EPTthough I'll be away tomorrow / Wednesday, but it looks like there's still a bit of a ways to go before the game will start.
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though I'll be away tomorrow / Wednesday, but it looks like there's still a bit of a ways to go before the game will start. | ||
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On July 02 2010 07:13 Bill Murray wrote: Veteran - Ya got 2 lives ya dig? Just to clarify, this is only applicable to Mafia kills and not lynches / bombs / etc, correct? | ||
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On July 06 2010 10:28 Qatol wrote: Unless I'm mistaken (read: Bill is changing the rules), it applies to all night hits. It doesn't work on lynches though. Yeah lynches esp. else their role would be revealed to all prematurely. For the others I guess it could go either way, though not sure how it would apply to the Infested Terran, as X went over to Y's house and exploded, but no one was harmed would always imply that X is vet, right? | ||
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@flamewheel: what do you mean? | ||
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On July 02 2010 07:13 Bill Murray wrote: Mad Hatter - You have 2 bombs to place. You may only place one per night. You may choose to move your bombs from player a to player b. You may not have two bombs on the same person. If you are lynched, or killed during the night, your bombs explode. If someone kills one of your targeted players during the night, you regain that bomb, but if they are lynched, you lose that bomb.[b] <-- Floating tag Small detail, but you've got a floating [b] tag after Mad Hatter  | ||
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On July 15 2010 03:22 citi.zen wrote: IT can't kill during the day - it would make them un-lynchable and greatly complicate the lynching/voting process (ex: kill someone 1 minute before the voting deadline). They're only un-lynchable in the sense that if they are going to get lynched they can take someone down with them, and this also presumes the town believes the person claiming to be the IT. It adds an interesting dynamic if you ask me, but I'm not the one running the show. | ||
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On July 15 2010 07:41 Pandain wrote: I'm still a bit confused about this game. Is it a starcraft map? lol.. no. For a general idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(party_game) | ||
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ed: in fact I don't think we've had any new members in the last couple of pages. So let's get this murder mystery started. | ||
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On July 17 2010 07:57 Bill Murray wrote: nice ill send these out right now, then i'm going to bed the 48 hour day cycle starts at 9pm EST, 10 KST, and will last for 48 hours PMing is allowed, and if you have any questions, feel free to direct them to me Excellent | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + The people killed on the first morning are not in the list of 30. On July 17 2010 15:15 Bill Murray wrote: you didn't talk to me on balance, did you? also, permission to edit the hanging or granted. <3 | ||
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On July 17 2010 14:49 SiNiquity wrote: haha wow, I just had this big long post analyzing how we lost 4 people and trying to figure out if the Sheriff was some special role that just wasn't mentioned and wondering whether Ver was really dead or. But then I realized... + Show Spoiler + The people killed on the first morning are not in the list of 30. phew I almost edited that trailing "or" out after dead. That's going to bug me forever now.. *twitch* | ||
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On July 17 2010 14:56 lakrismamma wrote: This is gonna be fun. Gonna go to bed now though will make some comments tomorrow. (I know you are all from the US but its 8 in the morning here =) Just got back from Germany myself =) Weird talking to friends online and being in the same timezone again. I think I will follow your lead though and check up on this tomorrow. | ||
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On July 18 2010 06:08 tree.hugger wrote: So much spam in the first couple pages. Get a hold of yourselves people, you're not witty. Also, our inactive lynches always end up being townies, but every time when we look back at the game, there's always a mafia member or two who was inactive at the beginning, or posted and spammed just enough to clear the inactivity bar. I propose we make a list of FIVE players who are inactive, and then RNG them to determine a lynch candidate. That way we either force mafia into the open, or catch that one newbie mafia who doesn't know how to post properly. At the very least that would make the town's move a little harder to gauge. If you narrow the list down to 3 I'm down with it. If you put it at 5 people and only get 1 mafia correctly on the list, then you've only done just as good as a blind RNG (20%). | ||
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[7] Pyrrhuloxia - Supports DT down the list [5] youngminii - Spammed pg 13 [5] rastaban - Activity List; Lynch Inactive, worried about verifying RNG; DT should go down the list [5] SiNiquity - Almost mistook initial deaths for actual deaths; Lynch: 3 inactives + RNG; This activity list (can't link w/out edit) [4] divinek - Lynch inactives [4] BloodyC0bbler - Good guidelines; Inactive List + RNG, but need method to verify the RNG [3] lakrismamma - Lynch inactives [3] DarthThienAn - Spam [2] xelin - RNG Lynch [2] Amber[LighT] - Inactive until night of July 18th; Plan now, vote later; Lynch inactive [2] ~OpZ~ - Claims Chaoser, Darth, and Infundiblum are mafia; ER + Job interview [+ sarcasm?] [2] roffles - Lynch random person over inactive [2] Jayme - Lynch: Inactive = RNG in accuracy, up for either; Against Inactive List + RNG [1] tree.hugger - Lynch: 5 inactives + RNG [1] chaoser - Lynch inactives [1] bumatlarge - Bitter about Divinek railroading him [1] SouthRawrea - Voted Incognito, aka essentially posted nothing (11 posts total??) [1] Infundibulum - DT should not go down list to do rolechecks [1] d3_crescentia - Against RNG - same chance of landing blue as red [1] zeks - Lynch inactive, DT check active [1] Tricode - Kill least inactive idiot [0] hyperbola [0] brownbear [0] foolishness [0] Subversion [0] LaxerCannon [0] Misder [0] Citi.zen [0] ketomai The above list is a summary of what's happened since the beginning of the game. Post counts are in brackets, though of course don't just use this post, read the thread from the beginning and get a feel for each player. Also, of those that haven't posted since the beginning, those in italics are players who were marked as "posted" under rastaban's activity list. Maybe they haven't gotten around to the thread, or maybe they're trying to fly under the radar having already been marked as "active." If you feel I've characterized anything inaccurately or unjustly, please let me know. Took me about an hour to complete so it's entirely possible. Let nothing go unscrutinized! | ||
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On July 18 2010 08:10 Hyperbola wrote: Hello my fellow Liquadians. I am here and active. Sup. Just posting here not to get killed. Btw SiNiquity is mafia because his last post is just way too long. #### I vote SiNiquity :rolleyes: inactive jumps into the game [after a mafia PM'd him to start posting and get off the inactive list, mm?], says nothing, and votes to kill a contributor. On July 18 2010 09:59 youngminii wrote: Okay so everyone should abstain imo. If you have any objections to this idea, please raise it asap because we need everyone to switch their vote to abstaining. Even one vote = lynch and that will be very suspicious of the person who left their vote by 'accident'. ##Unvote Pyrr ##Vote Abstain I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no? | ||
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On July 18 2010 10:30 Tricode wrote: ##vote abstain Just doing this if I don't make it tomorrow to vote. My dad is spending his last full day at home before he has to leave for a few months for work. Other then that, I do suggest we lynch an inactive. 1.if we keep abstaining cause we are always uncertain of what to do, we will never push to killing and finding a mafia member if we went at that rate. 2. That person who is being inactive is probably useless to us anyways just because they are not doing anything to participate. 3. One of the inactive are likely to be mafia just because there is usually one or two guys that are inactive or just post a little bit just so they can stay alive. Either case, we won't accomplish anything by abstaining, it might even hurt us cause if we keep the option in our head we might use it to much in fear of constantly killing townies/blues and such. So I suggest try keeping abstains as placeholders or if you are truly uncertain in what to do. Otherwise I encourage and highly suggest that we always use our lynches. Agreed. The only thing we can gain from this postponement is additional detective checks, and that's at the cost of 2 mafia hits on us. There's no other information that can be gleaned by waiting. There aren't clues. If I'm missing something then lay it out there. | ||
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On July 18 2010 10:40 youngminii wrote: If we lynch someone on the first day without any good reason there's a solid chance (12/15) that we'll hit a townie. That's 80%. There's also a better chance of lynching a blue than there is of scum. A no lynch is a gift that we should utilize instead of RVS. There's a 27% chance we will hit a blue tonight. The mafia has a 57% chance of hitting a blue on the first night. But if you want a good reason, then I'd consider hyperbola. Not to look petty, but his only contribution is "Hi, I'm active!" In fact, if you search his recent games, he's been inactive in most of them, and the last one he used this to his advantage to fly under the radar as mafia. So he has a history of being inactive. Assuming this continues, he's either an inactive townie or mafia, but either way it works to our advantage to lynch him. | ||
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Day 1 Votes: + Show Spoiler [Voting Record (ordered by votes)] + Pre-game votes: [link] jayme ==> Amber[LighT] [link] DarthThienAn ==> Abstain [link] DarthThienAn ==> d3_crescentia [link] d3_crescentia ==> DarthThienAn [link] citi.zen ==> DarthThienAn [link] rastaban ==> citi.zen Day 1 Votes [link] youngminii ==> Pyrrhuloxia [link] Pandain ==> Incognito [link] SouthRawrea ==> Incognito (edited to Abstain few hours later) [link] ~OpZ~ ==> Chaoser [link] BloodyC0bbler ==> Abstain [link] bumatlarge ==> Divinek [link] Pandain ==> BloodyC0bbler [link] Hyperbola ==> SiNiquity [link] LaXerCannon ==> Abstain [link] youngminii ==> Abstain [link] Divinek ==> Abstain [link] Tricode ==> Abstain [link] Misder ==> Hyperbola [link] Divinek ==> Hyperbola [link] Pandain ==> Hyperbola [link] Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain [link] Zeks ==> Hyperbola [link] SiNiquity ==> Hyperbola [link] Roffles ==> Abstain [link] tree.hugger ==> LaXerCannon [link] Foolishness ==> Abstain [link] Lakrismamma ==> LaXerCannon [link] Lakrismamma ==> Subversion [link] BloodyC0bbler ==> Pandain [link] ~OpZ~ ==> BloodyC0bbler [link] Pyrrhuloxia ==> DarthThienAn [link] XeliN ==> Brownbear [link] iNfuNdiBuLuM ==> youngminii [link] youngminii ==> iNfuNdiBuLuM [link] citi.zen ==> ketomai [link] XeliN ==> youngminii [link] chaoser ==> Abstain [link] Amber[LighT] ==> Abstain [link] tree.hugger ==> DarthThienAn [link] Amber[LighT] ==> youngminii [link] Roffles ==> youngminii [link] lakrismamma ==> ketomai [link] DarthThienAn ==> Amber[LighT] [link] bumatlarge ==> Hyperbola [link] BrownBear ==> Hyperbola [link] Protactinium ==> Abstain [link] Jayme ==> youngminii [link] Foolishness ==> BloodyC0bbler [link] Misder ==> LaXerCannon [link] zeks ==> Abstain [link] Subversion ==> Hyperbola + Show Spoiler [Voting Record (ordered by player)] + jayme ==> Amber[LighT] ==> youngminii DarthThienAn ==> Abstain ==> d3_crescentia ==> Amber[LighT] d3_crescentia ==> DarthThienAn citi.zen ==> DarthThienAn ==> ketomai rastaban ==> citi.zen youngminii ==> Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain ==> iNfuNdiBuLuM Pandain ==> Incognito ==> BloodyC0bbler ==> Hyperbola SouthRawrea ==> Incognito/Abstain ~OpZ~ ==> Chaoser ==> BloodyC0bbler BloodyC0bbler ==> Abstain ==> Pandain bumatlarge ==> Divinek ==> Hyperbola Hyperbola ==> SiNiquity LaXerCannon ==> Abstain Divinek ==> Abstain ==> Hyperbola Tricode ==> Abstain Misder ==> Hyperbola ==> LaXerCannon Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain ==> DarthThienAn Zeks ==> Hyperbola ==> Abstain SiNiquity ==> Hyperbola Roffles ==> Abstain ==> youngminii tree.hugger ==> LaXerCannon ==> DarthThienAn Foolishness ==> Abstain ==> BloodyC0bbler Lakrismamma ==> LaXerCannon ==> Subversion ==> ketomai XeliN ==> Brownbear ==> youngminii iNfuNdiBuLuM ==> youngminii chaoser ==> Abstain Amber[LighT] ==> Abstain ==> youngminii BrownBear ==> Hyperbola Protactinium ==> Abstain Subversion ==> Hyperbola Comments: + Show Spoiler [Look at the data yourself first] + Few things that jumped out at me:
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+ Show Spoiler [On July 20 2010 06:21 LaXerCannon wrote] + Anyway, for the lazy here's the voting stuff: Jayme -> Amber[light] Pandain -> Pandain (abstain) DTA -> Abstain -> d3_crescentia d3_crescentia -> DTA DTA -> Unabstain citi.zen -> DTA rastaban -> citi.zen youngminii -> Pyrrhuloxia Pandain -> Incognito [what? he's not playing] SouthRawrea -> Abstain ~OpZ~ -> Chaoser BloodyC0bbler -> Abstain bumatlarge -> Divinek Pandain -> BloodyC0bbler LaXercannon -> Abstain Youngminii -> Abstain Divinek -> Abstain Tricode -> Abstain Misder -> Hyperbola Divinek -> Hyperbola Pandain -> Pandain Should be Hyperbola Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain zeks -> Hyperbola SiNiquity -> Hyperbola Roffles -> Abstain tree.hugger ->LaXercannon Foolishness -> Abstain lakrismamma -> LaXercannon lakrismamma -> Subversion BloodyC0bbler -> Pandain ~OpZ~ -> BloodyC0bbler Pyrrhuloxia -> DTA XeliN -> Brownbear iNfuNdiBuLuM -> youngminii youngminii -> iNfuNdiBuLuM citi.zen -> ketomai XeliN -> youngminii chaoser -> abstain Amber[LighT] -> abstain treehugger -> DTA Amber[LighT] -> youngminii Roffles -> youngminii lakrismamma -> ketomai DTA -> Amber[LighT] bumatlarge -> Hyperbola BrownBear -> Hyperbola Jayme -> Youngminii Foolishness -> BloodyC0bbler Misder -> LaXerCannon zeks -> Hyperbola Should be abstain Subversion -> Hyperbola I tried to make this look nice for a couple hours but this is probably the cleanest I can get it. Analysis on this coming up later Couple of mistakes in there (double checked w/ my links)... | ||
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On July 20 2010 06:27 SiNiquity wrote: Sorry for my absence yesterday - visiting relatives (on my anniversary no less, though we celebrated last month prematurely while we were in Europe) went wayy longer than I thought. Went to bed thinking we weren't allowed to talk - glad BM changed his mind. Day 1 Votes: + Show Spoiler [Voting Record (ordered by votes)] + Pre-game votes: [link] jayme ==> Amber[LighT] [link] DarthThienAn ==> Abstain [link] DarthThienAn ==> d3_crescentia [link] d3_crescentia ==> DarthThienAn [link] citi.zen ==> DarthThienAn [link] rastaban ==> citi.zen Day 1 Votes [link] youngminii ==> Pyrrhuloxia [link] Pandain ==> Incognito [link] SouthRawrea ==> Incognito (edited to Abstain few hours later) [link] ~OpZ~ ==> Chaoser [link] BloodyC0bbler ==> Abstain [link] bumatlarge ==> Divinek [link] Pandain ==> BloodyC0bbler [link] Hyperbola ==> SiNiquity [link] LaXerCannon ==> Abstain [link] youngminii ==> Abstain [link] Divinek ==> Abstain [link] Tricode ==> Abstain [link] Misder ==> Hyperbola [link] Divinek ==> Hyperbola [link] Pandain ==> Hyperbola [link] Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain [link] Zeks ==> Hyperbola [link] SiNiquity ==> Hyperbola [link] Roffles ==> Abstain [link] tree.hugger ==> LaXerCannon [link] Foolishness ==> Abstain [link] Lakrismamma ==> LaXerCannon [link] Lakrismamma ==> Subversion [link] BloodyC0bbler ==> Pandain [link] ~OpZ~ ==> BloodyC0bbler [link] Pyrrhuloxia ==> DarthThienAn [link] XeliN ==> Brownbear [link] iNfuNdiBuLuM ==> youngminii [link] youngminii ==> iNfuNdiBuLuM [link] citi.zen ==> ketomai [link] XeliN ==> youngminii [link] chaoser ==> Abstain [link] Amber[LighT] ==> Abstain [link] tree.hugger ==> DarthThienAn [link] Amber[LighT] ==> youngminii [link] Roffles ==> youngminii [link] lakrismamma ==> ketomai [link] DarthThienAn ==> Amber[LighT] [link] bumatlarge ==> Hyperbola [link] BrownBear ==> Hyperbola [link] Protactinium ==> Abstain [link] Jayme ==> youngminii [link] Foolishness ==> BloodyC0bbler [link] Misder ==> LaXerCannon [link] zeks ==> Abstain [link] Subversion ==> Hyperbola + Show Spoiler [Voting Record (ordered by player)] + jayme ==> Amber[LighT] ==> youngminii DarthThienAn ==> Abstain ==> d3_crescentia ==> Amber[LighT] d3_crescentia ==> DarthThienAn citi.zen ==> DarthThienAn ==> ketomai rastaban ==> citi.zen youngminii ==> Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain ==> iNfuNdiBuLuM Pandain ==> Incognito ==> BloodyC0bbler ==> Hyperbola SouthRawrea ==> Incognito/Abstain ~OpZ~ ==> Chaoser ==> BloodyC0bbler BloodyC0bbler ==> Abstain ==> Pandain bumatlarge ==> Divinek ==> Hyperbola Hyperbola ==> SiNiquity LaXerCannon ==> Abstain Divinek ==> Abstain ==> Hyperbola Tricode ==> Abstain Misder ==> Hyperbola ==> LaXerCannon Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain ==> DarthThienAn Zeks ==> Hyperbola ==> Abstain SiNiquity ==> Hyperbola Roffles ==> Abstain ==> youngminii tree.hugger ==> LaXerCannon ==> DarthThienAn Foolishness ==> Abstain ==> BloodyC0bbler Lakrismamma ==> LaXerCannon ==> Subversion ==> ketomai XeliN ==> Brownbear ==> youngminii iNfuNdiBuLuM ==> youngminii chaoser ==> Abstain Amber[LighT] ==> Abstain ==> youngminii BrownBear ==> Hyperbola Protactinium ==> Abstain Subversion ==> Hyperbola Comments: + Show Spoiler [Look at the data yourself first] + Few things that jumped out at me:
wtf, how much more organized can you get than this?  Only thing missing is fixed-formatting which TL doesn't have AFAIK | ||
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Day 1 Votes: + Show Spoiler [Voting Record (ordered by votes)] + Pre-game votes: [July 17 2010 11:23] jayme ==> Amber[LighT] [July 17 2010 11:47] DarthThienAn ==> Abstain [July 17 2010 12:03] DarthThienAn ==> d3_crescentia [July 17 2010 12:04] d3_crescentia ==> DarthThienAn [July 17 2010 12:24] citi.zen ==> DarthThienAn [July 17 2010 12:33] rastaban ==> citi.zen Day 1 Votes [July 17 2010 14:43] youngminii ==> Pyrrhuloxia [July 17 2010 15:22] Pandain ==> Incognito [July 17 2010 22:57] SouthRawrea ==> Incognito (edited to Abstain few hours later) [July 18 2010 03:47] ~OpZ~ ==> Chaoser [July 18 2010 05:25] BloodyC0bbler ==> Abstain [July 18 2010 05:29] bumatlarge ==> Divinek [July 18 2010 08:07] Pandain ==> BloodyC0bbler [July 18 2010 08:10] Hyperbola ==> SiNiquity [July 18 2010 09:33] LaXerCannon ==> Abstain [July 18 2010 09:59] youngminii ==> Abstain [July 18 2010 10:18] Divinek ==> Abstain [July 18 2010 10:30] Tricode ==> Abstain [July 18 2010 10:43] Misder ==> Hyperbola [July 18 2010 10:51] Divinek ==> Hyperbola [July 18 2010 10:56] Pandain ==> Hyperbola [July 18 2010 11:15] Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain [July 18 2010 11:22] Zeks ==> Hyperbola [July 18 2010 11:37] SiNiquity ==> Hyperbola [July 18 2010 11:37] Roffles ==> Abstain [July 18 2010 12:30] tree.hugger ==> LaXerCannon [July 18 2010 13:16] Foolishness ==> Abstain [July 18 2010 15:25] Lakrismamma ==> LaXerCannon [July 18 2010 15:39] Lakrismamma ==> Subversion [July 18 2010 16:02] BloodyC0bbler ==> Pandain [July 18 2010 16:13] ~OpZ~ ==> BloodyC0bbler [July 18 2010 17:34] Pyrrhuloxia ==> DarthThienAn [July 18 2010 20:04] XeliN ==> Brownbear [July 18 2010 20:52] iNfuNdiBuLuM ==> youngminii [July 18 2010 21:47] youngminii ==> iNfuNdiBuLuM [July 18 2010 23:13] citi.zen ==> ketomai [July 18 2010 23:49] XeliN ==> youngminii [July 19 2010 00:50] chaoser ==> Abstain [July 19 2010 00:53] Amber[LighT] ==> Abstain [July 19 2010 01:15] tree.hugger ==> DarthThienAn [July 19 2010 01:34] Amber[LighT] ==> youngminii [July 19 2010 02:07] Roffles ==> youngminii [July 19 2010 03:46] lakrismamma ==> ketomai [July 19 2010 05:10] DarthThienAn ==> Amber[LighT] [July 19 2010 05:27] bumatlarge ==> Hyperbola [July 19 2010 06:30] BrownBear ==> Hyperbola [July 19 2010 07:15] Protactinium ==> Abstain [July 19 2010 07:53] Jayme ==> youngminii [July 19 2010 08:25] Foolishness ==> BloodyC0bbler [July 19 2010 08:38] Misder ==> LaXerCannon [July 19 2010 08:58] zeks ==> Abstain [July 19 2010 09:16] Subversion ==> Hyperbola -- Day 1 Ends: July 19 2010 10:02 -- As a note, nothing changed here, but this set is ordered by whoever cast their initial vote first: + Show Spoiler [Voting Record (ordered by player)] + jayme ==> Amber[LighT] ==> youngminii DarthThienAn ==> Abstain ==> d3_crescentia ==> Amber[LighT] d3_crescentia ==> DarthThienAn citi.zen ==> DarthThienAn ==> ketomai rastaban ==> citi.zen youngminii ==> Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain ==> iNfuNdiBuLuM Pandain ==> Incognito ==> BloodyC0bbler ==> Hyperbola SouthRawrea ==> Incognito/Abstain ~OpZ~ ==> Chaoser ==> BloodyC0bbler BloodyC0bbler ==> Abstain ==> Pandain bumatlarge ==> Divinek ==> Hyperbola Hyperbola ==> SiNiquity LaXerCannon ==> Abstain Divinek ==> Abstain ==> Hyperbola Tricode ==> Abstain Misder ==> Hyperbola ==> LaXerCannon Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain ==> DarthThienAn Zeks ==> Hyperbola ==> Abstain SiNiquity ==> Hyperbola Roffles ==> Abstain ==> youngminii tree.hugger ==> LaXerCannon ==> DarthThienAn Foolishness ==> Abstain ==> BloodyC0bbler Lakrismamma ==> LaXerCannon ==> Subversion ==> ketomai XeliN ==> Brownbear ==> youngminii iNfuNdiBuLuM ==> youngminii chaoser ==> Abstain Amber[LighT] ==> Abstain ==> youngminii BrownBear ==> Hyperbola Protactinium ==> Abstain Subversion ==> Hyperbola | ||
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No, that's what I was saying. The final vote count was 6-5. BM miscounted (attributed Jaymee's vote to Amber instead of youngminii) | ||
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Is a general timeframe known for the wedding, or still working the details out? | ||
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On July 21 2010 10:21 Pandain wrote: Also, at the time Subversion voted, if he had been following up to that point he should have thought it was 4-3 (Hyperbola-Youngmini.) Two people had just unvoted Hyperbola,(neither of them changed their vote to youngmini.) It turns out BM had miscounted the votes(As far as I am aware), but if Subversion had not known that, his vote would have just made it a tie, not have been the deciding factor. Another thing; If the Mafia HAD been aware of BM's miscalculation, and Subversion IS part of the mafia, than perhaps the mafia did do this to save Youngmini. So the question comes down to whether the mafia was aware or not. I tried explaining this earlier but did a piss poor job. In short, BM's miscalculation was only after the day was over. BM had a vote tally before that, but Jaymee (the vote that was miscounted) voted after that tally. So if the Mafia had their own internal tally going (not entirely unlikely - quick PM saying "holy shit it's 5-5"), they could have realized it was 5-5 and pushed it one way or the other. It could also be a coincidence and the Mafia are sitting back laughing at their fortunate circumstances. | ||
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<voting> --Final tally (6-4)-- [incorrect, should be 6-5] ^ crappy diagram of what happened. But honestly I feel at this point it's a sidetrack only serving to derail the discussion. | ||
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Ok, so BM posts: On July 19 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote: Vote Count: 6] Hyperbola (Misder, Divinek, Pandain, Zeks, SiNiquity, bumatlarge) 3] YoungMinii (XeliN, Amber[LighT, Roffles) But Infundibulum was the first to vote for youngminii. So his vote was missed. At this point it was actually 6 - 4. This is what follows: On July 19 2010 06:30 BrownBear wrote: ###Vote: Hyperbola 7 - 4 On July 19 2010 07:53 Jayme wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Youngminii 7 - 5 On July 19 2010 08:38 Misder wrote: ##Unvote: Hyperbola Vote: LaXerCannon 6 - 5 On July 19 2010 08:58 zeks wrote: ##unvote hyperbola ##abstain 5 - 5 On July 19 2010 09:16 Subversion wrote: ##Vote: Hyperbola 6 - 5 BM then doesn't count Jaymee's vote in the final tally for youngminii, quoting 6 - 4. | ||
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##Abstain for now, but it won't be there come lynching time. So much to sift through | ||
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On July 22 2010 09:00 tree.hugger wrote: 1) Subversion voted at the last minute to lynch someone who's bandwagon was pathetic from the start, and really had nothing behind it. But the real significance of that vote, was that it saved someone else (youngminii). We didn't know about it at the time, because BM's count was off, but the mafia (assuming for a moment that youngminii is red) would clearly have a much more accurate count. They might've assumed that BM's vote count would be a cover, but at any rate they needed to make sure to save their own member. And he had a reasonable explanation (panic'ed, got mod-killed in his first game for not voting on time, so he hurriedly voted since he didn't want to abstain). At the beginning of this day I would have been in complete agreement, but I'm leaning more and more towards it being a freak coincidence at this point. Much like I'm sure there will be some last minute vote for this lynching and whoever cast it will get dragged through the mud, justly or not. 2) Subversion's post, in which he commented on how well the mafia were doing was (a) not true, and (b) something that I don't think I've ever heard anyone innocent ever say in a game of mafia. That's something I can see a new mafia member thinking a townie would say, but that's not something a townie would actually say. This is a really weak argument (notably in 2nd position). If one is having trouble identifying mafia members to lynch, then it follows that the mafia are playing well. Furthermore, lynching Subversion just makes plain sense from a town perspective. A whole host of people have put their reputations on the line to save Subversion. Nobody has said anything in chaoser's defense. Nobody has said anything in DTA's defense. They've been left to defend themselves, and, apparently to some people that looks guilty. Because Subversion appears innocent, the others not so much. Expert mafia cover? Perhaps. What does that mean? Aside from being absurdly suspicious, if we lynch Subversion, then we gain a ton of information. If Subversion flips red, then we catch youngminii right off the bat. citi.zen has been defending Subversion nearly every post he gets, albeit a little more subtlety. Almost everyone in the game is on record saying something about Subversion, which means that if we lynch him, we get to figure out who was right, and who was wrong and proceed from there. None of the other lynch candidates are even close to as valuable as Subversion. If we lose another day lynching people who aren't mafia, then we're going to be in trouble. This entire paragraph runs on the assumption that Subversion is red. If he flips green, then what? All the people defending him this round are justified, and those that voted for him can claim that they were justified through reasoning such as yours and we're nowhere again. | ||
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On July 22 2010 08:52 chaoser wrote: 8] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, chaoser, LaXerCannon, rastaban) 9] chaoser (DarthThienAn, youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, lakrismamma, citi.zen, BrownBear, Divinek) 6] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, jayme, Amber[LighT], Pandain) 3] Brownbear (Divinek, tricode, ~opz~) 1] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler) Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum, rastaban) not voting: everyone voted! double lynch: (1/15) iNfuNdiBuLuM day ends in under 5 1/2 hours think that's the vote, modified BM's to be more recent, well good bye town, take note of last minute votes on me[/QUOTE] Just a quick note, you've got DTA in there twice. | ||
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## Unvote Abstain ## Vote Chaoser I could be a total sucker, but I believe Subversion, and Chaoser reminded me of pre-post-edit? Annnd apparently I walk away from computers and forget to hit post. -_- | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:09 Pandain wrote: Haha! Holy shit. Mine WAS the deciding factor. Na would've been 9-9 if you voted Chaoser, and DTA had more votes first. Still close tho. Anxious to see the flip. | ||
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On July 23 2010 08:45 chaoser wrote: fuck it, I give up with the vote list, I checked three times and the numbers aren't working out over about 20-25 pages. I'll just post what I have and examine it. lol yea I feel your pain. BM's vote count on page 6x (x = 1, 2, .. etc) is accurate. So was yours on like page 50, but the rest are all bad. | ||
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On July 23 2010 14:48 chaoser wrote: I do however know that a Vigi hit SOMEONE tonight. That Vigi should claim since they are regular townie now and say who they hit and why. Mafia doesn't gain anything from them claiming, I think. Also, if it's a false claim, real Vigi can always claim as well and then we have a 1 v 1. Either way, one mafia is dying if they fake claim. I'm also going to go to sleep but I feel I have enough evidence to compile a case against someone by tomorrow morning Despite my voting for you yesterday, this actually seems like a solid plan. Am I missing some clever loophole? | ||
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On July 23 2010 15:16 Subversion wrote: what scenario happened that there were 3 hits? Roffles died, Jayme died, and BloodyC0bbler is claiming he was hit last night. Only way to get additional night hits are Vigilante, Mad Hatter, or Infested Terran. Since the last two roles require the initiator's death (and no Mad Hatter / IT has died), the only possible scenario is that a Vigilante sent out a shot last night (not necessarily on BC, that could've been Mafia). | ||
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Yeah I realized this just as I was typing my reply to Subversion Die Chaoser. | ||
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On July 02 2010 07:57 Bill Murray wrote: Mafia KP: 2 (until they have under 1.5 when divided by 2) | ||
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On July 23 2010 15:27 d3_crescentia wrote: I actually disagree here. If 2 scum step up and counterclaim it exposes them in the open under public scrutiny. We can lynch the first claimant (the one who fired the shot) and see if he told the truth. Then we can have the other two shoot each other during the night with their vigi shots. If neither of them dies then we know they're both lying. Also, it seems like an incredibly BAD idea for a townie to claim vigi at all, period. What will be more likely is that the vigi will claim, no one will contest and the mafia will take out the vigi during the night to prevent any new information from being introduced into the game. If BC is lying, then there were only 2 hits last night. If there were only 2 hits last night, then no Vigilante fired a shot (unless Mafia stacked, but this seems highly unlikely). Therefore when we call for a Vigilante to claim, some Mafia could claim it worry-free, since no one else could claim it. Worse yet, this Mafia member that claimed could be Godfather and have picked the Vigilante role, so there's no way to know there either (or BC is GF under the guise of a Veteran). Thus both the claiming Vigilante and BC would need to be checked. If neither were Mafia, only then would we know for sure. | ||
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On July 23 2010 15:32 d3_crescentia wrote: Think so. Problem is that Roffles isn't around to contest it. But, as I said, if the vigi stepped up and said something it could drastically drop down BC's chances of being mafia, if we confirmed the vig by lynch. I realize this would be super-unhappy-times for the vig. =[ Why would it be bad for a vigilante who's already used their night hit to claim? They're essentially a townie at this point.. I guess it gives Mafia a little bit of info about who's who (so they know not to waste a hit on that player if they're blue-hunting). But isn't this outweighed by the benefit of knowing BC's claim for sure (again after DT checks). It seems like a bold move for Mafia to fake-claim the vigilante hit, as doing so means they're feeding 2 members to a town that hasn't caught a single one yet (tho hopefully today'll be different). | ||
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But there's gotta be some other catch I'm missing. Or maybe I'm just wary of people roleclaiming in general which is why I'm getting that "vibe" from this plan. | ||
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On July 23 2010 15:47 Divinek wrote: well the only negative side effect would be the mafia knows he's exactly a townie | ||
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On July 23 2010 15:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As a general note as something I recommended yesterday. If a dt uses a rng to check someone where the rng in this case could be used twice, once for player once for day to use it. A dt could safely check you for surviving a hit day 2, and me day 3. IT gives the dt options to safely check without the fear of the bomber. The remaining medic should only claim to someone he protected once he knows for sure it was a mafia hit he blocked and not a vig one. Mmm interesting. So even if the remaining medic did protect you, they shouldn't claim to you because [in theory] you could be Mafia protected from a Vigi hit. | ||
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On July 24 2010 01:38 citi.zen wrote: It does confirm that either Tricode and BC are both red, or Triode is innocent. So it tells us more about Tricode than about BC at this time. True. Though if Tricode were Mafia, it would give us 2 Mafia members immediately, which would be a wealth of information for us. It would be one hell of a Mafia gamble to fake all of this, as they would have to bank on us not lynching Tricode. | ||
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On July 24 2010 04:40 chaoser wrote: I just realized, if they both really were mafia, wouldn't Tricode WANT to claim he hit Jayme or Roffles? That leads us to the assumption that BC got hit by mafia-->he is to be trusted. In this way, they can both lie and get away with it and gain an advantage? If Tricode claimed to hit Jayme or Roffles, then we'd first have to verify Tricode before BC could be verified. If Tricode really is Mafia, then claiming to hit BC is smart because we gain nothing by lynch-verifying him under the pretense that he's not Mafia. In short, claiming to not hit BC but rather Roffles or Jayme gives us an incentive to lynch him, because we gain something from his death (BC's innocence). | ||
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On July 24 2010 04:49 tree.hugger wrote: Actually, you're absolutely right. Tricode is confirmed as town. But BC still is the same. At this point, I advocate a mass roleclaim to Tricode. He can then tell the town how many of each blue role claimed, and build a circle. DO NOT MASS ROLECLAIM TO TRICODE | ||
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Just in case someone missed it at the bottom of page 86. Tree.Hugger's logic is flawed, the flaws have been identified, stop pushing for it until he has been 100% cleared (which, at this point, he has not). DO NOT MASS ROLECLAIM TO TRICODE. | ||
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On July 24 2010 05:10 tree.hugger wrote: The absense of a counter-claim establishes: A: There was a vigi hit and It was performed by Tricode OR B: Tricode and BC are on the same team. Because there has not been a counter-claim, and because Tricode chose the sub-optimal hit target, (if he had been mafia) then we can assume that Option A is correct. The flaw in your logic is that choosing to claim the "sub-optimal hit target" (i.e. BloodyC0bbler) ==> Tricode is innocent. As I explained above, claiming BloodyC0bbler is not sub-optimal for Mafia. I will demonstrate my argument again. Suppose Tricode had instead chosen to claim Jayme or Roffles, the "optimal hit target." If Tricode is telling the truth, then the Mafia attempted to hit BloodyC0bbler, but was instead protected (medic / veteran life). If Tricode is lying (i.e. is Mafia), then Tricode did not put out an extra hit, and barring anyone else coming forward, BC is also lying. Therefore, Tricode's death will either condemn BC or exonerate him. Thus the town has an incentive to lynch Tricode, as there are concrete, indisputable implications which will result from it! Compared to claiming BloodyC0bbler, where lynching Tricode only yields definitive information about BC in the case that he was lying, there is now a disincentive to lynch Tricode (the possibility that he's telling the truth, thereby revealing, "well yep he was telling the truth, but BC is still unknown.") | ||
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On July 24 2010 06:48 tree.hugger wrote: I'm not concerned about lynching Tricode, I want to establish his innocence. And once again, in the absence of a counter-claim, Tricode MUST be innocent, unless both him and BC are lying. And again, I think it's self evident that the mafia would rather have made BC look like a confirmed townie, than Tricode. I agree that either Tricode is innocent or both BC and Tricode are lying. But there's nothing "self-evident" about what the Mafia "would rather have done," as this will just go down the WIFOM rabbit hole. You may have your hunches, but nothing conclusive can be drawn, and that's my problem with mass roleclaiming to Tricode. He is not conclusively innocent. Just like d3 is not conclusively innocent (Mafia could've put 2 hits on Foolishness), and it's why we didn't mass roleclaim to him Day 2. | ||
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I also think that d3 is innocent as well. But sadly neither are conclusive, and we should be wary of roleclaiming based on hunches. | ||
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As for the citi.zen thing, I am again wary of any roleclaiming. However in theory, both town KP roles are now known, so if someone's lying then a true KP (vigi/hatter) would know and could say so. This takes both time and assumes they're checking the thread regularly (ex: already stated that a replacement is needed for LaXer, so perhaps he's the other KP and just hasn't read the thread). This may have already been brought up as I'm not 100% to to speed on the debate, just throwing my $0.02 in before I head to bed (wedding tomorrow, will not be very active). + Show Spoiler [My response to BloodyC0bbler] + On July 24 2010 13:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Here is the behemoth of a post. It is a shit ton of collection of posts of at this point, only five users. Sinquity, Infundibulum, Southrawrea, bumatlarge, youngminii. This is extremely long, and god knows insanely tedious. Sinquity + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2010 07:51 SiNiquity wrote: [8] pandain - Voted Incognito; How do we know who's mafia?; Spam [7] Pyrrhuloxia - Supports DT down the list [5] youngminii - Spammed pg 13 [5] rastaban - Activity List; Lynch Inactive, worried about verifying RNG; DT should go down the list [5] SiNiquity - Almost mistook initial deaths for actual deaths; Lynch: 3 inactives + RNG; This activity list (can't link w/out edit) [4] divinek - Lynch inactives [4] BloodyC0bbler - Good guidelines; Inactive List + RNG, but need method to verify the RNG [3] lakrismamma - Lynch inactives [3] DarthThienAn - Spam [2] xelin - RNG Lynch [2] Amber[LighT] - Inactive until night of July 18th; Plan now, vote later; Lynch inactive [2] ~OpZ~ - Claims Chaoser, Darth, and Infundiblum are mafia; ER + Job interview [+ sarcasm?] [2] roffles - Lynch random person over inactive [2] Jayme - Lynch: Inactive = RNG in accuracy, up for either; Against Inactive List + RNG [1] tree.hugger - Lynch: 5 inactives + RNG [1] chaoser - Lynch inactives [1] bumatlarge - Bitter about Divinek railroading him [1] SouthRawrea - Voted Incognito, aka essentially posted nothing (11 posts total??) [1] Infundibulum - DT should not go down list to do rolechecks [1] d3_crescentia - Against RNG - same chance of landing blue as red [1] zeks - Lynch inactive, DT check active [1] Tricode - Kill least inactive idiot [0] hyperbola [0] brownbear [0] foolishness [0] Subversion [0] LaxerCannon [0] Misder [0] Citi.zen [0] ketomai The above list is a summary of what's happened since the beginning of the game. Post counts are in brackets, though of course don't just use this post, read the thread from the beginning and get a feel for each player. Also, of those that haven't posted since the beginning, those in italics are players who were marked as "posted" under rastaban's activity list. Maybe they haven't gotten around to the thread, or maybe they're trying to fly under the radar having already been marked as "active." If you feel I've characterized anything inaccurately or unjustly, please let me know. Took me about an hour to complete so it's entirely possible. Let nothing go unscrutinized! On July 20 2010 06:27 SiNiquity wrote: Sorry for my absence yesterday - visiting relatives (on my anniversary no less, though we celebrated last month prematurely while we were in Europe) went wayy longer than I thought. Went to bed thinking we weren't allowed to talk - glad BM changed his mind. Day 1 Votes: + Show Spoiler [Voting Record (ordered by votes)] + Pre-game votes: [link] jayme ==> Amber[LighT] [link] DarthThienAn ==> Abstain [link] DarthThienAn ==> d3_crescentia [link] d3_crescentia ==> DarthThienAn [link] citi.zen ==> DarthThienAn [link] rastaban ==> citi.zen Day 1 Votes [link] youngminii ==> Pyrrhuloxia [link] Pandain ==> Incognito [link] SouthRawrea ==> Incognito (edited to Abstain few hours later) [link] ~OpZ~ ==> Chaoser [link] BloodyC0bbler ==> Abstain [link] bumatlarge ==> Divinek [link] Pandain ==> BloodyC0bbler [link] Hyperbola ==> SiNiquity [link] LaXerCannon ==> Abstain [link] youngminii ==> Abstain [link] Divinek ==> Abstain [link] Tricode ==> Abstain [link] Misder ==> Hyperbola [link] Divinek ==> Hyperbola [link] Pandain ==> Hyperbola [link] Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain [link] Zeks ==> Hyperbola [link] SiNiquity ==> Hyperbola [link] Roffles ==> Abstain [link] tree.hugger ==> LaXerCannon [link] Foolishness ==> Abstain [link] Lakrismamma ==> LaXerCannon [link] Lakrismamma ==> Subversion [link] BloodyC0bbler ==> Pandain [link] ~OpZ~ ==> BloodyC0bbler [link] Pyrrhuloxia ==> DarthThienAn [link] XeliN ==> Brownbear [link] iNfuNdiBuLuM ==> youngminii [link] youngminii ==> iNfuNdiBuLuM [link] citi.zen ==> ketomai [link] XeliN ==> youngminii [link] chaoser ==> Abstain [link] Amber[LighT] ==> Abstain [link] tree.hugger ==> DarthThienAn [link] Amber[LighT] ==> youngminii [link] Roffles ==> youngminii [link] lakrismamma ==> ketomai [link] DarthThienAn ==> Amber[LighT] [link] bumatlarge ==> Hyperbola [link] BrownBear ==> Hyperbola [link] Protactinium ==> Abstain [link] Jayme ==> youngminii [link] Foolishness ==> BloodyC0bbler [link] Misder ==> LaXerCannon [link] zeks ==> Abstain [link] Subversion ==> Hyperbola + Show Spoiler [Voting Record (ordered by player)] + jayme ==> Amber[LighT] ==> youngminii DarthThienAn ==> Abstain ==> d3_crescentia ==> Amber[LighT] d3_crescentia ==> DarthThienAn citi.zen ==> DarthThienAn ==> ketomai rastaban ==> citi.zen youngminii ==> Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain ==> iNfuNdiBuLuM Pandain ==> Incognito ==> BloodyC0bbler ==> Hyperbola SouthRawrea ==> Incognito/Abstain ~OpZ~ ==> Chaoser ==> BloodyC0bbler BloodyC0bbler ==> Abstain ==> Pandain bumatlarge ==> Divinek ==> Hyperbola Hyperbola ==> SiNiquity LaXerCannon ==> Abstain Divinek ==> Abstain ==> Hyperbola Tricode ==> Abstain Misder ==> Hyperbola ==> LaXerCannon Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain ==> DarthThienAn Zeks ==> Hyperbola ==> Abstain SiNiquity ==> Hyperbola Roffles ==> Abstain ==> youngminii tree.hugger ==> LaXerCannon ==> DarthThienAn Foolishness ==> Abstain ==> BloodyC0bbler Lakrismamma ==> LaXerCannon ==> Subversion ==> ketomai XeliN ==> Brownbear ==> youngminii iNfuNdiBuLuM ==> youngminii chaoser ==> Abstain Amber[LighT] ==> Abstain ==> youngminii BrownBear ==> Hyperbola Protactinium ==> Abstain Subversion ==> Hyperbola Comments: + Show Spoiler [Look at the data yourself first] + Few things that jumped out at me: • Jayme voted for youngminii, not Amber[LighT] (brings youngminii's vote up to 5 from 4 - this is important, as you'll see in a bit). • Subversion Votes for Hyperbola with a one liner as night approaches, 45 minutes before the deadline. The vote was previously tied at 5-5. There wasn't a vote count with the Jayme mistake in it, as Jayme voted in between the Last Non-Final Vote Count (4.5 hours before deadline) and the Final Vote Count. It could be a freak coincidence, and had it been left at tied Hyperbola would've won, as he achieved more votes first. But maybe it was too close for comfort, as it was 7 - 5 before two people unvoted Hyperbole. Who's to say another wouldn't have jumped ship? Putting it 6-5 made it more secure. • youngminii as implied by the Subv.'s move. Again, this could be coincidence. • Rastaban left his vote on citi.zen, a pre-game/pre-role vote, despite promising to change it. He doesn't disappear after this, but rather continues in the thread to argue about the lynch/no-lynch debate, even up until a few hours before the deadline, without ever changing his vote. • citi.zen and lakrismamma left their votes on ketomai, someone who was almost assuredly going to get mod-killed. Citi.zen did this initially to "get ketomai to participate," and lak followed suit, though when ketomai didn't participate (obv. modkill target) the vote should've been moved, especially after he was replaced by Protactinium. Likely a simple mistake, but should've been addressed more when DTA points out the wtf'ness • BrownBear sticks out to me for the reasons already been covered. You'd think he's never played Mafia before based on the way he's playing, but that's hardly the case. On July 22 2010 11:03 SiNiquity wrote: Much love BM. I just went through and tallied the votes since the start of day 2 because I was tired of all the miscounts (and wanted independent verification). Your tally is the first correct count since chaoser counted 10-15 pages back (tho Rastaban was often close). ## Unvote Abstain ## Vote Chaoser I could be a total sucker, but I believe Subversion, and Chaoser reminded me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtrEN-YKLBM pre-post-edit? Annnd apparently I walk away from computers and forget to hit post. -_- Hmm interesting. So BC is either a Veteran or was protected by the remaining medic (orr Medics can protect the night they're killed, and Roffles protected BC). Is that last one even possible? Now, these are only a few of the posts sinquity has made, but they show a general trend from day 1 and 2 posting where all he seems to do is post very short amounts of content. He has many posts where he quotes large posts and replies with very little, but on average spends most of the first two days talking about vote lists from day 1, then after his day 2 vote goes inactive for over 24 hours. I have ignored the day 3 posts as they are currently current and seems that he is taking a step out of his shell. My overall impression is that he is a Mafia being heavily coached, or a town who was unsure of how to contribute as he seemed to be posting, but nothing of real substance till today. Hopefully time will raw him out of his shell, but as it seems now, that isn’t something I see happening without heavy motivation. I am hopeful that this post calling him out will force him to contribute properly. Always did enjoy being at the top I'd like to address some things you've mentioned.Now, these are only a few of the posts sinquity has made, but they show a general trend from day 1 and 2 posting where all he seems to do is post very short amounts of content. I agree that several of my posts are short, and some (albeit not the majority) could be even construed as "spam" in that they're just "fun" comments (ex: I said I first learned about Mafia in college in response to someone saying they played in the 5th grade). Constructive? No. But if you're not going to have fun with this then why even play. In general though, I try to be helpful where possible, and I think my posts reflect that despite not being as lengthy as say Pyrr's DTA dissertation. Thus I do take some offense to the way you phrase "short amounts of content" in such a negative light, as if they're all (or even a majority) useless spam. He has many posts where he quotes large posts and replies with very little... I searched my posts from Day 1 and Day 2, and I don't really see this reflected that often. In fact unless I'm completely crazy, I would say this is a rash mischaracterization of my posts. but on average spends most of the first two days talking about vote lists from day 1 How can I talk about the vote list from Day 1 on Day 1?? I think you were referring to my activity list from that day, and yeah I talked about it because it was Day 1. What else you going to talk about? I also chimed in on the RNG discussion prior to my activity list compilation.As for Day 2, yeah I compiled a voting history, and then I talked about it. This is what lead to my original suspicion of Subversion, though he followed through with his reason / excuse and convinced me otherwise. ...then after his day 2 vote goes inactive for over 24 hours. Now this is just plain wrong. I think you're referring to my Day 1 vote. And yes, I was gone the whole day, came home shortly into "Night" and saw we couldn't post, so I went to bed. I explained this, don't make it out to be some "mysterious, unexplained vanishing act" that I pulled hoping no one would notice. Again, this is rash mischaracterization on your part. I appreciate the effort you're taking to look into everyone, and I understand that it is very tedious and as such errors are bound to happen, but if the rest of your characterizations are ripe with similar mistakes, I'd be wary of accepting any of the conclusions you've drawn. If you're trying to "figure me out" go for it. It's not hard. I'm a computer scientist / mathematician by trade, and as such I find data patterns to be extremely helpful (which is why I compiled the lists I did). I'm also wary of logical fallacies / leaping to conclusions, which is why you won't find me accusing players with the conviction of some of the others - even if I'm really convinced, I'll be wary of the possibility that I'm wrong (just as with any game of imperfect information), and that I'm ultimately acting on a hunch. This doesn't mean I'm afraid to lynch people, as I recognize town people will unfortunately be killed, and lynching is our only tool to find Mafia (well not counting blues I suppose). Hope this helps | ||
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1. Mafia knew the identify of the other KP role (else this player could blow the whistle at any time). 2. Knew that the other KP role would be inactive today (maybe they posted something to this effect). As far as I can tell, the only way 1. could be accomplished is if they had already infiltrated a DT circle. This then requires 3. Knew that the DT would be inactive today (as the DT would also know 1.) I searched and it seems Misder is the only one that hasn't posted since the Tricode / Citi.zen claiming party and has hinted he would probably be inactive this go-around. I think everyone else has at least posted, though a few only dropped in some one liners just saying they were either active or trying to catch up and didn't reference Tricode / Citi.zen directly, so it could be they missed it. Am I missing anything, or barring this outlandish scenario are Tricode and Citi.zen clean? | ||
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On July 25 2010 04:27 chaoser wrote: If he IS bomber like he says he is, it'll just be me and him dying. That gives a lot of information against me/him such as those who where making a strong case against me/people who ADMITTEDLY jumped on him. If he's mafia, we just killed a mafia, good job, we still can't 100% trust citi.zen since it could be a ploy to sac one mafia to make the other one more trusted. Not saying that I don't trust you citi.zen, I'm just saying that's a possibility. Furthermore if Citi.zen is Infested Terran, the sac is worth it. He's a strong player who could argue for the other person to get lynched first if there's a counter-claim, hopefully get the DT circles before then, and then go out with a bang the next night. On the other hand, if Southrawrea is Mafia, then the reason Mafia could've sent out a "weak" player is that he's the only one that hasn't replied since Citi.zen claimed. I did my list from Tricode, I'd have to make another since Citi.zen claimed. | ||
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On July 25 2010 04:52 Amber[LighT] wrote: That's not true and you can't base any analysis on this hunch... It was a hypothetical based an another unverified hypothesis (the sentence after the one you bolded). You could have just as easily have said "that's not true, as I haven't posted since citi.zen claimed" and been productive about it. But thanks for pointing it out nonetheless. | ||
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On July 25 2010 07:39 youngminii wrote: The above posts are absolutely ridiculous and should not be taken into consideration (dumb wifom exercise). Also, @ siniquity there are 3 KP roles that have more or less claimed so far, it is very likely that either one of citi.zen and south is lying. Your post leads me to somewhat believe that you're covering up for South (scum) in case citi.zen is lynched and he flips MH. What you are doing seems to be like something a common badly organised scum member would do so I don't really know what to think about your scummyness at the moment. Dude you need to get a grip. I am aware that 3 KP roles have claimed, and that it's probably down to citi.zen and southrawrea. I never said otherwise. Ahh, I see now. You should've quoted my post. Sorry, that was On July 25 2010 07:36 SiNiquity wrote: Similarly, if citi.zen flips MH, we can't just kill South next day as he's likely IT as well. It's a 50/50 shot, and neither is going to be "conclusive." I meant the choice on who to lynch today isn't going to be conclusive. The result of the lynch will be conclusive (barring crazy Mafia Tricode/BC ploy). Though if Mafia played their cards right, we're not going to get a chance to be wrong. Again, terrible wording on my part | ||
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On July 25 2010 07:50 zeks wrote: I would think Tricode's story is the most believable. Same, which is why I'm not voting for him. Had citi.zen said nothing, we would likely be lynching Tricode today to verify his claim (better safe than sorry, etc). If Tricode is innocent, then why should citi.zen say anything... to get in the circles before a counter-claim? But why? Why not just let us lynch Tricode, confirm his vigi-ness and do all this mess next day? Unless he's afraid DT circles would connect before then? This seems like a strong argument to me. Why would citi.zen come out now and not tomorrow, after we've lynched Tricode (and likely gained nothing)? What does Mafia have to gain from a ploy like this? ## Unvote citi.zen ## Vote Southrawrea Citi.zen if you're Mafia, props for fucking with my head. | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:00 youngminii wrote: How does this post correlate in any way to the post you just quoted? Yea idk what tree is on. Tricode red => BC red, Tricode not red => BC _____ [aka implies nothing] | ||
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On July 25 2010 08:08 BrownBear wrote: Town in this game = sheep, it's ridiculous. Make your own fucking decisions people. Agreed. I'm gone to the wedding. | ||
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On July 26 2010 06:55 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I seriously hope everyone in this game dies at once tonight. lol k so here's the plan. Party at my place tonight. Everyone's invited. IT should be a blast. | ||
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On July 26 2010 07:06 SouthRawrea wrote: Kk don't wanna get killed so BloodyCobbler is actually the Mad Hatter claimee. He PMed me on day 2 (if I can count) telling me that he placed a bomb on me. He then explained that he PMed me because if I were mafia I wouldn't be able to kill him without getting killed. I trusted him because of this reasoning. I initially counter-claimed late when he msged me but yeah.. people started voting me even more so I tried to get Citi.zen lynched. This way I would know if Cobbler was telling the truth. Last night's green claim completely threw me off because Citi.zen was in my position except with a DT. I'm so fucked in the head right now .. sorry if I completely ruined the game. It must be the dynamics of a game so big or just the fact that I'm so damn stupid. Not sure if I screwed up in any other way while I was inactive.. :/ This is too awesome. I cannot step away from this thread without something amazing happening. I'm going out to dinner, and I cannot wait to come back and see what new twist has come up next. But if I'm not mistaken, this is absolutely the end for BC. | ||
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Any Mafia can also claim, "Hey, I'm DT, I checked you and you're green." This is 66% foolproof. 33% of the time, you will accidentally hit a blue, and then you're screwed. | ||
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On July 26 2010 07:19 SiNiquity wrote: This is too awesome. I cannot step away from this thread without something amazing happening. I'm going out to dinner, and I cannot wait to come back and see what new twist has come up next. But if I'm not mistaken, this is absolutely the end for BC. On July 26 2010 07:22 SiNiquity wrote: Reasoning being, of course, that any Mafia can claim "Hey I'm the MH, there's a bomb on you just in case ur Mafia." This is 100% foolproof. Any Mafia can also claim, "Hey, I'm DT, I checked you and you're green." This is 66% foolproof. 33% of the time, you will accidentally hit a blue, and then you're screwed. These 2 posts were meant to be together. Apparently I'm not fast enough Anyway out to dinner. | ||
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On July 26 2010 11:07 Bill Murray wrote: it is now day ## Vote Southrawrea ## Vote BloodyC0bbler I love not having to choose who to believe. | ||
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On July 26 2010 11:21 SouthRawrea wrote: Well how the hell did I get caught up in all of this. Shit. I should've ignored the god damn PM or outted him earlier. Hint: He's not a mad hatter. You're either lying about covering for him, or he's lying about being MH. Doesn't matter which at this point. If you happen to be telling the truth, next game don't trust random PMs from people. Period. | ||
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On July 26 2010 11:22 chaoser wrote: ##Vote SouthRawrea ##vote double lynch if mafia is pulling my chain... If you don't vote BC you're up next. | ||
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Forgot about that. Excellent. See you guys 48 hours from now | ||
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On July 26 2010 11:20 zeks wrote: nope i'm going to stay alive and swap my bomb from one of you with another scum Hope you did that last night, since you lose a bomb if the target gets lynched before the bomb gets moved. | ||
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On July 18 2010 05:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The game of Mafia has begun, and its time we get it going properly. Some decent idea's have been laid out and we can consider them viable. We have a few basics to remember in a setup like this. Trust no one. For all of the newer players. Stay out of PM land. If by god you go there, please only do so after the person your talking to has been confirmed. The chances for a minor slip up is enough to get you sniped if your blue, or give out information that you may have if you have it. Secondly, we should set up potential lists of people to watch out for until they can be confirmed. I would start with BloodyC0bbler Foolishness DTA YoungMirii Citizen I believe us 5 should be under the most scrutiny at the beginning of this game. Next we need medics to protect intelligently. Protect people you think will get hit. Analyze what people are saying then think if its something that would warrant mafia hitting them. IF so, put them on a list. Do this a few times and you have yourself a medic list to protect off of. Next, day 1 lynch we have a few options a) vote for the most inactive player b) Vote for someone to RNG a player then vote on them c) Vote for someone whos scummy (bad idea) Now, with that all said and done, Lets get this party started. | ||
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On July 26 2010 14:46 Pandain wrote: RUH ROH Guys vote for double lynch. Just vote for that first, don't have to make a decision about the other stuff. If two more people vote for bloody and south and double lynch, than we lynch those two but get no double lynch next time. #Unvote BC Just until we're sure of getting double lynch. I swear I'm going to strangle you with the noose myself.. On July 26 2010 14:34 Bill Murray wrote: no, i would not modkill during that time, and the day would technically be in twilight until people either voted for or against double lynch (in that scenario) | ||
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On July 26 2010 14:51 SiNiquity wrote: Also BC, while you're here. Do you deny PMing Rasta and South? You probably only have minutes left at this rate. Answer plz BC. | ||
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On July 26 2010 15:24 Tricode wrote: ##Vote SouthRawrea ##Vote rastaban Apparently BC is both MH/DT, because that makes perfect sense and only adds a pile of shit and more confusion. The fact that some how BC claimed to two different roles through pm is highly unlikely and very risky move and once again still unlikely. These two idiots are just causing confusion and trying to push BC's lynch. I find the margin very slim that BC is red (though hell anything is possible), but as more accusations and claims are made about BC, the more fucked up, weird, and terrible the stories get. Please actually consider and analyze what is being said. Agreed. Either BC is scum or South and Rasta are scum. As it's so blindingly stupid for Rasta to come out and say "BC was my DT" I can't imagine it swings the latter, as that's just a freebie. | ||
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Much like Day 3 where Tricode red ==> BC red, we now have BC not red ==> South and Rasta red. So it's a win/win for town. Either get one red (BC) or two (South & Rasta). | ||
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On July 26 2010 15:46 ~OpZ~ wrote: Hey BC, plz post your PM's with South and Rastaban. Please copy and paste them, not type them. Thanks in advance. On July 26 2010 15:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: That I do. I could name you the players I have pm'd and they would most likely confirm that they have had some form of messages with me. | ||
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On July 26 2010 15:53 ~OpZ~ wrote: Oh...and Why is nobody questioning why only one person died? Or was that medic protection planned? Vet get hit....No question with that? I assumed the "circle" was taking care of it -_- being town is so boring at times Also, it could be Mafia really wanted Subversion dead and figured with the circle in place medic protection had him covered, so they doubled up on him. | ||
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On July 26 2010 22:07 lakrismamma wrote: I think this is clear and for people that dont see it you probably never will. BC is so red you can use him in a russian parade. Southrawrea sould be green and fooled by BC but the chances are low and he would be the worst town ever. (Next to Subversion who seemed to have claimed to 4 persons he is not sure of). ##vote doublelynch ##vote Southrawrea ##vote Bloodyc0bbler If BC is red then I'm 99% sure South is not. Reason being
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On July 27 2010 06:52 chaoser wrote: so BM, after all the double lynch votes are in, do we get the day post? Yeah I don't see why not. Twilight is post-evening after all and just before night. Not sure how he'd handle mod-killing fairly though if it takes too long to get the double-lynch votes in. | ||
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On July 27 2010 08:09 ~OpZ~ wrote: you'll be happier if bc died and wasn't red? That's smart.... It is, as BC and South/Rasta are at direct odds with each other. Only one group can be telling the truth, and only Mafia in this scenario have a vested interest in lying. So if BC's not red I'm certain these 2 are. If by some bizarre chance they're not, then the town's doomed from stupidity for lying, not to cover someone, but just because. | ||
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On July 28 2010 02:01 ~OpZ~ wrote: ....There hasn't even been a lynch post iirc You missed it, it's on page 142: On July 28 2010 18:10 Bill Murray wrote: There are no Mafia. Charade's over. Go home everybody. | ||
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On July 28 2010 02:08 ~OpZ~ wrote: Oh, you're my lynch vote for the next day, btw. <3 | ||
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On July 28 2010 04:43 DarthThienAn wrote: DarthThienAn comes back from the grave. I killed Bill Murray. kthx. Jerk. Now I'll never know the outcome of the lynchings | ||
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On July 28 2010 12:48 Pandain wrote: But sometimes they finger him just to try and defend themselves. For example, later on if BC took a leadership position and Sub fingered him, than after finding out Sub is mafia, we might think that BC is innocent cause he got fingered. Mmm true. | ||
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On July 29 2010 08:40 XeliN wrote: Oh what villainous webs we weave, to entice naivety into our midst and feast upon it. The dice is rolled, the hour shall strike for one brave solider blindly entering into the den of the beast. Yet justice doth spread itself too far, and the virtuous too oft find themselves stifled under it's harrowing wings. Flee, oh flee this tainted land, the light is swept away by dusk, blurring deceit and truth, entwined. The colour of our countenance shall cease it's divisive nature. Lo! for the mighty and weak alike shall become unified within this spectrum of transcendency. Our virtue shall glimmer out through eschatological verification, Who shall journey bravely with me out of this most turbulent sea? Would the marked come companioned? The Dice is rolled... I'm a wee bit infested and very much looking forward to meeting one, or more of you, on this most auspicious of nights.  Lovely | ||
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In other words you probably won't notice a difference | ||
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More likely he's just asleep at the wheel again tho <3 BM, don't hurt me. | ||
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lol popsicle stand. You crazy cats. | ||
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On July 29 2010 13:18 Divinek wrote: 1.zeks 2.med 3.infun 4.dt 5.you 6.whoever else 7. XeliN man counting is hard i think worst case is the IT takes out both blue roles +target but that's super duper unlikely Man being arrogant never felt so good. | ||
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SiNiquity knew that someone was going to hurt XeliN tonight On July 02 2010 07:13 Bill Murray wrote: Suicide Bomber/Infested Terran - You may choose to "explode" on your target, taking them out with you. You will also kill anyone who is visiting that player [the suicide bomber target] in the night (medics, detectives, mad hatters, mafia buddies, etc.) gg anyways † | ||
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