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On November 01 2010 03:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 03:49 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 03:42 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 01:44 Pandain wrote:On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on
Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?
DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.
Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched? We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived. No comment. Nevermind, you are correct. I misstated: The bodyguard prevents the Mayor from being hit, either during day or during night, and can't die except by Murrayitis or getting lynched. Doesn't that mean the bodyguard can't get hit at night by scum anyway? Is it that revealing this will reveal another aspect of your role that can be vital for town? If so, just say that. Because as of now you dodging just makes me incrediably wary of you. If you can't explain in thread, then I would suggest we somehow incorporate youngminii into a pming circle. I'm unsure how to do that however while still trying to get the doc(doc h that is) connected. Also, if the bodyguard can only be lynched it actually would be advisable for the bodyguard to claim so then we don't lynch him. Of course, that seems a bit OP for town so I would think there must be a lynch-related role of changing the lynch target... Hmm..... if only there was such a role... *wonder why I'm so suscipcious of you* why are you fishing so hard for him to claim? if there is a role that dodges lynches/hides at night I highly doubt it is a scum role. In fact it seem even more likely to me that he was acted upon by another more manipulative role.
Because when someone doesn't get lynched when they're supposed to, there's always a reason. And when there's a reason, there's a motive. Unless a part of his role involves always not getting lynched, in which case he should say so.
I don't want him to claim in thread if it hurts(thus through pms) and I don't even want him to claim entirely. I just want to know why he's not dead. Remember this is insane mafia, we need to make sense of what's happening.
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On November 01 2010 03:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think it is very possible there is a bus driver role that switched youngminii and SiNiquity, causing my lynch to go through to SiN. Or there is a role that can hide during the night, or hide someone else.
I very much doubt youngminii has a role that makes him permanently immune to lynches and that if that role existed it would certainly not be a scum role.
Medics should protect our most experienced players for now. Period. That's Fishball, Bumatlarge, Ace, BrownBear, infundibulum, and possibly Divinek (not sure exactly how much of a vet he is)
Medics should NOT protect me obviously.
Huh missed this. I didn't think a bus driver was able to switch lynches....
And I'm confused by what you mean by "hide during the night."
And I disagree about a role immune to lynches being a town role. To me, a role immune to night hits would be town, a role immune to lynches would be mafia. Who's going to get hit at night? Town(mafia/town if there are vigis)
Who's going to be lynched in day?
mafia/town
A role involving immunity to lynches would almost certainly be a scum role in my eyes. If you can point out another game where it was not, I would be much obliged.
On November 01 2010 03:53 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 03:49 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 03:42 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 01:44 Pandain wrote:On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on
Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?
DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.
Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched? We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived.
Well let's find out:
Artanis, can a bodyguard be lynched?
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On November 01 2010 04:07 youngminii wrote:
Seriously Pandain? The lynch is the town's greatest weapon, you can't make scum immune to lynches without making the game horribly imbalanced.
In any case, why don't you think about it carefully before telling me to claim? If I'm invincible, no one will believe me. If I'm immune to lynches, mafia will kill me. If I'm able to manipulate something, that will make me just as suspicious as I am now.
Stop being an idiot and play the game properly. You always do this over-analytical crap which doesn't work. Go back a step and think before you post. Maybe you should start with the first post where clearly says PMs are not allowed.
Exactly, and what happens when you get rid of the town's greatest weapon? Albeit I have to think about making the game imba, albeit with every person having a role I'm not surprised if there's a counter.
I know you didn't read the thread entirely, so I'll just tell you it's already known by know there are roles where pms are allowed. If you're invincible, town(at least me) is not going to be like "wtf". If your immune, well then actually we might let you die if it will help other roles live
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On November 01 2010 04:17 youngminii wrote:He didn't PM me, he seems to be using "why aren't you PMing others" as an argument. Show nested quote +If you can't explain in thread, then I would suggest we somehow incorporate youngminii into a pming circle Show nested quote +I don't want him to claim in thread if it hurts(thus through pms) and I don't even want him to claim entirely Sorry Pandain, you're not an idiot, your arguments are. Show nested quote +I know you didn't read the thread entirely, so I'll just tell you it's already known by know there are roles where pms are allowed. If you're invincible, town(at least me) is not going to be like "wtf". If your immune, well then actually we might let you die if it will help other roles live So you're assuming that I can PM people and your argument is that I should be roleclaiming through PMs? And please, tell me how letting me die is a good thing? Back up your arguments. In any case, your posts have been hugely scummy to me, but then again they always are. I've never been in a mafia game where you've given solid arguments as a townie.
Reread my posts. I was saying perhaps we should include you into a pming circle.
As for you dying, I'm actually considering whether it would be better than someone else. Because most likely maifa will go after either the active townies, veterans, or the people who have already claimed valuable roles. You are not a Vet(albeit good), you are not exactly active, and you do not have a "valuable role" except in one scenario I'm thinking of in which it's like the thor rush+scvs, in that you can't be killed if we constantly protect you. However, that would still mean town numbers would have to be greater than mafia.
As for the lynch role being town, I'm considering it as of now. But keep in mind we don't even know if that's what he has, he's told us nothing. That's what I'm especially cautious of.
As for Aeres, that's great news. Just one question, did artanis tell you there were two, or are you assuming there are because dxcvii basically claimed as one.
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On November 01 2010 06:17 Ace wrote:
Guys, stop and think for a second.
Misder and Pandain both tried to ask youngminii for information, pretty much trying to force a role claim.
AT NIGHT!.
we can't vote right now so why force a roleclain out of youngminii? Both of them need to be looked at heavily from now on. If you're a Detective please investigate one of these guys and if they flip Scum do some damage.
except I didn't, and I said we should try getting him into contact with a pm circle if he feels he shouldn't share. But fine, you have a good point about it being night. Afterwards, I'm still pushing for him to explain.
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On November 01 2010 06:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:However I will note that he changed his stance after I called him out on aggressive fishing that he did here: Show nested quote +Is it that revealing this will reveal another aspect of your role that can be vital for town? If so, just say that. Because as of now you dodging just makes me incrediably wary of you. If you can't explain in thread, then I would suggest we somehow incorporate youngminii into a pming circle. I'm unsure how to do that however while still trying to get the doc(doc h that is) connected. Also, if the bodyguard can only be lynched it actually would be advisable for the bodyguard to claim so then we don't lynch him. Of course, that seems a bit OP for town so I would think there must be a lynch-related role of changing the lynch target...
This is a pretty weak qualifier. Bum claims he can bring one person per night into the PMing circle and my guess is that YM wasn't his first choice, it seems unlikely that this scenario would occur at all and the only other alternative Pandain presents is an open roleclaim. I'm wary. You did later say you don't want him to claim if it hurts but that could very well be to save face.
Oh yes, my aggressive fishing. You can just feel the furor in this obviously rolefishing post!
On November 01 2010 01:44 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on
Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?
DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.
Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched? We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived.
-.-.
I said I didn't know how we were going to do it, but that's why I said I was unsure. It's open for debate. Note I said "I'm unsure how to do that however while still trying to get the doc(doc h that is) connected".
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On November 01 2010 08:05 Node wrote:
At the beginning of the day, I am informed of a person who will die during the night. This is why I believe the "+1" of the mafia's 2+1 KP is not murrayitis related. If I had to guess, I would say that it's a randomly chosen townie, as I can't see the mafia having a predetermined hit at the beginning of the day, especially on the first day.
and so why the frick didn't you say so so we can protect him.
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Clues:
There are no clues in this game. Clues suck.
unless its been changed...
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On November 01 2010 08:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:21 Pandain wrote:Clues:
There are no clues in this game. Clues suck. unless its been changed... there are clear and obvious references to roles, but there are no clues referring to players specifically (i.e we cannot determined who killed who from the night post) but it seems we are being given a summary of different things that happened during the night. are you trying to get us not to analyse the day post at all? are you worried about what conclusions we may draw?
Just making sure we don't start analyzing clues and linking them to players. Clues=/= details about role/events.
Well, right now we either definitely have more than 1 bodyguard(meaning the mods DO lie), or we caught two mafia, which doesn't make sense because one claimed because he did/did not trust the other.
I'm still waiting to hear from DXCVII before making any more judgements, as his "claim" of bodyguard was sort of vauge, albeit revealing.
Node when do you find out who's gonna die. Now?
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On November 01 2010 08:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It's possible I was roleblocked in that case.
On November 01 2010 08:37 Lexpar wrote:
Same.
On November 01 2010 08:39 Glasse wrote:
It's possible i was roleblocked too then :3
wtf.
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Guys relax, right now we have some things going for us. Let's stop panicing and start working. First of all, we have some definite leads into the realm of mafia:
1.The Main 4: Fishball, Bum, me, and Dr. H. One of us is most likely mafia. All have had decent votes on us on at least one time, and I find it likely mafia would try to get a mayor elected.
2.The Bodyguards:
DXCVII, Aeres, and Annul. Annul's dead and confirmed, and the mods said there is only one bodyguard. Actually there is one slightly good thing about DXCVII dying, and that is if we decide we trust him instead of aeres, we can not lynch him and just let him die.
3.Analysis.
It's panda time. It's too late for me to do a good one right now, but I'll be laying down the smack down tommorow.
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I don't see why Node would tell us who would die if he was mafia. First of all, it was before the day ended, so if BB ended up getting protected(does that work?) mafia would lose one hit.
In addition, the 2kp+1 makes me think mafia have two kp, and that there is an additional kp they have. But why is it separate, that's what I'm wondering. Most likely, it has something to do with this. Since, as node pointed out, mafia couldn't predetermine their kills at the beginning.
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On November 01 2010 10:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 10:46 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:40 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote:
DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK. I have a 100% way to confirm myself to another player through my night action if it goes through, this is still the case. that's not really 100% at all if you're roleblocked, it's more like 0% re read the sentence I read it fine the first time. You say this is still the case, and it is. But that is NOT what you claimed. On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.
I'm now worried that you duped us in order to get into the mayor position. No. If my night action succeeds, it 100% confirms itself to the player that is poked. If I am roleblock my night action doesn't succeed. I'm talking about if it succeeds it's a for sure confirmation, roleblocking is irrelevant to what I'm saying infinitestory. I'm a man of my word. If the town thinks I made up my role and that I am scum then obviously I'm the best choice for a lynch.
Alright I believed you. I believed you for a while because you said "Don't worry, as soon as I'm elected I can confirm myself ASAP." But now I'm highly in doubt as to whether you are really town.
For starters, your not a man of your word, kindly pointed out by coag. What you're doing is actually quite smart from a mafia perspective.
am offering myself for lynch if the information I'm giving is found to be unreliable. So as mafia here, I'm sacrificing myself. my scumbuddies, and making claims that I cannot fulfill.
An utterly retarded thing to do. Not to mention the fact that being mayor barely benefits mafia in this case. The only real benefit is immunity to vig hits and the second vote.
You make bold claims like this to get elected, and then can easily back out when you claim to be roleblocked. Since we don't know what roles there are, it's a perfect scam. We have no way of knowing if your telling the truth.
It's this post that really got me though.
On November 01 2010 10:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The following is still true:
-if my poke goes through, it confirms my identity to the player that receives it
the player that receives a poke can lie and say "they did not receive a poke"
-it is a night action, this was clear as soon as I claimed my role, and it is obvious that it is subject to things like commuter, bus driver, roleblocker, w/e
-I anticipated the fact that I would be a prime candidate for a roleblocker, soaking up roleblocks on my poke, freeing up other roles that are potentially much more powerful to act
-once the conversation began about my possible insanity and the possibility of any roles insanity (confirmed even further by orgoloves death) i think the idea of 100% confirmation pretty much fell through the cracks and it isn't something I held onto. It's possible that the whole poke is a lie, that it never goes through, and that the role is designed to make me think I can confirm myself to others when nothing actually happens
-I acknowledged throughout my campaign multiple scenarios in which my role could be compromised by different scenarios involving various amounts of insanity
So now you're saying the poke may not even exist. Basically, what your saying is "the mods are lying about my role". That's just like saying "OOPS! This is what my role REALLY does." very scummy in my eyes.
Finally, if you anticipated the fact you could be roleblocked, why did you constantly claim you could confirm yourself to be 100%.
Things just don't add up.
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In addition, now your casting serious doubt as to whether node is really what he says he is. But, why would he lie?
Assuming we act upon it, we send a medic to go protect him. If, as you say, they then have a secret suicide bomber(btw its not that great to say "well what if they have this role! Therefore, in this unlikely scenario this could occur, therefore he is a fake." At most we lose 1 medic, but then we catch a mafia, and have so much information from there.
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On November 01 2010 11:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:01 Pandain wrote:
In addition, now your casting serious doubt as to whether node is really what he says he is. But, why would he lie?
Assuming we act upon it, we send a medic to go protect him. If, as you say, they then have a secret suicide bomber(btw its not that great to say "well what if they have this role! Therefore, in this unlikely scenario this could occur, therefore he is a fake." At most we lose 1 medic, but then we catch a mafia, and have so much information from there.
I merely said it's an easy role to fake and could set up a lot of potential mafia plays. His claims shouldn't merely be accepted at face value. I never even put an FoS on him or anything.
But then:
1.Why would he say whos gonig to get hit before the night ends, therefore leaving open the possibility of a failed hit
2.The fact at worst we'll lose a medic but catch a mafia and suicide bomber.
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Coag didn't catch me lying. I was somehow prevented from taking my confirmation action, it's as simple as that.
But how do we know that? The fact is you claimed to have a 100% way of confirming yourself as town, and now that is cast aside. That is why you were elected mayor.
This isn't an easy back out at all. I'm not claiming I was roleblocked. Jcarls could be lying, he could have been bussed, or I could have an insane role that cannot poke at all. If I were to be faking roleblocks the entire time that would require me to have made up my role, a scenario which my posting history shows to be highly unlikely.
Oh yes, because definitely Jcarls would be lying about this. Or the fact that mafia just somehow knew jcarl would be picked, and again don't defend yourself by claiming you don't know the role. As for faking the role, I highly believe you are a godfather. Obviously, if it exists, it would be used on the mayor canidate.
I'm not saying they are lying about my role or anything like that. I'm accepting the possibility that my role could be an insane. A possibility originally brought up by OTHER players and a possibility which no player in this game should ignore in regards to anyones role or their own role.
So they just gave you a townie role? that is the basis of your role, they wouldn't lie about that. Again, what's happening here is now your claming your role is different, which while somewhat plausible in this set up, definitely suscipcious and too easy an excuse.
As I said earlier, I anticipated the fact that I could be roleblocked and didn't bring it up because soaking up all the roleblocks would be advantageous to the town.
Having an unconfirmed mayor is advantageous to the town? Especially when that mayor promised he would be 100% confirmed, and that is why he became mayor?
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It's not cast aside. I have a 100% way of confirming myself. If the poke goes through, it confirms me to the player I poked. If it's blocked, then it's blocked. That doesn't mean the poke doesn't exist or doesn't work at all unless my role is insane.
Ya, but then a roleblocker just happens to block you, and if you said(and keep saying) you have a 100% way of confirming yourself, why would you stick to that if you knew you were a *in your own words* "a prime canidate for a roleblocker", why would you campaign on that basis. It's just dilebrately misleading town. Basically, you ran through the campaign there was a chance you could never be confirmed. THAT IS WHY YOU GOT ELECTED! So why would you run if you knew you couldn't be confirmed!
Why the soft defense of Jcarls? He could very well be lying. I'm not accusing him of it and I think it's more likely I was roleblocked but it sounds like you don't even want to consider the possibility.
Alright, so now you take back what you said. I'm saying its highly unlikely, far fetched, and yes you did accuse him.
On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did?
You believe I'm godfather? Did I then make up the role of sticky? Do you think my role exists or that I'm faking everything Pandain?
For all I know you could be mafia and have the role. You might not have the role at all. I know you to be a very smart, cunning, and manipulative mafia, this is not beyond your reach. All I know is that your actions have been anti town
I'm not claiming my role is different. I'm claiming I could be. It's idiotic to call this an excuse, this applies to all of us. Your role could be something other than you think it is, some of the mechanics could be fake, there could be deception in it. Orgoloves role description on his death PROVED this was a possibility beyond a shadow of a doubt. Stop trying to make it look like I'm changing my role, I'm accounting for the fact that it could be insane.
See, this is the problem. Your defense is "what if...", "well maybe" and "it could". There has been no solid explanation of your actions thus far.
No having an unconfirmed mayor isn't advantageous. Having a mayor soak up all the roleblocks for the town is advantageous. That's the point I'm making. Don't make it a different point.
Alright, you soak up a possible roleblocker, which we can't even confirm exists because your unconfirmed.
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On November 01 2010 11:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:30 Pandain wrote:It's not cast aside. I have a 100% way of confirming myself. If the poke goes through, it confirms me to the player I poked. If it's blocked, then it's blocked. That doesn't mean the poke doesn't exist or doesn't work at all unless my role is insane.Ya, but then a roleblocker just happens to block you, and if you said(and keep saying) you have a 100% way of confirming yourself, why would you stick to that if you knew you were a *in your own words* "a prime canidate for a roleblocker", why would you campaign on that basis. It's just dilebrately misleading town. Basically, you ran through the campaign there was a chance you could never be confirmed. THAT IS WHY YOU GOT ELECTED! So why would you run if you knew you couldn't be confirmed!
Why the soft defense of Jcarls? He could very well be lying. I'm not accusing him of it and I think it's more likely I was roleblocked but it sounds like you don't even want to consider the possibility.Alright, so now you take back what you said. I'm saying its highly unlikely, far fetched, and yes you did accuse him. On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did?
You believe I'm godfather? Did I then make up the role of sticky? Do you think my role exists or that I'm faking everything Pandain?For all I know you could be mafia and have the role. You might not have the role at all. I know you to be a very smart, cunning, and manipulative mafia, this is not beyond your reach. All I know is that your actions have been anti town
I'm not claiming my role is different. I'm claiming I could be. It's idiotic to call this an excuse, this applies to all of us. Your role could be something other than you think it is, some of the mechanics could be fake, there could be deception in it. Orgoloves role description on his death PROVED this was a possibility beyond a shadow of a doubt. Stop trying to make it look like I'm changing my role, I'm accounting for the fact that it could be insane.See, this is the problem. Your defense is "what if...", "well maybe" and "it could". There has been no solid explanation of your actions thus far. No having an unconfirmed mayor isn't advantageous. Having a mayor soak up all the roleblocks for the town is advantageous. That's the point I'm making. Don't make it a different point.Alright, you soak up a possible roleblocker, which we can't even confirm exists because your unconfirmed. While I don't necessarily like being suspected, I don't feel like Dr.H was accusing me. He was bringing up a potential scenario, which is very legitimate. This is something I and many others were doing to him while he was campaigning. I appreciate the soft defense Pandain, but I don't think it's necessary to blow it out of proportion. It is reasonable for him to bring up scenarios that would discredit him.
An accusation isn't necessarily a full out thesis. Bringing up points like this, which I've already pointed out are illogical, are exactly what characterize a scum in my eyes.
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On November 01 2010 11:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:That's assuming it was even a roleblock. In this game there are a lot of speculative scenarios we can get into in which things might not work. I did later let the idea of "100% confirmation" fall through as it became increasingly apparent I may not even be able to trust Artanis. If it is a roleblock then the mafia have to make the choice to either keep roleblocking me so they can keep making me look suspicious or to use it on someone else now that I've informed them that I anticipated this play. By the time we had the first suscipcions the mods could be lying you had already secured the election. There were two hours left. Furthormore, I don't understand how this "insanity" would prevent you from doing a poke. How could that kind of a role even have an insane aspect. But yet even in two hours you make this post:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Pandain is my second choice for now but I'm not sure since he claims to have an uber important role. But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself?
I have a weird feeling about Nemesis. his vote is for pandain but iirc he supported me mostly in this thread. correct me if I'm wrong maybe I'm thinking about someone else.
Also if the boogerthrower knows the identity of the mafia voter somehow, come out and claim. You'll be medic protected 100%. Here you admit your role is most important in the ability to confirm yourself. This is after it was revealed there was a chance the mods are deceiving us. And yet you have admitted you are a prime contender for a roleblocker, but keep on going. Things do not add upWhy would I take back what I said? All I said is that jcarls could have lied and that it is much easier for him to lie. I've brought a lot of attention on myself and said a lot about my role, these are things jcarls hasn't done. Your defense of him is getting more irrational. I will not take back my claim because all I claimed is that he could have lied and that is would be a very easy play for him to make. That would make it more likely a lie on his end than a lie on my end but I believe it is likely a lie on NEITHER of our ends and is merely a roleblock. That is a point i emphasized many times yet you're still saying I accused him of being mafia. I asked him a question, brought up the possibility that he lied, but I didn't accuse him of being a liar or a mafia. You're putting words in my mouth and it is very very obvious Pandain. A tribute to your so-called "transparency". It's a lie to say I'm fervently defending jcarl. What I'm doing is pointing out that your theory does not make sense. And so you bring this up, but don't think he's mafia? So why would you bring it up, since it could only bring suscipcion upon him. It's because your trying to find your way out of this mess."For all I know you could or couldn't be". Ok that's a tautology isn't it? You're over rating me as a mafia player and then saying my actions are anti town. But lets not say how they're anti-town right? Is it anti-town to soak up roleblocks to help other roles? Is it anti-town because as far as I know I have the best chance of confirming my role to another player with my night action? It is anti town to lie to get elected, to claim your role is important and that is why you must get elected, and then admit there's possiblities you can't confirm yourself. It is anti town to make grasps at logic and far fetched theories. It is anti town because if you were town and you know/knew a roleblocker would ruin your "confirmation" you wouldn't have lied and said otherwise, and if you were mafia it makes perfect sense.Your attack is what if well maybe and it could. I explained all of my actions. I explained why I didn't talk about the possiblity of roleclaiming. I explained why I later ditched the "100%" thing. I've explained why I've done and said everything I've said. To say that I'm mafia becaue I'm not 100% town isn't a good argument.
You didn't ditch the 100% thing, you've defended yourself using the "what if's, it could, and perhaps".
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On November 01 2010 11:58 Misder wrote:
Well, we now know almost certainly that DH is vulnerable. Now the question is whether or not protecting him is the right thing, as again, there is speculation on whether or not hes mafia or not. Right now, I'm pretty torn. People are right on how there really is no way to gaurantee that DH will have an opportunity to confirm himself. Then again, he's making good analysis and making everything up is pretty hard to do... unless he got his mafia buddies to help. Maybe (speculation again...) he made up the role, and he and his mafia made it based on Bill Murray on purpose to make it sound believable. It's really stretched, but a possibility. Anyone know who pointed out the link between Sticky and the stick of Bill Murray?
I wonder if mafia knew that annul was a bodygaurd. It seems so out of there. Why would mafia try to go for annul in the first place? It's not like he made any amazingly good posts that would screw up mafia.
actually he hasn't made any good analysis, if you note all he's done is say "they could be this, but then again they could be that."
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