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99% chance? that's a joke. How do we even know we only have 2 masons? There could be 4 out there that didn't counterclaim because they could be:
a) incompetent
b) people who don't read the thread
c) non-existent
this leads one to believe that zeks COULD be mafia. it's too late to believe him, since he waited to post the key. NOW if we kill him, his mafia buddy (assuming he's mafia) could act as the other mason.
Him waiting until now, and not doing it before the lynch, sealed the fate of L's plan not going into effect and YellowInk bein' proved right when he said zeks COULD be mafia.
Hell, I'm one who BELIEVED him. I don't know how everything went with that, but he waited to the 2nd day to provide factual information with that key, so there is no way that I could believe someone who had the message that "key" provided.
The fact that there's a "key" and a "website" that you need to use is almost proving to me that this is a scum-tactic employed by Chezinu. I am let in on his psyche a little bit having just been a pseudo-mason with him in that mafia game that was just run via f11 with the masonic teams. I can't prove anything, but it just makes me have FoS on zeks and chezinu for being potential scumbuddies.
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i also believe that there ARE masons, and that zeks IS a mason, I'm just prepared for the POSSIBILITY of Chezinu influencing this guy as mafia.
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that's a poor argument because someone besides me suggested the use of codes (I was against it this format). I can't take credit for starting the codes in mafia games - A5J started it - I just expanded on the idea.
Plus, I wanted the masons to claim on Day 1. I had a faultless method - pm eachother/ get on IRC and roleclaim at the exact same time claiming eachother.
If that isn't enough - you didn't even play with me in the melee game. You chose to play solo.
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@BM
If zeks was mafia he still could have posted the key yesterday and then given the key to the expected new recruit today. Him posting the key today changes nothing, as the "fake mason" could have safely assumed that he would live long enough to talk to another mafia.
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There's always the chance that zeks is mafia. It's a small chance, but it exists.
Can we stop yelling at each other over this please?
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Chez is right, BM your argument has massive flaws.
1. It has already been reasonably assumed that there are 2 masons by extrapolating the words of Darth.
2. What's wrong with using a key and a website? That's probably the most efficient way on encryption/decryption.
3. Why are you even blaming Chez? Is there some sort of meta I don't know about?
4. With all the confusion (some of which that was made by you, BM), I'm not surprised that Zeks posted the key on D2. Do you realise how hard it was for us to even decide who to roleblock?
5. Even an incompetent retard would know well enough to counter-claim.
6. The chances of having 2 inactive masons is astronomically low.
7. YellowInk, you and Divinek are running around in circles drowned in WIFOM and causing confusion.
There is no need to cause so much confusion. Accept the fact that Zeks is mason and move on.
Your posts and YellowInk's posts seem genuinely townie and confused. Divinek's posts seem scummy and they don't seem confused, they seem to be aimed at creating confusion.
Hence, vote Divinek 
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!!!! I think I cracked zek's code!
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what the fuck are you serious
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yes.. I'm still debating if I should reveal the information or not.. too trust zek or not to trust zek... that is the question
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Free Mason
There are two of you. You have the ability to PM each other. You may not be recruited as mafia, but will be notified if someone tries to recruit you. If a Free Mason is roleblocked and recruited by the Godfather on the same night, he/she will become a member of the mafia, but will still be able to PM his fellow Free Mason.
Theres only two in the game. Unless this is some super hidden setup where we don't know what exists like your game BM.
I honestly dont know any other safer way to do the message thingy, I was gonna do a death post for my mason partner anyways. If you have a safer way to encrypt a message by all means please tell me.
Why the fuck is the question of me being mason the focal point still?
This is a ridiculous gambit for mafia to employ with heavy repercussions if it fails. Seriously you'd need both masons to be retards to not call me out now... look at this game:
1. Chezinu
2. BrownBear
3. YellowInk
4. zeks
5. Thegilaboy
6. Divinek
7. Bill Murray
8. citi.zen
9. L
10. DCLXVI
11. Hesmyrr
12. youngminii
13. bumatlarge
14. Korynne
15. lakrismamma
16. Abenson
17. ElyAs
18. AcrossFiveJulys
19. rastaban
20. BrowneY
I'm sure 99% of this list (if they were actually mason) they'd call me out on it. What reasons would the real masons have to not reveal themselves as the real masons? None.
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I agree why the fuck would you post the decrypted code youh 4t3u83huqtw MUHU#%UT#IM$Vc
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What don't you people get? Zeks is mason. There's a very very very very very very small chance that he is not. There's a bigger chance that the scum recruited a roleblocker on the night 0 and then without communicating, scum roleblocked Zeks and the GF recruited him on night 1.
Do you guys realise how small that chance is?
Stop acting as if Zeks isn't a mason, you're about to jeopardise L's plan.
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i think chezinu is bluffing theres no way you can decrypt it without the key
theres a mathematical algorithm that goes along with encrypting it plus the key is case sensitive ... how the fuck would u have done it in such a short period of time (unless ur some genius underground russian CS wizard, or you hired R1CH)
what was the point of that post chez ?
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Depends on the key. Is it TEA?
I was actually thinking of writing a small program to try brute force to decrypt it, using numbers and words from the dictionary.
Either way, Chez's post seems very suspicious.
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I wish I could pm you the answer I got. I decided to send the translation to Darth to reveal post-game to see whether it was right or not. But remember I shoot blanks a lot and I'm full of fluff.
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On July 05 2010 09:18 Chezinu wrote:
I wish I could pm you the answer I got. I decided to send the translation to Darth to reveal post-game to see whether it was right or not. But remember I shoot blanks a lot and I'm full of fluff.
not as much this game...
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I know a way to find out whether zeks is lying or not! lynch him.
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On July 04 2010 17:16 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2010 01:55 Chezinu wrote:Chezinu's post: + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2010 12:34 Chezinu wrote:I cannot believe that this town believes that my behavior is disruptive. You people hardly even know who I am. I have not even spoken a word. If silence causes chaos, then let my voice create order. To began the task of creating a like-minded community that can overthrow the evil schemes that Kira (Godfather) has ordained as "justice" we must organize ourselves and create a model for the whole town to follow. I think L is a good candidate to lead our investigation for no one knows who this man is or where he comes from. Just like our adversary, Kira.. If you were the Godfather, you would not chose the obvious nor the least likely recruits, but you would choose names that blend in as your average joe. With that said, let us not dwell on the past but on the present and future. 1. No time to act crazy, it is against the rules and hurts town because your death tells nothing. 2. We have new roles and that brings up the standard questions: Are all roles used? How many blues? - I didn't see anything stating that this was a semi-open game. 3. Plans? Should Lovers and Mason roleclaim to rush the mafia while there numbers are low? Should we use this tactic to narrow down the possibility of who the GF could be before mafia numbers grow and the chances of lovers becoming corrupted by the power to kill? Or is this move way too risky? But if we kill the Mothership containing the queen, there will be no reproduction. So we need not focus on the pawns, if we kill one today another will appear tomorrow. If we do dare to go after the pawns, we must hope and pray that the pawn themselves kill the godfather without knowing it themselves. With that in mind, many townies will pretend to be godfather in hopes that the mafia pawns whether it is for selfish reasons to get the mafia to leave them alone or as an act of conserving their special role or perhaps to be a town hero in some crazy strategy. This behavior will hinder the town in finding the real godfather who may or may not contain scummy behavior. Secret codes to indicate that you are the godfather may need to be banned in order to prevent chaos. DTs should focus on finding the GF, that is your primary objective. Coroner please stick around, for we need you to dig up some graves and examine the bodies. Or perhaps just stick around to examine the unburied bodies.. Not sure what we are going to do with the dead as of right now. Hopefully, we'll end this game before it gets too messy. For 30% fun: Show nested quote +On June 30 2010 12:33 DarthThienAn wrote:
Side note cuz I know it will come up: Roles were given out randomly.
Specifically, I took a deck of cards and designated X cards to be X roles, put in enough cards to equal 20, shuffled, etc. Then I took the signup list and put it into a randomizer (tournament style). Took that list top from bottom as my new 1-20. Started flipping cards and assigning roles chronologically with that new list. Shuffled 19 cards (no Godfather) with 2 sets of 2 designated cards for the Free Masons / Lovers. Repeated the flipping + assigning process.
TL;DR - it were r4Nd0|\/|. Did you or did you not use the queen of hearts to decide who would be Juliet? + Show Spoiler +Was it the King of hearts or the jack of hearts for Romeo? On July 01 2010 12:48 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2010 12:40 Korynne wrote:
Well at least we all agree that middle would be most obvious mafia GF choice. =]
Chez you just made a really long post that can be summarized as follows:
1. Chez asks a question about roles
2. Chez says we should have a plan... and then asks if roleclaiming is a good idea...
So Chez, I still think your behaviour is disruptive. xP
The only problem with our mafia speculation is that gf could be any skill level of player. So we should probably focus on that rather than looking for the 1 mafia that now exists.
You missed the key point. We should focus more on killing the Godfather than the pawns. With this thought, the idea of having lovers and mason roleclaim confirming each other could benefit the town and lead to a quick victory. Roleblocker can protect a lover from dying. Town has the advantage early game in this setup unlike other games. We must stop the mafia before their numbers out grow us! I think this is insightful information, perhaps in your eyes I am just stating the obvious. But new setups, one must state the obvious for the betterment of the town so that we can all work together with one mind. On July 01 2010 13:17 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2010 13:12 YellowInk wrote:
A few quick points I want to stick into this flurry.
Mass roleclaim is bad. Bad Chez Bad. Hang the Chez for even suggesting. Cahoots!
Stalemates are not good for town. They're not terrible, either, IF the godfather is dead, but since as a non-roleblocking townie it's hard for one to be sure if we're actually in a stalemate or perhaps had a lucky medic/vet in between two role blocks.
Double lynches should be used in the mid to late game, not in the early game. It's a town empowering ability. Right now we'd be shooting blanks. Later we'll need them to clean up the scum.
If I were the godfather, I would have recruited a top player. Remember that we're going to have a very difficult time lynching any of the skilled players to begin with. While the numbers are thin, they're going to play no differently from any other townie. It doesn't matter that we know who the skilled players are, I am not about to bet the game on lynching L or Korynne or BM tonight. If we were to start lynching these players, the godfather would then switch to going after middling players, so there's not much advantaged to be gained by making a plan to lynch top players.
Ok, so that last point wasn't so quick.
Recruiting games are tough. You can't trust anyone - unfortunately especially those who get named as 'strong'. I never said to mass roleclaim.. On July 01 2010 13:47 Chezinu wrote:
we have no medics.. On July 01 2010 13:52 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2010 13:48 BrownBear wrote:
ahh, i didn't realize we didn't have medics.
Plus, we can roleblock someone twice in a row, so there's no reason not to keep them alive at least once and then roleblock them again. oh! Jailer acts as medic, I was wrong On July 01 2010 14:05 Chezinu wrote:
As of right now Town has the advantage:
Godfather: Recruited one person and doesn't know their role. Thus can't really coordinate.
Traitor: Knows nothing.
Recruit: Knows nothing.
What we know as town:
We have lovers... I did not intentionally fish Darth into revealing this information.. but know town knows!
So if we have free masons then we know that it is possible that if lovers/masons confirm each other via role claim 4 proven innocents right off the bat. This reduces finding traitor,recruit, and GF to 3/16 chance. Only GF can fake claim lover/mason by confirming recruit and hoping that he plays along. To prevent this, true masons/lovers can pm each other to and post exact same time.
If we want to make this move, we have to do it today while mafia numbers are low and lack communication/information.
With Jailer/Roleblocker available we can extend the lives of lovers/masons. Having 4 confirm townies to start the game would only benefit the town. I would suggest masons to claim first. I can't see any fault with this plan. This plan will work if free masons exist. So if you are the masons please consider this plan. On July 01 2010 14:19 Chezinu wrote:
I just realized that lovers/masons could possibly have blue roles.. That could make things more interesting.. On July 01 2010 14:22 Chezinu wrote:
I would leave roleclaiming up to the masons to decide. They know what roles they have and have far greater knowledge than we do. I just want to make sure the masons know their options. On July 01 2010 14:41 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2010 14:39 youngminii wrote:
Doesn't the godfather know that he failed? nope! His recruits will probably know since all recruits know each other. So they have to find a way to inform the GF if his plan failed. On July 01 2010 14:54 Chezinu wrote:Ok, I probably need to go to bed as well.. I might pop up again tonight because this game is addicting. + Show Spoiler +Just to mess with the mafia, because going to bed taunting mafia and messing with them is fun. What if they are lovers roleclaim masons? What if masons roleclaim lovers? hehe What if we have both masons and lovers and they both roleclaim "couples"? What if tomorrow two recruits roleclaim "couples" only to later be checked by a DT that causes them both to die? On July 02 2010 07:58 Chezinu wrote:
Top suspects atm:
##mafia Korynee
##GF Yellowink -- was thinking but admitted accusing me was a cheap shot. So, I'm going to leave you alone for now.
Top innocents:
1. Bill Murray
I know this may sound crazy, but I was thinking Kory was mafia before Bill started attacking her. I don't think Kory is the GF, but is more likely a recruit. Reasons: She is not male and therefore can't be godfather and she was active before the silence game. GF wouldn't want to risk having an inactive. Other biases, Kory has been attacking everything I say.. Bill on the other had has been flattering me, so obviously I'm going to side with Bill.
Note: the only serious thing in this post - I agree with Bill Murray that Kory has been acting strange. But I doubt Kory is GF but more likely recruit. I think I'm going to go through the list of players now and try to find a good lynch candidate. On July 02 2010 08:03 Chezinu wrote:
Wow, everyone seems to be on the same page as me this game. I post that we need to focus on GF at the same time other people do. I post mason plan though different same time as L. Now, someone posts that the likely-hood Bill and Kory are low and are going to look through the player list to find a GF candidate.
Conclusion: either everyone became crazy like me which isn't true. Or I'm finally playing sane this game. On July 02 2010 08:07 Chezinu wrote:
Ok just to note,
Confirmed by mod: Browney can't be GF because he didn't have access to thread and we have lovers because he used to queen of hearts to pick Juliet and the queen of clubs for Romeo. I can't help but play with logistics.. At least kory isn't host, lol. On July 02 2010 08:41 Chezinu wrote:
Ok, I still haven't narrow down the list yet for GF, I have to go soon and don't think I'll finish the list. So, I'm just going to state the obvious since it is a new setup.
Almost Facts:
1. We have lovers
2. Browney is unlikely GF since he has no access to forum
3. If we have masons that claim and then lovers claim afterwards we would temporarily have 5 confirm innocents. If one would count oneself as innocent then finding traitor/recruit/GF from the remaining list would be 3/14 chance. If we take into consideration inactives that will be modkilled the chance of killing mafia would increase more. I've been busy, but here is my current list of potential lynch candidates for today: 2. BrownBear 3. YellowInk 6. Divinek 8. citi.zen 9. L 11. Hesmyrr 12. youngminii 13. bumatlarge 14. Korynne 15. lakrismamma 16. Abenson 18. AcrossFiveJulys 19. rastaban As for my plan about both masons claiming, followed by lovers claim (of course lovers could have claimed masons as well - and they could have claimed first to mess with the mafia etc..). It would reduce the above list narrowing down who the possible GF could be. By "rushing" the mafia, I meant that we snipe the GF as fast as possible before he could build up an army. We kill him now while there is no mafia coordination. Of course, rushing means that we may expose ourselves if we aren't successful. But we wouldn't expose ourselves too much since Jailer/roleblocker can cover our masons/lovers to reduce chances of losing them. One factor that I didn't initially think about is that a masons/lovers may have a special role, which in that case the non-special mason may be the only one willing to roleclaim. That's why I left the choice for the masons to decide for themselves. Updated Hit list: 2. BrownBear 3. YellowInk 6. Divinek 8. citi.zen 9. L 11. Hesmyrr 12. youngminii 13. bumatlarge 14. Korynne 15. lakrismamma16. Abenson 18. AcrossFiveJulys 19. rastaban
Updated Hit list:
3. YellowInk
6. Divinek
8. citi.zen
9. L
11. Hesmyrr
12. youngminii
15. lakrismamma
16. Abenson
19. rastaban
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Why do you call it a "hit" list Chez? Oh wait, I know... it's an honest mistake, you must have meant "lynch", like you did in your first post. Innocent slip-up, I'm sure.
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