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On June 22 2010 03:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2010 23:36 Hesmyrr wrote:~OpZ~Nice to see you claim pro-town. I had anticipated for someone trying to claim anti-town :p Also, how does Mafia benefit from knowing who the hidden horocrux is? Well, according to the flavour, Harry Potter the last horocrux did need to be killed by no one other than Voldemort so the person who is horocrux may also need to be killed by Death Eaters in this setup- which is another vast strike against the mass roleclaiming; I doubt Bill Murray would introduce such harsh win condition though. I will hold off nominating someone until I am pretty certain of one town read. Experience is not bad when we are picking someone to be protected, but most importantly I rather have player I have most confidence in being town-aligned. There seem to be enough good players in this roster anyhow. *yawn* Weak attack. How does mafia benefit by knowing who it is? They don't kill him on accident. Everyone claiming, they might know who he is then. Like I said, I just want more discussion before claiming, I'm not against claiming as I have nothing to hide. Oh, and...Any other attempts? (FoS @ Hesmyrr) [FoS= Finger of Suspicion]
Okay, maybe I was not as much concise as I would have liked. My post was writing down of my impressions as I read along the people's first post, and in fact I am support your argument against role claiming (what you are saying is basically what I am saying). I was curious how you got the impression I was attacking you and your argument, because this post just cries casual glancing over.
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Radfield
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On June 22 2010 03:22 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:I'll go ahead and nominate amber[light] for mayor since he seems to be talking sense at this point. I'd suggest not to nominate radfield because frankly he played pretty badly and was inactive for long stretches last game. Amber, why don't you post a plan you'd carry out as mayor, including first lynch? 
Honestly I don't think I played particularly badly, I just got a little overzealous with my accusations and actions. I really don't think people looked very objectively at how I was playing. Also, I think the fact that I was shouting "AFJ is mafia" all game colours your perception a bit  . However, the fact of the matter is I don't have the time right now to super hunt for mafia like I did in those first few games, but I do have enough time to be active in the thread. A big difference that I didn't account for last game.
Also, Amber[light] seems like a good candidate. However, in the interest of having more hats in the ring, I'll nominate hesmyrr. He's been quite active in each game I've played with him(maybe only 1 though?). The key is to have someone who's very very active as mayor. They need to be willing to put effort into this game, take the lead, and hunt for mafia. That's simply not me this game, and won't be for a few months. But that way if we elect a mafia we have a much better chance of discovering it. So know this mayor elects, if you are not super active after being elected, you will begin to climb the scum list. Same goes for the pardoner. I think this makes sense.
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On June 22 2010 03:55 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 03:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 21 2010 23:36 Hesmyrr wrote:~OpZ~Nice to see you claim pro-town. I had anticipated for someone trying to claim anti-town :p Also, how does Mafia benefit from knowing who the hidden horocrux is? Well, according to the flavour, Harry Potter the last horocrux did need to be killed by no one other than Voldemort so the person who is horocrux may also need to be killed by Death Eaters in this setup- which is another vast strike against the mass roleclaiming; I doubt Bill Murray would introduce such harsh win condition though. I will hold off nominating someone until I am pretty certain of one town read. Experience is not bad when we are picking someone to be protected, but most importantly I rather have player I have most confidence in being town-aligned. There seem to be enough good players in this roster anyhow. *yawn* Weak attack. How does mafia benefit by knowing who it is? They don't kill him on accident. Everyone claiming, they might know who he is then. Like I said, I just want more discussion before claiming, I'm not against claiming as I have nothing to hide. Oh, and...Any other attempts? (FoS @ Hesmyrr) [FoS= Finger of Suspicion] Okay, maybe I was not as much concise as I would have liked. My post was writing down of my impressions as I read along the people's first post, and in fact I am support your argument against role claiming (what you are saying is basically what I am saying). I was curious how you got the impression I was attacking you and your argument, because this post just cries casual glancing over.
Because I'm terribly defensive!?
-_-
At any rate, you asked me how the benefit, and I was in a list of three people with Radfield....And I don't have a good feeling about Radfield this game yet...just a hunch so far...
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On June 22 2010 04:39 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 03:55 Hesmyrr wrote:On June 22 2010 03:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 21 2010 23:36 Hesmyrr wrote:~OpZ~Nice to see you claim pro-town. I had anticipated for someone trying to claim anti-town :p Also, how does Mafia benefit from knowing who the hidden horocrux is? Well, according to the flavour, Harry Potter the last horocrux did need to be killed by no one other than Voldemort so the person who is horocrux may also need to be killed by Death Eaters in this setup- which is another vast strike against the mass roleclaiming; I doubt Bill Murray would introduce such harsh win condition though. I will hold off nominating someone until I am pretty certain of one town read. Experience is not bad when we are picking someone to be protected, but most importantly I rather have player I have most confidence in being town-aligned. There seem to be enough good players in this roster anyhow. *yawn* Weak attack. How does mafia benefit by knowing who it is? They don't kill him on accident. Everyone claiming, they might know who he is then. Like I said, I just want more discussion before claiming, I'm not against claiming as I have nothing to hide. Oh, and...Any other attempts? (FoS @ Hesmyrr) [FoS= Finger of Suspicion] Okay, maybe I was not as much concise as I would have liked. My post was writing down of my impressions as I read along the people's first post, and in fact I am support your argument against role claiming (what you are saying is basically what I am saying). I was curious how you got the impression I was attacking you and your argument, because this post just cries casual glancing over. Because I'm terribly defensive!? -_- At any rate, you asked me how the benefit, and I was in a list of three people with Radfield....And I don't have a good feeling about Radfield this game yet...just a hunch so far...
To be quite fair with concerning Radfield last game...that was just about the first time in 3 or 4 games he wasn't outright killed in the first night. Him being a little bit overzealous in such a circumstance while not necessarily justified is at least understandable. That being said I have no idea whether he is town or not at this point because frankly it's just that early.
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On June 22 2010 02:56 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 01:08 JeeJee wrote:On June 22 2010 00:51 Roffles wrote:On June 21 2010 21:50 Amber[LighT] wrote:On June 21 2010 20:13 Radfield wrote:On June 21 2010 19:48 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Also mayoral candidates should consider a working list of people they think they should lynch, but don't post who you would lynch immediately. The best system is to get a majority on who the town would like to lynch, since Day 1 lynches are typically pretty random we should just make sure it's a choice the whole town is behind. The question always seems to be, lynch someone who is inactive, or someone who is mildly scummy. Given the likelihood that we have a fair number of townies with some sort of special power, lynching an active player doesn't seem like a great idea. However, we have two days until we(the mayor) need to make a decision, and hopefully we'll have a good amount of discussion on all topics by the end, so it should be easy to pick out the contributors from the non-contributors. By no means am I saying that we should lynch an active townie, but we should more-or-less alleviate the blame of the day 1 lynch from the mayor to the town as a whole. This gives us a "suspect list" to work with rather than turning on the elected official, which happens more often than not. I'm a little skeptical as to how these spells work or how they are allocated, but we should be careful about protecting players. I think we also may have a lot of people who can role block (expelliarmus). Pretty much we should decide how to allocate spell-casting so we don't have people overlapping and we make the best role blocks possible. We don't know if the red spells are mafia-only spells or if they can be used by blue players (ie a vigilante role using avada kedavra) Also excuse my spelling I am not a Harry Potter fanatic so I won't reference the OP just to spell-check... I'd presume that the red spells are Mafia type spells, as typically AKs and Imperius Curses are used to eliminate people in the HP books, and holds the same purpose in Mafia. What I'm more curious about are the spells and how they work, like whether or not they work like in the books. For example, based on the description, the Medic would have Episky, which is the healing/protection spell for the night in typical Mafia, but whether or not that would work against lets say an AK (Killing Spell) is beyond me. I'm skeptical as to how these spells work, what can counter/not counter and what roles get what spells, so a lot of this is still up in the air. yeah i don't think we're supposed to know but on the offchance we are -- Bill, how close is this to the actual book? i.e. are the unforgivable curses unblockable? or we can't assume that, and you balanced it around whatever's balanced rather than what's by the book AK is uncounterable. Some things are close to the book, others are not. I have no idea if it's balanced.
nightkill vs AK. i assume there's a difference, and AK was intended to be a one-off ability as like a daykill or an additional nightkill. not as a primary nightkill, is this true?
otherwise episky is kinda useless..
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voting for minister of magic ends in 24 hours
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So we've got 24 hours till election ends and so far we have 2 nominees for the mayor based on our sponsoring system. I've played with YellowInk in the last game, and for the most part I'd say he has a level head and a good gamesense. The other nominee, AmberLight, seems to be on the ball as well. As was noted before, Death Eaters will most likely try and push a nominee up for themselves, so we should also take not of who nominated these people.
AcrossFiveJulys (AFJ) nominated Amber, did so after AL posted some insight about mass roleclaiming.
johnnyspazz nominated YellowInk after seeing YI try to break the game.
If we do indeed find one of our nominees or infact the elected official to be scum, we now have a highly likely scenario of connecting the DE that nominated them. Any other nominations as of now? We've still got a day to decide and there are people yet to be heard from. Thoughts, opinions?
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
People who have yet to post:
YellowInk
zeks
DCLXVI
Abenson
People who have posted, but no substance:
Jugan
laxercanon
Stormtemplar
Ludwig
We need some people making cases for why they should be mayor, and we need to discuss them. Hesmyrr, Amber[light], and yellowink have all been nominated. I'd love to hear your pitches guys if you're actually going to run. If anyone else has nominations then the sooner you put them forward the better.
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On June 22 2010 07:53 Thegilaboy wrote:
So we've got 24 hours till election ends and so far we have 2 nominees for the mayor based on our sponsoring system. I've played with YellowInk in the last game, and for the most part I'd say he has a level head and a good gamesense. The other nominee, AmberLight, seems to be on the ball as well. As was noted before, Death Eaters will most likely try and push a nominee up for themselves, so we should also take not of who nominated these people.
AcrossFiveJulys (AFJ) nominated Amber, did so after AL posted some insight about mass roleclaiming.
johnnyspazz nominated YellowInk after seeing YI try to break the game.
If we do indeed find one of our nominees or infact the elected official to be scum, we now have a highly likely scenario of connecting the DE that nominated them. Any other nominations as of now? We've still got a day to decide and there are people yet to be heard from. Thoughts, opinions?
who would you nominate
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* Post irrelevant to the game itself or one-liners unrelated to discussion
^ Post that contributes to discussion or propose new idea.
Jugan*
stormtemplar**
Jayme^
acrossfivejulys (nominated amber[light])^^
"I'll go ahead and nominate amber[light] for mayor since he seems to be talking sense at this point. I'd suggest not to nominate radfield because frankly he played pretty badly and was inactive for long stretches last game.
Amber, why don't you post a plan you'd carry out as mayor, including first lynch?"
johnnyspazz (nominated YellowInk)^^^
"YellowInk, I nominate you since you were theorycrafting ways to break the game, I bet you have a great idea that helps the town."
lakrismamma*^
Radfield (nominated Hesmyrr)^^*^^^
"Also, Amber[light] seems like a good candidate. However, in the interest of having more hats in the ring, I'll nominate hesmyrr. He's been quite active in each game I've played with him(maybe only 1 though?). The key is to have someone who's very very active as mayor. They need to be willing to put effort into this game, take the lead, and hunt for mafia. That's simply not me this game, and won't be for a few months. But that way if we elect a mafia we have a much better chance of discovering it. So know this mayor elects, if you are not super active after being elected, you will begin to climb the scum list. Same goes for the pardoner. I think this makes sense."
LuDwig-*
JeeJee^^
Hesmyrr^*^
YellowInk
~OpZ~^^^
zeks
Roffles^^^
DCLXVI
ElyAs*
Thegilaboy^^
LaXerCannon**
Amber[LighT]^^^***
Abenson
I would like to see bolded people speak up about mayoral candidate soon, seeing we only have 24 hours and all. Though it is hypocritical to discuss inactivity so early into the game, I figured it won't hurt to prod them a little.
Also I'm not sure I can maintain this level of activity for future days yet, so I would like to turn Radfield's mayoral proposal down. In interest of proposing more candidates, I would like to nominate Roffles. He jumped straight into discussing spell mechanics, including whether AK was block able or not, which I think is type of discussion mafia would shy away from a little. I do not know scum hunting abilities of most players however, so I would appreciate if more people voiced who they support.
Btw, johnnyspazz, that could somewhat be interpreted as buddying, nor I wonder the wiseness of nominating currently afk player just because of his willingness to break the setup, especially when 25-player setup and 20-player setup is fundamentally different.
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On June 22 2010 08:00 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 07:53 Thegilaboy wrote:
So we've got 24 hours till election ends and so far we have 2 nominees for the mayor based on our sponsoring system. I've played with YellowInk in the last game, and for the most part I'd say he has a level head and a good gamesense. The other nominee, AmberLight, seems to be on the ball as well. As was noted before, Death Eaters will most likely try and push a nominee up for themselves, so we should also take not of who nominated these people.
AcrossFiveJulys (AFJ) nominated Amber, did so after AL posted some insight about mass roleclaiming.
johnnyspazz nominated YellowInk after seeing YI try to break the game.
If we do indeed find one of our nominees or infact the elected official to be scum, we now have a highly likely scenario of connecting the DE that nominated them. Any other nominations as of now? We've still got a day to decide and there are people yet to be heard from. Thoughts, opinions? who would you nominate
That's a good question. I think Amber has a pretty good grasp on things. YI was in the last game, and played an aggressive townie style that had me fooled, so I just don't have a good enough read on him to vote for him. So as of now I like AL's posting the most, with Radfield in a close second.
And oh yeah, forgot to list Hesmyrr in the nominees, sorry! He was nominated by Radfield by the way, amending my prior list.
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Urgh, forgot the bolding. Radfield already seem to have done a good job when I was typing anyway. Although I agree having people take definite stance on their choice of mayor candidate is beneficial for the town, I fail to see the wiseness of asking the people to do so before the candidates themselves have failed to propose firm platform yet. Supporting certain candidate currently can only end up being rife with uncertain meta-gaming and personal trifles.
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I don't see the new mayor/pardoners making the same mistake as the last game (being flamewheel's XXVI game) and being way too pro town. Mafia (sorry don't like typing Death Eaters) needs to be aggressive early on or they'll get fucked eventually. Thus I'm more inclined to pick a conservative posting townie like Radfield or Amber.
I haven't read up on many of the older mafia games besides XXVI and XXVII...so I really have limited knowledge of everyones play style besides the recent game I played in XXVI. The only thing I notice is Ludwig being the only player from XXVI/XXVII that was mafia.
side note: the Traitor screams Lucius Malfoy to me.
Wasn't there a list of all the characters in the game? Did we remove that now?
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On June 21 2010 21:50 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2010 20:13 Radfield wrote:On June 21 2010 19:48 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Also mayoral candidates should consider a working list of people they think they should lynch, but don't post who you would lynch immediately. The best system is to get a majority on who the town would like to lynch, since Day 1 lynches are typically pretty random we should just make sure it's a choice the whole town is behind. The question always seems to be, lynch someone who is inactive, or someone who is mildly scummy. Given the likelihood that we have a fair number of townies with some sort of special power, lynching an active player doesn't seem like a great idea. However, we have two days until we(the mayor) need to make a decision, and hopefully we'll have a good amount of discussion on all topics by the end, so it should be easy to pick out the contributors from the non-contributors. By no means am I saying that we should lynch an active townie, but we should more-or-less alleviate the blame of the day 1 lynch from the mayor to the town as a whole. This gives us a "suspect list" to work with rather than turning on the elected official, which happens more often than not. I'm a little skeptical as to how these spells work or how they are allocated, but we should be careful about protecting players. I think we also may have a lot of people who can role block (expelliarmus). Pretty much we should decide how to allocate spell-casting so we don't have people overlapping and we make the best role blocks possible. We don't know if the red spells are mafia-only spells or if they can be used by blue players (ie a vigilante role using avada kedavra) Also excuse my spelling I am not a Harry Potter fanatic so I won't reference the OP just to spell-check...
Could you provide an outline of a plan to allocate spells to minimize overlapping? I am rather interested in what methods we could use.
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On June 22 2010 01:31 LaXerCannon wrote:I remember you too I've only played one game since that game.
=)
I think that the spells are outside the KP. Probably just one mfia with AK maybe two otherwise it would be too imbalanced. So probably 2 KP a night but maybe its spread out over two days or can only be used once. I guess we will see when the night falls..
I think that the red spells are for mafia and the blue for town . It would maybe be a good idea to sort out what spells the different death eaters in the books can use to maybe find out what we are up against.
For Minister of magic I think all the three nominees are good so far but would like to see more plans before I cast my vote.
On June 22 2010 03:09 Bill Murray wrote:
say someone is a nurse
the medic dies
they become medic
they send in protect: [name]
i say no, you need to episky, make it cuter
then they send in episky: name
all is well
edit: you could also substitute the word protego and self protect!
This only confused me can someone explain?
By the way our big Swedish holiday is coming up this weekend. Midsummer eve on Friday and I'm going out to a friends cabin and staying until Sunday. We are going to be drinking and dancing around the big penis-pole =)So Im not going to be active those days.
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I'm trying to think of the best possible way for us to win as a town..
Right now there are a lot of spells that can be used, and a bunch of spells mixed with roles that can really mess everything up. If I'm reading the rules right the mayor/pardoner positions are actually not as safe as one would hope. If the bus driver is in fact a DE role then that could cause trouble for us (If I am elected I could be swapped with another player and the DE could target the other player, thus killing me without going through any bodyguards.)
Possibility No. 1:
With that said it might not be worth it to have the DT's potentially waste a check on someone who's able to be killed so easily....Now we don't know how many DT's we have in this game... but maybe they should focus on checking out the nominators first. Then we have role blockers... I'm not entirely sure what we should do with these guys. It might be smart (depending on how many we have) to have them block inactive players first and each day rotate who gets role blocked.
Possibility No. 2:
I'm also half-considering the role claiming idea just so we can see what spells we have at our disposal. This would make the bus drivers role pretty weak if we know what our firepower is like, and perhaps we can get aggressive fast. We would need to rally all of the medics and the roleblockers to create a test field to see who can do what. In a game of 20 people there are 4 guaranteed death eaters... and if we all role claim they may attempt to spread out their roles. This is going to require a VERY active town to pull off, and we need to be unified. Also if you're a stump maybe the best thing to do is to role claim AFTER the election is over. This will then assist in organizing lists of townies and we can immediately eliminate you from our searches (please don't let there be more than one actual stump).
I'm really just throwing possible ideas out. I've been sitting here for about 20 minutes trying to think of the best possible strategy, and really what's going on here is an all-out spell brawl. It may be best to unify our efforts so we don't end up piling our spells, and keeping the information out in the open in a game without PM's might be the best idea.
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Subversion has been added to the game. The deadline remains the same.
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On June 22 2010 08:56 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I'm trying to think of the best possible way for us to win as a town..
Right now there are a lot of spells that can be used, and a bunch of spells mixed with roles that can really mess everything up. If I'm reading the rules right the mayor/pardoner positions are actually not as safe as one would hope. If the bus driver is in fact a DE role then that could cause trouble for us (If I am elected I could be swapped with another player and the DE could target the other player, thus killing me without going through any bodyguards.)
Possibility No. 1:
With that said it might not be worth it to have the DT's potentially waste a check on someone who's able to be killed so easily....Now we don't know how many DT's we have in this game... but maybe they should focus on checking out the nominators first. Then we have role blockers... I'm not entirely sure what we should do with these guys. It might be smart (depending on how many we have) to have them block inactive players first and each day rotate who gets role blocked.
Possibility No. 2:
I'm also half-considering the role claiming idea just so we can see what spells we have at our disposal. This would make the bus drivers role pretty weak if we know what our firepower is like, and perhaps we can get aggressive fast. We would need to rally all of the medics and the roleblockers to create a test field to see who can do what. In a game of 20 people there are 4 guaranteed death eaters... and if we all role claim they may attempt to spread out their roles. This is going to require a VERY active town to pull off, and we need to be unified. Also if you're a stump maybe the best thing to do is to role claim AFTER the election is over. This will then assist in organizing lists of townies and we can immediately eliminate you from our searches (please don't let there be more than one actual stump).
I'm really just throwing possible ideas out. I've been sitting here for about 20 minutes trying to think of the best possible strategy, and really what's going on here is an all-out spell brawl. It may be best to unify our efforts so we don't end up piling our spells, and keeping the information out in the open in a game without PM's might be the best idea.
I'm pretty sure that possibility with the bus driver won't happen as it would break the game pretty hard o_o.
I don't think your possibility No. 2 is practical because as you said, we need an active town.
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Hi guys. I don't have the experience to know who the other players are and how they play, will try and look over previous games to get an idea.
In terms then of voting for Minister, I'm going to base my vote on arguments made here, rather than any prior experience (which is nonexistent).
For what its worth, possibility no. 2 posted above seems like a great idea in theory, but may be far too risky in practice.
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