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On July 05 2010 15:46 youngminii wrote:
Okay I almost failed my first year maths course so I'm just going to trust what you say.
I don't understand why in your scenario the same person is being roleblocked and jailed. More than once too. Don't think it'll make a difference in that the plan is flawed.
Well I didn't want to use the plan for multiple nights anyway, and did Korynne say why she wasn't going to be on? I don't remember seeing any "replace me, gotta go for a few days" posts by her.
if you don't roleblock and jail them, they can be recruited, and it makes the whole argument invalid. you'd then have a "confirmed" recruited person which is risky business, tom cruise.
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On July 05 2010 15:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2010 15:41 youngminii wrote:On July 05 2010 15:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 05 2010 15:22 youngminii wrote:
Aww I feel honored. I also, feel huge townie vibes coming from the above post.
I think Zeks was the one who mentioned "I posted a code and so my mason partner can claim when I'm dead by giving out the key which you can use at a website to decrypt" or something. Was probably a lot less confusing than that.
Also, if the mason is being jailchained, I don't see any reason not to counter claim, seeing as they'll be protected. Even if they do have a blue role, they can claim and everything will be dandy.
The whole roleblock thing I was talking about was the plan we decided to put into motion - Korynne's plan.
And yesh, it's true I haven't played on TL but it's been like 3 days since Zeks claimed. I'm pretty sure a mason's been on since then.
Hang on for the referencing part. From what I skimmed of her plan, It was far too full of holes to be properly instituted as people don't flip on death. I completely agree and I argued the same things originally. However I was under the safe assumption that we had already decided to act upon the plan. Oh? I must have missed the common consensus of that agreement + I am seeing at least one person vehemently opposed to it. I will try to think of a better and more optimal plan if we must have one, but her idea is rocky at best in this setup. Combine in that if a roleblocker is recruited they become a mafia roleblocker, it is a rough role to rely on.
Our best plan is a jailed detective doing safechecks, or people double jailing each other and preventing mafia kp on each other imo
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On July 05 2010 15:51 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2010 15:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 05 2010 15:41 youngminii wrote:On July 05 2010 15:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 05 2010 15:22 youngminii wrote:
Aww I feel honored. I also, feel huge townie vibes coming from the above post.
I think Zeks was the one who mentioned "I posted a code and so my mason partner can claim when I'm dead by giving out the key which you can use at a website to decrypt" or something. Was probably a lot less confusing than that.
Also, if the mason is being jailchained, I don't see any reason not to counter claim, seeing as they'll be protected. Even if they do have a blue role, they can claim and everything will be dandy.
The whole roleblock thing I was talking about was the plan we decided to put into motion - Korynne's plan.
And yesh, it's true I haven't played on TL but it's been like 3 days since Zeks claimed. I'm pretty sure a mason's been on since then.
Hang on for the referencing part. From what I skimmed of her plan, It was far too full of holes to be properly instituted as people don't flip on death. I completely agree and I argued the same things originally. However I was under the safe assumption that we had already decided to act upon the plan. Oh? I must have missed the common consensus of that agreement + I am seeing at least one person vehemently opposed to it. I will try to think of a better and more optimal plan if we must have one, but her idea is rocky at best in this setup. Combine in that if a roleblocker is recruited they become a mafia roleblocker, it is a rough role to rely on. Our best plan is a jailed detective doing safechecks, or people double jailing each other and preventing mafia kp on each other imo
Issue with that is you can't 100% prove they are a dt unless a coroner uses their ability. As no other DT can confirm the jailed one for legit. As it looks like we may have lost a coroner already (we most likely only had 2 at most, most likely 1) we may not be able to rely on that plan either. I would say if we could get a confirmed DT in jailed that would be perfect, but its hard to do.
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I'm suggesting us roleclaiming so we can coordinate
I do not see any other way for us to win.
If we roleclaim, the godfather has to either claim a blue role or a townie
he will likely claim veteran or townie, in fact. hatter would be his safest claim in most setups in my opinion, but not in this one. in this one, hatter kinda wants to blow up quicker if he wants the town to win, so his "safest" claim is veteran.
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I honestly wouldn't mind using the idea of chain jailing a DT but as BC said, there's absolutely no way of telling if the DT is real or not. I mean, I suppose to DT would claim DT in their death post if they did die.
But anyway, the plan never revolved around jailing the person being roleblocked. If they were recruited, so be it (This was one of the major flaws in the plan btw).
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especially with the 2 night lives. i doubt we have multiple veterans, either. you know as soon as the godfather loses a life he's going to be like "oh, hey, guys, i got hit. i'm the veteran. rofl."
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On July 05 2010 16:06 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm suggesting us roleclaiming so we can coordinate
I do not see any other way for us to win.
If we roleclaim, the godfather has to either claim a blue role or a townie
he will likely claim veteran or townie, in fact. hatter would be his safest claim in most setups in my opinion, but not in this one. in this one, hatter kinda wants to blow up quicker if he wants the town to win, so his "safest" claim is veteran.
IT could work except that you have to prove the DT before it works. You could theoretically have 4 people claim dt, and would basically have to choose who to believe to jail.
A mass roleclaim can potentially lure people out, or put them in a hot spot to be caught, but without a coroner we are still screwed. (or we get really lucky lynch and notice mafia KP isn't rising).
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Claiming is bad. Scum will definitely target DTs and Coroners. Let's leave claiming until later in the game when we're at lylo or some other dire situation. Should also let the DT check people for a few nights before claiming.
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We are going to claim. This is gonna be cool. Claiming would help us coordinate the blues, would pressure the Godfather, and would just simply be more fun.
We can't have a safehouse for our DT? Who says? With claims we can! If L is a jailkeeper and BC is a DT we can have BC staying on L's couch checkin up on the internet to see if YellowInk is money laundering. We could have a "veteran" claimer roleblocked if we have more than one vet claim! IMAGINE the POSSIBILITIES. Hatter putting bombs on "townies"? np. Veterans claiming Jailkeeper? NP NP. Dreamcatchers claiming when they get a role such as jailkeeper and detective? amazing. P.S. if you're the coroner say you're the traitor and laugh while linking to an article about Christopher Walken dancing on Broadway
Claiming definitely pressures the Godfather through making him claim something he isn't. It would make him lie to exist, or lurk. Either one of them could potentially be dissected as scummy play. By pressuring him, we can kill him, and by killing him, we can eliminate that stupid ass recruitment factor. You have to cut the head off of the snake for it to quit growing in this sense. Roleclaiming in a limited factor, with certain roles still hiding (coroner, for instance), would possibly benefit the town through finding the godfather via a dt being kept alive or through having him make a mistake via the pressure.
Roleclaiming will be more like actually fighting a war, using maelstrom and storm, as opposed to playing Russian Roulette. This is a GAME. It is meant to be FUN. Let's have fun and roleclaim together :p
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Ok here is the jist of a general thought I have going.
(this will hopefully defuse the use of a coroner for the most part.)
All town aligned members claim their role on death in the way that lakris did. (note that GF, traitor and any mafia dead will lie)
Now DT's this is important for you to note. Everytime someone claims, you mark it in your list.
As it stands now, we can most likely agree that unless we got lucky last night we are sitting on 1 GF, 2 Mafia, 1 traitor. This is 4 anti town of our remaining 17, giving town aligned of 13.
You know your own role. You also know the role of 1 other person to a 99%ish ratio. That means out of 17 players remaining, you now have a list of 15 to check, 14 after todays lynch. After every check you make a mark on your list of whos blue/green and red.
Keep this in mind as people die and Claim a role, add it into your spreadsheet under a seperate column. If we have a coroner and you get lucky, a fair bit of your list will be filled accurately, then you can a) reveal what information you have which the town can then act on
b) more accurately pin down red/gf
I will now try to figure out some way to confirm a DT + keep them jail locked. I would hope that one mason is also somehow a DT as that would make life simpler.
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On July 05 2010 16:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2010 16:06 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm suggesting us roleclaiming so we can coordinate
I do not see any other way for us to win.
If we roleclaim, the godfather has to either claim a blue role or a townie
he will likely claim veteran or townie, in fact. hatter would be his safest claim in most setups in my opinion, but not in this one. in this one, hatter kinda wants to blow up quicker if he wants the town to win, so his "safest" claim is veteran.
IT could work except that you have to prove the DT before it works. You could theoretically have 4 people claim dt, and would basically have to choose who to believe to jail. A mass roleclaim can potentially lure people out, or put them in a hot spot to be caught, but without a coroner we are still screwed. (or we get really lucky lynch and notice mafia KP isn't rising).
we might have 4 dts though
lets hope none are paranoid or naive or whatever sucks
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On July 05 2010 16:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Ok here is the jist of a general thought I have going.
(this will hopefully defuse the use of a coroner for the most part.)
All town aligned members claim their role on death in the way that lakris did. (note that GF, traitor and any mafia dead will lie)
Now DT's this is important for you to note. Everytime someone claims, you mark it in your list.
As it stands now, we can most likely agree that unless we got lucky last night we are sitting on 1 GF, 2 Mafia, 1 traitor. This is 4 anti town of our remaining 17, giving town aligned of 13.
You know your own role. You also know the role of 1 other person to a 99%ish ratio. That means out of 17 players remaining, you now have a list of 15 to check, 14 after todays lynch. After every check you make a mark on your list of whos blue/green and red.
Keep this in mind as people die and Claim a role, add it into your spreadsheet under a seperate column. If we have a coroner and you get lucky, a fair bit of your list will be filled accurately, then you can a) reveal what information you have which the town can then act on
b) more accurately pin down red/gf
I will now try to figure out some way to confirm a DT + keep them jail locked. I would hope that one mason is also somehow a DT as that would make life simpler.
we have 17? i thought we had 16. One dude got MKed.
I also don't think they could check night 1.
other than that this is good advice and practice. thanks for the advice on using DT BC.
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On July 05 2010 16:19 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2010 16:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 05 2010 16:06 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm suggesting us roleclaiming so we can coordinate
I do not see any other way for us to win.
If we roleclaim, the godfather has to either claim a blue role or a townie
he will likely claim veteran or townie, in fact. hatter would be his safest claim in most setups in my opinion, but not in this one. in this one, hatter kinda wants to blow up quicker if he wants the town to win, so his "safest" claim is veteran.
IT could work except that you have to prove the DT before it works. You could theoretically have 4 people claim dt, and would basically have to choose who to believe to jail. A mass roleclaim can potentially lure people out, or put them in a hot spot to be caught, but without a coroner we are still screwed. (or we get really lucky lynch and notice mafia KP isn't rising). we might have 4 dts though lets hope none are paranoid or naive or whatever sucks
He doesn't state that possibility and I don't think DTA is using hidden roles. I would assume all DT's at this point are legit, as any non sane dts would completely make this game mafia favoured.
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"Detective
You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night, starting on Night 2, "
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On July 05 2010 16:21 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2010 16:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Ok here is the jist of a general thought I have going.
(this will hopefully defuse the use of a coroner for the most part.)
All town aligned members claim their role on death in the way that lakris did. (note that GF, traitor and any mafia dead will lie)
Now DT's this is important for you to note. Everytime someone claims, you mark it in your list.
As it stands now, we can most likely agree that unless we got lucky last night we are sitting on 1 GF, 2 Mafia, 1 traitor. This is 4 anti town of our remaining 17, giving town aligned of 13.
You know your own role. You also know the role of 1 other person to a 99%ish ratio. That means out of 17 players remaining, you now have a list of 15 to check, 14 after todays lynch. After every check you make a mark on your list of whos blue/green and red.
Keep this in mind as people die and Claim a role, add it into your spreadsheet under a seperate column. If we have a coroner and you get lucky, a fair bit of your list will be filled accurately, then you can a) reveal what information you have which the town can then act on
b) more accurately pin down red/gf
I will now try to figure out some way to confirm a DT + keep them jail locked. I would hope that one mason is also somehow a DT as that would make life simpler. we have 17? i thought we had 16. One dude got MKed. I also don't think they could check night 1. other than that this is good advice and practice. thanks for the advice on using DT BC.
That is roughly my style of playing a DT and is how L, incog and I used my role in that one flamewheel game. A dt can easily sit back building information. There are obvious gaps in it, but DT's to me this game seem more as information gatherers than anything else. At the moment for deaths though is one lynch, a mafia hit, and a MK, after todays lynch we will have 4 dead.
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and I'm counting 16 players
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sorry to argue pedantics. I am sort of anal retentive.
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On July 05 2010 16:22 Bill Murray wrote:
"Detective
You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night, starting on Night 2, "
He makes no reference anywhere to sanity however 
I will be heading to bed soon, but I would strongly suggest people as they wake up to go look at the posts of people who have been semi lurking. With the 4th of july done and canada day done, we should be ignoring all excuses like "sorry social life called" as well, when you commit to a mafia game, you should be able to find some time in a day to play.
I am keeping my vote on DCLXVI for now as out of every player in this game so far, he has rarely posted (at least to my memory) and seems to be rather under the radar.
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On July 05 2010 16:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2010 16:22 Bill Murray wrote:
"Detective
You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night, starting on Night 2, " He makes no reference anywhere to sanity however I will be heading to bed soon, but I would strongly suggest people as they wake up to go look at the posts of people who have been semi lurking. With the 4th of july done and canada day done, we should be ignoring all excuses like "sorry social life called" as well, when you commit to a mafia game, you should be able to find some time in a day to play. I am keeping my vote on DCLXVI for now as out of every player in this game so far, he has rarely posted (at least to my memory) and seems to be rather under the radar.
I endorse that sentiment. I feel as if he hasn't been doing anything at all. I hope he's our jailkeeper, if we have one, or our coroner, if we have a second one, and lakrismamma wasn't lying.
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On July 05 2010 16:23 Bill Murray wrote:
and I'm counting 16 players
I counted 17, ignore the line stroked names of korynne and thegilaboy as ace and I replaced them. Instead concentrate on the bolded stroked out names, which there are 3, 20 - 3 = 17.
After todays lynch we have 16 :p
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