EPTOn July 22 2010 15:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
pandain its not daytime, you can't vote right now....
pandain its not daytime, you can't vote right now....
Oh... hehe.
##Unvote Though I guess I never had it in the first place.
Stil, zeks, be more zctive!
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Oh... hehe. ##Unvote Though I guess I never had it in the first place. Stil, zeks, be more zctive! | ||
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On July 22 2010 16:03 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Hmm he's usually more active than that, but not super active, probably less than average. Could be due to some distraction / bored townie. Worth looking into, though. Voting Zeks on inactivity didn't make too much sense to me though, I think there are more inactive people, though I haven't been scientific about it, yet. Like how many posts does Jayme have? Or lakrasmamma, who couldn't even be bothered to figure out who to vote for? Oh I just wanted to vote him into getting him to talk more. Unless he did some crazy slip up I wasn't going to keep it there. As for Jayme. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Jayme That's her/his public profile. Just go to posts from there. His posts are better quality at the least though, which is why I'm more suspicious of Zeks/Tricode. | ||
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On July 22 2010 16:05 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Hmm I tried searching "Jayme" in both the username bar and the keyword bar, and in the username bar with mafia in the keyword bar and it didn't work. Oh when you search only put the name it in the Username bar. And then make sure you have "content only" | ||
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On July 22 2010 16:29 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Ok thanks. Looks like way more posts than six. Omg you right. His new post "Why?" has earned him the long coveted award of 7 posts. I tip my hat to you sir. | ||
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On July 23 2010 02:42 Amber[LighT] wrote: Subversion was supposed to be lynched. His connections, the people who were supporting him and going against him, were much greater than DTA. Then you have to consider the Chaoser bandwagon from out of left field that caused a huge change in the vote counts. Shh... you're getting to close to my involveement n.n. But I really think one of our plans for day 2 should at least be getting the really inactive people I pointed out to talk more *Cough*Tricode*Cough*. Anyone else agree? | ||
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On July 23 2010 05:46 citi.zen wrote: I've actually tried to contribute, it's just that nobody cares to read anything but their own little flame wars. Has there been a single reply to my accusation of misder? Crickets - after asking me why I suspected him even he hasn't followed up at all - why draw attention to yourself when there is not risk of getting lynched? I also thought lynching zeks would be a decent idea, and said that if he is red we could have 2 more strong suspects, remember? Here's one more: look above you at Chaoser's posts. What he is doing is textbook red in my experience. The endless "voting behavior" discussions are a great way for the mafia to distract everyone for pages and pages, but I am yet to see a red "caught" based on it. It does however offer a great way to seem "active" without risking much - all you're doing is summarizing data without even commenting on it (why risk slipping up!). Another subtle and common bit of mafia behavior is to be more dismissive than usual, saying things like "I'm not your mom" or "screw you" rather than respond in a way that encourages further discussion. It works great when it's done by veterans against new players, but everyone does it to some degree. All the while, Chaoser was active and online, even posting in other threads. Am I being too ambiguous? I actually followed up on your suscipion of misder/zeks and I've decided that misder is much more town-likely than zeks. Misder I feel is actually contributing while Zeks posts' aren't that praiseworthy much. In addition, I negated the idea of ALL the three of them being mafia (misder,zeks, BC) because as misder says in this post he includes zeks in being under suscipion. Obviously that could just be a mafia ploy, but it does help lend credibility to Misder. In addition, Misder could be mafia too. Looking over his posts I found a few that are suscipious, but not neccesarily mafia like. Here we see his reasoning ORIGINALLY for voting Hyperbola, but of course I take this to mean a joking sort of vote. He does question Hyperbola but then later unvote him here. A theory could be laid that Misder wanted to "start" the bandwagon on Hyperbola and than jump out. This could be possible, but I believe it is too early to call such a thing certain. Even more theories(all speculative) could be laid out supporting him being mafia. For example, in this post he begins to show how Foolishness's death could have been caused by his posts "accusing people." Misder could just be using this to help the mafia, or he could just be trying to help. Either way, uncertain. More questionable is what you point out that in that post he forgot to include Foolishness's vote for BC. As of now, should we vote Misder? No. Should we keep an eye on him? Perhaps. Personally I feel zeks is a better suspect. I've compiled a list of his posts and notes I can share, but as of now they're pretty sloppy and just my thoughts. I'll probably reveal it later. Finally, as for BC? not sure yet. He's a mafia vet, therefore should be watched closely, but I'm not sure if there are close enough ties to tie him to mafia. Especially a 3 person maifa. Unless you have more posts by BC which could indicate him, I'm more likely to just suspect Zeks. A note about Zeks: One of the reasons I suspect him is because he's fairly quiet. More so than probably 95% of people.*cough* Tricode *Cough*. Speak up zeks, I'll probably change my mind about you. So yeah, those are just my thoughts. Just wanted you to know I have been thinking about that post. In short: Interesting idea, but we need more evidence/posts. I feel like one of the things holding us back is that certain people aren't speaking that often. Does it make them mafia? Certainly not. Can it be indicative of a mafia? Certainly. These thoughts are certainly not final, and I'm still in the process of analyzing and deciding. | ||
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On July 23 2010 08:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Also, some collected important info: + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Votes] + Divinek Pandain SiNiquity bumatlarge Brownbear Subversion Youngminii (5) XeliN Amber[Light] Roffles Infundibulum Jayme Abstain (6) LaXerCannon tricode SouthRawrea chaoser protactinium zeks DTA (3) d3_crescentia Pyrrhuloxia tree.hugger ketomai (2) citi.zen lakrismamma Amber[Light] (1) BloodyCobbler (2) OpZ LaXerCannon (1) Misder Citi.zen (1) rastaban SiNiquity (1) Pandain (1) BloodyCobbler Infundibulum (1) youngminii + Show Spoiler [Day 2 votes] + Pyrrhuloxia XeliN zeks Subversion LaXerCannon rastaban OpZ Protactinium chaoser Pandain chaoser (8) youngminii Roffles SouthRawrea misder citi.zen BrownBear Divinek SiNiquity Subversion (7) tree.hugger bumatlarge jayme Amber[Light] Infundibulum d3_crescentia Amber[Light] (1) Bloody Cobbler Abstain (2) lakrismamma tricode People who overlapped on Hyperbola and DTA lynch votes: Pandain Subversion + Show Spoiler + Hyperbola's "Death Post" On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote: Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy: Brown Bear Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminii You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquity I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannon First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k  ~peace + Show Spoiler [DTA's "Death Post"] + On July 22 2010 12:14 DarthThienAn wrote: chaoser, I don't mind dying. Prefer not to, but it's all good if I do. People to look out for when I flip green: Pyrr. Subversion (still got it out for him). youngminii. tree.hugger who fed me the connection between Sub and youngminii. And if those two are guilty then check out Pandain and citi.zen too. People who haven't been posting that I remember: d3 zeks Jayme Laxer Amber (maybe?) I forget who else and can't be bothered to check right now. I'm not sure if their death posts will really help at all. I mean, if they were killed like Foolishness than yeah it would certainly help point us in the right direction, but since they were lynched it seems unlikely to me the death post would serve as anything other than a normal, contributive post. Unless you assume that their death post contributed to them being lynched(aka mafia bandwagon?), do you mean this? Even so, I doubt the mafia would be so risky as to bandwagon because of a post that was made because they knew they were going to die. Rest of the post is very useful though, interetsing too. Also, tree.hugger, I would very much like to hear your response from youngmini. | ||
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On July 23 2010 10:35 chaoser wrote: OK! Cause I follow your every whim and beck: When the voting first started, it was just BB and Subversion who were on the chopping block, and they had a decent amount of votes on them too. But then all of a sudden it all shifted off BB and onto me and Darth, Subversion just stayed. From there, the voting trend seems to continue on just me and DTA, with the two of us topping the charts while Subversion is on the top of the list for a mere 7 minutes before slowly dropping to 6 and then back up to 8. I'm not saying he's mafia since he claimed blue but the patterns of voting are definitely suspicious. Maybe it was just random chance, I don't know. But I think out of the four of us, BB, DTA, me, and Subversion, someone is mafia. Either that or we've been fucking ourselves and mafia is just laughing in the background. If it's the latter we need to look at a few people that pushed for the four of us to be on that vote Pandain for starting mine (sorry, I don't really think you're red but it's gotta get brought up =[, Divinek for jumping votes FOUR times (BB->me->amber->me), prry for DTA, and tree.hugger for PMing different people different things on how to vote, apparently he did this. I know I got a PM from him, I don't know about other people but that's very suspicious if he did and told everyone different things. Honestly, I felt like neither Subversion or Brownbear were mafia. I feel like we have been screwing over haha. -.-. I sincerely believe we need to start focusing on new people who've been lurking (zeks, Tricode, Jayme to a CERTAIN extent). Ask me questions, question me, sure that's fine. But after that, and during then I'd prefer to save time(after all, if I am mafia there should be a few holes in all I'm saying since I talk SO much. Or maybe I'm just too good  hehe. ) I'm not saying either zeks/tricode are mafia but I AM saying that we need to get the lurkers talking more. I feel like what happened yesterday was the result of mass misinformation and rampant speculation. We need more people talking so we can gather more evidence. Finally, I got a PM too asking me to change the vote to Subversion. Either Tree.Hugger really, REALLY believes in Subversion being mafia or there's something else going on we don't know about. | ||
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On July 23 2010 10:51 chaoser wrote: So right now the consensus to move to tricode/zeks/amber/misder? Sigh...wtf did we do on day 2 then... Yup, that's the problem. We fuddled up day2. Theres a chance that one of the 3 remaining lynch suspects from day two are ACTUALLY mafia, but as of now it's too hard to tell which one. I for one feel it would be much better to focus on the quiet ones in this game, in order to at least get them to talk. Unless anyone disagrees with me, I think that should be our plan. | ||
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On July 23 2010 11:01 Protactinium wrote: I'd like to wait till the Night is done (does it end at 13:00 KST again or was that a one time thing?) before deciding on targets. Bandwagons start this way, you know. Hopefully we'll get a good check result back, but if not let's see... Absolutely agree, that's why my plan is not to LYNCH these people, just attempt to get them to talk more. We can decide on those decisions later. Can't even vote until day anyway. Also, I'm just going to post the original PM tree.hugger sent me. Won't send any more unless there's something suscipious going on. I want people to keep in mind however that this might not be suscipious at all, I mean, he did tell me he PMed "pretty much everybody". Don't know who exactly though. With that, Tree Huggers initial PM Original Message: I'm convinced that Subversion is mafia, but you're not. Fair enough. But as Infund points out, this is a classic case of putting a group of people to the test. Subversion has an almost cult following of defenders, and if he flips red, they all go, and it's literally gg no re, town wins. If he flips green, then we can probably call all those people innocent. There's nobody else who's quite as valuable a lynch. This DTA bandwagon has sprouted up, for absolutely no reason. If all these people are convinced for his guilt, now, why didn't they say so earlier? Nothing has changed since then, except for the heat we've put on Subversion (mafia, imo.) This is too good an opportunity to pass up. We drew him out, and if we catch him, then a whole lot of other people are in the same net. | ||
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On July 23 2010 11:11 chaoser wrote: don't post PMs till morning... How do you know it was a PM? Maybe I'm a psychotic liar. Didn't think about that, did you? | ||
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On July 23 2010 11:15 chaoser wrote: Maybe we're all in a dream and the idea that that PM was sent to you was planted. Maybe this game is a lie. MaybRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR There is no cake! :O | ||
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I hope thats joking, cause if your not THATS a scummy thing to say. | ||
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On July 23 2010 13:07 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Or, youngminii, you could answer the question and clarify your position for the rest of the town. As it is right now, you are 1) dodging the question 2) becoming hostile I was not hostile - the post you made about tree huggers PM's is actually pretty important and I didn't really follow your thought process. You obviously know a lot about tree hugger, yet you are refusing to share this information with the town. Why? I looked back in the thread and didn't see the clarifying post you mentioned before. I don't understand why you're so uncooperative. Like I said, if i was in your position, i would be thinking pretty hard about tree hugger being scum, especially since he'd been pushing for Subversions lynch over chaoser - someone who you thought (think) was red. But you don't think he's scum. I asked why, a reasonable question, and you haven't answered. Why are you dodging the questions? He did partially answer the question. He said if Subversion was scum, than Tree.Hugger wouldn't be lynching him. However that does leave off the question if he thought subversion wasn't scum. Youngmini can explain himself better than I just did, but you get the point. Also, I'm highly suscipious especially of Chaoser because it seems to me that as soon as day started, youngmini started getting hammered. Lay off, I don't want this to become another bandwagon. Let him explain. | ||
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My will: + Show Spoiler + My pet panda Pandet goes to Youngmini in honor of our secret friendship alliance. My secret lover Subversion will get all other belongings. Also, ebwop, "Also I'm getting highly suspicious of all this" I'm getting suscipious of chaoser just because he's just started being so flammatory and instigative. I mixed my thoughts. | ||
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On July 23 2010 13:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Look, this is every post you made between the Tree Hugger PM post and the post where you answered me saying you had "already answered the question: + Show Spoiler [posts] + On July 22 2010 14:09 youngminii wrote: Oh yeah, I forgot the most important part: the question. Pretty much, why are you doing this via PM when you can just do it publicly in the thread? Is it because you're avoiding any counter arguments so that your PM recipients will have an easier time believing/trusting you or is it something else? On July 22 2010 14:12 youngminii wrote: Ya I'd have asked for protection too but that's literally giving suicide bomber free medic kills. On July 22 2010 14:31 youngminii wrote: I don't understand why he's doing that. I just, I don't even... On July 22 2010 14:54 youngminii wrote: I dunno I feel as if I'll get NK'd tonight. My spidey senses are tingling. On July 22 2010 14:58 youngminii wrote: Don't want to bring back the useless debate, ignoring your post. On July 22 2010 15:25 youngminii wrote: I hope you enjoy reading.On July 23 2010 09:01 youngminii wrote: Don't edit at all in any situation for any reason without BM's approval. On July 23 2010 10:37 youngminii wrote: He didn't tell anyone different things if my assumptions are correct. He said something like "we lynch subversion and we've got youngminii, we lynch DTA and we've got nothing" Which is such a fucking stupid argument, might I add, and spreading this misinformation via PMs being a horrible way to play. Like I said, the answer wasn't in there even though you said it was. If you'll notice this game I have never once said I thought you were red. I have been asking you questions, because you've been making some out of the ordinary posts. Your reactions to these questions have generally been hostile, uncooperative (see: the reply I am quoting) and overall it seems like you think I don't like you or something. Which personally, I don't understand. I'm a pretty friendly guy. But when my questions are met with you saying things like "this is the scummiest post ever," or "you are fucking bad," - which are things you have actually typed in this thread, paraphrased - is it any wonder why I don't think you're meeting me on equal grounds here? Now, maybe I really am a fucking idiot, but that explanation you gave previously didn't make any sense to me and I and probably several others would like it if you could just be clear about things instead of saying "I'm not dodging the question" while continuing to dodge the question! Look, if you really are town, your abrasive reactions aren't helping you at all and will help you get lynched more than anything I could ever muster. And there really hasn't been that much pressure on you at all this game, so I'd hate to see you react under actual intense scrutiny. Frankly I think it's because he thinks theres a scum plot to destroy him. Mainly I think this is because of Chaosers recent posts. I mean look, you offer some "reasonable explanation and questoin"(I think it's reasonable to ask at least) But then Chaoser comes in and is like "Ya, Look at that $%$#" On July 23 2010 12:35 chaoser wrote: lol infundibulum, get on his ass If Chaoser wasn't so hostile I think he would be more friendly. | ||
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On July 23 2010 13:29 youngminii wrote: I would like you to find the post in which I said "mafia made no mistakes so far". I also do not recall saying "I'm excited about the kills", but I sure am excited to see Day 3 and what happened on Night 2. Please don't pull things out of your ass and please stop coming to false conclusions. Thanks. Nah Youngmini both of these things happened. But it doesn't matter because Chaoser is totally drawing huge speculations from these sentences. I mean, I'm excited about the kills too. He thinks he was killed, why wouldn't he be excited? | ||
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On July 23 2010 13:32 youngminii wrote: Okay now you're getting me quite annoyed. I have never said mafia made no mistakes so far. Plus even if I did it doesn't mean anything, thanks. Heh take a breather youngmini. Honestly think it would help you. Subversion said both those things. We're talking about Subversion there.  .Take 5 man and come back. No harm will happen. I'll defend you while he rampantly speculates. | ||
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