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On October 30 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 11:46 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 11:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 11:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:25 Pandain wrote:Me:I've already said mayors should obviously be involved in town circles Dr: H You also just said it could be very useful for the mayor to be in such a circle and now you say "what use is the circle at all!"
Dr: H(previous)You never implied I was operating solely in secret? You can't bury your very obvious statements Pandain, no matter how bad you want to diffuse this argument. Dr. H(after)You did not say I was solely operating in secret I want DTS checking Dr. H, at the very least if he's mafia it will force them to elect him godfather(which would probably be the best move anyway) Good job pointing out nothing again Pandain. I am saying you implied I was operating solely in secret. I quoted bolded and red'd the part where you implied that (to my interpretation). I never ever once said you literally used the same words. This is bad wordplay and it does nothing but discredit me for no reason It seems like you are trying to say "the circle is a good thing and should be taken advantage of" and "the circle is a bad thing and should be feared" at the same time. Your rhetoric throughout the game seems to me to be emphasizing the latter. In case you are arguing because you are confused by what I mean, since it seems you are wholly misinterpeting and twisting my words, I will explain Yes,the circle is a good thing. It is an incredible asset to town and should be used wisely. However, it is also to be feared. A circle is not a group of confirmed townies, in this game it is merely a group of people who can pm(since only Dr. H would be confirmed.) Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well. But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. I know your very expierenced and beast as mafia but as of now your arguments just don't have substance. Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. Pms and town circles in this game imo should only be used for stuff a blue can't say in thread or risk being killed(aka dt checks and finds scum.) Besides that, it is wholly unconfirmed. OK, so you don't think it's useless. KK "Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well." Nope, my role has a second ability which can be used to coordinate blue action and stop the plague. That helps the town immensely. But do you need to be mayor? So this point is irrelevant " But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. " As opposed to a non existent third option? Ya, theres no third party, I've explained why earlier "Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. " You're doing the same thing NB is doing. You're basically saying "Dr.H is no good as a townie" when I have never been a townie in the past. So I assume you are basing that in my scumhunting in this game and I can't say I agree. Mind telling me what targets are better? I don't know if your no good as townie. I do know that I'm not mafia(lol what good is saying that though :p) so your off there. I'll post analysis tommorow on people. Hopefuly we get more posts by then. " And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. " Do it.I believe the same thing about myself. How is it irrelevant that I can help the town immensely as mayor? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard : / So you criticize my townie play, without knowing that i'm bad or good at townie. ok
Its irrelevant being mayor. Please, read my post. I clearly say "but do you need to be mayor? THEREFORE, the point is irrelevant" regarding the election.
And I don't make a final judgement on your play, whether townie or mafia, but your arguments against me are poor, and rightly so given I have done no wrong. If I have, point it out, and see I have done nothing malicious.
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On October 30 2010 11:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 11:52 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:46 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 11:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 11:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:25 Pandain wrote:Me:I've already said mayors should obviously be involved in town circles Dr: H You also just said it could be very useful for the mayor to be in such a circle and now you say "what use is the circle at all!"
Dr: H(previous)You never implied I was operating solely in secret? You can't bury your very obvious statements Pandain, no matter how bad you want to diffuse this argument. Dr. H(after)You did not say I was solely operating in secret I want DTS checking Dr. H, at the very least if he's mafia it will force them to elect him godfather(which would probably be the best move anyway) Good job pointing out nothing again Pandain. I am saying you implied I was operating solely in secret. I quoted bolded and red'd the part where you implied that (to my interpretation). I never ever once said you literally used the same words. This is bad wordplay and it does nothing but discredit me for no reason It seems like you are trying to say "the circle is a good thing and should be taken advantage of" and "the circle is a bad thing and should be feared" at the same time. Your rhetoric throughout the game seems to me to be emphasizing the latter. In case you are arguing because you are confused by what I mean, since it seems you are wholly misinterpeting and twisting my words, I will explain Yes,the circle is a good thing. It is an incredible asset to town and should be used wisely. However, it is also to be feared. A circle is not a group of confirmed townies, in this game it is merely a group of people who can pm(since only Dr. H would be confirmed.) Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well. But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. I know your very expierenced and beast as mafia but as of now your arguments just don't have substance. Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. Pms and town circles in this game imo should only be used for stuff a blue can't say in thread or risk being killed(aka dt checks and finds scum.) Besides that, it is wholly unconfirmed. OK, so you don't think it's useless. KK "Alright, so great, you become mayor, and the only thing that happens is you become confirmed. I can confirm myself as well." Nope, my role has a second ability which can be used to coordinate blue action and stop the plague. That helps the town immensely. But do you need to be mayor? So this point is irrelevant " But as it stands, either you are mafia again or this is your first time as townie. " As opposed to a non existent third option? Ya, theres no third party, I've explained why earlier "Your scum hunting just isn't on radar. " You're doing the same thing NB is doing. You're basically saying "Dr.H is no good as a townie" when I have never been a townie in the past. So I assume you are basing that in my scumhunting in this game and I can't say I agree. Mind telling me what targets are better? I don't know if your no good as townie. I do know that I'm not mafia(lol what good is saying that though :p) so your off there. I'll post analysis tommorow on people. Hopefuly we get more posts by then. " And that's why I'm running for mayor, because I believe I can contribute really good analysis that everyone can discuss, and I will help make a final decision. " Do it.I believe the same thing about myself. How is it irrelevant that I can help the town immensely as mayor? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard : / So you criticize my townie play, without knowing that i'm bad or good at townie. ok Its irrelevant being mayor. Please, read my post. I clearly say "but do you need to be mayor? THEREFORE, the point is irrelevant" regarding the election. And I don't make a final judgement on your play, whether townie or mafia, but your arguments against me are poor, and rightly so given I have done no wrong. If I have, point it out, and see I have done nothing malicious. No it's not irrelevant because my being mayor greatly improves my ability to help the town out.
How. Does your role say "if mayor my powers increase 10x"
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On October 30 2010 12:05 Fishball wrote:
To be honest, I do think all this debating is getting quite stupid and going in circles.
Most of my replies have been mentioned before and it's just repeat and repeat.
You never really answered this for me sufficently. Can you?
Here's the thing, I don't see why you have to be mayor for this circle if you have medic protection. I've already said I think the circle is a very good thing to have and we should use it to our advantage, but focusing around that will be very hard since there's a chance there might not be any mafia at all! What, are we going to check all 6 people? That's going to take way too long. I'm just confused about how you would go about that, if you could clarify.
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On October 30 2010 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 12:05 Fishball wrote:
To be honest, I do think all this debating is getting quite stupid and going in circles.
Most of my replies have been mentioned before and it's just repeat and repeat.
Agreed. I think it would be a good idea for all mayoral candidates to restate their platform without attacking anybody else. It might clarify a lot of things and it would give everyone a chance to say exactly what they mean without it being twisted by mafia discreditors
Agreed as well. yay for good election decorum!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On October 30 2010 12:14 annul wrote:
my platform is "i want bodyguards, i think my role is great for bodyguard protection"
but i am obviously not winning this one.
i dont necessarily believe drh yet, but i do not want to vote pandain because he lied, as a town, in haunted and i really dont understand that play whatsoever. if he lies as town why mayor him up?
I lie when its neccesary. In that game I was goofing around because I got townie for like the 7th time. But even then, I managed to lead the town on a good direction until I died. Fortunately, this game I actually have a role! Also I'm getting sleepy and when I get sleepy I spam so sorry and won't post till morning. 'Night all.
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Alright, I decided Dr. H would be a better mayor than me. I did somewhat get caught up in my own ego and emotion and realized during the Rally to restore Sanity and/or Fear that, if he can really confirm himself to be 100% town, that I would trust him above myself.
As for that mafia vote, I think it's just a ploy to make people disbelieve him. This is what really stuck with me, why would they do that when they know he would already win? I think it's just a poor/desperate play.
Don't let me down Dr. H.,
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On October 31 2010 08:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:18 Pandain wrote:
Alright, I decided Dr. H would be a better mayor than me. I did somewhat get caught up in my own ego and emotion and realized during the Rally to restore Sanity and/or Fear that, if he can really confirm himself to be 100% town, that I would trust him above myself.
As for that mafia vote, I think it's just a ploy to make people disbelieve him. This is what really stuck with me, why would they do that when they know he would already win? I think it's just a poor/desperate play.
Don't let me down Dr. H., Not a desperate play. Why would mafia put their 1 useless vote behind their own candidate. The only sensible choice it to put it on the largest bandwagon in this case, especially if they can twist it to make me look bad. I find it odd you're trying to play down your candidacy now when it's pretty clear I've won the election at this point. Why bother?
Idk...
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On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:46 bumatlarge wrote:On October 31 2010 08:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 08:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Have we solidified a day one lynch? I feel like this should be our highest priority right now, we've only got a few hours left. I'm still suggesting youngminii because of his scummish posts. Although I feel like Kenpachi would be a good lynch as well, the possibility that he's afk or something gives him enough reasonable doubt that I don't think he should go day one. SiNiquity is my first choice at the moment. Similar post to youngminii but I feel more confident that his actual vote was scummy than youngs. I feel that Pandain or BumAtLarge have the highest chances of being scum mayor so I'm looking at their supporters and posting atm. There is some truth to this, I've been looking through the thread and I've noticed a little something relevant. I think a few of us have suggested lynching a candidate. If there was no mafia candidate, I'd imagine a few scum would say that would seem like a good idea. But it was basically you, fishball and myself who have hinted at doing this. No one commented on it. I think it's likely one of the candidates are scum. Though we only really mentioned it when we were looking like we were gaining soe ground in the race. Kill Pandain I say :D Pandain is my second choice for now but I'm not sure since he claims to have an uber important role. But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself? I have a weird feeling about Nemesis. his vote is for pandain but iirc he supported me mostly in this thread. correct me if I'm wrong maybe I'm thinking about someone else. Also if the boogerthrower knows the identity of the mafia voter somehow, come out and claim. You'll be medic protected 100%.
I don't understand why I'm under suspicion except for a couple facts:
1.Like 5 people voted me without a "sufficient" explanation.
2.I'm one of the running canidates.
Obviously the second one is the most convincing one, as I severely doubt that mafia could just sit back and let town take the election. So that leaves Dr. H(to be confirmed), Fishball, Bumatlarge, and Me.
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On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 31 2010 09:01 Pandain wrote:On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 08:46 bumatlarge wrote:On October 31 2010 08:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 08:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Have we solidified a day one lynch? I feel like this should be our highest priority right now, we've only got a few hours left. I'm still suggesting youngminii because of his scummish posts. Although I feel like Kenpachi would be a good lynch as well, the possibility that he's afk or something gives him enough reasonable doubt that I don't think he should go day one. SiNiquity is my first choice at the moment. Similar post to youngminii but I feel more confident that his actual vote was scummy than youngs. I feel that Pandain or BumAtLarge have the highest chances of being scum mayor so I'm looking at their supporters and posting atm. There is some truth to this, I've been looking through the thread and I've noticed a little something relevant. I think a few of us have suggested lynching a candidate. If there was no mafia candidate, I'd imagine a few scum would say that would seem like a good idea. But it was basically you, fishball and myself who have hinted at doing this. No one commented on it. I think it's likely one of the candidates are scum. Though we only really mentioned it when we were looking like we were gaining soe ground in the race. Kill Pandain I say :D Pandain is my second choice for now but I'm not sure since he claims to have an uber important role. But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself? I have a weird feeling about Nemesis. his vote is for pandain but iirc he supported me mostly in this thread. correct me if I'm wrong maybe I'm thinking about someone else. Also if the boogerthrower knows the identity of the mafia voter somehow, come out and claim. You'll be medic protected 100%. I don't understand why I'm under suspicion except for a couple facts: 1.Like 5 people voted me without a "sufficient" explanation. 2.I'm one of the running canidates. Obviously the second one is the most convincing one, as I severely doubt that mafia could just sit back and let town take the election. So that leaves Dr. H(to be confirmed), Fishball, Bumatlarge, and Me. The fact that people voted for you without sufficient explanation is exactly why you are under suspicion. What reason would they have to vote for you at all? There were plenty of candidates that started running (myself and ghrur to name a couple off the top of my head) that got no votes. Why would they choose you without any good reason to? I'm more concerned with the way he just handed the election to me after it was clear I was winning, when he was so critical of me before, and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town. He said "oh i can confirm myself being town" but now he's letting me have it because I can confirm myself as being town? wut?
Again, I really have been really arragont in this game. Without a shadow of a doubt, you ARE a better player than me. I was more concerned that I may have a better role and the fact if you are town you are a valuable asset(and you can confirm yourself as town.) I've passed myself off as expierenced, when really I don't have anything to back that up. I need to play some more games before I can earn that respect.
Also my role can still only "indirectly" confirm me. You would understand but I don't want to give too much away. Plus the fact that you're winning makes it easier to concede :p
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Hmmm... all these vote related things make me cautious. One of the things we had to be wary of in Caller's game since there were so many vote related roles that we had to be sure not to have an even split in lynches, as that means mafia will easily be able to manipulate the vote their way. If we always have 3 "normal" days in each day cycle, then I suggest we come to a conclusion early. That means everyone has to be especially active in the beginning, not just at the end. We do NOT want to leave a lynch in the hands of mafia.
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On October 31 2010 09:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Pandain can you confirm your role if you are not elected and if it is a role that confirms itself to a single other player I would request you confirm it to me. I won't roleclaim for you but I'll confirm your innocence to the town.
I'm confused by what you mean. Yes, my role will work just as well without being elected, albeit this means I would request medics to protect me since I will not have bodyguards. The way I can confirm my role would actually sort of reveal my role. I would welcome DT's to check me, and then they can confirm who I am to the circle.
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On October 31 2010 09:22 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 09:20 Pandain wrote:
Hmmm... all these vote related things make me cautious. One of the things we had to be wary of in Caller's game since there were so many vote related roles that we had to be sure not to have an even split in lynches, as that means mafia will easily be able to manipulate the vote their way. If we always have 3 "normal" days in each day cycle, then I suggest we come to a conclusion early. That means everyone has to be especially active in the beginning, not just at the end. We do NOT want to leave a lynch in the hands of mafia. This is a great point. We have no clue what Artanis and LSB are gonna throw at us; Pandain is 99% correct! I'm confused by the bolded part of your statement, though. What are you talking about there? = /
We had 72 hours, no?
I really need to refresh so I can answer multiple questions in one post.
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On October 31 2010 10:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:ShmotZ the Mafia Do-Gooder has been modkilled. Show nested quote +You are the Mafia Do-gooder! You never really wanted to be part of the mafia, but your dad just happened to be Al Capone so you were forced into it. Every day, you get an additional vote every day, but have to use it to vote on one of the mafia. If you are the only mafia left, you are relieved of this.
Haha wtf is this? Worst role ever, no?
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Alright, here's my thoughts for the night thus far.
Bum should visit Dr. H, Dr. H can therefore confirm if he's town. I doubt mafia would have a mason, as the only real benefit of that is you can fake a townie(aka, mafia can already pm). DT's should check me and Fishball, as we are both unconfirmed. Doctor H, if I understand you correctly, you are able to confirm yourself to another player. Once you do so, they should say so in thread the next day.
DT's should only claim if they find a red in me or Fishball, otherwise they would be claiming for no reason. If not, then next night perhaps they should check the opposite person, or would that be too many nights in a row? Of course, I think its pretty certain mafia must've put in a scum canidate, so I think it would be worth even two nights checking.
Medics should protect Dr. H, me, Fishball, and lastly Bum, since he's probably the least important. I'm unsure how to get them to all protect an individual person since we don't know who they are, but that's just my suggestions for them.
PD's should be on Dr. H. We want him to have immunity asap. I think actually not on Bum, since perhaps he should confirm himself to bum, therefore finding out if bum has murrayitis. If he does, then cure both of them the next night, limiting murrayitis.
Thoughts?
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On October 31 2010 11:07 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 10:54 Pandain wrote:
Alright, here's my thoughts for the night thus far.
Bum should visit Dr. H, Dr. H can therefore confirm if he's town. I doubt mafia would have a mason, as the only real benefit of that is you can fake a townie(aka, mafia can already pm). DT's should check me and Fishball, as we are both unconfirmed. Doctor H, if I understand you correctly, you are able to confirm yourself to another player. Once you do so, they should say so in thread the next day.
How does this work?
Sorry didn't come out right. I mean doctor H can then confirm HIMSELF to bum.
On October 31 2010 11:00 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 10:54 Pandain wrote:
Medics should protect Dr. H, me, Fishball, and lastly Bum, since he's probably the least important. I'm unsure how to get them to all protect an individual person since we don't know who they are, but that's just my suggestions for them.
PD's should be on Dr. H. We want him to have immunity asap. I think actually not on Bum, since perhaps he should confirm himself to bum, therefore finding out if bum has murrayitis. If he does, then cure both of them the next night, limiting murrayitis.
Thoughts? Err no and no. DrH doesn't need a medic because he has bodyguards and he didn't need a Plague Doctor because he is immune.
With only one body guard, mafia can double hit him, no? And is he already immune? I thought he can only tell if another person has murrayitis.
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On October 31 2010 11:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 11:10 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 10:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So SiNiquity martyred himself I guess. I wish we would have hit a mafia with the lynch but at least 1 got modkilled, a good thing for us.
YoungMinii was my first choice and he survived the lynch. This is very important to note. That's weird, I could have sworn... On October 31 2010 09:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm a Nurse not a doctor anyway I don't care what people call me ;o
I submitted:
1.SiNiquity
2.youngminii
3.Divinek ? reposted from last page DrH, if you're still here, I want an explanation for this. I swapped the positions when SiNiquity decided to make a martyr of himself and claimed that he didnt care about the game because his role sucked
Wait wth. And why did you need a list of 3. I assume there's a swapping role or something mafia has.
Also DX??? I hope you didn't just claim bodyguard :/
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Coag, you already seem really scummy to me, I'm not sure if something happened today but seriously either you're scum, need to calm down, or going to get modkilled(possibly a combination of any of those). Alot of your posts have been putting down rather than contributing, and in addition at least let a man explain himself before immediately accusing him. You've been doing that alot :/
As for youngminii, yes he has to explain himself. Even if that means claiming his role(unless its uber duper important.) Cause right now, Coag is partly right. I don't see a role town would have that would do this. Of course, this is INSANE mafia, and with boogers and secret votes and even a do gooder that seems really bad for mafia, I'm going to remain neutral. I want an explanation though.
Anyone have any comments/additions/concerns on my plan for tonight btw?
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On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on
Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?
DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.
Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched?
We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived.
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On November 01 2010 03:42 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 01:44 Pandain wrote:On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on
Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?
DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.
Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched? We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived. No comment. Show nested quote +Nevermind, you are correct. I misstated: The bodyguard prevents the Mayor from being hit, either during day or during night, and can't die except by Murrayitis or getting lynched. Doesn't that mean the bodyguard can't get hit at night by scum anyway?
Is it that revealing this will reveal another aspect of your role that can be vital for town? If so, just say that. Because as of now you dodging just makes me incrediably wary of you. If you can't explain in thread, then I would suggest we somehow incorporate youngminii into a pming circle. I'm unsure how to do that however while still trying to get the doc(doc h that is) connected. Also, if the bodyguard can only be lynched it actually would be advisable for the bodyguard to claim so then we don't lynch him. Of course, that seems a bit OP for town so I would think there must be a lynch-related role of changing the lynch target...
Hmm..... if only there was such a role...
*wonder why I'm so suscipcious of you*
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