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Amber[LighT]
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On November 02 2010 07:13 Coagulation wrote: i get warned daily. mods just temp ban me. they dont take my shit anymore  im trying not to post elsewhere until this games over so I don't miss 2 day/night cycles because of [European] mods who can't take jokes lollolol | ||
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Amber[LighT]
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On November 02 2010 08:56 Ace wrote: Like I said ages ago and just like Fishball illustrated - his role is not tied to his alignment. @Amber: It doesn't matter if it's a newbie mistake. Lying is SCUMMMY. I don't know why we always go with these "oh he was just trying to be a hero townie so he lied" moments. How many games do we need to play where Scum lie, town believes it was just a mistake and there's a red GG Scum Wins message on page 100? Lynch All Liars. Period. Once you start letting the first person go with lies then it's extremely hard to lynch the next set of liars since they have the same safe alibi. As an example, remember the greatest lie ever told in a Mafia game on TL.net is Caller's bullshit Insane Busdriver claim, 2 days after he led the town to believe he was another role. The town bought it hook, line and sinker because "oh Caller was just trying to help" and walla - 2 dead townes, Caller escapes THREE lynches and the town loses. Stop letting people lie. You can't even defend this anymore (and this goes for all of you trying to justify Aeres's play). @Jcarl: Who cares if he's the Village Idiot. If he is, ignore him. Scum hunt. Village Idiots usually don't end the game as it's just a "yay you managed to get lynched" role aka completely useless. That said I doubt he's a VI. Probably just playing "dumb" in order to save himself from being nightkilled. @Aeres: Your best bet is to hope for a DT or some kind of hidden Pardoner role to save you. Somehow I doubt that's going to happen though. @L: You can't prove Dr.H lied. Dr.H said he'd try to use his ability on Night 1, and it's inconclusive on if he was roleblocked, if Jcarl is telling the truth or if Dr.H is lying. With Aeres we know he's lying. Big difference. LAL doesn't apply to Dr.H because he wasn't caught lying. Also if Aeres is some kind of mad hatter role that just shows he was lying about being a Cruise Captain - which would mean he lied TWICE. Now we are encouraging townies to lie about everything just to draw a hit to save a Mayor who's alignment he doesn't know? Shit just sign me up for the next religious cult asap. Once again L is asking for the death of one player to "confirm" another. Remember what I said about him trying to get people killed for information? Right. Dr.H's death doesn't give you any bearing onto Aeres's alignment. Period. @deconduo: If townies have to lie sometimes with good reason give some examples because this time was definitely not good. Guys, we aren't going after Kenpachi or any non-active players today. We've got 2 big situations to solve right now. Let's actually scum hunt. @Dr.H - youngminii seems to be getting bandwagoned "because he should have died during the lynch". deconduo is saying youngminii, who hasn't been shown to lie at all or do anything scummy should be lynched over a guy who has lied, possibly twice AFTER 2 players pushed him onto the spotlight. I see what you're saying about setting the pace. I always believed we were under the impression that if there was no reason to lie, why do it? But I'm realizing that sometimes the biggest liars tend to be pro-town, and to deter this maybe using the LAL policy is best-fit for this day cycle. I agree though that gunning for an inactive is counter-productive for the towns survival. At this point we're lucky we didn't lose a person on day 1. How does L compile all of this information so quickly? He was just asking for the gems of this thread anyway. Freaking beast when it comes to lynchings. I'll switch to Aeres since at this point we are making the best move of the town... | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
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On November 02 2010 13:52 Veldril wrote: I try to post something but having fever and playing Mafia make my head hurts even more T T Regarding Dr.H and jcarlson, I think there are too many possibilities to simply conclude anything. I still 80% certain that Dr.H is a town player. However, he needs to prove his role quickly or he will lose the trust from me. On Aeres, I really have no comments at this point (can't have good thinking right now T T). But I would not vote for him simply because of LAL. But I admit that young, and Dr.H made a good analysis on him. I will put my vote on Divinek for the time being. He's a vet and I want him to say something too. I have yet to see his post about current situation. Also, last game he barely posted and turn out to be red in the end so I think we need to force him to be more active this game too. If we let Aeres get away with blatantly lying then this cascades into a greater issue later in the game where everyone will feel that lying is the "best way" to bait the mafia; however what will end up happening is the players will bait each other and mafia will never bite. They will know that liars can get away with anything, so they can let the town doom itself. By lynching using LAL as a precedent we're halting future thought of fake claims. Fake claiming is a mafia tell, yet players insist on doing this as a bait tactic. It won't work in the long run. And we can't just sit here and say "look everyone, don't lie like Aeres did." We won't know what Aeres was really lying about. Mafia will have extra leeway when it comes to a raise in suspicion as well. Picture it... In 3 days we will go through someones post that has a contradiction and then the accused can just say "oh I was lying to bait someone, like Aeres did." What do we do? Keep our policy of "oh he must be telling the truth, sorry newbie mistake." Learn from your mistakes or don't make them. Unless there's a better lynch suspect it seems that Aeres would be our best bet for obtaining information. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On November 02 2010 22:28 deconduo wrote: So you are saying we should lynch Aeres to set an example? On November 02 2010 22:35 youngminii wrote: That is what the policy of LAL revolves around, discouraging blatant lies. ^--- This in a nutshell. It's going to be a trainwreck when we have to sift through honest posts and take everything cautiously. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On November 02 2010 22:59 deconduo wrote: Sitting back and letting 3 letters be law for every single scenario just boggles my mind. Not looking at things in a case by case basis is utterly utterly utterly demented. But hey, people seem to be set in their ways and who am I to change that. Why would blatant lying (and twice I should add) ever benefit the town when it clearly did nothing but cause chaos? It's like getting a pass for fucking with the town. If we allow it then mafia has one more escape route. It's not so much about the fact that we need to punish somebody for lying, but that now if we don't lynch him we will never know his true intentions. We'll be wondering and wondering why he is not getting hit night after night. The mafia knows he's not a bodyguard, but they know enough that he's going to be an asset for them to keep around later. He will be their scapegoat when the time comes. If he's mafia then we're just one lucky freaking town. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On November 03 2010 03:13 Fishball wrote: I honestly think the mods could have easily overlooked this situation. Yesterday, I actually had to convince Artanis to make an announcement of an additional circle member, and explain the consequences if we don't. Also, the way I see it, his role is a heavy trade-off. You either play a dull role, or you get a fun one but the Mafia knows. This is assuming his role is legit. IMO townie is a lot more fun to be than a blue... | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On November 03 2010 03:34 L wrote: I've been mentioning this could be a mistake the entire time. It is not, however, a tradeoff at all unless there's another hidden piece of the puzzle. Like the doctor also being a mason, perhaps. The doctor could be bulletproof, making the knowledge a bit more trivial for mafia. Then a mafia team would need to somehow get the town to lynch the doctor. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On November 03 2010 20:42 CubEdIn wrote: Right, you seem to be doing a might good job. Please point us to the next innocent bystander that looks odd to you. you're barking up the wrong tree... would advise to back off and never do it again... | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On November 03 2010 22:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: Well this seems rather foreboding now doesn't it? Some battles are just not worth fighting. You won't get a lot of information by doing that anyway. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On November 03 2010 22:17 CubEdIn wrote: I never blamed you. I just said it was rude to claim that other people learn how to scumhunt, when your snowball hurt the town. I fail to see how I'm more to blame, since my vote didn't change anything, but your posts started it. Either way, it's not about blame, it's about hypocrisy, if you wish. You shouldn't act high-and-mighty after you don' gon' goofed. Also, I like how you're playing the "i'm only 1 vote" after you admitted causing the band-wagon, and saying that you would "gladly do it again". Very smart play, I must say. Excuse me for not being scared of you. You serious? Aeres' play was horrible and we needed to act. If you don't act on a scumtell play then we would have just sat and lynched another dead-end townie. There's no way you can say Ace is responsible for the lynch. That's not really fair since it's not like he was the very first person to complain about his play. Oh wow you didn't vote to lynch him. Throw a party because you're the first person to ever do that! It wasn't a "don' gon' goofed" moved. It was a strategic town move that eased significant confusion. Aeres made the mistake, not Ace. The role he had should not have been used that way, but it was a good try if there was more to hide off of... | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On November 03 2010 22:58 deconduo wrote: That was the whole point of Aeres claim. Maf can't kill him, therefore maf can't kill mayor. It was an awesome claim, and people are stupid. It was an awesome claim for 2 nights only, and if mafia actually wanted to target him. They didn't though and got the real bodyguard... | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On November 04 2010 21:12 CubEdIn wrote: Or what if you just don't say anything? Don't say anything and see what happens. Or keep it down to one word like "meow" or whatever. I gotta agree. As a pro-town "move" it would have been better to stay anonymous and continue to provide clues. Outting yourself like he did was not a great move. It reeks of scum-tell and he's consistently gunning for DrH. Before we decide on Coag vs. Pandain can we get the players who have role claimed already to post updates on their situations? I'm digging through the thread so if I find them myself I'll make a note of it... I will support a double lynch for tomorrow. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
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"well I guess YM is legit, but we'll see..." "Idk about YM..." "Aeres could have hurt others..." "I lost interest..." Players should get a ban for saying "I lost interest" when a game is clearly interesting to follow lol. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
Well the non-lynchie will be under my observation over the next day or so regardless, so I'm indifferent. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
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On November 05 2010 07:37 Beneather wrote: If DC is lying wouldn't that make him a scum and so we would have another person to lynch at ? It would be awkward and unlikely for a mafia player to pose as a MH, use another player as a target, and know that he (666) will be lynched/vigi'ed. It would be a loss for the mafia team to sacrifice a player so willingly. If 666 flips red then it doesn't mean that Coag is definitely red or not either. It could all be a hoax, though once again, (highly) unlikely. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
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Amber[LighT]
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On November 06 2010 06:47 LunarDestiny wrote: Amber, I see you are voting for Hyper right now, your vote can decide the lynching. That said, I still unsure if Pandain is the right choice. I know this. I'm going to make sure the right person dies tonight if I need to, don't worry. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
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On November 07 2010 00:57 Pandain wrote: Alright, so whats the plan? here's what I think: 1.Dt/alignment cop, if you can, is too check me. 2.Medics need to protect people in this order: 1.Dr. H 2. Infinite 3.Me(if you don't think I'm red  )4.NB 5.Other vets(Ace, Infunidiblum, L, etc...) Why would meds protect a vet? It's pretty obvious that the mafia team isn't targeting vet players. There's almost a backwards scheme to their killing. | ||
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