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On July 18 2010 08:10 Hyperbola wrote:
Hello my fellow Liquadians. I am here and active. Sup.
Just posting here not to get killed.
Btw SiNiquity is mafia because his last post is just way too long.
#### I vote SiNiquity
:rolleyes: inactive jumps into the game [after a mafia PM'd him to start posting and get off the inactive list, mm?], says nothing, and votes to kill a contributor.
On July 18 2010 09:59 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 09:51 Bill Murray wrote:
EVERYONE abstaining? I guess it'd no lynch. Didn't expect that to happen! Okay so everyone should abstain imo. If you have any objections to this idea, please raise it asap because we need everyone to switch their vote to abstaining. Even one vote = lynch and that will be very suspicious of the person who left their vote by 'accident'. ##Unvote Pyrr
##Vote Abstain
I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no?
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On July 18 2010 10:30 Tricode wrote:
##vote abstain
Just doing this if I don't make it tomorrow to vote. My dad is spending his last full day at home before he has to leave for a few months for work.
Other then that, I do suggest we lynch an inactive.
1.if we keep abstaining cause we are always uncertain of what to do, we will never push to killing and finding a mafia member if we went at that rate.
2. That person who is being inactive is probably useless to us anyways just because they are not doing anything to participate.
3. One of the inactive are likely to be mafia just because there is usually one or two guys that are inactive or just post a little bit just so they can stay alive.
Either case, we won't accomplish anything by abstaining, it might even hurt us cause if we keep the option in our head we might use it to much in fear of constantly killing townies/blues and such. So I suggest try keeping abstains as placeholders or if you are truly uncertain in what to do.
Otherwise I encourage and highly suggest that we always use our lynches.
Agreed. The only thing we can gain from this postponement is additional detective checks, and that's at the cost of 2 mafia hits on us. There's no other information that can be gleaned by waiting. There aren't clues. If I'm missing something then lay it out there.
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On July 18 2010 10:40 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 10:13 SiNiquity wrote:On July 18 2010 09:59 youngminii wrote:On July 18 2010 09:51 Bill Murray wrote:
EVERYONE abstaining? I guess it'd no lynch. Didn't expect that to happen! Okay so everyone should abstain imo. If you have any objections to this idea, please raise it asap because we need everyone to switch their vote to abstaining. Even one vote = lynch and that will be very suspicious of the person who left their vote by 'accident'. ##Unvote Pyrr
##Vote Abstain I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no? Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 10:16 Jayme wrote:
No-Lynch?
Oh hell no absolutely not.
I don't understand how a no-lynch is beneficial to the town if you're going to kill an inactive anyway. You learn absolutely nothing from it, you don't even have a CHANCE at hitting a red, and you're basically wasting a whole day on nothing.
No lynch is a terrible idea. If we lynch someone on the first day without any good reason there's a solid chance (12/15) that we'll hit a townie. That's 80%. There's also a better chance of lynching a blue than there is of scum. A no lynch is a gift that we should utilize instead of RVS.
There's a 27% chance we will hit a blue tonight. The mafia has a 57% chance of hitting a blue on the first night.
But if you want a good reason, then I'd consider hyperbola. Not to look petty, but his only contribution is "Hi, I'm active!" In fact, if you search his recent games, he's been inactive in most of them, and the last one he used this to his advantage to fly under the radar as mafia. So he has a history of being inactive. Assuming this continues, he's either an inactive townie or mafia, but either way it works to our advantage to lynch him.
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Sorry for my absence yesterday - visiting relatives (on my anniversary no less, though we celebrated last month prematurely while we were in Europe) went wayy longer than I thought. Went to bed thinking we weren't allowed to talk - glad BM changed his mind.
Day 1 Votes:
+ Show Spoiler [Voting Record (ordered by votes)] +Pre-game votes: [ link] jayme ==> Amber[LighT] [ link] DarthThienAn ==> Abstain [ link] DarthThienAn ==> d3_crescentia [ link] d3_crescentia ==> DarthThienAn [ link] citi.zen ==> DarthThienAn [ link] rastaban ==> citi.zen Day 1 Votes[ link] youngminii ==> Pyrrhuloxia [ link] Pandain ==> Incognito [ link] SouthRawrea ==> Incognito (edited to Abstain few hours later) [ link] ~OpZ~ ==> Chaoser [ link] BloodyC0bbler ==> Abstain [ link] bumatlarge ==> Divinek [ link] Pandain ==> BloodyC0bbler [ link] Hyperbola ==> SiNiquity [ link] LaXerCannon ==> Abstain [ link] youngminii ==> Abstain [ link] Divinek ==> Abstain [ link] Tricode ==> Abstain [ link] Misder ==> Hyperbola [ link] Divinek ==> Hyperbola [ link] Pandain ==> Hyperbola [ link] Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain [ link] Zeks ==> Hyperbola [ link] SiNiquity ==> Hyperbola [ link] Roffles ==> Abstain [ link] tree.hugger ==> LaXerCannon [ link] Foolishness ==> Abstain [ link] Lakrismamma ==> LaXerCannon [ link] Lakrismamma ==> Subversion [ link] BloodyC0bbler ==> Pandain [ link] ~OpZ~ ==> BloodyC0bbler [ link] Pyrrhuloxia ==> DarthThienAn [ link] XeliN ==> Brownbear [ link] iNfuNdiBuLuM ==> youngminii [ link] youngminii ==> iNfuNdiBuLuM [ link] citi.zen ==> ketomai [ link] XeliN ==> youngminii [ link] chaoser ==> Abstain [ link] Amber[LighT] ==> Abstain [ link] tree.hugger ==> DarthThienAn [ link] Amber[LighT] ==> youngminii [ link] Roffles ==> youngminii [ link] lakrismamma ==> ketomai [ link] DarthThienAn ==> Amber[LighT] [ link] bumatlarge ==> Hyperbola [ link] BrownBear ==> Hyperbola [ link] Protactinium ==> Abstain [ link] Jayme ==> youngminii [ link] Foolishness ==> BloodyC0bbler [ link] Misder ==> LaXerCannon [ link] zeks ==> Abstain [ link] Subversion ==> Hyperbola
+ Show Spoiler [Voting Record (ordered by player)] +
jayme ==> Amber[LighT] ==> youngminii
DarthThienAn ==> Abstain ==> d3_crescentia ==> Amber[LighT]
d3_crescentia ==> DarthThienAn
citi.zen ==> DarthThienAn ==> ketomai
rastaban ==> citi.zen
youngminii ==> Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain ==> iNfuNdiBuLuM
Pandain ==> Incognito ==> BloodyC0bbler ==> Hyperbola
SouthRawrea ==> Incognito/Abstain
~OpZ~ ==> Chaoser ==> BloodyC0bbler
BloodyC0bbler ==> Abstain ==> Pandain
bumatlarge ==> Divinek ==> Hyperbola
Hyperbola ==> SiNiquity
LaXerCannon ==> Abstain
Divinek ==> Abstain ==> Hyperbola
Tricode ==> Abstain
Misder ==> Hyperbola ==> LaXerCannon
Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain ==> DarthThienAn
Zeks ==> Hyperbola ==> Abstain
SiNiquity ==> Hyperbola
Roffles ==> Abstain ==> youngminii
tree.hugger ==> LaXerCannon ==> DarthThienAn
Foolishness ==> Abstain ==> BloodyC0bbler
Lakrismamma ==> LaXerCannon ==> Subversion ==> ketomai
XeliN ==> Brownbear ==> youngminii
iNfuNdiBuLuM ==> youngminii
chaoser ==> Abstain
Amber[LighT] ==> Abstain ==> youngminii
BrownBear ==> Hyperbola
Protactinium ==> Abstain
Subversion ==> Hyperbola
Comments:
+ Show Spoiler [Look at the data yourself first] +Few things that jumped out at me: - Jayme voted for youngminii, not Amber[LighT] (brings youngminii's vote up to 5 from 4 - this is important, as you'll see in a bit).
- Subversion Votes for Hyperbola with a one liner as night approaches, 45 minutes before the deadline. The vote was previously tied at 5-5. There wasn't a vote count with the Jayme mistake in it, as Jayme voted in between the Last Non-Final Vote Count (4.5 hours before deadline) and the Final Vote Count. It could be a freak coincidence, and had it been left at tied Hyperbola would've won, as he achieved more votes first. But maybe it was too close for comfort, as it was 7 - 5 before two people unvoted Hyperbole. Who's to say another wouldn't have jumped ship? Putting it 6-5 made it more secure.
- youngminii as implied by the Subv.'s move. Again, this could be coincidence.
- Rastaban left his vote on citi.zen, a pre-game/pre-role vote, despite promising to change it. He doesn't disappear after this, but rather continues in the thread to argue about the lynch/no-lynch debate, even up until a few hours before the deadline, without ever changing his vote.
- citi.zen and lakrismamma left their votes on ketomai, someone who was almost assuredly going to get mod-killed. Citi.zen did this initially to "get ketomai to participate," and lak followed suit, though when ketomai didn't participate (obv. modkill target) the vote should've been moved, especially after he was replaced by Protactinium. Likely a simple mistake, but should've been addressed more when DTA points out the wtf'ness
- BrownBear sticks out to me for the reasons already been covered. You'd think he's never played Mafia before based on the way he's playing, but that's hardly the case.
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Well this is what I get for not refreshing the thread. At the very least, it gives us 2 points of comparison. Any differences between the two can be noted.
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+ Show Spoiler [On July 20 2010 06:21 LaXerCannon wrote] +
Anyway, for the lazy here's the voting stuff:
Jayme -> Amber[light]
Pandain -> Pandain (abstain)
DTA -> Abstain -> d3_crescentia
d3_crescentia -> DTA
DTA -> Unabstain
citi.zen -> DTA
rastaban -> citi.zen
youngminii -> Pyrrhuloxia
Pandain -> Incognito [what? he's not playing]
SouthRawrea -> Abstain
~OpZ~ -> Chaoser
BloodyC0bbler -> Abstain
bumatlarge -> Divinek
Pandain -> BloodyC0bbler
LaXercannon -> Abstain
Youngminii -> Abstain
Divinek -> Abstain
Tricode -> Abstain
Misder -> Hyperbola
Divinek -> Hyperbola
Pandain -> Pandain Should be Hyperbola
Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain
zeks -> Hyperbola
SiNiquity -> Hyperbola
Roffles -> Abstain
tree.hugger ->LaXercannon
Foolishness -> Abstain
lakrismamma -> LaXercannon
lakrismamma -> Subversion
BloodyC0bbler -> Pandain
~OpZ~ -> BloodyC0bbler
Pyrrhuloxia -> DTA
XeliN -> Brownbear
iNfuNdiBuLuM -> youngminii
youngminii -> iNfuNdiBuLuM
citi.zen -> ketomai
XeliN -> youngminii
chaoser -> abstain
Amber[LighT] -> abstain
treehugger -> DTA
Amber[LighT] -> youngminii
Roffles -> youngminii
lakrismamma -> ketomai
DTA -> Amber[LighT]
bumatlarge -> Hyperbola
BrownBear -> Hyperbola
Jayme -> Youngminii
Foolishness -> BloodyC0bbler
Misder -> LaXerCannon
zeks -> Hyperbola Should be abstain
Subversion -> Hyperbola
I tried to make this look nice for a couple hours but this is probably the cleanest I can get it. Analysis on this coming up later
Couple of mistakes in there (double checked w/ my links)...
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On July 20 2010 06:27 SiNiquity wrote:Sorry for my absence yesterday - visiting relatives (on my anniversary no less, though we celebrated last month prematurely while we were in Europe) went wayy longer than I thought. Went to bed thinking we weren't allowed to talk - glad BM changed his mind. Day 1 Votes: + Show Spoiler [Voting Record (ordered by votes)] +Pre-game votes: [ link] jayme ==> Amber[LighT] [ link] DarthThienAn ==> Abstain [ link] DarthThienAn ==> d3_crescentia [ link] d3_crescentia ==> DarthThienAn [ link] citi.zen ==> DarthThienAn [ link] rastaban ==> citi.zen Day 1 Votes[ link] youngminii ==> Pyrrhuloxia [ link] Pandain ==> Incognito [ link] SouthRawrea ==> Incognito (edited to Abstain few hours later) [ link] ~OpZ~ ==> Chaoser [ link] BloodyC0bbler ==> Abstain [ link] bumatlarge ==> Divinek [ link] Pandain ==> BloodyC0bbler [ link] Hyperbola ==> SiNiquity [ link] LaXerCannon ==> Abstain [ link] youngminii ==> Abstain [ link] Divinek ==> Abstain [ link] Tricode ==> Abstain [ link] Misder ==> Hyperbola [ link] Divinek ==> Hyperbola [ link] Pandain ==> Hyperbola [ link] Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain [ link] Zeks ==> Hyperbola [ link] SiNiquity ==> Hyperbola [ link] Roffles ==> Abstain [ link] tree.hugger ==> LaXerCannon [ link] Foolishness ==> Abstain [ link] Lakrismamma ==> LaXerCannon [ link] Lakrismamma ==> Subversion [ link] BloodyC0bbler ==> Pandain [ link] ~OpZ~ ==> BloodyC0bbler [ link] Pyrrhuloxia ==> DarthThienAn [ link] XeliN ==> Brownbear [ link] iNfuNdiBuLuM ==> youngminii [ link] youngminii ==> iNfuNdiBuLuM [ link] citi.zen ==> ketomai [ link] XeliN ==> youngminii [ link] chaoser ==> Abstain [ link] Amber[LighT] ==> Abstain [ link] tree.hugger ==> DarthThienAn [ link] Amber[LighT] ==> youngminii [ link] Roffles ==> youngminii [ link] lakrismamma ==> ketomai [ link] DarthThienAn ==> Amber[LighT] [ link] bumatlarge ==> Hyperbola [ link] BrownBear ==> Hyperbola [ link] Protactinium ==> Abstain [ link] Jayme ==> youngminii [ link] Foolishness ==> BloodyC0bbler [ link] Misder ==> LaXerCannon [ link] zeks ==> Abstain [ link] Subversion ==> Hyperbola
jayme ==> Amber[LighT] ==> youngminii
DarthThienAn ==> Abstain ==> d3_crescentia ==> Amber[LighT]
d3_crescentia ==> DarthThienAn
citi.zen ==> DarthThienAn ==> ketomai
rastaban ==> citi.zen
youngminii ==> Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain ==> iNfuNdiBuLuM
Pandain ==> Incognito ==> BloodyC0bbler ==> Hyperbola
SouthRawrea ==> Incognito/Abstain
~OpZ~ ==> Chaoser ==> BloodyC0bbler
BloodyC0bbler ==> Abstain ==> Pandain
bumatlarge ==> Divinek ==> Hyperbola
Hyperbola ==> SiNiquity
LaXerCannon ==> Abstain
Divinek ==> Abstain ==> Hyperbola
Tricode ==> Abstain
Misder ==> Hyperbola ==> LaXerCannon
Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain ==> DarthThienAn
Zeks ==> Hyperbola ==> Abstain
SiNiquity ==> Hyperbola
Roffles ==> Abstain ==> youngminii
tree.hugger ==> LaXerCannon ==> DarthThienAn
Foolishness ==> Abstain ==> BloodyC0bbler
Lakrismamma ==> LaXerCannon ==> Subversion ==> ketomai
XeliN ==> Brownbear ==> youngminii
iNfuNdiBuLuM ==> youngminii
chaoser ==> Abstain
Amber[LighT] ==> Abstain ==> youngminii
BrownBear ==> Hyperbola
Protactinium ==> Abstain
Subversion ==> Hyperbola
Few things that jumped out at me: - Jayme voted for youngminii, not Amber[LighT] (brings youngminii's vote up to 5 from 4 - this is important, as you'll see in a bit).
- Subversion Votes for Hyperbola with a one liner as night approaches, 45 minutes before the deadline. The vote was previously tied at 5-5. There wasn't a vote count with the Jayme mistake in it, as Jayme voted in between the Last Non-Final Vote Count (4.5 hours before deadline) and the Final Vote Count. It could be a freak coincidence, and had it been left at tied Hyperbola would've won, as he achieved more votes first. But maybe it was too close for comfort, as it was 7 - 5 before two people unvoted Hyperbole. Who's to say another wouldn't have jumped ship? Putting it 6-5 made it more secure.
- youngminii as implied by the Subv.'s move. Again, this could be coincidence.
- Rastaban left his vote on citi.zen, a pre-game/pre-role vote, despite promising to change it. He doesn't disappear after this, but rather continues in the thread to argue about the lynch/no-lynch debate, even up until a few hours before the deadline, without ever changing his vote.
- citi.zen and lakrismamma left their votes on ketomai, someone who was almost assuredly going to get mod-killed. Citi.zen did this initially to "get ketomai to participate," and lak followed suit, though when ketomai didn't participate (obv. modkill target) the vote should've been moved, especially after he was replaced by Protactinium. Likely a simple mistake, but should've been addressed more when DTA points out the wtf'ness
- BrownBear sticks out to me for the reasons already been covered. You'd think he's never played Mafia before based on the way he's playing, but that's hardly the case.
wtf, how much more organized can you get than this?  Only thing missing is fixed-formatting which TL doesn't have AFAIK
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Added time stamps to first set. Hopefully this helps some:
Day 1 Votes:
+ Show Spoiler [Voting Record (ordered by votes)] +
As a note, nothing changed here, but this set is ordered by whoever cast their initial vote first:
+ Show Spoiler [Voting Record (ordered by player)] +
jayme ==> Amber[LighT] ==> youngminii
DarthThienAn ==> Abstain ==> d3_crescentia ==> Amber[LighT]
d3_crescentia ==> DarthThienAn
citi.zen ==> DarthThienAn ==> ketomai
rastaban ==> citi.zen
youngminii ==> Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain ==> iNfuNdiBuLuM
Pandain ==> Incognito ==> BloodyC0bbler ==> Hyperbola
SouthRawrea ==> Incognito/Abstain
~OpZ~ ==> Chaoser ==> BloodyC0bbler
BloodyC0bbler ==> Abstain ==> Pandain
bumatlarge ==> Divinek ==> Hyperbola
Hyperbola ==> SiNiquity
LaXerCannon ==> Abstain
Divinek ==> Abstain ==> Hyperbola
Tricode ==> Abstain
Misder ==> Hyperbola ==> LaXerCannon
Pyrrhuloxia ==> Abstain ==> DarthThienAn
Zeks ==> Hyperbola ==> Abstain
SiNiquity ==> Hyperbola
Roffles ==> Abstain ==> youngminii
tree.hugger ==> LaXerCannon ==> DarthThienAn
Foolishness ==> Abstain ==> BloodyC0bbler
Lakrismamma ==> LaXerCannon ==> Subversion ==> ketomai
XeliN ==> Brownbear ==> youngminii
iNfuNdiBuLuM ==> youngminii
chaoser ==> Abstain
Amber[LighT] ==> Abstain ==> youngminii
BrownBear ==> Hyperbola
Protactinium ==> Abstain
Subversion ==> Hyperbola
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On July 20 2010 08:03 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 08:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On July 20 2010 07:44 Foolishness wrote:
So if I'm understanding this, youngminii was ahead in the votes, then BrownBear and bumatlarge voted for Hyperbola, which pushed Hyperbola ahead in the voting (and he stayed ahead until day end). So it's possible there was a push to save youngminii from being lynched.
Of course please correct me if I'm mistaken. The people above me who are doing the vote tally are very very very unorganized with their posts. From looking at the post after this one, I think Hyperbola had 5 to youngminii's 4, and then brownbear and bumatlarge made it 7-4. But the final was 6-4 right?
No, that's what I was saying.
The final vote count was 6-5. BM miscounted (attributed Jaymee's vote to Amber instead of youngminii)
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I think the Mafia hit BM gg
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Dude congratulations  Is a general timeframe known for the wedding, or still working the details out?
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On July 21 2010 10:21 Pandain wrote:
Also, at the time Subversion voted, if he had been following up to that point he should have thought it was 4-3 (Hyperbola-Youngmini.) Two people had just unvoted Hyperbola,(neither of them changed their vote to youngmini.) It turns out BM had miscounted the votes(As far as I am aware), but if Subversion had not known that, his vote would have just made it a tie, not have been the deciding factor.
Another thing; If the Mafia HAD been aware of BM's miscalculation, and Subversion IS part of the mafia, than perhaps the mafia did do this to save Youngmini. So the question comes down to whether the mafia was aware or not.
I tried explaining this earlier but did a piss poor job. In short, BM's miscalculation was only after the day was over. BM had a vote tally before that, but Jaymee (the vote that was miscounted) voted after that tally.
So if the Mafia had their own internal tally going (not entirely unlikely - quick PM saying "holy shit it's 5-5"), they could have realized it was 5-5 and pushed it one way or the other. It could also be a coincidence and the Mafia are sitting back laughing at their fortunate circumstances.
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--BM tally (6-3)-- [correct]
<voting>
--Final tally (6-4)-- [incorrect, should be 6-5]
^ crappy diagram of what happened. But honestly I feel at this point it's a sidetrack only serving to derail the discussion.
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Ahh, there's 2 problems lol. I didn't catch this in my first review.
Ok, so BM posts:
On July 19 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote:
Vote Count:
6] Hyperbola (Misder, Divinek, Pandain, Zeks, SiNiquity, bumatlarge)
3] YoungMinii (XeliN, Amber[LighT, Roffles)
But Infundibulum was the first to vote for youngminii. So his vote was missed. At this point it was actually 6 - 4.
This is what follows:
On July 19 2010 06:30 BrownBear wrote:
###Vote: Hyperbola
7 - 4
On July 19 2010 07:53 Jayme wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Youngminii
7 - 5
On July 19 2010 08:38 Misder wrote:
##Unvote: Hyperbola
Vote: LaXerCannon
6 - 5
On July 19 2010 08:58 zeks wrote:
##unvote hyperbola
##abstain
5 - 5
On July 19 2010 09:16 Subversion wrote:
##Vote: Hyperbola
6 - 5
BM then doesn't count Jaymee's vote in the final tally for youngminii, quoting 6 - 4.
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I think both BrownBear and Subversion are just terrible townies (God save us if they're blue). Curious where Rastaban disappeared to, and still want to know why he left his vote on citi.zen from pre-game.
##Abstain for now, but it won't be there come lynching time. So much to sift through
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On July 20 2010 08:16 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 08:12 Foolishness wrote:On July 20 2010 08:08 DarthThienAn wrote:On July 20 2010 08:05 Foolishness wrote:On July 20 2010 08:01 DarthThienAn wrote:Guys if I die tonight, then I am mafia. Death Post: + Show Spoiler + You might as well just roleclaim whatever blue role you have to the town. I mean, if the mafia don't kill you tonight they are either stupid or you are in fact mafia. If you aren't dead after night then you should be top priority for lynch. Of course, you could just actually act normal and help us out to save you a bunch of trouble. lol. Just doing my job ^^. On another note, I think Hyberbola was Godfather, so he flipped green... I mean, BM didn't officially say that he was a townie in the night post. :D:D:D I do appreciate you making it easy for all of us on who to vote for as soon as day starts. Mafia have probably sent in their hits already. Just claim now. The earlier the better. I'm a Mad Batter
Perhaps there's some method to his madness? 
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That's the only way the bombs go off 
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On July 22 2010 09:00 tree.hugger wrote:
1) Subversion voted at the last minute to lynch someone who's bandwagon was pathetic from the start, and really had nothing behind it. But the real significance of that vote, was that it saved someone else (youngminii). We didn't know about it at the time, because BM's count was off, but the mafia (assuming for a moment that youngminii is red) would clearly have a much more accurate count. They might've assumed that BM's vote count would be a cover, but at any rate they needed to make sure to save their own member.
And he had a reasonable explanation (panic'ed, got mod-killed in his first game for not voting on time, so he hurriedly voted since he didn't want to abstain). At the beginning of this day I would have been in complete agreement, but I'm leaning more and more towards it being a freak coincidence at this point. Much like I'm sure there will be some last minute vote for this lynching and whoever cast it will get dragged through the mud, justly or not.
2) Subversion's post, in which he commented on how well the mafia were doing was (a) not true, and (b) something that I don't think I've ever heard anyone innocent ever say in a game of mafia. That's something I can see a new mafia member thinking a townie would say, but that's not something a townie would actually say.
This is a really weak argument (notably in 2nd position). If one is having trouble identifying mafia members to lynch, then it follows that the mafia are playing well.
Furthermore, lynching Subversion just makes plain sense from a town perspective. A whole host of people have put their reputations on the line to save Subversion. Nobody has said anything in chaoser's defense. Nobody has said anything in DTA's defense. They've been left to defend themselves, and, apparently to some people that looks guilty.
Because Subversion appears innocent, the others not so much. Expert mafia cover? Perhaps.
What does that mean? Aside from being absurdly suspicious, if we lynch Subversion, then we gain a ton of information. If Subversion flips red, then we catch youngminii right off the bat. citi.zen has been defending Subversion nearly every post he gets, albeit a little more subtlety. Almost everyone in the game is on record saying something about Subversion, which means that if we lynch him, we get to figure out who was right, and who was wrong and proceed from there.
None of the other lynch candidates are even close to as valuable as Subversion. If we lose another day lynching people who aren't mafia, then we're going to be in trouble.
This entire paragraph runs on the assumption that Subversion is red. If he flips green, then what? All the people defending him this round are justified, and those that voted for him can claim that they were justified through reasoning such as yours and we're nowhere again.
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On July 22 2010 08:52 chaoser wrote:
8] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, chaoser, LaXerCannon, rastaban)
9] chaoser (DarthThienAn, youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, lakrismamma, citi.zen, BrownBear, Divinek)
6] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, jayme, Amber[LighT], Pandain)
3] Brownbear (Divinek, tricode, ~opz~)
1] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler)
Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum, rastaban)
not voting:
everyone voted!
double lynch:
(1/15)
iNfuNdiBuLuM
day ends in under 5 1/2 hours
think that's the vote, modified BM's to be more recent, well good bye town, take note of last minute votes on me[/QUOTE]
Just a quick note, you've got DTA in there twice.
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