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Infundibulum
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Divinek
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On July 22 2010 10:31 Divinek wrote: im totally game for saving darth's ass though if it comes down to it just because he's been sending me sexual messages via pm but ill only vote for sub if it's necessary because i see him as more useful for us to lynch than darth at this point(info etc), since i think it's reasonable for either of them to be red it's all about convincing then and sub has convinced me to be more red than darth so far even if darth is being a silly billy, i have faith he'll help us the next day or die so is darth on the block if it's a tie right now or what? Dude why would you tell people about that. On July 22 2010 10:33 Subversion wrote: Yeah, I've read it. I don't really buy it though. I don't think youngminii has been any kind of vehement supporter of mine. I don't really feel anyone has consistently supported me, although many people have pointed out that I'm most likely innocent. And the reason about my day 1 vote is stupid. He wrote that as if he hasn't read my posts and posts a defending that. Posts which really made perfect sense. The only reason my vote looked suspicious at all was because people fucked up the count. I looked through your "defense" awhile ago. It was basically you saying "Why is everyone voting for me? I just bandwagoned because I didn't time to go through the thread, etc." That is a GREAT defense (to clarify). I'm not sure why people let you off the hook in the first place at all. Your vote was suspicious to me regardless of the results or who you voted before, because of WHEN you voted. Anyone who voted last minute like you and BB did should be under scrutiny immediately. Hence, the attention that has been given to you two. Combine that with the connection I see between you and youngminii and a couple others, you make a great lynch target. On July 22 2010 10:36 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Pretty sure the last vote change is darth going chaoser to subversion so darth is on the block. He's not gonna help us tonight if blue he's gonna put a bomb on some innocent he's probably never mentioned and then deaths everywhere. So Pyrr, are you normally this bad at mafia, or is it just this game? On July 22 2010 10:37 Roffles wrote: When does day end again? 12:00 KST? Cause something someone said makes me wanna change my vote, I just wanna see how much time I have left to ponder about my decision. 12 EDT. that's like 11 KST? I don't know. But it's in like 2 hours and a bit. | ||
DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On July 22 2010 10:41 SouthRawrea wrote: Edit: Removed because what I wrote made no sense. o_o. you're not allowed to do that. BM I demand to see approval of this edit! On July 22 2010 10:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: as it stands DTA was first to reach 7? Or subversion? Pretty sure I'm first right now. Which doesn't really make sense for me to unvote chaoser. But w/e. | ||
Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
I need to know if I'm being killed because I want to say shit before I do. | ||
Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On July 22 2010 10:45 DarthThienAn wrote: o_o. you're not allowed to do that. BM I demand to see approval of this edit! yea wtf | ||
SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
On July 22 2010 10:41 Subversion wrote: Look, I've already softclaimed blue. Which was obviously a mistake since I gave mafia information, I was told that was stupid via PM and I agree. It is NOT useful to lynch someone who has a valuable town skill! I guarantee you lynching me is not going to give you information, and is really going to set you back. Please fucking think about this now. I am NOT the best candidate. Lynching me is hugely risky, on account that I am telling the truth. Things we know about me: Claim blue Am noob - 1st mafia game essentially Vote based on one stupid remark, and a well defended day 1 vote Things we know about DTA: Claims not mafia, no claim of anything useful Highly skilled and experienced player Vote based on detailed post analysis and him playing out of character You lynch me, and I'm mafia, then you "apparently" have youngminii too. Any mafia is good so thats okay, although I disagree about youngminii. I really don't feel he's been a major supporter of mine. You lynch me, and I'm innocent, you lose a blue player, and gain zero information. You lynch DTA and he's mafia, then you have chaoser too. Since they did a little band together and vote for me trick, and chaoser seemed to jumkp on my bandwagon awfully fast. You also lynch a highly skilled and threatening player. You lynch him and he's innocent, you lose a vanilla townie who doesn't seem to be putting much effort into the game anyway, based on what people expect from him due to prior games. I am NOT the best lynch candidate, and the evidence against me is dismal. Wait why even claim blue? DTA is first on the lynch priority it seems for now. I don't quite see why chaoser would automatically be mafia if DTA is either. Sure they band-wagoned a bit but what kind of mafia would do that inside the official thread? I think you're jumping to conclusions here but I do believe that you're blue. Medic on him just in case? It seems more likely to me that one of them may be mafia and they could be utilizing the fact that the other player wants to stay alive as well and are thus band-wagoning on to you. I agree that you're not the best lynch candidate though. | ||
Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
can sum1 please post an accurate vote count =/ | ||
chaoser
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rastaban
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On July 22 2010 10:09 Bill Murray wrote: not voting: double lynch: I think this is still accurate, I didn't see any changes since this was posted | ||
Pandain
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##Vote Abstain. I'll be voting later. I'm going to be honest. I lied . I never wanted to vote for Subversion. But then this guy is like "Trust me!" So I do. But now I don't want Subversion out of this game if I truly don't believe he is mafia. I still have my suspicions towards Chaoser, unfortunately I couldn't respond to his arguments because doing so would go against the PMer's wishes. But that being said, he has defended himself decently, even though there are a few holes. But at the same time, perhaps its just coincidence. DTA, I'm not sure either. I mean, sure he's been playing weird but that doesn't mean he's mafia. The main problem I have with him is that he's not helping the town that much either. This decision is definitely going to bite me in the blah, since if I vote wrong then I will almost certainly be seen as Subversion is now, the deciding vote. At the same time, it will be even worse consideiring I know it may be tied. + Show Spoiler + Ha, I really hope it won't be tied when I vote. My decision will be at the very end in all liklihood, considering I must watch Day9's king of the beta thingie. I will make my decision carefully. | ||
DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On July 22 2010 10:41 Subversion wrote: Look, I've already softclaimed blue. Which was obviously a mistake since I gave mafia information, I was told that was stupid via PM and I agree. It is NOT useful to lynch someone who has a valuable town skill! I guarantee you lynching me is not going to give you information, and is really going to set you back. Please fucking think about this now. I am NOT the best candidate. Lynching me is hugely risky, on account that I am telling the truth. Things we know about me: Claim blue Am noob - 1st mafia game essentially Vote based on one stupid remark, and a well defended day 1 vote Things we know about DTA: Claims not mafia, no claim of anything useful Highly skilled and experienced player Vote based on detailed post analysis and him playing out of character You lynch me, and I'm mafia, then you "apparently" have youngminii too. Any mafia is good so thats okay, although I disagree about youngminii. I really don't feel he's been a major supporter of mine. You lynch me, and I'm innocent, you lose a blue player, and gain zero information. You lynch DTA and he's mafia, then you have chaoser too. Since they did a little band together and vote for me trick, and chaoser seemed to jumkp on my bandwagon awfully fast. You also lynch a highly skilled and threatening player. You lynch him and he's innocent, you lose a vanilla townie who doesn't seem to be putting much effort into the game anyway, based on what people expect from him due to prior games. I am NOT the best lynch candidate, and the evidence against me is dismal. Oh you softclaimed blue, so we should instantly not lynch you? Bull. And anyone who says I did the same thing, I have never admitted anywhere that I am blue. You admitting that you are blue just makes you an idiot and a target tonight if you are one, a really bad townie, or mafia. "It is NOT useful to lynch someone who has a valuable town skill!" lol. Hey guys. My skill is a useful skill toi have too. How can you guarantee that it won't give us information when I've already given an example of one person that it points to if you are red? If you're green, more townie points for youngminii. @things we know about you: Playing the noob card now eh? youngminii was a newb too, he rocked pretty hard in my game. so /ignore. It wasn't a good defense. lol. It was just an excuse that you consider a good defense. I'm not sure people didn't call out how BS that is. Except that a lot of the other things that have been happening in this thread are BS. @things about me: Actually I claimed mafia on several occasions. Get your facts straight. "Highly skilled and experienced player" - where are you getting this from? lol. Don't talk about things you don't understand. "Vote based on..." what? I'm out of character, BUT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. I'VE BEEN MAFIA FOR LIKE 3/4 PAST GAMES so don't even try to use this against me. Any comments about my character is completely wifom. If you know what that means. And now you're trying to cut off any connection to youngminii? Bravo. You guys really aren't connected. I've said previously that I'd rather lynch you than chaoser. Chaoser would rather live than die. It's an easy decision for him, and an obvious one for me. "You also lynch a highly skilled and threatening player." lol. Hey guys, let's lynch anyone who MIGHT be a good player. "You lynch him and he's innocent, you lose a vanilla townie who doesn't seem to be putting much effort into the game anyway, based on what people expect from him due to prior games." Why the double standard? Shouldn't they expect the same from you as from me? "I am NOT the best lynch candidate, and the evidence against me is dismal." And the evidence against me? | ||
SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
We should let DTA stay alive an extra day if he is the mad hatter in order to place an extra bomb and lynch him tomorrow. I then went back to page one to read about it an realized that the people he placed his bombs on would die when he was lynched as well so I removed the message in a hurry. Sorry for not only placing a stupid message but for editing my post. Please spare me the mod-kill D:. Hopefully someone read my post and can confirm this. It was up for a couple minutes I believe. | ||
DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On July 22 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote: ##Unvote Subversion ##Vote Abstain. I'll be voting later. I'm going to be honest. I lied . I never wanted to vote for Subversion. But then this guy is like "Trust me!" So I do. But now I don't want Subversion out of this game if I truly don't believe he is mafia. I still have my suspicions towards Chaoser, unfortunately I couldn't respond to his arguments because doing so would go against the PMer's wishes. But that being said, he has defended himself decently, even though there are a few holes. But at the same time, perhaps its just coincidence. DTA, I'm not sure either. I mean, sure he's been playing weird but that doesn't mean he's mafia. The main problem I have with him is that he's not helping the town that much either. This decision is definitely going to bite me in the blah, since if I vote wrong then I will almost certainly be seen as Subversion is now, the deciding vote. At the same time, it will be even worse consideiring I know it may be tied. + Show Spoiler + Ha, I really hope it won't be tied when I vote. My decision will be at the very end in all liklihood, considering I must watch Day9's king of the beta thingie. I will make my decision carefully. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." | ||
Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
I still get this feeling that we're being toyed with. There are far too people talking over this to make me think that we've hooked a Mafia member. Of course, that's WiFOM speaking to me. | ||
Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
If I had to bet money on it, I'd say not one of the 3 major candidates is mafia, including you. But you're good at this game, and you may just be fooling me. If I'm truthful, I wish we could all change to another target. But that's not going to happen. Since I KNOW I'm not mafia and am useful to town, and thats all I really can know 100%, I think you're a better choice. I thought the post on you was a good one, although your defense has since led me to believe that you're probably town. The reference to your past character is not from my knowledge, this is my 1st game, but its from that post. Bottom line is, no I don't think you're mafia. But I don't know that for sure, and thus I know you're a better lynch than me, since I'm a really bad person to lynch. | ||
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 21 2010 15:05 SiNiquity wrote: I think both BrownBear and Subversion are just terrible townies (God save us if they're blue). Curious where Rastaban disappeared to, and still want to know why he left his vote on citi.zen from pre-game. ##Abstain for now, but it won't be there come lynching time. So much to sift through Bad post. I will probably vote for you shortly... *yawn*...And probably scrape up some analysis on you. I'm not expecting much work in that. So you wanna claim now, or after I drag the wagon towards you? On July 22 2010 01:34 Amber[LighT] wrote: Unvote BrownBear ##Vote: Subversion Though I think BrownBear's analysis and plan is crappy, we can get more info is we lynch Subversion. Lynching BB just proves that we, as a town, aren't as organized as we would like to be. The Subversion discussion caught a lot of players, many more than the BB discussion. By determining Subversion's role we can pinpoint other key players who were pushing for and against the Subversion lynch. I'm willing to risk putting my name into the hat to get the town on a better path to victory. Depending on the flip, the DT's should try and look at key players involved in the Subversion dispute. Bad Amber...Highly suspicious looking... *note to self, vote DarthTheinAn* On July 22 2010 03:16 Amber[LighT] wrote: If we play the game with this logic then BC should have been killed already, but he's still alive. Opz is still alive, he's a strong player too. What about Roffles, he's incredibly cunning and plays the part of mafioso and townie very well. Pyrr should have been killed based upon this logic as well. Infun should have probably been a good target. You're playing the game very counter-intuitively. You're insisting that strong players should die, not suspicious players. DTA is playing the Chezinu card, which is common play. There's always guaranteed to be one of those idiot players in the game. The host himself has played this card before in games... I can't believe the people that are coming forward insisting that killing subversion will gain no knowledge. Killing DTA just verifies his play-style. We can actually tie a connection between DTA and Subversion as well as the people who are trying to avoid talking about DTA at all, or those who are supporting one lynch target over another. I'm not going to sit here and say killing DTA is wrong, he is still a target due to his play-style this game, but he's going to give us less information than lynching Subversion. Do whatever you want but don't justify your lynch vote by saying DTA is a good player and I think other people's opinions are strong, so this must be a good choice. Sheep. Amber, Amber, Amber...That's just showing us how many veterans are in the game. I'm personally not that good, I just often get really good hunches. BC is far better at playing mafia then me. He catches everything and knows when to lock his jaws on someone. He posts far more influential then I probably ever will. Hence why I hate following him, and have terrible distrust of him. He also isn't posting often, and the only game I've seen him mafia that's exactly what he was doing. Not posting often, but posting influentially. + Show Spoiler [Example of BC in action.] + On July 22 2010 04:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Going through this thread since I got home from work last night and began to filter through the vote info day 1, but more importantly, who seemed to push for random bandwagons. What is more surprising is that these bandwagons formed AFTER they had solidly defended themselves (hyper/young). Yet even with a defense, people were “unconvinced” of their innocence. The youngminii vote list is odd, after two defense posts and solid ones for day 1 at that, he still garnered people vote for him Infundi started the vote train with It’s a “placeholder” vote. He then argues with young and refuses to vote swap. Xelin posts a reason to vote for young very quickly after, He is gut shotting, not a very solid way to do it day 1. This post intrigues me, a lot. HE is blind trusting someone to follow for voting, which makes the third vote of a bandwagon that formed in the last 17 hours of the day, all 3 voting with in a page of eachother. Super odd to be formed a) so late and b) with next to no real debate. Odd vote choice as he has read the thread, comments little for his vote, but goes onto say how he would prefer to have the days lynch go, seems fair enough of a reason to avoid a no lynch. Of all the votes for young, this one strikes me as the most reasonable, as it is voting based on things he has said, and things he disagrees with and is voting for it. Now, that that is done, lets go see what day 2 looks like for these 5. This vote is a completely different style, levels out with what he said the day before of not having time, here he obviously did as it’s a moderately informed vote. HOWEVER he later does this Here shows that rather than being certain of his choices, he going bandwagon to bandwagon. Subversion has had far to many people jump on him for being a bad player when the kid is new. And now another player, who should know better based on experience, is jumping at him. Seriously fishy imo. Very little activity overall and hoping onto bandwagons is all hes really doing. Going into description of who he thinks should be lynched based off two major candiates. Although DTA is a more recent bandwagon (well revival of one) This vote worries me. He starts by saying “I was going to vote for x” then immediately swaps his opinion to someone who has made a few minor slip ups (possible newb?) but votes out of fear of him saying something he shouldn’t. Odd reason to kill someone now, sounds like a pm land reason, although I have no way to prove that. To my knowledge, Infundi has just voted for double lynch today, and Roffles still hasn’t voted. Now looking at this, I see a few really oddly done votes, and it continues today. Amber seems to vote for whichever wagon at the time is attracting the most people, hopping onto Youngminii near its beginning, then proceeding to jump on BB when it was in its prime, now hes hopped over to subversion. This is insanely odd to me. Next we have jayme, doing very similar things, hopping onto popular wagon without really contributing much to the game other than hopping onto the wagon with a simple reason of why he joined it. His reason day 1 was sound, his reason right now not so much. I would also say as a minor link that potentially means nothing at this point, but both amber and jayme have voted together twice now (provided this vote stays final). NOW, lets talk about the last days playing. WHAT THE HELL GUYS. I am gone for a day, and seriously return to you all attacking well everyone Youngminii vs chaoser pandain vs chaoser Chaoser vs young/pandain everyone and their puppy vs subversion Shit jumping randomly out to attack dta people still discussing the crap of BB rather than just ignoring him based on stupidity. Lakrismamma attempting to start a fight with roffles based on inactivity (pot calling the kettle black?) The amount of just literally piles of crap to weed through is agonizingly annoying to read. ALL of responsible for this all should take a step bad and really see what you are doing. Because of all this nonsense there is really next to no real candidate for a lynch, instead its a bunch of minor bandwagons people can fan/hide in. If the group of you mainly responsible for this is town, shame on you guys, you should know better. Start reading what people are saying, not just arguing a gut shot. As its too damn late to try and coordinate on who to vote on, I AM choosing amber for having two days worth of sketchy voting habits + bandwagon hopping. ##vote amber[light] You're vote on Amber strikes me as a vote on a townie. Amber actively stated and repeated that veterans should not claim, possibly saving lives further down the road. iirc I don't think you were around and arguing that they shouldn't then, but who knows, I've been busy lately, and will go about checking that out. On July 22 2010 05:33 Roffles wrote: Subversion's little mafia mistake statement is just weird all in all and was part of that voting block (everyone's already mentioned this) so I'll put my vote on him for now but I'll have to see. Still a full day left. There, you outlined it yourself. You acknowledge that his little mafia mistake is just weird, yet you still cast your vote for him. It isn't something that Mafia is stupid enough to slip up on, yet you're fueling the bandwagon even though you acknowledge that it's weird and unusual, not necessarily harmful in all. I will be fine voting for roffles. Haven't read to see what whoever was lynched, and whatever they flipped, but I would have changed my vote off BB most likely. Chaoser vs Darth lynch votes will be very important. Most suspicious on whichever list that suceeds in lynching the other should be lynched. I.E. if darth gets lynched pops green, lynch someone who voted for darth. Vice versa. If red pops, lynch someone who voted for the other. Obviously. Atleast that's how I feel. On July 22 2010 10:01 Divinek wrote: Cool, let's kill anyone whose playstyle we don't like. Darth, I'd suggest you claim now...lol....And yes, I vote people based on play styles. (posting this all early. Day getting close to ending. Thoughts and what nots. Not anaylsis...Don't have time atm) ##Vote Darth | ||
youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
I dunno, subversion's post seems odd to me but I'm not going to change my vote. Also: youngminii was a newb too, he rocked pretty hard in my game. <3 | ||
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youngminii
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