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On July 23 2010 13:24 chaoser wrote:
Also, where have you EVER heard someone say "I'm excited about the kills"? This is the same person who said "mafia made no mistakes so far". Gloating as mafia/being excited for kills (WHICH NO TOWNIE SHOULD BE SINCE DEATHS=LESS OF US) is VERY SCUMMY
I would like you to find the post in which I said "mafia made no mistakes so far". I also do not recall saying "I'm excited about the kills", but I sure am excited to see Day 3 and what happened on Night 2.
Please don't pull things out of your ass and please stop coming to false conclusions. Thanks.
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On July 23 2010 13:27 chaoser wrote:
By the way, I was on top of the lynch list for a VERY long time while Subversion slowly moved down to 6 VOTES while me and DTA were up at 9 ish. At the end he moves to 8. That's what I mean when I say would mafia leave it so damn close. If i was mafia, I'd be as safe as Subversion. One vote my way from DTA's group would have killed me.
Weak argument. Endless possibilities.
All mafia were stacked on DTA's group and hence could not help you.
Mafia are noob and do not want to be exposed as mafia so they purposely do not help you since DTA is still leading the vote list.
Mafia are AFK.
etc.
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On July 23 2010 13:30 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 13:27 youngminii wrote:On July 23 2010 13:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 23 2010 13:09 youngminii wrote:
How am I dodging the question? Do I seriously have to quote it again? The answer's right there.
What am I refusing to share? Obviously I'm going to be hostile when my scum suspects are ganging up on me, no shit. Why don't you stop dodging MY question and answer how am I dodging the question? How am I refusing to share information? How am I being uncooperative? Look, this is every post you made between the Tree Hugger PM post and the post where you answered me saying you had "already answered the question: + Show Spoiler [posts] +On July 22 2010 14:09 youngminii wrote:
Oh yeah, I forgot the most important part: the question. Pretty much, why are you doing this via PM when you can just do it publicly in the thread? Is it because you're avoiding any counter arguments so that your PM recipients will have an easier time believing/trusting you or is it something else? On July 22 2010 14:12 youngminii wrote:
Ya I'd have asked for protection too but that's literally giving suicide bomber free medic kills. On July 22 2010 14:31 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 14:27 Roffles wrote:On July 22 2010 14:05 youngminii wrote:
You know, I have a question and I think this should be public information. My sources tell me that tree.hugger has been spreading misinformation to at least 3 different people via PM and instructing them to vote for certain people. However, I do not believe he's scum.
Tree.hugger, stop PMing others and post it here for everyone to see. Don't just say 'vote for this person' and 'vote for that person', tell them who you're suspicious of and ask them who they're suspicious of. Do not go around giving orders. It also seems as if you're targeting newer players (although I'm not sure about this). Yawn, you can count me in on that as well. I however don't pay much attention to PMs and I kinda just said screw it to what he wanted me to do. I don't understand why he's doing that. I just, I don't even... On July 22 2010 14:54 youngminii wrote:
I dunno I feel as if I'll get NK'd tonight. My spidey senses are tingling. On July 22 2010 14:58 youngminii wrote:
Don't want to bring back the useless debate, ignoring your post. On July 22 2010 15:25 youngminii wrote: I hope you enjoy reading. On July 23 2010 09:01 youngminii wrote:
Don't edit at all in any situation for any reason without BM's approval. On July 23 2010 10:37 youngminii wrote:
He didn't tell anyone different things if my assumptions are correct. He said something like "we lynch subversion and we've got youngminii, we lynch DTA and we've got nothing"
Which is such a fucking stupid argument, might I add, and spreading this misinformation via PMs being a horrible way to play. Like I said, the answer wasn't in there even though you said it was. If you'll notice this game I have never once said I thought you were red. I have been asking you questions, because you've been making some out of the ordinary posts. Your reactions to these questions have generally been hostile, uncooperative (see: the reply I am quoting) and overall it seems like you think I don't like you or something. Which personally, I don't understand. I'm a pretty friendly guy. But when my questions are met with you saying things like "this is the scummiest post ever," or "you are fucking bad," - which are things you have actually typed in this thread, paraphrased - is it any wonder why I don't think you're meeting me on equal grounds here? Now, maybe I really am a fucking idiot, but that explanation you gave previously didn't make any sense to me and I and probably several others would like it if you could just be clear about things instead of saying "I'm not dodging the question" while continuing to dodge the question! Look, if you really are town, your abrasive reactions aren't helping you at all and will help you get lynched more than anything I could ever muster. And there really hasn't been that much pressure on you at all this game, so I'd hate to see you react under actual intense scrutiny. On July 23 2010 12:05 youngminii wrote:On July 23 2010 07:44 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
ebwop: i mean, if i knew as much as this as you did, i'd be strongly suspecting tree.hugger of being mafia right now. but you don't suspect him. why? There's no reason for scum to pin me along with Subversion. If Subversion is scum, then tree.hugger wouldn't be lynching him (unless it's epically bad bussing). If Subversion's isn't scum, then what's the point of 'pinning' me to Subversion? It makes no logical sense. Now I'm just getting annoyed because you seem to be fucking blind. I've said this three times already. Go read the mafia manifesto or something. Youngminii post response generator v 0.89bOutput: you are the scummiest bad player ever, can you even read? Your play is so awful I don't understand? Accept output [y/n]
I would like to ask you the same question. Please read my post at least 3 times carefully and then wisely respond.
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On July 23 2010 13:31 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 13:29 youngminii wrote:On July 23 2010 13:24 chaoser wrote:
Also, where have you EVER heard someone say "I'm excited about the kills"? This is the same person who said "mafia made no mistakes so far". Gloating as mafia/being excited for kills (WHICH NO TOWNIE SHOULD BE SINCE DEATHS=LESS OF US) is VERY SCUMMY I would like you to find the post in which I said "mafia made no mistakes so far". I also do not recall saying "I'm excited about the kills", but I sure am excited to see Day 3 and what happened on Night 2. Please don't pull things out of your ass and please stop coming to false conclusions. Thanks. Nah Youngmini both of these things happened. But it doesn't matter because Chaoser is totally drawing huge speculations from these sentences. I mean, I'm excited about the kills too. He thinks he was killed, why wouldn't he be excited?
Okay now you're getting me quite annoyed. I have never said mafia made no mistakes so far. Plus even if I did it doesn't mean anything, thanks.
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That's so dumb holy fucking Christ. Apologies for the mess I made.
Anyway, back to chaoser. Why are you bringing up subversion?
Also, where have you EVER heard someone say "I'm excited about the kills"? This is the same person who said "mafia made no mistakes so far". Gloating as mafia/being excited for kills (WHICH NO TOWNIE SHOULD BE SINCE DEATHS=LESS OF US) is VERY SCUMMY
I don't see what this has to do with anything we were talking about. Subversion's scumness doesn't have a thing to do with what I said previously.
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I have to ask, why is everyone saying calm down?
Nothing's personal, no one's 'attacked' anyone verbally, the only things that have been happening are accusations and argumentative responses. The only thing I can see that may be seen as offensive is where infundiblxublxjum and I said read our posts, which isn't offensive at all, considering we didn't say anything like 'read my posts you fuckin dumb blind moron' or anything.
This is mafia. This is a game of deceiving and lying and scumhunting. Aggression is a style of play and I don't see why we're being told to tone it down.
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On July 23 2010 13:43 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 13:32 youngminii wrote:On July 23 2010 13:30 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 23 2010 13:27 youngminii wrote:On July 23 2010 13:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 23 2010 13:09 youngminii wrote:
How am I dodging the question? Do I seriously have to quote it again? The answer's right there.
What am I refusing to share? Obviously I'm going to be hostile when my scum suspects are ganging up on me, no shit. Why don't you stop dodging MY question and answer how am I dodging the question? How am I refusing to share information? How am I being uncooperative? Look, this is every post you made between the Tree Hugger PM post and the post where you answered me saying you had "already answered the question: + Show Spoiler [posts] +On July 22 2010 14:09 youngminii wrote:
Oh yeah, I forgot the most important part: the question. Pretty much, why are you doing this via PM when you can just do it publicly in the thread? Is it because you're avoiding any counter arguments so that your PM recipients will have an easier time believing/trusting you or is it something else? On July 22 2010 14:12 youngminii wrote:
Ya I'd have asked for protection too but that's literally giving suicide bomber free medic kills. On July 22 2010 14:31 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 14:27 Roffles wrote:On July 22 2010 14:05 youngminii wrote:
You know, I have a question and I think this should be public information. My sources tell me that tree.hugger has been spreading misinformation to at least 3 different people via PM and instructing them to vote for certain people. However, I do not believe he's scum.
Tree.hugger, stop PMing others and post it here for everyone to see. Don't just say 'vote for this person' and 'vote for that person', tell them who you're suspicious of and ask them who they're suspicious of. Do not go around giving orders. It also seems as if you're targeting newer players (although I'm not sure about this). Yawn, you can count me in on that as well. I however don't pay much attention to PMs and I kinda just said screw it to what he wanted me to do. I don't understand why he's doing that. I just, I don't even... On July 22 2010 14:54 youngminii wrote:
I dunno I feel as if I'll get NK'd tonight. My spidey senses are tingling. On July 22 2010 14:58 youngminii wrote:
Don't want to bring back the useless debate, ignoring your post. On July 22 2010 15:25 youngminii wrote: I hope you enjoy reading. On July 23 2010 09:01 youngminii wrote:
Don't edit at all in any situation for any reason without BM's approval. On July 23 2010 10:37 youngminii wrote:
He didn't tell anyone different things if my assumptions are correct. He said something like "we lynch subversion and we've got youngminii, we lynch DTA and we've got nothing"
Which is such a fucking stupid argument, might I add, and spreading this misinformation via PMs being a horrible way to play. Like I said, the answer wasn't in there even though you said it was. If you'll notice this game I have never once said I thought you were red. I have been asking you questions, because you've been making some out of the ordinary posts. Your reactions to these questions have generally been hostile, uncooperative (see: the reply I am quoting) and overall it seems like you think I don't like you or something. Which personally, I don't understand. I'm a pretty friendly guy. But when my questions are met with you saying things like "this is the scummiest post ever," or "you are fucking bad," - which are things you have actually typed in this thread, paraphrased - is it any wonder why I don't think you're meeting me on equal grounds here? Now, maybe I really am a fucking idiot, but that explanation you gave previously didn't make any sense to me and I and probably several others would like it if you could just be clear about things instead of saying "I'm not dodging the question" while continuing to dodge the question! Look, if you really are town, your abrasive reactions aren't helping you at all and will help you get lynched more than anything I could ever muster. And there really hasn't been that much pressure on you at all this game, so I'd hate to see you react under actual intense scrutiny. On July 23 2010 12:05 youngminii wrote:On July 23 2010 07:44 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
ebwop: i mean, if i knew as much as this as you did, i'd be strongly suspecting tree.hugger of being mafia right now. but you don't suspect him. why? There's no reason for scum to pin me along with Subversion. If Subversion is scum, then tree.hugger wouldn't be lynching him (unless it's epically bad bussing). If Subversion's isn't scum, then what's the point of 'pinning' me to Subversion? It makes no logical sense. Now I'm just getting annoyed because you seem to be fucking blind. I've said this three times already. Go read the mafia manifesto or something. Youngminii post response generator v 0.89bOutput: you are the scummiest bad player ever, can you even read? Your play is so awful I don't understand? Accept output [y/n] I would like to ask you the same question. Please read my post at least 3 times carefully and then wisely respond. i'm still working out the bugs in the code
Okay since apparently I'm being too angry here, I'll stop saying read my posts and I'll explain it for you.
The reason I don't believe tree.hugger is scum is because very early in the game I received a PM explaining what tree.hugger has been saying to people.
He said (as you should already know) that if subversion is scum, then I am scum too. He also that that if DTA is scum, then I'm still unknown.
Now the reason I don't think tree.hugger is scum (I simply think he's a bad town) is because of the following scenarios.
1) Tree.hugger and subversion are both scum
In this case, tree.hugger would be doing a very bad form of bussing as he's telling everyone (needlessly) to lynch subversion. Then he would be able to get a lynch off me since he's telling everyone that I'm connected to subversion (I don't even know how that works) but no scum is stupid enough to do this form of play.
2) Tree.hugger is scum and subversion is town
Well, tree.hugger COULD just be spreading this information to lynch subversion. But then that removes the possibility of being able to lynch me (in the near future). There's no reason for scum to needlessly link me to subversion if subversion is town, because that rules out the theory of me being scum too.
3) Tree.hugger is town and subversion is scum/town
Tree.hugger is bad town spreading information via PM by fortune of bad play. Most likely.
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I'd rather save double lynch for when we're sure we have 2 scum (in my mind I can already think of two ) and those two would probably come from a DT. But we do have two double lynches so I guess I'll just see what happens before I vote for it.
I agree that the timing of the votes made it seem like subversion was 'saved' but there's the equal possibility of them simply being townies that voted for chaoser. It's a weak argument by me but an argument nonetheless.
As for the newbie card, I have mixed feelings about it. I think I've already said this but I used to follow a policy of ignoring the newbie card and always lynching the person because they seemed the most suspicious. This doesn't actually work very well as the people using the newbie card are usually.. Well.. Newbies. So I do believe it and I'll actually be quite surprised if he flips red.
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On July 23 2010 14:07 BrownBear wrote:
Hmm fair point. Alright, I'll bite. I also agree that we should have enough info by 3 real-life days from now to lynch, so
##Vote: Abstain
##Vote: Double Lynch
(the abstain will change, obviously, but just incase some disaster happens it would be nice to cover all my bases)
Unfortunately they're invalid because it's still night 
Or is it like, twilight/dawn or something.
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The real question is why would vigilante hit any of these three? It makes no sense. There was no spotlight on any of them and they didn't really shine a spotlight at anyone (well BC said some things a while back).
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Bad idea. Scum can easily counter-claim. BC could be scum faking the vigi hit. And what's with the d3 being included o.o?
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On July 23 2010 14:38 Pandain wrote:
I think if the Vigi didn't make a hit, they should claim so now.
If they don't claim so now, then BC is NOT lying.
I think that's a solid inference.
No.
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I don't think B) is true. It's extremely unlikely that there is a Vigilante that is bad enough to waste their kill so early in the game with such little evidence. I have my own reservations on whether or not I believe your claim but A) seems to be the most likely at this point in time.
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20/24 town-aligned players alive
2/2 Veterans alive
2/2 Town KP roles alive
1/2 Medic alive
2/2 DTs alive
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Oh.
@BM: You forgot to cross out DTA, there's only 19/24 town aligned players left
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On July 23 2010 14:48 chaoser wrote:
I do however know that a Vigi hit SOMEONE tonight. That Vigi should claim since they are regular townie now and say who they hit and why. Mafia doesn't gain anything from them claiming, I think. Also, if it's a false claim, real Vigi can always claim as well and then we have a 1 v 1. Either way, one mafia is dying if they fake claim. I'm also going to go to sleep but I feel I have enough evidence to compile a case against someone by tomorrow morning
There's no way of us knowing whether or not the claim is true or false. There may or may not be one or two Vigis and even then 2 scum can step up and counter claim.
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I think everyone has to take a step back and stop putting all their faith into BC's claim. In the game I played previously (Godfather mafia) I was DT and I claimed because I had found the Godfather. However, people were still wary of my claim and if I was in fact, scum false claiming then scum would have won the game 100%.
You have to take in the whole picture and think about the possibility that BC is false claiming. He could just be claiming as it'll give him instant 'credibility'. He could be claiming to derail the flame war that happened between me, infundiblusdcxum and chaoser (which my paranoid little self is tending to learn towards). He could be claiming to just create confusion within the town. He could be claiming because mafia have this awesome scheme planned for the game ahead of us. Or his claim can be real.
Just don't forget the possibility of his claim being fake. Don't rush to form any PM trust circles with him. There's quite a chance he's Godfather and that he chose Vet from the start if he's going to make such a bold false claim.
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On July 23 2010 14:53 Subversion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 14:40 youngminii wrote:On July 23 2010 14:38 Pandain wrote:
I think if the Vigi didn't make a hit, they should claim so now.
If they don't claim so now, then BC is NOT lying.
I think that's a solid inference. No. Please stop doing this. It's really annoying. "No." is not a post that contributes anything.
Point taken.
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Wait why didn't you just hit me if you thought I was scum? I'm so confused?
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Wait so you hit him for the sake of your own personal desire to one day kill BC? If this is true I'd so totally ban you right now if this were my game.
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