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citi.zen
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
People who need to vote: YellowInk zeks Divinek L DCLXVI Abenson rastaban Ace BloodyC0bbler | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On July 05 2010 08:28 Bill Murray wrote: No, I'm not under the influence. No, I'm not hung over. The above sums up my stance fairly well except for the fingering Chezinu part.i also believe that there ARE masons, and that zeks IS a mason, I'm just prepared for the POSSIBILITY of Chezinu influencing this guy as mafia. I'd give zeks 80% odds on being mason. This isn't something I'd trust my life with. I don't feel that this was worth zeks coming out and claiming assuming he is mason. I don't agree that this mason coming out plan is strong. I don't believe the jailkeeper should necessarily cover zeks (though if you covered night 1, you should probably keep covering him). I wish I was traitor this game. Unfortunately I'm stuck trying to figure out how to convince everyone how to play their best. More to come about who to hang after I do some more analysis. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
I havn't been able to find anything that indicates someone was turned. Yet. So in the absence of something directly indicating red, my vote is going for Abenson. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
To lynch on policy or to actually lynch someone who is scum... There is a difference in being scummy and scum. Abenson has actually been improving as a player, other than a misdeed here or a misdeed there. He reminds me of myself when I was his age + Show Spoiler + *LOL* I'm waiting to hear more from Ace and BloodyC0bbler. If they would get off of their IRC they might actually talk to us instead. I am saying this in all seriousness. They won't be sharing roles ( i don't think they do at least ), nor do I know if they talk about the setup, but I know they're friends. I'm sure they're talking, but i'm not sure if they're impeding upon the morality of the game. The fact that they aren't talking on here makes me believe that they honestly haven't been active. Ace is typically a chatterbox. BC is the one I'd be worried about more if he was Mafia. Ace would be if he made an off the wall play instead of playing straight forward like he did last game. I am worried about L, too, unless he is blue. Fairly certain he has a power role. The Mad Hatter might be better off getting himself lynched right now so that we can use his kill power (unless he has a bomb on me, in which case, what are you doing, you bloody idiot lol). If he hits the GF it would be huge. The goons or a traitor would be nice, but kinda gray. I would normally be against DT's claiming after getting a goon, but if you get one after this night it would help as it would not only take down their number but it would slow the growth of their KP which we need to keep going up as slowly as possible. I am fairly certain we have 2-3 DTs since they can't check night 1, they can be recruited, and we really need them in this imbalanced setup to even have a chance. the difference between 2 goons and 3 goons is one of ours dying in the night, is it not? That could be our detective... idk. The more information we have the more of an opportunity our hatter has. The Jailkeeper needs to continuously jail the person that they have already jailed. I'm assuming that they jailed zeks since he is a practically confirmed mason until there is a CC. Continue to jail zeks, ok? Roleblocker should go for a bigger name: Ace, BC, L, Chez, YellowInk | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Take Ace, for example. Especially after his how-to-play-scum thread, I would be very surprised if the GF does not recruit him soon. We should probably take necessary precautions, unless Korynne was recruited already and he inherited that. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On July 05 2010 12:29 YellowInk wrote: After reviewing the list of participants, Abenson has still provided the least useful content. Since he has not provided enough content to figure out if he's turned to mafia, if he were recruited he would be difficult or impossible to reveal by post analysis. I havn't been able to find anything that indicates someone was turned. Yet. So in the absence of something directly indicating red, my vote is going for Abenson. On the flip side, what GF in their right mind would recruit Abenson? In normal games he's a liability for town, but in a recruitment game he might actually be an asset. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
We should stop dawdling around and actually start scumhunting. My scumdar was set off by Divinek and just because he says "lol im gonna laugh at u so hard when u find out im townie" does not mean he is a townie. In fact, that is one of the worst defenses you came come up with whether you are townie or scum. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On July 04 2010 16:58 BrownBear wrote: Also, Korynne is leaving wut? And Coroner. Motherfucker. I voted for myself as a placeholder just in case of an emergency where I can't reach my computer. I'm working 17 hour days at the moment, so it's a possibility. Let's get some discussion going. To start out, Divinek: bumatlarge gf? Bumatlarge: Leaving and throwing random vote on Chez? Wtf? Generic comments Excuse for not being here and lurking Summary of last couple posts Plz explain, BrownBear... Lack of reading, or scumminess? You have proven to me earlier that you don't read every post. On July 05 2010 06:05 citi.zen wrote: I never thought Korynne was red, but you supposedly did, so I am curious: why the change of mind? has your analysis of Korynne changed, or do you view Ace as so much better than Korynne that keeping him alive is worth the extra risk? I did not ever think Korynne was red 100%. I remember having a suspicion of her being the traitor. I thought you were the coroner, though, so what do I know. Also, in response to the tail end of your question, yes, I do believe Ace is a good enough player to keep around in case he will help the town. Here's to hopin' he doesn't rolecheck some millers like that one game. On July 05 2010 07:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Just sifting through most of this thread, like to point out a few minor things as a newcomer into this game. L Is far less active than normal Citi.zen is less active than normal BM has made a few really odd plays (even for him) Between YI/BM/Korynne(ace now) one is highly like to be traitor, or just three people who can't agree. Will do something more concrete after work tonight, or if I can manage to get a well thought out post before it. au contraire we all had the same chance to be traitor as anyone else. :p I have 0% chance now. I'm not sold on YellowInk, though he did disrupt the mason claim. Wanting to hear more from Ace, but if he's the traitor, ooo wee lee dewyze. On July 05 2010 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, after talking to DTA he needs to update his OP with how dream catchers work. If a blue is recruited/or dies the dream catcher gets a random role. His OP states that it is only if a blue is recruited. So if Lakris' death post is truthful (ie hes not traitor/gf), we have to hope that a) there is another coroner or B) that whatever dream catcher (if we have one) hit that magical 1 in 6 chance of getting coroner. As such, any plans thought of from this point on should just ignore the possibilities of a coroner for now. Bleh what a fucked situation to walk into. I'd rather have a hatter or another detective personally. I would even take a roleblocker, jailkeeper, or Veteran over it. Coroner wouldn't be terrible, and it would help a LOT, but we can monitor the mafia's numbers via their KP. Even if they "withhold" a hit to mask their KP from us that is a benefit to us. On July 05 2010 08:11 Divinek wrote: ya you got me so pegged bro when i flip red im going to congratulate you on your excellent detective work What's funny is in this game, you might not be red now, but you can be later, and he might temporarily gloat about it if we notice mafia's KP going down.... or if we have another coroner! On July 05 2010 08:17 youngminii wrote: Do you still think Zeks is scum? Zeks is mason. There's like a 99% chance he is. There's absolutely no way the masons wouldn't have counterclaimed if Zeks wasn't mason. This has been argued a thousand times already. Now assuming Zeks is mason, which is 100% reasonable, the second mason can freely claim without fear of persecution because he has the ONE ONE KEY TO RULE THEM ALL. I can tell you why they wouldn't counterclaim. Perhaps they're a blue role. duh. He said he rolled on who was masons from the deck with the roles. Couldn't they be both blue roles and masons? Then it wouldn't help to just get the traitor or a goon if zeks is a goon. I'm not saying he's the Godfather, but this gambit wouldn't hurt scum if it's a goon or traitor necessarily. + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2010 12:33 DarthThienAn wrote: Side note cuz I know it will come up: Roles were given out randomly. Specifically, I took a deck of cards and designated X cards to be X roles, put in enough cards to equal 20, shuffled, etc. Then I took the signup list and put it into a randomizer (tournament style). Took that list top from bottom as my new 1-20. Started flipping cards and assigning roles chronologically with that new list. Shuffled 19 cards (no Godfather) with 2 sets of 2 designated cards for the Free Masons / Lovers. Repeated the flipping + assigning process. TL;DR - it were r4Nd0|\/|. On July 05 2010 08:41 youngminii wrote: Chez is right, BM your argument has massive flaws. 1. It has already been reasonably assumed that there are 2 masons by extrapolating the words of Darth. 2. What's wrong with using a key and a website? That's probably the most efficient way on encryption/decryption. 3. Why are you even blaming Chez? Is there some sort of meta I don't know about? 4. With all the confusion (some of which that was made by you, BM), I'm not surprised that Zeks posted the key on D2. Do you realise how hard it was for us to even decide who to roleblock? 5. Even an incompetent retard would know well enough to counter-claim. 6. The chances of having 2 inactive masons is astronomically low. 7. YellowInk, you and Divinek are running around in circles drowned in WIFOM and causing confusion. There is no need to cause so much confusion. Accept the fact that Zeks is mason and move on. Your posts and YellowInk's posts seem genuinely townie and confused. Divinek's posts seem scummy and they don't seem confused, they seem to be aimed at creating confusion. Hence, vote Divinek  1. Not as reasonable as you think if they can be both blue and mason... he probably is. 2. I hadn't heard of this until Chez, so I felt like he was the likely culprit. 3. see above^ 4. I don't believe I caused ANY confusion. Why slinging mud on me? My play has been squeaky clean. There shouldn't be a decision on who to roleblock. The roleblocker has a brain. 5. Like I've said, there would be instances where it wouldn't be smart to out yourself. 6. You must not have played on teamliquid before... quick day/night cycles bro 7. Give reference to this absurd claim, or shove it. + Show Spoiler + On July 05 2010 08:53 Chezinu wrote: !!!! I think I cracked zek's code! On July 05 2010 08:54 zeks wrote: what the fuck are you serious This whole spiel makes me suspicious as fuck of them being scum buddies. Zeks is inactive until chez tells him to post basically..... On July 05 2010 14:35 BrownBear wrote: I think BM is correct, but I also think that we're now entering the stage where the really really good players are going to start being recruited. Now that mafia has a couple players (and remember the GF can only recruit 5), the GF is probably going to want to add the best scum players possible. Take Ace, for example. Especially after his how-to-play-scum thread, I would be very surprised if the GF does not recruit him soon. We should probably take necessary precautions, unless Korynne was recruited already and he inherited that. Korynne was pushing a plan that would help scum in my eyes. Scum's power is to take away our blues and to gain KP. I like your post, and I agree that they will start recruiting the better players (if they haven't already) On July 05 2010 14:40 BrownBear wrote: On the flip side, what GF in their right mind would recruit Abenson? In normal games he's a liability for town, but in a recruitment game he might actually be an asset. yea.. it's the kinda WIFOM you can drown in. I'm drunk feelin'. On July 05 2010 14:52 youngminii wrote: Okay I just want to once again, strongly suggest that each and everyone of you go back and look over Divinek's posts. I'm sure you'll find his posts extremely scummy (at least starting Day 2). Now lynching Abenson is a policy lynch and I actually wouldn't mind if you guys chose to default to that, but I honestly believe there is a strong likelihood that Divinek is scum and that we should lynch him. We should stop dawdling around and actually start scumhunting. My scumdar was set off by Divinek and just because he says "lol im gonna laugh at u so hard when u find out im townie" does not mean he is a townie. In fact, that is one of the worst defenses you came come up with whether you are townie or scum. bingo. i agree with you. i also feel that way about bumatlarge. even if i'm arguing with you about zeks, minii, i believe you're town. not 100%, but pretty sure. going to get a player list and put my likely town down for now Player List: 1. Chezinu - Mild FoS. Tough to read. I read a power role. Detective perhaps. 2. BrownBear - Possibly a blue role. Possibly red. Definite power role imo. Blue/Red 3. YellowInk - Likely vanilla role from my perspective. Townie/Traitor/Goon 4. zeks - greenmason/red Mild FoS. Would like to see if he's actually a mason. 5. BloodyC0bbler - green/red TheGilaBoy struck me as townie, but possibly got recruited 6. Divinek - His play has been scummy, but he may not be scum. Goon/Townie 7. Bill Murray - green/red (i'm town now, but even I can be recruited later) 8. citi.zen - blue/red 9. L - blue/red 10. DCLXVI - no idea 11. Hesmyrr - green/blue 12. youngminii - green/blue 13. bumatlarge - green/red 14. Ace - townie/traitor 15. Abenson - blue/red 16. AcrossFiveJulys - blue/red 17. rastaban - green/red | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Bill Murray
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
I think Zeks was the one who mentioned "I posted a code and so my mason partner can claim when I'm dead by giving out the key which you can use at a website to decrypt" or something. Was probably a lot less confusing than that. Also, if the mason is being jailchained, I don't see any reason not to counter claim, seeing as they'll be protected. Even if they do have a blue role, they can claim and everything will be dandy. The whole roleblock thing I was talking about was the plan we decided to put into motion - Korynne's plan. And yesh, it's true I haven't played on TL but it's been like 3 days since Zeks claimed. I'm pretty sure a mason's been on since then. Hang on for the referencing part. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On July 05 2010 15:14 Bill Murray wrote: Generic comments Excuse for not being here and lurking Summary of last couple posts Plz explain, BrownBear... Lack of reading, or scumminess? You have proven to me earlier that you don't read every post. Job as a camp counselor. Working from 7 AM to 11 or midnight most days. Sometimes I just don't have the time to read everything, so I skim what doesn't look important. Sorry. Also, neither blue nor red. Green. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Which means I'm guilty of it too. Cool. But yeah since we have no one better to lynch (barring inactive policy lynching), gogo Divinek. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On July 05 2010 15:26 BrownBear wrote: Job as a camp counselor. Working from 7 AM to 11 or midnight most days. Sometimes I just don't have the time to read everything, so I skim what doesn't look important. Sorry. Also, neither blue nor red. Green. eh, noone's perfect | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On July 05 2010 15:27 youngminii wrote: Okay I can't really reference it but by confusion I mean all the arguments about Zeks and all the WIFOM going around etc. Which means I'm guilty of it too. Cool. But yeah since we have no one better to lynch (barring inactive policy lynching), gogo Divinek. divinek to me could just be the village idiot bumatlarge is much likelier scum in my eyes | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
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