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ebwop: i mean, if i knew as much as this as you did, i'd be strongly suspecting tree.hugger of being mafia right now. but you don't suspect him. why?
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Also, some collected important info:
+ Show Spoiler [Day 1 Votes] +
Hyperbola (6) Divinek Pandain SiNiquity bumatlarge Brownbear Subversion
Youngminii (5) XeliN Amber[Light] Roffles Infundibulum Jayme
Abstain (6) LaXerCannon tricode SouthRawrea chaoser protactinium zeks
DTA (3) d3_crescentia Pyrrhuloxia tree.hugger
ketomai (2) citi.zen lakrismamma
Amber[Light] (1)
DTA
BloodyCobbler (2) OpZ
Foolishness LaXerCannon (1) Misder
Citi.zen (1) rastaban
SiNiquity (1)
Hyperbola
Pandain (1) BloodyCobbler
Infundibulum (1) youngminii
+ Show Spoiler [Day 2 votes] +
DTA (10) Pyrrhuloxia XeliN zeks Subversion LaXerCannon rastaban OpZ Protactinium chaoser Pandain
chaoser (8) youngminii Roffles SouthRawrea misder citi.zen BrownBear Divinek SiNiquity
Subversion (7) tree.hugger bumatlarge jayme Amber[Light] Infundibulum
DTA d3_crescentia
Amber[Light] (1) Bloody Cobbler
Abstain (2) lakrismamma tricode
People who overlapped on Hyperbola and DTA lynch votes: Pandain Subversion
+ Show Spoiler +Hyperbola's "Death Post" On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote:Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy:Brown BearShow nested quote +On July 19 2010 06:29 BrownBear wrote: Ahhhh shti!
I am back, sorry. Is it too late to avoid modkill? Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 06:31 BrownBear wrote: Whew, looks like I got back in time. Sorry about that. Time to go read the thread. Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminiiShow nested quote +On July 18 2010 21:01 youngminii wrote: Actually, I'm not going to overlook it. Why would you place a vote on me 'just in case'? Especially after you heard BC say I was a strong player (which citi.zen evidently disagrees with)? You have these two guys criticising my post when it's not even serious, you jump on this bandwagon and then put a placeholder vote on me just in case?
Does this not strike you as scummy at all? Overly scummy but scummy nonetheless? In fact, I think this is the scummiest post I have seen all game (not that long). However, I don't think you're really that bad at this game and even a mediocre scum wouldn't do that kind of mistake. Will need confirmation on other more experienced TL mafia players on your meta. You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquityI had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannonShow nested quote +On July 18 2010 09:30 LaXerCannon wrote:On July 18 2010 09:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: If we randomly pick someone, we have a better chance of getting a blue then a red. Why don't we try voting for who we think is red? It's not like the game will automatically get easier for us as it goes on, since there aren't any clues. Also, at this point everyone's votes are spread out so we are nearly guaranteed an innocent lynch. Getting everyone to agree to vote for the random could be awfully tough.
IF we wanted to do the random thing, we could tie it in advance to something numerical in one or both of the playoff games tonight. Like number of factories made by WeMade players, or that number divided by two, or taking the number of letters in each winning player's ID and looping back to 1 if it goes over 30. It wouldn't be random, but we could independently agree on it, and none of us could influence it in advance. We don't know the distribution of red/blue/green in the list so it is almost as good as random unless the reds get us to agree on a bad number (like maybe they get us to agree on something times 2, which would never land on the first person on the list). We can take this step further by listing inactives in reverse order and numbering them from 1-X, use a number we obtain from the second paragraph and count through the list, looping when needed. I'm getting carried away here... I think lynching an inactive player is the best course of action. I also think we should get a list of players who are new to this mafia game so we know who they are. A new player who's scum can easily hide under that mask; I think it's best we can monitor them from the get go. Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 09:33 LaXerCannon wrote: ##Abstain in case I can't find it within myself to wake up early tomorrow to post (no other time >_>) Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 11:38 LaXerCannon wrote:On July 18 2010 10:40 youngminii wrote:On July 18 2010 10:13 SiNiquity wrote:On July 18 2010 09:59 youngminii wrote:On July 18 2010 09:51 Bill Murray wrote: EVERYONE abstaining? I guess it'd no lynch. Didn't expect that to happen! Okay so everyone should abstain imo. If you have any objections to this idea, please raise it asap because we need everyone to switch their vote to abstaining. Even one vote = lynch and that will be very suspicious of the person who left their vote by 'accident'. ##Unvote Pyrr ##Vote Abstain I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no? On July 18 2010 10:16 Jayme wrote: No-Lynch?
Oh hell no absolutely not.
I don't understand how a no-lynch is beneficial to the town if you're going to kill an inactive anyway. You learn absolutely nothing from it, you don't even have a CHANCE at hitting a red, and you're basically wasting a whole day on nothing.
No lynch is a terrible idea. If we lynch someone on the first day without any good reason there's a solid chance (12/15) that we'll hit a townie. That's 80%. There's also a better chance of lynching a blue than there is of scum. A no lynch is a gift that we should utilize instead of RVS. Bad idea, there's no incentive for town to post -> silent town = dead town Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 16:13 LaXerCannon wrote: playoffs are done for today! my next post will be in....around 16-18 hours. First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k  ~peace
+ Show Spoiler [DTA's "Death Post"] +On July 22 2010 12:14 DarthThienAn wrote: chaoser, I don't mind dying. Prefer not to, but it's all good if I do.
People to look out for when I flip green: Pyrr. Subversion (still got it out for him). youngminii. tree.hugger who fed me the connection between Sub and youngminii. And if those two are guilty then check out Pandain and citi.zen too.
People who haven't been posting that I remember: d3 zeks Jayme Laxer Amber (maybe?)
I forget who else and can't be bothered to check right now.
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On July 23 2010 02:51 Tricode wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 02:48 Pandain wrote:On July 23 2010 02:42 Amber[LighT] wrote: Subversion was supposed to be lynched. His connections, the people who were supporting him and going against him, were much greater than DTA. Then you have to consider the Chaoser bandwagon from out of left field that caused a huge change in the vote counts.
Shh... you're getting to close to my involveement n.n. But I really think one of our plans for day 2 should at least be getting the really inactive people I pointed out to talk more *Cough*Tricode*Cough*. Anyone else agree? Me. I agree. Kill that douche bag bastard. Please do so.
Keep this up and you're a great target for Day 3 lynch.
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We could just WIFOM the hell out of the reds by bomber logic!
Alright so let's say subversion s blue of an unknown type. Scum would sacrifice they're bomber on the offchance that a blue is vsiting him. Sub has already proved to be disadvantageous to the town along wth being one of the chief suspects town has, so they would be relyng that another blue is visiting him, which imo is worth the bombers life if one is at least a DT or med. Now, multiple townies are recognizing that the bomber has a strong chance of hitting sub, and any cautous blue (which is most) wont touch that guy anyway. And if hes just green trying to save himself? And no one visits him? HAHA losers. And ifs hes truly red, DTs wont worry. Honestly blowing the bomber on a less then subpar person with a crasphoot chance that a blue feels the need to act on sub s an awful lay for scum so early nto the game. And you would rsk a ht on someone who clamed blue, hasnt done much and is already under the magnifying glass.
So blues will do whatever they think best leaning against not acting on sub, and scum can consder wastng a memeber when there are 22 other townes around
WIFOM brought to you by mentos, the freshmaker. /ts allowed when used against them, right?
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citi.zen's post + Show Spoiler +On July 22 2010 02:09 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 01:43 Misder wrote:On July 21 2010 23:48 citi.zen wrote: Oh, I could also be persuaded to vote for misder if you guys like him more than zeks. Uh... Is there a reason why I'm under suspicion? If there is, what is it? Glad you asked! I am intrigued by the trifecta of you/zeks/BC. If one of you turned red, I'd heavily suspect the others. The converse obviously does not necessarily hold. BC concluded in his long post that zeks and misder are likely innocents who left the hyperbola bandwagon when they realized what a monster of a creation is was, and that it was probably leading to lynching an innocent player (hello day 1 lynches). Seems like a pretty strong thing to infer, but the man has mad experience, so who knows. Both zeks and misder use the same argument for their switch: they never voted with any conviction, only to make hyperbola become more active. Then foolishness got killed and the ever so helpful misder put together a post on foolishnes' accusations about me and darth, conveniently forgetting to include the fact that foolishness voted for BC. This post was an obvious attempt to start suspicion, but mysteriously misder never followed up on it once Amber 'splained it to him: Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 03:29 Amber[LighT] wrote:On July 21 2010 03:21 Misder wrote: I would also like to point out this post by citi.zen. [nr: the rest of the quote does not paste well - go find it yourselves] Because then it puts the finger-pointers in a position when players, such as yourself, go back and analyze the posts. This is actually a common ruse to cause the town to run around in circles as townies battle townies. It's not to say your analysis is invalid, but it could just be a breadcrumb trail to no-wheres-ville setup and managed by the mafia. Most townies enjoy debating their hunches, mafia prefers to start shit and then lay low - this is exactly what you did here. So yeah, I think you make an excellent lynching candidate. If you turned red we'd have a lead on other players. If you are not lynched you or zeks should get checked tonight (not BC - if red he would be the GF who put himself up for checking). That's my little conspiracy theory of the day!
my post + Show Spoiler +On July 22 2010 03:30 Misder wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 22 2010 02:09 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 01:43 Misder wrote:On July 21 2010 23:48 citi.zen wrote: Oh, I could also be persuaded to vote for misder if you guys like him more than zeks. Uh... Is there a reason why I'm under suspicion? If there is, what is it? Glad you asked! I am intrigued by the trifecta of you/zeks/BC. If one of you turned red, I'd heavily suspect the others. The converse obviously does not necessarily hold. BC concluded in his long post that zeks and misder are likely innocents who left the hyperbola bandwagon when they realized what a monster of a creation is was, and that it was probably leading to lynching an innocent player (hello day 1 lynches). Seems like a pretty strong thing to infer, but the man has mad experience, so who knows. Both zeks and misder use the same argument for their switch: they never voted with any conviction, only to make hyperbola become more active. Then foolishness got killed and the ever so helpful misder put together a post on foolishnes' accusations about me and darth, conveniently forgetting to include the fact that foolishness voted for BC. This post was an obvious attempt to start suspicion, but mysteriously misder never followed up on it once Amber 'splained it to him: Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 03:29 Amber[LighT] wrote:On July 21 2010 03:21 Misder wrote: I would also like to point out this post by citi.zen. [nr: the rest of the quote does not paste well - go find it yourselves] Because then it puts the finger-pointers in a position when players, such as yourself, go back and analyze the posts. This is actually a common ruse to cause the town to run around in circles as townies battle townies. It's not to say your analysis is invalid, but it could just be a breadcrumb trail to no-wheres-ville setup and managed by the mafia. Most townies enjoy debating their hunches, mafia prefers to start shit and then lay low - this is exactly what you did here. So yeah, I think you make an excellent lynching candidate. If you turned red we'd have a lead on other players. If you are not lynched you or zeks should get checked tonight (not BC - if red he would be the GF who put himself up for checking). That's my little conspiracy theory of the day! + Show Spoiler +On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote:Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy:Brown BearShow nested quote +On July 19 2010 06:29 BrownBear wrote: Ahhhh shti!
I am back, sorry. Is it too late to avoid modkill? Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 06:31 BrownBear wrote: Whew, looks like I got back in time. Sorry about that. Time to go read the thread. Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminiiShow nested quote +On July 18 2010 21:01 youngminii wrote: Actually, I'm not going to overlook it. Why would you place a vote on me 'just in case'? Especially after you heard BC say I was a strong player (which citi.zen evidently disagrees with)? You have these two guys criticising my post when it's not even serious, you jump on this bandwagon and then put a placeholder vote on me just in case?
Does this not strike you as scummy at all? Overly scummy but scummy nonetheless? In fact, I think this is the scummiest post I have seen all game (not that long). However, I don't think you're really that bad at this game and even a mediocre scum wouldn't do that kind of mistake. Will need confirmation on other more experienced TL mafia players on your meta. You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquityI had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannonShow nested quote +On July 18 2010 09:30 LaXerCannon wrote:On July 18 2010 09:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: If we randomly pick someone, we have a better chance of getting a blue then a red. Why don't we try voting for who we think is red? It's not like the game will automatically get easier for us as it goes on, since there aren't any clues. Also, at this point everyone's votes are spread out so we are nearly guaranteed an innocent lynch. Getting everyone to agree to vote for the random could be awfully tough.
IF we wanted to do the random thing, we could tie it in advance to something numerical in one or both of the playoff games tonight. Like number of factories made by WeMade players, or that number divided by two, or taking the number of letters in each winning player's ID and looping back to 1 if it goes over 30. It wouldn't be random, but we could independently agree on it, and none of us could influence it in advance. We don't know the distribution of red/blue/green in the list so it is almost as good as random unless the reds get us to agree on a bad number (like maybe they get us to agree on something times 2, which would never land on the first person on the list). We can take this step further by listing inactives in reverse order and numbering them from 1-X, use a number we obtain from the second paragraph and count through the list, looping when needed. I'm getting carried away here... I think lynching an inactive player is the best course of action. I also think we should get a list of players who are new to this mafia game so we know who they are. A new player who's scum can easily hide under that mask; I think it's best we can monitor them from the get go. Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 09:33 LaXerCannon wrote: ##Abstain in case I can't find it within myself to wake up early tomorrow to post (no other time >_>) Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 11:38 LaXerCannon wrote:On July 18 2010 10:40 youngminii wrote:On July 18 2010 10:13 SiNiquity wrote:On July 18 2010 09:59 youngminii wrote:On July 18 2010 09:51 Bill Murray wrote: EVERYONE abstaining? I guess it'd no lynch. Didn't expect that to happen! Okay so everyone should abstain imo. If you have any objections to this idea, please raise it asap because we need everyone to switch their vote to abstaining. Even one vote = lynch and that will be very suspicious of the person who left their vote by 'accident'. ##Unvote Pyrr ##Vote Abstain I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no? On July 18 2010 10:16 Jayme wrote: No-Lynch?
Oh hell no absolutely not.
I don't understand how a no-lynch is beneficial to the town if you're going to kill an inactive anyway. You learn absolutely nothing from it, you don't even have a CHANCE at hitting a red, and you're basically wasting a whole day on nothing.
No lynch is a terrible idea. If we lynch someone on the first day without any good reason there's a solid chance (12/15) that we'll hit a townie. That's 80%. There's also a better chance of lynching a blue than there is of scum. A no lynch is a gift that we should utilize instead of RVS. Bad idea, there's no incentive for town to post -> silent town = dead town Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 16:13 LaXerCannon wrote: playoffs are done for today! my next post will be in....around 16-18 hours. First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k  ~peace I never said the only reason to vote to lynch him was to get him active. I said it was a plus. + Show Spoiler +blah. I don't want to abstain... but I don't know who to lynch  I vote LaXerCannon because his posts don't have any substance whatsoever. He tries to contribute, but doesn't give any astounding idea. His ideas are based on previous ideas that have been said, and doesn't say anything new. Then he distracts from the conversation. Either Hyperbola is a mafia member that is trying every attempt to get out, by making false accusations, or he is a townie who make a mistake but is trying to amend it by giving analysis. I tend to lean towards the latter. Plus, Hyperbola is now being active, which is good. If he is a mafia member, his activeness may work against him because he will have to dodge a lot to make it seem like he is a townie. If he is a townie, well, good. An active townie a very very good. Hopefully, I made the right decision... My reason for lynching him was this + Show Spoiler +As for the hyperbola bandwagon: I didn't really mean to actually start the bandwagon xD I just pointed out that his posts don't provide substance at all, and his defense is very poor. Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 02:06 Hyperbola wrote: You seem pretty adamant about accusing me for like a quick post I made a while back. Look dude, I'll spill the beans, my post against Sinequity wasn't serious. I still can't believe you haven't caught on to that by now. I accuse him for making a long post just for fun and I also didn't feel like abstaining. I also like being quiet and examining things behind the lines. What you're gonna crucify me every game for not posting often? I'm keeping my vote on Sinequity as a placeholder, mmkay? and I think this came a way too late. Why not say this when defending himself the first time? He's just asking to be lynched... Nothing in there said that I wanted him to be active. I changed my vote because he contributed a lot to the town even though he was under attack. No mafia member would do this. This is pro-town behavior. The reason why I gathered up the posts from Foolishness was to see if we could find anything from his posts. It wasn't like I was making a claim based on Foolishness's posts, just making sure we didn't miss out on something that the mafia didn't want Foolishness to expand on. Foolishness was a clear advocate for lynching DTA and you (citi.zen). Mafia may have wanted to kill Foolishness before he can expand. After Amber's post, I didn't know if I was going the right direction or not. It seemed like what I was doing was not helping, so I stopped. I thought that I got my point across with original post, and I left it at that. Do not put me in the same category as zeks or BC. I have my own suspicion of both of them... though not as thought out.
citi.zen, you've only made one post against me (with actual content), and I have responded earlier. Just saying.
And if you really want to lynch me, you have tonight and day (mafia time) to present to the people before I can respond... (as I stated, I will not be able to get internet access tomorrow, and maybe even the day after tomorrow.)
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fuck it, I give up with the vote list, I checked three times and the numbers aren't working out over about 20-25 pages. I'll just post what I have and examine it.
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+ Show Spoiler +rastaban unabstains, votes DTA at 7:35 (DTA 8, Cha 7, Sub 7) BBt unvotes DTA, votes chaoser at 8:15 (DTA 7, Cha 8, Sub 7) Divinek unvotes BB, votes chaoser at 8:34 (Cha 9, DTA 7, Sub 7) chaoser unvotes Sub, votes DTA at 8:41 (Cha 9, DTA 8, Sub 6) Lakrismamma abstains at 9:30 chaoser unvotes DTA, votes Subversion at 9:37 (Cha 9, DTA 7, Sub 7) Divinek unvotes chaoser, votes amber at 9:44 (Cha 8, DTA 7, Sub 7)
At this point amber has 2 votes, BB has 3
DTA unvotes chaoser, votes Subversion at 9:55 (Cha at 7, DTA 7, Sub 8)
Here BM announces voting ends in about 2 hours
Pandain unvotes Subversion, Abstains at 10:51 (Sub at 7/top, Cha 7, DTA 7) OpZ unvotes BB, votes DTA at 10:58 (DTA 8, Sub 7, Cha 7) Siniquity unabstains, votes chaoser at 11:03 (DTA 8/top, Cha 8, Sub 7) iNfuNdiBuLuM votes Subversion at 11:44 (DTA 8/top, Cha 8, Sub 8) Divinek unvotes amber, votes chaoser at 11:54 (Cha 9, DTA 8, Sub 8) Protactinium votes DTA at 11:58 (Cha 9/top, DTA 9, Sub 8)
There is an hour left
DTA unvotes Sub, votes chaoser at 12:01 (Cha 10, DTA 9, Sub 7) Tricode unvotes BB, abstains at 12:07 chaoser unvotes Sub, votes DTA at 12:11 (Cha 10, DTA 10, Sub 6)
DTA unvotes chaoser, votes Sub at 12:16, says cya (DTA 10, Cha 9, Sub 7) d3_crescentia votes Subversion at 12:20 (DTA 10, Cha 9, Sub 8) Pandain unabstains, votes DTA at 12:59 (
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I'mma edit in a spoiler cause I don't want to make it too long, ain't changing anything
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but you realize we dont know you're not changing anything 
so use preview, think about it for a second etc etc
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I voted for DTA, but I didn't want to.
I made several posts saying that I believe him to be town, that I believe all 3 top candidates to be town, and that we should change targets entirely.
I only voted for him because, to be honest, it was him or me, and voting me out would have been bad for town.
I have been up front about that fact all along.
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Don't edit at all in any situation for any reason without BM's approval.
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I'm not sure how people can be suspicious of me when I was campaigning to take a pretty much in-the-bag vote OFF of a townie.
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On July 23 2010 08:45 chaoser wrote: fuck it, I give up with the vote list, I checked three times and the numbers aren't working out over about 20-25 pages. I'll just post what I have and examine it. lol yea I feel your pain. BM's vote count on page 6x (x = 1, 2, .. etc) is accurate. So was yours on like page 50, but the rest are all bad.
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On July 23 2010 08:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Also, some collected important info: + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Votes] +
Hyperbola (6) Divinek Pandain SiNiquity bumatlarge Brownbear Subversion
Youngminii (5) XeliN Amber[Light] Roffles Infundibulum Jayme
Abstain (6) LaXerCannon tricode SouthRawrea chaoser protactinium zeks
DTA (3) d3_crescentia Pyrrhuloxia tree.hugger
ketomai (2) citi.zen lakrismamma
Amber[Light] (1)
DTA
BloodyCobbler (2) OpZ
Foolishness LaXerCannon (1) Misder
Citi.zen (1) rastaban
SiNiquity (1)
Hyperbola
Pandain (1) BloodyCobbler
Infundibulum (1) youngminii
+ Show Spoiler [Day 2 votes] +
DTA (10) Pyrrhuloxia XeliN zeks Subversion LaXerCannon rastaban OpZ Protactinium chaoser Pandain
chaoser (8) youngminii Roffles SouthRawrea misder citi.zen BrownBear Divinek SiNiquity
Subversion (7) tree.hugger bumatlarge jayme Amber[Light] Infundibulum
DTA d3_crescentia
Amber[Light] (1) Bloody Cobbler
Abstain (2) lakrismamma tricode
People who overlapped on Hyperbola and DTA lynch votes: Pandain Subversion + Show Spoiler +Hyperbola's "Death Post" On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote:Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy:Brown BearShow nested quote +On July 19 2010 06:29 BrownBear wrote: Ahhhh shti!
I am back, sorry. Is it too late to avoid modkill? Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 06:31 BrownBear wrote: Whew, looks like I got back in time. Sorry about that. Time to go read the thread. Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminiiShow nested quote +On July 18 2010 21:01 youngminii wrote: Actually, I'm not going to overlook it. Why would you place a vote on me 'just in case'? Especially after you heard BC say I was a strong player (which citi.zen evidently disagrees with)? You have these two guys criticising my post when it's not even serious, you jump on this bandwagon and then put a placeholder vote on me just in case?
Does this not strike you as scummy at all? Overly scummy but scummy nonetheless? In fact, I think this is the scummiest post I have seen all game (not that long). However, I don't think you're really that bad at this game and even a mediocre scum wouldn't do that kind of mistake. Will need confirmation on other more experienced TL mafia players on your meta. You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquityI had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannonShow nested quote +On July 18 2010 09:30 LaXerCannon wrote:On July 18 2010 09:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: If we randomly pick someone, we have a better chance of getting a blue then a red. Why don't we try voting for who we think is red? It's not like the game will automatically get easier for us as it goes on, since there aren't any clues. Also, at this point everyone's votes are spread out so we are nearly guaranteed an innocent lynch. Getting everyone to agree to vote for the random could be awfully tough.
IF we wanted to do the random thing, we could tie it in advance to something numerical in one or both of the playoff games tonight. Like number of factories made by WeMade players, or that number divided by two, or taking the number of letters in each winning player's ID and looping back to 1 if it goes over 30. It wouldn't be random, but we could independently agree on it, and none of us could influence it in advance. We don't know the distribution of red/blue/green in the list so it is almost as good as random unless the reds get us to agree on a bad number (like maybe they get us to agree on something times 2, which would never land on the first person on the list). We can take this step further by listing inactives in reverse order and numbering them from 1-X, use a number we obtain from the second paragraph and count through the list, looping when needed. I'm getting carried away here... I think lynching an inactive player is the best course of action. I also think we should get a list of players who are new to this mafia game so we know who they are. A new player who's scum can easily hide under that mask; I think it's best we can monitor them from the get go. Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 09:33 LaXerCannon wrote: ##Abstain in case I can't find it within myself to wake up early tomorrow to post (no other time >_>) Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 11:38 LaXerCannon wrote:On July 18 2010 10:40 youngminii wrote:On July 18 2010 10:13 SiNiquity wrote:On July 18 2010 09:59 youngminii wrote:On July 18 2010 09:51 Bill Murray wrote: EVERYONE abstaining? I guess it'd no lynch. Didn't expect that to happen! Okay so everyone should abstain imo. If you have any objections to this idea, please raise it asap because we need everyone to switch their vote to abstaining. Even one vote = lynch and that will be very suspicious of the person who left their vote by 'accident'. ##Unvote Pyrr ##Vote Abstain I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no? On July 18 2010 10:16 Jayme wrote: No-Lynch?
Oh hell no absolutely not.
I don't understand how a no-lynch is beneficial to the town if you're going to kill an inactive anyway. You learn absolutely nothing from it, you don't even have a CHANCE at hitting a red, and you're basically wasting a whole day on nothing.
No lynch is a terrible idea. If we lynch someone on the first day without any good reason there's a solid chance (12/15) that we'll hit a townie. That's 80%. There's also a better chance of lynching a blue than there is of scum. A no lynch is a gift that we should utilize instead of RVS. Bad idea, there's no incentive for town to post -> silent town = dead town Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 16:13 LaXerCannon wrote: playoffs are done for today! my next post will be in....around 16-18 hours. First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k  ~peace + Show Spoiler [DTA's "Death Post"] +On July 22 2010 12:14 DarthThienAn wrote: chaoser, I don't mind dying. Prefer not to, but it's all good if I do.
People to look out for when I flip green: Pyrr. Subversion (still got it out for him). youngminii. tree.hugger who fed me the connection between Sub and youngminii. And if those two are guilty then check out Pandain and citi.zen too.
People who haven't been posting that I remember: d3 zeks Jayme Laxer Amber (maybe?)
I forget who else and can't be bothered to check right now.
Most useful post during the entire night. + <3s. Saved me from backtracking again. I still say night posting is kind of dumb.
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On July 23 2010 08:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Also, some collected important info: + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Votes] +
Hyperbola (6) Divinek Pandain SiNiquity bumatlarge Brownbear Subversion
Youngminii (5) XeliN Amber[Light] Roffles Infundibulum Jayme
Abstain (6) LaXerCannon tricode SouthRawrea chaoser protactinium zeks
DTA (3) d3_crescentia Pyrrhuloxia tree.hugger
ketomai (2) citi.zen lakrismamma
Amber[Light] (1)
DTA
BloodyCobbler (2) OpZ
Foolishness LaXerCannon (1) Misder
Citi.zen (1) rastaban
SiNiquity (1)
Hyperbola
Pandain (1) BloodyCobbler
Infundibulum (1) youngminii
+ Show Spoiler [Day 2 votes] +
DTA (10) Pyrrhuloxia XeliN zeks Subversion LaXerCannon rastaban OpZ Protactinium chaoser Pandain
chaoser (8) youngminii Roffles SouthRawrea misder citi.zen BrownBear Divinek SiNiquity
Subversion (7) tree.hugger bumatlarge jayme Amber[Light] Infundibulum
DTA d3_crescentia
Amber[Light] (1) Bloody Cobbler
Abstain (2) lakrismamma tricode
People who overlapped on Hyperbola and DTA lynch votes: Pandain Subversion + Show Spoiler +Hyperbola's "Death Post" On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote:Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy:Brown BearShow nested quote +On July 19 2010 06:29 BrownBear wrote: Ahhhh shti!
I am back, sorry. Is it too late to avoid modkill? Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 06:31 BrownBear wrote: Whew, looks like I got back in time. Sorry about that. Time to go read the thread. Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminiiShow nested quote +On July 18 2010 21:01 youngminii wrote: Actually, I'm not going to overlook it. Why would you place a vote on me 'just in case'? Especially after you heard BC say I was a strong player (which citi.zen evidently disagrees with)? You have these two guys criticising my post when it's not even serious, you jump on this bandwagon and then put a placeholder vote on me just in case?
Does this not strike you as scummy at all? Overly scummy but scummy nonetheless? In fact, I think this is the scummiest post I have seen all game (not that long). However, I don't think you're really that bad at this game and even a mediocre scum wouldn't do that kind of mistake. Will need confirmation on other more experienced TL mafia players on your meta. You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquityI had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannonShow nested quote +On July 18 2010 09:30 LaXerCannon wrote:On July 18 2010 09:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: If we randomly pick someone, we have a better chance of getting a blue then a red. Why don't we try voting for who we think is red? It's not like the game will automatically get easier for us as it goes on, since there aren't any clues. Also, at this point everyone's votes are spread out so we are nearly guaranteed an innocent lynch. Getting everyone to agree to vote for the random could be awfully tough.
IF we wanted to do the random thing, we could tie it in advance to something numerical in one or both of the playoff games tonight. Like number of factories made by WeMade players, or that number divided by two, or taking the number of letters in each winning player's ID and looping back to 1 if it goes over 30. It wouldn't be random, but we could independently agree on it, and none of us could influence it in advance. We don't know the distribution of red/blue/green in the list so it is almost as good as random unless the reds get us to agree on a bad number (like maybe they get us to agree on something times 2, which would never land on the first person on the list). We can take this step further by listing inactives in reverse order and numbering them from 1-X, use a number we obtain from the second paragraph and count through the list, looping when needed. I'm getting carried away here... I think lynching an inactive player is the best course of action. I also think we should get a list of players who are new to this mafia game so we know who they are. A new player who's scum can easily hide under that mask; I think it's best we can monitor them from the get go. Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 09:33 LaXerCannon wrote: ##Abstain in case I can't find it within myself to wake up early tomorrow to post (no other time >_>) Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 11:38 LaXerCannon wrote:On July 18 2010 10:40 youngminii wrote:On July 18 2010 10:13 SiNiquity wrote:On July 18 2010 09:59 youngminii wrote:On July 18 2010 09:51 Bill Murray wrote: EVERYONE abstaining? I guess it'd no lynch. Didn't expect that to happen! Okay so everyone should abstain imo. If you have any objections to this idea, please raise it asap because we need everyone to switch their vote to abstaining. Even one vote = lynch and that will be very suspicious of the person who left their vote by 'accident'. ##Unvote Pyrr ##Vote Abstain I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no? On July 18 2010 10:16 Jayme wrote: No-Lynch?
Oh hell no absolutely not.
I don't understand how a no-lynch is beneficial to the town if you're going to kill an inactive anyway. You learn absolutely nothing from it, you don't even have a CHANCE at hitting a red, and you're basically wasting a whole day on nothing.
No lynch is a terrible idea. If we lynch someone on the first day without any good reason there's a solid chance (12/15) that we'll hit a townie. That's 80%. There's also a better chance of lynching a blue than there is of scum. A no lynch is a gift that we should utilize instead of RVS. Bad idea, there's no incentive for town to post -> silent town = dead town Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 16:13 LaXerCannon wrote: playoffs are done for today! my next post will be in....around 16-18 hours. First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k  ~peace + Show Spoiler [DTA's "Death Post"] +On July 22 2010 12:14 DarthThienAn wrote: chaoser, I don't mind dying. Prefer not to, but it's all good if I do.
People to look out for when I flip green: Pyrr. Subversion (still got it out for him). youngminii. tree.hugger who fed me the connection between Sub and youngminii. And if those two are guilty then check out Pandain and citi.zen too.
People who haven't been posting that I remember: d3 zeks Jayme Laxer Amber (maybe?)
I forget who else and can't be bothered to check right now.
I'm not sure if their death posts will really help at all. I mean, if they were killed like Foolishness than yeah it would certainly help point us in the right direction, but since they were lynched it seems unlikely to me the death post would serve as anything other than a normal, contributive post.
Unless you assume that their death post contributed to them being lynched(aka mafia bandwagon?), do you mean this? Even so, I doubt the mafia would be so risky as to bandwagon because of a post that was made because they knew they were going to die. Rest of the post is very useful though, interetsing too.
Also, tree.hugger, I would very much like to hear your response from youngmini.
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On July 23 2010 09:07 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 08:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Also, some collected important info: + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Votes] +
Hyperbola (6) Divinek Pandain SiNiquity bumatlarge Brownbear Subversion
Youngminii (5) XeliN Amber[Light] Roffles Infundibulum Jayme
Abstain (6) LaXerCannon tricode SouthRawrea chaoser protactinium zeks
DTA (3) d3_crescentia Pyrrhuloxia tree.hugger
ketomai (2) citi.zen lakrismamma
Amber[Light] (1)
DTA
BloodyCobbler (2) OpZ
Foolishness LaXerCannon (1) Misder
Citi.zen (1) rastaban
SiNiquity (1)
Hyperbola
Pandain (1) BloodyCobbler
Infundibulum (1) youngminii
+ Show Spoiler [Day 2 votes] +
DTA (10) Pyrrhuloxia XeliN zeks Subversion LaXerCannon rastaban OpZ Protactinium chaoser Pandain
chaoser (8) youngminii Roffles SouthRawrea misder citi.zen BrownBear Divinek SiNiquity
Subversion (7) tree.hugger bumatlarge jayme Amber[Light] Infundibulum
DTA d3_crescentia
Amber[Light] (1) Bloody Cobbler
Abstain (2) lakrismamma tricode
People who overlapped on Hyperbola and DTA lynch votes: Pandain Subversion + Show Spoiler +Hyperbola's "Death Post" On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote:Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy:Brown BearShow nested quote +On July 19 2010 06:29 BrownBear wrote: Ahhhh shti!
I am back, sorry. Is it too late to avoid modkill? Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 06:31 BrownBear wrote: Whew, looks like I got back in time. Sorry about that. Time to go read the thread. Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminiiShow nested quote +On July 18 2010 21:01 youngminii wrote: Actually, I'm not going to overlook it. Why would you place a vote on me 'just in case'? Especially after you heard BC say I was a strong player (which citi.zen evidently disagrees with)? You have these two guys criticising my post when it's not even serious, you jump on this bandwagon and then put a placeholder vote on me just in case?
Does this not strike you as scummy at all? Overly scummy but scummy nonetheless? In fact, I think this is the scummiest post I have seen all game (not that long). However, I don't think you're really that bad at this game and even a mediocre scum wouldn't do that kind of mistake. Will need confirmation on other more experienced TL mafia players on your meta. You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquityI had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannonShow nested quote +On July 18 2010 09:30 LaXerCannon wrote:On July 18 2010 09:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: If we randomly pick someone, we have a better chance of getting a blue then a red. Why don't we try voting for who we think is red? It's not like the game will automatically get easier for us as it goes on, since there aren't any clues. Also, at this point everyone's votes are spread out so we are nearly guaranteed an innocent lynch. Getting everyone to agree to vote for the random could be awfully tough.
IF we wanted to do the random thing, we could tie it in advance to something numerical in one or both of the playoff games tonight. Like number of factories made by WeMade players, or that number divided by two, or taking the number of letters in each winning player's ID and looping back to 1 if it goes over 30. It wouldn't be random, but we could independently agree on it, and none of us could influence it in advance. We don't know the distribution of red/blue/green in the list so it is almost as good as random unless the reds get us to agree on a bad number (like maybe they get us to agree on something times 2, which would never land on the first person on the list). We can take this step further by listing inactives in reverse order and numbering them from 1-X, use a number we obtain from the second paragraph and count through the list, looping when needed. I'm getting carried away here... I think lynching an inactive player is the best course of action. I also think we should get a list of players who are new to this mafia game so we know who they are. A new player who's scum can easily hide under that mask; I think it's best we can monitor them from the get go. Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 09:33 LaXerCannon wrote: ##Abstain in case I can't find it within myself to wake up early tomorrow to post (no other time >_>) Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 11:38 LaXerCannon wrote:On July 18 2010 10:40 youngminii wrote:On July 18 2010 10:13 SiNiquity wrote:On July 18 2010 09:59 youngminii wrote:On July 18 2010 09:51 Bill Murray wrote: EVERYONE abstaining? I guess it'd no lynch. Didn't expect that to happen! Okay so everyone should abstain imo. If you have any objections to this idea, please raise it asap because we need everyone to switch their vote to abstaining. Even one vote = lynch and that will be very suspicious of the person who left their vote by 'accident'. ##Unvote Pyrr ##Vote Abstain I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no? On July 18 2010 10:16 Jayme wrote: No-Lynch?
Oh hell no absolutely not.
I don't understand how a no-lynch is beneficial to the town if you're going to kill an inactive anyway. You learn absolutely nothing from it, you don't even have a CHANCE at hitting a red, and you're basically wasting a whole day on nothing.
No lynch is a terrible idea. If we lynch someone on the first day without any good reason there's a solid chance (12/15) that we'll hit a townie. That's 80%. There's also a better chance of lynching a blue than there is of scum. A no lynch is a gift that we should utilize instead of RVS. Bad idea, there's no incentive for town to post -> silent town = dead town Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 16:13 LaXerCannon wrote: playoffs are done for today! my next post will be in....around 16-18 hours. First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k  ~peace + Show Spoiler [DTA's "Death Post"] +On July 22 2010 12:14 DarthThienAn wrote: chaoser, I don't mind dying. Prefer not to, but it's all good if I do.
People to look out for when I flip green: Pyrr. Subversion (still got it out for him). youngminii. tree.hugger who fed me the connection between Sub and youngminii. And if those two are guilty then check out Pandain and citi.zen too.
People who haven't been posting that I remember: d3 zeks Jayme Laxer Amber (maybe?)
I forget who else and can't be bothered to check right now.
Most useful post during the entire night. + <3s. Saved me from backtracking again. I still say night posting is kind of dumb.
How is night posting dumb? It's useful for examining the day that just happened and allows for talking about voting patterns. Once day hits we'll be too busy looking at hits/night actions to even talk about voting from the previous day. At least, it won't be as organized
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I mean it ruins the whole mafia game in a way. In old-school mafia in real life the people would like put their heads down while the night roles did stuff and no one would talk. It's dumb because it ruins the game's vibe I guess.
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Thats because you could then see what the night people were doing if you had your head up. This isnt 5th grade mafia. (Im only saying that because in 5th grade, that's exactly what we would do )
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I didn't learn about Mafia until college
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On July 23 2010 04:36 chaoser wrote: read it for yourself and come up to your own conclusions, I'm not your mom. I'm not even done yet. But if you want, I'll write up a HUGE BIG PIECE OF ANALYSIS LATER if you want ok? Thanks Still waiting eagerly!
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