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On July 30 2010 22:39 Amber[LighT] wrote: CuDi or ManOnTheMoon If you seriously got this name change I... I would find some cool way to repay you whenever you needed it! So you like Kid Cudi huh? Lol.... | ||
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And yes. Ace can tell you that much. xD...He coulda let me bomberman my way to victory that one game. Lol | ||
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Anyway...Time to come up with some ideas.... How bout we all massively role claim?! No. Anyway, let's stop the spam. Just spamming does not make you active. Spamming gets you voted just as often as being inactive. Ask Chezinu and Bill. And Darth. (Last game?) | ||
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Anyway....Looking the thread over now. | ||
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On August 06 2010 23:39 KF91 wrote: I believe that this is one of the best ways to start off Day 1; mostly because like it was mentioned before, people do make mistakes and they shouldn't be lynched right away because of a single mistake they made on Day 1. Plus it promotes involvement, but I'm sure everyone's heard this countless times already. From what I know of BM, this is classic BM to me (Although the last game I played with him was XXII, so things could have changed.). He promotes some weird plan and the town attacks him. He ends up being Godfather. But from what I can remember, he also pushes plans like these when he's a townie as well. From BM's point of view, this is just a trap for the mafia, because although it would be harder for the town to sift through all the liars in a mass-role claim, it would be harder for the mafia to organize who would claim as what. Um, hi? If you have time, feel free to type more, since an "activity-check" post won't save you from getting lynched forever. From what I see, bad plan. So much risk for the town while the mafia has to give a small effort to make sure that the town is screwed over. - If mafia roleclaims as a blue, this plan won't work period. - If a real blue does roleclaim, but the bus driver buses the wrong person, we could hit another blue (Perhaps one of out DTs or medics) - The mafia has power-roles that could turn this plan onto the town and the town could be lynching townies on Day 2/3 depending on if this plan is actually implemented. IMO, single roleclaims=bad at any point of the game. Or actually, any type of roleclaims; while it may prove useful to the town, it will always help mafia in killing blues. Blues....are not that important.... -_-...Behavior. Press people. MAKE THEM POST. You shooting down a plan that would work makes me laugh. Idea would be to have a veteran claim and bus/med prot him....But I dunno...Or really like that plan....But if we choose at random....then lynch the person in an upcoming day. lol. Fuck it....I like the plan kinda, because we have infinite med prots using bus driver....omg... WEE CAN USE THE MAFIA AS VIGIS with this strategy!! | ||
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On August 07 2010 01:51 rastaban wrote: The mafia pretty much has to ignore him though, because there normal hits 100% guaranteed not to hit them, but if they target the vig then while it is likely they hit town they also have a 1/5 chance of hitting them selves (actually slightly higher since they definitely wont get the busdriver or the vig.) So every shot lobbed at the vig is actual great for town. The mafia will most likely ignore it and try to snip the other blue especially the busdriver. If the vigi is confirmed (we need to be 100% sure though) then other investigative blue roles can claim to him and he can share their results. so eventually it will work much like if the DT had claimed. I hadn't even read that....Yea...I'd see that being pretty useful using the vig....Okay....That's a good as idea. I'm down. | ||
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And if it is a mafia ploy? We'd have netted two mafia. The fake vigi claimer, and the dude who was hit by the vigi because he would have to have been protected. All medics should protect the guy getting vigi'd so they get the protection message, or mafia would have to use all KP to stop the plan, GIVING us quite a few more days... | ||
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On August 09 2010 14:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Yeah, I'm changing it up this game. Last game I posted a lot and got dragged into arguments and lines of thinking that ultimately didn't help the town and ended up being frustrated with myself. Since I have less time right now anyway, i'm taking a more laid back approach to this game and trying to think more analytically than emotionally. I'm sure you're not the only one to have noticed. That said I did some thinking and depending on what the tracker found, Xelin could be a confirmed innocent. Essentially, Xelin being framed to appear red doesn't matter - if Xelin is mafia and was tracked, the tracker will know that Xelin visited someone on today's kill list and ergo that he is mafia. If Xelin didn't visit anybody, then he's not mafia even if he was framed. So I don't think we need to worry about lynching Xelin. Exceptions: Xelin is Principal or Ninja, in such cases my previous logic does not apply since those roles can't be tracked. So basically this actually works out pretty well in that we have only 2 townies dead and 2 quasi-confirmed townies in Xelin and Foolishness. If a tracker speaks up, then we would all need to PM Xelin. Basically, tracker, whoever you tracked if they visited ANYONE and the person visited didn't die, you got us a confirmed townie. If they didn't visit anyone, you shouldn't pm them. GF, Ninja....Lil scary world out there. But, Tracker, if you visited Xelin, and Xelin visited someone. And given the watcher watched Xelin....We should have one hell of a town circle. VARY NICE?! So once Tracker posts that he followed Xelin...Should we mass claim to Xelin? We dont have the number of roles, BUT we can assume by balance.... | ||
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On August 09 2010 15:13 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: His only post since day 20. Lol. I didn't even know he was playing. Why isn't he on the inactive list above? I was already here. Check the post above yours. Got a new job. Remember I was talking about it last game? Sorry bro. Been missing my ass? Hold on, I'll come shake it. | ||
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On August 09 2010 15:18 ~OpZ~ wrote: I was already here. Check the post above yours. Got a new job. Remember I was talking about it last game? Sorry bro. Been missing my ass? Hold on, I'll come shake it. Wait. I take it back. You're retarded. THE POST YOU QUOTED WAS BEFORE YOU POINTED ME BEING MISSING. -_- If you're gonna point out I'm missing, can you do it before I post...Then brag about me just showing up AFTER you post, when in fact I posted BEFORE you even pointed it out. | ||
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On August 09 2010 15:21 bumatlarge wrote: Not sure if im following... You realize mafia might have framer and roleblocker, right? You're not following. Roleblocker...would block someones role. Tracker would follow them to whoever was role blocked. I guess Framer would make sense...Damn...I tried... Why you gotta spoil my idea. Hmm...But what if we claimed to who he was tracked to if he visited someone? | ||
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On August 09 2010 15:24 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I thought LSB's plan was to confirm the watcher and not Xelin. We've already had someone claim tracker and say they followed VoyeshMoru. Who? Read the thread please. Chez/Bumatlarge I know who. There could be more than one, or chez could be lying. It IS Chez after all.... | ||
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On August 09 2010 16:03 DarthThienAn wrote: Thoughts on last night's plan: What should have happened - DT check Xelin Tracker track Xelin Medic prot Xelin Watcher watch Xelin Other roles leave Xelin alone. DT can see Xelin's ROLE. If a Framer frames Xelin then awesome. Watcher will have him on lockdown. Tracker can see if Xelin is mafia or not. If Xelin was mafia, tracker will get the result "Xelin visited LSB/chaoser." If tracker sees "Xelin visited nobody," Xelin is either ninja or vanilla townie or GF. If tracker sees "Xelin visited [living person]" then Xelin is a blue or a nosy neighbor. Watcher will see that "DT, Tracker, Medic visited Xelin." If it's more than three people, then maybe we have duplicate blue roles. It all depends on what the dt/tracker/watcher tell us. Are we looking for a framer/roleblocker amongst the people who visited Xelin? A lying Watcher is dangerous because they have to be accurate with who they say visited Xelin. So I doubt that the mafia tried this one. If Xelin got roleblocked (though, that doesn't really affect the plan), the mafia are throwing themselves into the spotlight, which isn't smart. More likely is a framer, but they probably would have been afraid of the watcher. I think this covers it. If Xelin is GF, then the tracker will be able to hint us in that direction - "Xelin did not visit anyone." If that's true, we should be careful before claiming to Xelin or something. If Xelin is mafia, then the tracker will be able to tell us that. Otherwise, we're okay right? This part might be screwed up if Chez is telling the truth (and we don't have a 2nd tracker) however. What if Xelin is the framer... you think about that? | ||
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On August 10 2010 01:41 bumatlarge wrote: IF FOOLISHNESS IS MADIA THEN HE IS THE GF. The only way we can confirm him is illing him (lol) or finding the GF and then checking foolishness. As for BB, i really dont see a problem I gess. If we just have the DT check and the watcher watch him, we can catch a framer. If the try to kill him, wham bam watcher gets the info. Only beef with it is the GF situation again, really need to get it out of here :/ But the watcher can create lists and keep his mouth shut. If he watches and only 1 person visits, they stay alive and say they werent RBd we have a blue or a framer. Id suggest the watcher to then talk with him because the odds are good, especially if its someone nlikely to be framed. How is brownbear even arguably mafia...He claimed he was role blocked...-_- | ||
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He has claimed tracker, and claimed to of tracked mr smurf. So we believe chezinu these days? Read his posts. They instill chaos and disorder. He isn't at all advancing any town goal by not following LSB's plan. We would of verified SEVERAL blues including him if he would of tracked Xelin. Nothing could go wrong. It would of been to risking. I'm voting Chezinu. That's BS and if you guys believe that shit, then you're tards. Blue claiming isn't even going to help him. I don't believe him. | ||
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Did Chezinu PM you after he tracked you? Has he PM'd you at all? If so, please grace us with the lies he's fed you. And since I haven't seen your name before, I'm assuming you don't play much. So you wouldn't understand Chezinu's playstyle. Chezinu is a liar. And the closest he comes to the truth is half. So please inform us of this. | ||
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On August 10 2010 04:26 VayeshMoru wrote: That is not logically possible if the strategy employed was followed. A simple line of thought would make that clear. Good. You're here. And wrong. No. If Xelin was framer and visited someone NOBODY would know. Watcher watches people that visit him. Tracker follows Xelin. Detectives check Xelin. Framer visits somebody, without them knowing. Changes their alignment temporary, without them knowing. The tracker would know he visited somebody, but he wouldn't know what he did. He could either be a nosy neighbor, or the framer, or another blue role. | ||
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On August 10 2010 04:34 Hesmyrr wrote: Hmm, sudden idea occurred to me that instead of sending framer etc. to Xelin in order to halt the plan, mafia could imply choose not to send any mafia member to Xelin (b/c possibility of Godfather will stall town circle formation) then further confuse the thread by cluttering the thread up with the fakeclaims. For example, if Tracker really did not visit Xelin, the Xelin's veracity is in doubt and fear of not all PR visitng him (which CAN happen in this forum) will stall or maybe even stop the plan. Then when Xelin happens to die later on and flip town, we should definitely look heavily into everyone who gave out ambiguous soft-claims (such as VayeshMoru with his fanfic, if my memory serves?) VM and Chezinu. Chezinu is red. Through and through. | ||
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On August 10 2010 05:13 VayeshMoru wrote: Simple mistake to make. One must learn to read the past to make sense of the path we walk on. That is why a scribe has been needed. Still...Again, what if the DT's didn't follow the plan? | ||
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On August 10 2010 05:27 VayeshMoru wrote: Then a watcher would not have found the detective. A tracker in this case would be all that is needed to prove his legitimacy. To prove Xelin's legitimacy? What if Xelin is Nosy Neighbor/Framer? | ||
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On August 10 2010 05:31 VayeshMoru wrote: Does not matter. You fail to see the logic in this. A framer followed leads to a dead victim, not who he framed. The tracker would prove xelin town if xelin went out. No? The Framer doesn't kill his victim. He just temporary makes him appear mafia to DT checks. So if Xelin went out, he is not confirmed if the framer is still alive. | ||
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On August 10 2010 01:33 KF91 wrote: Alright, I voted for BM for Day 2 lynch, because he's been pretty inactive since the day started. From what I know of his playing style, he's usually constantly prodding people and accusing them of being mafia, but he's been pretty quiet for the past 10 pages. A quiet mafia vet is more dangerous than a newbie that is being quiet. Although I seem convinced about how Foolishness could be scum at this moment, but YM could also be scum as well. I think it would be better if we confirmed then during the Night and go for them tomorrow. I'm also suspicious of Brownbear at this moment, since I don't think a blue role would easily give up their role in that manner. He could have been either let it slip in the heat of the moment, but I definitely see it as a mafia trying to be seen as a blue. I agree with tree.hugger's plan for tonight: confirm BrownBear and Foolishness. Plus like someone mentioned before, it might be a waste to lynch inactives starting from now, since everyday that the town misses a lynch, the easier it is for the mafia to win. But it's been shown that mafia is usually hiding in the inactive players list most of the time. So, would it be better to activate a double lynch for tomorrow and get rid of a suspicious player plus an inactive? Your vote for BM is a bad choice in comparison to YoungMini. YoungMini is a better target, but Chezinu is better. Arguably Foolishness. Bad choice IMO. Bill's stopped his random spam, and just because VM (BC) and chezinu have banter doesn't mean they are active. They are posting, yes, but completely useless information. I would prefer if you changed your vote onto someone who would provide us more information, like Foolishness or Chezinu. It would be in the whole towns best interest. | ||
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On August 10 2010 07:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Yeah fantastic claim to the guy that is 0% confirmed since the whole plan relied on the watcher who doesn't apparently exist. I doubt you would be GF, though, so I suppose if you weren't tracked anywhere fishy you could be alright. Unless you were the role blocker that didn't act last night so BB could claim being waxed; the rules are unclear whether this is possible or not. DID you not see LSB's plan? If he was found red, he would of been given up a long time ago by the DT's that checked him. Fail Logic volume 1. | ||
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On August 10 2010 08:25 Foolishness wrote: For anyone who may be reading this game but not playing it, let it be known that saying "I'm blue" is much more convincing to prove yourself innocent than taking a hit at night. Duh. Look at Chezinu. | ||
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On August 10 2010 08:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I have, in fact, heard that there are at least 3 people claiming tracker. I have also heard that I am a tracker, which is news to me. You're actually Ninja. Let's get it straight. Duuhhhhhhhh. + Show Spoiler + (Maybe you're MH...omg...What are you!?) | ||
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On August 10 2010 08:31 Chezinu wrote: Opz? It seems like he hasn't even been reading the thread... how would he even have a town circle.. I still trying to get in one.. I haven't. My circle reads it for me, and PM's me on my android. Obviously! | ||
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On August 10 2010 08:39 Chezinu wrote: Opz, what does your circle say about me? It doesn't seem they have a highly favored opinion of me.. ...I dunno, but I have unlimited minutes with members of my circle... | ||
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Well I'm only allowed Five people in my circle at a time. I didn't opt for the Ten person plan. | ||
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2. Bill Murray 3. Pandain 4. DarthThienAn 5. Divinek 6. youngminii 7. VayeshMoru 8. rastaban 9. Pyrrhuloxia 10. XeliN 11. love1another (Townie, Day 1 Lynch) 12. Amber[LighT] - WtF amber is playing too? 13. Chaoser (Nosy Neighbor, Night 1) 14. Artanis[Xp] - Yo....Post.. 15. BrownBear 16. zeks - Zeks is mafia. 17. KF91 - ....You're playing? 18. bumatlarge - I see you posting.... 19. Foolishness - I believe he's veteran. 20. iNfuNdiBuLuM 21. Iaaan (Townie, Day 1 Modkill) 22. LSB (Townie, Night 1) 23. ~OpZ~ - STFU 24. Misder - Post 25. tree.hugger 26. Jayme - ....When is his last post? 27. Roffles - Wtf Roffles...Post again god damn.... 28. Hesmyrr - ...I told you... 29. SouthRawrea - Post something intelligent... 30. larjarse - Post more | ||
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On August 10 2010 15:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: It's not day 1 anymore; we can't get anywhere voting for inactivity all game. If we lynch the active mafia, the others will get more active. Your plans are anti-town. They don't get the information flowing - they get you FoS'd and town distracted. Or they get you the blue roles if you are Godfather like last time. Well, you aren't Godfather this game because there was too much Day 1 suspicion on you. Dude if you don't stop focusing on BM so fucking hard I'm going to fucking flip. BM POSTS A SHITTY PLAN NOBODY FOLLOWS. Makes him mafia?! He posts shitty plans all the time. Go look at PYP mafia 1. HE PICKED INVENTOR and F'd it ALL UP. -_- Seriously Pyrr, you are way to pig headed to look at someone else? This is fucking ridiculous. When Bill pops non mafia are you willing to serve yourself up for tomorrow? Because I guarantee if he pops blue/green/ninja, I'm going to vote for you EVERY DAY until you are lynched. Not because I support BM, no, BECAUSE YOU WONT LOOK AT A SINGLE PERSON OTHER THAN HIM AND FOOLISHNESS. You are beating a DEAD HORSE. Sure you might get him lynched. Wooo!!! But what happens if you're wrong. What's your next step? I'm done reading your spam. I'm half tempted to vote to lynch you just so I don't have to see you post anymore. THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE PLAYING THIS GAME OTHER THAN BILL FUCKING MURRAY. | ||
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On August 10 2010 16:51 larjarse wrote: Opz sup with that retarded list that randomly states your opinion about players of this game? I'm not really goonna add anything more today besides that we should lynch one of the heavy hitters to see what happens. I voted for BillMurray. I did day one too. We lynched a townie and 2 townies were hit. There is not much evidence about who did what because no plan fell though and today isn't looking to hot for blue/green plans either. I am reading the thread and all I see is a lot of speculation. I am taking things into consideration as I gather opinions and potential intended motives from posters. Lets lynch this BillMurray character and see whats good. Grow a pair, TOWN! K, you're mafia. And stupid. It was a list of the whole town moron. | ||
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On August 11 2010 11:24 tree.hugger wrote: ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I get back, and some garbage wagon on Pandain is what comes up? I thought I was reading a different game. This sets a new record for shoddy town play. If Pandain were ninja, stands to reason he'd act like mafia, in spreading some deception around. But would mafia claim ninja? That's the dumbest strategy I've ever heard. Because mafia would obviously put a huge target on their backs by claiming a third party elimination role. Who's logic was that? We had a vote between two solidly opposed camps. We had ample evidence to lynch youngminii. The mafia had likely all stacked on BM, because that was the only way to save him. At any rate, we have an excellent opportunity to get a kickass role list of innocent or mafia names. INSTEAD XeliN waltzes in and provides enough "evidence" to start a third party bandwagon that provides the world's most convenient outlet for the mafia. This literally ranks as one of the worst town-plays of all time. And to answer your question in pm's, XeliN, there's no way in hell I'm telling you anything. Your town circle seems to have a hole the size of the titanic, and with the slick move you just pulled off there, I think I'd rather go along with the people I currently trust, and not add a whole host of people who can't keep their mouths shut, and who would rather help the mafia then kill them. Worst town move I think I've ever seen. Good grief. really? You weren't paying attention last game. Honestly, this post seems mafia trying to stir doubts in Xelin's circle....What Leak are you talking about? BB? | ||
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On August 11 2010 12:12 Chezinu wrote: I declare Divinek has immunity tonight. Its his birthday guys.. Be nice. Same for me? | ||
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On August 12 2010 05:16 SouthRawrea wrote: Whoa happy birthday to you too! Lol....7 hours 45 minutes and I'll be 21!! =D | ||
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On August 12 2010 08:43 Divinek wrote: wow you lied about your DoB in your profile, that's cool man cuz i turned 20 today, yay for birthdays i totally support voting for anyone out of roffles, lasjarlesxiosjrsio, and young tomorrow Wtf?! It says 86?! !! I'm very mad now actually... | ||
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On August 12 2010 10:43 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Has Xelin actually been confirmed to anyone? Xelin is completely confirmed by tree.hugger's death. | ||
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On August 12 2010 10:53 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: What? If the blues die? But how do we know it wasn't a leak, then? There have been at least 2 blues claim in thread. Besides, even if he's mafia they would probably wait and maybe even sac one of their own at this point since he could lead us around anywhere. He has claimed that he is confirmed to a lot of people... I guess they don't want to post anything in the thread because they are blue? But I keep saying that I see no possible way he can be confirmed to so many people or have so many people be confirmed to him and yet no one even tries to point out why I am wrong. I told you to stop fucking putting distrust in the circle. I'm voting you now. | ||
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On August 12 2010 18:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Foolishness: Accurate here or way way suspiciously inaccurate? You decide. Tree.Hugger's posts about Bill Murray / Foolishness on Day 1: + Show Spoiler + First one: "Pyrr and BM are either geniuses, or they both fell on their swords spectacularly." I remember at the time thinking WTF does he mean? I still don't know what the fuck this means. I guess he was trying to link the two of us? I don't know. The rest of the post doesn't mention BM. On August 07 2010 09:45 tree.hugger wrote: Maybe he's waiting for more people to post, or for the day lynch so he doesn't look like an idiot in accusing someone who flips green? Either way, anyone who says they've figured out who the mafia is on Day 1 is wrong. It obviously doesn't work that way, or else we wouldn't play the game. Calling mafia on the first day is just a silly bluff that really doesn't help anyone, but does get people posting and information out in the thread, which is always good. Also, I like the idea of picking an inactive to lynch off of the SPL results. It's a good way to put pressure on any mafia inactives who wouldn't want to leave their survival up to chance. laaan and love1another haven't done anything really, we've can't let them off the hook on a 4-0! We all know it's going 7 and ending in a sick fantasy-flash ace match. I'm stupid for suggesting mafia Day 1... maybe. Or is town stupid for agreeing that we always lynch an innocent inactive day 1 and then doing that anyway? On August 07 2010 09:50 tree.hugger wrote: Woah woah woah, Pyrr, I know you were screwing people over last game because you were mafia, but if you start doing this again, you'll end up on the suspect list again. You've seriously figured out two mafia based on a handful of posts on Day 1? Bogus. We have no call for lynching BM with little more than your word today, even as bad as he might play. We have nothing on him. And now you're going after Foolishness because he called you out on your list? Not everyone who criticizes you is automatically mafia. Tree.Hugger has now made 5 posts in the thread. Three of these five speak out against lynching BM. They are increasingly more direct and desperate and Bill Murray's lynch continues to lead. I'm curious if any of you innocent players reading this were persuaded against me by some of these posts. On August 07 2010 09:45 tree.hugger wrote: Maybe he's waiting for more people to post, or for the day lynch so he doesn't look like an idiot in accusing someone who flips green? Either way, anyone who says they've figured out who the mafia is on Day 1 is wrong. It obviously doesn't work that way, or else we wouldn't play the game. Calling mafia on the first day is just a silly bluff that really doesn't help anyone, but does get people posting and information out in the thread, which is always good. Also, I like the idea of picking an inactive to lynch off of the SPL results. It's a good way to put pressure on any mafia inactives who wouldn't want to leave their survival up to chance. laaan and love1another haven't done anything really, we've can't let them off the hook on a 4-0! We all know it's going 7 and ending in a sick fantasy-flash ace match. That's right - don't go after BM. We have a much better chance at red by lynching love1another. Let's not use this thinking anymore. Reds have 5 teammates who will be able pm players and remind them to post. They are much less likely to be super inactive. On August 07 2010 10:22 tree.hugger wrote: I don't really think so, unless a mafia is really under threat, and the mafia thinks it can save that person without exposing themselves, (or if the person is one of the special roles, I guess) then they're likely to stay quiet and see if other people defend them first. I do see his post as poor reasoning, but not a scumtell by any stretch. See you keep thinking that BM was under serious pressure at that point, but the game had barely started. I could imagine someone pulling that when they're under the gun, but BM had three votes, a day ago, and the day hasn't even finished. I don't think we're nearly enough into the game to be saying things like that. The person who has the most votes after a few hours never gets lynched. I think BM is defending himself, but not to the point of desperation that you suggest. I just don't see the scumtells that you see. Tree.hugger has now used FOUR OF HIS SIX POSTS (including a double post) to DEFEND BILL MURRAY. All you fuckers have been putting me down for tunneling on Bill Murray. I'm not sure MY ratio of BM to non-BM posts was this high at this point in the game! You'll notice, by the way, that this is the chainsaw defense I accused Foolishness of - Tree.Hugger is somehow, this early on day 1, willing to insult the fuck out of me for trying to catch a red. Youngminii has yet to be mentioned. Foolishness saw no defense of Bill Murray in Tree.Hugger's posting, even though Tree.Hugger consistently defended BM on Days 1 and 2. No, it is much more likely to Foolishness that Tree.Hugger would try to save Bill Murray by helping boost a bandwagon on his own teammate, Youngminii, on day 2. (A bandwagon I think Foolishness started?) Also, Misder and Tree.Hugger put their votes onto Youngminii at the same time Day 2. Misder and Foolishness put their votes onto Youngminii at the same time Day 3. Hmm. Coincidence? Ya, maybe. Coincidence that Foolishness read all of Tree.Hugger's posts and didn't see that he was defending Bill Murray and pushing very hard for Youngminii's death? No way in hell. I love how Tree.Hugger goes out on a limb to suggest that the mafia aren't panicked. Why the hell would a mafia go out on a limb to help town out on something like this rather than hanging back a bit and letting town mistakenly take down a supposedly good player [this said, I think it would be a good strategy as mafia to keep an innocent BM alive as long as possible just because he constantly fucks the town up --- that said, he's kinda been scarce lately. Supposedly he's doing stuff behind the scenes. I know he's still scouting for blue info in PMs because he tried to get some from me.]. On August 08 2010 02:09 tree.hugger wrote: What a wonderfully ironic comment... But you're somewhat right, at least. Pyrr and BM are in full red scare mode, accusing anyone who disagrees with them of being mafia. That's not the way to play the game. Honestly, I don't see what either of you see in each other, you look like the usual cast of angry green players. The last couple pages are basically unreadable because of you two. Calm down and post constructively. The most pressing matter at the moment, isn't these plans, which we still have time to hash out at night, but it's our lynch today. I think love1another has 7 votes, to BM's 5, which is good, but I think there are still people left to vote, so it could swing. I don't think it should, because I think BM really doesn't have anything to recommend him as mafia here, and neither does love1another, really, but at least BM's been posting. However you view that posting, discussion is better than no discussion. I actually avoided this thread this morning, because I thought there might be SPL spoilers because of the neutral way were deciding the lynch. But apparently we're not doing that. Anyway my vote is still on Artanis[xp] who, I might add, has also been spectacularly unhelpful! Tree.Hugger notes that the vote between love1another and BM is too close for comfort, ends up changing his vote onto love1another to rectify this situation. On August 08 2010 12:39 tree.hugger wrote: You two are suddenly working together? Wait, what? And I've never been in a game where we got red with the first kill. There's a ton of factors that make it really difficult to pull off, but mainly it's just that we don't have good evidence on anyone. And that's no matter what you know, or (more likely) think you know about Foolishness or anyone else. We'll have more evidence after tonight, I guess. I don't think Foolishness is mafia, and I don't think you've proved it in any way. Tree.Hugger's posts on Bill Murray / Youngminii Day 2 + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2010 11:23 tree.hugger wrote: About the day post: This is positive. There's a missing kill there (Foolishness(?)), and a wandering townie died, which is actually somewhat fortunate. All blue roles intact, and the plan intact too. Mafia probably killed LSB because he was being really effective. Problem is, mafia suck at killing blues. If nobody screws up in pm land, (hello last game) we're set. But about this hit, I'm positive Foolishness is telling the truth. He always gets hit night one, but flamewheel probably took pity or something, and made him a vet. Or a medic saved him, but that means our plan is screwed, and we wasted a day on this. tree.hugger is the first poster to believe Foolishness's veteran claim. He says either he is vet or medic saved him (which couldn't be true since that was against the plan). NO MENTION OF THE FUCKING ULTRALISK IN THE ROOM: HE COULD BE GODFATHER. Or that mafia could stack kills. If Foolishness is innocent, and tree.hugger knows this, you'd think the mafia would want to cast some doubt, or at least not be first on the scene to try to get people to believe he's confirmed innocent. So what happens next? Nobody challenges tree.hugger on this. Not even me, though I had one post earlier mentioned the GF possibility. On August 09 2010 11:49 tree.hugger wrote: Wait. Are you an idiot? You just claimed a blue role like that? Tree.Hugger immediately jumps to the blue conclusion. A few posts later I mention that greens and ninjas can be waxed. Tree.Hugger responds to mention he didn't realize this (The framer doesn't know what the roleblocker can do? Lol. But given Pandain's fuck up, totally possible. On August 09 2010 12:28 tree.hugger wrote: ^ Accidental double quote/post. If neither of these are counter-claimed, it seems like we've got two pretty-confirmed townies? I mean, it makes no sense for the mafia to stack on either chaoser or LSB, let alone in the first night. And there can only be one roleblock, and as I've discovered, you get notified no matter what... so.... seems like we've got progress? But, as always, there'll be a counter-claim. Tree.Hugger realizes that the town is missing an important opportunity. See, the thread is clogged with people worried about how the LSB plan went last night and no one is noticing the huge opportunity town has to confirm two townies! The only thing that could possibly go wrong is that the mafia could counter claim. Which, of course, never happened. Which, of course, tree.hugger would have known would never come. [Feel free to tell me if I'm wrong on this, circle peeps.] Why the fuck would a mafia (one of the few unsuspected ones if I am at all correct) push a plan that the town is ignoring to confirm two people that the mafia knows are innocent? This is the same tree.hugger that started out being all negative on the pandain plan and was extremely leery of the LSB plan. But Foolishness and BrownBear are confirmed townies if no one counter-claims. " And there can only be one roleblock, and as I've discovered, you get notified no matter what... so.... seems like we've got progress?" Tree.Hugger would know that roleblocker can refrain from sending a roleblock. If Tree.Hugger's reason for this post was to just look more pro-town... why wouldn't he just cautiously follow Xelin? Why would he try to be the catalyst for a wholly new plan centered around confirming Foolishness and BrownBear? Why wouldn't he be helpful by pointing out the roleblocker could refrain from sending a roleblock, thereby casting a bit of doubt on town's planning? Hesmyrr did point some of these problems out at the time. Also, lol Misder: On August 09 2010 12:40 Misder wrote: I think that Foolishness is innocent. We have been sending PMs to each other, and I have been trying to help him get information about some people, which I can't say who. If Foolishness was mafia, he would be helping to kill his own mafia members. I also want to make a public apology to Foolishness for not doing what he told me on time. I have been stuck in class the entire day, and cannot post or pm during that time. I'm actually sneaking out to right this. I really have to go. Also, when I read that LSB is suspicious of me being mafia, I cannot click the link; it makes a 404 error. If anyone can point me to that post, I would be happy to answer why I posted the way I did. Gotta love newbies and their "they are innocent because they are PMing me thinking". Funny that Rastaban, who faked claimed Ninja, and lied to say that he checked Foolishness and got back veteran, and who also said he has been PMing with Foolishness, and who has voted with Foolishness each day to save Bill Murray, would immediately jump to supporting the plan of confirming Foolishness as veteran and using busses to protect him. On August 09 2010 12:57 rastaban wrote: Well it looks like we lucked out to a degree on our night kills. Also we now look at having the vigilante claim so we can bus him. If we follow this plan then we can look at having a confirmed townie and possibly roleclaiming to him. And what do you know... Rastaban is today's claimer of the role blocking. Poor roleblocker may never get to block anyone . On August 10 2010 01:20 tree.hugger wrote: Whew. That was a workout. People have a habit of reading a ton of pages and criticizing everyone below them for spam, but actually there's some interesting stuff. There's this YM, Foolishness debate going on, and meanwhile we have votes sitting on Bill Murray? A ton of people have listed Foolishness as one of their most suspicious players, so why not vote for him? That's strange. About YM. I'm convinced on Foolishness, and for the most part, I buy his argument on youngminii. He played the first day really oddly, and I can see IRL issues, but then the second day he's played it differently as well. I dunno, more angry. Remember what I told you last game? Cool your jets. Going to hold off on a vote for him at the moment, just on principle, really, but I think he's far and away our best candidate. Although we keep allowing Artanis[xp] to get away with posting nothing. Thankfully there's no suicide bomber this game, so it shouldn't hurt us too much to leave him alone... for the moment. Might be a ninja? So much for candidates at the moment. There was a thing I wanted to address... I think we're forgetting about this. Someone took a hit last night, AND someone was roleblocked. And we have no competing claims on either. Now, is it *possible* that the mafia would stack kills on chaoser or LSB to "confirm" Foolishness? I guess, but it's pretty silly, knowing that the medics were not supposed to protect any of them, and why would they protect either of those players anyway? But the mafia not roleblocking to confirm someone? The mafia not roleblocking on Day 1 with a devastating town plan in action? That seems really unlikely. I think we should try to confirm BrownBear and Foolishness tonight. If we can do that, then it doesn't matter how LSB's plan didn't work out, because we've got confirmed townies. We had this situation last game, and we didn't do anything with it. Let's not make this mistake again, yes? First post from Tree.Hugger weighing in on the lynch. Incredulous that people could possibly suspect the immaculate Bill Murray. Anything bad about him is branded as spam. Buys Foolishness line on YM and pushes to confirm BrownBear and Foolishness [I don't see how this can be done for Foolishness if GF. BrownBear has perhaps been confirmed, but I'm not in circle so whatever. Circle can correct me if anything is wrong and I'm not going to vote for someone the circle says is off limits until some good evidence comes that it's infiltrated because I'm getting increasingly more reasons to trust it.] On August 10 2010 01:47 tree.hugger wrote: The difference between your play this game, and your play last game is really really suspicious. There's a massive FoS on you, and you're acting like a child, throwing suspicion around and trying to get back at the people who accused you. Plus, I'll use the same argument I used last time, if we lynch you, it confirms a lot of people. I guess you could say the same thing about BM, but I'm pretty sure BM is [not] mafia, while you've looked nothing but suspicious from the first minute of the game. Yep, sure looks like youngminii must be mafia if tree.hugger is trying so hard to save him. On August 10 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote: If we waited for people to be 100% confirmed every game, we'd never get anything done. AND THAT IS EXACTLY HOW MAFIA PLAN TO GET BACK IN THIS GAME. [also makes me less suspicious of bumatlarge. I hope someone in the circle sees this and it clicks with some info they have] On August 10 2010 03:36 tree.hugger wrote: All the fun is gone because he blew it. But we have better targets to go after. Or you could just explain for him instead of being unhelpful and spamming? Basically Youngminii's posting has deviated drastically from the posting in his previous two games. He's resorted to chainsaw attacks against those who accuse him. Youngminii attacked people that attacked him. He wasn't defending anyone but himself. That's not a chainsaw defense. Tree.Hugger and Foolishness putting down players that suspect Bill Murray is a chainsaw defense. Notice they both consider me innocent because they know I am. I don't know how I have not died at night except to say that BM knows I am not in the circle and that is probably a more pressing concern. Not to mention no one believes me . But here is more eerie proof for town to ignore. It makes me feel better that one of my most hurtful critics flipped red and thought it was important to use many of his posts to try to marginalize me. How could Foolishness possibly think that someone who accuses youngminii of chainsaw defense is just passively following along to youngminii's lynch? On August 10 2010 12:58 tree.hugger wrote: This thread is like that game "Red Light/Green Light". When I'm on and following it, nothing gets posted. When I leave, it explodes. Here's the thing about youngminii and BM. They both give us a lot of information. But there's a difference between bad posting (BM) and suspicious posting (youngminii). The town always ends up lynching people who have posted dumb ideas, or clumsily explained themselves. These people are never red. The key is to find people who are posting oddly, like youngminii has been. If you look at his posts, and compare them to the games he's been playing as town, then you see an obvious difference. He's resumed his level of activity, and I grant that activity over one day never says a lot, but since he's resumed posting, he's still not really played like he has in the past. His posts have been full of the vitriol and energy as normal, but it's like he's purposely lost his confidence in picking out mafia, and is suddenly playing like a child. He's just hitting back for no reason. I fought bitterly (and wrongly, I feel obliged to add) against him last game, but even throughout, he maintained that I was a townie. But this kind of defending where he FoS's his accuser? It's much more suspicious. Meanwhile, BM has been posting mostly content-less post, including cat image macros, and bad plans early. But, knowing BM's style, this isn't particularly surprising. BM has done nothing else to look suspicious, only defended himself from Pyrr's ham-handed attacks. I see just another classic townie v. townie fight. He's not mafia. Let's not make the same mistakes again. Apparently little tree.hugger is pissed off that when he's not filling the thread with pro-BM propaganda, my truth gets through to the townspeople. More than every other post from tree.hugger is bashing on my ideas with no good reasons behind it other than "BM is always plays anti-town so we should assume he is always pro-town" the same line of crap Foolishness has been throwing all game. On August 10 2010 13:00 tree.hugger wrote: Wait he claimed MH? I just posted defending you, and then you do stupid things like roleclaiming for other people in the thread? Bro, chill out, and start being productive so I don't look like an idiot. So now it is leaked that brownbear is madhatter. Trackers can check this so I guess circle can handle it. On August 10 2010 13:26 tree.hugger wrote: Wait, actually I'm not sure. Care to explain more? I don't follow. I will admit I am more suspicious of Foolishness than BM at this point. Not sure what to make of this. Why would Tree.Hugger ask for clarification here if there wasn't at least one of them that was mafia? On August 10 2010 13:35 Hesmyrr wrote: This is all WIFOM. BrownBear and Foolishness are in contact with each other. Foolishness is also in separate contact with Bill Murray. If Foolishness is mafia, then he can kill BB with impunity, but BB might have taken insurance by telling someone about contact between them. So by telling Bill Murray, he buys an way out because he was under big pressure yesterday- and knowing his play tendency might have expected him to reveal it. The fact supporting this argument is that I see no reason for Foolishness to tell Bill Murray BB's role. Of course I think other way is more probable, that Bill Murray is scum and he is taking advantage of Foolishness's mistake by revealing the fact that he came to knew BB's identity due to Foolishness. Knowing how Foolishness defended him, it would not be very hard to push for his lynch if BM flips red. Fact supporting this is I see no reason why Bill Murray would reveal he know BB's role- I honestly do not believe Bill thought revealing someone else's role was going to save him. At least one of the two has to be mafia. Stop ignoring this, town. On August 10 2010 13:47 tree.hugger wrote: Yeah this is useless, honestly. It's a gut call whichever is more likely, and of course, they could both be town, and BM could just be reckless. Bedtime. Expecting this thread to somehow be another twenty pages when I return because Chezinu claimed Morgan Freeman or something. Please respond to my pm's. Thank you. Who has he been PMing? On August 11 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote: I KNEW IT! *** Just read through, and I'm waiting for youngminii's posts today, because it'll be interesting how he reacts. I don't think I've seen anything else to recommend BM as a mafia, and I really don't see why he's getting more than Pyrr's vote, as Pyrr seems kind of fixed in on BM. And please, if I pm'd you, please respond. Aside from that, I'd like to make a plea for civility in this thread. I'm sure the majority of people posting are angry townies, and try to remember, everyone's on the same side here until proven otherwise. So BB, no matter how dumb it was for BM to reveal your role, it happened, and there's no need to rage at him in the thread. BM, I know you're getting frustrated, and so am I, but if you just coolly defended yourself in the first place, you'd likely not be under suspicion to begin with. And Pyrr, it doesn't make any more sense to start revealing more roles, no matter what you think you know or not. That's not helpful either. More BM defense and marginalization of me. If I am such a loose cannon going after a boat load of innocents, why marginalize me so much? The fact is, I bet BM and Foolishness are on the same team and have been working together since Day 1. All of the fights between them are a bunch of smoke kicked up because I pegged their asses on Day 1 and they knew they had to create some sort of diversion and some sort of fake conflict between them. (And the conflict over BB's role is totally fake BS - at least Foolishness's account of it. More on that later when I share my PMs with him. Also note that the two people that have been scoping for blues through PMs are Bill Murray (he admits this) and Foolishness (see the PMs from LSB I posted after LSB died)). Also, town, if you think I'm so crazy and such a bad player... LSB suspected Foolishness just as much as me. And he's been our best player so far - just ask tree.hugger. On August 11 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote: I KNEW IT! *** Just read through, and I'm waiting for youngminii's posts today, because it'll be interesting how he reacts. I don't think I've seen anything else to recommend BM as a mafia, and I really don't see why he's getting more than Pyrr's vote, as Pyrr seems kind of fixed in on BM. And please, if I pm'd you, please respond. Aside from that, I'd like to make a plea for civility in this thread. I'm sure the majority of people posting are angry townies, and try to remember, everyone's on the same side here until proven otherwise. So BB, no matter how dumb it was for BM to reveal your role, it happened, and there's no need to rage at him in the thread. BM, I know you're getting frustrated, and so am I, but if you just coolly defended yourself in the first place, you'd likely not be under suspicion to begin with. And Pyrr, it doesn't make any more sense to start revealing more roles, no matter what you think you know or not. That's not helpful either. It's okay for Tree.Hugger to point out that Foolishness is confirmed blue. It's okay for Tree.Hugger to point out that Brown Bear is confirmed blue. It's okay for Bill Murray as well. And not at all bad for Foolishness to have told Bill Murray. But not for me to out a blue? I have no idea what he's talking about here, either. I thought maybe it was me mentioning Pandain's "fake" ninja claim but I think that comes later. Xelin later told town anyway so I don't think it was the wrong decision. The inconsistencies here and who they favor should be obvious, though. On August 11 2010 11:24 tree.hugger wrote: ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I get back, and some garbage wagon on Pandain is what comes up? I thought I was reading a different game. This sets a new record for shoddy town play. If Pandain were ninja, stands to reason he'd act like mafia, in spreading some deception around. But would mafia claim ninja? That's the dumbest strategy I've ever heard. Because mafia would obviously put a huge target on their backs by claiming a third party elimination role. Who's logic was that? We had a vote between two solidly opposed camps. We had ample evidence to lynch youngminii. The mafia had likely all stacked on BM, because that was the only way to save him. At any rate, we have an excellent opportunity to get a kickass role list of innocent or mafia names. INSTEAD XeliN waltzes in and provides enough "evidence" to start a third party bandwagon that provides the world's most convenient outlet for the mafia. This literally ranks as one of the worst town-plays of all time. And to answer your question in pm's, XeliN, there's no way in hell I'm telling you anything. Your town circle seems to have a hole the size of the titanic, and with the slick move you just pulled off there, I think I'd rather go along with the people I currently trust, and not add a whole host of people who can't keep their mouths shut, and who would rather help the mafia then kill them. Worst town move I think I've ever seen. Good grief. More reason I trust Xelin. Notice he wants us to think the mafia were trying to save Bill Murray even though that makes no fucking sense and it should be obvious by now that WHEN TWO DAYS IN A ROW, FOOLISHNESS, BILL MURRAY, TREE.HUGGER, AND RASTABAN all bandwagon onto someone to save Bill Murray the mafia is not gonna be all stacked on him. Notice the MAFIA who just earlier the same day was saying WE SHOULD TRUST FOOLISHNESS AND BROWN BEAR AS CONFIRMED AS LONG AS THERE IS NO MAFIA COUNTERCLAIM, and that WE SHOULDN'T WAIT FOR 100% CONFIRMATION BECAUSE WE COULD NEVER DO ANYTHING AS A TOWN OTHERWISE, is now saying FUCK XELIN HE'S SKETCH. I'll admit I doubted Xelin at this point, but I never said we should be trusting someone else 100%, and I never said we should trust easily since otherwise we'll never get anything done. And, I told Xelin I'd follow him for at least a lynch or two since the potential benefit was huge and his suspicions on Pandain matched up with things I'd heard about in PMs. Maybe tree.hugger was being truthful about the mafia not freaking out over me pressuring Bill Murray Day 1. They are freaking the fuck out now, though, I guarantee it. Really good luck on our part with Xelin, plus a good plan and outstanding leadership and initative from LSB. On August 12 2010 02:18 tree.hugger wrote: Alright look. Bum's right, I got a little annoyed. But after the OSL this morning, I'm feeling better. I had already heard several of the claims that Pandain had made. It seemed to me that a ninja and a mafia player could be expected to play similarly, because they both had something to hide. But I couldn't fathom a reason why anyone would falsely claim ninja. If a mafia member claimed ninja, they'd be taking a big risk that word of their role wouldn't leak. Maybe that role would confirm the player to the town, but with other ninja's in the game who's sole obvjective is to kill other ninjas, this would be a terrible claim to make. Why on earth would the mafia risk dying to a third party? At the same time, a blue role claiming ninja would be phenomenally dumb. Risking, your death to infiltrate a circle that you're already aligned to? Therefore, I felt strongly that Pandain must be the role he initially presented himself as, because only a ninja would actually claim ninja, and then attempt to muddy the waters with other claims. There's no benefit for a townie, and there's too much risk for the mafia. That said, no matter how much evidence we had against Pandain, then the lynch was still a bad idea, because it took a potentially touchy situation (a split vote) for the mafia, and gave the mafia a third option that would relieve them of any suspicion, and save one of their own. I'm pretty sure that youngminii is mafia, and I'd love to vote to test it out. Most people in the thread seemed convinced of either this, or BM's guilt. If we find a mafia between these two, then we've got a fantastic trove of evidence to pick from. But now, we're going to have to do it all again. And furthermore, to answer your question about whatever town circle is operating, I have people I trust for reasons that are my own. I have not had any of these people divulge anything sensitive we've discussed publicly, meanwhile, I can count several leeks in the the thread from XeliN's circle. I'm expecting tonights deaths to really really suck, because someone in your circle told someone else, and that person told someone else, and if the mafia is playing this game at all, they've probably heard everything. The anti-youngminii push is so obvious here. There's no way Tree.Hugger was expecting to die so soon and have his role revealed. I bet he spent the whole game worried hed be the only mafia left on Day 3. Hardly anyone seriously called him out until this post by OpZ, which immediately made tree.hugger change his demeanor (how did I not call him out earlier for his defenses of BM and Foolishness? If I had just called him out earlier you'd all be loving me now.) Again, this post makes me more suspicious of Foolishness than BM. Still worried about both, though. tl;dr Mr. Resetti continues tunneling, undaunted. He continues to articulate his unmasking of mafias uno y dos: Foolishness and Bill Murray He also continues to articulate his suspicion of mafia numero tres: BrownBear His list has been appended with two newcomers, who could possibly have originally been innocent but are surely now controlled for evil by Foolishness: Rastaban Misder Maybes: bumatlarge KF91 SouthRawrea Mr. Resetti has also pledged his allegiance to the exalted Xelin or Xelin. The exalted one should be able to determine whether or not the tunneler is digging toward gold or fool's gold. Bonus: Vote Analysis: Day 2 + Show Spoiler + End of Day 2: Votes for youngminii (5) Foolishness rastaban tree.hugger KF91 Bill Murray I swear to the Lord that I completed everything above this part of the post before I even checked to see this final total. Lawl. Lol on KF91, what's he done all game? Probably super inactive and didn't see the Pandain stuff. Second to last official count on Day 2: Votes for Bill Murray (10) Pyrrhuloxia Hesmyrr Roffles KF91 Artanis[Xp] larjarse zeks bumatlarge BrownBear Jayme Votes for youngminii (8) Foolishness rastaban Bill Murray Divinek Misder tree.hugger DarthThienAn ~OpZ~ Foolishness, rastaban, and Bill Murray form the start of the YM bandwagon. Tree.hugger is on it. So is Misder. Tree.hugger literally posts saying he is following a PM from some unnamed person - this is his stated reason for changing from Artanis to Youngminii. Rastaban and Misder have both openly admitted choosing their votes based on PMs from Foolishness. Roffles unvotes from BM and votes BC as a joke. It is now 9-8, with BM on the lynch. Bumatlarge switches to BM (fos here) KF91 switches to BM (potential fos) Notice BrownBear is on Bill Murray after the fake fight involving his role being revealed. Bill Murray posts in the thread saying BrownBear's vote was childish and emotional. BrownBear goes of Bill Murray and onto Zeks. Then the Xelin stuff begins. The count is 8 for BM and 5 for Youngminii when tree.hugger votes youngminii. Day 1 + Show Spoiler + OpZ and SouthRawrea vote Bill Murray. Bill Murray does his real fake joking serious vote on Divinek. He is followed by bumatlarge and rastaban. This puts Bill Murray out of lynch position. Votes for Bill Murray (4) SouthRawrea larjarse Pyrrhuloxia DarthThienAn Votes for love1another (4) rastaban chaoser KF91 Hesmyrr Rastaban moves from divinek and on my prodding goes to Bill Murray. He says he buys my arguments on Bill Murray. He quickly bails to love1another, though. love1another votes BM to save himself. South Rawrea switches to put Bill Murray out of lynch position again. Bill Murray moves to love1another and votes double lynch. From here it gets more spread out and tree.hugger ends up on Artanis. BrownBear on laaan. bumatlarge on divinek. Final count is 10-6. LOL Anyway... I'm tired of this "if they can"... Flamewheel, Can the mafia choose not to roleblock during the night? | ||
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Last night was interesting. The town had 3 deaths planned for varying individuals. We aligned with 2 ninjas and a supposed vigi. Killed by a confirmed - Tree.Hugger. Killed by a confirmed - Divinek. And finally, it comes to the last hit that was planned. Roffles. Roffles had been contributing nothing to the game. The circle had perceived that his time had come. We were upset by his unconstructive behavior and general uselessness. So we decided to confirm the person who claimed vigilante by hitting him. Important note: The first two hits cost chopsticks. Meaning their hits went through. 100%. Now for the Vigi...He claims his hit on Roffles went through and he doesn't have another night KP. Did anyone claim to have been med protected? No. I know who was med protected, and am in constant communication with them. Did anyone claim to have taken a hit as veteran? No. And most importantly: Were there six kills last night? No. So then we come to this cross road. Was Darth double stacked to die? My answer for this is no. Darth's name was not mentioned in PM's with anyone other than who he was in direct contact with. My name was leaked, Xelin's name was leaked. Darth's, as far as I know, has never been leaked. So the mafia would have no reason to double Darth. Xelin is 100% confirmed because he was tracked by darth, and the mafia Framer died last night. With that said, a framer being in the game implies their is a DT in this game. I would like the DT to PM Xelin or myself. Unless of course the Framer is just for the ninjas (which I'm sorry, ninja's aren't really town aligned, so....) The person who claimed Vigi. youngminii. + Show Spoiler [PM between me and YM] + Yep, no clashes or anything (as far as I can tell) ----------------------------------------- Original Message: So is your hit used up? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Why are you assuming I HAVE to use my night kill? It's not lylo or anything, I would have waited and saved it for a rainy day. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: who were you going to hit? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I don't really see the point in hitting roffles, I don't think he's scum and I'd rather not waste my vigi hit but.. If that's what it takes to confirm me, sure. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: You're hitting Roffles. You dig? Xelin's mia... I will leave this up to the town decision....He claims that his hit is used, but their should of been 6 deaths last night if it was. There is another person who has claimed that refuses to respond to night action requests that claimed Mad Hatter, but I would prefer he remain anonymous for the time being. He will be followed tonight so as to ascertain his truthfulness. This is why I find YM suspicious. If he hit Roffles, then the mafia double stacked someone. I find it more likely that the mafia hit Roffles...And the Youngminii is mafia. So I'm going to begin with what was started on Day 2. I'm voting YM. | ||
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On August 14 2010 11:32 XeliN wrote: Ace you can find out after the game ends how I came to be confirmed, or are you questioning at this point that I am confirmed, because I think it ought be clear to the point of public certainty by now, but if you need clarification I'll happily provide ^^ We deciding on night actions tonight? It's rather funny actually. End game write up gonna be bad ass. | ||
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On August 14 2010 13:42 rastaban wrote: There are reports of up to 4 trackers in this game (don't know how many confirmed) so I assume that is how he is confirmed. Since the framer doesn't affect tracking, if he went anywhere that night but the kill, he would be confirmed. (GF would just be shown staying at home). Ace....This. Framer died, so him visiting anyone that wasn't role blocked instantly confirmed him. | ||
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On August 14 2010 08:24 Foolishness wrote: This is all interesting. Given the mafia's poor choices in hits the past two days, minus Darth and myself, don't you think it's reasonable mafia hit Divinek or Roffles? I'm not changing my vote or anything yet, just want to know your thoughts about this. I'm not sure what I think about killing a possible blue. We know who hit divinek... Roffles on the other hand is a toss up. I was informed he lost his hit. I figure flamewheel would tell you if your hit didn't go through, but he said he lost it. | ||
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On August 15 2010 00:08 youngminii wrote: Cool, that was a random red snipe. Didn't see that one coming at all. But yeah, I guess Opz revealed my vigi. And yeah I used it on Roffles like he told me to. Still feels like a waste imo. Only because there were five deaths. If there were six you would be confirmed and we would have every mafia in the bag.... | ||
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On August 15 2010 18:09 Bill Murray wrote: why should we vote someone when i know for a fact foolishness is red Explain? | ||
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On August 16 2010 01:10 Foolishness wrote: Considering I'm a veteran and I took a hit last night, which hasn't been disputed by anyone, I beg to differ. On August 16 2010 01:10 Foolishness wrote: And by last night I mean the first night I really hope that wasn't a mafia slip up where you inadvertently forgot the mafia only had 2 KP...Lol...Cuz I forgot it. | ||
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On August 16 2010 02:53 rastaban wrote: Foolishness knows far more about the roles people have this game then he probably should. If he was mafia you can be sure that the ridiculous luck the town has been having never would have happened. I have been working with him most of the game and his suspicions have been surprisingly accurate. Here are a few: He told me not to try and get Divinek lynched as he was probably town: He was, mafia would never have defended such an easy lynch He and I both felt Bumatlarge and Misder were good lynch targets for the last few days. no way Mafia would bus 2 of there own like that. Here are some additional reasons I defend him: He has worked hard organizing regular townies to catch reds, forming circles of information gathering, rather than basing it off of roles (mafia wants your roles). We have Misder openly stating he is working with foolishness in PMs, but he Vehemently denies having any PMs with bumatlarge. Mafia doesn't want linked, no way they are going to openly state they are working together. Lastly roles were not random this game, they were Flamewheelinized. Foolishness dies night 1 every game, FW in his all knowing mercy gave Foolishness the vet role so he could finally live to see night 2. Remember the previous game was created specifically for Foolishness and he died the first night. I don't think mafia would pull a hit night 1 when they know every medic was sitting xelin due to the plan. it was like a free night to kill whoever they wanted. Even the bus driver and watchers were on xelin so there wasn't any risk of being caught either. Plus these plans can go awry so easily (see how he is almost lynched this whole game) it was an awful first move and mafia wouldn't have made it because they gain nothing. We know it doesn't confirm him, and it just makes us more likely to lych him. Infundiblilum hasn't been posting enough content for me not to justify his lynch anyway...I haven't gotten a single PM from him. Pyrr...I dunno about personally. Tree.Hugger, Misder, Bumatlarge. Three mafia already down. And Chezinu...Where are you? | ||
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On August 16 2010 07:25 Bill Murray wrote: Attention: I know who the mafia roleblocker is BC is a ninja, and so am I lynch him, and i'll tell you all the roleblocker. sorry to spam, but this got bumped off by two huge posts, and this is important to my win condition Bill will be removed from the game the minute the other ninja dies. Bet requires cheating to complete. Do not follow through with deal. | ||
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On August 16 2010 07:56 Bill Murray wrote: you broke rule #9, and should be modkilled, but you won't, because this site is elitist. BC was playing and keeping his arrangements. I'm almost positive he would have offered information for the other ninjas. You tried to make the same deal but decided to rennig on it. I have my own win condition to attain and with Misder/Roleblockers death...I'm sorry, but Role checks become...a little less useful and the GF would have to be YM or Infund... Which that would mean its infund. | ||
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On August 16 2010 21:13 XeliN wrote: Misder has been role checked and it has been returned mafia, furthermore he has been tracked to Ace, the single person to die last night. The only way people ought not vote for you is if they think it is fairly plausible that flamewheel would include 2 framers, a roleblocker and a godfather amongst the mafia roles, including 3 night KP. I don't think it is plausible and so for now votes will be You (Misder) and Southrawrea. But Xelin!! I would of been tracked to Ace last night two along with Misder!!! Nooooooooooooo I MUST BE MAFIA ALSO!!! Besides, if you flip scum to DT, you die. | ||
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It doesn't matter cuz if misder/south are both mafia, KP one. Let me or Xelin die. I'll try and pop up some analysis on my suspects, but most importantly you'll have several confirmed people. And with my plan in order, we are guaranteed victory. =D!!! | ||
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On August 16 2010 22:54 SouthRawrea wrote: Just gonna vote myself to avoid causing confusion for town and because even though I'm green my death benefits us anyways. How would your death benefit us if you were green? -_- YOUR DEATH ONLY BENEFITS US IF YOU'RE RED. Now plz, list of suspects. That would benefit us. Go at some others like you went as Misder. That is how you can benefit us if you are truly green. Not doing this assures me and everyone else you are mafia. SAME WITH YOU MISDER. List of other suspects. I would like both of you. BM could be lying about South just to fuck the town over and create confusion. I don't know why no one pointed this out, as I haven't tracked South. | ||
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On August 16 2010 08:27 VayeshMoru wrote: or a hilarious GF and a team of reds? Dude your entire play this game has been self serving and hostile. Everything you have done has to been to benefit yourself. True your third party, however you allied yourself with the town. At this point you became an ally of them and instead you acted like a tool. Then, once every gambit you do fails, you opt for this. Had you just come forward on your end of the deal opz would have just let us off eachother most likely but instead you did all this chaotic crap. Then, when you think you fucked yourself over because of it all, you try to get me modkilled (strategically in my head). Just sit down and wait till night where you and I can settle this like big ninjas. Also, if pyrr is around, can you come forward and tell people who I had you analyze like 1-2 nights ago please + the general info you found. Would be greatly appreciated. ...Yea...I was going to point out that pyrr hasn't posted in a while. I'm still wondering where the people you asked him to analyze were going to show up in thread... You may have missed this post Pyrr, so plz be forthcoming. | ||
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On August 16 2010 09:30 Amber[LighT] wrote: lol thanks BM... and I was so nice to you defending you all game long and you go and do shit like this. I had actually promised him victory. I had a deal with him since Day one (don't think I just sold you out for the role blocker BC...I had this deal before I knew anything...I honor my promises too, I just didn't know it would turn into this.) I was going to arrange protection, risking myself, just because I promised him victory. I was beyond angry when I found out BC knew BM's role, but BC promised he was role checking that night, so I left it be. Then when BM offered my the role blocker for the ninja...I mean, what should I of done? I had actually PREVIOUSLY told BC I was going to, but I didn't sell him out the night he role checked.... Even tho my ninja was sold out... -______- I didn't sell you out. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: heres hoping I haven't been sold out. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: So...what are you planning on doing tonight BC? Even though I previously said: So then I should be selling you out tonight too? =( We were just going to have all three of you kill each other last night. Figured it'd be funny as shit. + Show Spoiler + As I said, I promised BM, I would give him the other ninja before/by Day 5 ----------------------------------------- Original Message: ---- already did so lol + Show Spoiler + He had been sold out before that I think...All in all, I think 3 to 5 people told him...also, I never once said BM was ninja to him. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: You're aware of the ninjas? Lol...Well I planned on selling one ninja out to the other ninja... + Show Spoiler + I think BC thought I mean selling BM out to him...Notice the sad face in the next message I sent... -__- ----------------------------------------- Original Message: yep I know. I am aware of the ninjas as well. I jsut got a pm from south (yet hes hasn't been on a messenger in awhile) trying to fish info out of me lawl. So, seeing as all of this actually occurred, Yes BC, we all know I gave you to BM. But again, it was part of an arrangement I had way before hand. You kept your word to the town, I kept my word to BM, BM failed to keep his to me. So I most certainly hope you don't look at it as me betraying you. I actually felt betrayed that you were given the other "the other ninja" (how I referred to BM in my messages to BC) without my consent. Do you see now Bill? I kept my word to you completely and whole heartedly. I'm posting this publicly for a few reasons, and would like to end this discussion over this now. But I feel BC needed and explanation, especially after the arguments that have happened. I kept my word, and you made the last deal role blocker for ninja, not me. What did I say after you said that? "I had promised you the other ninja by atleast day 5, Remember?" and you responded, "Guess I forgot." By the time I spoke to BC he already knew your role. Anyway...Gonna add a vote for South onto it. Mafia, if Misder and South are mafia, you might as well resign. | ||
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On August 17 2010 04:19 SouthRawrea wrote: Btw even though I know we've already got Misder, I'd just like to say that he thought earlier in the thread that I was village. Now he's voting for me? Clearly a futile attempt at moving a vote off him while trying to sheep along with town but yeah no one change your votes off either of us please. So instead of posting more suspects you try and defend yourself? -____- Best defense is a good offense. Anyway...Do you suppose Bill is lying about checking you red? | ||
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On August 17 2010 09:22 Bill Murray wrote: i wont die if BC is the godfather i bet i dont die how much do you have on paypal foolishness? If you do die, the other ninja leaves the game and we lynch BC the next day. Are you simple? -___- Also that would mean BC would of sold out Misder. AND THEN NEXT OFF, you've done told me the role blocker...I just gotta send a few pms, or start a lynch wagon. I'm on, if you're on, please post. We need to know NOW | ||
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YOU MAKE THE DECISION NOW. ASK XELIN WHO TO VOTE FOR. I have to go. Xelin is against this plan cuz BM could of lied. But I believe it because he said it before going ape shit insane. PLZ....if South is town, Roleblocker lives and mafia has two kp. If we lynch hatter, role blocker dies and mafia has one KP. YOU DECIDE | ||
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He has made a claim that is easily proveable but refuses to prove. He will not respond to PMs. He refuses to cooperate or even post. He is easily argued as an inactive mafia. Look at his vote history? He is voting foolishness right now. Why?! What is the point there? He made a triple claim that can't be trusted. Even if he is town his death will help us more than Souths. please everyone, move over to KF91. | ||
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BM's a....I'll save that for my post game. And also IMPORTANT KF91, PM ME OR XELIN IMMEDIATELY. If you can't reach us, PM Rastaban, Pm Amber, Everything you've done since night one as per night actions. You would be giving us one mafia guaranteed. Depending on deaths in the morning, Pyrr should be lynched, and infundibilum. I'm done for the evening. Publically, My track target is Pyrr. I will be pming out other targets. | ||
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On August 17 2010 13:34 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Yes, I really bussed Misder and Bumatlarge. Especially bumatlarge when I built most of the case for him after BC gave me a list of three that I could go after, including SR who flipped green. We'll see if ~OpZ~ changes his tune after tonights actions finish up. I imagine he's confirmed so I'm not going to FoS him but whatevs. I get that you seem to buy everyone's blue claim but you're nuts if you don't think the mafia have made at least one. So if the list of unconfirmed people is down to infundibulum and I and there are three mafia left... well you have 2 confirmed innocents who are actually mafia. So then we need to look into: Is Foolishness GF posing as veteran? Is BrownBear GF posing as hatter? Has he only been checked by tracking? If yes, perhaps he is roleblocker. Is KF91 really a hatter? If he doesn't trust Xelin at this point we might as well lynch him. Lol...Your ignorance is hilarious. i don't buy everyones blue claim. But a few people proved theres. And lots were actually tracked. So unless their are multi framers!! xD Funny because you don't know the claimed roles. One person claimed DT. He was mafia. Flame made the role list this game interesting. So the roles are pretty damn believable. | ||
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On August 17 2010 13:34 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Yes, I really bussed Misder and Bumatlarge. Especially bumatlarge when I built most of the case for him after BC gave me a list of three that I could go after, including SR who flipped green. We'll see if ~OpZ~ changes his tune after tonights actions finish up. I imagine he's confirmed so I'm not going to FoS him but whatevs. I get that you seem to buy everyone's blue claim but you're nuts if you don't think the mafia have made at least one. So if the list of unconfirmed people is down to infundibulum and I and there are three mafia left... well you have 2 confirmed innocents who are actually mafia. So then we need to look into: Is Foolishness GF posing as veteran? Is BrownBear GF posing as hatter? Has he only been checked by tracking? If yes, perhaps he is roleblocker. Is KF91 really a hatter? If he doesn't trust Xelin at this point we might as well lynch him. Honestly...I'm fine with lynching KF91, and BrownBear.....if their bombs are who they claim they are on then....Well...everyone that didn't claim blue dies. And also, if he was role blocker, the target he visited would be...Oh I don't know...Role blocked? hahahahaha | ||
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On August 18 2010 08:12 ~OpZ~ wrote: youngminii is the role blocker anyway...he dies tomorrow. Scratch that. Let's just wait til tomorrow....and settle whos who. | ||
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On August 18 2010 11:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I sent that pm to save kf91 to opz and xelin that you sent me actually haha BrownBear and KF91 were actually the next lynch candidates in me and xelins book. We had KF91's bombs on two mafia we figured, and BrownBear's on another. Little did we know BrownBear was GF (Thought pandain checked him for the longest at any rate). But we wanted to end the game a day early by using our hatters...Lol | ||
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On August 18 2010 11:57 Amber[LighT] wrote: Nice well played town! Credit is due for LSB's AWESOME PLAN!!! And Xelin for coming through with it after night 1. Opz for being a PIA lol (he knows what he did to me ) I definitely had a lot of fun this game. Glad I got to save two people at least before I died... thanks BM... you're on notice from now on! PIA? And actually I'd have to go through my PM's so plz pm me lol | ||
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On August 18 2010 15:40 flamewheel wrote: Two hatter claims. One has a bomb on two Mafia. KF91 comes forth and says, "I have bombs on these two people (being iNfuNdiBuLuM and youngminii)." Town goes, "Ah, we think at least one of them is Mafia, and it's ludicrous that there are two Mad Hatters in a game." For good measure, they lynch youngminii, or force BrownBear to come forth. BrownBear says the same things about bombs, and if he were the real Mad Hatter it'd be highly expected that he'd have one on youngminii, since he was the one that initially bussed youngminii. Either way, town gets to off a suspicious character. Lynch both the 'Hatters', Godfather flips, youngminii and iNfuNdiBuLuM go up in smoke, and the town cheers as all three Mafia are eliminated. Barring that, ~OpZ~ wanted BrownBear to be lynched anyway since he was a bomber. Did BrownBear tell you I intended both of him and KF91 to be lynched tomorrow? Lol. =D Told him it was time for him to fulfill his role as hatter. xD OHhhhhhhhhhhh AMBER's block on rastaban was his choice, but Rastaban was a priority, along with myself....I wanted to change to KF91 to kill the roleblocker that last day...If we had, mafia would of been forced to GG then, because Amber and Hesmyrr could protect continually down to the end. | ||
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On August 18 2010 20:51 Ace wrote: lmao at Opz's "interrogation" of Amber. hahahaha o god Opz don't ever be a cop in real life. Detective Opz: Why did you steal the cookies? Suspect: I didn't steal the cookies... *chair goes flying against the wall while Opz eyes' start bulging* Detective Opz: YOU CLAIMING YOU WEREN'T HUNGRY BOY!??! I didn't believe one of the med claims.....and I was probably fucked up. Lol. | ||
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I had intended to ask to be removed from this mafia game due to Ace's PYP mafia that he intended to begin and that I would only have time for one mafia game, due to classes beginning this week. The only reason I decided to play was I received my role PM and was tracker. So the game began: And I begin this game just as I begin every mafia game that includes over 20 players: Make one to three posts day one, and AFK the rest of the day. I stay read up on the thread, but there just always seems too much bull shit to follow all of that in a game with 30 players. My first target I decided to track was Pyrr because...well I never trust Pyrr. He ALWAYS seems mafia to me. He also spent a majority of time protecting YoungMinii so he might as well have been. + Show Spoiler + =/ Night One: Xelin was MIA most of the night, and I had to direct most all night actions, besides the medics. I hadn't read the thread due to my new job starting and making me work 10 hours that day, so I get home about an hour before night ends. I had already sent my track in on Pyrr. LSB had sent me (and everyone else) a PM detailing his plan to have everyone visit Xelin. I quickly changed my target to Xelin, receiving a note he visited BM. Day Two: At the same time BM pm's me telling me that he knows I'm a tracker, and he claims he's DT. He threatens to out me publicly if I don't respond, again, I had been afk. Needed sleep. So after getting back on I get with BM (BB had claimed role block.) by this point. So I inform him Xelin visited him, and that I'm going to get from Xelin why he visited BM or out him in public and attempt to get him lynched. Well, BM pm's Xelin too, (No idea why), I pm Xelin, and Darth pm's Xelin. This was how the town circle was formed. Darth and I both had forgotten about the Framer, more on this later. You see, on day one we had found out a lot. Foolishness had given me knowledge that he had a hatter and a tracker (Rastaban). Not to mention Chezinu had already claimed tracker too. Given that Darth was confirmed I of course was suspicious of the other tracker, and told Foolishness not to trust him. Foolishness being a stubborn mule tells the town I'm head of a town circle apparently. Given that I was tracker, I did not like this at all, so I started making Alltell jokes in the thread. At this point me and BrownBear are talking (he had two circles infiltrated?) Good thing I gave him like 0 information besides my own role, and that was well into the game. He was a hatter, he didn't need any information regarding roles. I told him numbers of claims of trackers, but that was because I needed him to place bombs. YM and Rastaban, and BumAtLarge. BumAtLarge was the night two bomb target iirc, which we lynched him the next day. So before Tree.Hugger was popped, BumAtLarge was slated to die. So the connections were unimportant, Bum was just scummy. Also, I'm almost positive I told BrownBear I was receiving CONSTANT medic protection though. My circle had actually discussed BrownBear being GF...but we laughed about it. (Sorry! xD). Me and Darth + Framer: so we kind of messed up there. But I was under the impression we had a contingency plan. If me and an unidentified tracker (the only one who's name wasn't spoken) both died, BrownBear was instructed to place a bomb on Xelin. We couldn't trust Xelin completely until the Framer was dead, but we had decidedly said Xelin was playing completely pro-town and he was the one receiving most Role Pms. But with Tree.Hugger's death, he was Legit. =D By Day One's close we had pretty much every role claim handed to us. Misder claimed late, starting suspicion on him. I told Darth my suspicions of BumAtLarge. He was posting consistently, but the only thing he was saying was that he had faith in the circle. Not offering to help, not saying anything useful, just posting to seem active. YM claimed vig which fucked himself. BB was in good, I just don't say names in PM Land. I'm sure he can attest to this. Lol. Did you mafia get lucky on Darth, or did I actually slip that? Night Two: A lot happened this night, I feel like I'm typing too much. Also, BC claimed Ninja to Darth. Me/Darth were debating on just creating the most epic moment in mafia history and having all three ninjas hit each other night one. Lol. We had all three. It woulda been bad ass. Our plan for night two was simple. Have the two ninja's, and the Vigi claimant off suspicious people. Well YM claimed Vigi (I posted this in thread, and was ignored...) and was told to off roffles. Roffles had been rather quite and uncooperative to the town circle, but YM was hesitant saying he didn't want to waste his only hit. Half the town was about to be confirmed, and YM had the most to prove after almost being lynched. That was why the problem was with 5 Deaths instead of 6. No one but me wanted to pursue it, but new plans came up, and YM stayed in the back of my mind. He was about to be resolved when the Mafia GG'd. BM kept changing his hit, and BC was already set on Tree.Hugger. I forgot who I was pushing BM towards, but eventually BM wanted Tree.Hugger and told me not to tell anyone. I spammed Darth like crazy telling him tell BC to change targets NOW. So BC switched to Divinek, which me and Darth were fine with. We wanted to see if YM could confirm himself. That's why BC kept asking if anyone took a hit on Day three. Will edit in more later, if anyones interested in the long grueling confusing story and terrible writing I'm doing. | ||
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On August 19 2010 02:40 Ace wrote: So my original statement from months ago is correct? BC in a PM setup = broken? Really...I didn't tell BC much in PMs. Me and him only began communicating after Darth died. The only reason I spoke with him was because he was confirmed. Darth was our go between. He gave more advice than actually doing anything. No pressure nothing. If I pm'd him a question, he'd give kind of a more broad interpretation. If I sent him a list of people I suspected, he'd say a little and say let me send it to Pyrr. Lol. I don't think he trusted Pyrr too much himself. @_@ BB almost had me, but he stopped PMing me regularly. He could probably of gotten a bit out of me. I wouldn't release the medics names, even to each other, until Amber proved himself by saving Rastaban. Hesmyrr had been tracked by me and Chezinu to me, so he was legit. Hesmyrr also didn't want to get to into the circle, he generally just spoke with me. I dunno if he ever actually PM'd chezinu back xD.... Sry Hes, I told Chez you were arranged to visit me. Not if it was protect or track, or check, or anything. But I'm sure Chez knew it was protect. And Chezinu...you are insane even in PMs.... | ||
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On August 19 2010 02:34 DarthThienAn wrote: @Opz: Yo your timeline is so confusing lol. Day One? Day Two? Whhaaa. The night I died was the night BM changed his hit a billion times, right? I was told that he was on Pyrr to start out. Then he switched to someone else. Then he switched to Youngminii and I was like "O.o why? But oh well, as long as YM takes his shot." Then he switched to tree.hugger (privately to Opz, but Opz told me). So I told BC about it (without revealing BM's name), so BC hit Divinek instead. @Framer: Like I said, I misinterpreted how tracking on the Framer role went down, and by then, I had already PMed Opz with like, my role and everything because I thought he was 100% town. If Xelin had been framer, with BB on his team, I'm not sure how that would have fared for the town xD. But by then, I was pretty convinced of Xelin's innocence because of the Pandain lynch. Night 2 - KF91 was supposed to bomb someone random (I forget who) but I think he bombed Xelin, lol. BB was supposed to bomb bum, which would have been great if BB hadn't been a fake hatter lol. Pandain, we lynched you for lying too much. You claim ninja, then claim "I'm actually DT/townie." That's fine. But when re-claim "I'm ACTUALLY ninja" with poor interpretation of your PM, I was like, he's definitely not a ninja - lynch him. iirc Xelin or you were the only one against letting BB into the circle. So that's very good. 3 outta 4 of us thought he would be useful, but since one said no I wouldn't pass anything to him other than suspects. Bad thing was the suspects I passed to him, with the exception of Rastaban and Pyrr, were mafia! xD I bet you were tripping like fuck when I pm'd you to put a bomb on BumAtLarge, huh BB? | ||
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