
Nothing you say is verifiable, but looking at the only solid piece of evidence we have, that kenpachi DID visit you when he committed suicide, puts the FoS on you.
I don't need your condescending remarks to tell me who to vote for.
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No you won't go to sleep. Admit it. You have no proof.
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I'm sorry KtheZ if I seem mean. I just want you to understand, and I believe you've already begun to.
We have no idea of proving whether me or glasse is lying. Again, it's not that inconceivable this happened. And don't let it just because its "less likely" mean its impossible, because then your ignoring analysis on each of us. Note I haven't even been analyzed(i wonder why).
analysis is the key to victory here. And I'm asking you to open your mind to at least the possibility that I'm really shrink, since we have no proof
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i'd also like to point out that your strongest argument about why lsb was real tracker is that there were no counter claims
i claimed literally 5 seconds after i saw the post where you fake claimed, doesnt that also prove that you were converted?
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On November 19 2010 12:45 Pandain wrote:
I'm sorry KtheZ if I seem mean. I just want you to understand, and I believe you've already begun to.
We have no idea of proving whether me or glasse is lying. Again, it's not that inconceivable this happened. And don't let it just because its "less likely" mean its impossible, because then your ignoring analysis on each of us. Note I haven't even been analyzed(i wonder why).
analysis is the key to victory here. And I'm asking you to open your mind to at least the possibility that I'm really shrink, since we have no proof
analysis is not the key to victory, logical facts about events that happened in the game are the key to victory, and i've already proven that. you claim analysis is key because its the only way you can twist my words and make it seem like i'm mafia
now please end this game so i can sleep better.
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Way to not provide proof.
And actually no glasse, since LSB figured mafia wouldn't have enough time to plan out a fake claim. I was afk until a while after you tried to convert me, so you had plenty of time.
In fact, it just proves that people WOULD counter claim to LSB, yet you claim they wouldn't?
Hmm...
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Still waiting for that proof....
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You see KtheZ, glasse has to rely on speculation, on whether "well...this would be a simpler explanation" rather than the RIGHT explanation.
And why would he say analysis is not the key to victory. That is incrediablly scummy....
and he hasn't offered any more proof that I'm suppodely "confirmed mafia" , yet continues to purport that.
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i posted that proof earlier and you dodged it, go back and read it and answer it, i'm tired of this shit, i just want to go sleep and you will make me have a terrible night because i'm mad right now and i never sleep well when i'm mad at a fucking liar
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On November 19 2010 12:51 Glasse wrote:
i posted that proof earlier and you dodged it, go back and read it and answer it, i'm tired of this shit, i just want to go sleep and you will make me have a terrible night because i'm mad right now and i never sleep well when i'm mad at a fucking liar
I already decimated it. Here is where you failed to respond after.
On November 19 2010 12:15 Pandain wrote:
Ace basically said to kitaman in insane mafia that his claim was false because his role of tracker was different from the normal role.
your using the same logic as him, when he was mafia.
Different game, different rules.
so again, kthez, why am i "confirmed mafia"
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On November 19 2010 12:50 Pandain wrote:
You see KtheZ, glasse has to rely on speculation, on whether "well...this would be a simpler explanation" rather than the RIGHT explanation.
And why would he say analysis is not the key to victory. That is incrediablly scummy....
and he hasn't offered any more proof that I'm suppodely "confirmed mafia" , yet continues to purport that.
ok, there.
i'm flash, you were converted, because there are proofs from lsb
you're flash, i was somehow converted by a doctor on night 1
here are your amazing super duper facts that you are trying to twist to your side because i'm tired and you can easily see it and my arguments are getting worse as time go by
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Man I already frickin showed LSB was partly wrong. Stop continuing this campaign of misinformation and lies.
and again, I'm flash, and you are an original mafia. stop twisting my words.
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On November 19 2010 12:52 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 12:51 Glasse wrote:
i posted that proof earlier and you dodged it, go back and read it and answer it, i'm tired of this shit, i just want to go sleep and you will make me have a terrible night because i'm mad right now and i never sleep well when i'm mad at a fucking liar I already decimated it. Here is where you failed to respond after. Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 12:15 Pandain wrote:
Ace basically said to kitaman in insane mafia that his claim was false because his role of tracker was different from the normal role.
your using the same logic as him, when he was mafia.
Different game, different rules.
so again, kthez, why am i "confirmed mafia"
i dont even know what the fuck happened there, i don't want to dig through 2000 posts to find it. you were also mafia in that game
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On November 19 2010 12:54 Pandain wrote:
Man I already frickin showed LSB was partly wrong. Stop continuing this campaign of misinformation and lies.
and again, I'm flash, and you are an original mafia. stop twisting my words.
there is no possibility that i'm original mafia and i proved that
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On November 19 2010 12:54 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 12:52 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 12:51 Glasse wrote:
i posted that proof earlier and you dodged it, go back and read it and answer it, i'm tired of this shit, i just want to go sleep and you will make me have a terrible night because i'm mad right now and i never sleep well when i'm mad at a fucking liar I already decimated it. Here is where you failed to respond after. On November 19 2010 12:15 Pandain wrote:
Ace basically said to kitaman in insane mafia that his claim was false because his role of tracker was different from the normal role.
your using the same logic as him, when he was mafia.
Different game, different rules.
so again, kthez, why am i "confirmed mafia" i dont even know what the fuck happened there, i don't want to dig through 2000 posts to find it. you were also mafia in that game
Irrelevant. And it just happened the previous page, go look at it.
Heck, you've been reading this thread. That is not an acceptable answer.
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On November 19 2010 12:54 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 12:54 Pandain wrote:
Man I already frickin showed LSB was partly wrong. Stop continuing this campaign of misinformation and lies.
and again, I'm flash, and you are an original mafia. stop twisting my words. there is no possibility that i'm original mafia and i proved that
prove it
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Since theres only 3 of us left, I wont bother posting my analysis of you, since Glasse has voted you already. However, looking through the huge amount of posts you have had in this topic, I noticed that you not only showed extreme ignorance (like saying coag was medic, with extremely flawed reasoning) and dropped hundreds of your arguments only to nitpick at several key points made and focus on those, but you also just said in the post above that glasse tried to convert you, which is obviously untrue since he is still alive.
Your hundreds of dropped arguments, as well as you unrelentless and hypocritical hounding of Glasse to prove himself when you silently drop many arguments made against you, make me think you are mafia.
Glasse voted for mafia both times. Would a mafia really bus his allies TWICE?
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Alright I need to calm down i'm so close to just outright cursing at you.
afk 10 or so minutes
KtheZ, please, do you admit that I'm not confirmed mafia? I want to know at least tha tmuch.
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On November 19 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 12:54 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 12:52 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 12:51 Glasse wrote:
i posted that proof earlier and you dodged it, go back and read it and answer it, i'm tired of this shit, i just want to go sleep and you will make me have a terrible night because i'm mad right now and i never sleep well when i'm mad at a fucking liar I already decimated it. Here is where you failed to respond after. On November 19 2010 12:15 Pandain wrote:
Ace basically said to kitaman in insane mafia that his claim was false because his role of tracker was different from the normal role.
your using the same logic as him, when he was mafia.
Different game, different rules.
so again, kthez, why am i "confirmed mafia" i dont even know what the fuck happened there, i don't want to dig through 2000 posts to find it. you were also mafia in that game Irrelevant. And it just happened the previous page, go look at it. Heck, you've been reading this thread. That is not an acceptable answer.
i saw the post, i just dont understand how it links to me.
it could also relate to you, you are trying to prove yourself with big fake analysis because you are mafia and it's the only thing you know how to fucking do, just like in previous games
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omfg
kthez please read my analaysis of glasse.http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7011394
im about to explode here.
I clearly explain why his votes did not matter.
And I never said glasse tried to convert me. He converted coag. Coag protected LSB.
And coag was medic. I mean, he claimed it. And sure he was mafia, but what else would he claim? That was like probalby the one safe role to claim(since he knew no one else had it.)
And I have hardly dropped any arguments, only irrelevant ones. I've dropped 3, he has to respond to like 12. He hasn't even responded to my response to his "defense".
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On November 19 2010 12:57 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 12:54 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 12:52 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 12:51 Glasse wrote:
i posted that proof earlier and you dodged it, go back and read it and answer it, i'm tired of this shit, i just want to go sleep and you will make me have a terrible night because i'm mad right now and i never sleep well when i'm mad at a fucking liar I already decimated it. Here is where you failed to respond after. On November 19 2010 12:15 Pandain wrote:
Ace basically said to kitaman in insane mafia that his claim was false because his role of tracker was different from the normal role.
your using the same logic as him, when he was mafia.
Different game, different rules.
so again, kthez, why am i "confirmed mafia" i dont even know what the fuck happened there, i don't want to dig through 2000 posts to find it. you were also mafia in that game Irrelevant. And it just happened the previous page, go look at it. Heck, you've been reading this thread. That is not an acceptable answer. i saw the post, i just dont understand how it links to me. it could also relate to you, you are trying to prove yourself with big fake analysis because you are mafia and it's the only thing you know how to fucking do, just like in previous games
so I'm trying to prove I'm mafia by doing analysis?
and obviously your town because you hate analysis, right?
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Again KtheZ, answer this. Am I a "confirmed mafia."
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i'll just make 1 post before i go sleep. i am not going to repost every little thing that pointed at you that you dodged before picking on the very small twisted thing that could possibly point to me, but i will say this:
There are more chances that you were actually converted, as you kept saying shrink should not protect himself because lsb was more important, so if you were shrink you would have protected him, but you were medic and you tried to protect him and got converted
The only case where i am mafia is if i started as mafia, which i did not, because of multiple points i pointed out earlier, the most important one being that the 2 main yakuza were killed. Also your whole "bussing your teamate as mafia", coag did it to you right after you got caught by lsb to gain credibility
someone pm me when pandain decide to vote/game is over, i dont even want to answer all his made up things. Hopefully it'll end up town winning, i'm going to sleep
oh 1 more thing:
this is making me want to never play mafia again, because i'm bringing up good points and hes just dodging them all and try to focus on other shit, it feels like i've been arguing with a wall because it did not bring anything new, this is not fun at all when hes OBVIOUSLY wrong on multiple things, contradicts himself, i point it out, he dodges it and contradicts himself on something else one thing i know is that if i'm ever mafia in a game and pandain isnt, or if i have a kp, you can be sure as hell he's going to fucking die night 1 so he doesnt pollute another game i'm in.
i'm going to sleep, hopefully i'll calm down soon enough
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right now hes just trying to make you prove something he can't really prove without using the same logic i proven for a while. trying to make you change your mind with stuff that is not based on anything
ok i'm closing tl and going to sleep now
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Your post makes several assumptions:
1.The main two yazukas were killed(unknown)
2. I'm medic(false, coag was)
3.Coag voted me because he wanted me to gain town cred? Man coag wanted me dead rofl.
4.Good night.
But again KtheZ, knowing all the ASSUMPTIONS that are going on, and everything, just I need to know this at least before I go to sleep.
Am I a "confirmed mafia."
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Fine I concede that point, my mistake. You are not a "confirmed" mafia. However, you are the PRIME suspect for being one.
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thank you. That makes me so happy someone finally understands.
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Then KtheZ, if I'm not confirmed, can you at least unvote me, at least for me. for me, it symbolizes you at least have an open mind. And I would really like to go to sleep.
Again, I'm not asking you to vote glasse. Just to unvote me. You can still be suscipcious, and I hope I will sufficiently adress them tommorow. But right now, will you be open?
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Sorry, I will not be open. I actually do not have an open mind, and do not wish to pretend I do have one. (haha)
I will not unvote you now. Day doesnt even end till you vote, so you have plenty of time to explain yourself, but take this word of warning:
My mafia senses are tingling!
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I don't understand why you think Glasse is more "townie" than me...
It's more symbolic than anything, you can always change. But the fact is no one is confirmed, and I'm begging you to be open.
Can't you find it anywhere, don't you even think a tiny bit that what I say is true? Don't you have at least a sliver of doubt on glasse because of my analysis? Or the contradictions I've shown? Or his misleading statements?
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alright i slept and i'm not annoyed to the point of killing someone anymore
is the day 24 or 48 hours today
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On November 19 2010 13:27 Pandain wrote:
I don't understand why you think Glasse is more "townie" than me...
It's more symbolic than anything, you can always change. But the fact is no one is confirmed, and I'm begging you to be open.
Can't you find it anywhere, don't you even think a tiny bit that what I say is true? Don't you have at least a sliver of doubt on glasse because of my analysis? Or the contradictions I've shown? Or his misleading statements?
or because you contradicted yourself a whole lot to make me look bad
or your misleading posts that twist my words your way
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On November 19 2010 21:07 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 13:27 Pandain wrote:
I don't understand why you think Glasse is more "townie" than me...
It's more symbolic than anything, you can always change. But the fact is no one is confirmed, and I'm begging you to be open.
Can't you find it anywhere, don't you even think a tiny bit that what I say is true? Don't you have at least a sliver of doubt on glasse because of my analysis? Or the contradictions I've shown? Or his misleading statements?
or because you contradicted yourself a whole lot to make me look bad or your misleading posts that twist my words your way
Back up those statements.
Anyway... time to prove my innocence.
Please read this whole post
Why it is more likely Glasse is mafia than me.
Right now, the only thing glasse has to “prove” as a possible mafia is the fact that kenpachi tried to convert me. And now you KtheZ has been saying that “its more likely your just lying rather than that coag actually protected glasse”. But is it? Here you will see that it’s really not.
Why is my story more likely than glasses? Because if you believe my story, everything fits. If you believe glasse, nothing does.
If you believe glasse, than why would coag(who he claims has been my scum buddy) vote me SO QUICKLY after lsb tracked kenpachi. LSB said it right, coag would have waited if we were linked).
But if you believe me, it makes perfect sense. Perfect opportunity to try to frame me as scum.
If you believe glasse, then why would he protect himself night one when he was in no real danger
If you believe me, it makes perfect sense. I was doing what the town had already decided, that LSB was indeed confirmed and must be protected.
If you believe me, then it makes perfect sense why glasse voted coag.
If you believe glasse, then why wouldn’t I have done the same.
If you believe me, it makes perfect sense why I stated that coag was mafia.
If you believe glasse, it doesn’t.
If you believe me, it makes perfect sense why coag acted so insincere when being voted by glasse, because it was planned.
If you believe glasse, you are going even farther into speculation, that me and coag planned that, even though I later said coag was 100% mafia.
If you believe me, my night actions make perfect sense.
If you believe glasse, they don’t.
If you believe me, it makes pefect sense why glasse tried to lay suscipcion on doctor h while youngminii was deciding who to shoot.
If you believe glasse, it makes no sense why he would do that and later say kenpachi shouldv’e been shot.
If you believe me, it makes pefect sense
If you believe me, you are voting because or reason, because of informed decisions, because of analysis and because of the foundations of scum hunting, the same which led me to pin kenpachi.
If you believe glasse, you are relying on one statement, one that I am proving doesn’t make me more likely mafia as he loves to claim, you are relying on flawed arguments and unverifiable justificatiosn.
Furthormore, there is no proof that Glasse is actually shrink other than that he claimed. Let me say that again, there is no verification of his claim. But LSB tracked me night one, and saw that I visited him. Glasse now claims I must’ve been a converted doctor, but why would coag have claimed that? Think about it, coag claiming doctor(if he was already converted) makes perfect sense, he would know no other person had that. everythin fits together with my story
Glasse says that the fact he voted for kenpachi proves he’s innocent. But what I’ve been saying, and he fails to counter, is the fact that that placed kenpachi in no real danger, that voting him simply could gain and not lose, so really that proves nothing. In fact, once you take the fact that Glasse says he wanted kenpachi to be shot, but the only thing he said was that Dr. H was probably hiding something(YM was going to shoot kenpachi/dr. h), everything fits together with my story:Glasse is mafia.
It is not unlikely at all that my story is true. I have verification of my role, while glasse’s claim of shrink is backed only by his word.
Since there is no real way to confirm who is mafia, YOU MUST LOOK AT ANALYSIS.
You must see that glasse DOES NOT want that to happen, he wants to just vote without letting debate happen(like he already did.) He has used unverifiable claims(I was afk) and bad reasoning(see above) and his defense boils down to: “Your scummy, but I won’t say why.” What has glasse proven about me?
Nothing.
He has not analyzed me(wonder why)
He has not responded after I decimated his response to my analysis.
Note that I always win the debates, and I firmly believe the truth always wins, because scum must resort to assumptions while I am backed by facts. my story fits, Glasse’s does not .
Everything makes sense according to my story
-Glasse votes coag because it was actually the best option
-LSB tracked me to him because I protected him as shrink
-Coag voted me so early because they wanted to get me lynched
-I said coag was 100% mafia before he was suddenly killed because I am town.
-Glasse said Dr. H was trying to hide something(later says kenpachi should’ve been shot, yet didn’t say anything then)
-Glasse said LSB was not confirmed, and even to the previous day has been insuting he was possibly mafia.
Glasse has been playing anti town from the start, proven by my analysis, from signs of feeling inherent guilt to suggesting doctor should RNG(probably got coag to too :/).
Note how our debates always have ended with me winning, except for those 3 things I admit don’t PROVE he’s mafia 100%(he can’t respond to the other 10 of course.) But Glasse doesn’t admit anything, as if he doesn’t want to. Glasse still is saying I’m “confirmed” mafia, and spouting that nonsense for this whole day. And it took me forever just to prove he was bsing all that. Note that our debates always end with me finally slamming down the basic foundatiosn of his argument, and then he just says “I don’t want to argue…” ITS BECAUSE HE CANT.
I hope this shows why I am the real shrink, how everything fits together if you belive me and things don’t if you believe him. Please, remember, no one is confirmed to be one alignment or another, analysis must and will come into play no matter how much he doesn’t want that to happen.
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On November 20 2010 04:41 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 21:07 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 13:27 Pandain wrote:
I don't understand why you think Glasse is more "townie" than me...
It's more symbolic than anything, you can always change. But the fact is no one is confirmed, and I'm begging you to be open.
Can't you find it anywhere, don't you even think a tiny bit that what I say is true? Don't you have at least a sliver of doubt on glasse because of my analysis? Or the contradictions I've shown? Or his misleading statements?
or because you contradicted yourself a whole lot to make me look bad or your misleading posts that twist my words your way Back up those statements. Anyway... time to prove my innocence. Please read this whole post Why it is more likely Glasse is mafia than me. Right now, the only thing glasse has to “prove” as a possible mafia is the fact that kenpachi tried to convert me. And now you KtheZ has been saying that “its more likely your just lying rather than that coag actually protected glasse”. But is it? Here you will see that it’s really not. Why is my story more likely than glasses? Because if you believe my story, everything fits. If you believe glasse, nothing does. actually if you listen to your own arguments about that scum guide you read, most of what you are doing is following that guideIf you believe glasse, than why would coag(who he claims has been my scum buddy) vote me SO QUICKLY after lsb tracked kenpachi. LSB said it right, coag would have waited if we were linked). But if you believe me, it makes perfect sense. Perfect opportunity to try to frame me as scum. you were trying to prove that i was mafia due to me voting for the 2 other dead mafias before, remember that?If you believe glasse, then why would he protect himself night one when he was in no real danger technically i was in more danger than the possibly fake detective, who was most likely to be protected to the eyes of mafia, which yourself, said previously.If you believe me, it makes perfect sense. I was doing what the town had already decided, that LSB was indeed confirmed and must be protected. yea, you did protect him as medic, and see what happened? someone else got shot, because mafia knew the doctor and me would probably protect him. Now if i look back in time i should probably have shrunk a vet instead of me, but at that time i just wanted to make sure i don't end up on mafiaIf you believe me, then it makes perfect sense why glasse voted coag. If you believe glasse, then why wouldn’t I have done the same. yea it makes sense, he was a confirmed mafia which we picked by having you fake claim, him lying about being doctor, kthez claiming bulletproof and other game events which lead to coag and you being the 2 mafia left, i don't really get the second part, it just sounds like you are trying to confuse usIf you believe me, it makes perfect sense why I stated that coag was mafia. If you believe glasse, it doesn’t. ?? explainIf you believe me, it makes perfect sense why coag acted so insincere when being voted by glasse, because it was planned. If you believe glasse, you are going even farther into speculation, that me and coag planned that, even though I later said coag was 100% mafia. he acted insincere? so him just right out posting hes mafia after hes obviously dead is not being sincere and somewhat stupid like he always play?
no, if you believe pandain you go farther into speculation actually. assuming that the red name wouldnt change, when it obviously would is one part of it. i made lists and proved em with actions that previously happenedIf you believe me, my night actions make perfect sense. If you believe glasse, they don’t. my night actions don't make sense? how so? i explained it countless times and it make sense. that is just being mad because i was right by thinking lsb wouldnt be hit and you wasted your doctor night actionIf you believe me, it makes pefect sense why glasse tried to lay suscipcion on doctor h while youngminii was deciding who to shoot. If you believe glasse, it makes no sense why he would do that and later say kenpachi shouldv’e been shot. If you believe me, it makes pefect sense he wasnt deciding who to shoot when i said that, was he? and of course i would be suspicious of drh, if you would ahve fucking read why i did which i explained tons of time but you keep "forgetting" it on purposeif you are believed about what?If you believe me, you are voting because or reason, because of informed decisions, because of analysis and because of the foundations of scum hunting, the same which led me to pin kenpachi. If you believe glasse, you are relying on one statement, one that I am proving doesn’t make me more likely mafia as he loves to claim, you are relying on flawed arguments and unverifiable justificatiosn. Furthormore, there is no proof that Glasse is actually shrink other than that he claimed. Let me say that again, there is no verification of his claim. But LSB tracked me night one, and saw that I visited him. Glasse now claims I must’ve been a converted doctor, but why would coag have claimed that? Think about it, coag claiming doctor(if he was already converted) makes perfect sense, he would know no other person had that. everythin fits together with my story i owned you on those points already yesterday night.Glasse says that the fact he voted for kenpachi proves he’s innocent. But what I’ve been saying, and he fails to counter, is the fact that that placed kenpachi in no real danger, that voting him simply could gain and not lose, so really that proves nothing. In fact, once you take the fact that Glasse says he wanted kenpachi to be shot, but the only thing he said was that Dr. H was probably hiding something(YM was going to shoot kenpachi/dr. h), everything fits together with my story:Glasse is mafia. see coag's instant vote on pandainIt is not unlikely at all that my story is true. I have verification of my role, while glasse’s claim of shrink is backed only by his word. you don't have proof, you have proof that you are either doctor or shrink, not that you are shrink, which i said more than once as wellSince there is no real way to confirm who is mafia, YOU MUST LOOK AT ANALYSIS. You must see that glasse DOES NOT want that to happen, he wants to just vote without letting debate happen(like he already did.) He has used unverifiable claims(I was afk) and bad reasoning(see above) and his defense boils down to: “Your scummy, but I won’t say why.” What has glasse proven about me? Nothing. dude the debate is happening, this is just trying to push him to do something he doesnt want to doHe has not analyzed me(wonder why) He has not responded after I decimated his response to my analysis. i didnt even see it, i'll go backNote that I always win the debates, and I firmly believe the truth always wins, because scum must resort to assumptions while I am backed by facts. my story fits, Glasse’s does not . rofl, i feel like i said something like that previously and you are trying to turn it back on me, how cuteEverything makes sense according to my story -Glasse votes coag because it was actually the best option -LSB tracked me to him because I protected him as shrink -Coag voted me so early because they wanted to get me lynched -I said coag was 100% mafia before he was suddenly killed because I am town. -Glasse said Dr. H was trying to hide something(later says kenpachi should’ve been shot, yet didn’t say anything then) -Glasse said LSB was not confirmed, and even to the previous day has been insuting he was possibly mafia. Glasse has been playing anti town from the start, proven by my analysis, from signs of feeling inherent guilt to suggesting doctor should RNG(probably got coag to too :/). Note how our debates always have ended with me winning, except for those 3 things I admit don’t PROVE he’s mafia 100%(he can’t respond to the other 10 of course.) But Glasse doesn’t admit anything, as if he doesn’t want to. Glasse still is saying I’m “confirmed” mafia, and spouting that nonsense for this whole day. And it took me forever just to prove he was bsing all that. Note that our debates always end with me finally slamming down the basic foundatiosn of his argument, and then he just says “I don’t want to argue…” ITS BECAUSE HE CANT. I hope this shows why I am the real shrink, how everything fits together if you belive me and things don’t if you believe him. Please, remember, no one is confirmed to be one alignment or another, analysis must and will come into play no matter how much he doesn’t want that to happen. herp derp bunch of shit i already denied
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oh also, your assumption is that i am original mafia and coag is doctor right?
coag said he protected lsb both times.
if he protected lsb both times i would have been dead if i converted coagulation
i feel like this is a nail in the coffin. i couldnt think at the end of the night yesterday because i was annoyed and tired, which you could easily see and tried to pressure me even more trying to make me post not completely mafia proof posts
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On November 19 2010 07:05 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 07:04 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 05:21 Pandain wrote:Why Glasse's claim of shrink does not fit(Also an Analysis of his posts)Summary: glasse has not played pro town this game. He has offered poor advice, has played scummily, made contradictions, and says to have performed actions which simply do not make sense. Dr. H was right when he pinned Glasse/kenpachi as the mafia team. I urge you to read this post, and not just skim it, as I bring up very good points here.
His Posts:On November 12 2010 21:01 Glasse wrote:
Sup, i'm finally unbanned (longest 2 days ever)
I feel like the doctor and the other thing that can protect shouldnt roleclaim. Not yet at least :3
So many bad things can happen :3 First post and it already bodes ill for him. Note his relunctance to roleclaim. Now, its obvious he feels that doctors/shrinks shouldn't roleclaim, because bad things can happen. Yet he claims he's shrink almost immediately after I reveal I'm shrink. That doesn't add up. Also note he calls shrink "that other thing." doesn't he know the role if he is it? Obviously i fucking instantly roleclaimed, i felt like the fact that everyone thought he was confirmed because no one counter claimed would of worked my way, i instantly posted when i saw your comment because i was excited we confirmed a mafia member. Also, an easy way to make people think i'm not flash is to not even know how to call it So then
1.Why would you thought another person wouldn't have claimed when LSB did(thus confirming him
2.But here you said they shouldn't, you at the very least showed strong relunctance to roleclaim. But merely one minute later you roleclaim, showing no hesitation. one minute later? more like 2 game days later. things change with time you know? it was good for me to claim when i did because then i could prove you are 100% the last mafiaOn November 13 2010 00:42 Glasse wrote:
wait so if i get this right, mafia gets a free kp on night 1 and basically the medic/shrink/whatever will have to randomly guess who to protect?
did i get that wrong?
sounds kinda silly Clarifies rules. On November 13 2010 05:48 Glasse wrote:
what if that's what he want to he can convert, not die and then mafia has 3 ppl after night 1. :3
typing with this new keyboard feels so awesome
happy cat is happy look at him!
:3 First post against LSB(who has been revealed Town tracker.) Says that he could just be really a mafia who fake claimed tracker(despite the fact if the real tracker claimed that plan would be ruined.) So this statement is very leaning towards anti town, especially since LSB has already said he's confirmed because no other tracker has claimed. Ends with spam. So you are avoiding my whole argument i did with you a couple pages ago to point this out AGAIN because it can help you in a way. No, he was not 100% confirmed and i explained why before. If the real detective didnt want to claim yet incase he would die and/or cause chaos to town I'm not avoiding your argument. I'm pointint out inconsitincies. Like here you disagree with the previous post. In the case where you were a real shrink, why would you immediately claim if you caught a fake claim(hypothetical me), yet think that this person wouldn't?
And why would it matter if he dies if he caught a mafia i've been pointing out inconsistencies. And like i just answered to the last part, 2 game days = different plays are good. it would matter if he died because a detective day 2 and 3 can still be really helpful and he has even more chances of finding something goodOn November 13 2010 05:55 Glasse wrote:On November 12 2010 12:09 Coagulation wrote:
5. Glasse
Posting quality and town contribution fluctuates based on his roles he receives
if hes got a role hes not happy with hes pretty bad
if hes got a decent role he contributes alot
i played 2 games total you can't really base yourself on that Later says its obvious he always role claims fast, which contradicts as mentioned previously and with this statement. i like how you only remember things that helps you try to down me lol. the way i post and myself roleclaiming fast don't really mean the same thing, Also i wanted to be jaedong, fuck flash :3 of course i do, because then I can find mafia. that's like the worst answer in history of bad answers, also remember that irl, when a killer remembers exactly everything he did on a given night where he is suspected, he is always a lot more suspicious than the guy that forget stuff because it feels planned, just like you right nowOn November 13 2010 11:56 Glasse wrote:
i feel like this is going nowhere right now :3
we need to do stuff if we wanna stop them from convincing everyone to touch childrens inapropriately And this doesn't help :/ On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote:
i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3
doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well VERY ANTI TOWN. First, as already noted, shrink had to have protected LSB because he was confirmed, and tracker. Note that Glasse's claimed reason for not protecting LSB was that "he was not confirmed." Going further, why would Glasse protect himself? Did he really think he was in danger of being MCed? Furthormore, he now claims this proves he DID protect himself night one. However, all it really proves is that he has been anti town in his "shrink" actions. So that doesn't even add up. In addition having the doctor rng was a very bad idea. Mafia, as long as their not dumb, will never rng. Kills always have a purpose. Even worse, having the doctor RNG was even worse(doesn't protect LSB[wtf], can protect mafia, doesn't use noggin). bringing this up again, jesus fucking christ, i explained it earlier in my answers. he was not 100% confirmed, i was not necessarily in danger of getting mc'd i just thought it'd be a better choice to keep myself as town instead of another random person that could have ended up being mafia as well. Also you really like to press on that "rng is dumb for doctor" because you really thought about it AS YOU WERE THE DOCTOR AT THAT POINT and disagree with me on that point\ Same point as above. But again, why would you be in danger of being Mced? And if you protected a mafia, nothing bad would happen. And you weren't going to die(unless mafia were extra weird for some reason), so why would you protect yourself?
I don't have to be doctor to now that a doctor rnging his protection is pretty anti town. i answered this tons of times, not doing it again because you "forget"On November 15 2010 01:15 Glasse wrote:i wonder if mafia will try to hit the more experienced ppl or maybe we should lynch the most experienced ppl because they can manipulate easier Says to lynch the expierenced people.... yea, the reason why i said it is true, i wouldnt want to lynch you early because your abilities to analyse suck I caught kenpachi...caught you On November 15 2010 10:18 Glasse wrote:
can you really vote for no one?
also i would not do that, it makes it much easier to manipulate a vote for mafia if over half of the town doesnt even vote says he is against not voting. of course, 2 kills per mafia a night is fucking dangerous, i'd rather take a chance and maybe catch one. and if you look, i voted kenpachi which ended up being an actual mafia This wasn't accusing you actually lol. This was actually something pro town that you did! randomly voting for lurker like i do every game isnt pro town, you are saying it is because right now it makes you look betterOn November 15 2010 21:05 Glasse wrote:On November 15 2010 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 15 2010 12:17 Pandain wrote:I knew I would regret it. Yet now if i withdraw vote I look scummy But again, who else do you think is a good lynch? well you look like scum to me coagulation is our worst player i don't trust glasse's inactivity and iirc he made a kinda bad scummy post on me but that could have been in kingmaker, i don't exactly remember On November 15 2010 12:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
glasse wasn't even in kingmaker so it was in this game what? where? Also coag, you're asking for it.. i was planning on being quiet but helpful, now i must unleash the derp. Also, going to vote for a lurker ##Vote: Kenpachi
Can we get an official vote count? Goes against previous statement, votes for Kenpachi. Now, this may seem very "pro town" at first, seeing as kenpachi later turned out to be scum. But let's go in detail about this vote, and why in reality it put kenpachi in no danger. At that time, that was the very first vote for kenpachi. THE VERY FIRST VOTE. The votes to lynch no one was ahead by two votes, and doctor h had two votes. I was the only one who had to vote. Mafia go against other mafia all the time to lend town cred for later stages of the game. Ace did it hardcore against me in insane mafia, as well as RoL. Rather than take the actions at face value, what you have to do is go beyond and see what they really meant. As in, did they have any true effect? This vote, at that time, did not. It was merely giving him "brownie points" when really kenpachi was in no real danger. Now, glasse never posted after this vote. I think it's a safe assumption to assume he did not come back until at least after I voted for kenpachi(which it was still safe for kenpachi.) Kenpachi was never in any real danger, therefore glasse's vote for him does not confirm him. wait how the fuck am i going against my previous statement, i was AGAINST voting for no one. Also 21h KST is around when i usually leave for college i think, so thats why i came back later
maybe he wasnt in real danger, that's true, but he could have been as i left after i voted and it could have ended badly My bad, I concede. Still, that really wasn't a main point. Now respond to the other 10 contradictions. Now your appealing to speculation, "well...maybe..." is common argument for scum when their lying. On November 16 2010 10:10 Glasse wrote:On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam. Yea, because obviously me trying to get him lynched hes my teamate On November 16 2010 07:27 LSB wrote:
Youngminii, please shoot glasse or Kenpachi. They're kinof inactive. i can start spamming instead of posting constructive comments every once in a while if you want, i thought people were mad at my super cat powers in insane mafia... i just don't feel like letting everyone know my thoughts on EVERYTHING all the time... if it bothers you so much i'll do it Already adressed as glasse hardly tried to get kenpachi lynched. Says he doesn't want people to know what he's thinking(what). i thought what drh said in insane mafia was true, telling everything you know to everyone can often harm the town more than it can help But not at all? wat? he explained it very well at the begining of this game and i thought it made senseOn November 16 2010 10:14 Glasse wrote:
i just dont have anything important to say :3
SORRY! Apologizing for not contributing. Again, note that this is how I caught kenpachi(in addition to other things.) This just reeks of inherent guilt, apologizing for not contributing. yea, i felt bad for not helping the town, if you really thought what you just said is true you would have said it earlier, not now where you desperatly need to prove i'm mafia to get your mafia win. I WONT FUCKING LET YOU WIN TWICE IN A ROW and if i was mafia you could be 100% sure i would have fucking killed you night 1 because i hate you Again, if you felt bad why didn't you help? And what are you talking about, this is the first time I'm really analyzing you, and trust me, town is gonna win this one. yea we are about to win right now, thanks to your useless pressure you are trying to put on us to force us to believe you arent mafia. also i suck at helping when i cant easily back myself up with proven stuff like i am doing right nowOn November 16 2010 10:25 Glasse wrote:On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote:
What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument? i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. Now, this does mean something. What's happening right now? YM is dead, and he was going to either (in most liklihood) shoot kenpachi or Dr. H. Now, glasse finally comes in, and puts suscipcion on dr. h. So this actually DOES mean something. Also note dr. h was town. yea, i dont remember drh posting posts as big as this one before to prove a point that could have been proven in a much shorter way, i thought he was trying to hide something, which i also explained later Because by posting alot, your hiding something. I see. *sacrcasm* posting a lot =/= posting a huge fucking 30 page long essay. but then if you go by your logic, you are posting quite a whole lot right now, which i'm just answeringOn November 16 2010 23:07 Glasse wrote:
honestly i would've hit kenpachi :3
this sucks Alright, wtf. why didn't you say this before. Now, I now previously you were responding to how you felt about me vs dr. h, but seriously this kind of stuff is important. Also note this is AFTER Dr. H was already shot, so he can say whatever he says he "felt" really :/. what i said about drh wasnt a fucking accusation, it was a suspicion, my vote was still on kenpachi because he was lurking way 2 much Of course, why would you outright accuse him. You can be scum and lay suscipcion on someone without actually accusing them. Stop taking my points, and taking them to the extreme so their not true. And btw this was after YM was already lynched, so kenpachi vote didn't matter i answered why i thought drh could have been red countless times now, stop "forgetting" itOn November 17 2010 23:41 Glasse wrote:
wait kenpachi commited suicide but artanis isnt red now?
YES someone got protected by flash! Yes, and it wasn't you. Note that this really just shows he's not flash, that that was just a spur of the moment decision to combat my claim as flash. Note that how would this work since he claims he protected LSB night two. Doesn't add up. nope, no one was protected by flash, as it was also explained to me later, lsb found out that you were visited. i thought kenpachi had suicided on lsb at first, so i was really fucking happy. There's no way to prove whether or not this is true so I'll leave it at that. okOn November 18 2010 04:34 Glasse wrote:
we cant leave pandain alive, he could just sacrifice himself then we lose track of everything. Again, if he's flash couldn't he protect from the "evil pandain?" Also note he hasn't voted for me either, so he's saying and not doing. herp derp durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i don't have 100% chance to pick the same target as mafia with my shrink Again, taking it to the extreme. If you were telling the truth, why not just have LSB track me, and if I was mafia, you could see who i Mced. you got converted night 2, he didnt live night 3 so he couldnt track you. also converted mafia cant convertOn November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote:
ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.
kthez or coag are mafia Claims he's flash. On November 18 2010 06:20 Glasse wrote:
i protected myself night 1 and lsb night 2. Now let's analyze these choices. Now, obviously protecting himself night one for the reasons he did was very anti town. And why would he protect LSB if he was still unsure of his alignment? In addition, why would he protect himself night one. 1.Did he really think mafia would try to sacrifice one of their own to get him?(you might be pretty decent but your not incognito or something) 2.Did he really think HE was more likely to get Mced than LSB, or even Artanis/Dr. H?(or i, but I'm not as amazing) These choices just don't fit. night 1 wasnt anti town, i explained it many times
i realize stuff while im typing a post and i realized lsb still wasnt 100% and i had protected him, which could've been bad
oh and about night 2, i really thought about shrinking artanis instead of lsb, because they are both good and i ended up picking lsb It was anti town. Respond to the core argument, you were in no danger, so why would you protect yourself. And now you admit your second protection was bad(even though it was actually good since LSB WAS confirmed, see earlier. The last sentence is irrelevant. nope, it was not anti town at all, i also answered this many times, which you conveniently "forgot"On November 18 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 06:20 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote:
ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.
kthez or coag are mafia And we caught the second mafia. yea, kthez or coag maybe even lsb... his claim could be fake :3 crap This doesn't fit either. So he isn't sure of LSB's alignment even now(yet protected him the previous night), and thinks he found a mafia(me) because of what LSB(who he doesn't know is confirmed) says? Sorry if that's worded weird. But furthormore, LSB is obviously confirmed. o hai i just answered this, sometimes i realize stuff while im posting, or right after
a bit after i also realized there was no way he wasnt detective Respond above. yep, i sure didOn November 18 2010 06:23 Glasse wrote:
facepalm, please dont believe him :3
who cares if i went against the town consensus, i thought i should protect myself until i know more and not chance having mafia get 3 because their sacrifice didnt actually die Thus begins his great "proof" of being shrink, that you guys shouldn't believe me. The second sentence, read it. "Who cares if I went against the town consensus". That is a VERY mafia-esque statement. going furthor, here he reveals he didn't protect LSB because he didn't think LSB was town(at the very least not neccesarily). On November 18 2010 08:42 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 06:30 LSB wrote:
-maintains radio silence-
Keep a clean thread for the final day please
(I tracked Pandain) (did he leave his house?) Why would you have to ask this if your the real shrink? If you were real(and thus I fake), you would already know. because if you didnt leave your house, you were bulletproof (which kthez is) and if you did leave, you were doctor (and you are), at that point i was making my list that i posted shortly after Would it matter if I was mafia? if you left your house because you were mafia, kthez has to be doctor and not bulletproof, which doesnt make sense
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alright i'm out for a bit, lets see how many things you dodge when i get back.
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On November 20 2010 04:41 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 21:07 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 13:27 Pandain wrote:
I don't understand why you think Glasse is more "townie" than me...
It's more symbolic than anything, you can always change. But the fact is no one is confirmed, and I'm begging you to be open.
Can't you find it anywhere, don't you even think a tiny bit that what I say is true? Don't you have at least a sliver of doubt on glasse because of my analysis? Or the contradictions I've shown? Or his misleading statements?
or because you contradicted yourself a whole lot to make me look bad or your misleading posts that twist my words your way Back up those statements. Anyway... time to prove my innocence. Please read this whole post Why it is more likely Glasse is mafia than me. Right now, the only thing glasse has to “prove” as a possible mafia is the fact that kenpachi tried to convert me. And now you KtheZ has been saying that “its more likely your just lying rather than that coag actually protected glasse”. But is it? Here you will see that it’s really not. Why is my story more likely than glasses? Because if you believe my story, everything fits. If you believe glasse, nothing does. actually if you listen to your own arguments about that scum guide you read, most of what you are doing is following that guide way to say nothing If you believe glasse, than why would coag(who he claims has been my scum buddy) vote me SO QUICKLY after lsb tracked kenpachi. LSB said it right, coag would have waited if we were linked). But if you believe me, it makes perfect sense. Perfect opportunity to try to frame me as scum. you were trying to prove that i was mafia due to me voting for the 2 other dead mafias before, remember that? I'm showing it doesn't make you innocent, in fact it might make sense. Don't twist my words If you believe glasse, then why would he protect himself night one when he was in no real danger technically i was in more danger than the possibly fake detective, who was most likely to be protected to the eyes of mafia, which yourself, said previously. Again, there was no chance he was fake. Furthormore, of course you wouldn't. Why would they try to convert you , not dr. h, not lsb, not even me. why would they convert you. If you believe me, it makes perfect sense. I was doing what the town had already decided, that LSB was indeed confirmed and must be protected. yea, you did protect him as medic, and see what happened? someone else got shot, because mafia knew the doctor and me would probably protect him. Now if i look back in time i should probably have shrunk a vet instead of me, but at that time i just wanted to make sure i don't end up on mafia Again, it makes sense if coag was detective. And again, why would they try to hit you. You're not doing what a real shrink would do. If you believe me, then it makes perfect sense why glasse voted coag. If you believe glasse, then why wouldn’t I have done the same. yea it makes sense, he was a confirmed mafia which we picked by having you fake claim, him lying about being doctor, kthez claiming bulletproof and other game events which lead to coag and you being the 2 mafia left, i don't really get the second part, it just sounds like you are trying to confuse us Or it makes sense because then you can get to late game and tout that your confirmed when your not, and then get me lynched If you believe me, it makes perfect sense why I stated that coag was mafia. If you believe glasse, it doesn’t. ?? explain I said coag was mafia, before he got killed. I said he was CERTAINLY mafia. If you believe me, it makes perfect sense why coag acted so insincere when being voted by glasse, because it was planned. If you believe glasse, you are going even farther into speculation, that me and coag planned that, even though I later said coag was 100% mafia. he acted insincere? so him just right out posting hes mafia after hes obviously dead is not being sincere and somewhat stupid like he always play?
no, if you believe pandain you go farther into speculation actually. assuming that the red name wouldnt change, when it obviously would is one part of it. i made lists and proved em with actions that previously happened that was probably sincere because i could see him doing that. Why would we have him come out and claim mafia if we were scum buddies? Furthormore, its in the rules. If you believe me, my night actions make perfect sense. If you believe glasse, they don’t. my night actions don't make sense? how so? i explained it countless times and it make sense. that is just being mad because i was right by thinking lsb wouldnt be hit and you wasted your doctor night action Again, you were in no danger to get shot. Why would you have protected yourself? WHY. And you kept claiming that LSB was possibly mafia, when it was obvious he was not. If you believe me, it makes pefect sense why glasse tried to lay suscipcion on doctor h while youngminii was deciding who to shoot. If you believe glasse, it makes no sense why he would do that and later say kenpachi shouldv’e been shot. If you believe me, it makes pefect sense he wasnt deciding who to shoot when i said that, was he? and of course i would be suspicious of drh, if you would ahve fucking read why i did which i explained tons of time but you keep "forgetting" it on purposeif you are believed about what? Of course he was deciding. Caught in a lie here. And I'm not forgetting anything. Isn't it convienant you happen to not accuse kenpachi, but lay suscipcion on dr. h during this critical time, but you had seemed to oppose kenpachi beforehands? If you believe me, you are voting because or reason, because of informed decisions, because of analysis and because of the foundations of scum hunting, the same which led me to pin kenpachi. If you believe glasse, you are relying on one statement, one that I am proving doesn’t make me more likely mafia as he loves to claim, you are relying on flawed arguments and unverifiable justificatiosn. Furthormore, there is no proof that Glasse is actually shrink other than that he claimed. Let me say that again, there is no verification of his claim. But LSB tracked me night one, and saw that I visited him. Glasse now claims I must’ve been a converted doctor, but why would coag have claimed that? Think about it, coag claiming doctor(if he was already converted) makes perfect sense, he would know no other person had that. everythin fits together with my story i owned you on those points already yesterday night. Lol... you may want to read it again. It ended when I demolished the foundation of your "proof" that I'm scum: that mafia can both mc. Glasse says that the fact he voted for kenpachi proves he’s innocent. But what I’ve been saying, and he fails to counter, is the fact that that placed kenpachi in no real danger, that voting him simply could gain and not lose, so really that proves nothing. In fact, once you take the fact that Glasse says he wanted kenpachi to be shot, but the only thing he said was that Dr. H was probably hiding something(YM was going to shoot kenpachi/dr. h), everything fits together with my story:Glasse is mafia. see coag's instant vote on pandain
exactly. Why would he do that. It is not unlikely at all that my story is true. I have verification of my role, while glasse’s claim of shrink is backed only by his word. you don't have proof, you have proof that you are either doctor or shrink, not that you are shrink, which i said more than once as well More than you have, no? You see, what you don't want KtheZ to realize is that I have more proof that I'm actually the real shrink than you, who has just your word. Since there is no real way to confirm who is mafia, YOU MUST LOOK AT ANALYSIS. You must see that glasse DOES NOT want that to happen, he wants to just vote without letting debate happen(like he already did.) He has used unverifiable claims(I was afk) and bad reasoning(see above) and his defense boils down to: “Your scummy, but I won’t say why.” What has glasse proven about me? Nothing. dude the debate is happening, this is just trying to push him to do something he doesnt want to do What He has not analyzed me(wonder why) He has not responded after I decimated his response to my analysis. i didnt even see it, i'll go back sure Note that I always win the debates, and I firmly believe the truth always wins, because scum must resort to assumptions while I am backed by facts. my story fits, Glasse’s does not . rofl, i feel like i said something like that previously and you are trying to turn it back on me, how cute I have been winning the debate, you always end with "I don't want to debate" or "Screw you". Everything makes sense according to my story -Glasse votes coag because it was actually the best option -LSB tracked me to him because I protected him as shrink -Coag voted me so early because they wanted to get me lynched -I said coag was 100% mafia before he was suddenly killed because I am town. -Glasse said Dr. H was trying to hide something(later says kenpachi should’ve been shot, yet didn’t say anything then) -Glasse said LSB was not confirmed, and even to the previous day has been insuting he was possibly mafia. Glasse has been playing anti town from the start, proven by my analysis, from signs of feeling inherent guilt to suggesting doctor should RNG(probably got coag to too :/). Note how our debates always have ended with me winning, except for those 3 things I admit don’t PROVE he’s mafia 100%(he can’t respond to the other 10 of course.) But Glasse doesn’t admit anything, as if he doesn’t want to. Glasse still is saying I’m “confirmed” mafia, and spouting that nonsense for this whole day. And it took me forever just to prove he was bsing all that. Note that our debates always end with me finally slamming down the basic foundatiosn of his argument, and then he just says “I don’t want to argue…” ITS BECAUSE HE CANT. I hope this shows why I am the real shrink, how everything fits together if you belive me and things don’t if you believe him. Please, remember, no one is confirmed to be one alignment or another, analysis must and will come into play no matter how much he doesn’t want that to happen. herp derp bunch of shit i already denied Denied, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.
On November 20 2010 06:33 Glasse wrote:
oh also, your assumption is that i am original mafia and coag is doctor right?
coag said he protected lsb both times.
if he protected lsb both times i would have been dead if i converted coagulation
i feel like this is a nail in the coffin. i couldnt think at the end of the night yesterday because i was annoyed and tired, which you could easily see and tried to pressure me even more trying to make me post not completely mafia proof posts
Stop trying to make situations that aren't there. Coag was mafia, mafia lies. If he had said he protected you, you would've been revealed.
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On November 19 2010 05:21 Pandain wrote:Why Glasse's claim of shrink does not fit(Also an Analysis of his posts)Summary: glasse has not played pro town this game. He has offered poor advice, has played scummily, made contradictions, and says to have performed actions which simply do not make sense. Dr. H was right when he pinned Glasse/kenpachi as the mafia team. I urge you to read this post, and not just skim it, as I bring up very good points here.
His Posts:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 21:01 Glasse wrote:
Sup, i'm finally unbanned (longest 2 days ever)
I feel like the doctor and the other thing that can protect shouldnt roleclaim. Not yet at least :3
So many bad things can happen :3 First post and it already bodes ill for him. Note his relunctance to roleclaim. Now, its obvious he feels that doctors/shrinks shouldn't roleclaim, because bad things can happen. Yet he claims he's shrink almost immediately after I reveal I'm shrink. That doesn't add up. Also note he calls shrink "that other thing." doesn't he know the role if he is it? Obviously i fucking instantly roleclaimed, i felt like the fact that everyone thought he was confirmed because no one counter claimed would of worked my way, i instantly posted when i saw your comment because i was excited we confirmed a mafia member. Also, an easy way to make people think i'm not flash is to not even know how to call it So then
1.Why would you thought another person wouldn't have claimed when LSB did(thus confirming him
2.But here you said they shouldn't, you at the very least showed strong relunctance to roleclaim. But merely one minute later you roleclaim, showing no hesitation. one minute later? more like 2 game days later. things change with time you know? it was good for me to claim when i did because then i could prove you are 100% the last mafia One minute after I claimed, I'm talking about. Again, you can say "oh i changed my opinion", but that is a very easy excuse to make, and I don't buy it. Especially when you say no one would counter claim LSB for this reason, yet you do. Doesn't add up.Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 00:42 Glasse wrote:
wait so if i get this right, mafia gets a free kp on night 1 and basically the medic/shrink/whatever will have to randomly guess who to protect?
did i get that wrong?
sounds kinda silly Clarifies rules. Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 05:48 Glasse wrote:
what if that's what he want to he can convert, not die and then mafia has 3 ppl after night 1. :3
typing with this new keyboard feels so awesome
happy cat is happy look at him!
:3 First post against LSB(who has been revealed Town tracker.) Says that he could just be really a mafia who fake claimed tracker(despite the fact if the real tracker claimed that plan would be ruined.) So this statement is very leaning towards anti town, especially since LSB has already said he's confirmed because no other tracker has claimed. Ends with spam. So you are avoiding my whole argument i did with you a couple pages ago to point this out AGAIN because it can help you in a way. No, he was not 100% confirmed and i explained why before. If the real detective didnt want to claim yet incase he would die and/or cause chaos to town I'm not avoiding your argument. I'm pointint out inconsitincies. Like here you disagree with the previous post. In the case where you were a real shrink, why would you immediately claim if you caught a fake claim(hypothetical me), yet think that this person wouldn't?
And why would it matter if he dies if he caught a mafia i've been pointing out inconsistencies. And like i just answered to the last part, 2 game days = different plays are good. it would matter if he died because a detective day 2 and 3 can still be really helpful and he has even more chances of finding something good You've pointed out nothing. Nothing about me. Again, anyone can say "my opinions changed" if caught in a contradiction, but it still points towards your true alignment. And a shrink isn't good? Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 05:55 Glasse wrote:On November 12 2010 12:09 Coagulation wrote:
5. Glasse
Posting quality and town contribution fluctuates based on his roles he receives
if hes got a role hes not happy with hes pretty bad
if hes got a decent role he contributes alot
i played 2 games total you can't really base yourself on that Later says its obvious he always role claims fast, which contradicts as mentioned previously and with this statement. i like how you only remember things that helps you try to down me lol. the way i post and myself roleclaiming fast don't really mean the same thing, Also i wanted to be jaedong, fuck flash :3 of course i do, because then I can find mafia. that's like the worst answer in history of bad answers, also remember that irl, when a killer remembers exactly everything he did on a given night where he is suspected, he is always a lot more suspicious than the guy that forget stuff because it feels planned, just like you right now Ya, because if i know your scum i should just find all the reasons you might seem pro town. I see...Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 11:56 Glasse wrote:
i feel like this is going nowhere right now :3
we need to do stuff if we wanna stop them from convincing everyone to touch childrens inapropriately And this doesn't help :/ Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote:
i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3
doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well VERY ANTI TOWN. First, as already noted, shrink had to have protected LSB because he was confirmed, and tracker. Note that Glasse's claimed reason for not protecting LSB was that "he was not confirmed." Going further, why would Glasse protect himself? Did he really think he was in danger of being MCed? Furthormore, he now claims this proves he DID protect himself night one. However, all it really proves is that he has been anti town in his "shrink" actions. So that doesn't even add up. In addition having the doctor rng was a very bad idea. Mafia, as long as their not dumb, will never rng. Kills always have a purpose. Even worse, having the doctor RNG was even worse(doesn't protect LSB[wtf], can protect mafia, doesn't use noggin). bringing this up again, jesus fucking christ, i explained it earlier in my answers. he was not 100% confirmed, i was not necessarily in danger of getting mc'd i just thought it'd be a better choice to keep myself as town instead of another random person that could have ended up being mafia as well. Also you really like to press on that "rng is dumb for doctor" because you really thought about it AS YOU WERE THE DOCTOR AT THAT POINT and disagree with me on that point\ Same point as above. But again, why would you be in danger of being Mced? And if you protected a mafia, nothing bad would happen. And you weren't going to die(unless mafia were extra weird for some reason), so why would you protect yourself?
I don't have to be doctor to now that a doctor rnging his protection is pretty anti town. i answered this tons of times, not doing it again because you "forget".
Your answers lack those of a townie's perspective. Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 01:15 Glasse wrote:i wonder if mafia will try to hit the more experienced ppl or maybe we should lynch the most experienced ppl because they can manipulate easier Says to lynch the expierenced people.... yea, the reason why i said it is true, i wouldnt want to lynch you early because your abilities to analyse suck I caught kenpachi...caught you Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 10:18 Glasse wrote:
can you really vote for no one?
also i would not do that, it makes it much easier to manipulate a vote for mafia if over half of the town doesnt even vote says he is against not voting. of course, 2 kills per mafia a night is fucking dangerous, i'd rather take a chance and maybe catch one. and if you look, i voted kenpachi which ended up being an actual mafia This wasn't accusing you actually lol. This was actually something pro town that you did! randomly voting for lurker like i do every game isnt pro town, you are saying it is because right now it makes you look better Wait, so your saying your not pro town?
Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 21:05 Glasse wrote:On November 15 2010 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 15 2010 12:17 Pandain wrote:I knew I would regret it. Yet now if i withdraw vote I look scummy But again, who else do you think is a good lynch? well you look like scum to me coagulation is our worst player i don't trust glasse's inactivity and iirc he made a kinda bad scummy post on me but that could have been in kingmaker, i don't exactly remember On November 15 2010 12:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
glasse wasn't even in kingmaker so it was in this game what? where? Also coag, you're asking for it.. i was planning on being quiet but helpful, now i must unleash the derp. Also, going to vote for a lurker ##Vote: Kenpachi
Can we get an official vote count? Goes against previous statement, votes for Kenpachi. Now, this may seem very "pro town" at first, seeing as kenpachi later turned out to be scum. But let's go in detail about this vote, and why in reality it put kenpachi in no danger. At that time, that was the very first vote for kenpachi. THE VERY FIRST VOTE. The votes to lynch no one was ahead by two votes, and doctor h had two votes. I was the only one who had to vote. Mafia go against other mafia all the time to lend town cred for later stages of the game. Ace did it hardcore against me in insane mafia, as well as RoL. Rather than take the actions at face value, what you have to do is go beyond and see what they really meant. As in, did they have any true effect? This vote, at that time, did not. It was merely giving him "brownie points" when really kenpachi was in no real danger. Now, glasse never posted after this vote. I think it's a safe assumption to assume he did not come back until at least after I voted for kenpachi(which it was still safe for kenpachi.) Kenpachi was never in any real danger, therefore glasse's vote for him does not confirm him. wait how the fuck am i going against my previous statement, i was AGAINST voting for no one. Also 21h KST is around when i usually leave for college i think, so thats why i came back later
maybe he wasnt in real danger, that's true, but he could have been as i left after i voted and it could have ended badly My bad, I concede. Still, that really wasn't a main point. Now respond to the other 10 contradictions. Now your appealing to speculation, "well...maybe..." is common argument for scum when their lying. Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 10:10 Glasse wrote:On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam. Yea, because obviously me trying to get him lynched hes my teamate On November 16 2010 07:27 LSB wrote:
Youngminii, please shoot glasse or Kenpachi. They're kinof inactive. i can start spamming instead of posting constructive comments every once in a while if you want, i thought people were mad at my super cat powers in insane mafia... i just don't feel like letting everyone know my thoughts on EVERYTHING all the time... if it bothers you so much i'll do it Already adressed as glasse hardly tried to get kenpachi lynched. Says he doesn't want people to know what he's thinking(what). i thought what drh said in insane mafia was true, telling everything you know to everyone can often harm the town more than it can help But not at all? wat? he explained it very well at the begining of this game and i thought it made sense I'm talking about you -.- Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 10:14 Glasse wrote:
i just dont have anything important to say :3
SORRY! Apologizing for not contributing. Again, note that this is how I caught kenpachi(in addition to other things.) This just reeks of inherent guilt, apologizing for not contributing. yea, i felt bad for not helping the town, if you really thought what you just said is true you would have said it earlier, not now where you desperatly need to prove i'm mafia to get your mafia win. I WONT FUCKING LET YOU WIN TWICE IN A ROW and if i was mafia you could be 100% sure i would have fucking killed you night 1 because i hate you Again, if you felt bad why didn't you help? And what are you talking about, this is the first time I'm really analyzing you, and trust me, town is gonna win this one. yea we are about to win right now, thanks to your useless pressure you are trying to put on us to force us to believe you arent mafia. also i suck at helping when i cant easily back myself up with proven stuff like i am doing right now First of all, pressure is never useless. Don't say me proving your scum is not to be done. And furthormore, you still can't back yourself up with proven stuff, and you still can't. Are you still really going to try to push that I'm "confirmed mafia?" Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 10:25 Glasse wrote:On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote:
What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument? i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. Now, this does mean something. What's happening right now? YM is dead, and he was going to either (in most liklihood) shoot kenpachi or Dr. H. Now, glasse finally comes in, and puts suscipcion on dr. h. So this actually DOES mean something. Also note dr. h was town. yea, i dont remember drh posting posts as big as this one before to prove a point that could have been proven in a much shorter way, i thought he was trying to hide something, which i also explained later Because by posting alot, your hiding something. I see. *sacrcasm* posting a lot =/= posting a huge fucking 30 page long essay. but then if you go by your logic, you are posting quite a whole lot right now, which i'm just answering That was sarcasm Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 23:07 Glasse wrote:
honestly i would've hit kenpachi :3
this sucks Alright, wtf. why didn't you say this before. Now, I now previously you were responding to how you felt about me vs dr. h, but seriously this kind of stuff is important. Also note this is AFTER Dr. H was already shot, so he can say whatever he says he "felt" really :/. what i said about drh wasnt a fucking accusation, it was a suspicion, my vote was still on kenpachi because he was lurking way 2 much Of course, why would you outright accuse him. You can be scum and lay suscipcion on someone without actually accusing them. Stop taking my points, and taking them to the extreme so their not true. And btw this was after YM was already lynched, so kenpachi vote didn't matter i answered why i thought drh could have been red countless times now, stop "forgetting" it I'm not forgetting it, I've bringing it up. I'm pointing out not that you laid suscipcion on dr. h, but that you did that while failing to give your opinion on kenpachi when he was ACTUALLY in danger. Instead, you just tried to incriminate Dr. H. Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 23:41 Glasse wrote:
wait kenpachi commited suicide but artanis isnt red now?
YES someone got protected by flash! Yes, and it wasn't you. Note that this really just shows he's not flash, that that was just a spur of the moment decision to combat my claim as flash. Note that how would this work since he claims he protected LSB night two. Doesn't add up. nope, no one was protected by flash, as it was also explained to me later, lsb found out that you were visited. i thought kenpachi had suicided on lsb at first, so i was really fucking happy. There's no way to prove whether or not this is true so I'll leave it at that. okShow nested quote +On November 18 2010 04:34 Glasse wrote:
we cant leave pandain alive, he could just sacrifice himself then we lose track of everything. Again, if he's flash couldn't he protect from the "evil pandain?" Also note he hasn't voted for me either, so he's saying and not doing. herp derp durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i don't have 100% chance to pick the same target as mafia with my shrink Again, taking it to the extreme. If you were telling the truth, why not just have LSB track me, and if I was mafia, you could see who i Mced. you got converted night 2, he didnt live night 3 so he couldnt track you. also converted mafia cant convert Your right. This actually helps my side, I don't know mafia rules as well as you do =D Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote:
ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.
kthez or coag are mafia Claims he's flash. Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 06:20 Glasse wrote:
i protected myself night 1 and lsb night 2. Now let's analyze these choices. Now, obviously protecting himself night one for the reasons he did was very anti town. And why would he protect LSB if he was still unsure of his alignment? In addition, why would he protect himself night one. 1.Did he really think mafia would try to sacrifice one of their own to get him?(you might be pretty decent but your not incognito or something) 2.Did he really think HE was more likely to get Mced than LSB, or even Artanis/Dr. H?(or i, but I'm not as amazing) These choices just don't fit. night 1 wasnt anti town, i explained it many times
i realize stuff while im typing a post and i realized lsb still wasnt 100% and i had protected him, which could've been bad
oh and about night 2, i really thought about shrinking artanis instead of lsb, because they are both good and i ended up picking lsb It was anti town. Respond to the core argument, you were in no danger, so why would you protect yourself. And now you admit your second protection was bad(even though it was actually good since LSB WAS confirmed, see earlier. The last sentence is irrelevant. nope, it was not anti town at all, i also answered this many times, which you conveniently "forgot" Again, I'm not forgetting. You're just not answering, or you fail to respond to my reasons why this or that points to you as scum. Like even here you fail to respond to arguments where I have won. And again, this WAS anti town. Protecting yourself when you were in no danger, why would any real shrink do that?Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 06:20 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote:
ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.
kthez or coag are mafia And we caught the second mafia. yea, kthez or coag maybe even lsb... his claim could be fake :3 crap This doesn't fit either. So he isn't sure of LSB's alignment even now(yet protected him the previous night), and thinks he found a mafia(me) because of what LSB(who he doesn't know is confirmed) says? Sorry if that's worded weird. But furthormore, LSB is obviously confirmed. o hai i just answered this, sometimes i realize stuff while im posting, or right after
a bit after i also realized there was no way he wasnt detective Respond above. yep, i sure did koo beans Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 06:23 Glasse wrote:
facepalm, please dont believe him :3
who cares if i went against the town consensus, i thought i should protect myself until i know more and not chance having mafia get 3 because their sacrifice didnt actually die Thus begins his great "proof" of being shrink, that you guys shouldn't believe me. The second sentence, read it. "Who cares if I went against the town consensus". That is a VERY mafia-esque statement. going furthor, here he reveals he didn't protect LSB because he didn't think LSB was town(at the very least not neccesarily). Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 08:42 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 06:30 LSB wrote:
-maintains radio silence-
Keep a clean thread for the final day please
(I tracked Pandain) (did he leave his house?) Why would you have to ask this if your the real shrink? If you were real(and thus I fake), you would already know. because if you didnt leave your house, you were bulletproof (which kthez is) and if you did leave, you were doctor (and you are), at that point i was making my list that i posted shortly after Would it matter if I was mafia? if you left your house because you were mafia, kthez has to be doctor and not bulletproof, which doesnt make sense ah, so you were trying to find the other's roles. I guess that might seem fishy, but you could just be trying to help find the roles. So this is interperet able.
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I hope your reading this KtheZ, i want you to make an informed decision.
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On November 20 2010 07:34 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 04:41 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 21:07 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 13:27 Pandain wrote:
I don't understand why you think Glasse is more "townie" than me...
It's more symbolic than anything, you can always change. But the fact is no one is confirmed, and I'm begging you to be open.
Can't you find it anywhere, don't you even think a tiny bit that what I say is true? Don't you have at least a sliver of doubt on glasse because of my analysis? Or the contradictions I've shown? Or his misleading statements?
or because you contradicted yourself a whole lot to make me look bad or your misleading posts that twist my words your way Back up those statements. Anyway... time to prove my innocence. Please read this whole post Why it is more likely Glasse is mafia than me. Right now, the only thing glasse has to “prove” as a possible mafia is the fact that kenpachi tried to convert me. And now you KtheZ has been saying that “its more likely your just lying rather than that coag actually protected glasse”. But is it? Here you will see that it’s really not. Why is my story more likely than glasses? Because if you believe my story, everything fits. If you believe glasse, nothing does. actually if you listen to your own arguments about that scum guide you read, most of what you are doing is following that guide way to say nothing If you believe glasse, than why would coag(who he claims has been my scum buddy) vote me SO QUICKLY after lsb tracked kenpachi. LSB said it right, coag would have waited if we were linked). But if you believe me, it makes perfect sense. Perfect opportunity to try to frame me as scum. you were trying to prove that i was mafia due to me voting for the 2 other dead mafias before, remember that? I'm showing it doesn't make you innocent, in fact it might make sense. Don't twist my words If you believe glasse, then why would he protect himself night one when he was in no real danger technically i was in more danger than the possibly fake detective, who was most likely to be protected to the eyes of mafia, which yourself, said previously. Again, there was no chance he was fake. Furthormore, of course you wouldn't. Why would they try to convert you , not dr. h, not lsb, not even me. why would they convert you. If you believe me, it makes perfect sense. I was doing what the town had already decided, that LSB was indeed confirmed and must be protected. yea, you did protect him as medic, and see what happened? someone else got shot, because mafia knew the doctor and me would probably protect him. Now if i look back in time i should probably have shrunk a vet instead of me, but at that time i just wanted to make sure i don't end up on mafia Again, it makes sense if coag was detective. And again, why would they try to hit you. You're not doing what a real shrink would do. If you believe me, then it makes perfect sense why glasse voted coag. If you believe glasse, then why wouldn’t I have done the same. yea it makes sense, he was a confirmed mafia which we picked by having you fake claim, him lying about being doctor, kthez claiming bulletproof and other game events which lead to coag and you being the 2 mafia left, i don't really get the second part, it just sounds like you are trying to confuse us Or it makes sense because then you can get to late game and tout that your confirmed when your not, and then get me lynched If you believe me, it makes perfect sense why I stated that coag was mafia. If you believe glasse, it doesn’t. ?? explain I said coag was mafia, before he got killed. I said he was CERTAINLY mafia. If you believe me, it makes perfect sense why coag acted so insincere when being voted by glasse, because it was planned. If you believe glasse, you are going even farther into speculation, that me and coag planned that, even though I later said coag was 100% mafia. he acted insincere? so him just right out posting hes mafia after hes obviously dead is not being sincere and somewhat stupid like he always play?
no, if you believe pandain you go farther into speculation actually. assuming that the red name wouldnt change, when it obviously would is one part of it. i made lists and proved em with actions that previously happened that was probably sincere because i could see him doing that. Why would we have him come out and claim mafia if we were scum buddies? Furthormore, its in the rules. If you believe me, my night actions make perfect sense. If you believe glasse, they don’t. my night actions don't make sense? how so? i explained it countless times and it make sense. that is just being mad because i was right by thinking lsb wouldnt be hit and you wasted your doctor night action Again, you were in no danger to get shot. Why would you have protected yourself? WHY. And you kept claiming that LSB was possibly mafia, when it was obvious he was not. If you believe me, it makes pefect sense why glasse tried to lay suscipcion on doctor h while youngminii was deciding who to shoot. If you believe glasse, it makes no sense why he would do that and later say kenpachi shouldv’e been shot. If you believe me, it makes pefect sense he wasnt deciding who to shoot when i said that, was he? and of course i would be suspicious of drh, if you would ahve fucking read why i did which i explained tons of time but you keep "forgetting" it on purposeif you are believed about what? Of course he was deciding. Caught in a lie here. And I'm not forgetting anything. Isn't it convienant you happen to not accuse kenpachi, but lay suscipcion on dr. h during this critical time, but you had seemed to oppose kenpachi beforehands? If you believe me, you are voting because or reason, because of informed decisions, because of analysis and because of the foundations of scum hunting, the same which led me to pin kenpachi. If you believe glasse, you are relying on one statement, one that I am proving doesn’t make me more likely mafia as he loves to claim, you are relying on flawed arguments and unverifiable justificatiosn. Furthormore, there is no proof that Glasse is actually shrink other than that he claimed. Let me say that again, there is no verification of his claim. But LSB tracked me night one, and saw that I visited him. Glasse now claims I must’ve been a converted doctor, but why would coag have claimed that? Think about it, coag claiming doctor(if he was already converted) makes perfect sense, he would know no other person had that. everythin fits together with my story i owned you on those points already yesterday night. Lol... you may want to read it again. It ended when I demolished the foundation of your "proof" that I'm scum: that mafia can both mc. Glasse says that the fact he voted for kenpachi proves he’s innocent. But what I’ve been saying, and he fails to counter, is the fact that that placed kenpachi in no real danger, that voting him simply could gain and not lose, so really that proves nothing. In fact, once you take the fact that Glasse says he wanted kenpachi to be shot, but the only thing he said was that Dr. H was probably hiding something(YM was going to shoot kenpachi/dr. h), everything fits together with my story:Glasse is mafia. see coag's instant vote on pandain
exactly. Why would he do that. It is not unlikely at all that my story is true. I have verification of my role, while glasse’s claim of shrink is backed only by his word. you don't have proof, you have proof that you are either doctor or shrink, not that you are shrink, which i said more than once as well More than you have, no? You see, what you don't want KtheZ to realize is that I have more proof that I'm actually the real shrink than you, who has just your word. Since there is no real way to confirm who is mafia, YOU MUST LOOK AT ANALYSIS. You must see that glasse DOES NOT want that to happen, he wants to just vote without letting debate happen(like he already did.) He has used unverifiable claims(I was afk) and bad reasoning(see above) and his defense boils down to: “Your scummy, but I won’t say why.” What has glasse proven about me? Nothing. dude the debate is happening, this is just trying to push him to do something he doesnt want to do What He has not analyzed me(wonder why) He has not responded after I decimated his response to my analysis. i didnt even see it, i'll go back sure Note that I always win the debates, and I firmly believe the truth always wins, because scum must resort to assumptions while I am backed by facts. my story fits, Glasse’s does not . rofl, i feel like i said something like that previously and you are trying to turn it back on me, how cute I have been winning the debate, you always end with "I don't want to debate" or "Screw you". Everything makes sense according to my story -Glasse votes coag because it was actually the best option -LSB tracked me to him because I protected him as shrink -Coag voted me so early because they wanted to get me lynched -I said coag was 100% mafia before he was suddenly killed because I am town. -Glasse said Dr. H was trying to hide something(later says kenpachi should’ve been shot, yet didn’t say anything then) -Glasse said LSB was not confirmed, and even to the previous day has been insuting he was possibly mafia. Glasse has been playing anti town from the start, proven by my analysis, from signs of feeling inherent guilt to suggesting doctor should RNG(probably got coag to too :/). Note how our debates always have ended with me winning, except for those 3 things I admit don’t PROVE he’s mafia 100%(he can’t respond to the other 10 of course.) But Glasse doesn’t admit anything, as if he doesn’t want to. Glasse still is saying I’m “confirmed” mafia, and spouting that nonsense for this whole day. And it took me forever just to prove he was bsing all that. Note that our debates always end with me finally slamming down the basic foundatiosn of his argument, and then he just says “I don’t want to argue…” ITS BECAUSE HE CANT. I hope this shows why I am the real shrink, how everything fits together if you belive me and things don’t if you believe him. Please, remember, no one is confirmed to be one alignment or another, analysis must and will come into play no matter how much he doesn’t want that to happen. herp derp bunch of shit i already denied Denied, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 06:33 Glasse wrote:
oh also, your assumption is that i am original mafia and coag is doctor right?
coag said he protected lsb both times.
if he protected lsb both times i would have been dead if i converted coagulation
i feel like this is a nail in the coffin. i couldnt think at the end of the night yesterday because i was annoyed and tired, which you could easily see and tried to pressure me even more trying to make me post not completely mafia proof posts Stop trying to make situations that aren't there. Coag was mafia, mafia lies. If he had said he protected you, you would've been revealed.
you are making situations that aren't there, he didnt protect me because he protected lsb, or so he claim, if you deny him being doctor it means you agree that you are mafia. and if you agree you agree that you are mafia as well, i finally trapped you and you won't be able to get out of this one, because i have facts on my side and you have lies and assumptions on your side.
You are also implying that the fact that, if me and coag were mafia, we planned that we would have this exact crazy argument about 30 layers deep into the game event arguments??
are you on crack?
taking my girlfriend out for dinner, bbl, also stop harassing him, harassing and pressuring that much is very VERY scummy, just a tip for you, next time you are mafia.
inb4 "answer my answers of your answers that you answered etc" i dont have time right now ill do it later
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he is doctor and mafia, what are you talking about.
Your arugments are devolving even more, but keep trying. Maybe you'll beat your "I WIN IF I LOSE" argument.
and of course not this argument, that woudl be cwazy. And I'm not harrasing him, I'm trying to convince him I'm legit. You saying "Just stop" isn't exactly helping him make an informed decision btw.
Have fun with your girlfriend, but again, you just delaying answering my arguments hurts your side.
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On November 20 2010 08:32 Pandain wrote:
he is doctor and mafia, what are you talking about.
Your arugments are devolving even more, but keep trying. Maybe you'll beat your "I WIN IF I LOSE" argument.
and of course not this argument, that woudl be cwazy. And I'm not harrasing him, I'm trying to convince him I'm legit. You saying "Just stop" isn't exactly helping him make an informed decision btw.
Have fun with your girlfriend, but again, you just delaying answering my arguments hurts your side.
well first of all mafia can't be doctor, unless converted, then that would mean he lied when he claimed protecting lsb (which he did, as he isnt even doctor, note: death note from day post)
Second thing is that pressuring him so much doesnt help him make an informed decision either, hes a grown man, he can think for himself.
Also my girlfriend made me realize something. We got on the topic of this mafia game in the car while going to the restaurant because she was wondering why i looked so annoyed last night.
heres how it went :
me: i need to keep proving im the nice guy here because the bad guy is trying to convince my teamate(who doesnt know hes my teamate) to vote against me. She answered : who is he believing right now? I said the guy that died before and me, she said : don't mind the bad guy then, if your teamate wants some clarification on some points he will just ask, you are playing in your opponent's hands right now.
i thought it was sooooo right.
So until kthez asks for clarifications on anything i will stop feeding you ways to lie and "forget" important stuff and try to make me look like a mafia. Make sure to speak up if there is anything kthez
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So you refuse to debate anymore? I wonder why....(hint: It wasn't because he was winning).
In response to that, he was converted. Listen, I'm not just going to let you twist the truth into stuff I haven't said. He was converted, and he lied about protecting you that night(would incriminate you.)
And are you really going to refuse me the right to prove myself innocent? (i wonder why)
And nice bringing up stories to make yourself sympathetic.
Hey, I cried last night because glasse is mafia and hatin' on me. EMOTIONS MAKE ME REALISTIC!!!!!!!!!!
+ Show Spoiler +(why were you talking about mafia anyway)
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So what I've showed:
1.Glasse is more likely mafia than I am
2.Glasse's votes for kenpachi don't prove anything
3.Stuff makes sense when glasse is mafia, not when I am
4.LSB tracking me lends credence to my claim of shrink, while glasse has only his word
5.There are numerous pieces of evidence in glasses' posts thus far that indicate scum.
6. I win in debate.
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On November 20 2010 10:04 Pandain wrote:So you refuse to debate anymore? I wonder why....(hint: It wasn't because he was winning). In response to that, he was converted. Listen, I'm not just going to let you twist the truth into stuff I haven't said. He was converted, and he lied about protecting you that night(would incriminate you.) And are you really going to refuse me the right to prove myself innocent? (i wonder why) And nice bringing up stories to make yourself sympathetic. Hey, I cried last night because glasse is mafia and hatin' on me. EMOTIONS MAKE ME REALISTIC!!!!!!!!!!
+ Show Spoiler +(why were you talking about mafia anyway)
1, i was actually winning.
2. you push him yet again, also lie about me twisting the truth which is what you have been doing for a while.
3. i was annoyed for realz last night, i would've choked you if you were in front of me.
4. i said in my post why we were talking about mafia
why am i posting this, i just said i wouldnt answer to you anymore, oh well its already all written up, why erase it
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If you were winning why won't you continue? (Hint: I know why)
But anyway, if you're going to post, post relevant to the game.
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On November 20 2010 10:09 Pandain wrote:
So what I've showed:
1.Glasse is more likely mafia than I am
2.Glasse's votes for kenpachi don't prove anything
3.Stuff makes sense when glasse is mafia, not when I am
4.LSB tracking me lends credence to my claim of shrink, while glasse has only his word
5.There are numerous pieces of evidence in glasses' posts thus far that indicate scum.
6. I win in debate.
ok i can't not post.. i guess.. i need to block tl or something..
1. nope
2. its true, no votes prove anything i guess, if it goes your way
3. that is not true at all, stuff make even more sense if i'm not mafia
4. you only have your words as well, but i have my word + proofs that you were converted
5.no?
6. definatly no, you win in "forgetting" arguments that lock you down
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On November 20 2010 10:13 Pandain wrote:
If you were winning why won't you continue? (Hint: I know why)
But anyway, if you're going to post, post relevant to the game.
that was relevant to the game, bai, ill look back around midnight to see if kthez asked anything
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Glasse's response to my posts:
"You're wrong, but I give up in debate and won't give reasons why I'm disagreeing, besides relying on the assumption I am town, so i am town, and other arguments that when examined either crumble or break down to I WIN WHEN I LOSE."
How can I argue to such a masterpiece of persuasive writing....
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you are just trying to push me to post stuff so you can twist my words even more. There is a lot more to it than what you just said, and you know it. You are just "forgetting" everything that owned your face with logical game events.
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I'm not forgetting it, your just not answering it.
Regardless, this is irrelevant. All you have for you right now is kthez's weird stubborness. You have no debate, you have no proof of anything, its time for kthez to decide.
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On November 20 2010 10:22 Pandain wrote:
I'm not forgetting it, your just not answering it.
Regardless, this is irrelevant. All you have for you right now is kthez's weird stubborness. You have no debate, you have no proof of anything, its time for kthez to decide.
i answered all of your worthless arguments easily (cept the last 2 because i decided i was going to stop arguing with you unless kthez asks for it)
You ARE forgetting all the points in my arguments where i knock you down and you can't answer while i answer everything you throw at me easily.
being stubborn isnt always bad. I know when im stubborn and change my mind at the last minute, then i end up being wrong i get so pissed
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Let's see...
Am I the one who had to resort to "I WIN WHEN I LOSE"?
Am I the one who's foundation that I'm "confirmed mafia" rested upon the falsity that mafia can't both mc.
Am I the one who had to stop debating?
Am I the one who has resorted to just insulting the arguments themselves while failing to insult the content?(aka, "YOU HAVE FAIL ARGUMENTS BUT I WONT SAY WHY?"
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i don't get the first thing
i didnt know both mafia could mc at the same time, and i still think its kind of dumb as it can give them a huge lead early on
i didnt have to, i chose to. because you are not the one i'm trying to prove something to right now, just being smart.
i answered all of your arguments easily, so technically i am backing up my fail argument part
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Your right, you don't have to prove anything. So please don't hate on me when I'm trying to prove my innocence. And again, don't say you answered everything when clearly you gave up :p
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oh please, that's not giving up, its way different :3
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Holy shit, this is like reading debate evidence when people are spreading :/
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Its over now, have you read it ALL.
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i'm confident... i may have made mistakes but you made more and i have the truth advantage.
since our fight is pretty much over i guess all thats left to say is good luck
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On November 20 2010 10:09 Pandain wrote:
So what I've showed:
1.Glasse is more likely mafia than I am
2.Glasse's votes for kenpachi don't prove anything
3.Stuff makes sense when glasse is mafia, not when I am
4.LSB tracking me lends credence to my claim of shrink, while glasse has only his word
5.There are numerous pieces of evidence in glasses' posts thus far that indicate scum.
6. I win in debate.
and I'm confident I've shown this.
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On November 20 2010 10:53 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 10:09 Pandain wrote:
So what I've showed:
1.Glasse is more likely mafia than I am
2.Glasse's votes for kenpachi don't prove anything
3.Stuff makes sense when glasse is mafia, not when I am
4.LSB tracking me lends credence to my claim of shrink, while glasse has only his word
5.There are numerous pieces of evidence in glasses' posts thus far that indicate scum.
6. I win in debate. and I'm confident I've shown this.
i'm confident i've denied those
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##unvote
I'll take the next 25 mins to read through the posting and tell myself which one of you are mafia.
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##unvote
just incase so i dont get ninja'd
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Okay I'm re-voting pandain again. After reading glasse's posts from page 1-20, I can conclude that he is most likely pro town. Since pandain's arguement is based on the assumption that Glasse is one of the alpha yakuzas, and also noting the change in his posting behavior after kenpachi committed seppuku.
instead of posting nice, long analysis and having insightful posts (which he did before kenpachi), pandain instead turn to tons UPON TONS OF POSTS that flooded pages and were designed only to assault glasse.
Plus, I noticed something. Coag first voted for pandain, but unvoted and changed instead to Glasse on page 26.
Yup, I'm convinced its pandain. really sorry man, if i'm wrong.
Lets stop debating and see the results.
Glasse, lets do this.
##Vote pandain
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and rofl who else am i going to assault? I know glasse is scum.
omg...
I just beat him in debate... I don't know what else to do...
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and isn't it obvious that coag just did what he does(is rash), thought he could get me lynched, and then as I said it was in glasse's best interest to get coag lynched.
*sigh
wp glasse at least
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KtheZ, why else are you voting for me?
or is that it?
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Rather than relying on your epic debate skills, I instead decided to search the topic and look around at your behaviors.
I don't trust your debate too much, although I do put it into consideration.
The reason I don't really enjoy the debate you guys had is that it was far, FAR too hard to follow. As much as I enjoy reading these forums, reading your debate and then having to search for a huge amount of posts really takes away from the analysis that I can produce.
These are several pro town posts glasse has had that you ignored.
shouldnt the town also have a copy then?
it would help a lot with this clam thing
In this quote, he is asking for deconduo for the town to have the role pm list also, instead of just mafia. This is a pro-town action.
can you really vote for no one?
also i would not do that, it makes it much easier to manipulate a vote for mafia if over half of the town doesnt even vote
Warns town against no-lynch daytimes, in concurrence with Dr.H (who was town) and other people. Seems pro-town, but mafia also advocated this, so this i'll call neutral.
Another thing I have to note:
Votes:
No Lynch (3)
KtheZ
LSB
kenpachi
Dr. H (2)
youngminii
Coagulation
Pandain (1)
Dr. H
Kenpachi (1)
Glasse
Coagulation (1)
Artanis
Yet to vote: Pandain
Voting ends in just under 8 hours.
To clarify some more voting rules:
-The person with the most votes will get lynched (not the majority, sorry). This includes 'No One'
-If there is a tie, then no one will be lynched.
Glasse voted kenpachi when there were 3 people voting No-vote, ans 0 votes weres on youngminii.
However, youngminii actually was lynched.
Glasse voted for kenpachi when there was no definitive evidence pointing at anyone, but then a bandwagon formed out of nowhere and hit youngminii. Glasse's vote DID matter, in fact. Him voting a mafia that early was a pro-town indication, since no mafia would vote for themselves when NOBODY HAD VOTED FOR ANYONE ELSE YET. I dont understand how you can call his vote irrelevant, when it could have made a HUGE difference, because he was right.
In fact, this then happened
Votes:
No Lynch (3)
KtheZ
LSB
kenpachi
Dr. H (2)
youngminii
Coagulation
Kenpachi (2)
Pandain
Glasse
Coagulation (1)
Artanis
Youngminii (1)
Dr. H
And kenpachi was one of the leading figures for lynch, yet once again somehow youngminii was lynched with 1 vote. What I'm trying to say is that Glasse voting for kenpachi actually IS indicative of his pro-town status, and it actually DID matter in the lynch process. Had glasse voted kenpachi at the last second, then I would have considered it a bus, but since he voted him in the very beginning, it is not.
End result:
youngminii (4) <----- SOMEHOW GAINED 3 VOTES
Coagulation
Dr. H
kenpachi
LSB
kenpachi (2)
Pandain
Glasse
Coagulation (1)
Artanis
Dr. H (1)
youngminii
No Lynch (1)
kthez
And this is what bugs me the most. You said that from this
i just dont have anything important to say :3
SORRY!
He was obviously pro-mafia, but if you would read maybe 1 or 2 posts after:
i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something.
He DID contribute.
This MAY be continued.
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On November 20 2010 12:29 KtheZ wrote:Rather than relying on your epic debate skills, I instead decided to search the topic and look around at your behaviors. I don't trust your debate too much, although I do put it into consideration. The reason I don't really enjoy the debate you guys had is that it was far, FAR too hard to follow. As much as I enjoy reading these forums, reading your debate and then having to search for a huge amount of posts really takes away from the analysis that I can produce. That was where I proved everything... These are several pro town posts glasse has had that you ignored. Show nested quote +shouldnt the town also have a copy then?
it would help a lot with this clam thing In this quote, he is asking for deconduo for the town to have the role pm list also, instead of just mafia. This is a pro-town action. Again, not that pro town since it was already in the op Show nested quote +
can you really vote for no one?
also i would not do that, it makes it much easier to manipulate a vote for mafia if over half of the town doesnt even vote
Warns town against no-lynch daytimes, in concurrence with Dr.H (who was town) and other people. Seems pro-town, but mafia also advocated this, so this i'll call neutral. Neutral indeed. Another thing I have to note: Show nested quote +Votes:
No Lynch (3)
KtheZ
LSB
kenpachi
Dr. H (2)
youngminii
Coagulation
Pandain (1)
Dr. H
Kenpachi (1)
Glasse
Coagulation (1)
Artanis
Yet to vote: Pandain
Voting ends in just under 8 hours.
To clarify some more voting rules:
-The person with the most votes will get lynched (not the majority, sorry). This includes 'No One'
-If there is a tie, then no one will be lynched. Glasse voted kenpachi when there were 3 people voting No-vote, ans 0 votes weres on youngminii. However, youngminii actually was lynched. Glasse voted for kenpachi when there was no definitive evidence pointing at anyone, but then a bandwagon formed out of nowhere and hit youngminii. Glasse's vote DID matter, in fact. Him voting a mafia that early was a pro-town indication, since no mafia would vote for themselves when NOBODY HAD VOTED FOR ANYONE ELSE YET. I dont understand how you can call his vote irrelevant, when it could have made a HUGE difference, because he was right. Disagree entirely. not only could he not have foreseen that(nor anybody), but kenpachi was never ever tied for the lead. In addition, glasse was afk for that whole portion. going further, I already explained that him voting for kenpachi does not mean anything since he was not in danger. I however, said coag was certainly mafia before he was even killed! In fact, this then happened Show nested quote +Votes:
No Lynch (3)
KtheZ
LSB
kenpachi
Dr. H (2)
youngminii
Coagulation
Kenpachi (2)
Pandain
Glasse
Coagulation (1)
Artanis
Youngminii (1)
Dr. H
And kenpachi was one of the leading figures for lynch, yet once again somehow youngminii was lynched with 1 vote. What I'm trying to say is that Glasse voting for kenpachi actually IS indicative of his pro-town status, and it actually DID matter in the lynch process. Had glasse voted kenpachi at the last second, then I would have considered it a bus, but since he voted him in the very beginning, it is not. See above, its not End result: Show nested quote +youngminii (4) <----- SOMEHOW GAINED 3 VOTES
Coagulation
Dr. H
kenpachi
LSB
kenpachi (2)
Pandain
Glasse
Coagulation (1)
Artanis
Dr. H (1)
youngminii
No Lynch (1)
kthez And this is what bugs me the most. You said that from this He was obviously pro-mafia, but if you would read maybe 1 or 2 posts after: Show nested quote +i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. He DID contribute. Exactly! Isn't it obvious. He says he doesn't have anything important to say, and then lays suspicion on doctor h, and later says kenpachi should've been shot(yet never said anything about him during that critical time! Very anti town. Note I DID account for both of these posts, they were talked about during the debate -.-.
I really urge you to read those, please. This MAY be continued.
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Kenpachi this is the final lynch. You decide the outcome of the game. Please read the debates.
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a copy of role pms were not in the op
i voted kenpachi and then said voting for no one was bad, expecting the people that voted for it to change. there was a considerable chance they would vote for him because he's a lurker, and people like to do that
i said i didnt have anything important to say, then i said something because i was asked what i thought about drh by someone(forgot who), not because i had to say it.
kenpachi is dead btw, i doubt he'd go through about 200 posts of arguments
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*it was LSB that asked me
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On November 20 2010 12:47 Glasse wrote:
a copy of role pms were not in the op
i voted kenpachi and then said voting for no one was bad, expecting the people that voted for it to change. there was a considerable chance they would vote for him because he's a lurker, and people like to do that
i said i didnt have anything important to say, then i said something because i was asked what i thought about drh by someone(forgot who), not because i had to say it.
kenpachi is dead btw, i doubt he'd go through about 200 posts of arguments
ur right, I meant just the descriptions. Still, doesn't really mean anything lol.
And again, you said that once, you talked about kenpachi once(before after YM shot dr. h), and now you're saying you foresaw this all? Stop bsing.
im tired of you bs arguments.
KtheZ, if you really don't see how glasse is just so plainly scum, I'm seriously just about to vote for myself.
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On November 20 2010 12:38 Pandain wrote:
Kenpachi this is the final lynch. You decide the outcome of the game. Please read the debates.
kenpachi is dead
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On November 20 2010 12:51 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 12:47 Glasse wrote:
a copy of role pms were not in the op
i voted kenpachi and then said voting for no one was bad, expecting the people that voted for it to change. there was a considerable chance they would vote for him because he's a lurker, and people like to do that
i said i didnt have anything important to say, then i said something because i was asked what i thought about drh by someone(forgot who), not because i had to say it.
kenpachi is dead btw, i doubt he'd go through about 200 posts of arguments ur right, I meant just the descriptions. Still, doesn't really mean anything lol. And again, you said that once, you talked about kenpachi once(before after YM shot dr. h), and now you're saying you foresaw this all? Stop bsing. im tired of you bs arguments. KtheZ, if you really don't see how glasse is just so plainly scum, I'm seriously just about to vote for myself.
i didnt say i forsaw everything, i just hoped people would at least vote something else than no lynch, which could have been dangerous since i put kenpachi on the map with 1 vote
i fail to see how i'm plainly scum. Honestly i just don't see it. I can see how your pressure play is though.
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On November 20 2010 12:55 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 12:38 Pandain wrote:
Kenpachi this is the final lynch. You decide the outcome of the game. Please read the debates. kenpachi is dead
ROFL
wtf
I mean KtheZ
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On November 20 2010 13:00 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 12:51 Pandain wrote:On November 20 2010 12:47 Glasse wrote:
a copy of role pms were not in the op
i voted kenpachi and then said voting for no one was bad, expecting the people that voted for it to change. there was a considerable chance they would vote for him because he's a lurker, and people like to do that
i said i didnt have anything important to say, then i said something because i was asked what i thought about drh by someone(forgot who), not because i had to say it.
kenpachi is dead btw, i doubt he'd go through about 200 posts of arguments ur right, I meant just the descriptions. Still, doesn't really mean anything lol. And again, you said that once, you talked about kenpachi once(before after YM shot dr. h), and now you're saying you foresaw this all? Stop bsing. im tired of you bs arguments. KtheZ, if you really don't see how glasse is just so plainly scum, I'm seriously just about to vote for myself. i didnt say i forsaw everything, i just hoped people would at least vote something else than no lynch, which could have been dangerous since i put kenpachi on the map with 1 vote i fail to see how i'm plainly scum. Honestly i just don't see it. I can see how your pressure play is though.
yes, that one vote, it was so crucial.
the very first vote.
the only vote at first.
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yea, there were a few other names there with 1 votes, i could've voted anyone else and kenpachi would have went completely unnoticed. you are assuming that i'm mafia AND that i'm retarded.
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Actually it was smart to vote kenpachi. If you could vote someone,and you didn't think they would get lynched, voting a mafia would set up up later.
again, misrepresenting the situation.
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alright i'm smart but i'll concede, i'm not THAT smart. You are telling me i set that up way back then so right now at the end of the game i could win this argument against you?
you're the one misrepresenting the situation afaik
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it's not like its a huge plan. you saw an opportunuity, you went for it. no big thing. sheesh.
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do you even realize what you are saying right now?
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kthez i need you active. I'm seriously considering going to sleep but obviously can't because if i do, then I can't vote, so at most it'll end with no one being lynched(tied.) So please, be active.
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On November 20 2010 13:14 Glasse wrote:
do you even realize what you are saying right now?
of course i do. your the one denying everything because "im not that smart hur hur"
sorry if i sound mean, im pretty pissed already
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wait, we have 2 votes on you so you would get lynched, no ties.
And no, no one could have planned a head that much that a single vote early in the game would win or lose the game, that is completely unrealistic. just the fact that you can think about that shows that you can't bring up anymore good points
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If KtheZ realizes your mafia, then even if he unvotes it'll be 1v1.
Dude, its not about winning or losing the game. It's about setting yourself in the future. It's called busing, it happens all the time.
you denying that just makes it all the more obvious.
KtheZ, I have one request of you. For now, unvote me, so I can vote glasse safely. Than I plead you, I beg of you, to actually read everything,and I know, I know somehow deep in my heart that you'll see my side. I don't care if it seems hopeless, I have faith, because I know I'm right. But right now, even if you do see, then you can't change the outcome. That's why I want you to unvote me, and finally, after thinking it through well, vote. But now it seems it'll just be impossible, so that's why I'm pleading you.
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setting myself in the future for what? i don't even understand how that makes sense.
Also i recall you talking shit because of the "trust me" part
idk if kthez will revote again after what he said, also idk if hes even reading.
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On November 20 2010 13:23 Pandain wrote:
If KtheZ realizes your mafia, then even if he unvotes it'll be 1v1.
Dude, its not about winning or losing the game. It's about setting yourself in the future. It's called busing, it happens all the time.
you denying that just makes it all the more obvious.
KtheZ, I have one request of you. For now, unvote me, so I can vote glasse safely. Than I plead you, I beg of you, to actually read everything,and I know, I know somehow deep in my heart that you'll see my side. I don't care if it seems hopeless, I have faith, because I know I'm right. But right now, even if you do see, then you can't change the outcome. That's why I want you to unvote me, and finally, after thinking it through well, vote. But now it seems it'll just be impossible, so that's why I'm pleading you.
for the love of god kthez please don't be afk now
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On November 20 2010 13:23 Pandain wrote:
If KtheZ realizes your mafia, then even if he unvotes it'll be 1v1.
Dude, its not about winning or losing the game. It's about setting yourself in the future. It's called busing, it happens all the time.
you denying that just makes it all the more obvious.
KtheZ, I have one request of you. For now, unvote me, so I can vote glasse safely. Than I plead you, I beg of you, to actually read everything,and I know, I know somehow deep in my heart that you'll see my side. I don't care if it seems hopeless, I have faith, because I know I'm right. But right now, even if you do see, then you can't change the outcome. That's why I want you to unvote me, and finally, after thinking it through well, vote. But now it seems it'll just be impossible, so that's why I'm pleading you.
You do realize that is kind of play puts extreme pressure on me right? Let's just end this game and see if you really are mafia.
I'm not buying it, and I do not wish to change the decision that I have made for myself.
Seriously man, pleading is unreasonable at this point in the game. There is no reason for me to unvote if i'm just going to vote for you again. (Which i just did)
I did read the debate, but I still feel that the mafia is you.
I have thought it through well, and I feel that trying to make me feel emotional about my actions will not change my mind.
This may be sort of a dickmove, but with all seriousness, asking me to be empathetic in this topic is kind of useless, since seriously, it could all be a mafia ploy for all I know.
I am not being stubborn. I have read through all the posts and I have chosen you. Simply saying that since I did not change my vote, I am stubborn, is wrong.
Look, I'm really sorry if you're town, and I AM a simple noob who is playing his second game, but right now I feel that it is you, and I have heeded your words and read through what you have asked me to. I still think its you. Even with this emotional outburst trying to make me feel bad, I still think its you.
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votes are locked in right?
WE WON KTHEZ
FUCK YEA
my first mafia town win :D and my first mafia win ever
sooo happy
gg pandain
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hehe, Good job everyone! =)
I've been waiting for what seems like forever for someone to cave.
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If it turns out to be you glasse, WP, WP
Votes locked means we cant change it right?
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Dear glasse,
While we were debating, things got a little heated. I could tell you were really annoyed, and to be honest, I was really too. But I could feel just how angry you are, and it unnerved me. You said how you “fucking hated” me, wanted to punch me in the throat, and while that was deserved, you must remember, I was playing mafia.
Mafia will not play nice. Mafia will not just let you have the win. Mafia will hound you, twist your words, make meanings which aren’t there, exaggerate, and just lie. And it must be frustrating for you. But please, especially after you said I was making you not want to play mafia, that just made me sad.
I never wanted to make you mad, or angry, or frustrated. I just wanted to play the game. And this was the only way I could win, by trying to make you seem like you’re lying, just can’t debate anymore.
You’re a good player, at the very least not a bad one. Sure, you need to learn a bit about spamming, but even in insane mafia, I found it at least a little adorable. I actually enjoy playing with you, I want you to know that.
So I wrote this beforehand, because I’m pretty sad, and I don’t know whether its just me, or what. But I just wanted you to let you know that you MUST deal with this kind of BS in mafia, especially when it’s a 1v1 and your trying to convince one person.
Deeply apologetic, Pandain
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ya votes locked is a done deal.
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glasse if you cant handle scum dont play mafia.
dont hold grudges over this game.
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On November 20 2010 13:57 Pandain wrote:
Dear glasse,
While we were debating, things got a little heated. I could tell you were really annoyed, and to be honest, I was really too. But I could feel just how angry you are, and it unnerved me. You said how you “fucking hated” me, wanted to punch me in the throat, and while that was deserved, you must remember, I was playing mafia.
Mafia will not play nice. Mafia will not just let you have the win. Mafia will hound you, twist your words, make meanings which aren’t there, exaggerate, and just lie. And it must be frustrating for you. But please, especially after you said I was making you not want to play mafia, that just made me sad.
I never wanted to make you mad, or angry, or frustrated. I just wanted to play the game. And this was the only way I could win, by trying to make you seem like you’re lying, just can’t debate anymore.
You’re a good player, at the very least not a bad one. Sure, you need to learn a bit about spamming, but even in insane mafia, I found it at least a little adorable. I actually enjoy playing with you, I want you to know that.
So I wrote this beforehand, because I’m pretty sad, and I don’t know whether its just me, or what. But I just wanted you to let you know that you MUST deal with this kind of BS in mafia, especially when it’s a 1v1 and your trying to convince one person.
Deeply apologetic, Pandain
Aww! That was really nice! Very classy, Pandain. My respect for you went up a few notches. I knew why you were doing what you did at the end of the game, but I didn't expect this.
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i know pandain, but fuck it was annoying to argue against the way you were doing it :3
i know i must deal with it but i planned on calming down after the game was over
i rage easily
lets be friends!
![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5sy3d-HLwBg/TGyKyorUlII/AAAAAAAAAIA/nCwU0Sf3uYU/s1600/happy.gif)
i love playing with you when i dont have to argue with you
<3
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On November 20 2010 13:59 Coagulation wrote:
glasse if you cant handle scum dont play mafia.
dont hold grudges over this game.
who said i'm holding any grudges?
it was the heat of the moment
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So WHO THE HELL WAS MAFIA?
Mindfucked right now.
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that was a fun game
didn't expect to be converted though :/ haha
kthez how close did i get to convincing you
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Eh I was convinced you were mafia 99% after LSB tracked kenpachi to you.
Your arguments did make me think and....
WASTED LIKE 4 HOURS OF MY LIFE
but I basically was already convinced from the beginning.
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Dude usually lylo I just vote and AFK for a reason
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On November 20 2010 14:38 LSB wrote:Dude usually lylo I just vote and AFK for a reason
I felt it was kind of disrespectful to not listen to anything they type after they spent so much effort into it.
However, that probably is what pandain was trying to make me do
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I was amazed at the number of posts and the heat of the debate when only 3 players was left, and the case was pretty clear (felt like that to me atleast). Was it wrong of Glasse to engage in the debate, or did his clear frustration help prove his innocence? Was a very entertaining game, gg
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Pandain, the mind controlled doctor has been lynched. GG guys.
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List of roles and actions:
Effort - Dr. H - Villager
Calm - KtheZ - BP
Clam - Artanis - BP
Sea - Pandain - Doc
Stork - LSB - Tracker
JD - youngmini - Hunter
Flash - Glasse - Shrink
Yak1 - Kenpachi - Yakuza
Yak2 - Coagulation - Yakuza
Actions:
Night 1:
LSB Tracks: Pandain
Pandain protects: LSB
Glasse Shrinks: Glasse
Kenpachi yaks: No one
Coag yaks: No one
Maf kill: Artanis
Results:
LSB told that Pandain visits LSB
Artanis gets hit
Night 2:
LSB Tracks: kenpachi
Pandain protects: LSB
Glasse Shrinks: LSB
Kenpachi yaks: Pandain
Coag yaks: No one.
Maf kill: Artanis
Results:
LSB told kenpachi visits Artanis & Pandain
Pandain Coverted
Artanis dies
Night 3:
Maf Kills: LSB
Results:
LSB dies
Votes:
Day 2:
Coagulation Youngminii
Dr. H Youngminii
kenpachi youngminii
LSB Youngminii
Pandain Kenpachi
Glasse Kenpachi
Artanis Coagulation
youngmini Dr. H
Kthez No Lynch
youngminii lynched, he hits Dr. H
Day 3:
Coagulation Pandain
LSB Coagulation
Pandain Glasse
Glasse Coagulation
Kthez Pandain
No one Lynched, Coag suicides (more on this)
Day 4:
KtheZ Pandain
Pandain Glasse
Glasse Pandain
Pandain lynched, town win.
At the end of day 3, I had to go by the rules and have no one lynched. This sucked because it would hand mafia a win where town had pretty much figured everything out. Coag made this fair by sacrificing himself.
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Awards
Best Player:LSB almost single-handedly won the game for town after the biggest facepalm moment.
Biggest Facepalm Moment: (Town) Youngminii gets lynched. Youngminii shoots Dr. H -_-
Biggest Facepalm Moment: (Mafia) Tie between not counterclaiming tracker and Coagulation claiming medic.
Most Epic Moment: (Town) LSB tracking Kenpachi to Pandain. LSB realising lynching Pandain is a bad move. LSB asking for mass roleclaim. LSB realising Coag is the best lynch after he claimed medic.
Effort Award: (For player that refused to give in) Pandain of course, well played. 
Hope you guys enjoyed the game, and sorry for the clusterfuck at the end of day 3.
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well if i woulda counter claimed tracker they would have lynched the shit out of me instantly.
i didnt stand a chance against lsb.. everyone was already itching for me to give them a reason to lynch me day1
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glad that it worked out like that
Thanks for the game Deconduo!
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On November 20 2010 20:48 deconduo wrote:
Pandain, the mind controlled doctor has been lynched. GG guys.
see it doesnt say yakuza
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Glad I managed to soak up two hits. GJ LSB, Glasse and KtheZ!
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On November 21 2010 00:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Glad I managed to soak up two hits. GJ LSB, Glasse and KtheZ!
Why couldn't you soak up three hits?
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On November 20 2010 22:22 Coagulation wrote:
well if i woulda counter claimed tracker they would have lynched the shit out of me instantly.
i didnt stand a chance against lsb.. everyone was already itching for me to give them a reason to lynch me day1
The idea would have been to claim just to cause confusion for the medic and shrink allowing you to kill or convert him during the night. If you convert then you can't be lynched cos you're dead
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Finally Pandain gave up. I was so closed to arguing with him.
Yeah, he was pretty screwed on the last day last town don't have to do much to win.
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800 posts for a 9 player game, thats a lot right?
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Congrats Glasse and Kthez! You guys finally broke the 7+ game mafia win streak :o
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i dont think i woulda won if lsb didnt do a good job before he died
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On November 21 2010 09:58 Glasse wrote:
800 posts for a 9 player game, thats a lot right?
You three made literally half of the posts in the game.
Don't look at me!
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On November 21 2010 10:01 kitaman27 wrote:
Congrats Glasse and Kthez! You guys finally broke the 7+ game mafia win streak :o
im on a 3 game losing streak -_-.. IM A FAILURE D:
well i should partake in the games more so i blame myself even more
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On November 22 2010 00:54 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 10:01 kitaman27 wrote:
Congrats Glasse and Kthez! You guys finally broke the 7+ game mafia win streak :o im on a 3 game losing streak -_-.. IM A FAILURE D: well i should partake in the games more so i blame myself even more
You just need a bit of practice. And you need to post more in games.
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On November 22 2010 00:54 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 10:01 kitaman27 wrote:
Congrats Glasse and Kthez! You guys finally broke the 7+ game mafia win streak :o im on a 3 game losing streak -_-.. IM A FAILURE D: well i should partake in the games more so i blame myself even more
Hey! This ended my 4 game losing streak!
If your following in my footsteps, you have 1 more lose to go. Then you can win!
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Oh, and I would like to thank Coag for committing suicide in face of KtheZ's epic fail vote.
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