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youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 02:10 GMT
#1121
On July 22 2010 11:09 Subversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 11:08 SouthRawrea wrote:
On July 22 2010 11:00 Subversion wrote:
Also, I don't know what wifom means


WIFOM= Wine in front of me

Not sure how to explain it but it basically is the situation where you're thinking this could be a green or a blue hiding himself as a green to not get killed or a green hiding himself as a blue hiding himself as a green to protect the blues or a blue hiding himself as a green as a blue as a green.. etc


lolz, worlds most confusing paragraph xD

But it's a great example of what WIFOM does to people
lalala
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 22 2010 02:10 GMT
#1122
Hey Opz, I'm looking for the post where you address tree.hugger's post, but it's playing hard to get. Link me?
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
July 22 2010 02:11 GMT
#1123
On July 22 2010 11:00 Subversion wrote:
Also, I don't know what wifom means

wine in front of me.

-_-
Would you drink from your wine glass, or would you take the glass from the person who provided the wine glass?

a.k.a. bunch of bs to make us run in circles.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 22 2010 02:13 GMT
#1124


THIS is WIFOM

Sigh, I don't even know what to think anymore. At this point I feel like none of us are mafia ;_;. Since both DTA and Subversion are soft claiming blue, I don't mind if I get lynched. I'm only green btw.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 22 2010 02:13 GMT
#1125
Wait Opz, why do you want to kill Amber?
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 22 2010 02:13 GMT
#1126
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 22 2010 11:13 chaoser wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkBuKQEkio&feature=related

THIS is WIFOM

Sigh, I don't even know what to think anymore. At this point I feel like none of us are mafia ;_;. Since both DTA and Subversion are soft claiming blue, I don't mind if I get lynched. I'm only green btw.


We should just lynch me to prove how bad Pyrr is at this game.
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
July 22 2010 02:15 GMT
#1127
On July 22 2010 11:08 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 11:06 Divinek wrote:
On July 22 2010 11:03 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Continued from last post:
And he didn't go on to do it. Even though I think Darth was on the block at the time. He still hasn't changed to anything (not sure where is vote is right now either). I imagine mafia would discuss this in PMs and would probably just PM BM to find out if Darth was on the block, so it doesn't seem scummy but it's really weird.


it's more a lesser of two evils, this could easily be town on town dung flinging

Well I get it now, you're hot to trot on Amber[Light]. Can someone explain the case against Amber? I'd look it up myself but we've past 50 pages now so we can't open all the pages at once anymore.


ill just throw the part of BC's post directed at amber

+ Show Spoiler +


On July 19 2010 01:34 Amber[LighT] wrote:
###vote youngminii
if I have to trust someone I trust xelin. I'm going to follow his decisions till the end of the day at least.

Sorry got to the game early so I read some posts :D


This post intrigues me, a lot. HE is blind trusting someone to follow for voting, which makes the third vote of a bandwagon that formed in the last 17 hours of the day, all 3 voting with in a page of eachother. Super odd to be formed a) so late and b) with next to no real debate.

On July 20 2010 22:15 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Why is it that all of a sudden d3 claims he was protected and BrownBear becomes the official 'active' townie with all of this great insight.

Up until about 12 hours ago (last time I checked the thread) he was nowhere to be found, and now that 1 person gave him something to run with, he's invaded about 2/3's of the last 2 pages with nonsense analysis about d3. What's even worse is that he wants our "other" veteran to roleclaim.

ATTN OTHER VETERAN: DO NOT ROLECLAIM!!!!

The goal of the veteran, as stated numerous times, is to be the meatshield. His vote is only worth 1, regardless of how long he is left in the game. His job is to soak damage up from night kills. By outing our veterans, we are pretty much giving the mafia enough information to say "don't hit these players." I'm against that plan completely, and I'm against BrownBear.

Hopefully the DT's are working their magic from last night and getting in contact with the players they checked. The DT role is pretty black/white and very strong in this game, so we need to keep those guys alive. The DT's should form their own circles and use the players they checked as voice-boxes. The players who have been checked should, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, reveal to any other player who the DT is unless they are verified. The only way the DT circles should combine is if AND ONLY IF by chance a DT checks another DT. Please be smart about this guys.

I'm sticking with the opinion of the previous night to lynch the most useless player:

##Vote: BrownBear

I'll consider changing my vote if some of the more 'influential players' have a better suggestion.




This vote is a completely different style, levels out with what he said the day before of not having time, here he obviously did as it’s a moderately informed vote. HOWEVER he later does this

On July 22 2010 01:34 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Unvote BrownBear
##Vote: Subversion

Though I think BrownBear's analysis and plan is crappy, we can get more info is we lynch Subversion. Lynching BB just proves that we, as a town, aren't as organized as we would like to be. The Subversion discussion caught a lot of players, many more than the BB discussion. By determining Subversion's role we can pinpoint other key players who were pushing for and against the Subversion lynch. I'm willing to risk putting my name into the hat to get the town on a better path to victory. Depending on the flip, the DT's should try and look at key players involved in the Subversion dispute.




Here shows that rather than being certain of his choices, he going bandwagon to bandwagon. Subversion has had far to many people jump on him for being a bad player when the kid is new. And now another player, who should know better based on experience, is jumping at him. Seriously fishy imo. Very little activity overall and hoping onto bandwagons is all hes really doing.

Amber seems to vote for whichever wagon at the time is attracting the most people, hopping onto Youngminii near its beginning, then proceeding to jump on BB when it was in its prime, now hes hopped over to subversion. This is insanely odd to me.
[/QUOTE][/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 02:15 GMT
#1128
On July 22 2010 11:13 chaoser wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkBuKQEkio&feature=related

THIS is WIFOM

Sigh, I don't even know what to think anymore. At this point I feel like none of us are mafia ;_;. Since both DTA and Subversion are soft claiming blue, I don't mind if I get lynched. I'm only green btw.

Holy shit I totally remember watching that on TV when I was a kid.
lalala
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 22 2010 02:15 GMT
#1129
On July 22 2010 11:13 DarthThienAn wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 22 2010 11:13 chaoser wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkBuKQEkio&feature=related

THIS is WIFOM

Sigh, I don't even know what to think anymore. At this point I feel like none of us are mafia ;_;. Since both DTA and Subversion are soft claiming blue, I don't mind if I get lynched. I'm only green btw.


We should just lynch me to prove how bad Pyrr is at this game.


Now the two of us are examples of WIFOM. WHY DO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING INCEPTION-ED?!?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
July 22 2010 02:16 GMT
#1130
lol fuck i butchered that thing but im sure you can seperate it

how could preview fail me
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 22 2010 02:16 GMT
#1131
Any chance of people changing vote completely?

Mass select a new target? I believe me, chaoser and DTA are all innocent.
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
July 22 2010 02:16 GMT
#1132
On July 22 2010 10:37 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 09:00 tree.hugger wrote:
This is the stupidest thing, pretty much ever.

Is there evidence against chaoser? Nobody can really explain what it is. Is there evidence against DTA? Hardly. Is there evidence against Subversion? Yes, there is.

1) Subversion voted at the last minute to lynch someone who's bandwagon was pathetic from the start, and really had nothing behind it. But the real significance of that vote, was that it saved someone else (youngminii). We didn't know about it at the time, because BM's count was off, but the mafia (assuming for a moment that youngminii is red) would clearly have a much more accurate count. They might've assumed that BM's vote count would be a cover, but at any rate they needed to make sure to save their own member.

2) Subversion's post, in which he commented on how well the mafia were doing was (a) not true, and (b) something that I don't think I've ever heard anyone innocent ever say in a game of mafia. That's something I can see a new mafia member thinking a townie would say, but that's not something a townie would actually say.

Furthermore, lynching Subversion just makes plain sense from a town perspective. A whole host of people have put their reputations on the line to save Subversion. Nobody has said anything in chaoser's defense. Nobody has said anything in DTA's defense. They've been left to defend themselves, and, apparently to some people that looks guilty.

What does that mean? Aside from being absurdly suspicious, if we lynch Subversion, then we gain a ton of information. If Subversion flips red, then we catch youngminii right off the bat. citi.zen has been defending Subversion nearly every post he gets, albeit a little more subtlety. Almost everyone in the game is on record saying something about Subversion, which means that if we lynch him, we get to figure out who was right, and who was wrong and proceed from there.

None of the other lynch candidates are even close to as valuable as Subversion. If we lose another day lynching people who aren't mafia, then we're going to be in trouble.

YoungMini has put his reputation on the line for DTA...Give me a sec...I'll link it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561&currentpage=44#873

Now shush.

I believe this was the closest I came to addressing it darth. It wasn't addressed at me. And I was using it to confirm why lynching either of you provides NOTHING on youngmini, because he defended both of you...in round about ways.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
SouthRawrea
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada608 Posts
July 22 2010 02:17 GMT
#1133
On July 22 2010 11:13 chaoser wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkBuKQEkio&feature=related

THIS is WIFOM

Sigh, I don't even know what to think anymore. At this point I feel like none of us are mafia ;_;. Since both DTA and Subversion are soft claiming blue, I don't mind if I get lynched. I'm only green btw.



Subversion hard claimed blue.
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 22 2010 02:18 GMT
#1134
On July 22 2010 11:13 DarthThienAn wrote:
Wait Opz, why do you want to kill Amber?


Wat?

He never said he wanted to kill me.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
July 22 2010 02:19 GMT
#1135
*Addition*
Not only that, but tree.hugger says many reputations lie on it. My argument is against tree.hugger, because his reasoning is weak, but he chose to defend you and not subversion. WHich is why I'm voting to lynch you (not to mention you're play this game is annoying). He said youngmini defended subversion so it gives us insight into how mini is aligned, BUT mini defended you too...so how can he argue that?
He can't.

I'd be happy with Tree.Hugger's death too.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 22 2010 02:20 GMT
#1136
On July 22 2010 11:01 Divinek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 10:58 Subversion wrote:
DTA, if I'm honest, I don't like any of this voting.

If I had to bet money on it, I'd say not one of the 3 major candidates is mafia, including you.

But you're good at this game, and you may just be fooling me. If I'm truthful, I wish we could all change to another target. But that's not going to happen.

Since I KNOW I'm not mafia and am useful to town, and thats all I really can know 100%, I think you're a better choice.

I thought the post on you was a good one, although your defense has since led me to believe that you're probably town. The reference to your past character is not from my knowledge, this is my 1st game, but its from that post.

Bottom line is, no I don't think you're mafia. But I don't know that for sure, and thus I know you're a better lynch than me, since I'm a really bad person to lynch.


yes, WE SHOULD VOTE FUCKING AMBER, if any of you dudes would be man enough to switch.

this is of course going to be hard to do cuz 3 of the votes are people trying to save their lives, but it'd only take all of them moving plus what 1 or 2 more?

if you really do want to hit a red vote amber, but between the 3 right now i am so unsure


Sorry Amber. Divinek and Opz have the same icons XD
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 02:20 GMT
#1137
On July 22 2010 11:13 chaoser wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkBuKQEkio&feature=related

THIS is WIFOM

Sigh, I don't even know what to think anymore. At this point I feel like none of us are mafia ;_;. Since both DTA and Subversion are soft claiming blue, I don't mind if I get lynched. I'm only green btw.

Hey I just remembered, he cheats in that. He put poison in both glasses because he's trained himself to be immune to that specific type of poison.
lalala
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 22 2010 02:20 GMT
#1138
On July 22 2010 11:19 ~OpZ~ wrote:
*Addition*
Not only that, but tree.hugger says many reputations lie on it. My argument is against tree.hugger, because his reasoning is weak, but he chose to defend you and not subversion. WHich is why I'm voting to lynch you (not to mention you're play this game is annoying). He said youngmini defended subversion so it gives us insight into how mini is aligned, BUT mini defended you too...so how can he argue that?
He can't.

I'd be happy with Tree.Hugger's death too.


can we kill him then? =]
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 22 2010 02:21 GMT
#1139
On July 22 2010 11:08 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 11:06 Divinek wrote:
On July 22 2010 11:03 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Continued from last post:
And he didn't go on to do it. Even though I think Darth was on the block at the time. He still hasn't changed to anything (not sure where is vote is right now either). I imagine mafia would discuss this in PMs and would probably just PM BM to find out if Darth was on the block, so it doesn't seem scummy but it's really weird.


it's more a lesser of two evils, this could easily be town on town dung flinging

Well I get it now, you're hot to trot on Amber[Light]. Can someone explain the case against Amber? I'd look it up myself but we've past 50 pages now so we can't open all the pages at once anymore.

Staff privileges \o/

On July 22 2010 11:13 chaoser wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkBuKQEkio&feature=related

THIS is WIFOM

Sigh, I don't even know what to think anymore. At this point I feel like none of us are mafia ;_;. Since both DTA and Subversion are soft claiming blue, I don't mind if I get lynched. I'm only green btw.

This is not a case of WIFOM. Both glasses were poisoned. This makes the term a misnomer!
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
July 22 2010 02:22 GMT
#1140
There seems to be enough of us online to change votes. I'm fine with BC or Tree.Hugger dying. BC's too deadly, and Tree.Hugger...well...He defended Darth in a bull shit no information and false information way, and jumped on Subversion with shitty logic. That is all.

AND he PM'd me, which is a no no. I only want PM's when I'm checked and saved.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
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