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On September 04 2010 11:55 SiNiquity wrote:
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Disagree. Primarily with 1b's conclusion - if BrownBear's town, that says nothing about the existence of a Roleblocker or lack thereof. The roleblocker could be you. Steering the town doesn't clear you, and leaving out critical possibilities such as that out makes you even more suspicious. Your recent history of sporadic lying doesn't help either.
IF brownbear is town, we should lynch me(as I could be rightly roleblocker.) Forgive me, I said we should do it in the paragraph but then forgot to put it in the plan. Thank you.
But then after doing that, we should lynch Rastaban. Because me and Brownbear are the only ones who could be mafia.
On September 04 2010 11:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 10:53 Pandain wrote:
cool beans cool beans. Fishball(if he checked me) can confirm me. Unless he was roleblocked -.-.
in either case, now we take care of Brownbear. He's the most likely person to be roleblocker. And if he's not, then we let rastaban mod kill himself because there might be no roleblocker.
Anyway, I'm going to wait for some night results and any new thoughts/ideas, but as of now people should remember that our target for this day will be Brownbear.
And one more thing. Rastaban cannot strategically modkill himself. It's against the rules. -______________-
Oh yeah, frick. Hmm... we may have to waste a lynch on him then.
On September 04 2010 11:32 citi.zen wrote:So DTA was the 2nd mason. Odd there is no other role for him - a mafia picking that far down could safely go GF I would think. Divinek killed the other mason day 1. The mafia would probably try to use BM in more creative ways? I don't know, but it slightly moves Divinek towards the back of the list in my mind. Show nested quote +Unconfirmed:
Pandain(unless fishball succesfully checked me), Divinek, Brownbear(will be lynched today), Rastaban, Fishball. An unconfirmed person cannot "confirm" you at this time.
True beans, true beans. In fact, perhaps we should have the CV kill Fishball IF fishball was able to succesfully check me. Then he could confirm me, and we'd have both one less unconfirmed and one more confirmed.
So the plan:
We lynch Brownbear
a.If mafia
i.If roleblocker, then we have CV kill Divinek, fishball check me, and then lynch Fishball in the mroning. Medics can protect confirmed throughout that.
ii.If not, then we have the CV kill me, and in the morning lynch rastaban once you find out im innocent. If in the chance that the CV is roleblocked, then you can lynch me right away. Because everyone else must be another role, and I must be mafia(because Fishball and Divinek and Rastaban are all confirmed roles, none of which are roleblockers.)
Okay, I'm working on the part where if he is town(which I think unlikely anyway.)
But I need to know some stuff:
1. Is there a town roleblocker
2. Citizen, did you track brownbear. Was it succesful?
3.Ace, if BM masoned up with Darth, will darth show up as mason.
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In fact, Citizen this is incrediably important if you did track Brownbear. Cause then we will know that Fishball succesfully checked me and we can CV him to get both one less unconfirmed and confirm me. And if Fishball was still roleblocked than we can CV me (because no one else could've roleblocked him).
So citizen:
1.Did you track Brownbear? If so, what did you find?
2. Were you roleblocked?(would assume no but just making sure)
3. If you didn't track brownbear, who did you and what did you find?
If you have succesfully tracked Brownbear, than I'm pretty sure we've won the game.]
In addition, Sinquity, Opz, I'd like you to both confirm that none of you are roleblocker.
Also, I'd like to start throwing the option out there that maybe Opz should claim(as if he is methman than we don't have to protect him.)
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Hmmm some stuff I realized:
1. There MUST be a roleblocker since Rastaban is modkilled if he doesn't shoot. Unless mafia decided not to shoot and let the CV do it, which would be stupid(as they could've shot and still gotten away with it.)
2. Subversion...how did he die. Must've been the CV. Did we plan it? If not, that definitely helps clear him up.
I'm looking at all this and starting to get a definite pro-town feel from Rastaban.
On September 04 2010 15:18 Divinek wrote:
So I'm stuck trying to think objectively, and since i'm invovled that's naturally hard to do. Out of the list of uncofirmed's we have uh
Unconfirmed:
Pandain(unless fishball succesfully checked me), Divinek, Brownbear(will be lynched today), Rastaban, Fishball.
as pandain said.
so should i be the last one to die since you know i dont have a role that could be hurting town? (since we dont even know wtf pandain is) Or should my death be more pertinent because of my suspicious behaviour? Even though you know my only harm could be being a vanilla mafia at this point. Though would it be better to kill me because you know then you're not killing a potential blue role? But are blues even needed at this point, when we dont know if those are just mafia with roles?
help me out objective confirmed townies
Of course this is me wanting to live, but i'm also trying to look at it in a best way to help town.
Well no role anymore (after roleblocker) can really be "hurting" town. Lynching Brownbear will happen no matter what. We need the additional info from last night in order to plan out the rest of the game though.
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On September 05 2010 00:58 BrownBear wrote:
Can we let citi.zen speak and say if he tracked me before bandwagoning me to death, please?
I'm sorry super secret friend, but even if you weren't tracked to anybody it wouldn't mean anything. You easily could have just not roleblocked.
Face it, your like the only one who could be roleblocker without there being a bigger conspiracy(aka Rastaban lying, Fishball being roleblocker the whole time wtf)
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On September 05 2010 01:07 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 12:04 Ace wrote:
DTA was Copy Cat. I'll edit the post to clear up confusion. Excellent. Then this gives us a little bit of additional information: If Rastaban is town, then Divinek is townor equivalently, If Divinek is Mafia, then Rastaban is MafiaThe reasoning behind this is thus: If Divinek were Mafia and Rasta town, then Divinek would've day vig'ed Rasta on day 1. Passing CV on to Darth (Mafia) would've been completely worth it. Also, more discussion here before lynching, thanks. + Show Spoiler [To CV or not to CV?] +On September 04 2010 11:44 SiNiquity wrote:DTA was copycat huh (pretty sure there was only 1 mason this game, but with BM dying first CC would get his role)? Hmm down to 9 with 2 Mafia left... at this point, is it advantageous to keep the CV? Suppose, worst case scenario, we persistently hit town (I don't foresee this given the large number of confirmed players, but again worst case here): With CV- Lynch,
- Mafia Kill, CV, Tracker, Bullet Bill
- 6 - 2
- Lynch,
- Mafia Kill, CV, Tracker, Bullet Bill
- 3 - 2
Without CV- Lynch CV
- Mafia Kill, Tracker, Bullet Bill
- 7 - 2
- Lynch,
- Mafia Kill, Tracker, Bullet Bill
- 5 - 2
- Lynch,
- Mafia Kill, Tracker, Bullet Bill
- 3 - 2
The tradeoff here is Mafia is guaranteed one more hit which will of course hit town (whereas CV has a chance to hit Mafia). However, it also gives one additional use of the Bullet Bill and Tracker, while also removing a potentially dangerous role should the CV turn out to be Mafia. This is of course presuming Fishball is town (tracker seems to be pretty handicapped with the roles taking priority). The fact that JeeJee was killed, confirming Fishball's claim that he was not Mafia, sadly does nothing to confirm Fish himself. Although I'm admittedly surprised Mafia would go after JeeJee rather than someone on Chaoser's list. Hmm... Also who did Fish confirm last night? ## Vote Rastaban (unless someone can show me how the above plan is bad).
*sigh*
Stick with the plan, guys.
There are a number of flaws in your argument. For example, you say that if Divinek was mafia than he would have certainly used his day vig on Rastaban. But doing that would be certain death for divinek, so I highly doubt even a 1-1 trade would be good. Add to that the fact that the mafia has roleblocker and you can tell they wouldn't even need to worry that much about him.
In addition, you yourself say that they can both be town. What are you doing then? You're getting rid of a sure fire lynch we have right now(Brownbear) for a maybe, just maybe lynch.
Furthormore, add what I have said above about Rastaban to the fact that Rastaban started the whole suscipsion of Divinek(which Mafia would NEVER do at this late in the game.)
Change back to Brownbear Sinq. But just to clarify, you are not town roleblocker correct? Just have to make sure.
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In addition, we have a new confuzzlement.
The Killing of Subversion.
How did he die?
CV couldn't have done it(wasn't able to yet.)
Mafia wouldn't have done it.
Day vig was already taken care of.
So that leaves two options: Joat or weak doctor. I'm thinking perhaps either of these should claim, especially the doctor. We need him to keep on "protecting" scum.
Or is there something I am missing....
Please discuss before claiming, don't want to give mafia unnecessary info if they don't need it.
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On September 05 2010 01:14 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 01:06 Pandain wrote:On September 05 2010 00:58 BrownBear wrote:
Can we let citi.zen speak and say if he tracked me before bandwagoning me to death, please? I'm sorry super secret friend, but even if you weren't tracked to anybody it wouldn't mean anything. You easily could have just not roleblocked. Face it, your like the only one who could be roleblocker without there being a bigger conspiracy(aka Rastaban lying, Fishball being roleblocker the whole time wtf) Or you could be the roleblocker... I dunno, either way, I guess I'm dead. W/e. Vote: BrownBearWhen I'm dead, do me a favor and catch the real mafia.
Arghhhhhhhhhhh fadoodle you. Logic says your mafia but my heart says your pure.(awww)
##Unvote BrownBear
Only until we get the info we need and can formulate a plan in which your town.
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Alright then. Let's wait for some more info such as from Fishball and Citizen but as of now I'm actively considering lynching Rastaban.
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On September 05 2010 02:26 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 01:22 Pandain wrote:
In addition, we have a new confuzzlement.
The Killing of Subversion.
How did he die?
CV couldn't have done it(wasn't able to yet.)
Mafia wouldn't have done it.
Day vig was already taken care of.
So that leaves two options: Joat or weak doctor. I'm thinking perhaps either of these should claim, especially the doctor. We need him to keep on "protecting" scum.
Or is there something I am missing....
Please discuss before claiming, don't want to give mafia unnecessary info if they don't need it. Yes, you're missing the fact that Zeks admitted to it (Serial Killer).
*facepalm*
Epic...fail
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On September 05 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
##Vote Pandain
Him or Fishball. Fishball has been beyond useful.
Stop belaying suspicion on SiNiquity, wasn't he on the ELF list, along with me and citizen? Why are you ignoring that Pandain?
Why should I need to claim at any rate. I was, not only checked by Fishball, but I was also cleared by Bad Santa.
And Fishballs checking ELFs....Why did Fishball check Sin? Wasn't the bad santa list out by this point? That seems suspect. And where is Fishball AND citizen.
Anyone who has a vote on anyone right now is EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS.
We need to think about this shit. Not jump into shit. You people are going to get a townie lynched by bandwagoning, and if we lose a in-the-bag game because you guys decide to vote before hearing everyone? PM prod a hoe. Fuck.
1. I never ever put suscipsion on Sinquity, you should realize that I had to th ink long and hard about changing my plan because I knew he was confirmed.
And I am martyr. Anyone who doesn't realize that all was a joke is a silly panda. And voting for me as of now is just stupid. Let's vote off from lists of two and finding information(aka, such as lynching brownbear will find info and lynching rasta will find info) instead of starting a bandwagon on me.
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On September 05 2010 06:45 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Pandain. You are working under this assumption you are some how confirmed?
=/
And lynching fishball at any situation right now, stupid as hell. Lynch for information, nah. We don't need to lynch him to confirm his checks? Why? Most of his checks are confirmed via Chaoser.
I'm with Rastaban on Divinek, but I think Rastaban should CV him.
Mmm... my plans never base around that I'm confirmed. I constantly say that I'm unconfirmed.
And in fact, I think lynching Fishball could be a very useful thing to do. Think about it: If he checked me and he checks another person tonight, than we can have both two more confirmed people and one less confirmed(after we lynch Fishball.) I think that's a very good trade imo.
As for my night actions... lets see.
Night one: Rastaban
Night two: JeeJee
Night three: Citizen.
Also Divinek I get the weird impression you don't like me :p
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Alright, since Fishball was roleblocked I'm going to go back with voting Brownbear. I mean, if there is no roleblocker than you caught at least two of them (rastaban and Fishball.) So here
If Brownbear is town:
CV shoots me, fishball checks someone unconfirmed (but doesn't have gun)
Fish ball reveals results, and we also lynch Fishball.
Than we lynch Rastaban, as Fishball will show up red.
Any opinons? If not, I'm voting for Brownbear in 4 hours.
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On September 05 2010 23:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 22:03 Pandain wrote:
Alright, since Fishball was roleblocked I'm going to go back with voting Brownbear. I mean, if there is no roleblocker than you caught at least two of them (rastaban and Fishball.) So here
If Brownbear is town:
CV shoots me, fishball checks someone unconfirmed (but doesn't have gun)
Fish ball reveals results, and we also lynch Fishball.
Than we lynch Rastaban, as Fishball will show up red.
Any opinons? If not, I'm voting for Brownbear in 4 hours. ...So...we kill you...if brown bear is town.....then we kill fishball...to prove his results....when...almost all of his results have been on Chaosers ELF list....or died....like the only one that wasn't....JeeJee... @______________@ What part of that do you not get. EVERYONE, with the exception of JeeJee, that Fishball has checked, has already been proven innocent by CHAOSER. Killing fishball to prove he's right is STUPID, because everyone he checked is ALREADY PROVEN innocent by Chaoser and Death. Then you ASK to be killed, and CLAIM to be town? WTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTF citizen, I want your lynch opinions. Everyones being quiet and afraid to post, and Pandain is just giving me a head ache. Like...I like the guy, but omg. Wtf...Have you even read my last post beyond the vote for you? I've done explained...
I meant for Fishball to check someone besides me, who is unconfirmed, and then we lynch him in the day and find one more confirmed/one less unconfirmed. But as I see now it would be pointless as I'm the only unconfirmed role who is (at least claiming) a non gun role. Therefore, Fishball will be useless from now on.
I'm asking to be killed IF Brownbear is not roleblocker. Because then we either I willl have to be roleblocker or Fishball and Rastaban are both Mafia(and lied.)
So actually perhaps Rastaban killing me tonight and then we lynch Rasta in the morning? Of course if Rasta is mafia and there is no roleblocker than most likely he will claim to have been roleblocked. So perhaps even citizen can track me and see there was no roleblocker.... So maybe:
1.Lynch Brownbear, and if he's town than have CV kill Divinek, and have tracker track me(thus no roleblocking), and then we lynch Rastaban in the morning. Than you guys can lynch me and Fishball. I'd prefer to stay alive as long as I can, its true, since I am martyr. But on the basis of objectiveness I'm trying to find a plan that will ensure town victory even in the case in which I am mafia.
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On September 05 2010 23:38 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 22:16 citi.zen wrote:
To keep track of it all:
#1 rastaban--- Comp Vig (role confirmed by Hesmyrr), claims he got RB-ed night 2
#2 Chaoser --- Bad Santa, list of Elfs: Radfield, Sinliquidy, Citi.zen, Opz, Bumatlarge
#3 LSB --- traitor, claims to have gotten visited night 2
#4 Hesmyrr --- Picked CV, got Vanilla
#5 Zeks --- Role Cop, SK
#6 Southrawrea --- Picked Traitor but got vanilla
#7 Subversion --- probably Picked Role Cop but did not get it
#8 Fishball --- Claimed Bullet Bill, checked Opz night one and Sinliquidy night 2
#9 Opz --- Claimed Meth Man after claiming Tracker, ELF, no gun according to Fishball Then he claimed medic?
#10 Citizen --- Tracker, ELF, JeeJee to DTA night one, saw Chaoser stand still night 2
#11 BrownBear
#12 JeeJee - Can travel, visited DTA night 1, DTA said he did not get role blocked
#13 DarthThienAn - Claimed JeeJee is not RB
#14 siNiquity --- ELF, no gun according to Fishball
#15 Divinek --- Day Vig, killed BM day 1
#16 Radfield --- DEAD VANILLA ELF
#17 Bill Murray --- Mason
#18 Bumatlarge --- Watcher, ELF, saw 4 people visit Zeks night 1and one visit LSB night 2
#19 Pandain --- Claimed Pardoner, then Martyr, then pardoner again, then said it was all a joke
Rastaban, OpZ, Citizen, Bumatlarge, SiNiquity. Pandain, BrownBear, Fishball, Divinek. Wait...we outnumber...awesome. Nevermind. Games pretty in the bag even if we fuck up. 5 confirmed townies on top, 2 hidden townies on bot. I'm down with lynching BrownBear, killing divinek tonight. Only possible choices for mafia are pandain, brownbear, fishball, and divinek. And if Pandain is actually martyr...well, protect citizen Pandain, and you will be proven town. =D Just assuming Rasta is town because he did POP DTA, and Roleblocking fishball....well...FoS Pandain. Coulda RB'd the person POPPING your mafia brother, but instead RB Fishball? =/ Anyway...I still wanna hear citizen...And Fishball out of town? -_____-
Also, we don't outnumber them sadly. Its 5 unconfirmed to 4 confirmed, your counting rastaban as confirmed.
Argh... if only Citizen had tracked Brownbear we would've had this game in the bag(as we could've told whether he's roleblocker or not.)
WHY CITIZEN WHY!!!
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Alright I've been thinking. In the case that Brownbear isn't mafia(even though I think he is) Rastaban will be mafia. I suppose having the CV be mafia will just be too dangerous(as mafia will be able to take out two unconfirmed if I fail at martyring).
Alternatively, Brownbear could be mafia and I am roleblocker, but I think the fact that if Citizen had done what I told him to we would've won at least adds some pro town points for me.
##Vote Rastaban.
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EBWOP: Alternatively, Brownbear could be town and I am roleblocker*
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Fun Fact: The 4 mafia thing probably is a slip up then by Darth. I would assume there are 4 mafia (or two left.)
My guesses:
Either Brownbear and Rastaban/Divinek
Fishball/Rastaban
Also, Fishball was indeed roleblocked. I'd still like to hear more feedback on whether we should lynch the CV. I'm thinking we should to avoid a situation in which he is mafia.
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On September 06 2010 03:46 SiNiquity wrote:
Do not vote for anyone. I may have something verry important (coming in just a few minutes).
##Unvote
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On September 06 2010 04:04 bumatlarge wrote:
Well pandain, if you really are martyr, we have the game won. You just protect citizen or myself, and with Opz as methman and siniquity as an undetermined role thats likely a defensive role, we have cant really lose.
Or you are lying. Yeah, really leaning towards divine/pandain now. citizen, fishball claimed to be RB'd
Is Opz methman? That makes things good(one less person to protect)
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