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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 22 2010 01:03 GMT
#1041
On July 22 2010 10:01 Divinek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 10:00 DarthThienAn wrote:
On July 22 2010 09:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
@DTA
So now we can't even take your blue hints seriously? Dude just die already. I'm tired of trying to sift through your jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes without at least having Ellen Page to keep my company.


If you're mafia, yea, you'd love to see me die, wouldn't you ^_^.

What blue hints? The extremely obvious "I'm a Mad Hatter" / "I'm Godfather" claims? Seriously, if I was a blue, would I really be so obvious about it? On second thought... would I? There's nothing to draw from those posts - nothing except what you want to draw from them. And what you draw on them just depends on what bias you have, because it's all wifom, isn't it? There's no absolute way of knowing.

lol at the reference.


so is mafia just a dancing game until we have absolute information or something

If everyone played like DTA, yes. That's why town shouldn't play like this and we should go after people who do.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 22 2010 01:04 GMT
#1042
On July 22 2010 09:10 chaoser wrote:
er, can i edit the grammar of that previous post?

you may if you're referring to that nasty double-negative.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 22 2010 01:04 GMT
#1043
On July 22 2010 10:01 Divinek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 10:00 DarthThienAn wrote:
On July 22 2010 09:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
@DTA
So now we can't even take your blue hints seriously? Dude just die already. I'm tired of trying to sift through your jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes without at least having Ellen Page to keep my company.


If you're mafia, yea, you'd love to see me die, wouldn't you ^_^.

What blue hints? The extremely obvious "I'm a Mad Hatter" / "I'm Godfather" claims? Seriously, if I was a blue, would I really be so obvious about it? On second thought... would I? There's nothing to draw from those posts - nothing except what you want to draw from them. And what you draw on them just depends on what bias you have, because it's all wifom, isn't it? There's no absolute way of knowing.

lol at the reference.


so is mafia just a dancing game until we have absolute information or something


Basically. Like... Ace? said, it's about persuading people. Because unless you got some blues pwning or some reds mess up hard, it's all about what you think.
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 22 2010 01:04 GMT
#1044
On July 22 2010 10:00 DarthThienAn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 09:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
@DTA
So now we can't even take your blue hints seriously? Dude just die already. I'm tired of trying to sift through your jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes without at least having Ellen Page to keep my company.


If you're mafia, yea, you'd love to see me die, wouldn't you ^_^.

What blue hints? The extremely obvious "I'm a Mad Hatter" / "I'm Godfather" claims? Seriously, if I was a blue, would I really be so obvious about it? On second thought... would I? There's nothing to draw from those posts - nothing except what you want to draw from them. And what you draw on them just depends on what bias you have, because it's all wifom, isn't it? There's no absolute way of knowing.

lol at the reference.

You also talked about not being able to use your second bomb if you were killed today. Totally hypothetical, of course. Or perhaps jokingly. Or maybe you were serious but now you are trying to retract.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 22 2010 01:04 GMT
#1045
On July 22 2010 09:12 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 09:07 Subversion wrote:
And Pandain, I thought our PM love was true. </3


Subversion, I will ALWAYS love you.

Here-------far-------whereEVER you are I believe that the heart will go on.


no more celine dion or face modkill
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
July 22 2010 01:06 GMT
#1046
On July 21 2010 10:16 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 09:42 Subversion wrote:
On July 21 2010 09:31 LaXerCannon wrote:
On July 21 2010 09:29 Subversion wrote:
Go back and look. There's a tally by someone saying 7-4, then after that my vote comes.

Someone stated afterwards that their was an error in counting somewhere, and there were 2 unvotes after that I didn't see.

My vote only looks suspicious due to really poor timing =/


You don't vote for someone just because "they're fucked anyways". That's how bandwagons form. If we have a mafia starting a bandwagon, we _should_not_ just jump on it even if it's winning.


I've already defended this a million times now I told you, there was noone else that looked better, and I didn't want to abstain. Sure, maybe I should've just abstained, but everyone was saying abstaining is stupid and I'm new and I didn't want to fuck up. Lol, that's gone great so far

Also, why the fuck all the attention on my vote? Someone made a great post about how Hyperbola's fate was sealed in a block of 4 or 5 votes within an hour. Why is noone looking at those people? My vote came hours afterwards, when he was already circling the drain. It seems pretty clear to me that I'm just a n00b townie jumping on a bandwagon.

Why has everyone forgotten about the big group of people that STARTED the bandwagon in the 1st place?

You came in with the deciding vote in the end. Hyperbola's fate wasn't sealed and he easily could have been the one still alive today and not youngminii. The person who started Hyperbola's vote train was the guy Hyperbola accused at the very beginning without reading anything. The Mafia has no reason to start a bandwagon on Day 1. No need to risk, especially when they know who's what and they have the power to pretty much bandwagon any vote at the last minute to skew it in their favor.

Which brings us back to you, the deciding vote in the end. I'd say you sealed Hyperbola's fate by jumping on board late, which can very possibly be due to Mafia bandwagoning at the last moment. Also, don't bring up this noob card. No one cares if you're a noob.

Bandwagoning late day is more telling then bandwagoning early. Especially among rather new people. And the mafia could wretch their votes away as the bandwagon grows, saying they were being rash in voting for someone. Don't try and argue about fates being sealed and saying bandwagoning is risky. I've seen it pay off quiet a bit before. I don't bandwagon though...I voted brownbear early because he posted a stupid plan, AND jumped on a BS bandwagon.

*still reading thread, had to go pick my gf's puppy up today (lil chihuahua, and posting from her shitty lap top) so gimme a minute*
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 22 2010 01:06 GMT
#1047
On July 22 2010 10:03 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 10:01 Divinek wrote:
On July 22 2010 10:00 DarthThienAn wrote:
On July 22 2010 09:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
@DTA
So now we can't even take your blue hints seriously? Dude just die already. I'm tired of trying to sift through your jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes without at least having Ellen Page to keep my company.


If you're mafia, yea, you'd love to see me die, wouldn't you ^_^.

What blue hints? The extremely obvious "I'm a Mad Hatter" / "I'm Godfather" claims? Seriously, if I was a blue, would I really be so obvious about it? On second thought... would I? There's nothing to draw from those posts - nothing except what you want to draw from them. And what you draw on them just depends on what bias you have, because it's all wifom, isn't it? There's no absolute way of knowing.

lol at the reference.


so is mafia just a dancing game until we have absolute information or something

If everyone played like DTA, yes. That's why town shouldn't play like this and we should go after people who do.


Cool, let's kill anyone whose playstyle we don't like.


On July 22 2010 10:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 10:00 DarthThienAn wrote:
On July 22 2010 09:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
@DTA
So now we can't even take your blue hints seriously? Dude just die already. I'm tired of trying to sift through your jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes without at least having Ellen Page to keep my company.


If you're mafia, yea, you'd love to see me die, wouldn't you ^_^.

What blue hints? The extremely obvious "I'm a Mad Hatter" / "I'm Godfather" claims? Seriously, if I was a blue, would I really be so obvious about it? On second thought... would I? There's nothing to draw from those posts - nothing except what you want to draw from them. And what you draw on them just depends on what bias you have, because it's all wifom, isn't it? There's no absolute way of knowing.

lol at the reference.

You also talked about not being able to use your second bomb if you were killed today. Totally hypothetical, of course. Or perhaps jokingly. Or maybe you were serious but now you are trying to retract.


I guess you'll never know.
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 22 2010 01:06 GMT
#1048

*7] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, LaXerCannon, rastaban)
7] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, jayme, Amber[LighT], Pandain, chaoser, DarthThienAn)
6] chaoser ( youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, citi.zen, BrownBear)
3] Brownbear (Divinek, tricode, ~opz~)
2] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler, Divinek)
Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum,lakrismamma)


* = first in case of a tie

not voting:
everyone voted!

double lynch:

(1/15)
iNfuNdiBuLuM


On July 22 2010 10:00 Divinek wrote:
you have a 1 beside amber when it should be 2 and you spelled my name wrong

A thousand pardons effendi!


On July 22 2010 10:00 SiNiquity wrote:
You've got 7 people on Subversion but the tally at 8.

Good catch thanks.

Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12985 Posts
July 22 2010 01:06 GMT
#1049
On July 22 2010 10:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 10:00 DarthThienAn wrote:
On July 22 2010 09:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
@DTA
So now we can't even take your blue hints seriously? Dude just die already. I'm tired of trying to sift through your jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes without at least having Ellen Page to keep my company.


If you're mafia, yea, you'd love to see me die, wouldn't you ^_^.

What blue hints? The extremely obvious "I'm a Mad Hatter" / "I'm Godfather" claims? Seriously, if I was a blue, would I really be so obvious about it? On second thought... would I? There's nothing to draw from those posts - nothing except what you want to draw from them. And what you draw on them just depends on what bias you have, because it's all wifom, isn't it? There's no absolute way of knowing.

lol at the reference.

You also talked about not being able to use your second bomb if you were killed today. Totally hypothetical, of course. Or perhaps jokingly. Or maybe you were serious but now you are trying to retract.


I think you're looking way too into this. Wayyyyyyyy too into this.
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 22 2010 01:07 GMT
#1050
On July 22 2010 10:04 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 09:12 Pandain wrote:
On July 22 2010 09:07 Subversion wrote:
And Pandain, I thought our PM love was true. </3


Subversion, I will ALWAYS love you.

Here-------far-------whereEVER you are I believe that the heart will go on.


no more celine dion or face modkill


I listened to the whole thing, I love that woman's voice Drives my wife crazy lol.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 22 2010 01:07 GMT
#1051
Opz, you should vote for Subversion.
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 22 2010 01:08 GMT
#1052
On July 22 2010 10:07 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 10:04 Bill Murray wrote:
On July 22 2010 09:12 Pandain wrote:
On July 22 2010 09:07 Subversion wrote:
And Pandain, I thought our PM love was true. </3


Subversion, I will ALWAYS love you.

Here-------far-------whereEVER you are I believe that the heart will go on.


no more celine dion or face modkill


I listened to the whole thing, I love that woman's voice Drives my wife crazy lol.


you should vote for Subversion too.
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 22 2010 01:09 GMT
#1053
On July 22 2010 09:00 tree.hugger wrote:
This is the stupidest thing, pretty much ever.

Is there evidence against chaoser? Nobody can really explain what it is. Is there evidence against DTA? Hardly. Is there evidence against Subversion? Yes, there is.

1) Subversion voted at the last minute to lynch someone who's bandwagon was pathetic from the start, and really had nothing behind it. But the real significance of that vote, was that it saved someone else (youngminii). We didn't know about it at the time, because BM's count was off, but the mafia (assuming for a moment that youngminii is red) would clearly have a much more accurate count. They might've assumed that BM's vote count would be a cover, but at any rate they needed to make sure to save their own member.

2) Subversion's post, in which he commented on how well the mafia were doing was (a) not true, and (b) something that I don't think I've ever heard anyone innocent ever say in a game of mafia. That's something I can see a new mafia member thinking a townie would say, but that's not something a townie would actually say.

Furthermore, lynching Subversion just makes plain sense from a town perspective. A whole host of people have put their reputations on the line to save Subversion. Nobody has said anything in chaoser's defense. Nobody has said anything in DTA's defense. They've been left to defend themselves, and, apparently to some people that looks guilty.

What does that mean? Aside from being absurdly suspicious, if we lynch Subversion, then we gain a ton of information. If Subversion flips red, then we catch youngminii right off the bat. citi.zen has been defending Subversion nearly every post he gets, albeit a little more subtlety. Almost everyone in the game is on record saying something about Subversion, which means that if we lynch him, we get to figure out who was right, and who was wrong and proceed from there.

None of the other lynch candidates are even close to as valuable as Subversion. If we lose another day lynching people who aren't mafia, then we're going to be in trouble.

Is anyone going to at least address Subversion's blue claim? I mean, apparently DTA is not even claiming blue, which was holding some people back. The softness of Subversion's claim is perhaps a bit suspicious, but why are all of his voters ignoring it?
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 22 2010 01:09 GMT
#1054

7] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, LaXerCannon, rastaban)
7] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, jayme, Amber[LighT], Pandain, chaoser, DarthThienAn)
6] chaoser (youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, citi.zen, BrownBear)
2] Brownbear (tricode, ~opz~)
2] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler, Divinek)
Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum, lakrismamma)


not voting:
everyone voted!

double lynch:

(1/15)
iNfuNdiBuLuM
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 22 2010 01:10 GMT
#1055
rastaban, stop it, you have divinek twice. i can do my job.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 22 2010 01:10 GMT
#1056
May I ask, what my death would inform you guys of? Besides my own role, of course. Would it point to anyone else?
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 22 2010 01:10 GMT
#1057
On July 22 2010 10:09 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 09:00 tree.hugger wrote:
This is the stupidest thing, pretty much ever.

Is there evidence against chaoser? Nobody can really explain what it is. Is there evidence against DTA? Hardly. Is there evidence against Subversion? Yes, there is.

1) Subversion voted at the last minute to lynch someone who's bandwagon was pathetic from the start, and really had nothing behind it. But the real significance of that vote, was that it saved someone else (youngminii). We didn't know about it at the time, because BM's count was off, but the mafia (assuming for a moment that youngminii is red) would clearly have a much more accurate count. They might've assumed that BM's vote count would be a cover, but at any rate they needed to make sure to save their own member.

2) Subversion's post, in which he commented on how well the mafia were doing was (a) not true, and (b) something that I don't think I've ever heard anyone innocent ever say in a game of mafia. That's something I can see a new mafia member thinking a townie would say, but that's not something a townie would actually say.

Furthermore, lynching Subversion just makes plain sense from a town perspective. A whole host of people have put their reputations on the line to save Subversion. Nobody has said anything in chaoser's defense. Nobody has said anything in DTA's defense. They've been left to defend themselves, and, apparently to some people that looks guilty.

What does that mean? Aside from being absurdly suspicious, if we lynch Subversion, then we gain a ton of information. If Subversion flips red, then we catch youngminii right off the bat. citi.zen has been defending Subversion nearly every post he gets, albeit a little more subtlety. Almost everyone in the game is on record saying something about Subversion, which means that if we lynch him, we get to figure out who was right, and who was wrong and proceed from there.

None of the other lynch candidates are even close to as valuable as Subversion. If we lose another day lynching people who aren't mafia, then we're going to be in trouble.

Is anyone going to at least address Subversion's blue claim? I mean, apparently DTA is not even claiming blue, which was holding some people back. The softness of Subversion's claim is perhaps a bit suspicious, but why are all of his voters ignoring it?


Because I think he's red?
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 22 2010 01:10 GMT
#1058
day ends in 2 hours and 49 minutes and around 14 seconds... er make that 48 minutes and 40 seconds... you get the drift
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 22 2010 01:17 GMT
#1059
tick tock lynch clock
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 22 2010 01:19 GMT
#1060
On July 22 2010 10:10 Bill Murray wrote:
rastaban, stop it, you have divinek twice. i can do my job.



Sorry what I was doing wasn't meant to infer anything about you doing your job. I just wanted an updated list as things changed so that people could make informed decisions like Darth/Chaoser placing votes on subversion to keep themselves from being lynched.

Your job isn't to post continual tallies (unless you want to) I just prefer informed decisions and no last minute surprises.

+ Show Spoiler +

I didn't have divinek twice, not sure what you mean
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