EPTWhy were you informed that BB would die so late last cycle, but now you are informed that DXC is going to die so early in this cycle?
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Why were you informed that BB would die so late last cycle, but now you are informed that DXC is going to die so early in this cycle? | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If he isn't suicide bomber he could simply be trying to set the bomber up. If mafia thinks we aren't going to send blues at the target Node set up then they just kill him confirming his "role". A win/win situation for mafia. Consider this as well: if he is mafia he would obviously know the alignment of every player (who is red and who is blue), keeping the targets he picks who will die that night blue in every case keeping up the illusion that he is predicting mafia hits this is a very easy role to fake for mafia. too easy really. since you've already claimed node why not just tell us the name of it? Adding on to this, it may even be a ploy to get medics (im just gonna call them that from now on) to protect DXC in which somehow the mafia members find out the doctors :/ I suggest that no one protect DXC and we find out tonight what causes his death. Theres got to be a cooralation between BB death and DXC death. | ||
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On November 01 2010 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: what makes you think that would let us find out what caused his death? that's just an excuse for letting a town player die for the sake of information we might not get First of all, you don't even know that DXC is town. We don't even know if we can actually protect DXC. Even worse, if mafia set it up so that there is a bomb placed there that night which kills everyone that visits him, that would be detrimental. Ok, maybe we won't be able to determine the cause of the deaths, esp since there are no clues (I forgot about that). But to me, it just seems to risky. We have no info. We suspect that Node could be faking his role. I'm even thinking that the +1 KP comes from a predetermined mafia kill at the start of the day, and that if Node is mafia, he would know about this. | ||
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On November 01 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Everything points to DXC being town in this case. No I don't know 100% that he is town. But if Node is telling the truth it seems the people dying are blues, not reds. If Node is a mafia lying about his role it doesn't make sense for them to single out red targets, it doesn't set up a possible play for the mafia in all likelihood (unless there is a mafia role that kills other mafia) What is risky? Not having DXC die? The risk that it may be a set up by the mafia (less likely now, discussed later in the post). And that it would be a waste (remember, his role says that DXC is going to die, which implies that there is no way to save him). Note that I wrote my post before I read Node's latest posts. So Node seems to be hinting that there is a list that the mods have that kills people one by one. Quickstriker was first, then BB, then DXC. This seems like a random list, as Quickstricker was inactive and not a target that mafia would want to kill, and BB was pretty inactive too and also not a target that mafia would want to kill. DXC is someone that mafia would want to kill as he softclaimed bodygaurd, but if we follow the pattern, it isn't the mafia that chooses this list. This also implies that Node is town, and isn't setting this up. | ||
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Earlier, you said you were going to poke the person you thought is most likely town. So why do you think that jcarls is town? | ||
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On November 01 2010 09:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: His softclaim of bodyguard has yet to be confirmed by him. If he has a reason to do it as a townie I'd like him to tell us. He certainly has explaining to do, as well as Aeres, considering Annul was a bodyguard. I feel that he is likely town. Considering the potential danger of his role if he is mafia it's best to keep an eye on his posts closely, but I don't have any strong suspicions about him and I think his response to my initial proposition of the possibility that he could be mafia was fairly strong. It could be an RNG'd list but I feel like it might be some sort of conditional kill. BrownBear's death said "he died for being good" that seems important to me and makes it seem unlikely that he was killed purely randomly. About the list- how can it be conditional? If everything Node says is true... then BB was "next in line". Unless its based on # of posts or when they post, then the mods wouldn't have been able to choose the next target on the list cause they can't predict the future actions. | ||
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On November 01 2010 09:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Did you receive any other night actions? Something stopped my poke from going through to jcarlsoniv. This is not unlikely. Mafia knew that DH was going to try to confirm himself tonight by night action. So if there is a roleblocker in the game, mafia would probably make the easy decision to block him. On the other hand, DH is still not confirmed... | ||
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On November 01 2010 09:27 Lexpar wrote: I think that because I'm alive. I am therefore I think? We can trust DocH. We should work with him. Any reason for this? DH, do you know the role of Lexpar? | ||
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Nice. Now we should make a list of who posted since night. Aeres NB Glasse DH infinitestory kitaman Node Pandain deconduo Meapak ghrur Lexpar cubEdln Ace Fishball jcarls Misder This list is long, and probably useless as the person can not post and PM Artanis/LSB but someone has something against jcarls. Is Elder a confirmed town, or could a mafia have that role? | ||
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On November 01 2010 09:35 Ace wrote: I think Lexpar might have something that can detect if the Mayor is scum? I don't think thats right, since how can he detect it if he is dead? And whats preventing mafia from killing Lexpar Night 2 which would trigger the catalyst of detection? | ||
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On November 01 2010 10:17 Coagulation wrote: As much as I think Coagulation is scummy, he does have a point... | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Info that doesn’t pertain to the actual game. On October 29 2010 11:21 Coagulation wrote: Hi guys. im torn between voting for Bumatlarge or Pandain for mayor! No info on why he thinks both are equal. And I think this was when there was only two major candidates anyways. On October 29 2010 12:44 Coagulation wrote: bumatlarge. as a campaigning candidate for mayor what is your political stance on bandwagoning are you pro Bandwagon or Anti bandwagon plz explain Question that I don’t think actually matters for a mayor. It’s not like the mayor can start a bandwagon. And he doesn’t explain why this is crucial to his decision. And he doesn’t even ask Pandain the question, his other candidate that he’s considering to vote. On October 29 2010 18:52 Coagulation wrote: maybe im missing something but if fishball is in a town circle like he claims he is and this town circle has no security from reds at the moment why would we want him elected mayor. doesnt his town circle just greatly increase the chances of scum influence on the town. like we vote for Bum or pandain there is a 1 in 39 chance of mafia influenced mayor we vote for fishball there is a 7 in 39 chance of mafia influenced mayor This post may have some substance, as he now has a stance against fishball. However, as kingjames pointed out right after this post, his math is wrong (as in hes assuming that everything is random). On October 29 2010 20:42 Coagulation wrote: ok i understand what your saying but there is still a higher chance of mafia gaining influence through fishball being elected as mayor isnt his "circle" about as relevant as the general town circle at this point? considering he has no idea what the alignment of his circle members are. also we have no idea if he even has a circle. is there even a way we can verify this before the vote?? It just seems to me like an unnecessary security breach for mayor. why risk voting up to 7 scum into power when we can play the odds and take a much safer route of voting 1. Continuing the same thing as the post above. Again, he tries to make a point. Flawed, as jcarls points out the post after, but its something at least. On October 29 2010 23:52 Coagulation wrote: re-read my post. I referred to your circle ONLY as "circle" I am well aware that you dont have a town circle that was the whole basis of my post. Defends himself. And he is correct that Fishball was overreacting. On October 30 2010 00:07 Coagulation wrote: How about instead of blowing up about imaginary references to your CIRCLE in my post you answer the question that you completely avoided. why would we want to risk a chance of 7 people possibly being scum manipulating town with mayor when we can go with the much safer odds of only 1 person possibly being scum. Same question as before. jcarls answered this as stated before. On October 30 2010 00:12 Coagulation wrote: i know i shouldnt base previous exploits from previous games on a fresh game but i honestly feel you have a snowballs chance in hell of being elected after Halloween mafia.. Starts basing things off of a previous mafia game. This was before the mod warning, but still… On October 30 2010 00:26 Coagulation wrote: We need someone who is good at mafia but terrible at manipulation. pandain is probably the best candidate under these parameters. he is an extremely organized and tactical scum hunter his analyses skills are good and he has a good level head about what needs to be done. i have also noticed that he is a terrible lier and his posting style makes his motives extremely transparent. this would make it much easier for us to spot a slip up if he is mafia. and greatly increases the chances that he would fail at getting away with scum moves if it turns out he is a red. Makes a stance on his choice of mayor. Yay. On October 30 2010 00:32 Coagulation wrote: I think it would be in towns best interest to avoid placing an extremely skilled manipulator such as annul in the mayor seat when he could potentially be a red. Consistent from what I’m assuming. I don’t know what happened in the previous mafia game, but I assume that annul did some crazy manipulation. Although annul is one of the newer players of mafia, he may be good at mafia in the eyes of Coagulation. On October 30 2010 00:34 Coagulation wrote: yeah i honestly feel like i dont trust ANYONE that wants to be mayor.. No reasoning behind this statement. Why not trust Pandain who you defended, or buma, who you also were considering? On October 30 2010 00:40 Coagulation wrote: doesn't the mayor choose day 1 lynch?? Question that was answered before. That’s ok once in a while. On October 30 2010 01:35 Coagulation wrote: wait whos jerkin off smurfs? An irrelevant post. On October 30 2010 01:55 Coagulation wrote: im not saying there are 6 mafia in your circle as opposed to any other number im just saying there are 6 ''chances'' that mafia are in your circle as opposed to there only being 1 chance of a mafia getting voted in as mayor if we elect someone outside your circle. there are alot of scenarios obviously that can play out but i just want everyone to understand that there is an added risk to you being mayor. as for whether your ability as mayor + your plan with your circle outweigh those risk's is up for debate. my problem is this. If we elect you as mayor.. you will have communications with people outside of this thread(pm) that will influence the game and could be extremely vital to scum hunting. I would rather have a mayor that has transparency.. any communications he makes will be public so we can keep an eye on him. More on the circle. Surprisingly, I think it’s good input, and consistent. On October 30 2010 02:44 Coagulation wrote: may, may not, in fact, almost certainly well you got the politician thing down perfectly. Unimportant post. On October 30 2010 06:15 Coagulation wrote: Doc you are all over the place with votes man I will think about voting for you because i think you are very experienced however I feel like if DocH Is a red we would never know. Inconsistency here. DH is the one of the better manipulators in mafia… This basically contradicts his post. Neither does he say why being experience outweighs being manipulative, esp. since he totally put down Fishball, an even more experienced player. On October 30 2010 07:08 Coagulation wrote: How do we know the person who is "verifying" your confirmation of your role isnt just a Scumbuddy of yours? Good question, assuming this is directed towards DH. On October 30 2010 07:10 Coagulation wrote: Maybe Godfather Will verify so no one can DT check him properly thats possible right? Again, good question. On October 30 2010 07:27 Coagulation wrote: DocH You basically said YOU WILL PROVE your town and then basically said "MAYBE DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS I WILL PROVE IT IM NOT SURE" I dont think pandain would be the greatest mayor However i would rather pandain then Annul and his manipulation if he is RED and i would rather pandain then fishbowl and his "EXTREMELY SHY?? circle" I would really really like for you to make me feel comfortable voting for you for mayor. but your doing a bad job so far. Makes a good point on DH’s campaign. Completely didn’t compare Pandain with buma though (don’t know if this was before buma said hes going to retract his candidacy) On October 30 2010 07:29 Coagulation wrote: FISHBOWL =FISHBALL Sorry. Wheres This guys circle at?? wouldnt they claim by now?? Poses a question, and not a bad one. On October 30 2010 08:07 Coagulation wrote: Because hes not trying really really super hard to be mayor i figure hes just a good honest townie offering to take the spot and do his best. you guys are gonna start tearing each other to shreds over the role makes me think you got something else going on. On October 30 2010 08:09 Coagulation wrote: actually to be honest i would rather we nominate ACE OR ANYONE that isnt TRYING to be mayor Kinda consistent to what hes saying before. Although I feel that Ace would be as manipulative as annul… On October 30 2010 09:42 Coagulation wrote: DocH Anyone that doesn't fucking vote for you must be scum? Are you fucking serious ? i voted for Pandain because it was a choice between Him And Fishball at the time (bum withdrew his candidacy before i voted or I would have voted him for my placeholder instead of pandain) I posted many reasons why i chose pandain over fishball MANY Logical reasons. i will repost them for you ****This was before you had decided to run for mayor Is that not a reasonable reason considering the two choices?? maybe not the greatest reason but I FEEL CONFIDENT we are not getting FUCKED BEHIND OUR BACKS. Is that not a reasonable reason?? YOU SAID THE SAME THING EARLIER. Now i am sticking with pandain because he is most likely not a red trying to gain control of town based on the fact that he is not campaigning relentlessly. Pandain is more then capable of using what tools he has at his disposal to help coordinate a good town strategy and i doubt he would run for mayor if he thought his role wasnt capable of contributing greatly as mayor.. and I FEEL HE is the most TRUSTWORTHY candidate so far BASED ON HIS ACTIONS IN THIS GAME. I Dont get the same feeling from you when your Threatening "FOS" On anyone that doesnt vote you.. IM NOT VOTING on WHOS PROMISING SOME BULLSHIT IF THEY GET MAYOR (town circle?? where??) IM VOTING ON WHO I TRUST THE MOST IN MY GUT IS THAT REASON ENOUGH? Gets a bit mad in this post. However, I don’t think this is a bad thing. He’s strong and on the offensive. On October 30 2010 10:43 Coagulation wrote: i think mayor can be dt checked. dont quote me tho Puts his input, but not sure about it. He could have just asked the question to the mod. But made an extra post saying basically nothing. On October 30 2010 11:28 Coagulation wrote: dr h and pandain it would be nice if you guys could talk about something relevent to the town and disregard this little pissing contest you guys have going on right now. Wants to clean up the thread. Kinda funny since he has made some irrelevant posts himself. On October 30 2010 11:40 Coagulation wrote: I dont know why anyone in their right fucking mind following this shit storm would want to join in. Irrelevant to the game. Post that isn’t needed. On October 30 2010 13:18 Coagulation wrote: why are you responding to it? just wondering.. obviously hes just fucking around. Inconsistent again. He himself responded to Glasse. On October 30 2010 14:20 Coagulation wrote: the plot thickens. however i cant help but notice that he revealed his role honestly ( as far as we know it was pretty much confirmed by the fact that we found a logical link to it in another game that fits perfectly?) then there is still the chance hes mafia sticky. but I cant see a scum willingly giving up this kind of info like that. I hate the way drH plays but his story is starting to come together. i still worry that he is too fucking good at this game to chance him possibly gaining such an advantage as a red. Good. Tells his stance on DH after DH told the town his role. A little inconsistent to what he said earlier though, about manipulation. On October 30 2010 14:30 Coagulation wrote: I think you are much better off not being mayor If a red slips into power as mayor and you are truly pro town as you say you are we are gonna need someone who can organize as a backup plan. I think you would be best suited as our ace up the sleeve in case mayor gets compromised. Sure, makes a good point. On October 30 2010 14:39 Coagulation wrote: Hosting a game has nothing to do with playing in this game. all bitching about something like that is gonna do is create drama that town doesnt need to deal with. Not useful post. On October 30 2010 14:43 Coagulation wrote: I told you why I voted for pandain. and frankly from last game you pretty much showed me you have no problem being mafia and cramming town talk down my fucking throat without thinking twice. so im still skeptical. He did say why he voted for Pandain, so, hes consistent here. On October 30 2010 14:58 Coagulation wrote: rofl Irrelevant. On October 31 2010 08:53 Coagulation wrote: LOL THE BOOGER THROWER Irrelevant. Irrelevant. On October 31 2010 14:10 Coagulation wrote: Dodging a lynch sounds alot like a scum role.. anyone else think so? Makes a point, and poses a question. Don’t think its bad. On October 31 2010 19:08 Coagulation wrote: OK i have caught up on reading 1. DOCH naturally I still cant trust you 100% until I can see some of your claims of verifying yourself come to light. I really hope your not a red otherwise we may as well just bend over and let you get to fucking. 2. you have a moron for a bodyguard 3. Node is asking for invites to the circle? i would think twice before letting people who request in. looks like 1 red was already in the circle. he dies and now Node starts asking to get in?(could be mafia trying to get a man back inside) looks bad but not gonna dwell on it too much yet.. 4. pandain I dunno what the hell you are talking about. Im not gonna keep my mouth shut if someone looks scummy just because they are not around to defend themselves. Makes good points. Well, except for 2 as DXC technically didn’t say he was bodyguard. On November 01 2010 06:02 Coagulation wrote: concerning bodyguards 1. there are 2 bodyguards and mods lied to us (mods lie to us then thats bullshit) 2. there is 1 bodyguard and one of them lied. i dont think that would necessarily be scummy considering it can take heat off the real bodyguard and confuse mafia and keep the real bodyguard safe. lets not do anymore roleclaims guys. we are handing so much info to the reds its not good at all. if you got a role that needs to be revealed think on it for a day or two first. Good point, and I agree. On November 01 2010 06:32 Coagulation wrote: dt needs to investigate pandain for sure considering he was running for mayor. also the other people who wanted elected mayor bumatlarge fishball annul ghrur glasse node also worth keeping an eye on node who is asking for people to invite him into circle. Talks about how need to check mayor candidates. Not bad. On November 01 2010 06:57 Coagulation wrote: well regardless we need to get to the bottom of the youngminii thing somehow i think thats the point hes trying to make. i still feel like there is a good possibility that his ability is either a red ability or he was saved by a red allie. i dont want this to just blow under the radar Sure, a valid point. On November 01 2010 07:12 Coagulation wrote: just the fact that you posted this comment nullifies itself Technically not useful, but kinda makes a point. On November 01 2010 07:15 Coagulation wrote: why on earth did we not make you mayor. Not helpful. On November 01 2010 07:32 Coagulation wrote: ya hes in a circle that is allowed to pm he however isnt give the role/alignment of the people with him. Answers a question. Yay for being pissed off and not putting analysis. Although this is consistent to how he was acting before DH was elected. On November 01 2010 10:17 Coagulation wrote: Imo, makes a good point. On November 01 2010 10:20 Coagulation wrote: im not saying doch is red im not saying that mafia wouldnt have anything to gain by discrediting him if he is a townie im saying he had a campaign of bullshit. Sure, agreed. On November 01 2010 10:23 Coagulation wrote: he claims he had thought about being roleblocked. yet he still claims 100% proof the whole time hes campaigning ITS CONVENIENT he happens to leave that out of his campaign Same as above. On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote: DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK. Same as above. Unhelpful. Conclusion: After going through his posts, he doesn’t really seem scummy to me anymore. Aside from multiple irrelevant, unhelpful, and sarcastic posts, he does bring up good points. I think there are times where he makes a statement, but doesn’t back it up, which he should do. Other than that, I feel that Coagulation is actually blue. I’m probably doing Pandain next, unless someone else wants to do it. + Show Spoiler + When I’m doing analysis like this, do I have to go through all of the posts, and put my thoughts on them? It’s really time consuming esp when its someone that posts a lot… | ||
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I wonder if mafia knew that annul was a bodygaurd. It seems so out of there. Why would mafia try to go for annul in the first place? It's not like he made any amazingly good posts that would screw up mafia. | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:01 Glasse wrote: so there was only 1 bodyguard... drh is vulnerable then Well, as bumalarge pointed out, Artanis didn't outright say there was only 1 bodygaurd. He said that town could only afford 1 bodygaurd. That doesn't mean that there isn't someone that isn't hired doing the job. | ||
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