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On July 24 2010 11:32 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 10:46 citi.zen wrote:On July 24 2010 10:31 tree.hugger wrote:
Hahahaha, BC where was that Day 1?
Also, I think we should lynch youngjeezy. He's like Subversion, (and tied to him) but more annoying. I think, seeing how he's rendered an opinion on practically everyone in the town by now, he's a lynch that'll keep on giving. I've thought he's mafia from the beginning, basically, and he's continued to get pretty much everything wrong since then.
But I guess I'm open to lynching citi.zen as well, as he's been spectacularly unhelpful, and has been sitting firmly in that grey area between activity and inactivity that usually harbors at least half of the mafia. Pop quiz: out of BC's list of himself, me or pyrr, who has been "hugging that green area" closest? Wait what? The green area? What green area? What are you talking about. And if we're talking about the "grey" area that I mentioned then it's you. The person I said it was. Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 10:43 Subversion wrote:
I strongly, strongly believe that youngminii is not scum.
I really think we need to stop looking at the same people we have been since day 1/2, and start looking at new people with fresh eyes. The case against me was pretty ridiculous imo, based on 1 comment and an F'd vote count. youngminii is only in the spotlight because he was somehow, linked to me. How this happened I STILL do not know.
We're still beating the same dead dogs. We need to target a different "group", I strongly feel that the youngminii/dta/me/chaoser thing that has been going since forever is the wrong group of people. We've only lynched two of those people, and the two that only silly people read as town, how can we say the rest are innocent?
Listen, I know you really think Subversion is mafia, but you really have to have a better argument than "Hey since MAYBE youngmini is mafia than MAYBE the mafia was keeping count of votes even though BM did and thus MAYBE realized youngmini was going to be lynched, and therefore MAYBE got Subversion to risk being caught and vote for Hyperbola. Also, he said a funny sentence. Therefore He's MAFIA!!!!"
It's far more likely Subversion was just a poor townie who voted at the wrong time. Let's not get 3 mislynches in a row, mkay?
Unless you have any new evidence, I suggest people not to vote Subversion. Unless I'm totally mistaken and you are now suspecting Chaoser, but I am neglecting that because you have already shown to be highly suscipious of Subversion.
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[QUOTE]On July 24 2010 12:05 citi.zen wrote:
Ok, let's blow this taco stand.
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<3 this quote.
Also, Cit.zen doing it again. Reminds me off his "Kill L" in a previous game, and then just baddassly claims "I want all Role PMS by tonight."
GJ citizen, sounds like a plan.
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On July 24 2010 15:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Citizen, you know im criticizing you because what you proposed isn’t a solid plan.
You offered a plan that your “confirmation” was no counter claim. A dt has to prove he’s a DT after day 2 by handing over a red typically. A vig has to have wasted a shot and been willing to die (see tricode), a hatter would have to offer to sacrifice their-self. Instead you offered a plan that relies on everyone to implicitly trust your word. You are aware of what a hatters job would be, just as much as you know trust in a mafia game isn’t freely given like your asking. Ontop of that your asking for all the blues to claim to you? You have offered nothing but a plan with holes ones you knew were open. Also, if you were really the hatter, you would most likely have a bomb on me already, so are you willing to lay your life on the line Godfather? If your legit you would be able to put the dt the other person your dt confirmed in contact with the other dt liason and would let claiming possible to them. Shall we do this rationally then?
Once the two DTs are connected, you are no longer needed. So you should be willing to do your job.
I'm so confused T_T.
As long as the other vigi/mad hatter counter claims we know Cit.zen is mafia. If no one counter claims, then he is NOT mafia. Therefore he's confirmed. So why NOT pm him?
BloodyC0bbler, maybe you're just confuzzled or maybe I am but can you please explain to me how the above logic does not make sense.
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On July 24 2010 15:19 youngminii wrote:
^ Actually if there's a counter claim, we have no way of knowing which claim is true unless citi.zen decides to off himself. In any case, we should just run with it. If citi.zen was scum, he'd be in a bad spot right now.
Oh was that what BC was saying? I understand that. However, at the same time it would be very risky for Cit.zen. I would say let's do his plan.
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On July 24 2010 15:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 15:28 youngminii wrote:
Now who's the one causing spam/clutter. It's a solid plan. If he's scum it doesn't matter, he's not going to learn the identities of any blues/DTs. Also, it'll become inherently obvious that he's scum (alongside with his 'DT') by the way the game turns out. Stop arguing a lost cause, it's a good plan apart from the blue mass claim. He could be GF who got checked dt went "hurr most likely legit what gf would choose hatter" and gave info, and then ends up getting filtered (as he's still the voice of his dt) so he still gets fed info from the other dt via a chain. .
If he's GF, that would require some DEEP DEEP thinking. I mean, he'd have to be Funkmaster Jesus in order to know that.
Look at it:
1)He'd have to know vigi would shoot, therefore being hatter could help.
2.)If he's not hatter, the real hatter will say so, therefore causing us to know one of them is scum.
3)Wouldn't that DT already be dead? why would they let a DT live.
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On July 24 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 15:55 Tricode wrote:
BC seems confident about southrawrea and does have good analysis on him. And I would like to lynch mafia this time round.
So
Changing my vote
##unvote youngmini
##Vote: southrawrea indeed a good example of putting the spot light on one of those inactive bastards like i was wanting to do ##vote southrawrea
Everyone now hold your horses on voting south rarwar. Four is a good motivator, I don't want any more or this is going to turn into an unstopable bandwagon like yesterday.
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On July 24 2010 16:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 16:02 youngminii wrote:
Just pointing out that point C) is moot 'cause when you flip, you flip your role. And yes, I am assuming both DTs have a trust circle. It would be pretty funny if the DTs weren't making trust circles, wouldn't it? The confirmation process you're describing seems like an unnecessary town (mad hatter) lynch to me. Also, what about the bombs he's placed? Seems to me that you could be scum and by offing citi.zen you're potentially getting 3 kills in one go. It seems more beneficial if town just believes in the plan without all the tiny points that you're bringing up at the last minute. Because I am 100% certainbased on how hes been playing that if he is legit there is a bomb on me. He has posted more than once that he has suspicions on me, so regardless, I'd die. So if i was scum, no it wouldn't be 3 free kills. You are taking huge leaps of faith whereas you shouldn't be in a position where if hes mafia, town loses. The tiny holes you are describing are actually quite large and I gave a plan to fix said hole, and instead people are wanting to take everything in faith, very scary concept in mafia. IF a DT claimed he would have to offer a red, a vig would have to claim his shot and be willing to die to prove it/be checked, etc... The fact your expectations of a hatter in a much more sensitive spot doesn't meet the same standard is just odd.
Now that I think about it... lynching him, wouldn't that be bad? I mean he has TWO bombs, therefore his bombs could be going off on innocent civilians!
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Ya, NO ONE DOUBLE LYNCH
We are two away from ending the day early
I say we have a last minute vote for double lynch just so then we will have double lynch, but don't end day early.
Thoughts?
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On July 24 2010 18:17 Bill Murray wrote:
double lynch isn't going to end the day early
O psych. Thought I heard it mentioned a couple times it does. Haha uber fail.
In that case
##Vote Double Lynch
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On July 24 2010 22:27 lakrismamma wrote:
Sounds good to me.If BC doesn't flip red then citi.zen is next on the chopping block and we have got one mafia either way.
So what happens if cit.zen is killed first? Medic you say? What about a suicide bomber? j
I for one would think the mafia would be desperate enough to do that. I say we go for the plan now
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Wait what the frick am I talking about we can still pm during night. T_T.
*sigh* Yet another theory gone to waste.
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On July 25 2010 01:20 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Personally, I'm not sure which method of contact is superior for the plan (representative to citi or actual DT to citi). Both have pros and cons here, can anyone else shed some light?
Heres why I'm really scared. If a mafia fake claims to a "trusted" source who he supposedly checked. Then that represenitive might be innocent but the mafia isn't. That's what I'm scared of.
Also, I think it would still be okay because isn't citizen confirmed basically? So we can trust him. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm a little groggy.
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On July 25 2010 03:34 SiNiquity wrote:
Well with 2 / 2 KP roles have claimed (Tricode Vigilante and Citi.zen Mad Hatter), and with no counter claims up to this point, it seems likely that they're both innocent. The only scenario I can imagine where even one of these players isn't innocent is if:
1. Mafia knew the identify of the other KP role (else this player could blow the whistle at any time).
2. Knew that the other KP role would be inactive today (maybe they posted something to this effect).
As far as I can tell, the only way 1. could be accomplished is if they had already infiltrated a DT circle. This then requires
3. Knew that the DT would be inactive today (as the DT would also know 1.)
I searched and it seems Misder is the only one that hasn't posted since the Tricode / Citi.zen claiming party and has hinted he would probably be inactive this go-around. I think everyone else has at least posted, though a few only dropped in some one liners just saying they were either active or trying to catch up and didn't reference Tricode / Citi.zen directly, so it could be they missed it.
Am I missing anything, or barring this outlandish scenario are Tricode and Citi.zen clean?
Yeah, pretty sure. I had been thinking about this for a while now(past 20 minutes) and I was thinking up a couple of ideas. Would it be good for everyone just to pm roleclaim to either Tricode/Citizen.
I mean, they're both clean. This could really really help us. And in the chance that a mafia will counter claim to be a kp town, than we have 3 suspects to deal with.
DONT ROLECLAIM YET, NEED FEEBACK
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On July 25 2010 03:52 SouthRawrea wrote:
I decided to abstain from placing a second bomb because of the first vote placed on me by Bumat... I felt threatened. :/
1)This sentence confuses me. If you felt threatened, why would you abstian.
I'm positive I'm just slow and you have a good reason but just in case can you clarify?
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On July 25 2010 04:16 bumatlarge wrote:##Unvote bloodyc0bbler
##vote SouthrawareaI think this is like my 5th vote change, sorry BM  and sorry south, its for the great good you dirty mafiaso.
Don't do this. This is bad(I think)*. Always support why you are voting him. It's stuff like this that it just leads to bandwagons after one seemingly good post attacking a player. Wait to make your decision, or at least give reasons.
Not saying your neccesarily wrong, but I'd just want to encourage the above type of posting.
*gosh I hate being a first time player
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On July 25 2010 06:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 06:31 zeks wrote:On July 25 2010 06:25 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 25 2010 06:17 zeks wrote:
#vote SouthRawrea
Mafia is essentially against a wall so they pushed their most inactive member out to die
How does that make any sense mafia is against a wall so they sacrificed someone who was going to be lynched anyway? if southrawrea is red it doesn't buy the mafia any extra time if he gets lynched 1. His claim is an effort to save himself and get our main man citi.zen killed in the process 2. SouthRawrea is obviously expendable 3. Town organization is becoming a LEGIT THREAT - we've forced the action on them so now they came up with an aggressive reply with South claiming. Scum probably wrote his posts up for him rofl Okay, I can see this line of thinking now. However, so far 1, seems to be backfiring since South has already garnered several votes. And i doubt he had his posts written for him; they're not persuasive at all. Put yourself in the mafias shoes. If citizen is really the hatter, how would you disrupt the plan? The strategies i detailed in my longish post on page 96 (i think its 96) involving false DT claims would be much more powerful and harder to combat than sending out SouthRawrea to meekly claim that he's the real Mad Hatter. Like I said before, never assume the mafia are idiots. The other possibility no one has mentioned is that BC and Tricode are both red and we have 2 Hatters (possible yes... realistic probably not)
@Bolded section. How would that work? Day 2 there were 3 hits.
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On July 25 2010 06:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Ok, so its been close to two hours since citizens last post. Its nearing (if i've counted properly) 3 hours till end of day and the guy has literally vanished. He has ignored relevant posts by mulitple players that demand his attention.
He has pushed that people vote then vanished off the face of the earth.
In the face of what he has proposed, why would he be inactive? He has to prove his plan is completely sound here, and what do I see, an inactive person trying to slide under the radar and stay "trusted" to garnish DT information be it their roles, or just who they have confirmed.
He also has people who have been mostly inactive the majority of the game coming forth to defend him, where were they? they are all players who have played in multiple games and should see the same issues with his plan that Myself and others have. Instead they are blind trusting? That isn't something someone with experience would just do this early in the game.
Until he really comes out to defend himself (not pointing fingers at others) but seriously address' the issues so far posted the last few pages, he is looking very scum
## vote citizen
This sums up my feelings pretty well. Add to this that he has barely responded during a period when day's about to end, his plan is up to debate, and a counter claim.
There have been decent arguments against his plan, yet many times he only focuses on the weak one, thus "negating all of them." Sometimes he doesn't respond at all.
To those people who voted south originally so then he could "post more" it's time to change that. Time to make a decision. Thus I
##Unvote
##Vote Cit.zen
Zeks, I still got my eye on you >.<
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On July 25 2010 08:07 youngminii wrote:
If we lynch citi.zen the Mafia: Then we've taken out one red. We have a town member to form a circle around (SouthRawrea), and this player is 100% new to forum mafia.
We've taken out probably the most important mafia member and the most experienced. We've stopped him from trying to figure out the two dts. We have a fadoodle load of information we can analyze based on who supported him and who didn't.
And yes, we have a confirmed townie to boot.
On July 25 2010 08:07 youngminii wrote:
If we lynch citi.zen the Mad Hatter: Then ASSUMING citi.zen's already given the second DT party (his inactivity cough) AND if we rule out the possibility of TWO DT groups claiming to him, then we have a town circle with a DT. Two people needlessly die and if you all really think that citi.zen's scumhunting abilities are so good, then why don't you trust him on his SouthRawrea hunt?
This post is a bit confusing (PM me to clarify?) But we get two bombs placed by citizen, who's far more likely to have placed a bomb on mafia than south, and in addition we get to analyze all posts relating to those people as well. I do think citizens scumhunting abilities are good.... IF HES TOWN. If he's not, than I can't trust him.
On July 25 2010 08:07 youngminii wrote:
If we lynch Southrawrea the Mafia: Then we gain a whole load of information with many implications (unfortunately no one listens to me anymore). We've got BC backed into a corner, we've got chaoser (imo) and a few more, AND we have a huge townie group with TWO DTs working together.
I agree with this. If he is mafia, than we have got a huge advantage. Still, there are holes in citizens plans however, and while they could be amended, we just don't have the time. However, we are in NO position to make such huge leaps of faith. As mentioned by several people and in this post, it is far safer and more logical to lynch citizen.
On July 25 2010 08:07 youngminii wrote:
If we lynch Southrawrea the Mad Hatter: Then chaoser dies. Only one death compared to two if citi.zen's Mad Hatter. I do think he's mafia and maybe you would too (directed at tree.hugger) if you got off your high horse and read my analysis posts once in a while.
We lynch an innocent mad hatter, citizen therefore is red. However as mentioned by others theres a decent chance of him being suicide.
Killing a possible red is no reason to lynch a blue.
I'm sorry youngmini, I won't change my will or anything, but the Secret Friendship Alliance only goes so far!
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On July 25 2010 08:41 citi.zen wrote:
The confirmed dt knows of all the claims. I will not reveal their names publicly at this point - it would condemn the real one. It also has no bearing on what you guys need to do: lynch south so you get a 1pp% confirmed red. One way or another.
Yayyyyyyyyyyy win /win situation.
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On July 25 2010 08:46 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:41 citi.zen wrote:
The confirmed dt knows of all the claims. I will not reveal their names publicly at this point - it would condemn the real one. It also has no bearing on what you guys need to do: lynch south so you get a 1pp% confirmed red. One way or another. And this DT is confirmed how? Because he checked you and got Hatter and claimed to you? Because that doesn't matter when you are a prime GF candidate. And lynching south doesn't get a confirmed red because if he's innocent we still have to sort out between you and tricode and if red it seems like a dead end.
Awww fadoodle. Rofl, what if citizen got played.
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