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Your argument consists of the following:
"People already think I'm mafia so no matter what I say/argue, people will think I'm saying that because I'm mafia".
We are not idiots, there are people here that have been playing mafia for years. If you actually posted something of value as your defense, we may be swayed in our decision to lynch you. Instead, you act like you've already given up and that you have no defense.
I'm sure everyone has a friend that never apologizes and instead says "well what do you want me to do, I can't do anything about it" instead of a simple "sorry". This is what you are doing and as such, I want everyone to vote for and lynch you. If you aren't scum then at least we've made an example of you as WHAT NOT TO DO.
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On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED
I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction.
What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat.
I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour.
Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it.
Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post)
I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell.
And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril.
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On October 13 2010 08:37 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED
I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat. I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour. Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it. Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post) I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell. And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril. I'm one of the people who stood by my vote for Masq since the beginning, and I noticed something, which may be a coincidence. Everytime we zoned in on Masq, something happened to made ppl lose focus. First it was Veldril, then azo, and so on. All the while Masq is saying NOTHING, but voting. And it's easy to go and defend Masq when there's way you'll be lynched before the end of day.
And I'm one of the people who stood by Masq from the beginning, maybe not as strong as you wanted him lynched but I never had my vote on him. When the Masq bandwagon started I didn't want to jump on because it happened out of nowhere and Masq didn't even make that many posts. Then the Veldril bandwagon started and I put my vote on him as a placeholder kind of thing.
Then Veldril makes a series of posts that are very, very questionable. Now I'm strongly against Veldril and I'm supporting Masq on the basis of his posting behaviour, not some silly clues that are unreliable at best. And no, it isn't easy to defend Masq even though I won't be lynched today. What's going to happen if he IS scum? I'll be put under suspicion or targeted by the other scum team since I'll be seen as 'Masq's ally'. Am I willing to get lynched for him? No, but I'm willing to bet that I'm right on this.
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by the last sentence i meant that i'm sure veldril's a better lynch candidate than masq
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On October 13 2010 08:40 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 13 2010 08:22 orgolove wrote:Right now I'm checking everyone's current and past voting trend for this day and updating. It's still in progress, but if you want to see: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=htmlI added an additional column that shows each person's vote changes, if any. NOTICEA question about the MetalFace guy: check out his profile and post history. His account was made on September 27th. He has 3 total posts. His first post was in the mafia forum request thread. His only post in this thread was a cover post, asking how the voting is done. His last post is a vote against Veldril. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=MetalFaceIt's highly unlikely this guy is actually someone new who just found teamliquid. Who the hell joins teamliquid and makes his first post to be in the mafia game? Who the hell actually knows how to put pictures and edit their signature etc, but only have three posts? This guy is 100% a smurf of another player here. So lame - DrH, shouldn't you be checking this kind of shit before the game starts?
There are a few smurfs in this game that I am aware of. It's not something I have a problem with. Oh really. Then next time I should register my smurf as well so that I have double the information power? What the !@#$? How the hell are smurfs allowed? It gives such an outrageous advantage. If you truly allow this, I give up. Fuck it.
Shut the fuck up and get over yourself. They're avoiding people like you that rely on the metagame which some consider a game ruiner.
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It was worth it, I don't like cocky/smartass newbies that think they have the right to direct/dictate the game that someone else is taking the time to host.
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Why Veldril must die.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2010 00:56 youngminii wrote:
Your argument consists of the following:
"People already think I'm mafia so no matter what I say/argue, people will think I'm saying that because I'm mafia".
We are not idiots, there are people here that have been playing mafia for years. If you actually posted something of value as your defense, we may be swayed in our decision to lynch you. Instead, you act like you've already given up and that you have no defense.
I'm sure everyone has a friend that never apologizes and instead says "well what do you want me to do, I can't do anything about it" instead of a simple "sorry". This is what you are doing and as such, I want everyone to vote for and lynch you. If you aren't scum then at least we've made an example of you as WHAT NOT TO DO.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED
I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat. I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour. Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it. Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post) I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell. And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril.
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IIOA
why do you think killing masq gives us info on veldril but killing veldril doesn't give us info on masq?
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If anyone ever PMs you a counter argument to one of your arguments in the thread, ignore it, tell the person to post it in the thread and if they don't do it, quote it in the thread yourself.
Do not ever let someone take a public discussion/argument and turn it into a private one.
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That said, Pandain PM'd me (this is suspicious in itself) his argument to my previous post.
i dont like posting with just one response so here
Defending someone is much more revealing than the person whos getting defended.
Aka, mafia could defend me, but I could be town and they're just trying to get pro town points. Or they could be accusing me for their own game. They could do either.
However, a person who is GETTING defended is more revealing. If they are mafia, we know mafia wouldn't just continue the brigade on that(most likely, especially if they are a top contender)
If they are town, then people who accused them should be looked at with suscipion and people who defended them(thus helping stop bandwagon) are good.
Ci? Yum yum
A person getting defended that doesn't defend the original defender (lolwut) doesn't give out any more information if lynched than the defender getting lynched.
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You didn't ask me anything/speak to me personally. You replied to my *public* argument and argued your case *privately*. There's a reason some games don't allow PMs. Everyone's arguments should be plain and open in the public eye so that they can be analysed and dissected. If you have something to ask someone or don't want the rest of town/scum to see what you are writing to someone, then PM all you want. But there's no reason for you to hide your arguments except that you don't want people to analyse them later on in the game.
Obvious scumlike behaviour, not pointing fingers yet.
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On October 13 2010 09:53 Kpyolysis32 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 09:47 youngminii wrote:
You didn't ask me anything/speak to me personally. You replied to my *public* argument and argued your case *privately*. There's a reason some games don't allow PMs. Everyone's arguments should be plain and open in the public eye so that they can be analysed and dissected. If you have something to ask someone or don't want the rest of town/scum to see what you are writing to someone, then PM all you want. But there's no reason for you to hide your arguments except that you don't want people to analyse them later on in the game.
Obvious scumlike behaviour, not pointing fingers yet. Posted without including this. If you really want what he said to be posted so bad, why not just post the PMs? I guess it's less reliable, because they could be forged, but I think that imitating Pandain's writing style would be kind of hard.
I did.
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lol being wrong sucks
good job on the lynch though..
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On October 13 2010 13:26 Node wrote:
Ah, finally got forum permission. Someone give me a quick rundown on what's going on at this point?
Bill Murray is a grizzly old bear.
Pandain is a cute baby panda.
1 + 1 = 2.
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On October 13 2010 13:28 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 13:26 Node wrote:
Ah, finally got forum permission. Someone give me a quick rundown on what's going on at this point? Bill Murray is a grizzly old bear. Pandain is a cute baby panda. 1 + 1 = 2.
Along came a lion, protecting the panda and ravaging through the bear.
Lion = DoctorHelvetica btw
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On October 13 2010 14:00 Bill Murray wrote:
roleclaim to me in pm please
i just died in mafia XXXI, and I asked for roleclaims there. I was a townie.
I am a jack o lantern, and I really need ghost protection, but I don't want ALL OF YOU protecting me, so I need everyone who is a blue to pm me their role
I need to live for a few day so I can place my bombs and be able to take out others later on after I am dead. If I have protection now later on I can sacrifice myself for a win. SO think of it as if I die now I can't get my bombs out. Ghost if I win, you win. Even if I am dead sacrificing myself for a win would be a honorable win for me and the town. Think about it, please. PM if you are willing to protect me and go for a win.- Bill Murray
lol
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On October 13 2010 13:59 orgolove wrote:youngminii+ Show Spoiler +He at first tried to appear as noob: On October 11 2010 10:07 youngminii wrote:
what is mafia? On October 11 2010 13:04 youngminii wrote:
whats a haunted zombie but then actively participated. He has a lot of posts that accuse many different people, and apparently doesn't care about who actually dies: On October 11 2010 15:04 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:04 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 14:50 Lucktar wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 oddo123 wrote:
Veldril's public profile:
My body is made out of swords.
I have a blood of Fire and a heart of Glass.
I have fought through countless battles.
Never once retreating.
Never once being victorious.
The bearer lies here alone, forging iron on the hill of swords.
But my life needs no meaning.
My whole life was made out of unlimited swords. Regarding Incognito's death: As he turned the corner around a bookshelf a dagger pierced his heart. As he died he could feel cold steel pierce his body from every direction, ending his life cruelly. Body made of swords is the only thing I've found so far that seems to relate to this bit. This is a quote from archer from FSN. Archer had the power to make a reality marble which twists the surrounding to recreate his mind. In that reality marble, he can make any sword and as much swords as he desire hence it being called Unlimited Blade Works. It can be interpreted that "he could feel cold steel peirce his body from every direction" as having thousands of swords pierce his body. sounds like a good plan lets do it /night On October 11 2010 15:39 youngminii wrote:
don't forget to vote for aztrorisk because he is a loose cannon and has a picture of someone (presumably him in animated form) sleeping and being watched by a watcher. the watcher obv. suspects him of being scum so he's our best lead.
Is this serious? Okay I guess I should defend myself.
First two posts that you quoted are both from BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTED. The next two posts are clearly jokes, how can you not see that? Seriously, did you even read these posts before you quoted them?
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On October 29 2010 10:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 10:51 aztrorisk wrote:[19:11:22] <DoctorHelvetica> he roleclaimed because he's an idiot Thanx alot Dr. H. I love hearing what you have to say about me. [Edit: Opps wrong person, you were impersonated.] lol i was ryry/chloechloe/ryannewman whatever youngminii is the jerk not me 
Lol you think that's bad, read all the crap between me and quickstriker
Anyway, very well played Annul. I would have loved to be alive past the first night  (screw you LSB) but great job on pulling us to victory. I'm going to have to fully read over this thread when I have the time 
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