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On July 19 2010 02:24 citi.zen wrote: The "OMG if you voted for hyperbola you have some explaining to do" post strikes me as the kind of thing that will sidetrack discussion for a long time. I don't like it. especially since i already explained when i voted! | ||
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On July 19 2010 08:43 Pandain wrote: Haha, know what you mean. I'm torn too. However, I'm leaning towards trying to get out by "showing a last act of goodness" to convince others he wasn't mafia all along. All I know is that if he isn't mafia I'm going to be a sad panda. dont feel too sad sometimes people have to learn to not play bad the hard way, but we shall see | ||
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On July 19 2010 09:59 SouthRawrea wrote: My take on this is we should take it easy Day 1 and just individually take note of inactives/suspicious individuals until we get our power roles in action tonight. Sure we may end up lynching one of the Reds and it does indeed help to lynch scummy players in order to lessen the number suspects in a future lynch but Random Lynching on Day 1 also allows Reds to gain a foothold in swaying the opinions of players in a future 50/50 situation (ex: Player X is active since Day 1 and seems to be pro-town but is in actuality a mafia. Both him and a Player Y, a cop, counter-claim each other with conflicting reports several days later and the town is given a 50/50 shot at lynching the right person but the other cop hasn't been speaking as much in fear of revealing the fact that he is a cop to the mafia through unintentional, implicit clues. The rest of the village trusts Player X because he seems to be more Pro-Town than Player Y.) and we risk the possibility of lynching one of our power roles early on. Just my 2 cents on why I voted to abstain from lynching. it has been beaten to death why lynching someone is better than not lynching them. Your scenario doesnt entirely make sense as to why you would abstain though. Abstain or not someone can be active and be able to influence others. The only real power role we have to 'unleash' on night one is one random dt check and it's not like he's gonna come out and claim on day 2, so what should we all not vote on day 2 as well? Someone could gain this foothold you speak of on day 2 as well. Though i dont really see how that can be affected by your abstaining...I think you not voting hurts more than anything because people arent being forced to do anything. I just dont see where you're going with this at all. But you must vote for someone so we know what you really feel. Abstaining gives almost no information when voting habits can be so crucial in finding information. | ||
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On July 20 2010 01:34 Roffles wrote: Nah OpZ, not just one shitty post by BrownBear. Nearly all his posts are shitty. Don't really wanna dig up the post, but I do recall him voting first, then saying "I'm gonna go read". Like what the hell is that? I'm gonna blindly vote, then read, then afterwards he just makes it even better by saying, "Oh, I could change my vote. But nahhhhh" yeah read the thread but didnt contribute anything and based on what his posts said he's probably worse than inactive at this point cause he actually voted i see people say that alot 'oh shit rl busy im gonna read thread and post some stuff' then they dont, they just say this to take focus off them and possible votes im for sure throwing my vote on him as soon as day comes so he can hopefully be forced to actually post something | ||
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On July 20 2010 08:04 SouthRawrea wrote: Talking at night is stupid D:. It takes away from what the game is supposed to be. the game is whatever we make it so stfu | ||
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On July 20 2010 08:45 Pandain wrote: Hmm... also add to this that I had expressed doubts about Hyperbola. It's possible they just wanted to be sure due to the fact that it was possible youngmini was going to be lynched. This, of course, assumes that They Knew Hyperbola was not mafia. They WERE mafia. They knew Youngmini was not mafia. And Finally, believed that Youngmini had a chance of being lynched. (Italicized because if any of them are true, they are ALL true) Of the two who voted for Hypterbola (Brownbear and Bumat Large), I would say brownbear is the mroe likely. BumatLarge's post:Look! I can change the text! is far more long and detailed than BB's. Finally, his post seems more pro town than mafia(of course he could be lying. Dang this game is hard.) Compare this with BB's post, which as others have noted is very suscipious and fallible. A WARNING TO ALL THOSE WHO WOULD BANDWAGON: Let us not forget the tragedy of Hyperbola. I was one of those who jumped on him for a seemingly bad post. It is as likely as Hyperbola's that BB's post was taken out of context/missing information relavant. Just as Hyperbola's post was actually joking, BB could have followed this thread the whole time and merely missed one page or so. If he felt he was in danger of being modkilled, he justifiably could have quickly voted for Hyperbola since the previous pages had led him to believe that he was the mafia. Friends, let us use calm, analyatical data, not quick rash accusations. Let us divine from the words of everyone here, factor in every piece of evidence. If your going to vote for BB, be sure, very sure. you have to remember that good mafia will be better at looking pro town than bad townies, it's alot more often that bad townies are the people that come off as scummy...but that could lead you into wifom stuff, it's just that you need to be able to discern each players actions in a way that it becomes easier to see if they're acting on more information than they should have. also since you're new you're verrrry unlikely to be the night hit, but who knows maybe you're helping too much! Might be fun to try and guess at who the night hit is gonna be but that can go horribly wrong i surpose. And hyperbolas post wasnt seemingly bad, they were terrible. As a brave Ace once said if you die early in a mafia game you're playing bad. Still havent seen brown bear round these parts yet hum hum, so yeah im pretty sure until he starts postin | ||
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On July 19 2010 02:07 Roffles wrote: OpZ just has that sort of playstyle. Comes in, makes a couple accusations, then starts some shit. At least it demonstrates he's here. Gonna unabstain now that I've read the thread. ##Unvote: Abstain ##Vote: youngminii Not voting simply lets scum get off a free shot. Don't see the real reasoning behind not voting. Shit, I'd rather RNG someone than let em off the hook for Day 1. Anyways, I'd refrain from voting for someone who hasn't posted yet. Chances are they'll be modkilled within the next couple of days anyways. Why waste a lynch on someone who's gonna die later on? so your reasoning behind your vote was that you read the thread. I see... That's so..so..inconclusive! On July 20 2010 01:34 Roffles wrote: Nah OpZ, not just one shitty post by BrownBear. Nearly all his posts are shitty. Don't really wanna dig up the post, but I do recall him voting first, then saying "I'm gonna go read". Like what the hell is that? I'm gonna blindly vote, then read, then afterwards he just makes it even better by saying, "Oh, I could change my vote. But nahhhhh" but i did like this post, or at least the direction it was heading. But it does seem more like taking a jab than really trying to do anything constructive. You havent really been helping the town much at all yet. But we shall see this coming day, i gots my eye on you you have me so torn sir, your lack of content yet but hurts my decision on anything | ||
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On July 20 2010 13:44 Subversion wrote: Hey man, congratulations, that's really exciting news  Wish you all the best On point, I was also in agreement about the weirdness of Foolishness's post, but now he's dead. Seems at the moment, mafia aren't making too many mistakes. Not sure about the block of votes for Hyperbola, seems if it was a scum-instigated thing they could have easily spread it out more? Might have just been a bunch of townies jumping on the bandwagon. Although, I would guess there's a good chance there's one or two mafia in there, who saw an opportunity to jump on a townie vote. almost certainly at least one of them was red, outside of all of the evidence that somewhat points to that, the odds are in favour. But it's beyond the point to just go 'oh well there's probably a red in there somewhere' in fact in kind of looks red to say that. Should probably find a good reason to pick someone and explain it | ||
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##vote brown bear this has already thus been thoroughly justified and i hope i need not repeat myself in this post | ||
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On July 20 2010 15:32 BrownBear wrote: 1) legitimate problem, and it's true that GFs tend to pick vet a lot. 2) I have to disagree with you on this one. I see vet as extremely useful as a confirmed townie. As an example, let me talk about a game I used to play a long time ago (back on squidi.net, if anyone still remembers that site), that was very similar to mafia. There was a role in this game called War Hero, who was basically a townie confirmed at the start who could be used as a rallying point for townies. Only problem was, he died a LOT, because mafia would stack KP on him (rightfully so, recognizing how dangerous he was). Then one host mixed it up a bit, and gave him 2 nightlives. The next game, he singlehandedly won it for town, because Mafia was suddenly not willing to blow that much KP just to kill one target, and he was able to rally enough town around him to form a town circle larger than the mafia team (which usually means mafia is screwed, unless they get really lucky). Veterans exist as meatshields. People tend to play them as "they exist in secrecy, so maybe mafia will target them instead of another blue role". Sure, that CAN work, but in a setup this open, I think it's a far better idea to have them claim. All the sudden, mafia has to stack 4 KP (more if medics protect them) to take out 2 confirmed townies, all for the price of depleting the pool of people-who-might-be-medic-or-DT by 2. With PMs allowed as well, the coordination possibilities and the sheer unkillability of 4 nightlives worth of confirmed town far outweighs the downside of not having those random beefy dudes in the pool. How often do you see a vet soak a nighthit anyway? In my experience, it happens maybe once a game, if that. that's all well and good but since we are pretty sure our first vet has lost his first life, as soon as the second vet claims the suicide bomber just fucks him right up the ass. Im positive bm said suicide bomber insta kills vet | ||
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##vote chaoser i have like alot of pages to catch up on but based on my skimming this seems the best decision at the time, but ill post some real reasons, or just quote people cause im sure they've already said it ill try not to be like bb and actually follow this up with a post lol i just dont remember if the day ends at 9 or 10kst | ||
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##unvote ##vote amber[light] i doubt this will affect the outcome of the lynch for today but id rather go on what i believe than be part of killing an innocent for no clear reason that i can see. There's valid reasons for believing all three of you are scum but none are at all sufficient bc pretty much summed up my explanation of the vote on amber for today, but it's going on him tomorrow as well | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:00 DarthThienAn wrote: If you're mafia, yea, you'd love to see me die, wouldn't you ^_^. What blue hints? The extremely obvious "I'm a Mad Hatter" / "I'm Godfather" claims? Seriously, if I was a blue, would I really be so obvious about it? On second thought... would I? There's nothing to draw from those posts - nothing except what you want to draw from them. And what you draw on them just depends on what bias you have, because it's all wifom, isn't it? There's no absolute way of knowing. lol at the reference. so is mafia just a dancing game until we have absolute information or something | ||
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