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By the way, flamewheel does his thing by random number generator L. So you can't just say oh look I found a weak mafia therefore the other mafia must be "strong." Also, I personally believe that YellowInk is rather decent, especially for someone new.
Please don't start hustling the newbies already, it's only day 1. xD
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On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right.
So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy?
Explain this more.
Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before.
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On June 23 2010 10:16 LaXerCannon wrote:
I've just noticed Team 7 has 5 posts to split among the three of them or 4 posts to split between two of them since meeple's gone until tomorrow. That's definitely something to consider and is the reason why I'll be voting for them.
I'm going to go over the thread again because the arguments got pretty messy IMO.
Oh god, I just read over the thread twice and I can't seem to make out anything past the initial YI and Bumatlarge argument. I'll give it another stab tomorrow when my mind's less...scrambled.
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How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L?
stop getting your panties in a bunch, it was JUST a random vote to start things off. Sure L might have the potential to lead the town to victory, he has also shown in the past that he is very detrimental to the town. are we supposed to worship such veterans every game just because they have more experience than everyone else?
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The emotions coming out now is fantastic, I love the drama.
And whos to say durok here isnt some mastermind himself? Until I've gotten to know someone through my own experience with them, you really can't make too many judgments about them. Give him a shot to earn his spurs, then ask who the fuck he is.
I'm making a list and I'm checking it twice. Too bad Laxer is asleep or busy, I dont think he'll be as fun to watch as the previous game, where he was in full bloom of his potential  joshin ya laxer. Anyone want some alcohol induced analysis? Spell-check is cool. That is all.
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On June 23 2010 11:33 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L?
stop getting your panties in a bunch, it was JUST a random vote to start things off. Sure L might have the potential to lead the town to victory, he has also shown in the past that he is very detrimental to the town. are we supposed to worship such veterans every game just because they have more experience than everyone else?
? I said potential to lead us to death. And I said, that's the only possible reason you had for voting for him.
Also, if your vote was random, why bother making it? You could just wait 24 hours and make an actual vote.
I'm not saying you should worship them, but being a veteran isn't something that you KILL them for...
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On June 23 2010 11:32 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:16 LaXerCannon wrote:
I've just noticed Team 7 has 5 posts to split among the three of them or 4 posts to split between two of them since meeple's gone until tomorrow. That's definitely something to consider and is the reason why I'll be voting for them.
I'm going to go over the thread again because the arguments got pretty messy IMO. Oh god, I just read over the thread twice and I can't seem to make out anything past the initial YI and Bumatlarge argument. I'll give it another stab tomorrow when my mind's less...scrambled.
I lied! Reading back on what I wrote, I think I should proofread more. I convey the ideas so poorly, no wonder Ink thinks (lol) Im sketchy. Bill Murray's sig is awesome.
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On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before.
If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally.
And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green.
What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two."
Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are.
Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said.
The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue.
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On June 23 2010 11:36 DarthThienAn wrote:
? I said potential to lead us to death. And I said, that's the only possible reason you had for voting for him.
Also, if your vote was random, why bother making it? You could just wait 24 hours and make an actual vote.
I'm not saying you should worship them, but being a veteran isn't something that you KILL them for...
okay i might've misread your post
i made the vote to just start things off.
i didn't cast the vote in hopes of actually lynching L.
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On June 23 2010 11:28 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong. How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L? Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb. Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough.
Nikon changed his name from Nikoner. Maybe you remember him playing under that name.
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On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green. What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two." Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are. Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said. The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue.
Hum? I don't find anything wrong with you using team strength as a basis for your ideas. I personally just don't like that argument, because as far as I know, the setup's random, so I personally will refuse to use that as a source of my reasoning ^^.
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On June 23 2010 11:47 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:28 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong. How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L? On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb. Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough. Nikon changed his name from Nikoner. Maybe you remember him playing under that name.
lol. I had to look him up, couldn't remember him for the life of me :D
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Hum? I don't find anything wrong with you using team strength as a basis for your ideas. I personally just don't like that argument, because as far as I know, the setup's random, so I personally will refuse to use that as a source of my reasoning ^^. I have a few pre-game pms from certain people that make me believe otherwise, but I might be inferring a bit too much out of a bit too little. Either way, seems like a relatively prudent point to make.
Unless I'm just trying to pressure your team into posting more, amirite? Then I'm all kinds of ballsy.
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On June 23 2010 12:00 L wrote:Show nested quote +Hum? I don't find anything wrong with you using team strength as a basis for your ideas. I personally just don't like that argument, because as far as I know, the setup's random, so I personally will refuse to use that as a source of my reasoning ^^. I have a few pre-game pms from certain people that make me believe otherwise, but I might be inferring a bit too much out of a bit too little. Either way, seems like a relatively prudent point to make. Unless I'm just trying to pressure your team into posting more, amirite? Then I'm all kinds of ballsy.
You do it your way, I'll do it mine =P.
And I don't mind that. I'm here anyway zz. On another note, I don't think anyone's responded to my first post directly -_-.
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On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green. What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two." Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are. Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said. The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue.
We do not know you are green. Everyone is going to claim green. That's irrelevant.
I addressed your argument. I said you suspecting the host of balancing teams is a fallacy, especially when the host claimed to use a RNG. If you still do then your entire argument hinges on the host lying right?
Your argument was that Yi/Durak are a weak team. If they are red, then the other mafia team must be a strong team. You then say it's up to my team or Radfield's team. I told you that IF you argument was sound then you'd also have to include yourself. The rest of the town has no idea about your alignment and saying "my PM says I'm green" doesn't make it any clearer. This is what I keep bringing up : the LOGIC in your arguments don't add up.
Also what does Radfield/Korynne being silent have to do with my stance on them? Them not responding to you doesn't make them scummy. Once again your saying I'm taking an odd defensive stance when all I've done is address why your logic doesn't add up. Seems more to me that you are trying to forcefully characterize my stance on your argument into a position which doesn't exist.
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On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb.
If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty.
I'll keep that in mind, as I didn't ever understand why people would vote for me when acting like an idiot in this way. I figured that AtE wasn't really a bad thing if used properly, but you make me see the broader picture here tbh.
I would say that it's just him analyzing things from his perspective. Noone really know what is going through L's head...
On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well.
You're wrong! I wasn't fishing at all. 
On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff.
"I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right."
LOL.
On June 23 2010 11:27 L wrote:
Oh, silly me, Top of the page darth comes out too.
That makes all 4 of you. Connect 4!
lol L if you're not going to go into law you should go into comedy and i say that in all seriousness not the over-used cliche-style joke
On June 23 2010 11:28 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong. How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L? Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote:
So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb. Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough.
I will admit that the last time I played in a setup like this I disrailed the thread by pushing the lynches of two town-on-town argumentees i was going up against (flamewheel and kf91). If you'll notice, though, I have learned from my bad-play and am not pushing further for YellowInk's head to be hung (because I realize I am not the one who should be deciding anymore, and that there is a likelihood of it being town on town....)
THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum...
my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad.
what do you better players think of who we should lynch?
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On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before.
@Ace: did you view the argument with YI being town on town earlier?
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Alright, my search function seems to be working fine now. Some info mined from this thread. These are post counts of anything after post 27 (the day 1 start)
Player Team # # posts
Radfield 1 2
Korynne 1 13
Bill Murray 2 20
Chezinu 2 25
LaXerCannon 3 6
bumatlarge 3 15
aCe 4 12
DarthThienAn 4 5
Durak 5 4
YellowInk 5 20
L 6 14
Caller 6 1
Nikon 7 1
Zyrre 7 2
meeple 7 1
Stormtemplar 8 5
johnnyspazz 8 9
BrownBear 8 4
DCLXVI 9 4
MooCow 9 3
Divinek 9 9
Also, I saw someone format this more nicely in another game. Do you have to post it as an image or is there a way to get a table? I tried clicking all the buttons and none of them seem to make tables.
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On June 23 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. @Ace: did you view the argument with YI being town on town earlier?
Your argument with YI? I viewed it as you (my strongest scum read so far) arguing with someone I don't have a read on. Only thing I could say about YI was he was trying to start discussion.
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