EPTWtf Why Must You Post So Much
Summary:
Dr. H has lied, deceived, and misled the town. If anyone really wants to, I can go on, but just by seeing the first couple hundred posts it should be obvious how scummy Dr. H is. In addition, just noting right now, the fact that there are bandwagons going on which I believe have been started by mafia to hide the fact that Dr. H screwed up hard. Dr. H has lied about his role, given false facts, contradicted himself countless times, and wasted by 2000th post.
Basically, we can see some main thing which indicate he's scum.
1. He's lied about his role, and aspects regarding it
For example, we see he constantly has said things about his role which obviously he now says he cannot do. For instance:
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On October 30 2010 04:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
because mayor can't be rolechecked thats why im not voting for fishball
but i can further confirm the possibility that he is town in the night (my role is sorta complex and im just figuring out all of its applications) and i'm considering changing back and putting more pressure on the pandainwagon
because mayor can't be rolechecked thats why im not voting for fishball
but i can further confirm the possibility that he is town in the night (my role is sorta complex and im just figuring out all of its applications) and i'm considering changing back and putting more pressure on the pandainwagon
Alright. Stop here. Look at the bolded quote. He says he can confirm someone is town, yet from what he claims now his role cannot do that at all.
On October 30 2010 04:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i remembered incorrectly about youngminii
he bandwagoned fishball NOT bumatlarge
this makes more sense, why would a scumbuddy come to the fake rescue of someone who isn't scum. that gives me more to think about. I'd really really really like a DT to rolecheck fishball. I can only kinda determine whether they may or may not be town and even then it ends up in a bit of a WIFOM situation.
the reason i feel weird about pandain is because his election reminds me a lot of the time when i was elected as scum mayor in my first mafia game and the way its going is very similar to that.
i wish there were more than 2 legitimate candidates that both come off as suspicious to me.
now that youngminii was voting for fishball, I'm less sure. I know youngminii in haunted mafia when he was vampire, he was a smart guy and always explained what he said in vampire chat. he's not the kind who would just say meaningless bullshit if he was town imo
i remembered incorrectly about youngminii
he bandwagoned fishball NOT bumatlarge
this makes more sense, why would a scumbuddy come to the fake rescue of someone who isn't scum. that gives me more to think about. I'd really really really like a DT to rolecheck fishball. I can only kinda determine whether they may or may not be town and even then it ends up in a bit of a WIFOM situation.
the reason i feel weird about pandain is because his election reminds me a lot of the time when i was elected as scum mayor in my first mafia game and the way its going is very similar to that.
i wish there were more than 2 legitimate candidates that both come off as suspicious to me.
now that youngminii was voting for fishball, I'm less sure. I know youngminii in haunted mafia when he was vampire, he was a smart guy and always explained what he said in vampire chat. he's not the kind who would just say meaningless bullshit if he was town imo
Back tracks on his statement he can confirm if he's town, but still says he can, in some way. Dr. H, this is very suscipcious.
On October 30 2010 04:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
my power is actually really simple but the applications of it are complex and I'm finding them out as I think and play more
at first i was like "wtf am i gonna do with this power it sucks"
my power is actually really simple but the applications of it are complex and I'm finding them out as I think and play more
at first i was like "wtf am i gonna do with this power it sucks"
Couldn't you just ask artanis....
On October 30 2010 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
This is true.
But I can confirm that I am the role I say I am. The only problem is confirming it to the right person.
This is true.
But I can confirm that I am the role I say I am. The only problem is confirming it to the right person.
Alright, but you've already said wrong things about what you say your role is, and so far we don't know if you can even really confirm your role.
On October 30 2010 07:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
there is a second way i can confirm my role
if i somehow miss my confirmation, i can confirm it indirectly as well. and i will always get a second chance the next night to directly confirm it.
there is a second way i can confirm my role
if i somehow miss my confirmation, i can confirm it indirectly as well. and i will always get a second chance the next night to directly confirm it.
AND WHAT THE FRICK IS THIS WAY?
I want this answered now, Dr. H
On October 30 2010 07:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
here is my basic plan for organization:
1. at night i can confirm to one player that I am who I say I am.
2. that player confirms to the town my role
3. hopefully masons will induct me into the circle
4. with my power i can help coordinate other roles, I don't want to say too much as to how right now.
There are only two scenarios in which the 1st step can fail. They are very very very very very very unlikely. If the person I confirm to is mafia, they can just lie and say I didn't confirm to them or never bring it up.
Mafia will be forced to confirm that I am blue, or I'll out them for lying.
I can be much more specific when I'm sure I can not be killed at night.
here is my basic plan for organization:
1. at night i can confirm to one player that I am who I say I am.
2. that player confirms to the town my role
3. hopefully masons will induct me into the circle
4. with my power i can help coordinate other roles, I don't want to say too much as to how right now.
There are only two scenarios in which the 1st step can fail. They are very very very very very very unlikely. If the person I confirm to is mafia, they can just lie and say I didn't confirm to them or never bring it up.
Mafia will be forced to confirm that I am blue, or I'll out them for lying.
I can be much more specific when I'm sure I can not be killed at night.
Points out that his plan could fail if one of these happen, but say they're very unlikely. Yet now he's bringing it up as defense. Also, I thought he said his role can confirm another players role, didn't I point that out?
On October 30 2010 07:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
well they would be ideal for a rolecheck
this would be incredibly dangerous play as mafia to out my scumbuddies as the game progresses. every time i confirm to someone i will be claiming it.
it is possible the person i can confirm to is a mafia, i have no way of knowing someones alignment. but look at this play from the perspective of me being mafia and it really makes no sense. I'm going to out all of my mafia compatriots just to win the mayor position?
you'll see very soon that the information I'm providing will be beneficial to the town and we'll see real results in numbers.
I'm putting my head on a plate for you guys if I turn out to be a liar. I can back this up.
well they would be ideal for a rolecheck
this would be incredibly dangerous play as mafia to out my scumbuddies as the game progresses. every time i confirm to someone i will be claiming it.
it is possible the person i can confirm to is a mafia, i have no way of knowing someones alignment. but look at this play from the perspective of me being mafia and it really makes no sense. I'm going to out all of my mafia compatriots just to win the mayor position?
you'll see very soon that the information I'm providing will be beneficial to the town and we'll see real results in numbers.
I'm putting my head on a plate for you guys if I turn out to be a liar. I can back this up.
Notice a trend that Dr. H is doing. He claims he can be confirmed, leaves an out, yet the fact remains that he's constantly saying that he's almost certainly going to be confirmed, that he even laters says he is 100% confirmed, and even uses the old "trust me, If I'm lying lynch me." Yet we've now caught him as lying, and what do people do? They hop on another bandwagon!
On October 30 2010 07:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
of course it's possible
but look at this play in the terms of the game overall. think for a minute that I am mafia. I would essentially be outing my entire team to the town over the course of the game.
of course it's possible
but look at this play in the terms of the game overall. think for a minute that I am mafia. I would essentially be outing my entire team to the town over the course of the game.
Wrong if your lying about your role/do not have the role at all. And we've already pointed out you've lied about your role....
On October 30 2010 07:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
there are other things to my power that will prove beyond any doubt that I am a pro-town player. they may not take affect immediately but everything will be quite clear when I am elected and roleclaim
there are other things to my power that will prove beyond any doubt that I am a pro-town player. they may not take affect immediately but everything will be quite clear when I am elected and roleclaim
Which is.....? Back up your claims, dr. h
On October 30 2010 07:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Godfather would be chosen on the first day I believe
I have a small chance of confirming myself to a mafia. Mafia can then come out, get rolechecked, and sacrifice themselves to kill me
So in the freak scenario that this happens I would plead town to wait a day before lynching me. Not to mention it could be the miller as well.
There are other things to my role that will confirm me as town but I want to make a disclaimer, I have no way of knowing what other players roles are (I certainly don't have DT powers) so I have as much chance as anyone of acting upon mafia.
Godfather would be chosen on the first day I believe
I have a small chance of confirming myself to a mafia. Mafia can then come out, get rolechecked, and sacrifice themselves to kill me
So in the freak scenario that this happens I would plead town to wait a day before lynching me. Not to mention it could be the miller as well.
There are other things to my role that will confirm me as town but I want to make a disclaimer, I have no way of knowing what other players roles are (I certainly don't have DT powers) so I have as much chance as anyone of acting upon mafia.
Since I really think it's obvious he's mafia, I'm just going to start going on that assumption,and why everything he does makes sense if he is mafia. Of course, I will still be pointing out errors and fallacies but time to set gear into overdrive.
Alright, so now he says his role cannot tell what another person's role is, says there are other things that can confirm him(yet says nothing else besides the fact he claims he can confirm himself, yet hasn't.)
On October 30 2010 08:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
why would you vote for someone who can't confirm themselves as town aligned?
If I'm not elected, I will likely be protected by a medic. I'm not that worried about dying tonight if I lose the election.
what is your reason not to vote for me, because I'll die if I'm not elected? my role is really only useful if it's known to the town anyway. the most useful ability is to confirm myself as town to other players, it's ideal that a player with this role would be mayor.
why would you vote for someone who can't confirm themselves as town aligned?
If I'm not elected, I will likely be protected by a medic. I'm not that worried about dying tonight if I lose the election.
what is your reason not to vote for me, because I'll die if I'm not elected? my role is really only useful if it's known to the town anyway. the most useful ability is to confirm myself as town to other players, it's ideal that a player with this role would be mayor.
Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. Why did we elect someone who can't confirm themselves as town aligned. Unfortunately, we did leave out the possibility of a roleblocker, but again, the fact he should have been thinking about that and the fact we don't know the roles I'm suscipcious of the "Well, maybe there's a roleblocker" excuse.
On October 30 2010 08:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
What makes you think I haven't planned out how to use my role throughout the game?
You're telling me to stay quiet and then come out tomorrow with what needs to be said.
I'm offering coordination to the town with guaranteed protection. If you don't think thats better than what pandain is offering (nothing) then I don't really know what to say.
What lack of foresight? My plans are long-term plans on how I will use my role to benefit the town. The first step is confirming my identity, the second step is using my powers to coordinate the town in a way that is crucial to our survival and victory.
I've put the finger of suspicion on more players than you. Coagulation, youngminii, you haven't really done much in the way of scumhunting either. Mind telling me who you think is scum, if anybody?
While scumhunting is important to me, being mayor will without a doubt maximize the effectiveness of my role and give the town coordination it needs in this game. It's pretty simple.
What makes you think I haven't planned out how to use my role throughout the game?
You're telling me to stay quiet and then come out tomorrow with what needs to be said.
I'm offering coordination to the town with guaranteed protection. If you don't think thats better than what pandain is offering (nothing) then I don't really know what to say.
What lack of foresight? My plans are long-term plans on how I will use my role to benefit the town. The first step is confirming my identity, the second step is using my powers to coordinate the town in a way that is crucial to our survival and victory.
I've put the finger of suspicion on more players than you. Coagulation, youngminii, you haven't really done much in the way of scumhunting either. Mind telling me who you think is scum, if anybody?
While scumhunting is important to me, being mayor will without a doubt maximize the effectiveness of my role and give the town coordination it needs in this game. It's pretty simple.
Well for one, just seeing what happened tonight makes me think if you are town you didn't think everything through. And I'm still confused on how being mayor maximizes your effectiveness if your town, I mean, you can still do everything the same. Basically, you can confirm yourself as town, and that's it. But even that is in question.
On October 30 2010 09:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
My role has two basic abilities:
-to confirm itself to another player at night. basically I can send a signal to another player once per night that confirms I am the role I say I am.
-to assist in stopping the spread of the plague. i will use this role to reliably coordinate the night actions of plague doctors and the results will show in the murrayitis counts.
Both of these actions can be proven, they have results that cannot be faked.
Secondly, (more like the hundred time I've said this and people don't listen)
If I were mafia using mafia to fake my confirmation ability. This means I have to consistently out scumbuddies for the entirety of the game just to stay alive. And for what? Immunity to nightkills that won't happen since I'd be mafia in the first place?
Mafia benefit from being mayor isn't big enough in a normal game to do a play like this, much less in a game like this where the mayors power is severely reduced.
What am I offering beyond my role? Simply put the town can trust me. I've put myself in a do or die situation and I'm more than prepared to back up what I'm offering. I can offer immense coordination that is OPEN to the town. I won't jump on poor mafia bandwagons. I'm not running on the basis of being a mayor that will do whatever the town (i.e mafia) tells him to do. I'll try my best to cut through the bullshit and use my votes the right way.
My role has two basic abilities:
-to confirm itself to another player at night. basically I can send a signal to another player once per night that confirms I am the role I say I am.
-to assist in stopping the spread of the plague. i will use this role to reliably coordinate the night actions of plague doctors and the results will show in the murrayitis counts.
Both of these actions can be proven, they have results that cannot be faked.
Secondly, (more like the hundred time I've said this and people don't listen)
If I were mafia using mafia to fake my confirmation ability. This means I have to consistently out scumbuddies for the entirety of the game just to stay alive. And for what? Immunity to nightkills that won't happen since I'd be mafia in the first place?
Mafia benefit from being mayor isn't big enough in a normal game to do a play like this, much less in a game like this where the mayors power is severely reduced.
What am I offering beyond my role? Simply put the town can trust me. I've put myself in a do or die situation and I'm more than prepared to back up what I'm offering. I can offer immense coordination that is OPEN to the town. I won't jump on poor mafia bandwagons. I'm not running on the basis of being a mayor that will do whatever the town (i.e mafia) tells him to do. I'll try my best to cut through the bullshit and use my votes the right way.
So, now we know you were lying about the second way to confirm yourself. And how could you confirm another player. There are so many things you've claimed about your role which now are being pushed aside. And now your saying mafia doesn't have anything to gain from trying to get mayor when previously you said it's valuable.
2.He contradicts himself/lies.
There are numerous examples of him either backtracking on stuff or just lying/misleading. Note many times he tries to lie/mislead/deceive, and if called out on it he will back down. Yet if no one does, he continues driving it home, embellishing it further and further and trying to establish it as fact. Even without taking into account the time's he's lied/contradicted himself on his role let's see some posts by him:
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On October 29 2010 07:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
having a mafia as mayor is a blessing and curse for the mafia
the extra vote power (which im guessing mayor has in this game) is super useful late game but mayor also has a lot of extra scrutiny on him which means he has to play very well.
having a mafia as mayor is a blessing and curse for the mafia
the extra vote power (which im guessing mayor has in this game) is super useful late game but mayor also has a lot of extra scrutiny on him which means he has to play very well.
First real post this game. Right off the bat I notice this is different from what he's saying now, which is mayor is not useful for mafia and they wouldn't want to have it. Contradiction is noted, but opinions can change. Moving on...
On October 29 2010 14:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lying can be advantageous if you're town
as long as you do it smartly
lying can be advantageous if you're town
as long as you do it smartly
Yet now he accuses Aeres? Despite the fact Aeres actually was pretty smart in what he did?
wtf is this.
On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
even if fishball isn't elected, we should go through with my gambit
that is if no one else from the circle claims at the end of the day, we lynch fishball. everyone who claims gets rolechecked to make sure it isn't a big mafia trick.
if it is a big mafia trick:
we win the game, easy as that.
if the mafia ditch fishball:
first day mafia kill, woo!
the only troubling scenario is where only the few mafia in the group come forward or say, the mafia in the group get rolechecked first, then we start killing the townies in the circle.
I think maybe electing Fishball might be a bad idea since he is then unable to be rolechecked. Mafia doesn't want to kill people in the circle, since if they are in it, they want to manipulate the information as much as possible.
also I suggest a plague doctor does not visit the mayor tonight. that is for reasons I can not tell you.
I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player
even if fishball isn't elected, we should go through with my gambit
that is if no one else from the circle claims at the end of the day, we lynch fishball. everyone who claims gets rolechecked to make sure it isn't a big mafia trick.
if it is a big mafia trick:
we win the game, easy as that.
if the mafia ditch fishball:
first day mafia kill, woo!
the only troubling scenario is where only the few mafia in the group come forward or say, the mafia in the group get rolechecked first, then we start killing the townies in the circle.
I think maybe electing Fishball might be a bad idea since he is then unable to be rolechecked. Mafia doesn't want to kill people in the circle, since if they are in it, they want to manipulate the information as much as possible.
also I suggest a plague doctor does not visit the mayor tonight. that is for reasons I can not tell you.
I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player
Very anti town as well. First of all, he says we should check everyone who claims, when we would only have to check one. If it's mafia, then we know it's a lie/ we can check another person who claims. If not, THEN we lynch Fishball. But if we reveal a town, then we can stop, as he would be telling the truth. I don't see why Dr. H would be saying we should do this. And also his reason of not electing fishball: "he's unable to be rolechecked." Isn't that true for everyone?
Finally he says he suggests a PD not visit mayor. Why is this, dr. H?
Also, he has started to say in here he is wary of me because of a supposed bandwagon on me. Sadly, I did not look into this enough. Let's analyze the facts:
1.He claims there is a bandwagon on me.
This implies two things:
1.There is a group of people who just bandwagoned on voting me.
2. They give little to no reason
Both of these are outright lies. Like 5 people voted for me OVER THE COURSE OF 18 HOURS OR SO. And dr. H even voted for me!
Finally, he claims they gave no reasons. Hmm... let's look at these posts
coagmeepak
node also but I lost the exact link. -,-. So 3/5 gave at the very least a decent reason. So basically he accused me based on the fact two people didn't explain their votes fully enough.
Can't believe I didn't notice this...
On October 30 2010 08:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
yet he has a huge bandwagon
you are really intent on making me look bad in this game aren't you. too bad you have no good reasons for it
yet he has a huge bandwagon
you are really intent on making me look bad in this game aren't you. too bad you have no good reasons for it
Again says I have a huge bandwagon, when I do not. Also coag has been bringing up good points on dr. h.
On October 30 2010 04:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i'm gonna run for mayor
pandain has a big bandwagon that isn't saying shit about why they are electing him for the most part which is really suspicious
fishball needs to be rolechecked and the scummiest player is on his bandwagon and having him not be mayor makes things easier for town
i think by my posts everyone can see I'm pretty clearly town aligned. I can also roleclaim safely then and I will tell you that I have a very useful role that can help us coordinate to win this game. there is also no chance that i will die as mayor so plague doctors would not need to waste their night action on me and can protect other people
i'm a huge target for my experience and value to the town, why not get me protected so medics can protect somebody. i'd like to see our experienced players survive the night (infundi, ace, bumatlarge, fishball, brownbear, etc.)
i'm gonna run for mayor
pandain has a big bandwagon that isn't saying shit about why they are electing him for the most part which is really suspicious
fishball needs to be rolechecked and the scummiest player is on his bandwagon and having him not be mayor makes things easier for town
i think by my posts everyone can see I'm pretty clearly town aligned. I can also roleclaim safely then and I will tell you that I have a very useful role that can help us coordinate to win this game. there is also no chance that i will die as mayor so plague doctors would not need to waste their night action on me and can protect other people
i'm a huge target for my experience and value to the town, why not get me protected so medics can protect somebody. i'd like to see our experienced players survive the night (infundi, ace, bumatlarge, fishball, brownbear, etc.)
So, your running for mayor because your "clearly town aligned"(hmm... look at this post so far). You say your a huge target from mafia, yet also say so is fishball, and both of you would have to be rolechecked(actually can't -.-). So you really have no reasons other than you would later reveal you can be confirmed, but that's in high question right now.
On October 30 2010 06:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
everyone is a blue in this game lol
i'm the only candidate aside from node who is claiming to offer 100% proof that I am not mafia when I'm elected, just saying
you have offered nothing yet have a huge bandwagon behind you for whatever reason
everyone is a blue in this game lol
i'm the only candidate aside from node who is claiming to offer 100% proof that I am not mafia when I'm elected, just saying
you have offered nothing yet have a huge bandwagon behind you for whatever reason
1.No bandwagon. And 2 people not explaining enough is not a "huge bandwagon."
2.Yeah, 'bout that 100% proof.
On October 30 2010 07:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
let me put it this way
there is a 1/39 chance i will fail in confirming my role to the town
there are multiple ways i can prove my identity over the course of the day. so you would rather vote pandain who offers nothing? you're doing a bad job at discrediting me. considering that mafia are probably shitting their pants over the idea of a confirmed townie with great coordination powers become immune to nightkills I'm not surprised someone is trying their best
FoS
let me put it this way
there is a 1/39 chance i will fail in confirming my role to the town
there are multiple ways i can prove my identity over the course of the day. so you would rather vote pandain who offers nothing? you're doing a bad job at discrediting me. considering that mafia are probably shitting their pants over the idea of a confirmed townie with great coordination powers become immune to nightkills I'm not surprised someone is trying their best
FoS
And these other ways of confirming your self are?
And I did offer stuff, I just don't outright claim it because there's a good chance I wouldn't be elected, and I don't want mafia to have any more information about me than neccesary.
On October 30 2010 07:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
poor excuse, i know your play. you watch the thread very intently while communicating avidly within a scumcircle
why even mention it? feeling guilty about your inactivity or do you just like to clutter up threads for no reason
poor excuse, i know your play. you watch the thread very intently while communicating avidly within a scumcircle
why even mention it? feeling guilty about your inactivity or do you just like to clutter up threads for no reason
baseless assumption
On October 30 2010 07:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
there are a lot of inactive players right now
calm yourself
there are a lot of inactive players right now
calm yourself
What about NB, then?
On October 30 2010 08:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
which i then discarded as bad when i changed my mind
4 hours is a lot of time in this game. I voted for Pandain because I felt wary about Fishball and at the time there was really no other viable candidate, since I thought bumatlarge was out of the race. If I didn't think that I would have gladly voted for bum instead.
I decided then the best thing to do would be to run myself and have since grown increasingly more suspicious of pandain based on the actions of his supporters who have thus far given little to no reason to vote for him
which i then discarded as bad when i changed my mind
4 hours is a lot of time in this game. I voted for Pandain because I felt wary about Fishball and at the time there was really no other viable candidate, since I thought bumatlarge was out of the race. If I didn't think that I would have gladly voted for bum instead.
I decided then the best thing to do would be to run myself and have since grown increasingly more suspicious of pandain based on the actions of his supporters who have thus far given little to no reason to vote for him
1.No person voted for me again after you did, meaning that couldn't have changed your mind there.
2.You say I'm a viable canidate, yet now say I offer nothing.
On October 30 2010 08:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
you really think i could be mafia?
do you understand how outrageously fucking stupid I would be to play like this as mafia? not only would i have to consistently out my scumbuddies throughout the course of the game to the entire town but I would have to fake a beneficial blue role that I promised already shows real numerical results that cannot be faked
I am tying the noose around my neck to be hanged if I am lying.
How can you call me a shitty towny if I've never been a towny and you don't even suspect I'm townie in this game. Hilarious post.
you really think i could be mafia?
do you understand how outrageously fucking stupid I would be to play like this as mafia? not only would i have to consistently out my scumbuddies throughout the course of the game to the entire town but I would have to fake a beneficial blue role that I promised already shows real numerical results that cannot be faked
I am tying the noose around my neck to be hanged if I am lying.
How can you call me a shitty towny if I've never been a towny and you don't even suspect I'm townie in this game. Hilarious post.
Every time he says to lynch him if he's lying just makes me cringe. Because now we're at an impasse where he can just continously say "just wait one more night" while he leads us around bandwagoning people who I think are innocent.
On October 30 2010 09:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why does that make you nervous? I can prove to the entire town that I am town aligned. If I don't do that, simply lynch me.
Why would you vote for a low key mayor that isn't offering anything with the role when I am handing the town a blue-confirmed mayor who can coordinate on a plate? Why wouldn't you want that?
Why does that make you nervous? I can prove to the entire town that I am town aligned. If I don't do that, simply lynch me.
Why would you vote for a low key mayor that isn't offering anything with the role when I am handing the town a blue-confirmed mayor who can coordinate on a plate? Why wouldn't you want that?
*cringes*
On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.
Would you prefer I simply roleclaim now?
I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.
Would you prefer I simply roleclaim now?
Please, can we finally make him stand up to his word? I've called him out so many time's he's contradicted himself, lied, or greatly misled.
3. Has played anti town.
He has continously played as if scum, leading town by his own hands. He claims to have lynched YM, then sinq is lynched, and he defends YM. He claims to be able to be 100% confirmed, yet now there is no way of knowing whether he is town or not and now he claims he knew he wouldn't be, but he was lying/not telling "for the good of town." I'm sorry, soaking up a POTENTIAL ROLEBLOCKER WHICH MIGHT NOT EVEN EXIST is not a good reason to run on a campaign. Dr. H. He has fished, given poor reasoning, and I'm sure I would find more evidence but believe I have found enough in his first 100-200 posts. If anyone really isn't convinced, I will submit more evidence, albeit relunctantly. Let's see:
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On October 29 2010 08:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
im assuming mayor has bodyguards
mayor should be an experienced player since mafia will try to hit experienced players first.
im assuming mayor has bodyguards
mayor should be an experienced player since mafia will try to hit experienced players first.
Yes they will. I like and don't like this post at the same time. On one side, he's neglecting a very important and perhaps the most important aspect of being mayor: being protected as long as you have a bodyguard, which is really useful for important blue roles. On the other hand, it is a good point to protect expierenced players, albeit I am obviously cautious since he later ran for mayor. Part of my conspiracy portion of the brain thinks he was just setting up for him claiming, but that cannot be proven one way or the other. Next
On October 29 2010 09:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
don't vote for jcarlsoniv he's inexperienced and mostly inactive, not good
orgolove is bad and shouldn't be mayor either
mayor should be an experienced player so we have an experienced player that is protected. medics should also protect our most experienced/best players (ace, bumatlarge, brownbear, infundibulum, etc.)
i'm voting for bumatlarge since he's the best one running currently
don't vote for jcarlsoniv he's inexperienced and mostly inactive, not good
orgolove is bad and shouldn't be mayor either
mayor should be an experienced player so we have an experienced player that is protected. medics should also protect our most experienced/best players (ace, bumatlarge, brownbear, infundibulum, etc.)
i'm voting for bumatlarge since he's the best one running currently
Onoes more conspiracy in mah brain. I agree Jcarl shouldn't be mayor for those reasons, for orgolove he doesn't really give any explanations so that makes me cautious....(but perhaps true, I don't want to be mean :p).
Again says we should protect expierenced players. I'm going to note this, he's basically saying perhaps the most important aspect of mayor that should function in this town is in its aspect to help expierenced players. This is true, albeit I'm unsure of whether that should be the most important. It seems logical to me that mafia would shoot an inexpierenced Mafia-revealer(best role ever) vs. an expierenced townie.
On October 30 2010 04:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
not just an additional person, everyone in the circle should claim. mafia doesn't have incentive to kill them for it so it's all good.
not just an additional person, everyone in the circle should claim. mafia doesn't have incentive to kill them for it so it's all good.
NO! BAD! This is a very anti town move. Pms were, and even with 3 of Fishball's member's dying, are one of the greatest things town has right now. Why? Town circle, obviously. Telling everyone to claim just allows mafia to snipe people off, while giving town really no useful info when just one person claiming would have the same result. this is very suscipcious.
On October 30 2010 05:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
why are you attacking me? i never said i'm the only person revealing my role, but can you use it to prove that you are a town player?
what are you offering aside from that? i'm pretty sure everyone running is gonna roleclaim when they are elected.
why bother to try and make me look bad? why not just say "i'm gonna roleclaim too", why even bring me up?
why are you attacking me? i never said i'm the only person revealing my role, but can you use it to prove that you are a town player?
what are you offering aside from that? i'm pretty sure everyone running is gonna roleclaim when they are elected.
why bother to try and make me look bad? why not just say "i'm gonna roleclaim too", why even bring me up?
First off, annul hardly even attacked you. Quick defense there. Second off, he himself is rolefishing there "what are you offering aside from that." Very poor play in that regards.
On October 30 2010 06:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
people in fishballs circle need to claim already
people in fishballs circle need to claim already
person, yes. People, no.
On October 30 2010 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Is medic protection not enough?
If you are killed then wouldn't that increase suspicion on certain members of the group within the group itself?
Do you know the names of other players in the group and if so can you say who they are since they won't claim themselves? Otherwise there is really no reliable way to confirm your town alignment other than a DT check.
Is medic protection not enough?
If you are killed then wouldn't that increase suspicion on certain members of the group within the group itself?
Do you know the names of other players in the group and if so can you say who they are since they won't claim themselves? Otherwise there is really no reliable way to confirm your town alignment other than a DT check.
Fishes for town circle, trying to find it out. Why would town do this, it would only reveal to the mafia a town circle so they can snipe it. Yet Dr. H is trying to get him to reveal the list.
On October 30 2010 09:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
As far as I see it if Mafia start killing off town aligned members of the circle, they incriminate themselves really in the end. This puts a lot of pressure on mafia as to how they choose their kills and they have to very carefully consider their activity within the circle.
As far as I see it if Mafia start killing off town aligned members of the circle, they incriminate themselves really in the end. This puts a lot of pressure on mafia as to how they choose their kills and they have to very carefully consider their activity within the circle.
Very bad reasoning. Mafia couldn't incriminate themselves since we wouln't know who killed them.
