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On July 01 2010 00:44 lakrismamma wrote: Agree with most of your post except this. Since inactives are getting modkilles anyway and good players are more likely to get recruited by the mafia then bad. Lynching one of those would essentially just kill of another townie. I dont have any good sugestion to an alternative though. Maybe just kill of someone random? But now if GF read your post, he might recruit one of the 'bad' players in line with your argument. WIFOM | ||
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This is an semi-open setup. Roles will be disclosed, but role counts will not. Read this section carefully, as the roles may be different from what you are familiar with | ||
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 As for the double lynch, I don't think it's a good idea to do it so early in the game. I mean, the chances of lynching scum/GF is 1/10 even with the double lynch. I'd have thought the double lynch was designed later in the game, when let's say GF has 4 recruits and 2 of them become glaringly obvious. If the number of townies were dwindling, a double lynch would be useful, nay, crucial to the townie's victory. Otherwise (barring non-scum NKs) the number of GF recruits wouldn't drop, whereas the townies would probably reach lylo quickly. In fact, if it's lylo, even if scum is lynched, the GF will simply recruit another and the mafia would win. So double lynching is 100% necessary for late game. | ||
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--It's going to be very weird that we won't know dead people's roles, even whether or not they were mafia (right?). Coroner You have the ability to reveal the true identities of the dead once during the game. Your ability can be activated at night and used on that night’s and all previous deaths. In the following beginning-of-day post, it will be mentioned that your power (your name will not be specified) was used, and I will reveal all of the true roles / identities / alignments of the dead players. | ||
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Also, you're forgetting a huge flaw in your plan. The mafia can choose not to kill anyone. And that's that. | ||
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On July 01 2010 13:27 Korynne wrote: Dude you people don't get it! Mafia choosing not to kill anyone is good! Normal situation: We lynch X during the day, mafia kills Y during the night. This situation: We don't lynch X during the day, mafia kills Y during the night. (we don't lynch X and X can't be mafia) We don't lynch X during the day, mafia doesn't kill at night and we lynch X the next day. (Mafia doesn't get to kill Y) We don't lynch X during the day, mafia can't kill at night. (we lynch X, X is mafia) Use your brain peoples. -.- Simple logic here. You're ignoring the fact that the GF will be recruiting twice as fast, relative to the amount of deaths going on. Also, consider this scenario: N1: We vote to roleblock L. Mafia kills BM. People trust L and vote to roleblock someone else. N2: GF recruits L. It simply won't work. | ||
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You're not understanding my scenario. The mafia keeps killing and GF recruits everyone that was previously roleblocked. Once the roleblocker finally reaches scum, there will already be quite a few mafia. Also, if the roleblocker is NK'd then yeah we'd be sitting on our asses letting someone that's dead do something. Also, there must ALWAYS be a lynch. You can't no lynch. | ||
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5. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. Vote, or be modkilled. | ||
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On July 01 2010 13:46 Korynne wrote: I don't get it. If scum keeps performing NKs that means that the guy we roleblocked is not mafia. So we shouldn't have killed him that night anyway. Sure GF can recruit everyone that was previously roleblocked, but that's no better or worse than recruiting someone else. The whole idea is that they're not confirmed townies. The plan doesn't make us not lynch townies, it makes us ALWAYS LYNCH MAFIA. It's not that we have an 'extra townie'. You're simply delaying the game. You're getting a rubber band, stretching it out and claiming that it's a better rubber band than the original because it's longer. | ||
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This allows the blues not to perform their actions on that person, hence saving a possible waste of a turn. | ||
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I think plan 2+3 would be good, at least for now. Also, if we do end up following these, the mason (one) should claim if they try to get recruited. It'll be a compromise between the three plans. | ||
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On July 01 2010 15:04 Korynne wrote: They get recruited... roleblocking blocks their action, not the person who is doing the recruiting... He's saying if GF recruits the person that was voted to be roleblocked, then that defeats the whole purpose since he isn't a townie anymore. | ||
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Unless she's a really bad scum, which I doubt. | ||
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I don't like the plan at all. It's too mechanical and gives scum too much control over the game. ie. They can choose to recruit the roleblocked, they can choose to NK the roleblocked, they can choose to leave the roleblocked alone and NK someone else, they can choose to not NK anyone at all. We don't get to see the roles of the dead players remember? What are you gonna do if the roleblockers are killed early or recruited early? What are you gonna do if the coroner(s) are killed early or recruited early? I mean if the coroner is recruited and this plan is in effect, we're fucked, scum will know that the coroner is gone but town won't. There's also the possibility of having more than one DT, which will literally HALF our chances of finding the GF. I'm honestly guessing there's at least 2-3 Dream Catchers in this game and one of them will likely become a DT, so even if we have one DT to begin with, we'll hopefully have two later on. There's just way too many variables that the scum can take advantage of with Korynne's plan. That said, I want to reinforce my point that I don't believe that Korynne is scum yet. There's no way in hell she'd be this adamant about a plan that so many people disagree with/are not sure about. It's drawing way too much attention and scum would never in their wildest dreams draw this much attention. If we are going ahead with the RB plan, we might as well 'check' the top player. ##Mafia L | ||
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Also, I dislike these mechanical plans at the start of a game because I honestly do believe there are too many things scum can do with it. Later on they become much more effective, especially with lesser inactives and once a lot of recruiting has taken place already. | ||
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I don't think we're going to find someone likely to be GF or scum on D1. | ||
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Plan L Have a mason claim and jail chain him while he directs the scum hunt. Pros: Confirmed townie that everyone can trust. Analysis of the night hits is a possibility. Cons: Sacrificing a jailkeep every night which COULD have been used to block recruitment or a night hit. Plan K Have a majority decided roleblock each night while lynching inactives. Pros: Can pinpoint scum, slowly (giving DT time to do their checks). Cons: Gives mafia too much control. If a top player is roleblocked then scum can simply choose not to hit anyone so that the town will lynch the top player. Lets the GF recruit the roleblocked townie freely. If the person to be roleblocked is a mason, then the GF gets a free mason recruit (which is nearly impossible otherwise). Cannot analyse night hits if scum choose not to kill anyone. I like L's plan better. | ||
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On July 02 2010 11:33 zeks wrote:PS. I am an integral part in that plan so you don't want to lynch me first night. I hope I don't die like I did in HP mafia when I was gone a couple hours and suddenly everyone stacked on me for no reason. Serious. I'm more important this game than the other ones. If you aren't mason, that was the worst thing to happen in this game. Period. | ||
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Oh dear God. If he's jailer we're fucked. If he's mason, everything's sweet and dandy and we'll probably be forced to go with L's plan. If he's any other blue role, we can jail chain him to protect him while scrapping L's plan or go ahead with L's plan but that almost certainly means zeks will be killed/recruited. | ||
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Although I do find it a bit unfair that Korynne didn't get to defend her plan/other people didn't get to choose her plan, it looks like we're going with plan L. But who do we lynch? Are we still going to lynch an inactive or someone who seems scummy? | ||
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On July 02 2010 13:41 Korynne wrote: What if zeks says that, and then we're all like omg what if he's jail keeper? And then he goes on and says he's mason to make himself safe. If the real masons saw that, maybe the real masons both disagrees with L's plan and think that zeks could be jail keeper or some important role we don't want to kill? Just a possibility to throw out there. Meh, WIFOM. Also, we can confirm that people can PM each other by asking one of them to post an encrypted message in the thread, and then later on if we need to confirm the other guy (ex. if the first guy dies and the second guy is about to be lynched) we can have him give us the key to the message and the message will decrypt to say like, [...] is my mason partner or something like that. So if zeks dies, and then two people try to claim to be his mason partner, we can use that to verify it? No objections here. We can just use his post death post to do that. I think the idea is to keep the second mason hidden until he's at L-1. If the first mason was to die, that would mean the Jailer was killed so it would be in our best interest for Zeks not to reveal the second mason in a death post. | ||
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Hence, I vote to roleblock yellowink. I don't really care who we lynch if it's an inactive. | ||
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I didn't even think of the possibility of mafia hitting the GF, wouldn't that be awesome. I don't think there's anything left to do but lynch the most inactive (elyas) and vote for someone to roleblock. | ||
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We have to decide who gets roleblocked asap because N1 is quickly approaching. Let me post up a tally for the roleblocker. citi.zen - 2 (Korynne, BM) Korynne - 2 (rastaban, Chezinu) YellowInk - 2 (lakrismamma, youngminii) rastaban - 1 (Hesmyrr) I may have missed a vote or two but we need to break this tie. We need to clearly choose one person to roleblock and the time to vote is now. | ||
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I'm sticking with elyas because an inactive is an inactive, they serve almost no purpose to the game anymore. | ||
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Korynne - 2 (rastaban, Chezinu) YellowInk - 3 (lakrismamma, youngminii, rastaban) rastaban - 1 (Hesmyrr) | ||
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Korynne - 1 (Chezinu) YellowInk - 3 (lakrismamma, youngminii, rastaban, Abenson) rastaban - 1 (Hesmyrr) To Roleblocker: If the majority doesn't change, please roleblock YellowInk. | ||
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That plan seems great and everything but it forces us into the position of do or die on D3. The original plan would let us potentially find scum and lynch them as we go, and if we don't we'll be on the do or die situation. With your suggestion, there's almost no way of avoiding that scenario. I'd prefer to go with the original plan. | ||
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Unless I'm misunderstanding something, you're suggesting that if we go on with the plan, mafia will control day 3's lynch. The main purpose of the plan is to find people aligned with mafia. The plan is not meant to prove the innocence of anyone. So if we use the plan and we fail to find anyone aligned with mafia, then in the worst case scenario.. On day 3, there will be 11 pro-town and 5 anti-town. 9 to lynch. They wouldn't necessarily 'control' the vote as they would need 4 pro-town to vote with scum. To make things worse for scum, the traitor wouldn't know who's who and the mafia themselves don't know who the GF is. It doesn't seem that hopeless for town. | ||
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On July 03 2010 11:36 L wrote:s for the potential 'flaw' in the plan, I don't see why you assume we're sitting on the same group of 3 for 3 days? As stated above, we aren't proving innocence with our roleblocks, so unless mafia miss a hit, there's really no reason to not draw up a new 3 man list each day. That doesn't change the fact that we'll be forced into that do or die position in D3 as you stated. Even if we draw up a new 3 man list it won't change anything. We won't be able to lynch any of the 3 unless the RB steps up, which will be on D3 if we use your plan. | ||
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On July 03 2010 11:36 L wrote: They don't necessarily 'control' the vote until they hit their win condition of outnumbering the plan. They do, however, have the option of faking being RB'd to push the town into a very easy lynch on someone who isn't mafia on day 3, which is the same as controlling the lynch. Oh and yeah I must've misunderstood this part. This was one of my arguments against Korynne earlier when she was suggesting the plan. | ||
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May the gracious God look past your inactive sins and welcome you into his kingdom. | ||
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Since we're nearing D2 and we're not concrete on any plan yet, I think we should default to Korynne's original plan for N1 'cause that was discussed the most. The last thing we need is the roleblocker to not read half of this stuff and be confused as to which plan to follow. So it'll be good if you roleblock YellowInk. If everyone wants to follow L's modified plan I don't think we should do it N1, because it'll cause too much confusion as we're nearing the deadline. And confusion is the greatest tool of scum. | ||
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Besides there's only 30 minutes of night left. We should discuss any new changes to the plan for N2. | ||
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On July 04 2010 12:36 Bill Murray wrote: it's day? any detectives find the godfather? if someone rolechecked a townie what is their best option? they cannot pm them, so i'm assuming there is nothing for them to do but look for the godfather on the next night. i am pretty sure that we will have a few detectives. it would suck if the kid who just got modkilled was one of them. DT can't check first night. Also, this post DOES seem a bit scummy. I don't really have any reasoning behind it so I'm just going to ignore this scummy vibe I'm getting. So... What now? | ||
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On July 04 2010 13:36 Divinek wrote: + Show Spoiler + you know the more i think about it the more it seems like L's plan benefits red more than town. Because if our claimed mason is lying we don't know it, only the mob would know. Just seems giving the mob 100% real info while town is only getting info as far as we can reasonably trust doesnt seem as good for us. So we go on his word that he's a confirmed townie when he could easily be red and why would anyone ever question it, because as soon as a real mason steps out to say something about it they're either going to die, or they're just going to actually give the gf a person not to waste a recruit attempt on. And even if we figure all this out and lynch the fake claimed mason that's just 1 of infinitely many mafia down while a real mason is actually outed and we wouldnt know it to protect for sure until it was too late. Cause none of this stuff can be confirmed without a DT check or coroner after death and why waste a check on a claimed mason as a GF would never be dumb enough to do something like that. At least i see it as nearly beneficial for both of the masons to stay silent and keep the GF's odds lower on success while maybe pushing for the lynch of the fake claimer? That's if it's actually fake, while thus far it could be reasonable to assume it's real. Or maybe that doesnt quite play out like i think it does but hurrah for generating discussion And if our mason really is a mason why waste any actions on him, since red thinks we're going to protect him they wouldnt waste time trying to take him out since they figure he's going to be safe anyways. Though i guess there's not much else to use a jailkeeper for unless you're going to be randomly trying to stop recruitment and that has a pretty slim chance of working sooo yeah. Not that im at this point claiming L to be scummy for the plan, but maybe he could go into more depth how it'd be more useful for town than mob. This is the most wifomy post I've seen in this entire game. Please, for the love of God, please stop saying that Zeks is a fake mason. | ||
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So unless anyone objects (as I see no reason to): Zeks can you post some sort of encrypted message that requires a key? | ||
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Hence, WIFOM is a horrible argument and any argument containing too much WIFOM should be scrapped. ie. start posting some real content please, divinek. | ||
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FoS Divinek | ||
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2 confirmed townies is a big deal later when there's maybe 13 people left and 5 of them are scum. | ||
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I am now calling on everyone to vote on Divinek for the highly likely possibility of having been recruited N1. | ||
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On July 04 2010 15:07 Divinek wrote: if you thought my town play is bad this game you should look at last game i played town That's a horrible defense. | ||
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There's nothing WIFOMy about a mason claiming. You're making it out to be more than it is. | ||
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So anyway, I'm serious about my Divinek vote. I'll requote it again for you guuuuuuuuuys. Also notice that Divinek is posting a lot less since my accusation. Could be real life stuff but who knows. | ||
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On July 04 2010 13:59 Divinek wrote: im not saying he is fake im saying based on the chance he could be fake giving the mob guaranteed info is better for them than giving us uncertain info. yes if he confirms it we're better off, but most of this god damn game is wifom bullshit i hate that abbreviation On July 04 2010 14:06 youngminii wrote: The idea of WIFOM is that it's a shitty way to play mafia and will confuse the fuck out of everyone, which is one of the primary goals of the mafia. Hence, WIFOM is a horrible argument and any argument containing too much WIFOM should be scrapped. ie. start posting some real content please, divinek. On July 04 2010 14:10 youngminii wrote: You know what? I don't think you're bad enough of a townie to drown yourself in pointless WIFOM. Could be scum trying to look innocent. FoS Divinek On July 04 2010 14:15 Divinek wrote: it doesn't really seem pointless im just asking what the big point of having someone claim mason for us that is so beneficial to the town On July 04 2010 14:18 youngminii wrote: Already been pointed out. A trusted townie that can lead our search. Can also backup the other mason, hence we have two trusted townies. 2 confirmed townies is a big deal later when there's maybe 13 people left and 5 of them are scum. On July 04 2010 14:34 Divinek wrote: yeah two confirmed townies sure would be nice, even one would be great On July 04 2010 14:48 youngminii wrote: ^ That post was way, way too scummy. I may have only started noticing since start of D2, but your posts are complete scumtells. You make a huge post that's retardedly WIFOMy, something a normal townie would never do because it's just so stupid. Then you agree with me that the WIFOM is just bullshit. You question what the point of L's plan is and after I give you a brief explanation, you simply agree with it and go along without any hesitation or arguments. I am now calling on everyone to vote on Divinek for the highly likely possibility of having been recruited N1. On July 04 2010 15:14 Divinek wrote: i think citizen kind of understood what i was getting at god damn i hate spamming a bunch of posts together because ideas dont come to me all at the same time of one post can you explain in detail what my scumtells are? cause im obviously so bad i dont know that the way im posting is scum tells rofl i understand that people take the noobie level of reading some wifom question as a scum tell in a game that revolves around a wifom concept. The only thing that can be confirmed are the roles of the dead, and maybe some reasonable connections can be made if a dt fingers a gf and we find the dead to indeed be the gf or something you do realize that On July 04 2010 15:14 youngminii wrote: I wasn't talking about your sarcastic comment. Also, you're in panic mode atm and you're dropping scumtells all over the place. That's a horrible defense. On July 04 2010 15:16 youngminii wrote: @%I()M@%MU%($)Ty There's nothing WIFOMy about a mason claiming. You're making it out to be more than it is. | ||
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On July 05 2010 07:40 Divinek wrote: why would he post the key so we could decrypt his name or am i reading that wrong So that if he dies, the other mason can step up and prove his masonhood by providing the key. Seriously, where have you been? | ||
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On July 05 2010 08:12 Bill Murray wrote: this WOULD have been ok YESTERDAY. Now that there are 2 mafia? Fuck that. Do you still think Zeks is scum? Zeks is mason. There's like a 99% chance he is. There's absolutely no way the masons wouldn't have counterclaimed if Zeks wasn't mason. This has been argued a thousand times already. Now assuming Zeks is mason, which is 100% reasonable, the second mason can freely claim without fear of persecution because he has the ONE ONE KEY TO RULE THEM ALL. | ||
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1. It has already been reasonably assumed that there are 2 masons by extrapolating the words of Darth. 2. What's wrong with using a key and a website? That's probably the most efficient way on encryption/decryption. 3. Why are you even blaming Chez? Is there some sort of meta I don't know about? 4. With all the confusion (some of which that was made by you, BM), I'm not surprised that Zeks posted the key on D2. Do you realise how hard it was for us to even decide who to roleblock? 5. Even an incompetent retard would know well enough to counter-claim. 6. The chances of having 2 inactive masons is astronomically low. 7. YellowInk, you and Divinek are running around in circles drowned in WIFOM and causing confusion. There is no need to cause so much confusion. Accept the fact that Zeks is mason and move on. Your posts and YellowInk's posts seem genuinely townie and confused. Divinek's posts seem scummy and they don't seem confused, they seem to be aimed at creating confusion. Hence, vote Divinek  | ||
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Do you guys realise how small that chance is? Stop acting as if Zeks isn't a mason, you're about to jeopardise L's plan. | ||
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I was actually thinking of writing a small program to try brute force to decrypt it, using numbers and words from the dictionary. Either way, Chez's post seems very suspicious. | ||
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We should stop dawdling around and actually start scumhunting. My scumdar was set off by Divinek and just because he says "lol im gonna laugh at u so hard when u find out im townie" does not mean he is a townie. In fact, that is one of the worst defenses you came come up with whether you are townie or scum. | ||
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I think Zeks was the one who mentioned "I posted a code and so my mason partner can claim when I'm dead by giving out the key which you can use at a website to decrypt" or something. Was probably a lot less confusing than that. Also, if the mason is being jailchained, I don't see any reason not to counter claim, seeing as they'll be protected. Even if they do have a blue role, they can claim and everything will be dandy. The whole roleblock thing I was talking about was the plan we decided to put into motion - Korynne's plan. And yesh, it's true I haven't played on TL but it's been like 3 days since Zeks claimed. I'm pretty sure a mason's been on since then. Hang on for the referencing part. | ||
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Which means I'm guilty of it too. Cool. But yeah since we have no one better to lynch (barring inactive policy lynching), gogo Divinek. | ||
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If any mafia member is roleblocked, all mafia lose their killing power that night. | ||
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On July 05 2010 15:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: From what I skimmed of her plan, It was far too full of holes to be properly instituted as people don't flip on death. I completely agree and I argued the same things originally. However I was under the safe assumption that we had already decided to act upon the plan. | ||
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I don't understand why in your scenario the same person is being roleblocked and jailed. More than once too. Don't think it'll make a difference in that the plan is flawed. Well I didn't want to use the plan for multiple nights anyway, and did Korynne say why she wasn't going to be on? I don't remember seeing any "replace me, gotta go for a few days" posts by her. | ||
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Hopefully. | ||
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On July 05 2010 15:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Oh? I must have missed the common consensus of that agreement + I am seeing at least one person vehemently opposed to it. I will try to think of a better and more optimal plan if we must have one, but her idea is rocky at best in this setup. Combine in that if a roleblocker is recruited they become a mafia roleblocker, it is a rough role to rely on. I think L proposed a plan where we come up with a list of 3 people to roleblock everyday and then the roleblocker takes it into their own hands each night. | ||
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But anyway, the plan never revolved around jailing the person being roleblocked. If they were recruited, so be it (This was one of the major flaws in the plan btw). | ||
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Roleclaiming would only give scum complete and utter control of the game. They would know who's who and just pick off the most dangerous. It's uncalled for. Roleclaim in a dire situation such as lylo, not now. | ||
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On July 05 2010 18:52 Bill Murray wrote: @youngminii: address this, and give me a way we can create a situation in which we have a 50% chance to lynch the godfather without a method such as this, please, then we'll talk. Well I certainly wouldn't mind if everyone agrees. I'm just of the opinion that role claiming is more effective in lesser numbers. | ||
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Also, if we are doing this roleclaim thing, what do you say we activate Coroner's (if we have one) ability tonight? | ||
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On July 06 2010 09:12 Divinek wrote: why dont you claim first bro rofl jk since there's no other way im going to be able to use my ability im coroner and abenson is my townie lover, so i dont know if that'll be enough to save us so i can atleast pop my check this night but at this point i dont think me and him have any other option if we want to stay alive i repeat im coroner and abenson is my lover so we both need to stay alive so i can pop tonight i figured i really didnt want to claim but you guys want to really kill either me or him and i dont want another coroner wasted so there you have it as for my guess for GF? im saying bumatlarge cause he hasnt posted much at all lately Sick. | ||
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On July 06 2010 10:26 Chezinu wrote: Why in the name of the Godfather wouldn't you change your vote? Mostly 'cause I don't have anyone to vote for. | ||
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So this means there were at least 2 Coroners right? Cool. | ||
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If you're DT, can you check YI or Chez? Just to get their scummy as hell posts out of the way. | ||
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Worst case scenario: Abenson is blue and gets roleblocked. This means Divinek lied hence we must lynch him. Middle case scenario: Abension is townie and nothing happens. Best case scenario: Abenson is scum and we can just keep roleblocking him every night. | ||
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OH SNAP. | ||
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Also, roleblockers please point out who you roleblocked each night. | ||
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On July 07 2010 11:14 YellowInk wrote: Now I'm suspicious. If you really are DT and you really found the godfather, you know mass roleclaiming is bad. The godfather will shortly be dead. We have this in the bag without the stupid roleclaiming. What is up with this? Easiest way is for everyone to roleclaim. Anyone that's suspicious I can simply investigate. There are only 2 scum in the game after citi.zen is lynched. Assuming there's another DT which is likely, this is the fastest way to end the game. | ||
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I understand that if I'm scum, doing this is virtually sealing the townie's defeat. I'll go along with whatever plan is decided upon by the majority. | ||
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I don't understand, is he setting up his meta for future games? So that if he acts scummy in every game, in games where he IS scum he can do whatever the hell he wants but people won't think he's scum because of meta? That's terrible. | ||
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On July 07 2010 11:43 citi.zen wrote: Not surprised at all. I told you fake claiming becomes a dominant strategy. The worst that can happen is you lose a goon, but the GF lives. Aka town lost tomorrow. I sort of don't get why me, but that's OK too. Was it that I ruined the lynching of the lovers? Was I too quiet this game? W/e, gg town - you can't win now. BTW - bm really is town, checked tonight. I checked L the other night. Confirmed. DT can only check from Night 2 onwards. No reason to doubt me now. | ||
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We are fairly sure that I'm Detective and that citi.zen is GF. There is reasonable evidence that it is so. There is also the scumminess of BM's posts (why would he defend citi.zen after his blatant error?). He also tells DT to claim when I've already claimed. So, here's what I think. Jailer should jail me. I'll check BM. Roleblocker should block YI or some other person that people think is scum. That way, we can check BM and YI at once. I for one don't think YI is scum. I think BM might be scum. I think there's enough evidence to prove that I am really a DT and that citi.zen is a liar. I don't want to be roleblocked simply because that is wasting a DT check. | ||
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I'd much rather check BM before anything happens bad happens. Also yeah, Ace prolly roleblocked DCL last night. But scum KP wasn't blocked so DCL is highly likely not red. Anyway I'm going out now, will catch up when I get back on. | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:50 YellowInk wrote: Nah, the mafia will have to give up at least 2 KP to get you lynched. We're probably not going to lynch you tomorrow if there's no KP. We'll block you for at least one more day. If you're a real DT and they give up KP twice, well, I think a DT is worth blocking two KP and lynching a godfather. I don't think scum has 2 KP. I mean, there was only one NK last night. Could be because they targeted someone that was jailed or one of em got RB'd but I still think there's a strong possibility that they only have 1 KP. | ||
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I will be checking BM the first night. Do not jail him. Of course, that leads to the (highly likely) possibility of scum killing BM, especially if he is jailer. I'm willing to take that risk though since YI's plan seems pretty solid. | ||
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Bill Murray is secretly a pair of twins that both log on to the same account. Explains everything. | ||
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On July 09 2010 17:21 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Actually, scratch that, don't jail youngminii because then won't be able to use his check. Either protect someone random or zeks, I'd say. Mafia will want to eliminate zeks at some point, since if he is kept around he's going to be very valuable to us for the remainder of the game since he'll always be a confirmed townie. I can check if I'm jailed. I can't check if I'm roleblocked. Jail | ||
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Jail =/= Roleblock | ||
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I was not roleblocked. Also: BM is not mafia. I ain't saying what he is though Could be a townie for all you know. | ||
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Chezinu BrownBear YellowInk zeks - Mason BloodyC0bbler Bill Murray - Green/Blue DCLXVI Hesmyrr youngminii - DT AcrossFiveJulys rastaban There's also Zek's mason partner. That leaves 7 people to choose scum from. My eye is on YI and BloodyC0bbler. | ||
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On July 10 2010 16:33 Bill Murray wrote: in terms of shear math, youngminii and yellowink HAVE to be mafia, or darth has the setup wrong, unless someone wants to claim they have some hidden kill power we don't know about Divinek and Abenson were lovers, which is why they died. | ||
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*both died. | ||
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On July 10 2010 17:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Truth be told I haven't been needed heavily the last day or so as youngmirii has done fairly well to lead the town. You spelled my name wrong While I'm not ruling out BC as a townie, I'm not convinced he's scum and I think there are other people that we should concentrate on, namely BM's four. The best play on scum's end would be to get rid of the DT (ie. me). Scum knows that I'm DT but they also know they can't touch me because of the jailing. The only way they can get rid of me for now is to sacrifice their KP for two nights. Hence my suspicions lead me to YI. He's the one who suggested/pushed forward the idea to roleblock me. As scum, he knows I am a DT and the best way to neutralize my ability is to roleblock me, knowing that he can't touch me otherwise. Sacrificing KP is a major blow to scum so instead of that, blocking me is the best option. Now I would have liked to see what his reaction would have been after finding out I was roleblocked (maybe I should've faked it) but since that's too late, there's no other place for me to lay my accusations. So if we end up lynching someone other than YI (like BB) then my check will go to YI tonight. | ||
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On July 10 2010 18:09 youngminii wrote: You spelled my name wrong While I'm not ruling out BC as a townie, I'm not convinced he's scum and I think there are other people that we should concentrate on, namely BM's four. The best play on scum's end would be to get rid of the DT (ie. me). Scum knows that I'm DT but they also know they can't touch me because of the jailing. The only way they can get rid of me for now is to sacrifice their KP for two nights. Hence my suspicions lead me to YI. He's the one who suggested/pushed forward the idea to roleblock me. As scum, he knows I am a DT and the best way to neutralize my ability is to roleblock me, knowing that he can't touch me otherwise. Sacrificing KP is a major blow to scum so instead of that, blocking me is the best option. Now I would have liked to see what his reaction would have been after finding out I was roleblocked (maybe I should've faked it) but since that's too late, there's no other place for me to lay my accusations. So if we end up lynching someone other than YI (like BB) then my check will go to YI tonight. | ||
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On July 12 2010 09:08 YellowInk wrote: Well since it's apparent that people are set on my lynch, I'll give my final thoughts before I hang. I have no death post - I am townie, I have no secret info. Preaching to the choir. Just pointing out that everything that BM has been doing has been pro-mafia, but since we're in a state that we have to assume he's town due to lack of tools provided to us, the situation is retarded. Suprising that you should choose to vote for me on this when I've been saying - and even clearly set out the above situation for the town - precisely what you're posing here. You don't vote for all the other people who say, "What if GF?? You just choose to jump on me when I'm pointing out the actual endgame situation. Here's a good target for you, youngminii. Assuming my words are even worth anything to you. It would probably help everyone if we knew who you were talking to or what you were talking about. You do this frequently. Fix it. You are more confirmed than Hesmyrr, but less so than Bill Murray/youngminii. There is the chance that there are no masons. You and your goon buddy could be hiding under cover of being masons and the game has no masons. I find this unlikely, but it is a possibility. Considering we were only given one roleblocker, I'm willing to accept pretty much anything in this setup now. I already outlined why you could have opened the game with your strategy as a goon. However, by day 4, if there are any masons, you are it. Posts like this make me wonder why I post. Half the town apparently doesn't read the thread anyway. I'm tired of preaching 'stop being inactive' game after game. Good luck, town! Okay first of all, you have to chill out, you can argue without being insulting. Second, I gave my explanations many times. I have my suspicions set on you and BC but I can't seem to find any evidence against BC. I've already reposted my explanation regarding my suspicion against you but you don't seem to pay any attention to it. Also, who's a good target for me? Because if you're lynched, then I am definitely checking BC. I repeat in big bold letters: I am checking BC tonight. Do not jail him. | ||
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On July 13 2010 14:24 DCLXVI wrote: So like... Thanks for telling us you are mafia That doesn't even make sense. If I was scum, I'd just report BC of the opposite of whoever he is and then win the game. | ||
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On July 14 2010 00:55 YellowInk wrote: Mafia got incredibly unlucky here. If the GF can stay under the radar till day 5 or so, it's practically unwinnable for town with the number of blues we had. This is why I was convinced we had at least two roleblockers - how can you honestly expect the GF to be found by the midgame? You need some way to draw the game out and have a reasonable chance for a town win without finding the GF in the early game. This kind of setup is just really swingy. Since mafia hadn't conceded and BM being ridiculous, when I was lynched I was convinced youngminii was mafia. I figured we were looking at a mafia victory. With all the lying that was going on in the town, I don't see how we could have won without the streak of luck even if it were a level game. Since most of you wouldn't tell me in thread, I'm curious what convinced you guys I was mafia? My list of suspects were: BM YI BC I checked BM and then I voted for you since you were next on the list. It's not that your posts were overly scummy and it was hugely obvious that you were mafia (and you weren't) but it was more that no one else seemed scummy and your posts did have a little bit of scumminess in them. I did say that my vote wasn't completely serious and I'd be fine if you weren't lynched, as I'd just check you that night anyway. But other people ended up voting you as well, 'cause I guess at that point it became a game of follow the cop or something, I'm not sure. | ||
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