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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 14 2010 00:45 kitaman27 wrote: Errm why exactly have I been modkilled? I think you missed my vote in the voting thread. So you have. You're in and michaelthe is not. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On October 14 2010 00:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: So you have. You're in and michaelthe is not. Thanks ^_^ | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On October 13 2010 16:33 Coagulation wrote: list of people who have defended masq + vel NB I would like to defend myself here: this is more like a neutral statement stating the fact that the "clue" is not relating to masq. This happened AFTER DrH told be that clues do not point exactly into the role but into players profile and i did misunderstood that as a "protecting statement" toward masq JoL picture. Again, i will KEEP my point on lynching Veld if he stay alive after night 1. It will help us reduce number of KP from red from 6 to 5 asap and that is HUGE for townies early game. Also: we should stop discussing on this and back to "what the blue should do 2night"??? | ||
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glurio
Germany597 Posts
I hope his actions wont reflect on me. So far i do agree with NB. If Veldril lives through the night we should lynch him. But i still have to read stuff a bit more careful, will take me some time. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 14 2010 03:37 Glasse wrote: So the day post will be similar to the first one right? A story with clues and then a list of deads? Correct. All day posts will contain clues while no night post will ever contain clues. Clues do not discriminate against a players alignment, meaning if the Grim Reaper kills somebody a clue will be left pointing to them as well. Keep that in mind. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Righteous. I just got through a quickread of the last 60 pages, and quite a lot has happened, to be sure. First: DrH, your handling of the BM situation was excellent. Well done ^^ Second: Town, nicely done nailing a red day 1. That rarely happens, feel proud! Third: Let me also apologize for the BM situation. It's something that rarely happens, fortunately, but yeah, it did happen. I sincerely hope it didn't ruin the game for you guys, especially since this is the first game for so many of you. And finally, my thoughts so far: A LOT of people have noticed the Masq-Veldril connection. It's pretty damning, to be sure, but one thing I'm noticing about this game that separates it from the standard town vs scum games: Both mafia and vampires have a win condition that's pretty radically different from your standard game: Kill each other. Not outnumber town, just kill each other. Town's win condition, on the other hand, is pretty simple. Kill a bunch of mafia/vampires, and outnumber the survivors. Actually, question: The town's win condition is thus: Win Condition:At least 8 vampires and mafia are killed AND the town outnumbers the surviving members. Does that mean 8 vampires AND 8 mafia, or 8 combined vamp/mafia? Because depending on which it is, that's going to change mafia/vamp strategy radically, which is logically going to change our strategy radically as a result. If we only need 8 scum to be dead, we have a very simple task - scumhunt efficiently. We can actually win the game quite quickly, depending on how mafia and vamps do at killing each other. However, if this is true, mafia and vamps are actually going to try to LEAVE EACH OTHER ALIVE for a while, and try to kill a ton of town off before they start hunting each other in earnest. Reason being: 11 per side, right? So, lets say that the vamps are all like, hey, let's kill some mafia bitches. Let's say they're REALLY good at it, so they hit nothing but mafia all the time. What's going to happen? Well, they kill 3 night 1. 3 night 2. And 3 night 3, leaving 2 mafia alive (probably shitting themselves with fear). Except what happened? Oh no, town still has like 30 dudes left, and outnumbers them! Town wins! Whoops! Now, one thing you can never do in mafia: Assume your enemy is dumber than you. So therefore, since I realized this after being in the game for 45 minutes, I should assume mafia and vamps have realized this a LONG time ago. Therefore, they're going to be playing pretty standard for a while, trying to knock town numbers down. They'll go for the bluesnipes, and they'll try to get town to vote for itself - they'll sow confusion. Once town numbers get low, they'll start striking at each other. It should lead to an interesting game of cat-and-mouse. Town's going to be trying to pick scum off as quickly as possible before their numerical advantage evaporates. Both scum teams will be trying to target the other first - but not too early, lest they lose themselves the game. Essentially, our strategy in this situation is to rely on our blues to make logical choices with their abilities, and rely on our own analytical abilities to whittle down the scum numbers. So we play the game very standard - we just gotta be very good to stay ahead here. The day 1 lynch was awesome - now let's keep it up! Now, what if the win condition is the other one? The one where we have to kill 16 scum (8 from each team) instead of just 8? This becomes a bit more straightforward. Mafia and Vamps then have no fear, and can jump straight into killing the crap out of each other. Each side will basically be ignoring town in the interest of killing each other (although there will be a ton of collateral damage, to be sure). Here, our goal will be to keep the scum teams as equal in number as possible - we want them to whittle each other down, essentially to do our work for us. Our main danger in this situation lies in one team getting the upper hand over the other - if we end up in a situation with 8 mafia 2 vamps or something similar, town's in trouble. It ends up in a place where it might actually BENEFIT town to get the vamps to claim to them, then protect them and help them take the mafia down to the point where we can fulfill our win conditions. Just my musings on the setup so far. Now that the game is BM-free, it should continue with a lot less spam, which I like. I'm curious as to figure out exactly what our win conditions are, though. DrH? | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
This is gonna be fun :D | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On October 14 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It is 8 vampires AND 8 mafia that must die, not 8 combined vampires/mafia. holyshit, this is mind blown.... WOW, THIS GAME IS HARD T_T | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On October 14 2010 04:19 NB wrote: holyshit, this is mind blown.... WOW, THIS GAME IS HARD T_T 8 total wouldn't really make much sense considering in order for the scum to win, they have to kill of 10 or 11 of the opposing faction so that would cause the town win condition to be reached first (unless the scum outnumbered the town of course) | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On October 14 2010 05:00 kitaman27 wrote: 8 total wouldn't really make much sense considering in order for the scum to win, they have to kill of 10 or 11 of the opposing faction so that would cause the town win condition to be reached first (unless the scum outnumbered the town of course) no, with 6 KP each night for red, if you caculate it statisticly, im quite sure Red still has more chance to win if 8 is needed. The main problem is DTs and grims do not know who is who so information and killer got separated. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On October 14 2010 04:40 SouthRawrea wrote: You know what Brownbear? I love you. Your 1400th post was good. I actually just assumed it was 8 total and didn't even bother asking. Much love. Much <3  also sorry for stealing your thunder annul. Much <3 to you too | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
Lucktar: Voted Veldril, gave no reason why. Basically, claims he guessed. On October 13 2010 07:51 Lucktar wrote: Looks like most people are still leaning towards Masq/Veldril, I'm not convinced that it's really that important which one gets lynched tonight. I think either one has enough cause to be a reasonable guess, and guessing's pretty much all we have at this point. Pandain did bring up some interesting points about Heaven on Earth, though. Something to keep in mind. Seems to me like Bill Murray is being super-aggressive and just lashing out at whoever seems like an easy target. He is apparently a veteran Mafia player, so maybe another vet could comment on whether that's typical for him? I'm perfectly willing to buy that it's just his style of posting, but it's definitely the most striking thing I've noticed from him. His change in position on Veldril seems especially weird, basically going from 'lynch the fucker' to 'maybe he's not so bad after all' in very little time. Perhaps trying to force himself into a position of leadership simply by speaking forcefully? I'm not sure. Bill Murray: claims masq is "mostly" harmless. It's hard to find his exact reasons for voting him. Also at less than one hour before he changed his vote to za Veldril, from masq, on the basis of "a myseterious pm" which "proved" it. Yet he wouldn't share it. Jodogohoo: oh my gosh. This guy is huge on my scumdar. Not only has he been spamming without really ANY content whatsover, he gives no reasons for any of his votes. I'll go into more detail in my analysis, coming up today. But heck, right now heres some food for thought, despite saying he thinks veldril is just a scape goat, and always saying that veldril needs to be lynched, he changes his vote to masq at the last second. Suscipcious, much? Oddo: SERIOUSLY? Look at this: On October 11 2010 14:32 oddo123 wrote: BC's killer = Masq. His profile matches the story perfectly..unless it is a trap! On October 12 2010 13:16 oddo123 wrote: Masq is indeed very suspicious. My vote goes to him as of now. Will think of it further... AND THEN COMPLETE CONTRADICTOIN: On October 13 2010 21:22 oddo123 wrote: I feel it would be beneficial for town to lynch Veldril as it would mean town gets rid of one more v/m (very likely). Anyway by the time Day 3 reaches, we would have much more information and reactions to work on. I got a feeling that Night 1 will reveal a lot  , giving cause for more suspects.Yet his actions do not match his words. On October 12 2010 22:19 oddo123 wrote: Vote Veldril LexPar: Yum yum very vauge On October 13 2010 01:53 Lexpar wrote: Your closing phrase is a little harsh youngminii. I was ready to call you out as being overzealous until I went over the thread history again. Veldril is very inconsistent and tries too hard to play it innocent. I'm with you young. Grandmoose: On October 12 2010 22:18 grandmoose wrote: Yeah I'm a bit late sorry it's my first mafia. I tried to read as much as I could from day1 to here. I think we should lynch Veldril he seems to be all over the place trying to make himself looks innocent and even has a clue against him. I might change my vote and feel free to persuade me. This post is very suscipcious to me. Not only does he not make a decision, leaving himself open to "oh alright, I'll do whatever you say, I'm townie, yup, of course", but his reasoning is horrible as well. "he tries to make himself look innocent and has a clue against him". Everyone tries to look innocent, and masq had a far better clue. Kenpachi: Made no posts, only voted. Gave no reasons why, didn't post anything besides this. extremely suscipcious. On October 12 2010 03:58 Kenpachi wrote: voted Veldril annul: "They're both scum, so we should just let mafia/vampires kill masq during the night" -.- Also interesting: During one point there were a spree of 5 votes for Veldril, all in two hours. These suscipcious people include: kenpachi, jodohogo, annul, yummy bla bla, and lucktar. Also: look at this post On October 12 2010 09:50 YummyBlaBla wrote: Now that I think about it, I don't think Masq/Veldril can be mafia/townie. They either have to be Mafia/Mafia, Townie/Townie, or Townie/Mafia. Mafia/Mafia Masq has no other choice but to vote Veldril to survive, or to look like he's a townie and going with the bandwagon. Both Townies Again, Masq trying to stay in the game. Townie/Mafia Refer to above If they are Mafia/Townie, at least the MH bomb will kill off Masq. Look at last sentence. Whaaaaaat? Please explain this to me. What blues should do Mad scientist: Check the jogging at midnight clue, ask if it being midnight or w/e is a clue. Will implicate heaven on earth. DT's: Check someone on the above, these people need to be checked. Medics: Please protect me, or at the very least other vets. Remember, JoL will most likely not die tonight. Grim reaper: Please don't kill someone. | ||
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