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On June 22 2010 11:07 Thegilaboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 11:04 Subversion wrote:
Would it be of use though to roleclaim with names if we didn't know the associated powers though? Might cause the Mafia to slip us as they would have to make up different identities that are good people in Harry Potter. Any inconsistencies or doubles would point towards suspicion.
Here's the problem I have with the mass roleclaiming. The HP universe is a fairly large one. This added to the fact that the list name at the beginning has been removed makes the whole "making some name up" a great deal easier than it was before.
There were a few pro dumbledore characters that were major but weren't necessarily mentioned in that list and unless someone copy and pasted the exact list...and how we would know this list is accurate or not...we're kind of in a bit of a bind in that regard.
It might work though because the blue roles in this game seem a bit flimsy if what I've read so far is correct. I just don't think the mass claim is as beneficial as it was before that list was taken down.
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i didnt use any specific list
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i even almost left out severus on accident
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also this talk of nameclaiming has gone too far from harry potter
i would like to remind you all of something
1. I am the mod. My word is law. I reserve the right to change any rules for game-breaking
Dying? Not at all. Quicker and easier than falling asleep.
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Alright, a lot of different ideas are floating around here...That have already been brought up before.
Now lets see...Name claiming may be useful...But I said that it might give them a clue to who the other horcrux is.
I like the idea of role blocking the inactives, yellowink should definitely be one of them in my opinion. YellowInk being inactive and even an idea for candidacy is kind of upsetting. I'd nominate Radfield, but Radfield said he wont be as active.
If Hes isn't nominated, consider this his nomination. I don't really give two craps about the mayor, but I most certainly hope he is active. People seem to listen to them.
And Abenson, post more. I've seen content filled posts from you.
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MOD request: Please edit the rules to reflect actual gameplay. Upon reviewing the thread I have noticed scattered rule changes that do not appear reflected in the original post. As the thread gets larger, I will of course do my best to follow all of the rules you have set out, but we will all be using the original post as our core reference.
Re my inactivity: I thought we were on a Monday start due to requests to avoid Father's day, so I did not check in here. No worries, I will be plenty active in this game, but now I have a tarnished opening record. =\
Re my nomination for MoM: I am fine with running for minister here. I don't think that I have any special qualifications beyond the other two candidates posed except, well, that I know I am town. But supposedly so do they, so yeah. If people feel that I would be a valuable choice in the election, I would gladly take the role to at least keep it out of death eater or even independant hands. My spellset would mesh reasonably well with an elected role, but regardless of election will need to remain concealed to keep its optimal efficiency.
Re roleclaiming: Bill Murray has stated that we cannot mass roleclaim. We may not name claim. + Show Spoiler +On June 15 2010 05:09 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 15 2010 04:11 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +
YellowInk wrote:
You stated at the start that the list of roles was "neither limited by nor restricted to" the list given, though you put up precisely 20 town roles. Will you be giving the mafia a list of "safe" (non-contested) roles that they can claim? For balance sake will the actual list of town roles be sufficiently branched off from the posted list that roleclaiming outside the given list does not draw undue suspicion?
Bill Murray wrote:
1) I mean to say that if we get 20 people as opposed to 25 I will make it 16 vs 4
anything else?
My mafia experience is limited, but every game with a complete specific character list I have seen played (I've played in two) was a devastating victory for town. At some point in the game there is mass role claiming. Assuming all townies are truthful and mafia lying, that immediately brings the number of suspicious people down to #mafia x2. I'm not saying it's impossible to have a game like this balanced, but it takes a lot away from the game when, for instance here, there's only 10 people worth scouring for mafia and you effectively have 15 confirmed townies. To offset this, when there are characters in a given game, one common solution is to give the mafia a 'safe list' of what they can role claim without worry of being contested. There's still the problem here where say a player claims Ron Weasly and goes uncontested, they are nearly a confirmed townie because that role was almost certainly included in the game design. A crafty mod could leave one or two of these out just for the mafia's benefit though. To follow through on this with what you've already posted as well as preserve some integrity of mafia role claims, you could just list 25 town aligned roles and have 5 that just don't get assigned to town (and given to mafia as their safe list). I'm sure there are other ways to balance this as well. I just see complete uncontested character lists given at the start of game as a huge town advantage. Just my thoughts on the matter. ^ YellowInkShow nested quote +1. I am the mod. My word is law. I reserve the right to change any rules for game-breaking I will not be accepting name claims to occur in this game unless I am sure it will be balanced or your role PM specifically states otherwise. You may spell claim, or claim whatever nonsense you want, but try not to break the game. "Not Slytherin,eh?" said the small voice. "Are you sure? You could be great, you know, it's all here in your head, and Slytherin will help you on the way to greatness, no doubt about that--- no?
Re oddities in electoral positions: Note that the Minster of Magic does not have 3 votes. They get a weak form of bodyguard protection and choose the day 1 lynch. Note that the Governor does not get bodyguard protection and an indeterminate number of chances to pardon. This role seems nearly useless for town and incredibly powerful in death eater hands. I would wonder if it has some usefulness to 3rd parties.
Policy decision: I think it may be a good policy to straight up say right now that if the Governor ever uses their power, we must hang the Governor the next day. We have masons, but I think that if we have a mason Governor it would just look too suspicious for them to save a mason anyhow. I would rather keep a death eater off gaining more than one day from this power guaranteed than for a potential town mason Governor to use this (since the town mason Governor has no way to confirm that the target is a mason anyway by rules).
I have skimmed the thread to pick up the important bits but definitely not carefully enough to pick up on behavior, so I'll have to spend some more time on this. Still, it's just day 1, reads aren't the best. Also, prospective MoMs, if you havn't already, please indicate your interest for day 1 lynch and thoughts on how to organize.
Note to MOD: From here on all is fair game. My posts prior to the start of the game were to attempt to 'unbreak' the game before it started. Since it was chosen to end the discussion, we're now going to work with what we've got and attempt to win.
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Wait, so noone is allowed to roleclaim at all? Surely someone like the detective would have to roleclaim? Or is it just mass roleclaim that's not allowed?
Sorry if these are n00b questions, help me out here 
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On June 22 2010 13:42 YellowInk wrote:Re roleclaiming: Bill Murray has stated that we cannot mass roleclaim. We may not name claim. + Show Spoiler +On June 15 2010 05:09 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 15 2010 04:11 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +
YellowInk wrote:
You stated at the start that the list of roles was "neither limited by nor restricted to" the list given, though you put up precisely 20 town roles. Will you be giving the mafia a list of "safe" (non-contested) roles that they can claim? For balance sake will the actual list of town roles be sufficiently branched off from the posted list that roleclaiming outside the given list does not draw undue suspicion?
Bill Murray wrote:
1) I mean to say that if we get 20 people as opposed to 25 I will make it 16 vs 4
anything else?
My mafia experience is limited, but every game with a complete specific character list I have seen played (I've played in two) was a devastating victory for town. At some point in the game there is mass role claiming. Assuming all townies are truthful and mafia lying, that immediately brings the number of suspicious people down to #mafia x2. I'm not saying it's impossible to have a game like this balanced, but it takes a lot away from the game when, for instance here, there's only 10 people worth scouring for mafia and you effectively have 15 confirmed townies. To offset this, when there are characters in a given game, one common solution is to give the mafia a 'safe list' of what they can role claim without worry of being contested. There's still the problem here where say a player claims Ron Weasly and goes uncontested, they are nearly a confirmed townie because that role was almost certainly included in the game design. A crafty mod could leave one or two of these out just for the mafia's benefit though. To follow through on this with what you've already posted as well as preserve some integrity of mafia role claims, you could just list 25 town aligned roles and have 5 that just don't get assigned to town (and given to mafia as their safe list). I'm sure there are other ways to balance this as well. I just see complete uncontested character lists given at the start of game as a huge town advantage. Just my thoughts on the matter. ^ YellowInkShow nested quote +1. I am the mod. My word is law. I reserve the right to change any rules for game-breaking I will not be accepting name claims to occur in this game unless I am sure it will be balanced or your role PM specifically states otherwise. You may spell claim, or claim whatever nonsense you want, but try not to break the game. "Not Slytherin,eh?" said the small voice. "Are you sure? You could be great, you know, it's all here in your head, and Slytherin will help you on the way to greatness, no doubt about that--- no?
Actually I believe the rule change says that we can roleclaim, with the exception of masons
On June 21 2010 07:44 Bill Murray wrote:
To clear up some things:
i'll make a thread for mayoral voting
you may nameclaim or roleclaim just don't claim masons or I will modkill you
keep it clean, please
Whether or not it is a good idea remains in the air, but I do believe that this more recent post from BM states that we can roleclaim.
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Alright, well if this rule was re-reversed, there's still at least one update to the OP that needs to be made (he said anyone can run for MoM). I just want to be sure I can go to the original post and read a correct set of rules.
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i dont mind roleclaims, but i wont let what happened in caller's game occur
i also would like to state that the minister of magic will in fact receive multiple votes
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Voting thread is for Minister right now, right?
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On June 22 2010 11:44 johnnyspazz wrote:
It's true that bodyguards are a little less useful thanks to Bus Drivers, but I remember that mafia aligned Drivers can't exactly communicated with the mafia team. I think your hypothetical situation will never happen in this setup if the Driver can't communicate with other mafia. I think mayor/pardoner is a lot safer than you think. We also have to remember we have both Bodyguards and Aurors. I don't think mafia would ever risk attacking mayor/pardoner since it's 50/50 if they get protected and mafia's identity is revealed.
Do you think it's better to have blues or greens as elected officials? I would prefer power roles elected.
Where did you read that the busdriver cant comunicate with mafia? I could only find
"The bus driver can be mafia, town, or 3rd party."
I think you are right about the Minister is to well protected to attack though.
Also since it is getting closer to election and someones gotta be first im going to vote for Amber[LighT] he has the clearest (only?) plan so far and seems like a good leader.
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On June 22 2010 17:26 lakrismamma wrote:
Where did you read that the busdriver cant comunicate with mafia? I could only find
"The bus driver can be mafia, town, or 3rd party."
I think you are right about the Minister is to well protected to attack though.
Also since it is getting closer to election and someones gotta be first im going to vote for Amber[LighT] he has the clearest (only?) plan so far and seems like a good leader.
PM's aren't allowed unless your role says you can. I'm hoping that Bus Driver's can't PM. Even if they could, they aren't given the list of who is mafia so they have to find one. This is a very difficult task which I doubt if there is a mafia bus driver this game, he or she will succeed.
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Oki that seems reasonable unless they are mafia then I guess they have the list. But maybe that would break the game.
To get back to inactives
People who havent posted yet:
Abenson
People who have posted, but vey little:
Jugan
Stormtemplar
ElyAs
DCLXVI
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You forgot me  i ahve posted little too but i have really some problems understanding how this game will works. I suppose that having so many roles make roleclaiming too difficult too manage. How can we understand if somebody is lying? :|
However the post voting thread now is for mayor.
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On June 22 2010 11:44 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 08:56 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Right now there are a lot of spells that can be used, and a bunch of spells mixed with roles that can really mess everything up. If I'm reading the rules right the mayor/pardoner positions are actually not as safe as one would hope. If the bus driver is in fact a DE role then that could cause trouble for us (If I am elected I could be swapped with another player and the DE could target the other player, thus killing me without going through any bodyguards.)
It's true that bodyguards are a little less useful thanks to Bus Drivers, but I remember that mafia aligned Drivers can't exactly communicated with the mafia team. I think your hypothetical situation will never happen in this setup if the Driver can't communicate with other mafia. I think mayor/pardoner is a lot safer than you think. We also have to remember we have both Bodyguards and Aurors. I don't think mafia would ever risk attacking mayor/pardoner since it's 50/50 if they get protected and mafia's identity is revealed. Do you think it's better to have blues or greens as elected officials? I would prefer power roles elected.
I think it's better to have certain blues be elected for the two positions. You guys just need to trust that the two people running are blue. I'm completely on-board for throwing myself and Radfield on for MoM and Pardoner, respectively.
I'm also going to switch my plan and suggest that at least ONE detective should check the MoM... this plan will work rather well if I'm elected. From there we will move to the pardoner, then the nominators. While we figure this out the role-blockers must make a decision on who to block for the night. I would suggest targeting players that are "wishy washy" or players that haven't done a lot to help this election process.
I'm going to officially say this:
Vote for Radfield and myself. The list should be split so we can then split each voter up into two classifications. All you need to do is place a vote. People who place no vote are for BM to decide
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Even if radfield is going to be inactive I can communicate with him regularly. If and when we need to pardon we will use him. I'm going out on a limb here to stress that I will probably be the best person for the position. I am also asking the detective to IMMEDIATELY check me.
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One more thing: For now let's steer away from name claiming. It will lead to confusion. Let's see how Day 1 and Night 1 pan out, and use the name claim strategy as a backup strategy.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 22 2010 14:34 Bill Murray wrote:
i dont mind roleclaims, but i wont let what happened in caller's game occur
i also would like to state that the minister of magic will in fact receive multiple votes
This certainly changes things. MoM is a much juicier position for mafia now, as they can effect the voting considerably. This makes it much more worth the risk to go after MoM as mafia. YellowInk seems like a smart player, and more importantly an active one, so he has my tentative vote. If you are elected YI, who will you lynch?
As far as the pardoner goes, it really doesn't make sense for them to ever use their power unless they were mafia. Going against the town majority like that will almost guarantee yourself to be lynched. I'm not sure I've ever actually seen the pardoner skill used.
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On June 22 2010 21:19 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 14:34 Bill Murray wrote:
i dont mind roleclaims, but i wont let what happened in caller's game occur
i also would like to state that the minister of magic will in fact receive multiple votes This certainly changes things. MoM is a much juicier position for mafia now, as they can effect the voting considerably. This makes it much more worth the risk to go after MoM as mafia. YellowInk seems like a smart player, and more importantly an active one, so he has my tentative vote. If you are elected YI, who will you lynch? As far as the pardoner goes, it really doesn't make sense for them to ever use their power unless they were mafia. Going against the town majority like that will almost guarantee yourself to be lynched. I'm not sure I've ever actually seen the pardoner skill used.
In every game I've seen the pardoner ability has been used by a mafioso only.. and they only did it because it was too late to stop the mafia or they were just playing stupid.
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