|
On July 23 2010 10:11 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 04:36 chaoser wrote:
read it for yourself and come up to your own conclusions, I'm not your mom. I'm not even done yet. But if you want, I'll write up a HUGE BIG PIECE OF ANALYSIS LATER if you want ok? Thanks Still waiting eagerly!
OK! Cause I follow your every whim and beck:
When the voting first started, it was just BB and Subversion who were on the chopping block, and they had a decent amount of votes on them too. But then all of a sudden it all shifted off BB and onto me and Darth, Subversion just stayed. From there, the voting trend seems to continue on just me and DTA, with the two of us topping the charts while Subversion is on the top of the list for a mere 7 minutes before slowly dropping to 6 and then back up to 8. I'm not saying he's mafia since he claimed blue but the patterns of voting are definitely suspicious. Maybe it was just random chance, I don't know. But I think out of the four of us, BB, DTA, me, and Subversion, someone is mafia. Either that or we've been fucking ourselves and mafia is just laughing in the background.
If it's the latter we need to look at a few people that pushed for the four of us to be on that vote Pandain for starting mine (sorry, I don't really think you're red but it's gotta get brought up =[, Divinek for jumping votes FOUR times (BB->me->amber->me), prry for DTA, and tree.hugger for PMing different people different things on how to vote, apparently he did this. I know I got a PM from him, I don't know about other people but that's very suspicious if he did and told everyone different things.
|
He didn't tell anyone different things if my assumptions are correct. He said something like "we lynch subversion and we've got youngminii, we lynch DTA and we've got nothing"
Which is such a fucking stupid argument, might I add, and spreading this misinformation via PMs being a horrible way to play.
|
Either way I need more information before I can officially FoS anyone so I'm waiting for night post,and in the meanwhile I guess i'm FomS-ing them?
|
On July 23 2010 10:35 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 10:11 citi.zen wrote:On July 23 2010 04:36 chaoser wrote:
read it for yourself and come up to your own conclusions, I'm not your mom. I'm not even done yet. But if you want, I'll write up a HUGE BIG PIECE OF ANALYSIS LATER if you want ok? Thanks Still waiting eagerly! OK! Cause I follow your every whim and beck: When the voting first started, it was just BB and Subversion who were on the chopping block, and they had a decent amount of votes on them too. But then all of a sudden it all shifted off BB and onto me and Darth, Subversion just stayed. From there, the voting trend seems to continue on just me and DTA, with the two of us topping the charts while Subversion is on the top of the list for a mere 7 minutes before slowly dropping to 6 and then back up to 8. I'm not saying he's mafia since he claimed blue but the patterns of voting are definitely suspicious. Maybe it was just random chance, I don't know. But I think out of the four of us, BB, DTA, me, and Subversion, someone is mafia. Either that or we've been fucking ourselves and mafia is just laughing in the background. If it's the latter we need to look at a few people that pushed for the four of us to be on that vote Pandain for starting mine (sorry, I don't really think you're red but it's gotta get brought up =[, Divinek for jumping votes FOUR times (BB->me->amber->me), prry for DTA, and tree.hugger for PMing different people different things on how to vote, apparently he did this. I know I got a PM from him, I don't know about other people but that's very suspicious if he did and told everyone different things.
Honestly, I felt like neither Subversion or Brownbear were mafia. I feel like we have been screwing over haha. -.-. I sincerely believe we need to start focusing on new people who've been lurking (zeks, Tricode, Jayme to a CERTAIN extent). Ask me questions, question me, sure that's fine. But after that, and during then I'd prefer to save time(after all, if I am mafia there should be a few holes in all I'm saying since I talk SO much. Or maybe I'm just too good  hehe. )
I'm not saying either zeks/tricode are mafia but I AM saying that we need to get the lurkers talking more. I feel like what happened yesterday was the result of mass misinformation and rampant speculation. We need more people talking so we can gather more evidence.
Finally, I got a PM too asking me to change the vote to Subversion. Either Tree.Hugger really, REALLY believes in Subversion being mafia or there's something else going on we don't know about.
|
On July 23 2010 10:35 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 10:11 citi.zen wrote:On July 23 2010 04:36 chaoser wrote:
read it for yourself and come up to your own conclusions, I'm not your mom. I'm not even done yet. But if you want, I'll write up a HUGE BIG PIECE OF ANALYSIS LATER if you want ok? Thanks Still waiting eagerly! OK! Cause I follow your every whim and beck: When the voting first started, it was just BB and Subversion who were on the chopping block, and they had a decent amount of votes on them too. But then all of a sudden it all shifted off BB and onto me and Darth, Subversion just stayed. From there, the voting trend seems to continue on just me and DTA, with the two of us topping the charts while Subversion is on the top of the list for a mere 7 minutes before slowly dropping to 6 and then back up to 8. I'm not saying he's mafia since he claimed blue but the patterns of voting are definitely suspicious. Maybe it was just random chance, I don't know. But I think out of the four of us, BB, DTA, me, and Subversion, someone is mafia. Either that or we've been fucking ourselves and mafia is just laughing in the background. If it's the latter we need to look at a few people that pushed for the four of us to be on that vote Pandain for starting mine (sorry, I don't really think you're red but it's gotta get brought up =[, Divinek for jumping votes FOUR times (BB->me->amber->me), prry for DTA, and tree.hugger for PMing different people different things on how to vote, apparently he did this. I know I got a PM from him, I don't know about other people but that's very suspicious if he did and told everyone different things.
well my vote jump went something like this
i voted bb as soon as it was day cause he was being a little shitter and i don rike dat.
then i voted you cause i figured you were our best lynch candidate and had perhaps the most against you of anything presented so far. But as you people started to defend yourselves it became clear to me we were definitely in danger of lynching a townie since the votes were so even it wouldnt take much for the mob to sway the votes, and there really wasnt too strong of a case on any of you. So i voted for amber as i truely believed him to deserve my vote at that point
Then my last vote switch back to you was only to try and save darth because i knew with fairly good certainty he was town, even if he was being a dumb townie, at this point while i was still unsure of you other two.
|
So right now the consensus to move to tricode/zeks/amber/misder? Sigh...wtf did we do on day 2 then...
|
On July 23 2010 10:51 chaoser wrote:
So right now the consensus to move to tricode/zeks/amber/misder? Sigh...wtf did we do on day 2 then...
Yup, that's the problem. We fuddled up day2.
Theres a chance that one of the 3 remaining lynch suspects from day two are ACTUALLY mafia, but as of now it's too hard to tell which one. I for one feel it would be much better to focus on the quiet ones in this game, in order to at least get them to talk.
Unless anyone disagrees with me, I think that should be our plan.
|
I'm trying to contribute as much as I can and I have been reading. If you have any questions for me Pandain feel free to ask me I'll answer them as best I can.
I'm not just gonna post whatever pops up in my mind for like 2 seconds give me some time to absorb all this information. For every one good post I have to sort out 4 irrelevant ones.
For the record tree.hugger never PMed me. Perhaps I'm so quiet he thought I had limited influence over town. Seems like he picked select people to try to change the voting...maybe he's DT and Subversion flipped red? Just a random thought
|
Re: the tree.hugger thing... everyone who got a PM should post it, and we can see if they match up.
|
On July 23 2010 10:37 youngminii wrote:
He didn't tell anyone different things if my assumptions are correct. He said something like "we lynch subversion and we've got youngminii, we lynch DTA and we've got nothing"
Which is such a fucking stupid argument, might I add, and spreading this misinformation via PMs being a horrible way to play.
Are you going to answer my questions above?
|
On July 23 2010 10:54 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 10:51 chaoser wrote:
So right now the consensus to move to tricode/zeks/amber/misder? Sigh...wtf did we do on day 2 then... Yup, that's the problem. We fuddled up day2. Theres a chance that one of the 3 remaining lynch suspects from day two are ACTUALLY mafia, but as of now it's too hard to tell which one. I for one feel it would be much better to focus on the quiet ones in this game, in order to at least get them to talk. Unless anyone disagrees with me, I think that should be our plan.
I'd like to wait till the Night is done (does it end at 13:00 KST again or was that a one time thing?) before deciding on targets. Bandwagons start this way, you know. Hopefully we'll get a good check result back, but if not let's see...
Tricode just seems bored. His self-kill comment just makes it seem like he's bored, but he could just be fooling around.
zeks is pretty inactive; need to see him post more and about his own thoughts instead of going along with the flow.
Not sure on Amber, have to continue reading.
Misder is going to be out for a while, so we won't be able to hear anything from (I'm assuming it's a him?) him. Beating a dead horse is kind of mean, as well, but this is Mafia. Through skimming his posts I don't find anything overtly Mafia about him. He does seem slightly tied to BloodyC0bbler though.
|
On July 23 2010 10:56 zeks wrote:
I'm trying to contribute as much as I can and I have been reading. If you have any questions for me Pandain feel free to ask me I'll answer them as best I can.
I'm not just gonna post whatever pops up in my mind for like 2 seconds give me some time to absorb all this information. For every one good post I have to sort out 4 irrelevant ones.
For the record tree.hugger never PMed me. Perhaps I'm so quiet he thought I had limited influence over town. Seems like he picked select people to try to change the voting...maybe he's DT and Subversion flipped red? Just a random thought
the thing is it's hard to ask question when you havent posted much ya know, unless we are directly asking your opinion of certain things that happened which is tedious to ask each person specifically things like that
|
Night ends 12 EST so that's 13:00 KST i think
|
On July 23 2010 11:01 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 10:54 Pandain wrote:On July 23 2010 10:51 chaoser wrote:
So right now the consensus to move to tricode/zeks/amber/misder? Sigh...wtf did we do on day 2 then... Yup, that's the problem. We fuddled up day2. Theres a chance that one of the 3 remaining lynch suspects from day two are ACTUALLY mafia, but as of now it's too hard to tell which one. I for one feel it would be much better to focus on the quiet ones in this game, in order to at least get them to talk. Unless anyone disagrees with me, I think that should be our plan. I'd like to wait till the Night is done (does it end at 13:00 KST again or was that a one time thing?) before deciding on targets. Bandwagons start this way, you know. Hopefully we'll get a good check result back, but if not let's see...
Absolutely agree, that's why my plan is not to LYNCH these people, just attempt to get them to talk more. We can decide on those decisions later. Can't even vote until day anyway.
Also, I'm just going to post the original PM tree.hugger sent me. Won't send any more unless there's something suscipious going on.
I want people to keep in mind however that this might not be suscipious at all, I mean, he did tell me he PMed "pretty much everybody". Don't know who exactly though.
With that, Tree Huggers initial PM
Original Message:
I'm convinced that Subversion is mafia, but you're not. Fair enough. But as Infund points out, this is a classic case of putting a group of people to the test. Subversion has an almost cult following of defenders, and if he flips red, they all go, and it's literally gg no re, town wins. If he flips green, then we can probably call all those people innocent.
There's nobody else who's quite as valuable a lynch. This DTA bandwagon has sprouted up, for absolutely no reason. If all these people are convinced for his guilt, now, why didn't they say so earlier? Nothing has changed since then, except for the heat we've put on Subversion (mafia, imo.)
This is too good an opportunity to pass up. We drew him out, and if we catch him, then a whole lot of other people are in the same net.
|
don't post PMs till morning...
|
Theory that one of BB/chaoser/Subversion is scum (proposed by chaoser):
Now we know BB fell out of the danger zone early. What I found surprising was how tight the voting was for chaoser/Subversion/DTA up until the very end. I am inclined to think that at such an early point of the game - if a scum was actually on the chopping block his scum buddies would probably feel a stronger urgency to save him and thus stack on the other lynch candidate.
However the voting remained tight till the very end so I think it didn't matter who died in mafia's eyes since they were all town. Out of chaoser/Subversion/DTA Subversion probably had a little bit of slack in terms of voting; but if chaoser was scum I don't think the mafia would dare play with that fine line and probably have more of them stack on DTA to ensure that chaoser lives...but the vote count difference was miniscule which is why I'm starting to think chaoser is clear.
In fact out of (chaoser/Subversion/BB) I probably suspect BB the most, but not to a very strong degree just on the basis of the voting trend shift. Not very confident in my statement yet
|
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On July 23 2010 10:54 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 10:51 chaoser wrote:
So right now the consensus to move to tricode/zeks/amber/misder? Sigh...wtf did we do on day 2 then... Yup, that's the problem. We fuddled up day2. Theres a chance that one of the 3 remaining lynch suspects from day two are ACTUALLY mafia, but as of now it's too hard to tell which one. I for one feel it would be much better to focus on the quiet ones in this game, in order to at least get them to talk. Unless anyone disagrees with me, I think that should be our plan.
If by "we" you mean "I, Pandain" then yeah, that's right.
And I stand by that reasoning, and pretty much everything I've posted in the thread so far. Nothing I've seen from any of my suspects or Foolishness' makes me think any differently of them.
|
On July 23 2010 11:11 chaoser wrote:
don't post PMs till morning...
How do you know it was a PM?
Maybe I'm a psychotic liar.
Didn't think about that, did you?
|
On July 23 2010 11:13 Pandain wrote:How do you know it was a PM? Maybe I'm a psychotic liar. Didn't think about that, did you?
Maybe we're all in a dream and the idea that that PM was sent to you was planted. Maybe this game is a lie. MaybRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
|
On July 23 2010 11:15 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 11:13 Pandain wrote:On July 23 2010 11:11 chaoser wrote:
don't post PMs till morning... How do you know it was a PM? Maybe I'm a psychotic liar. Didn't think about that, did you? Maybe we're all in a dream and the idea that that PM was sent to you was planted. Maybe this game is a lie. MaybRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
There is no cake! :O
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
