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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 01:42 GMT
#1081
yeah its 12 EST
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
July 22 2010 01:43 GMT
#1082
yeah lets just blame the host for the confusion and all be happy back to discussion
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 22 2010 01:43 GMT
#1083
On July 22 2010 10:31 Divinek wrote:
im totally game for saving darth's ass though if it comes down to it just because he's been sending me sexual messages via pm

but ill only vote for sub if it's necessary because i see him as more useful for us to lynch than darth at this point(info etc), since i think it's reasonable for either of them to be red it's all about convincing then and sub has convinced me to be more red than darth so far

even if darth is being a silly billy, i have faith he'll help us the next day or die

so is darth on the block if it's a tie right now or what?


Dude why would you tell people about that.


On July 22 2010 10:33 Subversion wrote:
Yeah, I've read it.

I don't really buy it though. I don't think youngminii has been any kind of vehement supporter of mine. I don't really feel anyone has consistently supported me, although many people have pointed out that I'm most likely innocent.

And the reason about my day 1 vote is stupid. He wrote that as if he hasn't read my posts and posts a defending that. Posts which really made perfect sense. The only reason my vote looked suspicious at all was because people fucked up the count.


I looked through your "defense" awhile ago. It was basically you saying "Why is everyone voting for me? I just bandwagoned because I didn't time to go through the thread, etc." That is a GREAT defense (to clarify). I'm not sure why people let you off the hook in the first place at all.

Your vote was suspicious to me regardless of the results or who you voted before, because of WHEN you voted. Anyone who voted last minute like you and BB did should be under scrutiny immediately. Hence, the attention that has been given to you two.

Combine that with the connection I see between you and youngminii and a couple others, you make a great lynch target.

On July 22 2010 10:36 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
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On July 22 2010 10:31 Divinek wrote:
im totally game for saving darth's ass though if it comes down to it just because he's been sending me sexual messages via pm

but ill only vote for sub if it's necessary because i see him as more useful for us to lynch than darth at this point(info etc), since i think it's reasonable for either of them to be red it's all about convincing then and sub has convinced me to be more red than darth so far

even if darth is being a silly billy, i have faith he'll help us the next day or die

so is darth on the block if it's a tie right now or what?

Pretty sure the last vote change is darth going chaoser to subversion so darth is on the block. He's not gonna help us tonight if blue he's gonna put a bomb on some innocent he's probably never mentioned and then deaths everywhere.


So Pyrr, are you normally this bad at mafia, or is it just this game?


On July 22 2010 10:37 Roffles wrote:
When does day end again? 12:00 KST?

Cause something someone said makes me wanna change my vote, I just wanna see how much time I have left to ponder about my decision.


12 EDT. that's like 11 KST? I don't know. But it's in like 2 hours and a bit.
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DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 22 2010 01:45 GMT
#1084
On July 22 2010 10:41 SouthRawrea wrote:
Edit: Removed because what I wrote made no sense.


o_o. you're not allowed to do that. BM I demand to see approval of this edit!


On July 22 2010 10:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
as it stands DTA was first to reach 7? Or subversion?


Pretty sure I'm first right now. Which doesn't really make sense for me to unvote chaoser. But w/e.
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Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 01:45 GMT
#1085
What's the vote count?

I need to know if I'm being killed because I want to say shit before I do.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 22 2010 01:48 GMT
#1086
On July 22 2010 10:45 DarthThienAn wrote:
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On July 22 2010 10:41 SouthRawrea wrote:
Edit: Removed because what I wrote made no sense.


o_o. you're not allowed to do that. BM I demand to see approval of this edit!

yea wtf
SouthRawrea
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada608 Posts
July 22 2010 01:48 GMT
#1087
On July 22 2010 10:41 Subversion wrote:
Look, I've already softclaimed blue.

Which was obviously a mistake since I gave mafia information, I was told that was stupid via PM and I agree.

It is NOT useful to lynch someone who has a valuable town skill!

I guarantee you lynching me is not going to give you information, and is really going to set you back. Please fucking think about this now. I am NOT the best candidate. Lynching me is hugely risky, on account that I am telling the truth.

Things we know about me:

Claim blue
Am noob - 1st mafia game essentially
Vote based on one stupid remark, and a well defended day 1 vote

Things we know about DTA:

Claims not mafia, no claim of anything useful
Highly skilled and experienced player
Vote based on detailed post analysis and him playing out of character

You lynch me, and I'm mafia, then you "apparently" have youngminii too. Any mafia is good so thats okay, although I disagree about youngminii. I really don't feel he's been a major supporter of mine. You lynch me, and I'm innocent, you lose a blue player, and gain zero information.

You lynch DTA and he's mafia, then you have chaoser too. Since they did a little band together and vote for me trick, and chaoser seemed to jumkp on my bandwagon awfully fast. You also lynch a highly skilled and threatening player. You lynch him and he's innocent, you lose a vanilla townie who doesn't seem to be putting much effort into the game anyway, based on what people expect from him due to prior games.

I am NOT the best lynch candidate, and the evidence against me is dismal.



Wait why even claim blue? DTA is first on the lynch priority it seems for now. I don't quite see why chaoser would automatically be mafia if DTA is either. Sure they band-wagoned a bit but what kind of mafia would do that inside the official thread? I think you're jumping to conclusions here but I do believe that you're blue. Medic on him just in case? It seems more likely to me that one of them may be mafia and they could be utilizing the fact that the other player wants to stay alive as well and are thus band-wagoning on to you. I agree that you're not the best lynch candidate though.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 01:49 GMT
#1088
does voting end in 11 minutes???

can sum1 please post an accurate vote count =/
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 22 2010 01:51 GMT
#1089
It's currently 9:50 EST, we have about 2 hours 10 minutes till day ends at 12 EST
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 22 2010 01:51 GMT
#1090
On July 22 2010 10:09 Bill Murray wrote:
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7] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, LaXerCannon, rastaban)
7] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, jayme, Amber[LighT], Pandain, chaoser, DarthThienAn)
6] chaoser (youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, citi.zen, BrownBear)
2] Brownbear (tricode, ~opz~)
2] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler, Divinek)
Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum, lakrismamma)


not voting:
Show nested quote +
everyone voted!

double lynch:
Show nested quote +

(1/15)
Show nested quote +
iNfuNdiBuLuM



I think this is still accurate, I didn't see any changes since this was posted
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 22 2010 01:51 GMT
#1091
##Unvote Subversion
##Vote Abstain.


I'll be voting later.

I'm going to be honest. I lied . I never wanted to vote for Subversion. But then this guy is like "Trust me!" So I do. But now I don't want Subversion out of this game if I truly don't believe he is mafia.

I still have my suspicions towards Chaoser, unfortunately I couldn't respond to his arguments because doing so would go against the PMer's wishes. But that being said, he has defended himself decently, even though there are a few holes. But at the same time, perhaps its just coincidence.

DTA, I'm not sure either. I mean, sure he's been playing weird but that doesn't mean he's mafia. The main problem I have with him is that he's not helping the town that much either.

This decision is definitely going to bite me in the blah, since if I vote wrong then I will almost certainly be seen as Subversion is now, the deciding vote. At the same time, it will be even worse consideiring I know it may be tied.

+ Show Spoiler +
Ha, I really hope it won't be tied when I vote.


My decision will be at the very end in all liklihood, considering I must watch Day9's king of the beta thingie. I will make my decision carefully.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 22 2010 01:53 GMT
#1092
On July 22 2010 10:41 Subversion wrote:
Look, I've already softclaimed blue.

Which was obviously a mistake since I gave mafia information, I was told that was stupid via PM and I agree.

It is NOT useful to lynch someone who has a valuable town skill!

I guarantee you lynching me is not going to give you information, and is really going to set you back. Please fucking think about this now. I am NOT the best candidate. Lynching me is hugely risky, on account that I am telling the truth.

Things we know about me:

Claim blue
Am noob - 1st mafia game essentially
Vote based on one stupid remark, and a well defended day 1 vote

Things we know about DTA:

Claims not mafia, no claim of anything useful
Highly skilled and experienced player
Vote based on detailed post analysis and him playing out of character

You lynch me, and I'm mafia, then you "apparently" have youngminii too. Any mafia is good so thats okay, although I disagree about youngminii. I really don't feel he's been a major supporter of mine. You lynch me, and I'm innocent, you lose a blue player, and gain zero information.

You lynch DTA and he's mafia, then you have chaoser too. Since they did a little band together and vote for me trick, and chaoser seemed to jumkp on my bandwagon awfully fast. You also lynch a highly skilled and threatening player. You lynch him and he's innocent, you lose a vanilla townie who doesn't seem to be putting much effort into the game anyway, based on what people expect from him due to prior games.

I am NOT the best lynch candidate, and the evidence against me is dismal.


Oh you softclaimed blue, so we should instantly not lynch you? Bull. And anyone who says I did the same thing, I have never admitted anywhere that I am blue.

You admitting that you are blue just makes you an idiot and a target tonight if you are one, a really bad townie, or mafia.

"It is NOT useful to lynch someone who has a valuable town skill!"

lol. Hey guys. My skill is a useful skill toi have too.

How can you guarantee that it won't give us information when I've already given an example of one person that it points to if you are red? If you're green, more townie points for youngminii.


@things we know about you:
Playing the noob card now eh? youngminii was a newb too, he rocked pretty hard in my game. so /ignore.
It wasn't a good defense. lol. It was just an excuse that you consider a good defense. I'm not sure people didn't call out how BS that is. Except that a lot of the other things that have been happening in this thread are BS.

@things about me:
Actually I claimed mafia on several occasions. Get your facts straight.
"Highly skilled and experienced player" - where are you getting this from? lol. Don't talk about things you don't understand.
"Vote based on..." what? I'm out of character, BUT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. I'VE BEEN MAFIA FOR LIKE 3/4 PAST GAMES so don't even try to use this against me. Any comments about my character is completely wifom. If you know what that means.


And now you're trying to cut off any connection to youngminii? Bravo. You guys really aren't connected.


I've said previously that I'd rather lynch you than chaoser. Chaoser would rather live than die. It's an easy decision for him, and an obvious one for me.

"You also lynch a highly skilled and threatening player."
lol. Hey guys, let's lynch anyone who MIGHT be a good player.

"You lynch him and he's innocent, you lose a vanilla townie who doesn't seem to be putting much effort into the game anyway, based on what people expect from him due to prior games."
Why the double standard? Shouldn't they expect the same from you as from me?

"I am NOT the best lynch candidate, and the evidence against me is dismal."
And the evidence against me?
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SouthRawrea
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada608 Posts
July 22 2010 01:55 GMT
#1093
I recieved a PM and I would just like to make a public apology about removing one of my posts and I will place it's content as best as I can remember in this post. It went something like this.

We should let DTA stay alive an extra day if he is the mad hatter in order to place an extra bomb and lynch him tomorrow.

I then went back to page one to read about it an realized that the people he placed his bombs on would die when he was lynched as well so I removed the message in a hurry. Sorry for not only placing a stupid message but for editing my post. Please spare me the mod-kill D:. Hopefully someone read my post and can confirm this. It was up for a couple minutes I believe.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 22 2010 01:55 GMT
#1094
On July 22 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:
##Unvote Subversion
##Vote Abstain.


I'll be voting later.

I'm going to be honest. I lied . I never wanted to vote for Subversion. But then this guy is like "Trust me!" So I do. But now I don't want Subversion out of this game if I truly don't believe he is mafia.

I still have my suspicions towards Chaoser, unfortunately I couldn't respond to his arguments because doing so would go against the PMer's wishes. But that being said, he has defended himself decently, even though there are a few holes. But at the same time, perhaps its just coincidence.

DTA, I'm not sure either. I mean, sure he's been playing weird but that doesn't mean he's mafia. The main problem I have with him is that he's not helping the town that much either.

This decision is definitely going to bite me in the blah, since if I vote wrong then I will almost certainly be seen as Subversion is now, the deciding vote. At the same time, it will be even worse consideiring I know it may be tied.

+ Show Spoiler +
Ha, I really hope it won't be tied when I vote.


My decision will be at the very end in all liklihood, considering I must watch Day9's king of the beta thingie. I will make my decision carefully.


"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
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Protactinium
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada550 Posts
July 22 2010 01:58 GMT
#1095
Will cast my vote in around an hour's time.

I still get this feeling that we're being toyed with. There are far too people talking over this to make me think that we've hooked a Mafia member.

Of course, that's WiFOM speaking to me.
And so, we find the Sublime.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 01:58 GMT
#1096
DTA, if I'm honest, I don't like any of this voting.

If I had to bet money on it, I'd say not one of the 3 major candidates is mafia, including you.

But you're good at this game, and you may just be fooling me. If I'm truthful, I wish we could all change to another target. But that's not going to happen.

Since I KNOW I'm not mafia and am useful to town, and thats all I really can know 100%, I think you're a better choice.

I thought the post on you was a good one, although your defense has since led me to believe that you're probably town. The reference to your past character is not from my knowledge, this is my 1st game, but its from that post.

Bottom line is, no I don't think you're mafia. But I don't know that for sure, and thus I know you're a better lynch than me, since I'm a really bad person to lynch.
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
July 22 2010 01:58 GMT
#1097
On July 21 2010 15:05 SiNiquity wrote:
I think both BrownBear and Subversion are just terrible townies (God save us if they're blue). Curious where Rastaban disappeared to, and still want to know why he left his vote on citi.zen from pre-game.

##Abstain for now, but it won't be there come lynching time. So much to sift through

Bad post. I will probably vote for you shortly...

*yawn*...And probably scrape up some analysis on you. I'm not expecting much work in that. So you wanna claim now, or after I drag the wagon towards you?
On July 22 2010 01:34 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Unvote BrownBear
##Vote: Subversion


Though I think BrownBear's analysis and plan is crappy, we can get more info is we lynch Subversion. Lynching BB just proves that we, as a town, aren't as organized as we would like to be. The Subversion discussion caught a lot of players, many more than the BB discussion. By determining Subversion's role we can pinpoint other key players who were pushing for and against the Subversion lynch. I'm willing to risk putting my name into the hat to get the town on a better path to victory. Depending on the flip, the DT's should try and look at key players involved in the Subversion dispute.

Bad Amber...Highly suspicious looking...

*note to self, vote DarthTheinAn*
On July 22 2010 03:16 Amber[LighT] wrote:
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On July 22 2010 03:00 LaXerCannon wrote:
On July 21 2010 19:16 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Now you may think that it is too obvious for the mafia to kill off someone who publicly calls them out. It's not. It's good strategy. In fact, I myself killed off Foolishness in a game I won because he was one of the few suspicious of me. If someone suspects you, they won't magically think you're innocent if you let them survive the night. People's heuristics for determining who they will vote for don't tend to shift too wildly over the course of a game. Even if people make a mistaken vote early, they will tend to justify it ex post facto and perhaps continue it (maybe what I'm doing here, but I think I have some good logic to back up my gut feeling). If you are mafia, and a member is getting 3rd/4th place in votes, even with just a couple, that member could be in 1st a few days later. By killing off the people who are suspicious of you, even if their reasons suck, you get talked about less and you literally shave off your vote total. It's not too bad of a strategy to just play whack-a-mole going after all your public detractors because you can always just say you're getting framed. I've been there, done that.


This post here, to me, was the most informative. I have never had the chance to play a red role before and such added perspective really helped me decide on a lynch target. I'm also quite intrigued by why DTA didn't die yet; he's a very strong player (not so much this game though) and should be a priority kill.

##vote: DarthThienAn


If we play the game with this logic then BC should have been killed already, but he's still alive.

Opz is still alive, he's a strong player too.

What about Roffles, he's incredibly cunning and plays the part of mafioso and townie very well.

Pyrr should have been killed based upon this logic as well.

Infun should have probably been a good target.

You're playing the game very counter-intuitively. You're insisting that strong players should die, not suspicious players. DTA is playing the Chezinu card, which is common play. There's always guaranteed to be one of those idiot players in the game. The host himself has played this card before in games...

I can't believe the people that are coming forward insisting that killing subversion will gain no knowledge. Killing DTA just verifies his play-style. We can actually tie a connection between DTA and Subversion as well as the people who are trying to avoid talking about DTA at all, or those who are supporting one lynch target over another.

I'm not going to sit here and say killing DTA is wrong, he is still a target due to his play-style this game, but he's going to give us less information than lynching Subversion. Do whatever you want but don't justify your lynch vote by saying DTA is a good player and I think other people's opinions are strong, so this must be a good choice. Sheep.


Amber, Amber, Amber...That's just showing us how many veterans are in the game. I'm personally not that good, I just often get really good hunches.
BC is far better at playing mafia then me. He catches everything and knows when to lock his jaws on someone. He posts far more influential then I probably ever will. Hence why I hate following him, and have terrible distrust of him. He also isn't posting often, and the only game I've seen him mafia that's exactly what he was doing. Not posting often, but posting influentially.
+ Show Spoiler [Example of BC in action.] +
On July 22 2010 04:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Going through this thread since I got home from work last night and began to filter through the vote info day 1, but more importantly, who seemed to push for random bandwagons. What is more surprising is that these bandwagons formed AFTER they had solidly defended themselves (hyper/young). Yet even with a defense, people were “unconvinced” of their innocence.

The youngminii vote list is odd, after two defense posts and solid ones for day 1 at that, he still garnered people vote for him

Infundi started the vote train with
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On July 18 2010 20:52 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
I'm going out for the rest of the day and i dunno if i'll be back in time for the deadline. I'm gonna put my vote on youngminii, just in case anything happens in that direction. Otherwise i hope you guys are smart enough not to screw things up while i'm gone :p

#vote youngminii


It’s a “placeholder” vote. He then argues with young and refuses to vote swap.

Xelin posts a reason to vote for young very quickly after,

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On July 18 2010 23:49 XeliN wrote:
Actually scrap that, I've just gone over your posts individually Youngminii and your coming across so scummy to me. You argue everyone to abstain on the first day, or vote for someone that is going to be killed anyway. That directly helps mafia, and further reduces any information that we could have going into Day 2, you've also tried to directly influence what any blues in the game do on the first day and instead of addressing the points infundulum makes against you, you flip reverse it and accuse him of being Red.

Remove vote Vote youngminii


He is gut shotting, not a very solid way to do it day 1.

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On July 19 2010 01:34 Amber[LighT] wrote:
###vote youngminii
if I have to trust someone I trust xelin. I'm going to follow his decisions till the end of the day at least.

Sorry got to the game early so I read some posts :D


This post intrigues me, a lot. HE is blind trusting someone to follow for voting, which makes the third vote of a bandwagon that formed in the last 17 hours of the day, all 3 voting with in a page of eachother. Super odd to be formed a) so late and b) with next to no real debate.

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On July 19 2010 02:07 Roffles wrote:
OpZ just has that sort of playstyle. Comes in, makes a couple accusations, then starts some shit. At least it demonstrates he's here.

Gonna unabstain now that I've read the thread.

##Unvote: Abstain
##Vote: youngminii


Not voting simply lets scum get off a free shot. Don't see the real reasoning behind not voting. Shit, I'd rather RNG someone than let em off the hook for Day 1. Anyways, I'd refrain from voting for someone who hasn't posted yet. Chances are they'll be modkilled within the next couple of days anyways. Why waste a lynch on someone who's gonna die later on?



Odd vote choice as he has read the thread, comments little for his vote, but goes onto say how he would prefer to have the days lynch go, seems fair enough of a reason to avoid a no lynch.

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On July 19 2010 07:53 Jayme wrote:
The whole mini Hyperbola bandwagon was rather funny. He comes in and says a few lines and then 3 people just jump on him like a pack of wild dogs.

Initially this bandwagon looked rather harmless but now he's got 7 votes on him and unless a miracle happens it looks like he's being lynched.

That being said anybody who advocates no lynch as much as Youngminii has is crazy sketchy while at the same time ignoring why people have said it's a terrible thing to do. In the end it's rarely the blues that actually win you the game and it's a few good analytical townies that save the day. If a sudden bandwagon comes up and all of a sudden a detective gets killed you have yourself at the very least a strong suspect list.

SO yea

##Unvote
##Vote: Youngminii


Even if you're townie your discussion sidetracked us like crazy.



Of all the votes for young, this one strikes me as the most reasonable, as it is voting based on things he has said, and things he disagrees with and is voting for it. Now, that that is done, lets go see what day 2 looks like for these 5.

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On July 20 2010 22:15 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Why is it that all of a sudden d3 claims he was protected and BrownBear becomes the official 'active' townie with all of this great insight.

Up until about 12 hours ago (last time I checked the thread) he was nowhere to be found, and now that 1 person gave him something to run with, he's invaded about 2/3's of the last 2 pages with nonsense analysis about d3. What's even worse is that he wants our "other" veteran to roleclaim.

ATTN OTHER VETERAN: DO NOT ROLECLAIM!!!!

The goal of the veteran, as stated numerous times, is to be the meatshield. His vote is only worth 1, regardless of how long he is left in the game. His job is to soak damage up from night kills. By outing our veterans, we are pretty much giving the mafia enough information to say "don't hit these players." I'm against that plan completely, and I'm against BrownBear.

Hopefully the DT's are working their magic from last night and getting in contact with the players they checked. The DT role is pretty black/white and very strong in this game, so we need to keep those guys alive. The DT's should form their own circles and use the players they checked as voice-boxes. The players who have been checked should, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, reveal to any other player who the DT is unless they are verified. The only way the DT circles should combine is if AND ONLY IF by chance a DT checks another DT. Please be smart about this guys.

I'm sticking with the opinion of the previous night to lynch the most useless player:

##Vote: BrownBear

I'll consider changing my vote if some of the more 'influential players' have a better suggestion.


This vote is a completely different style, levels out with what he said the day before of not having time, here he obviously did as it’s a moderately informed vote. HOWEVER he later does this

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On July 22 2010 01:34 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Unvote BrownBear
##Vote: Subversion


Though I think BrownBear's analysis and plan is crappy, we can get more info is we lynch Subversion. Lynching BB just proves that we, as a town, aren't as organized as we would like to be. The Subversion discussion caught a lot of players, many more than the BB discussion. By determining Subversion's role we can pinpoint other key players who were pushing for and against the Subversion lynch. I'm willing to risk putting my name into the hat to get the town on a better path to victory. Depending on the flip, the DT's should try and look at key players involved in the Subversion dispute.


Here shows that rather than being certain of his choices, he going bandwagon to bandwagon. Subversion has had far to many people jump on him for being a bad player when the kid is new. And now another player, who should know better based on experience, is jumping at him. Seriously fishy imo. Very little activity overall and hoping onto bandwagons is all hes really doing.

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On July 21 2010 20:25 XeliN wrote:
I'm personally not convinced about Brownbear whatsoever, his suggestions and arguments may be poor but he has not acted in a way I would expect a mafia too, his reaction to peoples accusations is far more fitting with how townies respond (although this is WiFOM, but I'm going to go with the assumption that Brown would not attempt to defend himself in a manner he hoped to portray as a green reaction if he were mafia)

Out of the two candidates my inclination is for either Darth or Chaoser, the arguments against Subversion have seemed quite astute but quite frankly the actions of Darth and Chaoser so far concern me more, Darth from my past experience is extremely logical, helpful and influential. He has been none of these things this game and in the past I have only seen him in a town role. This shift in character//style would be the main reason I suspect Darth.

Chaoser has been exceptionally inconsistent so far, Pandain has outlined most of my reasoning quite well on page 39, but to surmise his arguing against "no-lynching" in order to criticise a player then abstaining, using the argument "these two players are more suspicious//more evidence against them than me". This line of argument is almost laughable and reminds me of the playground type reaction "Hey don't pick on me... look at that kid... he can't even play football and he's ugly as hell".

##Vote DarthThienAn

Out of Chaoser and Darth I would consider the latter more dangerous in a mafia role so I'll place it there.


Going into description of who he thinks should be lynched based off two major candiates. Although DTA is a more recent bandwagon (well revival of one)


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On July 21 2010 08:20 Jayme wrote:
On July 21 2010 06:02 chaoser wrote:
Also, I'm going to put in my vote for Subversion. So far I don't know how I feel about BrownBear. At first I wanted to vote him. He's been playing badly and didn't do anything day one. But then at the same time people jumped all over voting for him in the beginning until just recently when people switched to Subversion, or at least it feels like that.

Subversion's little mafia mistake statement is just weird all in all and was part of that voting block (everyone's already mentioned this) so I'll put my vote on him for now but I'll have to see. Still a full day left.

##vote Subversion


I personally understand the brownbear vote because I was thinking about doing the same thing.

Subversion's strange comments have been well...strange and I'm really itching to vote for him because his foot in mouth syndrome could get us in trouble later in the game when saying something stupid can have catastrophic consequences.

That being said

##Vote:Subversion


This vote worries me. He starts by saying “I was going to vote for x” then immediately swaps his opinion to someone who has made a few minor slip ups (possible newb?) but votes out of fear of him saying something he shouldn’t. Odd reason to kill someone now, sounds like a pm land reason, although I have no way to prove that.

To my knowledge, Infundi has just voted for double lynch today, and Roffles still hasn’t voted.


Now looking at this, I see a few really oddly done votes, and it continues today.

Amber seems to vote for whichever wagon at the time is attracting the most people, hopping onto Youngminii near its beginning, then proceeding to jump on BB when it was in its prime, now hes hopped over to subversion. This is insanely odd to me.

Next we have jayme, doing very similar things, hopping onto popular wagon without really contributing much to the game other than hopping onto the wagon with a simple reason of why he joined it. His reason day 1 was sound, his reason right now not so much.

I would also say as a minor link that potentially means nothing at this point, but both amber and jayme have voted together twice now (provided this vote stays final).



NOW, lets talk about the last days playing. WHAT THE HELL GUYS. I am gone for a day, and seriously return to you all attacking well everyone

Youngminii vs chaoser
pandain vs chaoser
Chaoser vs young/pandain
everyone and their puppy vs subversion
Shit jumping randomly out to attack dta
people still discussing the crap of BB rather than just ignoring him based on stupidity.
Lakrismamma attempting to start a fight with roffles based on inactivity (pot calling the kettle black?)


The amount of just literally piles of crap to weed through is agonizingly annoying to read. ALL of responsible for this all should take a step bad and really see what you are doing. Because of all this nonsense there is really next to no real candidate for a lynch, instead its a bunch of minor bandwagons people can fan/hide in. If the group of you mainly responsible for this is town, shame on you guys, you should know better. Start reading what people are saying, not just arguing a gut shot.

As its too damn late to try and coordinate on who to vote on, I AM choosing amber for having two days worth of sketchy voting habits + bandwagon hopping.

##vote amber[light]




You're vote on Amber strikes me as a vote on a townie. Amber actively stated and repeated that veterans should not claim, possibly saving lives further down the road. iirc I don't think you were around and arguing that they shouldn't then, but who knows, I've been busy lately, and will go about checking that out.
On July 22 2010 05:33 Roffles wrote:
Subversion's little mafia mistake statement is just weird all in all and was part of that voting block (everyone's already mentioned this) so I'll put my vote on him for now but I'll have to see. Still a full day left.

There, you outlined it yourself. You acknowledge that his little mafia mistake is just weird, yet you still cast your vote for him. It isn't something that Mafia is stupid enough to slip up on, yet you're fueling the bandwagon even though you acknowledge that it's weird and unusual, not necessarily harmful in all.


I will be fine voting for roffles. Haven't read to see what whoever was lynched, and whatever they flipped, but I would have changed my vote off BB most likely.

Chaoser vs Darth lynch votes will be very important. Most suspicious on whichever list that suceeds in lynching the other should be lynched. I.E. if darth gets lynched pops green, lynch someone who voted for darth. Vice versa. If red pops, lynch someone who voted for the other. Obviously.

Atleast that's how I feel.


On July 22 2010 10:01 Divinek wrote:
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On July 22 2010 10:00 DarthThienAn wrote:

If everyone played like DTA, yes. That's why town shouldn't play like this and we should go after people who do.


Cool, let's kill anyone whose playstyle we don't like.



Darth, I'd suggest you claim now...lol....And yes, I vote people based on play styles.

(posting this all early. Day getting close to ending. Thoughts and what nots. Not anaylsis...Don't have time atm)
##Vote Darth
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 01:59 GMT
#1098
Myeeeeh the fact that he pulled out the noob card is kind of odd, you don't see many noobs say "hey I'm a noob so you should forgive me" and I've always held a policy of ignoring the noob card. However, from experiences from other sites, whenever I do end up lynching a noob that pulled out the noob card they always turn out to be town.

I dunno, subversion's post seems odd to me but I'm not going to change my vote.

Also:

youngminii was a newb too, he rocked pretty hard in my game.

<3
lalala
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 02:00 GMT
#1099
Also, I don't know what wifom means
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 02:00 GMT
#1100
^ This is talking about Subversion btw.
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