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 rawr teammate! I almost forgot Ace was on my team.
=D. L, if you want more information on anything specific, just ask imo.
ie.
[Your argument]
[My response]
[Your explanation of how I sidestepped]
And believe it or not, I forgot what culpability meant earlier and looking it up didn't help so I completely misinterpreted what you meant until now. By culpability you meant how you were connecting Team 5 to Ace and myself? I addressed that pretty early, didn't I? I thought I said something along the lines of "I agree" (assuming your logic), but also that "I disagree and think YellowInk makes his team stronger than teams XXX" which makes your logic meh-ish? I still think YellowInk's team is not the weakest in the game, and so, even taking into account manual team balancing, he wouldn't necessarily be paired up with Korynne/Radfield, Ace/myself, or you/Caller. Well, I mean, the chances are high because that's 1/3 of the teams, lol, but I could just as easily see another middle-ish team being mafia. ie. teams 2, 3, or, based on your account of meeple, team 7, even.
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To summarize the above information, I'm moving my vote to team 7 for the moment until they post more than a sum of 4 times between their 3 players. Or I get a better red read on someone. This far into the day and with all of them having checked in at least once (ie they all know the game is on), this is ridiculous.
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How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L?
you saying youre green definitely makes you seen green
can you explain what you and chez were trying to accomplish with the series of morse code messages?
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On June 23 2010 12:07 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green. What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two." Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are. Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said. The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue. We do not know you are green. Everyone is going to claim green. That's irrelevant. I addressed your argument. I said you suspecting the host of balancing teams is a fallacy, especially when the host claimed to use a RNG. If you still do then your entire argument hinges on the host lying right? Your argument was that Yi/Durak are a weak team. If they are red, then the other mafia team must be a strong team. You then say it's up to my team or Radfield's team. I told you that IF you argument was sound then you'd also have to include yourself. The rest of the town has no idea about your alignment and saying "my PM says I'm green" doesn't make it any clearer. This is what I keep bringing up : the LOGIC in your arguments don't add up. Also what does Radfield/Korynne being silent have to do with my stance on them? Them not responding to you doesn't make them scummy. Once again your saying I'm taking an odd defensive stance when all I've done is address why your logic doesn't add up. Seems more to me that you are trying to forcefully characterize my stance on your argument into a position which doesn't exist.
Why would I include myself from my own point of view when I know I'm not red? Me being in such a position lets me narrow down the possibilities as much as possible. You can't be certain I'm not lying, but then again that's kinda the entire point of the game, no? If you want to use the logic but don't trust me, feel free to put my name in and take yours out from your analysis' pov. That's kinda how it works.
This seriously has to be the most truistic and circular objection to an argument I've ever seen. Why do you consistently waste time on such stupid shit?
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 12:10 Bill Murray wrote:
I'll keep that in mind, as I didn't ever understand why people would vote for me when acting like an idiot in this way. I figured that AtE wasn't really a bad thing if used properly, but you make me see the broader picture here tbh.
I would say that it's just him analyzing things from his perspective. Noone really know what is going through L's head...
I personally would vote for someone acting like an idiot because they're hurting the town by doing so and therefore mafia or a bad townie. AtE? You're wrong! I wasn't fishing at all.  ...then you were serious? o_o. This says much about either your role, or your skill level.
I will admit that the last time I played in a setup like this I disrailed the thread by pushing the lynches of two town-on-town argumentees i was going up against (flamewheel and kf91). If you'll notice, though, I have learned from my bad-play and am not pushing further for YellowInk's head to be hung (because I realize I am not the one who should be deciding anymore, and that there is a likelihood of it being town on town....)
THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum...
some town on town action never hurt anyone :D
my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad.
what do you better players think of who we should lynch?
That logic doesn't help anyone. We all think we're town, and we all know there are 2 mafia teams out there. And there's no chance that no one will be lynched, as long as 1 vote is cast, which it has been. There's no such thing as a no-lynch in this setup. Why Zyrre? I don't remember anything about what he's posted this game.
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On June 23 2010 12:17 DarthThienAn wrote: rawr teammate! I almost forgot Ace was on my team. =D. L, if you want more information on anything specific, just ask imo. ie. [Your argument] [My response] [Your explanation of how I sidestepped] And believe it or not, I forgot what culpability meant earlier and looking it up didn't help so I completely misinterpreted what you meant until now. By culpability you meant how you were connecting Team 5 to Ace and myself? I addressed that pretty early, didn't I? I thought I said something along the lines of "I agree" (assuming your logic), but also that "I disagree and think YellowInk makes his team stronger than teams XXX" which makes your logic meh-ish? I still think YellowInk's team is not the weakest in the game, and so, even taking into account manual team balancing, he wouldn't necessarily be paired up with Korynne/Radfield, Ace/myself, or you/Caller. Well, I mean, the chances are high because that's 1/3 of the teams, lol, but I could just as easily see another middle-ish team being mafia. ie. teams 2, 3, or, based on your account of meeple, team 7, even.
Don't really need anymore information out of your team. Pretty sure I have a good read on you guys. More worried about the quiet kids for now.
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On June 23 2010 12:21 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:07 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green. What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two." Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are. Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said. The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue. We do not know you are green. Everyone is going to claim green. That's irrelevant. I addressed your argument. I said you suspecting the host of balancing teams is a fallacy, especially when the host claimed to use a RNG. If you still do then your entire argument hinges on the host lying right? Your argument was that Yi/Durak are a weak team. If they are red, then the other mafia team must be a strong team. You then say it's up to my team or Radfield's team. I told you that IF you argument was sound then you'd also have to include yourself. The rest of the town has no idea about your alignment and saying "my PM says I'm green" doesn't make it any clearer. This is what I keep bringing up : the LOGIC in your arguments don't add up. Also what does Radfield/Korynne being silent have to do with my stance on them? Them not responding to you doesn't make them scummy. Once again your saying I'm taking an odd defensive stance when all I've done is address why your logic doesn't add up. Seems more to me that you are trying to forcefully characterize my stance on your argument into a position which doesn't exist. Why would I include myself from my own point of view when I know I'm not red? Me being in such a position lets me narrow down the possibilities as much as possible. You can't be certain I'm not lying, but then again that's kinda the entire point of the game, no? If you want to use the logic but don't trust me, feel free to put my name in and take yours out from your analysis' pov. That's kinda how it works. This seriously has to be the most truistic and circular objection to an argument I've ever seen. Why do you consistently waste time on such stupid shit?
I can't believe you of all people are accusing someone of circular logic. I'm trying to illustrate to you that saying "I'm green" doesn't remove you from the pool of "strong teams" in your own argument. I know you'll claim green, no shit. I'm telling you it isn't convincing anyone that you aren't scum and repeating it doesn't help either.
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On June 23 2010 12:05 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:00 L wrote:Hum? I don't find anything wrong with you using team strength as a basis for your ideas. I personally just don't like that argument, because as far as I know, the setup's random, so I personally will refuse to use that as a source of my reasoning ^^. I have a few pre-game pms from certain people that make me believe otherwise, but I might be inferring a bit too much out of a bit too little. Either way, seems like a relatively prudent point to make. Unless I'm just trying to pressure your team into posting more, amirite? Then I'm all kinds of ballsy. You do it your way, I'll do it mine =P. And I don't mind that. I'm here anyway zz. On another note, I don't think anyone's responded to my first post directly -_-.
If I may say so, it was very incriminating 
But a nice chocolate sundae of what people are doing so far since the day dawned.
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On June 23 2010 12:26 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:21 L wrote:On June 23 2010 12:07 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green. What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two." Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are. Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said. The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue. We do not know you are green. Everyone is going to claim green. That's irrelevant. I addressed your argument. I said you suspecting the host of balancing teams is a fallacy, especially when the host claimed to use a RNG. If you still do then your entire argument hinges on the host lying right? Your argument was that Yi/Durak are a weak team. If they are red, then the other mafia team must be a strong team. You then say it's up to my team or Radfield's team. I told you that IF you argument was sound then you'd also have to include yourself. The rest of the town has no idea about your alignment and saying "my PM says I'm green" doesn't make it any clearer. This is what I keep bringing up : the LOGIC in your arguments don't add up. Also what does Radfield/Korynne being silent have to do with my stance on them? Them not responding to you doesn't make them scummy. Once again your saying I'm taking an odd defensive stance when all I've done is address why your logic doesn't add up. Seems more to me that you are trying to forcefully characterize my stance on your argument into a position which doesn't exist. Why would I include myself from my own point of view when I know I'm not red? Me being in such a position lets me narrow down the possibilities as much as possible. You can't be certain I'm not lying, but then again that's kinda the entire point of the game, no? If you want to use the logic but don't trust me, feel free to put my name in and take yours out from your analysis' pov. That's kinda how it works. This seriously has to be the most truistic and circular objection to an argument I've ever seen. Why do you consistently waste time on such stupid shit? I can't believe you of all people are accusing someone of circular logic. I'm trying to illustrate to you that saying "I'm green" doesn't remove you from the pool of "strong teams" in your own argument. I know you'll claim green, no shit. I'm telling you it isn't convincing anyone that you aren't scum and repeating it doesn't help either.
Derp, and I'm telling you that's irrelevant because I am not 'anyone'. I'm a person privy to the private information contained in my role pm. Whether or not your believe me is kinda irrelevant to me because its very unlikely given the rolecounts that this'll become the basis of a kill from our team.
In general, however, this has been a fantastic way to make you talk more than you would have otherwise, so thank you for taking part on that fishing expedition.
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On June 23 2010 12:29 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:05 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 12:00 L wrote:Hum? I don't find anything wrong with you using team strength as a basis for your ideas. I personally just don't like that argument, because as far as I know, the setup's random, so I personally will refuse to use that as a source of my reasoning ^^. I have a few pre-game pms from certain people that make me believe otherwise, but I might be inferring a bit too much out of a bit too little. Either way, seems like a relatively prudent point to make. Unless I'm just trying to pressure your team into posting more, amirite? Then I'm all kinds of ballsy. You do it your way, I'll do it mine =P. And I don't mind that. I'm here anyway zz. On another note, I don't think anyone's responded to my first post directly -_-. If I may say so, it was very incriminating But a nice chocolate sundae of what people are doing so far since the day dawned.
It was? I don't even remember what I posted except for the summary. I know you were in there =P. And I know you still aren't posting anything =P.
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On June 23 2010 12:17 YellowInk wrote:
To summarize the above information, I'm moving my vote to team 7 for the moment until they post more than a sum of 4 times between their 3 players. Or I get a better red read on someone. This far into the day and with all of them having checked in at least once (ie they all know the game is on), this is ridiculous.
Inactivity is a bad reason to lynch... unless there's no one talking... there's like 12 pages of talking so it's time to go out and do some analysis... BM and Chez are shitting up the thread right now... me and my teammates are most definitely green, but if you continue on this path you will see it soon enough...
In any case, I'm off to bed and officially out of this game... good luck!
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no problem. I was planning on talking a lot anyway this game so you don't lead the town to depths of hell like you normally do.
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rolecount = votecount. My bad, dawg.
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On June 23 2010 11:25 YellowInk wrote:
Pregame key encryption should be considered equivilant to PMing and result in modkill. I'm not saying that is what you're doing, but if you have any understanding of cryptography this should be obvious.
Wait, I'm lost. Would you mind explaining this to me?
Also keep the ad hominem attacks down -__-
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On June 23 2010 12:33 Ace wrote:
no problem. I was planning on talking a lot anyway this game so you don't lead the town to depths of hell like you normally do.
Like in the day vig games wherein town always loses? Glad you've been winning those on townside yourself.
Oh wait, you don't. GGPO
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On June 23 2010 12:35 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:25 YellowInk wrote:
Pregame key encryption should be considered equivilant to PMing and result in modkill. I'm not saying that is what you're doing, but if you have any understanding of cryptography this should be obvious.
Wait, I'm lost. Would you mind explaining this to me?
Pregame I send you a key. Ingame I post messages that'll only be decoded by that key. The information I put into the thread can only be understood by a single person.
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Hey I can't stop people from doing what they want. But if you want to argue about who's a better player we both know that won't last long ^_^
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On June 23 2010 12:32 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:26 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 12:21 L wrote:On June 23 2010 12:07 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green. What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two." Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are. Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said. The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue. We do not know you are green. Everyone is going to claim green. That's irrelevant. I addressed your argument. I said you suspecting the host of balancing teams is a fallacy, especially when the host claimed to use a RNG. If you still do then your entire argument hinges on the host lying right? Your argument was that Yi/Durak are a weak team. If they are red, then the other mafia team must be a strong team. You then say it's up to my team or Radfield's team. I told you that IF you argument was sound then you'd also have to include yourself. The rest of the town has no idea about your alignment and saying "my PM says I'm green" doesn't make it any clearer. This is what I keep bringing up : the LOGIC in your arguments don't add up. Also what does Radfield/Korynne being silent have to do with my stance on them? Them not responding to you doesn't make them scummy. Once again your saying I'm taking an odd defensive stance when all I've done is address why your logic doesn't add up. Seems more to me that you are trying to forcefully characterize my stance on your argument into a position which doesn't exist. Why would I include myself from my own point of view when I know I'm not red? Me being in such a position lets me narrow down the possibilities as much as possible. You can't be certain I'm not lying, but then again that's kinda the entire point of the game, no? If you want to use the logic but don't trust me, feel free to put my name in and take yours out from your analysis' pov. That's kinda how it works. This seriously has to be the most truistic and circular objection to an argument I've ever seen. Why do you consistently waste time on such stupid shit? I can't believe you of all people are accusing someone of circular logic. I'm trying to illustrate to you that saying "I'm green" doesn't remove you from the pool of "strong teams" in your own argument. I know you'll claim green, no shit. I'm telling you it isn't convincing anyone that you aren't scum and repeating it doesn't help either. Derp, and I'm telling you that's irrelevant because I am not 'anyone'. I'm a person privy to the private information contained in my role pm. Whether or not your believe me is kinda irrelevant to me because its very unlikely given the rolecounts that this'll become the basis of a kill from our team. In general, however, this has been a fantastic way to make you talk more than you would have otherwise, so thank you for taking part on that fishing expedition.
How big was the fish?
From what I can tell, this argument is completely silly, and I think you can both agree that any one person/team can say "I know I am green, therefore..."
And then you (L) are saying, "Yeah, I'm excluding that option in my posts cuz I know I'm green"
whereas Ace is saying, "Why are you excluding yourself? We don't know that you're green."
which means, it really comes down to a matter of posting style / thought process. In general, I include myself in the equation (in thread) if I might be mafia in other people's eyes, because then, it's applicable to everyone, and everyone can agree with my logic. Leaving that out only works for me / my team only, which makes it less helpful / clear to everyone else.
But really, this all seems silly to me, and I think we should move on to bigger and better things.
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On June 23 2010 12:36 Ace wrote:
Hey I can't stop people from doing what they want. But if you want to argue about who's a better player we both know that won't last long ^_^
Nah, I'd prefer you stop being such a whiny little girl and go scum hunt like a good townie.
Or you could catfight with me. That would be swell too.
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