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On July 23 2010 00:39 Subversion wrote:
Also, what do you mean "how day 2 was supposed to turn out" ? That sounds like it was some kind of orchestrated plan or something.
It actually sounds scummy as hell.
On July 22 2010 13:19 Bill Murray wrote:![[image loading]](http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/chuiu/TLnight.png) The town was a tilting ship adrift in the perfect storm, rolling and toiling with its toll amidst a red cloud of chaos in the morning. There were many options for a lynch after the murder of Foolishness and his wife was framed into a murder-suicide, but three eventually emerged. The sky showed no sign of clearing as rain pelted down onto the cobblestone sidewalks and the asphalt of the crosswalks of the town. People deliberated for minutes, hours, and even days on end in some cases. They finally decided to lynch DarthThienAn who went out with not a bang, but a whimper. ![[image loading]](http://www.staceengland.com/james.jpg) DarthThienAn, Townie, lynched Day 2 It is now nightIf you have night actions, feel free.
I guess the image and the closer text on BM's post wasn't clear enough.
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Subversion: You need to read the thread closer if you want to avoid suspicion on you.
Amber: Subversion is right, saying "How day 2 should have turned out" is actually scummy as hell.
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Subversion was supposed to be lynched. His connections, the people who were supporting him and going against him, were much greater than DTA. Then you have to consider the Chaoser bandwagon from out of left field that caused a huge change in the vote counts.
DTA was playing a role that was so transparent he was guaranteeing his own safety from a mafia hit. Do you really think mafia would disrupt someone who's playing around or someone who's actually benefiting the town? DTA knew what he was up to and he was carefully treading around.
Did I suspect DTA? Yah of course I did, but this lynch didn't teach us a thing! Now we know that DTA was not mafia. Great. Now where do we stand on Day 3? No one has stepped up for a suggestion for a lynch based upon the information gained by killing DTA. There was a plan for killing Subversion. Regardless of his flip we had players that were so devoted to his death/safety.
I'm praying that the DT's made use of this lynch so we can pick out alignment. I feel like the DTA bandwagon was just a bunch of unsure townies who didn't want to be caught in the line of fire. The Subversion vote train was consistent for much of the last two days.
We're pretty much starting Day 2 again tomorrow.
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On July 23 2010 02:42 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Subversion was supposed to be lynched. His connections, the people who were supporting him and going against him, were much greater than DTA. Then you have to consider the Chaoser bandwagon from out of left field that caused a huge change in the vote counts.
Shh... you're getting to close to my involveement n.n.
But I really think one of our plans for day 2 should at least be getting the really inactive people I pointed out to talk more *Cough*Tricode*Cough*.
Anyone else agree?
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On July 23 2010 02:48 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 02:42 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Subversion was supposed to be lynched. His connections, the people who were supporting him and going against him, were much greater than DTA. Then you have to consider the Chaoser bandwagon from out of left field that caused a huge change in the vote counts.
Shh... you're getting to close to my involveement n.n. But I really think one of our plans for day 2 should at least be getting the really inactive people I pointed out to talk more *Cough*Tricode*Cough*. Anyone else agree?
Me. I agree. Kill that douche bag bastard. Please do so.
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On July 23 2010 02:42 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I'm praying that the DT's made use of this lynch so we can pick out alignment.
This should be apparent, but NOBODY SHOULD TELL MEDICS OR DTs WHAT TO DO IN THE THREAD. OR EVEN HINT AT IT. The suicide bomber is still out there.
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On July 23 2010 03:04 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 02:42 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I'm praying that the DT's made use of this lynch so we can pick out alignment. This should be apparent, but NOBODY SHOULD TELL MEDICS OR DTs WHAT TO DO IN THE THREAD. OR EVEN HINT AT IT. The suicide bomber is still out there.
That's why I'm glad we haven't. It's better for the DT's to (hopefully) be on top of their own jobs without us spewing "oh do this." If they feel that what they're doing is better than what's being suggested in the thread then that's fine. The game is relying on their diligence at this point and I've stated what I would expect from the DT's throughout much of the game.
This goes for the other blues as well.
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Pyrrhuloxia vote DTA at 19:16
XeliN vote DTA at 20:25
zeks votes DTA at 20:33 (actually voted DTA at 23:58 the previous KST day)
Subversion votes DTA at 21:20
The 3 votes (pyrr,xelin,sub) jump DTA to the top of the list from 3 to 6
citi.zen votes zeks at 23:38 (says he might vote misder if convinced)
misder unvotes DTA, votes chaoser at 1:32 (drops DTA to 5, chaoser to 4)
Amber[Light] unvotes BB votes Subversion at 1:34 (Subversion at top with 6, BB at 4)
BB votes DTA at 2:22 (DTA ties Subversion at top with 6)
Protactinium abstains at 2:26
LaXerCannon votes DTA at 3:00 (DTA to top with 7)
Lakrismamma votes Roffles at 4:32
BC votes amber at 4:51
Roffles votes chaoser at 5:16 (chaoser to 5)
Lakrismamma votes chaoser at 5:53 (chaoser to 6)
rastaban unvotes BB, abstains at 6:25
Pandian unvotes chaoser, votes Subversion (Subversion ties DTA at 7, chaoser at 5)
citi.zen unvotes zeks, votes chaoser (chaoser at 6)
DTA unvotes Subversion, votes chaoser (DTA, Subversion, Chaoser tie at top in that order)
At this point BrownBear is out of the equation
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i'll post the next part in a bit. I'm 95% sure that list is correct. At that moment, We all tie at top and soon the dancing starts
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BM, can i edit the numbers in my votepattern post? I'm doublechecking and the numbers aren't adding up 100%
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On July 23 2010 03:23 chaoser wrote:
Pyrrhuloxia vote DTA at 19:16
XeliN vote DTA at 20:25
zeks votes DTA at 20:33 (actually voted DTA at 23:58 the previous KST day)
Subversion votes DTA at 21:20
The 3 votes (pyrr,xelin,sub) jump DTA to the top of the list from 3 to 6
citi.zen votes zeks at 23:38 (says he might vote misder if convinced)
misder unvotes DTA, votes chaoser at 1:32 (drops DTA to 5, chaoser to 4)
Amber[Light] unvotes BB votes Subversion at 1:34 (Subversion at top with 6, BB at 4)
BB votes DTA at 2:22 (DTA ties Subversion at top with 6)
Protactinium abstains at 2:26
LaXerCannon votes DTA at 3:00 (DTA to top with 7)
Lakrismamma votes Roffles at 4:32
BC votes amber at 4:51
Roffles votes chaoser at 5:16 (chaoser to 5)
Lakrismamma votes chaoser at 5:53 (chaoser to 6)
rastaban unvotes BB, abstains at 6:25
Pandian unvotes chaoser, votes Subversion (Subversion ties DTA at 7, chaoser at 5)
citi.zen unvotes zeks, votes chaoser (chaoser at 6)
DTA unvotes Subversion, votes chaoser (DTA, Subversion, Chaoser tie at top in that order)
At this point BrownBear is out of the equation
Very nice list, congrats! What does it mean?
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read it for yourself and come up to your own conclusions, I'm not your mom. I'm not even done yet. But if you want, I'll write up a HUGE BIG PIECE OF ANALYSIS LATER if you want ok? Thanks
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On July 23 2010 04:36 chaoser wrote:
read it for yourself and come up to your own conclusions, I'm not your mom. I'm not even done yet. But if you want, I'll write up a HUGE BIG PIECE OF ANALYSIS LATER if you want ok? Thanks
I'll be looking forward to it!
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On July 23 2010 03:08 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 03:04 BrownBear wrote:On July 23 2010 02:42 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I'm praying that the DT's made use of this lynch so we can pick out alignment. This should be apparent, but NOBODY SHOULD TELL MEDICS OR DTs WHAT TO DO IN THE THREAD. OR EVEN HINT AT IT. The suicide bomber is still out there. That's why I'm glad we haven't. It's better for the DT's to (hopefully) be on top of their own jobs without us spewing "oh do this." If they feel that what they're doing is better than what's being suggested in the thread then that's fine. The game is relying on their diligence at this point and I've stated what I would expect from the DT's throughout much of the game. This goes for the other blues as well.
Unless the town comes to some kind of judgement about who to check, then we really don't need to worry too deeply about him. As we all know, just because I say something doesn't mean we're going to do it.
For example, it's important that the town talks about citi.zen and BC. Both are veterans, both are smart, both are good at this game. Also, both have been utterly useless so far, popping in once in a while to tell the town that it's doing it all wrong, without ever adding something concrete. It's that kind of ambiguous grey area of activity and inactivity that the mafia love to hide in.
Of course, Subversion or youngminii would be great checks as well, seeing as how they're both the same color, and it'd be useful to find out what that is.
And surely none of these people would object to them being checked, because they have nothing to fear, right?
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On July 23 2010 05:19 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 03:08 Amber[LighT] wrote:On July 23 2010 03:04 BrownBear wrote:On July 23 2010 02:42 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I'm praying that the DT's made use of this lynch so we can pick out alignment. This should be apparent, but NOBODY SHOULD TELL MEDICS OR DTs WHAT TO DO IN THE THREAD. OR EVEN HINT AT IT. The suicide bomber is still out there. That's why I'm glad we haven't. It's better for the DT's to (hopefully) be on top of their own jobs without us spewing "oh do this." If they feel that what they're doing is better than what's being suggested in the thread then that's fine. The game is relying on their diligence at this point and I've stated what I would expect from the DT's throughout much of the game. This goes for the other blues as well. Unless the town comes to some kind of judgement about who to check, then we really don't need to worry too deeply about him. As we all know, just because I say something doesn't mean we're going to do it. For example, it's important that the town talks about citi.zen and BC. Both are veterans, both are smart, both are good at this game. Also, both have been utterly useless so far, popping in once in a while to tell the town that it's doing it all wrong, without ever adding something concrete. It's that kind of ambiguous grey area of activity and inactivity that the mafia love to hide in. Of course, Subversion or youngminii would be great checks as well, seeing as how they're both the same color, and it'd be useful to find out what that is. And surely none of these people would object to them being checked, because they have nothing to fear, right?
I've actually tried to contribute, it's just that nobody cares to read anything but their own little flame wars. Has there been a single reply to my accusation of misder? Crickets - after asking me why I suspected him even he hasn't followed up at all - why draw attention to yourself when there is not risk of getting lynched? I also thought lynching zeks would be a decent idea, and said that if he is red we could have 2 more strong suspects, remember? Here's one more: look above you at Chaoser's posts. What he is doing is textbook red in my experience. The endless "voting behavior" discussions are a great way for the mafia to distract everyone for pages and pages, but I am yet to see a red "caught" based on it. It does however offer a great way to seem "active" without risking much - all you're doing is summarizing data without even commenting on it (why risk slipping up!). Another subtle and common bit of mafia behavior is to be more dismissive than usual, saying things like "I'm not your mom" or "screw you" rather than respond in a way that encourages further discussion. It works great when it's done by veterans against new players, but everyone does it to some degree. All the while, Chaoser was active and online, even posting in other threads.
Am I being too ambiguous?
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I'm FoSing everyone who's talked about what the DTs should do. Anything that could influence what the DTs or medics do, the SB could pick up on. The SB could then use this information to splat 2 extra people in one night.
So Amber, tree.hugger, citi.zen... shut up now.
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On July 23 2010 05:54 BrownBear wrote:
I'm FoSing everyone who's talked about what the DTs should do. Anything that could influence what the DTs or medics do, the SB could pick up on. The SB could then use this information to splat 2 extra people in one night.
So Amber, tree.hugger, citi.zen... shut up now.
Where did I once mention the DTs? All I said is those people are suspicions to me. If I get killed tonight there might as well be a paper trail.
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Ahh, woops. Since you quoted tree.hugger, I assumed you were following up on what he said about DTs, my bad.
Un-FoSing you, lol
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On July 23 2010 05:46 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 05:19 tree.hugger wrote:On July 23 2010 03:08 Amber[LighT] wrote:On July 23 2010 03:04 BrownBear wrote:On July 23 2010 02:42 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I'm praying that the DT's made use of this lynch so we can pick out alignment. This should be apparent, but NOBODY SHOULD TELL MEDICS OR DTs WHAT TO DO IN THE THREAD. OR EVEN HINT AT IT. The suicide bomber is still out there. That's why I'm glad we haven't. It's better for the DT's to (hopefully) be on top of their own jobs without us spewing "oh do this." If they feel that what they're doing is better than what's being suggested in the thread then that's fine. The game is relying on their diligence at this point and I've stated what I would expect from the DT's throughout much of the game. This goes for the other blues as well. Unless the town comes to some kind of judgement about who to check, then we really don't need to worry too deeply about him. As we all know, just because I say something doesn't mean we're going to do it. For example, it's important that the town talks about citi.zen and BC. Both are veterans, both are smart, both are good at this game. Also, both have been utterly useless so far, popping in once in a while to tell the town that it's doing it all wrong, without ever adding something concrete. It's that kind of ambiguous grey area of activity and inactivity that the mafia love to hide in. Of course, Subversion or youngminii would be great checks as well, seeing as how they're both the same color, and it'd be useful to find out what that is. And surely none of these people would object to them being checked, because they have nothing to fear, right? I've actually tried to contribute, it's just that nobody cares to read anything but their own little flame wars. Has there been a single reply to my accusation of misder? Crickets - after asking me why I suspected him even he hasn't followed up at all - why draw attention to yourself when there is not risk of getting lynched? I also thought lynching zeks would be a decent idea, and said that if he is red we could have 2 more strong suspects, remember? Here's one more: look above you at Chaoser's posts. What he is doing is textbook red in my experience. The endless "voting behavior" discussions are a great way for the mafia to distract everyone for pages and pages, but I am yet to see a red "caught" based on it. It does however offer a great way to seem "active" without risking much - all you're doing is summarizing data without even commenting on it (why risk slipping up!). Another subtle and common bit of mafia behavior is to be more dismissive than usual, saying things like "I'm not your mom" or "screw you" rather than respond in a way that encourages further discussion. It works great when it's done by veterans against new players, but everyone does it to some degree. All the while, Chaoser was active and online, even posting in other threads. Am I being too ambiguous?
I actually followed up on your suscipion of misder/zeks and I've decided that misder is much more town-likely than zeks. Misder I feel is actually contributing while Zeks posts' aren't that praiseworthy much. In addition, I negated the idea of ALL the three of them being mafia (misder,zeks, BC) because as misder says in this post he includes zeks in being under suscipion. Obviously that could just be a mafia ploy, but it does help lend credibility to Misder.
In addition, Misder could be mafia too. Looking over his posts I found a few that are suscipious, but not neccesarily mafia like. Here we see his reasoning ORIGINALLY for voting Hyperbola, but of course I take this to mean a joking sort of vote. He does question Hyperbola but then later unvote him here.
A theory could be laid that Misder wanted to "start" the bandwagon on Hyperbola and than jump out. This could be possible, but I believe it is too early to call such a thing certain.
Even more theories(all speculative) could be laid out supporting him being mafia. For example, in
this post he begins to show how Foolishness's death could have been caused by his posts "accusing people." Misder could just be using this to help the mafia, or he could just be trying to help. Either way, uncertain. More questionable is what you point out that in that post he forgot to include Foolishness's vote for BC.
As of now, should we vote Misder? No. Should we keep an eye on him? Perhaps.
Personally I feel zeks is a better suspect. I've compiled a list of his posts and notes I can share, but as of now they're pretty sloppy and just my thoughts. I'll probably reveal it later.
Finally, as for BC? not sure yet. He's a mafia vet, therefore should be watched closely, but I'm not sure if there are close enough ties to tie him to mafia. Especially a 3 person maifa. Unless you have more posts by BC which could indicate him, I'm more likely to just suspect Zeks.
A note about Zeks: One of the reasons I suspect him is because he's fairly quiet. More so than probably 95% of people.*cough* Tricode *Cough*. Speak up zeks, I'll probably change my mind about you.
So yeah, those are just my thoughts. Just wanted you to know I have been thinking about that post.
In short: Interesting idea, but we need more evidence/posts. I feel like one of the things holding us back is that certain people aren't speaking that often. Does it make them mafia? Certainly not. Can it be indicative of a mafia? Certainly.
These thoughts are certainly not final, and I'm still in the process of analyzing and deciding.
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On July 22 2010 14:05 youngminii wrote:
You know, I have a question and I think this should be public information. My sources tell me that tree.hugger has been spreading misinformation to at least 3 different people via PM and instructing them to vote for certain people. However, I do not believe he's scum.
Tree.hugger, stop PMing others and post it here for everyone to see. Don't just say 'vote for this person' and 'vote for that person', tell them who you're suspicious of and ask them who they're suspicious of. Do not go around giving orders. It also seems as if you're targeting newer players (although I'm not sure about this).
I'm bringing this post back up.
Youngminii, can you clarify something?
According to you, tree hugger is going around deliberately spreading misinformation (an euphemism for "lies"), but you don't think he's red? What do you think he is then? Since when is spreading misinformation a town-sided behavior?
Tree hugger has also replied, but he didn't even acknowledge this above post.
You also seem to know much more than you're letting on here. I wouldn't be surprised if you know the names of a) whoever tree hugger is PMing, and b) whoever he is telling these people to vote for.
Finally, given the necessity of this info to have spread to you via PM (unless you're psychic) it is a bit ironic for you to go and tell someone to "stop PMing others."
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